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Dirty Rush: Animal House - The boys take over · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with
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  Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice, Davey Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Dirty Rush. The boys are
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  Speaker 2: taking over today. We're your hosts. I'm Ben Higgins.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm Bob Giddy.
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  Speaker 2: We're giving you the male take on sororities and trying
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  Speaker 2: not to get ourselves in too much trouble. Honestly, we
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  Speaker 2: will not just part of life. We're going to take
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  Speaker 2: a few callers from you listeners out there on your
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  Speaker 2: opinions on sororities from a male perspective. So let's just
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  Speaker 2: dive in. Bob, we're obviously hosting this today. You and
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  Speaker 2: I both have a background in Greek life. Well, for me,
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  Speaker 2: I'll explain that mine wasn't a long or very deep
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  Speaker 2: background in Greek life. However I have, I've been around
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  Speaker 2: my fair share of sororities, and I have been to college,
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  Speaker 2: and so I know what we're talking about today. But Bob,
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  Speaker 2: I think you're out of the two of us, the
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  Speaker 2: expert in Greek life. Give us your background, your resume,
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  Speaker 2: and why you know you were hired on to be
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  Speaker 2: the co host today.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, well, thank you for having me here today, Benjamin,
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  Speaker 1: and for inviting me to be a part of this
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  Speaker 1: illustrious show and this panel of guests that will be
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  Speaker 1: coming along today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was I went to Michigan State University.
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  Speaker 1: I was on a football team at Michigan State, and
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  Speaker 1: I will tell you that I had a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: buddies that were in a fraternity, the Ato House at
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  Speaker 1: Michigan State. And the Atos were a pretty pretty cool
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  Speaker 1: group of dudes, a lot of athletes, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: cool party guys, a lot of face guys, as they
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  Speaker 1: said at the time.
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  Speaker 3: And I decided that that sounded like fun.
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  Speaker 1: Another guy in the football team, who was one of
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  Speaker 1: our middle linebackers, was on the was in this fraternity,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, trust me, I got you.
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  Speaker 3: You have a great experience, will have fun. And I did.
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  Speaker 1: I rushed the house and as a result of that,
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  Speaker 1: I brought in or brought around several of my buddies
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  Speaker 1: who you know, we went there together. Some of us
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  Speaker 1: went there together, and then some of us came in later.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm from an area in the Detroit area called
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  Speaker 1: the Downriver area, and we formed the Downriver six Pack,
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  Speaker 1: which was six of us from the same area in
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  Speaker 1: the same fraternity, and I think of us, four of
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  Speaker 1: us went through Rush together, maybe three of us, and
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  Speaker 1: then the others came through after.
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  Speaker 3: But it was it was pretty cool, man.
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  Speaker 1: We had a really great time, and it made a
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  Speaker 1: very large university, Michigan State University for me as a
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  Speaker 1: result of going, you know, going there and being on
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  Speaker 1: the football team that made it a whole lot smaller,
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  Speaker 1: and then being a part of the fraternity system there
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  Speaker 1: made it even smaller. So I never felt like Michigan
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  Speaker 1: State was an enormous place. In fact, I felt like
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  Speaker 1: it was that much bigger than my hometown because I
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  Speaker 1: felt like I literally knew everybody.
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  Speaker 3: So it was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Well, one thing I need you to do as we
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  Speaker 2: prepare for the callers that we're going to take listeners
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  Speaker 2: to the Dirty Rush podcast that you're gonna be calling
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  Speaker 2: in here to talk about some of the topics that
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  Speaker 2: we're going to be discussing. Just between you and I
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  Speaker 2: here to get us going, I want you to start
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  Speaker 2: thinking about, yes, your time and the fraternity, but also
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  Speaker 2: your relationship to the sororities. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: had much of an interest in sororities when you were
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  Speaker 2: at Michigan State.
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  Speaker 4: But if you did, I had.
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  Speaker 1: A strong interest in them. I'd say strong, too, fiercely strong.
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  Speaker 2: He Bob is a historical genius when it comes to yes,
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  Speaker 2: sororities in the history, what they care about, and who
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  Speaker 2: they are.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I went to Indiana University, a fellow ten school, an amazingution.
