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The Moment You Realize Your Mind Can't Heal Your Heart - The Truth About Emotional Healing · We!

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  SPEAKER_00: If you felt lonely, isolated, disconnected, with an empty feeling inside and just yearning for more, knowing something is missing, then this podcast is for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So here's your host, Joe Mittigga.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to We.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: My name is Joe Mittig, and I'm the host of the We podcast.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I want to welcome everybody here today.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's a beautiful spring day in Atlanta, Georgia, and we just went through the time change, so our days are a little longer, and it's starting to warm up finally.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't complain too bad.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: I grew up in the Midwest.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: I grew up in northern Indiana where it would snow a foot or two on a Sunday and Monday morning.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we were right back to school.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I have to say, here in the southeast, we have beautiful long springs and really long falls and four seasons.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this year was a little bit colder for us than normal, but I'm happy to say it's spring and baseball's back, and you know, we're just having a really great time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've got a lot of really cool things to share today.
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  SPEAKER_01: The topic for today's episode is your mind cannot heal your heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is one of those that you're gonna really want to listen till the end.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna share some of my experience, strength, and hope on the hows and the whys and the what I did, quite honestly, the heal the depths of myself.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: And before I move forward, I I always want to say to people if everything that you're doing currently is working, then great.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: If it's not, then I'm glad you're here.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: And if things are working and you're open to new ideas to maybe go a little deeper, a little farther, a little, a little have a little bit less fear, I'm also glad you're here.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: So welcome to we.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: My my role on the We podcast is a message of awareness.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're not here to heal anybody, we're not here to fix anybody, we're not here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a therapist, I'm not a counselor, I'm not a teacher, I'm certainly not a doctor, I'm just a guy.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm a guy like you, and you're like me, and that's why we're connecting so well.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: I have to tell you, the successes that the Wii podcast has had over the past 120 days have been absolutely tremendous.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: I get my numbers here in a couple of weeks for the shows and the downloads, but you know, my heart fills every time I see those numbers because every download, what it represents to Joe is somebody somewhere around the world connecting to a message that was my message, but truly it's my divinity talking through me to you.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: And whether you can understand what I'm getting ready to say or not, it doesn't really matter.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm here to tell you, it's not me, it's not Joe.
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  SPEAKER_01: It isn't Joe sharing a message here, it's Joe's divinity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm very, very humbled to be the vehicle, and I do my due diligence to be the strongest voice I can be.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: And the way I do it, the way I connect and I commune with others is I share my experience, strength, and hope.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's why on the We podcast, you're never gonna hear me tell you what to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm never gonna try to fix your life.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm never gonna try to fix you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, goodness gracious, it's hard enough dealing with my own life and and my challenges and my growth and my expansions.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: But I am willing to share my overflow with each of you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I have to tell you, as the We podcast grows, my heart fills every day.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I just want to thank all of you for being here, for supporting me, for loving me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I have to tell you, I can feel your hearts and I feel a true connection with each of you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I genuinely have to say I love you all.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really do, because we are on a path together.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are together in this journey to heal humanity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the world is waking up.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the bottom line, humanity is changing.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: I always use the example of to truly kind of put it in context of where humanity was a couple hundred years ago here in the States, and the owning of a human was perfectly normal.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: If you look at the histories of the past millennia, where torture and domination and fear was the tactic of the land.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fast forward, is everything perfect now?
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  SPEAKER_01: Of course not.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've got wars around the world, we've got people in poverty, we've got parts of the globe that don't have water.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, there are challenges in the world, no question about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: There are people right here listening to this that are in dark places or in depressed places and disconnected places.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hear you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I'm here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we are opening up as a human race, as a humanity, to a grander sense of ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: We just simply are.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that transformation of moving from the male-dominated side of self to the female dominated side of self is where the we comes into position.
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  SPEAKER_01: And why I call it we instead of me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Me is an ego-based male sense-dominated ego.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's me, it's isolated, it's individualized, it's as if it is separate from anything else, hence the word me.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: We is a natural collective descriptive word, which not only explains we as a community, we as a world, we as a society, we are all in this together.
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  SPEAKER_01: But for Joe, the word we is really the definition of what humanity is going through.
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  SPEAKER_01: Humanity's consciousness is shifting from a mindset of a me to a consciousness of a we.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what is the consciousness of a we described as?
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  SPEAKER_01: What's it defined as?
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  SPEAKER_01: Joe's we is the human self, the ego, you, me, the individualized sense of yourself, the divine you, which we all share, same divine sense of self, created in God's image, that whole concept, and the inner you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I call it the inner child.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some people call it the inner self, some people call it their intuition, some people call it their gut instinct.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's the other thing I do here at the We podcast.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't tell you what adjective to put on your aspects of self.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: If I get asked the question about religion, and I say yes, they say, What religion are you?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I say yes, and I do it like that because the truth of the matter is all modern-day religions have a monolithic God and a message of love.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do I really care?
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  SPEAKER_01: Does it matter to Joe?
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  SPEAKER_01: Personally, does it matter to Joe?
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  SPEAKER_01: The adjective of the deity, the Jesus, the Muhammad, the whatever you're calling it, higher self, higher power, universal law, universal source.
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  SPEAKER_01: Does it matter to me?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, call it what you're comfortable with for sure.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: My question isn't what you're calling it.
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  SPEAKER_01: My question is, are you following that voice?
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  SPEAKER_01: Are you following that part of yourself?
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  SPEAKER_01: And the answer for most of you is kind of maybe.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes when it's convenient, and most of the times not.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: And that's just the answer most of the time.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: And we're going to talk about the whys to that and what happens.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to today, I'm going to share my story like I always do, because it's just easier for me to tell you what I did to then come from where I lived to come from where I live today.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: And most of you, if you're new here, welcome.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I always like to recap my story in 20 seconds or less.
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  SPEAKER_01: I went through a very difficult time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm coming up on 33 years of sobriety, 32 years of sobriety in April.
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  SPEAKER_01: And prior to that, I was an active drinker.
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  SPEAKER_01: I smoked marijuana every day.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was in a really dark spot.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just really was.
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  SPEAKER_01: Had a spiritual experience which removed my cravings.
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  SPEAKER_01: 50 some odd days later, had memories of being sexually abused as a boy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So wherever you are, please understand.
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  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: I understand.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for most of you here on the Wii podcast, you're not in a dark spot like I was.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I always say, What the heck?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: If I can go and do what I'm talking about here, you can too, because your path isn't as deep and as dark, and you weren't as thick headed as me.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the era of time in which I did this path 30 some odd years ago is in the 90s.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: It was pre-millennia.
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  SPEAKER_01: The world was different, quite honestly.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was no internet, there were barely cell phones.
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  SPEAKER_01: Texting, email didn't exist.
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  SPEAKER_01: Calling people, 1-800 gets support, didn't exist.
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  SPEAKER_01: So today, the systems that why we're such the generation of change is because the world over the past 30 years has progressed.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I was a little boy in the 60s and raised in the 70s, the concept of the positive affirmation, the writing of the goals, the goal list, the future dream, it didn't exist.
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  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't spoken about.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, does that mean that the world wasn't still causing emotional harm?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was.
