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Aleister Crowley's 777- Prime Numbers and Associations · The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1: You see somethings are going to happen.
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Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen?
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Speaker 1: I think what.
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Speaker 3: You holcome, Welcome everybody. I am joined by my co
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Speaker 3: host Nick Nick. Tell them what you're working on?
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Speaker 2: What's up? Okay? Oh what was I working on? Oh? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm finishing up that Sacred Sacred Architecture series, finishing it up.
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Speaker 2: I'm editing part two now and uh, actually, UH might
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Speaker 2: before I cover the uh, the Catholic stuff, just because
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Speaker 2: I'm getting tired of like the geometry and the sacred
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Speaker 2: buildings covered a lot of buildings might cover up. Uh.
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Speaker 2: Valentini's it's gnostic, so Mike over him. I don't think
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Speaker 2: too many people know about him, so I might trust
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Speaker 2: that guy in there. I have a script for him
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Speaker 2: that I made up. So that's about all I'm working on.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of editing on the Sacred Geometry ship
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Speaker 2: that they made, you know, for the buildings and all
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Speaker 2: these places, got it, got it?
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Speaker 3: So with Valentinis, is this like the Valentinian sort of
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Speaker 3: gnosticism or is that guy?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I know they got Valentine's Day and all
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Speaker 3: that stuff, but I know that's not based around him.
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Speaker 2: No, well not that I didn't. Actually, I haven't come
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Speaker 2: across that. I didn't even I didn't even think of
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Speaker 2: thinking that's interesting. I didn't even put two and two
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Speaker 2: together to even wonder if it's the same day.
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Speaker 3: Right, Well, you know, they very clearly ever make their
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Speaker 3: heretics into uh, you know, saints or whatever, so I
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Speaker 3: doubt it's the same dude. All right, So where we
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Speaker 3: left off last time, I think we were on the
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Speaker 3: meaning of the primes right after we finished seven seven seven.
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Speaker 3: So we'll get into that and do a little bit
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Speaker 3: of these tables. Of course, botances started off here. So
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Speaker 3: the general eleven the general number of magic or energy
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Speaker 3: tending to change. You know, it's that ten plus one.
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Speaker 3: So thirteen the scale of the highest feminine unity easily
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Speaker 3: transformed into secondary masculine ideas by any male competent, or
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Speaker 3: the unity resulting from love.
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Speaker 1: So that's interesting.
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Speaker 3: You got the thirteen thirteen colonies all over the United States,
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Speaker 3: thirteen thirteen, thirteen thirteen. They're just throwing thirteen cent.
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Speaker 2: You they're all over the Yeah, right, that's really interesting.
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Speaker 1: Thirteen arrows, thirteen stars and all that stuff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, seventeen the masculine unity the trinity of a left,
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Speaker 3: VU and yod. It's funny because that is the big.
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Speaker 2: Q thing, right, So Q, what is it? A Dario
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Speaker 2: trill in Luigi Man chapter seventeen, Throw that shit a
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Speaker 2: lover the place.
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Speaker 3: Seventeen is very magical number. Nineteen the feminine glyph. Twenty
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Speaker 3: three the glyph of life, Nation Life. It's funny because
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Speaker 3: he got that twenty three movie with Jim Carrey, Jim Carre, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: and you know he's all in the uh geez a
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Speaker 3: blanket on the name, the one where he's playing the
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Speaker 3: Truman show, right, and so that sort of image of
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Speaker 3: the cave, you know, Plato's cave, that sort of idea.
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Speaker 2: Was it also in that movie called twenty three where
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Speaker 2: that number was coming up all the time exactly? Yep.
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Speaker 3: Twenty nine the magic force itself, the masculine current. I've
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Speaker 3: never used twenty nine in any spells. That's thirty one,
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Speaker 3: the highest feminine trinity, zero through the glyph of the circle.