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  Speaker 2: I went to Indiana and was very excited about being
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  Speaker 2: a part of Greek life. I went there having great
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  Speaker 2: friendships from home, but also wanting to build new friendships.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of had this voyager mentality where I was
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  Speaker 2: an only child from More Sandy and I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: spread my wings, and so I joined. I think of
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  Speaker 2: fraternity for all the wrong reasons. Not because I necessarily
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  Speaker 2: liked the guys that were part of the house, and
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  Speaker 2: not because I necessarily liked the house itself. It was
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  Speaker 2: because it was the coolest house on campus. It was
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  Speaker 2: the one that everybody wanted to go to. It had
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  Speaker 2: the best party room, which looking back, it was a
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  Speaker 2: very naive decision for me because I've never been a
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  Speaker 2: huge partier. It's not like something that I get jazzed about.
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  Speaker 2: And so the fact that I joined a house that
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  Speaker 2: only partied. Really was a mistake of me of mine.
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  Speaker 2: I joined it with one of my best friends in
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  Speaker 2: the world who went through RUSH, and I never fully
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  Speaker 2: completed it for a few reasons. It was a twenty
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  Speaker 2: eight week long pledgeship, so it took up the whole year,
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  Speaker 2: which was exhausting to be which is crazy to think that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, college is four years and you're going to
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  Speaker 2: spend so much time of it. Kind of being you know,
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  Speaker 2: kicked around as a pledge their ploodship was very difficult.
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  Speaker 2: I went through the whole thing, and with three weeks left,
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  Speaker 2: I have all these stories on the things we had
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  Speaker 2: to do and the things I did to try to
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  Speaker 2: get into that house and be embossed around by people
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  Speaker 2: one year older than me, which I still find to
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  Speaker 2: be the weirdest thing in the world looking back. But
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  Speaker 2: I was diagnosed with mono and had to go home.
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  Speaker 4: For four weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Came back to the last week of pledgship and kind
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  Speaker 2: of got. I mean, I don't want to say bet
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  Speaker 2: up because that sounds a bad I just got they
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  Speaker 2: did not take it easy on me. Long story short,
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  Speaker 2: ended up very sick again from that week and never
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  Speaker 2: fully completed it, however, had great buddies house was over
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  Speaker 2: there many many a times afterwards.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And because of my long standing pledge ship, I had
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  Speaker 2: made good relationships with some of the sororities. I have
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  Speaker 2: amazing stories about sororities and some of the hospitalities they
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  Speaker 2: showed me, which is always a special time to look
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  Speaker 2: back on before bringing our first caller. I know they're
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  Speaker 2: kind of on the line waiting right now. If we
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  Speaker 2: just started this out with your top sororities and kind
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  Speaker 2: of why you liked them, I think that would be
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  Speaker 2: a good way to get this thing kicked off.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, I mean my college experience, my experience,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, was a little different than yours because
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  Speaker 1: I was actually my I was a pledge educator, meaning
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  Speaker 1: I like was the leader of the pledges at one point,
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  Speaker 1: and I was also the social director of our fraternity,
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  Speaker 1: so I got to know all the storties pretty well.
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  Speaker 3: But I was never fine with people being haze or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, how do you.
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  Speaker 1: Expect these people to want to be your friends if
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  Speaker 1: you're in jackass to them? You know, however long the
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  Speaker 1: time and frame it is, So I always had that
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  Speaker 1: kind of mentality going.
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  Speaker 3: So I totally relate to what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I would say, uh, you know, in Michigan
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  Speaker 1: State when I was there, the atls are no longer
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  Speaker 1: on campus, by the way, uh got the boot. But
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  Speaker 1: when I was there, we were probably one of the
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  Speaker 1: more notable party houses uh there as well, And I
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  Speaker 1: would always pick out like the ky Omegas and the
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  Speaker 1: Alpha Kyomegas, the Sigma Kappas and.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, the Alpha Fees uh.
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  Speaker 1: And we partied a lot with the Kappa Kapa Gammas
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  Speaker 1: as well, And so I was a regular at a
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  Speaker 1: lot of those date parties too. So I loved it
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  Speaker 1: because I'd be like, hey, yeah, I was the single guy,
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  Speaker 1: so where are we going.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we're gonna go, you know, to this awesome ski
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  Speaker 3: resort I'm in, you know, And I was. I loved it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, It's super fun.