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  SPEAKER_01: Does it mean anybody was trying to?
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: For the majority, no.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was raised by two loving parents that did the best they can.
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  SPEAKER_01: So again, the other part of what I say here, I'm not here blaming anybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today, if you're listening and you're in pain, it's up to you to get yourself out of pain.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you're in angst, it's up to you to reach out for help.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you're in glory, it's up to you to share that story with somebody else.
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  SPEAKER_01: Truly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do like I'm doing right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And why do I get to project from a position of pain and a position of glory?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: I literally just three minutes ago told over a million people that I was sexually abused as a little boy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just told a million people, you're witnessing it because you're listening.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you were hurt really bad as a kid, if Joe can tell a million people, you can tell somebody in private.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can tell somebody in sacred silence.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to be afraid anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you are afraid to share the depths of yourself, I get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And fear no longer is an excuse to not get help.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, for the rest of you, you weren't abused as a kid, you weren't neglected as a kid.
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  SPEAKER_01: You weren't beat, you weren't spanked, you weren't shamed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you still have your issues.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: We all have our issues.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: I tell my kids all the time, my role here is just to get you to be adults and have a solid sense of a higher power and a guidance system within.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, when it's time, you're going to need help, you're going to need support, you're going to need somebody to be in your world.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I am happy to say that after a while, I now have a personal life coach myself.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: And Dr.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: Karen, I'm going to get her on here one of these days.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: I had my first session the other day, and I forgot how freaking awesome it is to have somebody hold a space that just listens and replies and has this wisdom and has this communion and this connection and this loving presence and can just share back what she sees, what she feels, what she hears, and celebrates with me.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: I have a ton of stuff to celebrate.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: And if I need a life coach, everybody does.
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  SPEAKER_01: And am I saying that it has to be a paid professional?
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: But have a best friend.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have a group, have a somebody.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because where two or more are gathered, divinity is there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Period.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's just the way it is.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Now, a lot of people are on a path and you're growing and you're shifting, and everything is fine.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: And if everything is working how you have it, great.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: And if it's not, we've got solutions.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've got answers.
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  SPEAKER_01: The whole concept of humanity waking up, what's it really mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: Where we've got a male side of self and a female side of self.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the male dominated side of self, the mental and the physical side of self is the energy that basically has dominated the world for millennia, literally.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, the feminine side is waking up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And male and female energy isn't gender specific, it's not race specific, it's not location specific, it's humanity's perspective of inner self, the feminine side, the males are the male side.
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  SPEAKER_01: The feminine side is your emotional side of self and your spiritual side of self.
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  SPEAKER_01: And why is it important that you kind of get all this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you're waking up to a communion, a grander sense of something, or you wouldn't be on a podcast like this.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: You wouldn't be.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: You'd be on one of these amazing podcasts that talk about business or politics or glamour or whatever else.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: So since you're here listening to the We podcast, it tells me that there are parts of you waking up in you to something grander than what you were yesterday.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you weren't, you wouldn't be here.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: And you certainly wouldn't be able to listen to an entire podcast of mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have thousands of people now that click on one, listen to the whole thing, click again, listen to the whole thing, click again.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: And why is that?
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because we're all the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm you and you're me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not kidding.
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  SPEAKER_01: And from that position, we're helping the world wake up.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: I am here to share my message.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: I am here to share my world.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm here to share my experience, strength, and hope.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: And why it's important to really understand what's going on, because as you truly start waking up to a grander sense of yourself, it can be confusing.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: I I chuckle, but it's not funny.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's I chuckle because when I hear people say, Well, I'm spiritually awoken and it's all wonderful and grace of God and everything's great and happy, joyous, and free, I say to myself, that person's either high or they haven't done it.
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  SPEAKER_01: They just haven't.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because is that the end result?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: But if you really are going into the depths of you to be able to commune with the grandest sense of you, there are plenty of days that are not happy.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: There are plenty of days that are dark, there are plenty of days that are just freaking difficult.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because that's all part of the growing process.
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  SPEAKER_01: If everything is great and you're already in a spot where everything is fine, then great.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: Listen here, enjoy, enjoy the message and move on.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Tell somebody else, because not everyone else is there.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're going through tough times, I get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you're going through confusion, I get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you're going through emotion, I certainly get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what this whole podcast is going to be about.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I want you to know if there's an emotional component that's coming up, please know that means you're truly on a path of growth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because where was the emotion last week?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's right, buried inside.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why is it in coming out now?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you're becoming more and more aware, you're going deeper and deeper inside.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's where, in the sense of the we, humanity, the human part of self, we're all craving to remember our oneness.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're all craving that.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're here as a consciousness to remember our oneness.
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  SPEAKER_01: And where you do that is in the feminine side of self.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that would be really freaking simple if we didn't have to go through the emotional component of the feminine side of self.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's where so many people forever, the new thought movement, that whole concept, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: They literally lived in a belief system that said emotions are can just be flipped on, flipped off, moved away, act like they're not there, and move on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I say, Great, that's working for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: If it is, fabulous.
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  SPEAKER_01: Keep doing it for sure.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: But if it's not, I'm glad you're here because there's nothing wrong with you.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's the emotional process side.
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  SPEAKER_01: And most people that pursue a sense of a grander sense of themselves through meditation, through mind work, through visualization, through quieting of the mind, quite honestly, they touch the door, but they never really walk through.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: How do I know?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because if you have to go into meditation, if you have to change your state of consciousness through a meditative action step, then you're not in communion with the part you have to meditate to commune with.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: And people say, Well, Joe, I have to meditate because I've got too many voices in my head.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: If I don't meditate, I can't calm the voices.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I get it.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: My question was never calming the voices.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do I calm the voices?
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  SPEAKER_01: My question from the beginning, before I knew any of this was even a thing, was why in the heck do I have the voices in the first place?
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna ask each of you right now, why do you have those voices that you have to meditate to calm?
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  SPEAKER_01: Those voices, you weren't born with those voices.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are born pure oneness.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Look at the eyes of a newborn.
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't have voices going through their head.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: We gain those voices because we grow up in an unconscious community with unconscious parents that don't know any better.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're doing the best they can.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your unloving voices, your disconnected voices, your voices of shame and guilt and hurt and pain, those were developed over the years, and they all have a source.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're going to talk about that source today, because where you find that source is in the inner sense of self.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: And the truth is the answers to your grandness are not by avoiding the emotional sense of yourself, the answers to your communion with a grander sense of you, with a higher sense of you, with the God of your understanding, the answer, the how you do it is not in your mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's through the depths of your heart.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: But the problem is the deeper you go in your heart, you have to go through the layers of the uncomfortable stuff, the yucky stuff, the painful stuff, the angry stuff, the hurt stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And society tends to tell us, nah, you didn't have to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just act like it's not there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's just recreate a different voice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's just act like light switch, forgive.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: If you haven't listened to my podcast on Stop Forgiving, please do, because that is a passion of mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Forgiveness is not an action step, it's not.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do I know?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because if it was, everybody would do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: You would just go, oh, flip, light switch, flip, forgiveness.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, actions forgiveness happens as a consequence of action steps.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: And the only reason you don't you can't forgive somebody is because you're hurting, not because you're a bad person, not because you're doing it wrong, not because there's anything wrong with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: The person who caused you harm, you're still hurting about that.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Is that a bad thing?