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Speaker 3: Sure how that works. Thirty seven the unity itself in
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Speaker 3: its balance, trinitary in manifestation. Okay, forty one the Yoni
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Speaker 3: as a vampire force steridle. We've seen that pop up
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Speaker 3: again and again throughout seven seven seven is this forty
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Speaker 3: one yoni vampire.
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Speaker 2: Fucking bitch will suck the life right out of you.
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Speaker 1: You know it?
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Speaker 3: Forty three a number of orgasms, especially the male.
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Speaker 1: Interesting.
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Speaker 3: Forty seven the yoni as dynamic, prehensile, spasmodic spree. Did
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Speaker 3: travia trava young spirit of Trump trivia oisle, I.
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Speaker 2: Know it's that's Trump to the forty seven? Yeah, he
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Speaker 2: was making fun of retarded people and with spasm.
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Speaker 3: That's true, he did do that spasm.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Fifty three the Yoni as an instrument of pleasure.
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Speaker 2: There we go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to go for the fifty three year
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Speaker 1: olds there.
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Speaker 2: Wow, fuck I'm getting I'm getting up there. Fuck my life.
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Speaker 3: Boot The yoni calling for the lingam as oval menstruam
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Speaker 3: or alkali interesting, right, wanting to be fertilized. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 3: also you know, usually when.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, is that when you only go through,
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Speaker 2: you can't mentioned people right there? Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Sixty one the negative conceiving itself as a positive. There's
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Speaker 3: a lot of sixty ones out there.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Sixty seven the womb of the mother containing the twins.
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Speaker 3: Now it's funny all of these primes cannot be divided evenly,
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Speaker 3: and so you know, having the primes automatically implies the
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Speaker 3: masculine number, right, So they're all odd numbers. They're all
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Speaker 3: sort of imposing themselves on reality, right. It's sort of
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Speaker 3: like that unbalanceable right. Seventy one the number of Banah,
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Speaker 3: the image of nothingness and silence, which is a fulfillment
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Speaker 3: of the aspiration. Seventy three the feminine aspect of Chokma
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Speaker 3: in his phallic function.
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Speaker 2: Oh what the feminine aspect of Choka? It is? Well,
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Speaker 2: I think Chokma can be seen as the inner robe
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Speaker 2: of continence, and the Bana would be the outer robe.
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Speaker 2: And when the way they explain it, it's like, I
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Speaker 2: guess I could see how it would be like going
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Speaker 2: into the vagina instead of I don't.
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Speaker 3: Could watched the monument where it's got the yoding around
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Speaker 3: the outside and then you've got the pillar through the middle.
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Speaker 2: You know how. I kind of like try to look
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Speaker 2: at it like if you were to see the optic nerve,
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Speaker 2: it almost looks like a tube. And I sometimes wondered
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Speaker 2: if it's just like the light going back up it,
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Speaker 2: because you are going to try to explain, But that's
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Speaker 2: how I looked at it.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's the feminine aspect of the male. Is the
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Speaker 3: male concealed?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I started to think, is that, like
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Speaker 2: the energy within, like the body or even like the
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Speaker 2: nerves and stuff, is the is the male? And then
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Speaker 2: the shape or like whatever it's in, like you know,
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Speaker 2: fucking the shape that it's in is the female aspect
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Speaker 2: of it?
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Speaker 1: Interesting?
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Speaker 3: Uh, eighty three consecration, love in its highest form, energy, freedom, amrita, aspiration,
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Speaker 3: the root of the idea of romance plus religion. It's
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Speaker 3: funny this eighty three number is also a lot within What's.
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Speaker 2: That was that toy? Is that sixty through eighty three
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Speaker 2: to eighty three that when they like throw it out
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Speaker 2: or why you completely wrong? Is there like sixty eight
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Speaker 2: some shit? I don't know when you touch it out
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Speaker 2: when you touch it out in a restaurant.
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, No, eighty six, eighty six, But it's funny.