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  Speaker 1: But those sororities, I think the reasons why we would
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  Speaker 1: typically they were considered the kind of the top houses
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  Speaker 1: on campus, and probably the reasons why we chose to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, have them at our parties and things of
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  Speaker 1: that nature was because a lot of the guys in
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  Speaker 1: the fraternity maybe dated girls in that sorority or.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 1: And so there were you know, relationships that had been
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  Speaker 1: built there from whether they were girl from boyfriend, and
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  Speaker 1: then we became friends with all their friends type of thing.
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  Speaker 1: It just became kind of like this intertwined, you know,
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  Speaker 1: connected group of people. And they were super fun, you know,
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  Speaker 1: always up for a fun event, and they showed up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like that was one of the things too,
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  Speaker 1: Like you have a party as a fraternity on campus,
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  Speaker 1: and the last thing you want is, I believe the
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  Speaker 1: term would be for it to be a sausage fest, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, you don't just want all the dudes
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  Speaker 1: from all the fraternities that are also invited to show
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  Speaker 1: up and none of the women to show up. So
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  Speaker 1: you always wanted the women who would actually show up
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  Speaker 1: and have fun and enjoy the party as well. And
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  Speaker 1: so that was kind of a cool thing I think
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  Speaker 1: about the Stroties that I mentioned was not only were
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  Speaker 1: they you know, super involved in everything that they were doing,
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  Speaker 1: but they were a lot of fun. They were great
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  Speaker 1: to hang out with, great personalities. And then you know,
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  Speaker 1: also they would they would show up in full and
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  Speaker 1: they'd roll on in and the party would would go
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  Speaker 1: up a notch the second they got there. The hardest
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  Speaker 1: part was actually determining which sororities party with that which functions.
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  Speaker 1: So that was always kind of an interesting, you know,
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  Speaker 1: little algorithm I had to figure out too.
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  Speaker 2: The let's be honest, though, Bob, again, we're gonna get
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  Speaker 2: ourselves into trouble today. We do have a collar on
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  Speaker 2: the line that we're going to bring in right now.
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  Speaker 2: The physical attraction also became a theme, like this house
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  Speaker 2: is beautiful, right, or this house is kind of down
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  Speaker 2: my lane, and what I'm physically attracted through that also
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  Speaker 2: played a huge role. And what houses you partied with
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  Speaker 2: and which ones you didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, there was definitely a little bit of that
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  Speaker 1: there too, Probably a lot of that there. But like
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  Speaker 1: I said, you know a lot of times it was
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  Speaker 1: guys in the house maybe were dating girls in that house,
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  Speaker 1: and so you got to know them all and and
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  Speaker 1: the atos in general had impeccable taste, so of course
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  Speaker 1: they were, you know, hanging out with the smoke shows
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  Speaker 1: of that particular time and campus.
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  Speaker 2: The house that I was in is no longer at
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  Speaker 2: Indiana University.
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  Speaker 3: The name of can we ask the name of that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Okay, in most places, it's not very good.
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  Speaker 2: At Indiana University is very good.
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  Speaker 5: I think.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean to sound disrespectfully, but it almost sounds
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  Speaker 1: like something you would need an ointment for.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if you if you suffer from acasha.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a fair statement. I think for
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  Speaker 2: the things that happened in some of the reasons why
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  Speaker 2: that house is no longer on.
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  Speaker 3: Care, I can imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, we have our first caller in uh.
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  Speaker 2: He is not only entrenched into the fraternity life, he also,
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming probably played a role as social chair. Just
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  Speaker 2: looking at this man's face makes me quiver. It is
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  Speaker 2: Brick Rhinestone, join us today.
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  Speaker 6: What's up your pretty faces?
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  Speaker 3: You know? So it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: You and I have often been compared to one another
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  Speaker 1: from our mutual friends. And I was a social chair
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  Speaker 1: in my fraternity and Ben stole it from me when
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  Speaker 1: I said, I was thinking, I bet you Brick Rhinstone
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  Speaker 1: was also the social director of his fraternity, and I
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  Speaker 1: have a feeling you were.
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  Speaker 6: I was not.
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  Speaker 7: You would think I would have a real strong case
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  Speaker 7: for it because I went to school in Kansas and
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  Speaker 7: I came from California, and so I thought I'd be
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  Speaker 7: the big ship when I got there, and I was
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  Speaker 7: quickly put in my place, and.
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  Speaker 6: I was not social chair.