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, that doesn't give you permission to act out on that person.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't give you permission not to be respectful to that person.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, without question marks, you can be angry and hurt and not able to forgive somebody and love them also.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: My podcast that talks, that says about Wayne Dyer quoting Jesus.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: I did that podcast the day after my father passed.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably about as intimate as I'm gonna be.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: You want to hear a grown man cry?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Get on that one.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't plan it, trust me.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: I have recording time, but my schedule is packed, so I stick to a schedule.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: I I want to get my message out weekly, so I stick to it.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it just so happened.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: My father passed on a Sunday, and I'm scheduled to do the podcast on a Monday.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I give myself credit because that took a lot of courage and it took a lot of strength, but it was just kind of my normal.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: I I want the world to know that being vulnerable is okay, that grieving is okay.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing wrong with it.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: That single largest challenge to grieving is our resistance against it, not the grief itself.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: You want to hear some grief?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Go on that one because I was in the center of it.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then on the other side, the love and the support, the amazing support I got.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: I listened to this woman, Amy Manford.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: She's Become my favorite person.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: She'll never know me.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: I listened to her music, but her music penetrates and I grieved.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: Fabulous.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: She's the Phantom of the Opera in Australia, Amy Manford.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: I look, I hope to have her on this show someday.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: She really helped me.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: She meaning her music.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: Her divinity helped me, period.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: It just did.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so, with all of that being said, right, why we're here and why I do these podcasts and what this podcast is about is it's easy to say, mine can't heal the heart.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: And what the heck does Joe?
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: What heals the heart?
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's what I'm going to tell you.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to share my story.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: And back in September of 89, I grew up Italian.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: My father was full-blooded Italian, and my grandmother was full-blooded Italian.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: So in the Italian household, there was deep respect, deep roots.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: And we were around my grandparents weekly from little up.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: So my non, as we called her, became a real mentor in my life.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: She was a person and she was just at that age.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: Was she emotionally connected?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Not really.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody was.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: But she would sit and listen.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: And through my college years, through my high school years, and in the Italian world, if you're, and I'm sure there's a lot of cultures that do this, I can only talk for the Italian culture.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: You go to an Italian style, you're going to eat.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: She always was cooking.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'd show up there all the time, never late, out of respect.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: So as I would eat, we would talk.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: And that communion was just something that was special to me.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: It really was.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: And she was in her mid-80s and very active, very, very active.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: She was.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: I found out later that two or three months after the event I'm getting ready to tell you about, she had started retiring things.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: She was the treasurer for her Italian women's club for 40 years, something like that.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: And she had resigned that and retired things.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, September, she goes on a day-long trip, 85 years old, from northern Indiana to Indianapolis, 120-mile trip.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: On the way back, she's walking to her car and she falls.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: She misses the curb and she breaks her hip.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: We're down in the south.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: My entire family rushes up.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: I stay back, have a family business.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Long story short, the last thing my nun said to me was, thanks for calling, Joe.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for calling.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't think of much of it.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Go back to work.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in a roofing business, 100 degrees in Atlanta.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Starts to rain in the middle of a day.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I knew she had died.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, back in those days, I'm in my mid-20s, 26, I think.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 26.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't feel a thing, really.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: I was angry for sure.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: When she died, took me two bottles of Jack Daniels a night for multiple nights out in the middle of a warehouse to even crack the grief.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I never really grieved.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: It was just I cracked it a little bit.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: I walked with my nephew, who's 40 now, and he looks up at me and he says, Uncle Joe, where's Big Nun?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I grieved a little bit.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm thinking, wow, that felt good.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: I grieved for about 36 seconds and I thought I was done, to be honest with you.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: I hadn't even begun.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: And since I couldn't grieve, the emotion that came up was anger.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean a lot of anger.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I was big.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still a big guy now, but now I'm I'm not like I was in my 20s.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was 220 pounds, worked out six days a week.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: The whole idea of big and bad in bulk was the mindset, the matcha, you know, just that, just that big 20-something year old crazy.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: And but there was always a like a hole in my heart prior to this.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, when she passed, the hole got bigger.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: It just did.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: And no matter how much alcohol, the hole was still there.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: I switched to marijuana, the hole was still there.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: I had relationships with different girls.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: The one young gal, her name was Dawn.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: We were pretty good friends.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: The difference is I was nuts, and she wasn't.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: She was just kind of normal.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I would get so jealous and rageful if she would even consider talking to somebody.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Now, years later, I realized I learned that when she would talk to somebody, meaning nothing at all on her side, she was a pure innocent person.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: She did nothing wrong.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'd feel abandoned.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'd feel rejected.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: And instead of feeling abandonment and rejection, rage would come forward.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: So one time through this era of time, now I wasn't in therapy yet.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: I had no conscious awareness to everything now.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sharing in this story, my experience.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so we went to this one particular bar all the time, and we knew everybody there.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: And she and I would go, and we had kind of separated.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: She, I'm sure, just got tired of my crap or whatever.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I go there and she's sitting at the bar with a boy.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Now we're all kids, 20 something.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: I was 26.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: She's probably 21, 22, and this young man she's with, probably the same age.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't explain it.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: I just saw red.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's all I saw.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: They walk out of the bar.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's a big Marriott with the big double door exits.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I go charging after them.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: We were broke up.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: I go charging after, I'll never forget the doors as if the doors weren't even there.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: I go walking towards the door, I slam the doors with both fists, knock them right off the top hinges.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Think about that force.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: And the doors go falling down, and they're standing there.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm six foot plus.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: My little friend Dawn is 5'1, maybe.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: And her friend, I don't even know who he was.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: I grabbed this young man by the neck and I pinned him against the wall.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: And she is cussing and screaming, you're nuts, you're crazy.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Joe, leave it.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: You're crazy, Joe.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: You're crazy.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I've got this young kid in my rage pinned against a wall.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now, let me stop a second.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Most of you here, you have no idea the rage, this kind of rage.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: But do you have it in you?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Some of you?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you do.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: Did I have a lot of it?
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I did.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: Did I know what to do with it back then?
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I'm telling the story.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: By the grace of God, like out of nowhere, she calms and she grabs my hand and she says, Joe, please let him go.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't, that's all it took.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: She calmed.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: She I calmed, I let him go.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then a buddy of mine who was the bouncer comes running out.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: His name was Bryce.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: He says, Joe, you got to get out of here.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Cops are coming.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: I handed Bryce my wallet, so I would pay for the doors.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Just handle it, please.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: And by the time I turned around, Dawn and her friend had run.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I couldn't find them.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then the rage comes back.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: I walk away that particular time I did not get arrested.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking, I'm crazy.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a nutcase.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: I am lost and in rage and just this massive vacancy in my heart.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to fill it.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: And she was the answer.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Can you say codependence on steroids?