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Speaker 3: Eighty three pops up a lot with Christian nationalism. That's
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Speaker 3: really one of their Yeah, that's one of their their numbers.
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Speaker 3: H eighty nine a number of sin, restriction, the wrong
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Speaker 3: kind of silence, that of the black Brothers. So funny
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Speaker 3: how he keeps making these allusions to the Black Brotherhood
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Speaker 3: and the White Brotherhood and all the rest of that stuff,
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Speaker 3: but it never any more detail than that. You know,
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Speaker 3: it's just the Theosophist did that too.
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Speaker 2: You know. It does make that interesting if you go
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Speaker 2: look at his grade system, I see. It's another thing
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Speaker 2: that's even made me wonder a little bit more about
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Speaker 2: the Black Brothers. Is that I think in when do
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Speaker 2: you get up to Banah? It's like, I think, either
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Speaker 2: you stay there and become like part of the Black
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Speaker 2: Brotherhood or you go father. So like I even wonder
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Speaker 2: what that's about. It's like maybe, uh, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: you haven't gone the whole way yet either. It looks
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Speaker 2: like in his grade system. But it's very interesting how
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Speaker 2: he puts that in there.
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Speaker 3: Right, right, something about the nature of matter itself is
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Speaker 3: sort of governed by the Black Brotherhood, at.
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Speaker 1: Least in the Gnostic concept.
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Speaker 3: Yeah ninety seven, A number of just said as water
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Speaker 3: as father.
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Speaker 2: M hmm.
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Speaker 1: Interesting, And that's the.
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Speaker 2: Then we go into the book itself, I think.
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Speaker 3: Right, so this is what he keeps talking about. We're
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Speaker 3: talking about chuk Ma Bana, right, This is this is
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Speaker 3: where he's putting these numbers on the tree.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh yeah. So then when you start off zero,
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Speaker 2: uh fuck, it's gonna sound stupid, is zero, Catherine, No,
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Speaker 2: that's the yeah, yeah, zero's iron iroinslf iro sulfur. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: because there's nothing when you get to the first table
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Speaker 2: of correspondences, there's nothing for zero. So it was like,
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Speaker 2: oh shit, but yeah, if you want, I could start
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Speaker 2: it off. I can't read I can't read this Hebrew,
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Speaker 2: but I can at least put into like the English,
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Speaker 2: like what's falling online one for English, and then just
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Speaker 2: covering the separ So basically it starts off if orders
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Speaker 2: of the clip of off the English, and then the
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Speaker 2: heavens of Asaiah, and then it will go zero, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
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Speaker 2: you know, all the way down and eventually you will
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Speaker 2: cover the spheres and then you'll go into the paths
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Speaker 2: or something like that effect. So zero, there's nothing there
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Speaker 2: that would be probably like you know the before Cather.
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Speaker 2: Then you go down to one, and that is sphere
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Speaker 2: of the premium mobile. Then two would be sphere of
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Speaker 2: the zodiac or fixed stars, which that would be Choka,
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Speaker 2: which makes sense if you're to look at the hermetic
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Speaker 2: Tree of life that has a lot of labels on it,
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Speaker 2: it will say that the zodiac is there. Then three
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Speaker 2: which would be Bana that is Saturn. Four, sphere of
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Speaker 2: Jupiter that'd be Chokoma. Five, sphere of Mars that would
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Speaker 2: be Gabura. Six, the sphere of soul the tiferet. Seven,
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Speaker 2: the sphere of Venus that would be netsuc, eight, the
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Speaker 2: sphere of mercury that would be the code and then
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Speaker 2: nine sphere of Luna that would be yesode and then
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Speaker 2: sphere of the elements for number ten and that would
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Speaker 2: be malcouth. Then eleven would be associated with air. Then
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Speaker 2: we got twelve which would be mercury, then Luna again
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Speaker 2: for thirteen. Then we got Venus, matches up with fourteen.