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  Speaker 7: I did get into the house that I wanted to
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  Speaker 7: and still have a lot of those friends, but.
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  Speaker 6: I was not as cool as I thought I was.
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  Speaker 6: I was putting checked pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Really, do you think that's part of why there's a
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  Speaker 2: ploogship with fraternities to put people in there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, listen, Bob and I went to school a
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  Speaker 7: very long time ago, so things have changed.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's much different.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, I do think that when you go through
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  Speaker 7: Rush and you sign a house and you have all
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  Speaker 7: these older actives who obviously have put in their time
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  Speaker 7: and they think that they're the king of the mountain,
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  Speaker 7: and then you get these freshmen that come in and think, oh,
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  Speaker 7: I got into the house that I wanted, this is
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  Speaker 7: going to be so cool. You get put into reality
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  Speaker 7: check pretty quickly about where you are on the totem pole.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's probably healthy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it probably is to a certain degree.
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  Speaker 1: I mean part of it too, is I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you get into like the psyche of some of these
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  Speaker 1: dudes that have been there for a while, and in
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  Speaker 1: their minds, they're like, well, in the military, we break
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  Speaker 1: it down to build you back up. And you're like, well, dude,
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  Speaker 1: you've never been to the military first and foremost, so
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  Speaker 1: what's tell you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: But I do feel like that's kind of what these
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  Speaker 3: guys think they're doing, right.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to reshape you in the mold of what
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  Speaker 1: they want the FRAT to look at, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're here today to talk about sororities. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you feel comfortable talking about the topic of
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  Speaker 2: sororities or if you have much experience, but Bob and
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  Speaker 2: I just kind of went through some of our favorites.
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  Speaker 2: Bob shared his top three favorite houses. Actually, I think
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  Speaker 2: Bob shared about ten places that he enjoyed visiting. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you a similar but different question.
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  Speaker 2: I would love for you to talk about maybe why
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  Speaker 2: you didn't enjoy a certain sorority, like what made you
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  Speaker 2: stay away from them or not invite them to the parties,
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  Speaker 2: and then also talk about what made you enjoy certain sororities,
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  Speaker 2: why you enjoyed being around them. Hey, we've already broached
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  Speaker 2: the subject, obviously. It's college and We cannot at all
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  Speaker 2: skim over the fact that we were all very very
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  Speaker 2: immature people at the time, and physical attraction was a
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  Speaker 2: huge component into why you hung out with certain houses
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  Speaker 2: and you didn't. However, there's other reasons. So let's start,
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  Speaker 2: which was a sorority you stayed away from and why?
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  Speaker 7: This is a loaded question that could come back and
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  Speaker 7: really bite, So I'm just going to answer this politically
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  Speaker 7: that there are certain sororities that we stayed away from
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  Speaker 7: and because they weren't quote unquote the cool or the
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  Speaker 7: beautiful girl rolls. If if somebody found out you were
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  Speaker 7: dating somebody or you hooked up with someone from one
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  Speaker 7: of those sororities, it was kind of looked down upon.
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  Speaker 6: And so I'm not going to name any names, but
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  Speaker 6: we definitely had.
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  Speaker 7: Sororities that were the top tier, and those I would
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  Speaker 7: say that was probably Theta Kyo and Delta Gamma, at
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  Speaker 7: least when I went to school, those were kind of
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  Speaker 7: like the top three. That's where the pretty girls were.
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  Speaker 7: That was where you had house parties with your fraternity.
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  Speaker 7: You would do a joint obviously the sorority and fraternity,
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  Speaker 7: and those were also relatively close to our fraternity, So
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  Speaker 7: it made it very easy getting back and forth going
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  Speaker 7: to those parties.
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  Speaker 6: But I think that once again just kind of like
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  Speaker 6: what we see how it started.
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  Speaker 7: It is that you know, they mold you into the fraternity,
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  Speaker 7: molds you into what they want, and it starts from
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  Speaker 7: day one when you're a pledge and you're going to
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  Speaker 7: do as I say, and this is, you know, kind
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  Speaker 7: of our mantra and this is what we follow, and
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  Speaker 7: then it kind of bleeds into other things, whether it
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  Speaker 7: be sports, whether it be sororities, whether it be you know, academics.
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  Speaker 6: And so I think.
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  Speaker 7: That that was you know, there could have been a
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  Speaker 7: beautiful girl at a lesser sorority, but I probably would
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  Speaker 7: not have done that.