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Just nuts.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: So the wisdom of the day said, you know what?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: I know where she lives.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: She still lives with her parents.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to go to her parents' house, break in, and go into her room and wait for her.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because I just know if she sees me, she'll want me back and everything will be fine and we're going to live happily ever after.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Now think about the stupidity and the insanity and the craziness of that thought process.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: I almost killed her friend.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: I broke doors down.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: My rage is off the chains.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I break into her parents' house with the mindset that said, if she sees me, she'll want me back and we'll be okay.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: That wasn't what happened.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: She saw me all right.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: I scared the bejesus out of her.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: She goes running out the door, screaming down the neighbors, and you're crazy, you're crazy, you're crazy.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: And lo and behold, I got arrested.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: Next day, cops come to my door.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: That was the third time I was arrested, arrested two other times for DUI.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now you would think all that would change you.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Do something about it.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're in a crazy place, I get it.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Get some help.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you're in a crazy place and you think you don't have any problems, but if you think you have a problem, you do get some help.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: Why can I say it?
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because I was nuts, completely crazy, rageful nuts.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: But at the time, I didn't know it.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to share something here because it's probably not you, the person listening here, that can relate to the intensity of my story.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: But you know somebody that does.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know somebody who has the rage.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know somebody who acts out.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know somebody who's abusive.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know somebody who cusses all the time.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not telling you that it's okay in any way, shape, or form.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: But do they know they're doing it?
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, but not really.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because the brain rationalizes the behavior as if it's okay.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: Can you fix them?
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, you can't.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: You can't protect yourself from that nonsense, but no, you can't fix them.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: They have to wake up to it themselves.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Time goes on.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: I get I go to jail a couple, two or three days.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Get out.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: They put a bench warrant on me.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot go within 500 feet of this girl, or you're going back to jail, son, for a year or two.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, sir, I get it.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: I made it about four days.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't stop myself.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'd call again.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't have text.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: You had to call in a lane line.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'd call and she'd eventually call.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: And if she would just talk to me, I'd feel better.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're one of these people that you're living in this belief system that says, if Johnny's just in my life, I'm going to be okay.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Or if Susie would just come back, I'm going to be okay.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: Or if you're that person that says, I just have to fix John, because if John gets better, then I'll be okay.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, John's not getting better until John finds his own higher power and your okayness is up to you.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: You have to fix your okayness when you're brushing your teeth in the morning.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: The person looking back at you has to be okay before you're ever going to truly be able to be okay around your person, male or female.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll never forget because at the time my dad and I had a business, and he would say to me, and he'd look me right in the face, he says, Joe, are you nuts?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna go to jail.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: You have to leave this girl alone.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'd shake my head.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't do it.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: I literally couldn't stop.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I share that story because mine was intense, yours isn't.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: I pretty much promise you, you might know some people, most of you might.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: But what was I experiencing?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: Vacant, empty vacancy, and my addiction to her, the behaviors, the physical, the sexual, the intimacy, the touch, that's addiction, period.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: If when we would be touch, just even holding hands, I needed her to hold my hand for me to be okay.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's addiction when you need something.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then when she got soft and was kind, her kindness filled a void.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's codependence.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: When you need someone else to tell you you're okay, that's codependence.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: I had the dual whammy.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was addicted to freaking everything, and my codependence was off the charts, literally.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: So that was the experience, and life went on.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then, and this was all after my grandmother had died.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, then which is September, spring of the year now, which is 1990.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm at my mom's house.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: I lived pretty close.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting in her living room, and water starts coming out of my eyes.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: No idea, had no idea.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: I remember calling her up and saying, Mom, I need help.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when it all changed.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: Mom, I need help.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: I not you, not me.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: I need help.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: And when the Joe, the man, the boy, the 27-year-old boy man was sitting there, realized that I had to say I to somebody else.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're listening here, no one can fix you.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I get to tell you, it's up to you to reach out.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's up to you, the person listening, if you have help.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I keep going back because most people listening here, it's not you that needs the help.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's somebody you know that needs the help.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Get them on the podcast, please.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: Send them this episode.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Get them to listen to my different podcasts because I get it.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: And unlike you telling your son, your daughter, your husband, your brother, your dad, your uncle, you can tell them till the cows come home.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: And all they hear from you is wah, womp, wah, wah, womp.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like my son's.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I always kept my oldest son, who's an elite athlete, around elite coaches.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's why he's so good.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't hear a word I said.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: But if I tell them, they hear it through my voice in my message, they might get it.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it was in that moment in time where Joe said to Joe, and then spoke it out loud, it became real.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: You can say it to yourself all day long, but if you don't tell anybody it's not real, you're making it up.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing will change.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Zero will change unless you reach out for help.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I did.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: In that particular case, my mother, who I was close with my whole life, we had a daily, a daily, weekly relationship my whole life, literally.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I reached out, and it was in that place where she said, Okay, I'll find somebody.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Lo and behold, she had a friend who had a therapist, and I was introduced.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Her name was Marion.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: And that was Marion was my first therapist.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: And now you have to picture this, right?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 27 years old.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 220 pounds, I'm six foot plus, and mommy has to take me to the therapist.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: Mom, I never call her mommy.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: My mother had to take me.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because I was freaking terrified to go.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're listening and you're scared, I get it.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Get help.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: Have someone go with you for Christ's sake.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: It there's no reward.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter how the hell you get there.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: It only matters that you go.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not kidding.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't afford it.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: My mother, I'm 27.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: My mother paid.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now back then therapy was probably$30 or something.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing like it is now.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: But why do I say it?
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's not easy.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're not afraid, you're completely disconnected.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're afraid, I hear you.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it's okay to be afraid.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's not okay to not take action because your fear.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, those days are over.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: No action because of fear, not okay anymore.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: And there's no way you'd be on a podcast like this.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: And there's no way you'd be listening like this if you weren't ready.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: And again, absence of fear does not mean, oh, now I'm ready because I have no fear.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's a load.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's a falsehood, and that's an excuse.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to have fear and go anyways, get help, anyways.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: Now I had one-on-one therapy.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's groups at churches, there's good friends, there's AA meetings, there's 12-step meetings, there's women's meetings, there's men's meetings.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: There is a world of support out there now that you as somebody going through challenge can walk into and get help.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: And the truth of the matter is the true sense of help happens inside you when your dominating ego voice of I can do it, I'm okay, there's nothing wrong with me, I'm fine, surrenders and let's go to the voice that says, I need help.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: The I need help voice is a humility voice.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: The I'm fine voice is an arrogant voice, it's the narcissist voice.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: So the beginning steps of healing happen in that transition of which voice you're listening to.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fine, arrogant, ego control freak, ego.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: I need help, humility.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: And when humility kicks in the I need help position, that's where your divinity is the part that's basically speaking through you.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it's in that spot, it's right there where the beginning phase starts to heal.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's why AA programs are a program of attraction, not promotion.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know the difference?