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Speaker 2: Then we got areas and fire the fire symbol that
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Speaker 2: is for number fifteen. Then you get Taurus in the
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Speaker 2: earth symbol that would be sixteen Gemini and the was
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Speaker 2: there no air that would be number seventeen. So for
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Speaker 2: line seventeen interesting cancer and water that would be uh
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Speaker 2: line eighteen. Leo and fire there would be line nineteen.
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Speaker 2: We got Virgo and Earth there be lined twenty. We
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Speaker 2: have Jupiter for line twenty one Libra for line twenty two,
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Speaker 2: Water for twenty three, Scorpio for twenty four, Sagittarius and
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Speaker 2: skipping the elements of shit. So Sagittarius and fire would
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Speaker 2: be twenty five, Capricornus and Earth be twenty six, Mars
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Speaker 2: would be twenty seven. Aquarius and and air that'd be
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Speaker 2: twenty eight. That's very very Saturnium right there, Pisces, Pisces
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Speaker 2: and water there'll be twenty nine. Then line thirty gets sold.
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Speaker 2: Thirty one is fire, Saturn is thirty two, Earth is
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Speaker 2: thirty two also, and spirit can also be for thirty one.
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Speaker 2: And then we got these other tables Gerulmany to keep
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Speaker 2: going or you want to do you want to take over?
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Speaker 3: Sure I could do it overright, So this is the
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Speaker 3: first I guess that would be table zero before ein eins.
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Speaker 2: That's why it's like nothing nothing, no limit. That's the
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Speaker 2: three things. That's what I'm guessing, right.
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Speaker 3: Right, So yeah, nothing, no limit, limitless right, iron, ironsoft,
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Speaker 3: ein sooft hour right there with that, that's interesting again,
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Speaker 3: this is Ketther the crown right. Number one and two
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Speaker 3: would be widom and understanding, mercy, strength, beauty, victory and
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Speaker 3: we're just going down by the numbers foundation Kingdom, and
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Speaker 3: these are all relating to the separa, right, So what
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Speaker 3: they're trying to do is they're trying to associate all
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Speaker 3: of the emotions and all of these actions and all
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Speaker 3: of these placements with the different seer. So that includes
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Speaker 3: all of the heavenly bodies as well. So this is
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Speaker 3: sort of why it's important to understand the Kabbala in
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Speaker 3: the first place, because it's this would be the inner
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Speaker 3: sort of code of the universe, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like like just like real quick, just even throw
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Speaker 2: this thing because maybe should have kind of edited this
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Speaker 2: a little bit in the beginning, just to make this
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Speaker 2: for people who never looked at this book and make
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Speaker 2: a little bit more sense. As you're flipping this page.
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Speaker 2: Is like, let's say you wanted to work with Jupiter.
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Speaker 2: That would be line number four, like we just mentioned before,
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Speaker 2: or whatever that would be, and then now that would
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Speaker 2: also be associated with mercy. Now you can follow line four,
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Speaker 2: flip the next page, and it's going to give you
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Speaker 2: all the associations all for Jupiter. So that's kind of like,
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Speaker 2: you know, you can't see it this way page by page,
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Speaker 2: but if it was an open book, you'd see that
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Speaker 2: like everything's going across.
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Speaker 1: Right right right, very true, very true.
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Speaker 3: So we were on beauty, right, this is number six
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Speaker 3: and this is Tephra.
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Speaker 2: Yes, right, beauty.
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Speaker 3: And uh victories number seven, Splendor is eight, nine is
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Speaker 3: foun foundation, and then ten is the kingdom. That is
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Speaker 3: where we're at. So it's the kingdom of all these
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Speaker 3: things sort of condensed into one, right. And then eleven
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Speaker 3: back with the ox ox. I think the ox is
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Speaker 3: so important because this is the first letter Aliph of
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Speaker 3: the Hebrew alphabet is supposed to be represented as an ox.