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  Speaker 6: Just because of the.
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  Speaker 7: Backlash that I would have gotten from going out with
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  Speaker 7: that person. And also the fact that we're probably never
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  Speaker 7: going to do a fraternity sorority party with that sorority
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  Speaker 7: would make it more difficult for me in the dating
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  Speaker 7: world or socially if that particular sorority was not going
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  Speaker 7: to be part of my everyday, you know kind of
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  Speaker 7: social life.
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  Speaker 4: Brick.
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  Speaker 2: The interesting thing about Indiana University is it's the greek
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  Speaker 2: life is set up in two places. We have Greek
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  Speaker 2: Grow where you know, you had all the houses on
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  Speaker 2: a street, and then we had Third Street, which had
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  Speaker 2: some of the bigger mansions, and that was across campus.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't a short walk.
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  Speaker 2: It was a twenty five to thirty minute walk to
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  Speaker 2: get from where most of the houses were to Third Street.
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  Speaker 4: But Third Street was where.
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  Speaker 2: Like you wanted to be. Those were the cool houses,
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  Speaker 2: those were the best houses. That was where everything happened.
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  Speaker 2: And I agree with you, Bob, I'm wondering if you
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  Speaker 2: had the same experience. Proximity played a huge role in
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: the kind of universe that we operated in socially, because
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: it was hard for us to convince anybody from thirty
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: minutes away to come down to hang out.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was part of it.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, for us, all the sororities were pretty much
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: on the same street, right so it was basically, you know,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the fraternities were kind.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Of off the beaten path for those.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: But the sororities were all kind of right there, and
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: we were pretty close to the majority of them.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think proximity did.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Play a part because some of the outliers probably just
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: got passed over because they weren't as close like you know,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: you mentioned like the Theta House. Data House was popular
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: house in Michigan State too, but they weren't really near
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: our fraternity comparatively to the others, and so we still
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: did stuff with it, but we probably didn't do stuff
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: with them as much.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: The brick.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: The thing that I found that I'm thinking back on
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: this time that was always very interesting is how quickly
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: when you enter into a fraternity, how quickly the houses
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: get stereotyped. I want to hear, how why the two
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: of you think these houses get stereotyped the way they do. Right,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: we had the house when you mentioned Alpha fees like,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: oh they're very smart, when you talk about the zetas,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Oh they're all blods, like you just had these like
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: stereotypes that were not always true, but it was kind
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of the way that we talked about these houses.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Did you have that same experience.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: I think that it is.
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: Listen, a sorority is, or a fraternity for that matter,
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: is kind of like your group of friends, and you
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: associate or you kind of gravitate towards people that are
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: like you. And so while our friend group is much
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: smaller when you deal with fraternities and sororities, they have
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: an image that they kind of want to uphold, whether
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: they be the academic house or whether they want to
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: be the blonde house, or they want to be the athletes.
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: So they obviously do that to make sure that they
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: keep up that stereotype.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: And I think that that, you know, it makes it
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: easier for you as a freshman that.
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: You can say, Okay, there's ten fraternities that I'm looking at,
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: and this one's a smart one, so I definitely don't
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: fit in there, so I don't want to go to
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: that one. But these are the athletic or these are
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: the good looking guys, or these are the guys who
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: like to party.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: You're gonna you're gonna go.
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: You're gonna lean towards that because you know you're gonna
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: have the most in common. And so I think that's
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: probably the same way with the sororities, although probably women
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: won't tell you that's why, you know, I doesn't matter.
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: All my friends are equal, whether they're the smart ones
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: or not. But I think from my standpoint, that was
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: what led me to the house that I joined, is
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: that this is where I had the most in common
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: with those guys, and and it ended up working great.
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: I you know, I went to school one hundred years
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: ago and I still am great friends.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: I still see them.
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: Every year, and that's probably a testament to how the
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: recruiting or rush operates.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Brick Reinstone, we appreciate you joining us today to talk
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: about your experience in Greek life. It's a pleasure to
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: have you, an honor to have you on the show.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Continue to be you.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: Hey, I'm not done.
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: I want to say I'm wanna tell one story to
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: any of your listeners who may be going to college.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: I'll tell you what the best thing that I did.