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: Promotion is Susan tells John, her alcoholic husband, who's been drinking for 40 days or 40 years, John, you need AA.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: John, you need AA, John, you need AA.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Susan is promoting AA to John, or Al Anon, or whatever the on is that somebody might need.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Susan is promoting.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's not attraction.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: John needs to go to AA when John realizes that drinking is killing him, or drinking is killing his life, or drinking is causing everybody else harm.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: When John realizes that, and John says, I need to go, then John is attracted to go.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: And for all of you, good, loving, sweet, kind, overflow, gentle codependents, who think you can rescue and help and make John go, you can't.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: You can't fix John.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: Can't do it.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: And quite honestly, if you if John never hits the bottom and you're the one keeping him from the bottom, you're participating in John's death.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Hear me what I just said.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a brutal thing to say because in your mind, you think you're loving him.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're not.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: And for every human that says John needs to go to AA, that human needs to go to Alan because Al Anon creates a spiritual experience for people that they can separate and they understand that there's a God.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: And the God in them pursues from a place of codependence, moves somebody out of the dominance of codependence, and the God for somebody that's addicted to a substance or alcohol or sex or whatever it is, God separates that.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's where the healing comes in.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: When I went into therapy, what happened was I was scared.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I was scared because it was brand new.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know what to do.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know what to say.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know how I was going to do it.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know I did I wanted to do it right.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: I was afraid I was going to say the wrong thing.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: And about five minutes, three minutes in the door, I realized that all of my fear was made up in my head, complete nonsense, but real for me.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it was the fears that were dominating me that kept me from support.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: But none of the fears were factual, actual anything ever.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because when you work with a professional, that's their job.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: Or if you work in a support group, that's the consciousness of solid support groups, is to embrace and include and nurture that brand new person who can barely freaking stand up and let them be wherever they need to be.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: Let them say whatever they need to say.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times, especially in meetings, and please hear me.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: If you're new here and you need a meeting and you're afraid because you don't know what to say, nobody's gonna ask you to say anything.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: They're not.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Go and sit, just go and sit.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Give it a shot.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: Prove me right or wrong, but give it a shot.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly what happened in Marion's office.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'd have to say a thing.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: Now, of course, I did because she was a pro.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: She would Ask, and I can't remember the details of it.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: We're I'm 60 something now.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is I was 27.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was a while ago.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: But what I do remember is leaving there saying, I'm glad I went.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you would think, could hardly wait to go back.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, fear was the same for a while.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that's okay.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: What I learned after the fact, the fear was because parts of me that didn't want to let go, parts of me that were in control of me, parts of me that were dominating me didn't want to surrender, didn't want to heal.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: They wanted to keep me in pain and angst, as crazy as that sounds.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: So the fear really is part of the growth, it's part of the growing is fear first.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: As that whole process started and continued on, Marion was the one that introduced me to the inner child, the emotional side of self.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: And back to the original state of a we, right?
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: We is human self, divine self, inner self.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: The inner self is where the angst of your pain and the past and all that stuff lives.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm telling you, you can think it doesn't, you can act like it doesn't affect you.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: But if you've got pain of your past and it hasn't been emoted, it's affecting you somehow, somehow.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't mean you have to heal it all to have a good life.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: You might not have to heal any of it to have a good life.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: You might be on this podcast right now saying, nah, he's full of crap.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need any of that because I am good.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that's wonderful if you are.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: But for the people that have a new angst coming up, a new pain coming up, a new confusion coming up, a dark spot, a grieving session, a psychic death, whatever the heck it is that's going on.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's because your feminine side of self is waking up.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: And that feminine side of self has the spiritual sense of you and the emotional sense of you.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: How do we interact with the emotional sense of self, the inner child, as I called it?
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: And the very first thing Marion did to me is she did this visualization that I'm gonna kind of paraphrase a lot of this now.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna do a specific podcast on the real details of what I did to heal the little kid.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: And John Bradshaw taught this.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: If you're if you really are into inner child work and healing the depths, look up John Bradshaw.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now, Mr.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: Bradshaw has passed away, I don't know, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 50 some odd years sober.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: Now, this man was a psychologist and a doctor, and you name it, he had it.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: But there's a visualization that you do, and Marion did it in session with me through hypnosis, where through deep breathing, she walked me down and she had me remember the street I lived on as a child.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: And as my adult, at that point, I was 27, the adult man was walking down the road.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: She said, just walk and see yourself on that road and then see the home you grew up in as a little kid, as a child, whatever it is, whichever home comes to you.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: And she said, if it's scary and you don't want to go in, that's okay.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because a lot of people, when they start thinking about the childhood home, they remember the abuse, they remember the toxicity, they remember the alcoholism, they remember all of that.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're in that spot, stop here.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: Don't go in that house if it's terrifying.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: Do it with therapy.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: But hear me.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: If you're thinking about your childhood home right now and you get this big gut angst in your belly, hello, that angst in your belly, that's your little kid saying, help me.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: But don't do it alone.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: Have someone help you.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: Marion helped me, she did.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I was able to, my my family was not abusive.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: They were more neglectful and abandoning just because they were unconscious, not purposely.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: I walked in and she says, Who do you see there?
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: And lo no, no kidding, I saw myself as a little boy.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, What the heck?
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: And sure enough, I was seven, eight years old.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: I had long curly hair, and that's how it holds the whole thing started.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it was at that point right there, and I didn't really, it was all in my head, and I didn't really know if it was right or wrong, didn't really know if it was real or not.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: And the cool thing about Marion Sessions is that she'd record everything.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: So every night, then afterwards, record on a cassette tape.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: For those of you that are too young to know what a cassette tape is, it's just a little plastic thing with tape on it, and it goes around a circle and you plug it in.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like my kids, they make fun, but yeah, cassette tapes.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: I still have them somewhere.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: Every night I'd listen to that, and every night there was just this undescribable sense of something different every time I did it.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I learned later, I was being introduced to my inner child, and the inner child in me, little boy, seven, and then very quickly, the inner child that I would see as I would visualize or whatever was an 11 or 12-year-old little baseball player.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't very good.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm nothing like my son, but I did it because my friends did it, and it was just one of those things.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so that age in me kind of became my primary inner child, 11 years old.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the part I remembered all the time.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I Marion then was the one that taught me, and I would listen.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then Marion was the one that said, she says, Jojo, think about what you would do if you were a dad of an 11-year-old or 10-year-old.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: How do you nurture a kid?
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: And for you moms out there, you already know how to nurture your children.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: You're giving them baths, you're combing their hair, you're doing those things typically for your own children.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: My question is, are you doing them for yourself?
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: And if you are fabulous, but you probably need to do it a little bit more, especially if you're hurting.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, part of the healing process is not about the dismissal of your external world and your external responsibilities.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: For most of you, you've got full-time jobs, one, two, and three.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: You've got multiple kids, you've got a spouse, whatever, you've got a life.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: And okay, not that I don't care about that, I do.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: But I care more about reminding you that you have to nurture you also.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes first, if that means waking up a little earlier, great.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: If that means doing a little bit less each day so you can give more to yourself, great.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: But it's time for self to nurture self also, not at the exclusion, especially if you've got young kids, but at the inclusion of self.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: Codependence says everybody else first, me last.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's a load because the me last position eventually gets empty, eventually has nothing to offer, eventually feels suppressed and depressed and blames the external world.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, that isn't why.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: The suppressed and depressed is because self doesn't get time with itself.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: You can find, I did it two or three minutes.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: The more practiced you get at, the better you get at it.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: But it's time to start figuring out how to nurture yourself.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not going to go into a lot of it here, but this Marion was the one that also taught me dominant, non-dominant hand writing.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: If you find my book, Your Inner Child Has Rights To.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: I've got an entire book that was channeled through me 30 years ago.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: Where how you give a voice to the deepest part of yourself, I'm right hand dominant.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I would write out a question with my right hand, and then I would let my left hand answer.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: And that left hand was my intuitive sense of self, my little kid, as I called it.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: And it's amazing how over time I would literally for Joe hear adult voice ask a question, little kid voice answer questions like, How are you?