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Speaker 3: And also you've got the bull of heaven right, so
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Speaker 3: it plays into that as well. And again we're talking
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Speaker 3: about the air number, so there's something about the air
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Speaker 3: that changes the quality into sort of being in this
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Speaker 3: kingdom foundational moving point right, and again we saw before
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Speaker 3: on the primes, eleven is where they start at, so
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Speaker 3: that's interesting. And then the house and this is the
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Speaker 3: Gammel camel, right, so these are just going over olif
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Speaker 3: bet Gammel. Right, So these are the Hebrew letters dollt
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Speaker 3: or door. I can't believe I remember this stuff. Oh listen, dude,
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Speaker 3: Nail is number sixteen. Sword is seventeen pence is number eighteen,
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Speaker 3: serpent number nineteen and which is twenty paul, which is
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Speaker 3: twenty one. Twenty two is the ox gode. Right, So
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Speaker 3: that's interesting too. If you add the elevens, you get
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Speaker 3: the ox gode, and you've got the two oxes and
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Speaker 3: then the ox got.
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Speaker 2: It's even interesting how ox comes up again for the
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Speaker 2: double letter at the double numbers eleven and then twenty two.
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Speaker 3: You know, right right, well, I mean we could see
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Speaker 3: that all over the numerology. You know, when you're talking
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Speaker 3: about doubling these letters, they retain some of their value
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Speaker 3: from the from the previous.
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Speaker 2: And like again were mentioning before, like a lot of
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Speaker 2: these would also go with the the paths. You know
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Speaker 2: these that we're reading now, we'll go with the pats
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Speaker 2: and some of these, like as he's reading it to
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Speaker 2: these would also like I see like I see fish hook,
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Speaker 2: back of head, head tooth, I mean, nail, window, door, camel,
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Speaker 2: those are all in the ox. Those are all Hebrew
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Speaker 2: letters that will be on the tarot cards, and those
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Speaker 2: tarot cards will fall on these paths. So if you
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Speaker 2: were to like no, the letters that go on the
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Speaker 2: tower cards, you'd see these matching right here already, just
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Speaker 2: throw that in there, right.
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Speaker 3: So if you've got the Crowley taro, you can you
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Speaker 3: can use seven seven seven directly with it and start
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Speaker 3: to figure it out from that point down. So let's
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Speaker 3: see here water, which is number twenty three again back
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Speaker 3: it's the nation life state, right, so this is life
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Speaker 3: before it becomes life, as he was talking about with
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Speaker 3: the primes, and that would be water. It's like the
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Speaker 3: foundation of principle for all of it. Twenty four would
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Speaker 3: be fish twenty five, prop twenty six I twenty seven mouth,
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Speaker 3: twenty eight fish hook right, so back to twenty four.
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Speaker 3: You've doubled the flour and now you're at the fish hook.
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Speaker 2: So this is kind of like, yeah, catch it on
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Speaker 2: tome here bro.
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Speaker 3: Right back of head which is twenty nine, head which
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Speaker 3: is thirty, which is thirty one, and Tao as Egyptian
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Speaker 3: he thirty two, and then more Hebrew letters over here
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Speaker 3: that I cannot read. And this is this this, so
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Speaker 3: this is all sort of you know, there's nothing there
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Speaker 3: because it's on the other page.
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Speaker 2: So if you want you, let me take you go on,
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Speaker 2: go page by page, sure, all right, probably do this
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Speaker 2: one or maybe well, may another one after that we'll
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Speaker 2: see at eighteen minutes. Now this gets a little bit
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Speaker 2: more fun now because all three of these things are full.