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: And some people might frown on it, But when I
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: was in the fraternity and the Theta house was, you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: one of the more popular ones where certainly the pretty
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: girls were, I went down there to be a waiter
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: for the girls, and I'm telling you that might have
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: been the best decision I made in all of college,
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: because you get to interact with the girls on a
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: daily basis.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: It's not out of the bar.
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: It's not like, you know, I want to hook up,
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: but they get to see who you really are, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: you see them every day for two meals a day.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: And I'm telling you I got a lot of dates and.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: Probably more than I deserve and probably more than the
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: Theta house wanted. But being a waiter, if you're going
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: through rush and you're going to be in a fraternity,
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: go down and apply to be a waiter at one
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: of the sororities that you think that you might match
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: up with or hook up with one of the elder
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: than that sorority.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: That's you know what, You're brilliant because the best way
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: to show you care is through service, and what better
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: way to show service? Yeah, yeah, he's He's opening up
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the door for all these little teenage boys entering into college,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: being like I got to apply to serve and Brick
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: your spot on.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: Sounds good, guys, Listen, it was great talking to you.
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: I hope to see those pretty faces very soon.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Love you guys, Well yeah, love that guy.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you can just see it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Brick was one of those guys that all the other
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: fraternity brothers just wanted to be around because he wasn't
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: like slimy, you know, he wasn't excuse. He really did
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: want to make friendships, which I think is very valuable.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: But also to be a guy that the women go, wow,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: he's such a good dude. Goodness, gracious, he did it
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: and he just had ha. Happens to be very some. Also,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: some people have it all. Some people have it all.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Some people are the quarterback at Michigan State. Some people
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: gain seventy five pounds in college and sit on their
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: couch and just waits for friends to come and sit
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: next to me. Anyways, Hey, we have another caller coming up.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: This caller is another person with a deep tie to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Greek life. We're going to talk to him today, Bob,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I really want to find out from him. You know,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Brick is one of those nice guys, and I think
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: the next one's a nice guy too. However, I want
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: to know what he doesn't didn't like about sororities. Like,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I think we need to open this up to give
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: like some clarity and context for why some sororities just
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: weren't chosen to party with the cool kids.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, cool, I like it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Our caller up next is named Tuck. Tuck.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Obviously from knowing this guy, he was one that made
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the rooms brighter, Bob, when he walked in, right like,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the spirit increased, the energy increased.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Tuck Welcome to the podcast.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: My first question to you is when you think of
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: your most iconic story in college, what comes to mind?
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Probably my best was a lot of stuff with graduation.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: So when you graduate, so I went to CALN thirty
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: five thousand people, and you have all these schools that
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: you graduate from, so it takes like two or three weeks.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: So you get a gown, you get a cap, and
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: you go to your own graduation ceremony, but you keep
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: your gown. So I had several people that said, hey,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: come to my graduation and trip and fall down the
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: stairs and all that stuff. And I don't like being
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: told what to do. So I said, sure, i'll go,
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: but I'll do something else. So I went and I
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: joined the economics graduation. There had a bunch of buddies
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: that were in that it was another graduation, and so
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: I sat through the whole thing and then you give
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: a you give a card that says your name because
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: they don't know who you are, and so I gave
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: my name as Joey Buttafuco. When the you know, it
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: was the all that stuff that was going on, So
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: they announced Joey Buttafuco and it was like, what did
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: they just say so it was I had a lot
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: of fun with a graduation gown that was. That was
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: a good story.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: That's a commitment that shows, I mean you were giving
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: up your time.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: My whole life has been a bit.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: I always think about making somebody laugh.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Accomplished.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: The reason we're here today is to give some insight
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: into the male perspective on sororities.