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: And little kid would say, I'm good, or I'm scared, or I'm whatever.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: And when that all happened, right, in that period of time, I wasn't really feeling anything at that point, but I was practicing.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was getting better.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was better.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: That massive void in my belly that almost killed a young man because I was choking him, because I felt so abandoned when my girlfriend of the day was choosing somebody else.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: The part of me that was so hurting and I was so powerless to I went to jail because of that pain wasn't as bad anymore.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: It just wasn't.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: And why was that?
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because the part that was so empty, the part that was so void, the part that was so alone and lost, now I was reclaiming through meditation and through mental, through the mind, but it was a start.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: And it was in that process of where I gave that part of voice, where that part started feeling heard by me, adult me, the adult Joe, the human part of the we was listening to the inner self.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: And every time a part feels listened to, it feels heard.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: And when a part feels heard, it feels loved.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's why in my book I write that love for a child is spelled T-I-M-E, not L-O-V, T-I-M-E.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_01: And when you spend time with yourself, you're loving and nurturing yourself as an adult.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: As you feel spend time with your inner child by doing some of these techniques, that deeper part of you, the depths of you, starts feeling loved.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: It starts feeling heard, it starts, so in turn, it feels nurtured by self and self-worth, how we feel about ourselves, self-worth, grows because when the deeper part of you, remember you're not an individualized me, you're a multidimensional we.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: And some parts of you right now are doing fabulous.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's great.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: I love it for you.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: But for the rest of you who isn't doing so great, right?
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: The rest of you who's got the pains and the angst and the confusions, those are the parts that need a voice.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: And prepare yourself.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Unlike what a lot of the unconscious world says, and even the thought process and the consciousness of not that long ago, when you give a voice to the deeper part of yourself, there is going to be emotion.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: The mad ones, the glad ones, the sad ones, and the scared ones.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: Literally.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: So when you give a voice, you feel emotion.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: Please don't think you're doing anything wrong.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: Please don't think you're a sissy.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Things don't know.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: The emotional expression is what gets it out and causes a healing, like the little boy who falls and scrapes his knee.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: You can tell him his knee's not hurting, but it hurts.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: And he's gonna cry because he's hurting.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same with your inner sense of self.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, my process continued to move on.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: I moved on after four and a half years with Marion.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: I moved on and started working with a woman named Nancy.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: And Nancy was massage.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: So Nancy moved me from my head with Marion to my body with massage with Nancy.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I know that the source is of healing is not your mind.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: Your mind cannot heal your heart.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because your hurting, your hurt is in your heart, not your head.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: Hear me.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: Why can't the mind heal the heart?
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: Because the only reason the heart needs healed is because the heart is hurting.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: If the heart wasn't hurting, you wouldn't be even on this podcast, or you wouldn't be needing to do what I'm talking about here.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_01: To heal the heart, you have to be in the heart.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: How do you get in the heart?
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: You have to feel your feelings.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_01: Because the emotions are where are in your heart, not your head.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: Did I know any of that?
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_01: Clueless, like literally clueless.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: I had no idea.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now you had to drink two bottles of Jack Daniels six nights in a row to feel anything.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I was so dead.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_01: But Nancy got me in there through massage and through talking and through encouraging emotion.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_01: I got to the emotion, all right.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: And eventually I got to it.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_01: My story continues on.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: I moved, I got sober because Nancy said, Joe, if you can't come here sober, if you can't come here without using or drinking, you can't come.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: I used to have a two o'clock session.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: So the wisdom of the day, I moved my session to early in the morning.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: I could make it barely, but I did it.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: And that's all she asked.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_01: And the truth of the matter was when I why would I get stoned every day?
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because it suppressed my emotion.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: Why did I need to get drunk on a Saturday to feel better?
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because I needed to fill a void with alcohol.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: Note to self.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: If you're drinking every day, why?
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's not good for you.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't bring you health, it doesn't nourish your body.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_01: Zero goodness comes from alcohol.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_01: None.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: Zero.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: Why do you do it?
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: What's a habit?
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: Are you addicted?
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: Are you suppressing emotion?
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's the underlying reason.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: Now, why do how do I get to say it?
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because I've been sober for 32 years.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_01: And if I can do it, I can tell others they need to do it too.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_01: Now, most of you here, that's not the issue.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_01: Most of you here, you're fine.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: Most of you here, you're not drinking every day.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_01: When I started slowing down, and then I had my spiritual experience, the 20th day of February, 1994, all compulsions for drugs and alcohol removed.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what the hell?
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: Excuse the French.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: When that emotion, when my biggest suppression mechanism, drugs and alcohol, was removed.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: Guess what happened?
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's right.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_01: Emotion.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: Did I have any idea the quantity of emotion I had inside of me?
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_01: No clue.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: And did I have any idea the reason, the spiritual higher power reason I was moving into Gainesville in a business district?
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, didn't.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_01: Why did I need to?
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because when the emotion came, the rage came, I started raging.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean raging.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're angry, good.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: Is it okay to take your anger out on your kids?
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: On your spouse?
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: On your coworkers?
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: Stop.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's not.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: Is it do you need to get your emotion out?
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_01: How?
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: But I always suggest to people get a plastic bat of the wiffle ball bats, get a bat.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: Find a sacred spot the next time you're mad.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: Take a bat and start beating a bat.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_01: Start beating a pillow and get in a safe place.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: Get in a sacred environment.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: Get in an environment where no one bugs you and bothers you and makes fun of you.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because if people don't know what the hell you're doing, it's gonna look crazy.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna feel crazy, but that's okay.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: The energy and motion, emotion, energy in motion.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: I promise you, if you start getting a bat when you're mad, and instead of yelling at your kids, put them to bed, put them outside, go in your own room and get a get one of these wiffle ball bats and start beating the bed, you watch how over time you're getting your anger out on a pillow instead of your child.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: Why does the difference?
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: What is the what's the difference?
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: Joan, get my anger out.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: Just happens to be on my kid.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: The problem is that's not getting your anger out, that's acting your anger out.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_01: And for any level of conscious human, when you act your anger out on someone else, the consequence isn't relief, it's remorse.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: Hear me.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: When you act your anger out on another human, the reason you're not healing anything, because you're not feeling relief from release.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: You're feeling remorse because you're acting out your anger when you take your anger out on someone else.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: So a technique I learned, now, of course, I would have broken a plastic bat in five minutes.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_01: Most of you, you're fine.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_01: I had a$40 shovel that had a five-foot-long handle.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was in a warehouse.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_01: There wasn't anybody within five miles of me all night long.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I had work gloves, a five-foot-long shovel handle, and I would beat and beat and beat.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: I dated a model at the time.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_01: By this time, she had those eight and a half by 11 pictures of those beauty pictures.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, she had left, gone back to a past relationship.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_01: You can only imagine the angst that made me feel.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_01: And at this time now, I'm the situation with dawn.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in my 20s, I'm 26.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: This time now, later, this woman, her name is Lisa.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in my early 30s.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I actually made it through my 30th birthday.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: Never thought I would.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: So it's three or four years later.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_01: I get sober right before my right after my 31st birthday.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: So this rage is coming out now.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 31, 32.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_01: So you kind of get the time progression.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of rage.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't mean just a little bit of a lot, I mean a lot of rage over and over and over.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_01: Will you have to do that?