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Speaker 2: So it was all excited. So if you're using now
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Speaker 2: this is getting into pants of the cephra, the general
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Speaker 2: attribution of Taro, and the King's scale of colors. So
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Speaker 2: now as I'm reading these, there's nothing for zero, but
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Speaker 2: for number one, I'll be reading off the color firs,
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Speaker 2: then the attribution of Taro, and then the path of
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Speaker 2: Sepher Yetz. So for one Kether that will get brilliance,
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Speaker 2: which I don't know if some people have noticed, like
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Speaker 2: even on my rainbow that rainbow shot that I have
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Speaker 2: the silent rainbow, and some other times whenever I show
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Speaker 2: a rainbow coming out of his eyes, always make sure
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Speaker 2: that puts brilliance white first. I don't know people will
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Speaker 2: notice that, but it is supposed to be kind of
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Speaker 2: like kether brilliance. Then the general attribution of Taro, the
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Speaker 2: four aces, and then the paths of the Cepha Yetsa
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Speaker 2: would be admirable or hidden intelligent intelligence. Then for Chokma
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Speaker 2: we would get the king scale of pure soft blue.
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Speaker 2: Taro would be the four two's the Kings of the Knights,
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Speaker 2: and then number two, and then the path would be illuminating.
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Speaker 2: This looks like it says illuminating I or illuminating one.
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Speaker 2: Then Binah for three would be Crimson, the kings scale
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Speaker 2: called then that would go with the three you know
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Speaker 2: in the Queens, the four threes. That's another thing too,
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the taro. Obviously as you're hearing it,
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Speaker 2: the all like the aces will all go with Kether.
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Speaker 2: Then all the two's are gonna go with the second sphere.
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Speaker 2: You just match them up. Yeah, And then sanctifying is
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Speaker 2: the path of sets. Then for Chokma that is deep violet,
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Speaker 2: the four fours, and the paths of the path is
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Speaker 2: measuring cohesive or receptic, resepticular, recepticular. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: I'm saying that right. Then over to uh five, which
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Speaker 2: would be Gabora, that'd be the four fives, and that
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Speaker 2: would be the path would be radical, I could see that.
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Speaker 2: Then for say that again orangeman bat yeah, oh shit, yeah,
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Speaker 2: and even catch that that is interesting? How that for
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Speaker 2: five when it shows up plainly on eight, interesting, Well
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Speaker 2: that's the king scale too, orange Yeah, then uh yeah,
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Speaker 2: already did that. Then for six Tifferreth we have the
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Speaker 2: king scale would be clear pink rose. Then obviously there's
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Speaker 2: the four sixes, and then you have of the meditating influence.
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Speaker 2: Then for Netsk we have amber. Obviously the four sevens,
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Speaker 2: and then that the paths of Seth Furyza would be
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Speaker 2: a cult and then for Hod that would be the
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Speaker 2: king scaleould be violet purple, the four eights and absolute
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Speaker 2: or perfect would be the path Seprieza. Then ten which no.
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Speaker 2: Nine which would be is seed that is indigo for
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Speaker 2: the color, and then the four nines and the path
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Speaker 2: would be pure or clear. Then ten for Malcouth that
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Speaker 2: would be yellow the four tens and resplendent would be
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Speaker 2: the path. Then as you saw, moving on to the pats,
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Speaker 2: now instead of the sphears you have bright pale yellow
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Speaker 2: and that matches up with the the fool and to
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Speaker 2: how do you see that word fuck scintillating something scintillating
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Speaker 2: then for uh, the twelfth the twelfth path yellow. The juggler, Oh,
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Speaker 2: that's very interesting. The ju jugged juggler, the fucking a
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Speaker 2: CP always going on about the fucking juggler.
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Speaker 3: The juggler is interesting too, because that's sort of like
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Speaker 3: interchangeable with the magician.