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_01: Probably not.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_01: Will most people you know have to do that?
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: Probably not.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a woman listening here, my experience, not all, but my experience are for a lot of women, the safest emotion tends to be sadness, and there's a lot of shame around rage.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_01: Good girls don't get mad, that whole concept.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_01: And for men, rage is the flip of a switch first, and grief is the scary thing.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: And for you big boys out there, stop it.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_01: Stop taking your crap out on your partner.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: In the past five days, I have heard four different amazing women's stories who've told me about the trauma of their male partners.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: Stop it.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a man listening here right now and you're mad, get a freaking bat and beat the bed.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_01: Stop taking it out on your kids.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: And sure as hell, stop taking it out on your female partner.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean that seriously.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're hurting them and killing yourself.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: And it's time.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_01: Is there anything wrong with anger?
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, nothing wrong with it at all.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's the consequence of what we do with the anger that causes the pain, not the emotion called anger.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: What we do with it, when we react and take our anger out on somebody, that's the painful event, the acting out, the spanking of a kid, the slapping of a kid, the cussing at somebody, the sarcasm, the making less than, the making fun of.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's all forms of anger.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying women don't get plenty angry, because you do, but it's an epidemic out there of men who are just freaking clueless.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: The challenge is you're waking up too.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: You've got the same feminine side in you that your counterpart does.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it's time to find healthy ways to get your anger out.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_01: And taking it out on your spouse isn't one of them.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's not.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: Get a bat, be to bed, get the anger out.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because, big boy, you get that anger out, then you're going to face the biggest fears.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when the emotion came.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: True deep grief, or just any level of grief.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: When it happened for me the very first time, I called my counselor Nancy, and I was in absolute despair.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: Nancy, I don't know what's going on.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think I've lost, I think I'm nuts.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I I can't explain it, Nancy.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_01: I just can't explain it.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_01: She says, I said the water's coming out of my eyes, and I can't stop.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_01: And she says to me, and I've said this in other podcasts, she said, Joe, it's true.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: You've lost your mind, but you found your heart.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'll never forget it.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: And for you women out there that grief is easy for, consider yourself lucky.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because the partner who's sitting across from you, if you're married to the macho type man, he's got plenty of grief inside there.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_01: Please understand he's close to it and he doesn't really know how to feel it.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_01: He will.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_01: If you're on a spiritual path, you'll figure it out one way, one how, somehow.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, when it started happening, I use music.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_01: I still use music.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: I talk about Amy Manford's music.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_01: I've been doing this for 35 years.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_01: And when my dad died, I needed help.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: I just needed something to nurture me.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have a partner in my life.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_01: My kids, I'm their dad.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_01: They're not here to nurture me.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_01: So music.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: I still today use music.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's why Miss Manford, this person, I'll remember her forever.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go see her.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna travel to Australia sometime and watch one of her shows because the divinity in her that came out in music just enveloped me.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's me with me in my room here.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_01: But music helped.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: Joe, so music can help you too.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's there for a reason.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: And there are different voices, different songs that touch an emotional side.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so many people will hear the song and then they'll start to cry and they're going, Oh, I can't do that.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_01: I can't, I got no freaking stop it.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's time to let the song play and grieve.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_01: And let it play again and grieve more.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_01: And let it play again and grieve more.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_01: You might have to spend an hour.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_01: Don't think you're gonna get much compassion for me.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_01: I spent seven years.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: You can spend an hour.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you don't grieve, where's that grief going?
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: Going back inside.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it's time to get that grief out.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because suppressed grief causes heaviness.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: Heaviness causes suppression.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_01: Living suppression long enough causes depression.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then they put you on frickin' drugs, which suppress the it's nuts, it's all emotion.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_01: Now, caveat: if you're under medical care and taking drugs, great.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_01: At least you're under care.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_01: But understand the healing process to suppressed emotion that gets labeled as mental illness.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_01: Are you freaking kidding me?
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_01: Mental illness, not mental anything, it's emotional issues suppressed inside.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it's time to get those emotions out.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: What's the mental side of the emotional issue?
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_01: All the voices.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: The voices are the mental side of the emotional issue.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's why you can address the voices all you want, but if you never get to the reason why you have the voices, which is the emotional issues, the voices never go away.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_01: Plenty of people out there get put on drugs because they've got too many voices in their head.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_01: Am I opposed to that?
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, not at all.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_01: Am I telling you to stop?
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely not.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_01: Do whatever your professional care is telling you to do.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm about in addition to get your bat next time you're pissed and be to bed, get some music next time you're sad, and grieve as long as you have to.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because the other side is fantastic.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, why are we doing all of this?
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because you have to.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_01: No one volunteers.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_01: I believe that spiritually, we all came in this time around on a path.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_01: If you're if you can make it through a podcast like this, you are a true spiritual warrior, an absolute warrior.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm talking about stuff that the world doesn't want to hear.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_01: The world can't hear.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_01: But now the world has to hear because humanity is waking up.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: The feminine side of ourselves is waking up with or without your permission.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're on a spiritual path, with or without your permission.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_01: You're outgrowing people you've known for years.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_01: Husbands and wives are going separate directions because they're outgrowing each other.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_01: Jobs are going away.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: Relationships are shifting.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_01: Things are changing.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_01: They're changing in your external world because your internal world is waking up.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's waking up to the feminine side of self.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the glory, the reward associated with it waking up is that the oneness is truly found on the other side of the darkness.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a podcast called Seven Years of Darkness to Walk Out One.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: Listen to it.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's more detail about my story.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_01: Now, did I know any of this?
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have a clue.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_01: Was I pursuing God or divinity or no, not at all?
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, years ago, the word God, the hair on the back of my neck could raise like literally raise.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_01: I hated it.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_01: The only thing I when I would hear that phrase, F you, was all I could ever say.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I hate to say it like that, but that's just my truth.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I was.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_01: And now I call myself a God guy, like literally a God guy.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: And what's the difference?
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_01: When Joe realized after the fact, not before, but after the fact, that the deeper I went through the depths of my emotions, the deeper I went into the inner self, the grander my availability to commune with a higher self.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Hear me.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_01: The deeper I went into my emotional self.
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_01: Now, all of this is in the feminine side of me, right?
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_01: But the deeper I went into the emotional side of self, the deeper I went into my darkness, the deeper I gave voices to the darkest parts of Joe, the deeper I went and got on the other side because I expressed the emotions and I gave a voice to that deeper part, eventually those parts feel okay.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_01: And every time those parts felt okay, what was the reward?
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_01: The reward was a grander communion with a higher sense of me.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what's the difference between a connection with your higher self and a communion with your higher self?
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_01: What's the true difference?
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the connection with your higher self or with God or with Jesus or whatever you're calling it, right?
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_01: A connection with that part is like you and your partner walking down the road holding hands.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: You're connecting, but it's you and your partner.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like if I have a girlfriend someday and she and I are walking and I'm holding her hand, she's her, and I'm me, and we're holding hands and we're connecting through holding hands.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Connection with a higher power is a beautiful thing because most people don't even have that.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_01: But what is communion?
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Communion is when you and your higher power become one thing, oneness.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_01: What's the difference?
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_01: I have a podcast called What's the Difference Between Spirituality and Religion?
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: Religion teaches more about connection with a higher power.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_01: Spirituality is helping people remember the communion with the higher power.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_01: So the difference between connection and communion, in connection, is it beautiful?
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_01: If it's working for you, great.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_01: But in connection, there's still you and a higher power, as if two individualized energies having a relationship, connecting, holding hands together.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_01: What's communion?
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's when you and your higher power become the same thing, it becomes one.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I am happy to say most of my life I live from that place of oneness.
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_01: How do I know?
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because stuff happens effortlessly all the time.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm guided effortlessly all the time.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_01: I could go on and on and on about the abundance in my world.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_01: Was I planning any of this?
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm living my divinity as we're as I'm speaking right now.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I get to project.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_01: If I can, you can.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_01: What the heck?
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_01: I came from a place of complete disconnect, rage.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_01: I almost killed a kid.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was so angry, literally, went to jail because my abandonment and neglect issues were so big.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_01: You're not there.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_01: Most of you aren't there.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_01: So if I can, you can, what did I do?
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_01: I learned how to embrace the depths of myself.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_01: How?
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_01: With help, with professional help.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure you have help, especially if you're guided into the depths.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're not, that's fine.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Most aren't.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_01: But if you are, buckle up.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's not easy and it's not supposed to be easy.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_01: And the reward is fabulous.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'll never forget.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was a visual I had one time where I felt like I was in the middle of the ocean and I'd swim and swim and swim.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I was always swimming and I was always swimming.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't catch my breath.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was always swimming.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then one time I heard the voice that said, Joe, stop swimming.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_01: The answers aren't on the surface.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_01: The answers are in the depth.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'll never forget that day.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_01: And there was a surrender that happened for me that day.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then I that's when I realized that I could live the impossible.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_01: That visual is like I was afraid I was going to drown.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_01: And the visual basically helped me realize that I could live the impossible.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_01: What was it?
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_01: Breathing water.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_01: I could live underwater.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_01: I could live in the depths just as easy as I could live on the surface.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, for most of you, the belief of embracing the depths of your emotional sense of self, it seems like an impossible task.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's not.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_01: I promise you, it's not.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_01: You take it one step at a time, you take it one layer at a time, and you take it to the spot that your path is all about.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Might be a little, might be a lot, but whatever it is, it's yours.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's your spiritual path.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_01: And the reward is true communion.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it's in that sense of communion that we literally start creating the we.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Our humane back to the idea of the we, right?
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_01: The human sense of self.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's the individualized self in all of us.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_01: We each have a human self.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Way back when, when I thought that this concept created in God's image, I said, What the hell does that mean?
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a white guy, my buddy's a black guy, my girlfriend's a tiny little female from Connecticut.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: We don't look anything alike.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: How could we be in the image of God?
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's when I learned later, 10 years later.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I said, I was really slow with a lot of this stuff.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's why it was so hard.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Created in the image of God isn't our physical, it's our spiritual, it's the divinity.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_01: So the we, Joe's concept of a we, your human self.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's the you, the part that brushes your teeth, the part that washes your hair, the part that goes to work, the we.
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  SPEAKER_01: The emotional side of self is your inner emotional you.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's an individualized you in you and your emotional sense of you.
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  SPEAKER_01: But your divinity is the same as my divinity, it's the same as my friend's divinity, it's the same as my kids' divinity.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our divinity is where we share in humanity's perspective of waking up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's how we heal the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: Created in God's image, all of us share the same divinity, and it's inside you, just like it's inside me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Think about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I heard six million podcasts.
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  SPEAKER_01: Six million.
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  SPEAKER_01: How the heck did you find this one, the We podcast?
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  SPEAKER_01: If that's not a miracle within itself, why?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because your divinity brought you here.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do I know?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because it's my divinity speaking as we're talking here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Believe me, I'm a good guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm a nice guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty good, I'm a great dad.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm all those things.
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  SPEAKER_01: But could I do any of this if it was the me doing the talking?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't take credit for any of it because it's not the human Joe, it's the divine Joe talking through.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's why I get to share.
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  SPEAKER_01: If I can, you can.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, how do we heal humanity as more and more of us wake up, as humanity continues to wake up, and the feminine side of all of us is waking up more and more, connecting more and more, and we walk through our darker days.
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  SPEAKER_01: We embrace the depths of ourselves, we find the courage to go into the deep and give answers and give a voice and spend time with self.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you get on the other side of some of the emotional challenges that you're in, the deeper you go into your emotional sense of self, the grander your availability will be to consciously commune with your higher self or your divinity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as people can more and more people commune inside with their divinity, then collectively a group of us all come together.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what's happening on the We podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: The thousands and thousands of people that are downloading this podcast now, literally, I someone just told me this podcast is ranked 17th on the relationship in society and culture.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I think it's really good.
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  SPEAKER_01: How could that be 120 days in?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because divinity is in control, it's not Joe.
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  SPEAKER_01: And your divinity brought you here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And your divinity is listening to my divinity, and your divinity is saying, Yeah, I get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now he's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And no, that doesn't fit.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I say it to everybody, take what works and leave the rest.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not here to tell you, I'm here to tell you my story.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if I can, you can, whatever your can is, whatever it is you're trying to accomplish.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you're doing it because you make it through a podcast like this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And collectively, as more and more of us wake up and commune with our divinity, then as a group, we come together.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then the we goes from the individualized human being to a community of enlightened beings, creating a we as a sense of community.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what the we podcast is: a community of enlightened beings coming together.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as more and more of us do it, more and more of us will do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as more and more of us connect, more and more of us will connect.
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  SPEAKER_01: I said a long time ago, my goal is 100 million downloads a month.
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  SPEAKER_01: I said, How the hell?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why should that be so hard?
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  SPEAKER_01: A click of a button, it goes out to the planet.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's less than 1% of humanity, 100 million people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, here's the story.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Wii podcast reaches 100 million people because all of you are helping me get it out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: 1% turns into 2, 2% turns into 5.
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  SPEAKER_01: You become the light in your community, and then you're going to empower people.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_01: They become the light in their community.
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  SPEAKER_01: Eventually, 10, 20, 30% of people wake up to a grander sense of themselves, and humanity starts healing like the 100 monkey theory.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's what's happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the We podcast is a source of that.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_01: And you are the reason it's happening.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Not Joe, you, everybody listening here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And together we're doing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Together, we're waking up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Together, we're embracing the depths of ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: Together, we're creating a community.
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  SPEAKER_01: And together, we're changing the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: One smile at a time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for being here, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's it for today's episode of the We Podcast.
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• 1:20:49
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