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Speaker 2: Mm. Yeah, I mean it's really all like kind of
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Speaker 2: like different acts by the same fucking person. You could
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Speaker 2: play the fool, you'd be a juggler, you know. Then transparency,
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Speaker 2: which is not what I think ICP is about when
22:53
Speaker 2: it comes to their occult. They're not transparent about that
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Speaker 2: at all, and neither is Auiji mac blue. That would
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Speaker 2: be a thirteenth path would be blue, and that would
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Speaker 2: be the High Priestess, and that's uniting. The fourteenth paths
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Speaker 2: would be emerald green and that would be the Empress,
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Speaker 2: and that's illuminating. And then the fifteenth path would be scarlet,
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Speaker 2: and that's the Emperor. So that's interesting how you have
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Speaker 2: the scarlet woman. But then it can also go with
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Speaker 2: the man and constituting. And then the sixteenth path red
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Speaker 2: orange the hirofant, and that would be triumphal or eternal.
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Speaker 2: One line seventeen got orange orange again the lovers and disposing.
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Speaker 2: One line eighteen amber the chariot of the House of Influence.
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Speaker 2: Then we have nineteen yellow or greenish. That would be strength,
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Speaker 2: and that's of all activities of the spiritual being. And
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Speaker 2: then line twenty would be green and yellowish, and that
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Speaker 2: would be the hermit and of will. Twenty one would
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Speaker 2: be violet, and that would be the Wheel of Fortune,
24:03
Speaker 2: and that's of conciliation. Twenty two emerald green. That would
24:09
Speaker 2: be the Justice card, and that would be faithful. Twenty
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Speaker 2: three is deep blue and that's the hanged Man, and
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Speaker 2: that would be stable because twenty four green blue, that
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Speaker 2: would be death. It's interesting you figure with the fucking hangman.
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Speaker 2: Too imaginative. The twenty four blue for twenty five and
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Speaker 2: that'd be temperance and that's of probation of tentative one,
24:37
Speaker 2: and twenty six indigo that would be the devil. Renovating
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Speaker 2: would be the path. That's interesting, renovating. Twenty seven scarlet,
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Speaker 2: the House of God. That'd be exciting. Twenty eight is
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Speaker 2: violet and that is the star card and that is natural.
24:57
Speaker 2: Twenty nine would be crimson, and that is the moon card,
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Speaker 2: and that is corporal. See thirty again, we get orange.
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Speaker 2: That would be the sun that's collecting. Thirty one would
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Speaker 2: be glowing orange scarlet and the angel less judgment wands
25:12
Speaker 2: or nights of Knights of the Universe, and that would
25:15
Speaker 2: be administrative. And then for a path thirty two, you
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Speaker 2: get a Satrin, Olive, Russett and black, and that would
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Speaker 2: be with the empress empresses coins and the white merging
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Speaker 2: into gray, and that would be all twenty two trumps.
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Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, So in.
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Speaker 3: Curley's thought book, right, he says that the all of
25:41
Speaker 3: the numbered cards in the tarot are actually one card,
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Speaker 3: the Elements. So if you were going to put that
25:47
Speaker 3: with the trumps, it would only be one card. So
25:50
Speaker 3: each and every one of these other cards that he's
25:52
Speaker 3: talking about in the tarot would be able to be
25:55
Speaker 3: broken down in the same way that the elements card
25:58
Speaker 3: is by these different numbers, right, They would just have
26:02
Speaker 3: slightly different variations based upon the total value. So if
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Speaker 3: you if you think about the entire tarot of all
26:09
Speaker 3: of the trumps and all of the you know, elemental
26:13
Speaker 3: cards as being broken down in a similar way, you
26:17
Speaker 3: get a completely different number which would represent the totality
26:20
Speaker 3: of the split apart tarot, right, if you were going
26:23
Speaker 3: to do it that way. At least that's his understanding
26:26
Speaker 3: of the tarot, that all of the number you know,
26:29
Speaker 3: uh aces through kings would be all one card called
26:35
Speaker 3: the Elements. So I guess I don't know if anybody's
26:43
Speaker 3: ever done it that way, but it'd be interesting to
26:47
Speaker 3: multiply that out and see how many cards would actually
26:50
Speaker 3: be in the taro if you're going to be super
26:52
Speaker 3: pedantic with it.
26:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting. Do you want to do you
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Speaker 2: don't want to go and do another page or no?
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Speaker 3: I think that's a good place to wrap. We can
27:04
Speaker 3: do some more next time. But this is, Uh, this
27:07
Speaker 3: has been a good episode. I think it's bringing everything
27:09
Speaker 3: together and what's.
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Speaker 2: This is the fun part for me, right, But this
27:15
Speaker 2: is this.
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Speaker 3: Is where you're doing your spell crafting. Is you're just
27:18
Speaker 3: going through each one of these different spheres and each
27:22
Speaker 3: one of these different numbers, and you're finding all of
27:24
Speaker 3: the attributions to then insert into your into your spell crafting.
27:28
Speaker 3: So all of this stuff, all of these associations you
27:31
Speaker 3: would be building off of as you're doing your active
27:35
Speaker 3: spell casting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like even the colors, this is giving you ideas
27:38
Speaker 2: of stuff that you could use colors like on your
27:40
Speaker 2: altar with certain things maybe you're using. Even some of
27:45
Speaker 2: them I think could be used for if you want
27:47
Speaker 2: to just start doing teleisman's, you might pick certain colors
27:49
Speaker 2: that you can use on the talisman to represent which
27:51
Speaker 2: sphere you're working with. Yeah, I think even here we'll
27:54
Speaker 2: get into uh, we'll even get into crystals, drugs. There's
27:58
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of things that will associate with absolutely.
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Speaker 3: But I mean we're just going to the tarot right
28:05
Speaker 3: now and the Kabbala, which you know, Crowley was just
28:09
Speaker 3: obsessed with, Like he thought everything on the tarot should
28:13
Speaker 3: be perfectly lined up to the Kabbala, And this is
28:16
Speaker 3: what he spent the majority of his time trying to
28:18
Speaker 3: figure out. And he used a lot of these references
28:21
Speaker 3: from a lot of different sources to just sort of
28:23
Speaker 3: put it all together and fast forward it for you.
28:25
Speaker 3: So that's the value in Crowley is he's using a
28:28
Speaker 3: bunch of different sources, you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you remember even the Golden Dorm was
28:32
Speaker 2: he ripped off the Golden Dorn hugely with this too.
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Speaker 1: Big time, big time. So he wasn't ashamed of it.
28:39
Speaker 3: I think he'd be the first to admit it, so
28:42
Speaker 3: not only admit it, but also tear down the people
28:45
Speaker 3: who he got it from.
28:46
Speaker 2: So and I had to fix this crap that I
28:49
Speaker 2: told exactly.
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Speaker 1: I love it. Well, thank you guys for joining us.
28:55
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.
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Speaker 3: It's just starting to get fun, so we'll give examples
28:59
Speaker 3: and maybe our own personal lives how these different things apply.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I definitely could do that. Let's good down
29:05
Speaker 2: the road into the book, I guess sort of, you know,
29:07
Speaker 2: adding in how I made telesipions and shit that way
29:10
Speaker 2: there you go.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think a lot of people are kind
29:12
Speaker 3: of lost when they first get into magic. And this
29:16
Speaker 3: is the deep end, right, So if you want to
29:19
Speaker 3: start with the beginner books, they're never going to mention
29:21
Speaker 3: any stuff about this, but this is the deep end.
29:23
Speaker 3: So this is definitely not your one on one course.
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Speaker 2: This is thea like a lot of witches and not
29:30
Speaker 2: just magicians. They may not like to admit it, but
29:32
Speaker 2: they do use this book like even in witchcraft, not
29:35
Speaker 2: just ceremony imagic.
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Speaker 3: And you can do this with the Greek letters, you
29:40
Speaker 3: could do this with English letters. All of the different
29:43
Speaker 3: letters sort of fit in there, and that's sort of
29:45
Speaker 3: the idea. That's the goal, is to make it as
29:47
Speaker 3: associated as possible. All Right, guys, see again next time.