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Looking back at your time uh at the University Cow,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: what sororities stand out to you in your mind of
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: place of places that you had good memories.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: With, Well, I would say pie Fi number one because
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: I married uh my present wife only wife. Uh, she
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: was a pie Fi. I would rank pi Fi probably
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: fourth on houses, but I married her nonetheless.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Uh, kapas were good.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Uh, DG's were good at pi Fi's were probably third,
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: and tried it eats were pretty good.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: We have some themes going on here, Bob, don't We
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: have similar houses that have been mentioned now from you
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: to Brick to Tuck. We have we have a theme
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: going on that some houses stand up above the rest.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Now what houses to you? Tuck? Maybe you look back
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: on without the fond memories.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: And and maybe why did some sorority not click with
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: your house while others did well.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: I should also say I I don't know that the
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: cap is or dgi's talked to me either, So there,
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: you know, there's a there's a scale there that should
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: be noted. I have a bad in my brain. Theda's
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Thetas are bad, you know. So it's right behind Sae House,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: so if you're looking in the backyard, you can see
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: the Theta house, which is bad to begin with. And
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: we had a party with them called upside Down Margarita party,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: and it was like in the I can't remember what
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: it called, the sump or the pit, you know, in
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: the basement where we have this party with girls. It's
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: not above ground, so we always had this party down
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: below upside down Margarita. You can imagine what it was.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Not that that was a bad party. I didn't originate
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: that party, but that was not like Theda's. And that
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: party just didn't seem like a good idea.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: A party experience at college.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of ones that I like look back on,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: and you know, it's kind of like the slam your
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: head against the pillow moments where you're like, goodness, that
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: could have gone really bad, and a bunch of twenty
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: year olds to twenty two year olds with the you know,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: the things available to us, and we were just kind
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: of let loose.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: There there's a lot of things that I choose to
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I think forget, but overall, Tuck. When you look at
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: your experience in Greek life, is it one that you
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: still look back on with fond memories?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: We had just a guest on Brick was telling us
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: that some of his best friends today are still from
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: his fraternity house. He still gets together with them. Obviously
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: it's lasted. He's in his fifties now that long.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Do you have the same experience totally?
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah. First of all, every rule that's in place now
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: for my kids and all the fraternity and sororities parties,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: every rule they have need a wristband, all this stuff,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: no kegs. All this stuff came from my era. Of
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: all the stuff where somebody died or should have died,
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: or can't do this, or you can't light this thing
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: on fire. All those rules you can't do was it
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: was bad? You could do whatever you want. But to
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: answer your question, I have probably you know, text groups
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: of twenty twenty five of these folks that I still
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: connect with. We do these parties every Christmas. Lots of
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: people that we still stay in contact with. And I
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: have two or three that are you know, if something
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: were to happen to me, they would they would fill in,
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: you know, and play play dad for my kids. So
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: very fond memories of these people, and to me, totally
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: worth it. You're just kind of looking for two or
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: three people out of this thing.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, talk.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: The final question I have is then you two might
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: be able to explain it to me. I don't understand
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: this term. There's a question here from our producers that
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: asks did you ever go to a pinning? Did you
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: pin anyone? Is the question? Do you guys know what
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: a pinning is?
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Yep?
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: And the answer is no. I think it's silly, but
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: you're basically just saying, hey, we're girlfriend boyfriend and let's pin.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: We're probably gonna get married. We had a couple of those.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: I think two of them they both got married. But
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: who cares. I got to tell you a really good story.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I got.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: This is like from a fraternity perspective, and Rush, this
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: was probably my all time greatest thing that I did
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: pulled off. There After a while, you get kind of
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: sick of this stuff and you're like, I don't want
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: to do this anymore. You just show up, and so
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: you get bored. And so I came up with this
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: idea that I'm going to make up a fictitious person
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: and I'm going to get this person a bid. So
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: every day I would write this person's name and I,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: you know, I said, whatever, his name is, Ben Higgins
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: from Newport Beach, California water polo player. And then at
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: night you go through and you talk about these people
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: and they say, okay, Ben Higgins, and so I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: I saw him. What a stud six or four, blonde hair,
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: super strong. He's thinking about going to the next doorhouse.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: We got to get him. But this is our guy,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: and so I kept writing his name down and then
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: trying to show him up. You know, where is he
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: we got to meet him. I'm like, he just left.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: He's in the back doing beer bongs with us and stuff.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: And ultimately it got to the point that they're like,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: we don't think that this person exists, you know. So
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: I knew I needed a wingman. So you talked about
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: the people that I that I made friends with. I
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: reached out to my wingman. I'm like, hey, I'm totally
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: made up this guy's name, but I need you to
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: vouch for me. And everybody loves you. So then somebody says,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: has anybody else met Ben Higgins? And my buddy raises
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: his hand, he goes, I have. He's a fucking stud.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: We got. We got to do everything we can to
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: get this guy in and I was like, yes, and uh,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: ultimately this thing got it failed, like we didn't like
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: you write a bit, but I almost got an imaginary person.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: It's to show how silly this is.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Cok.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I got a question for you, So, had you gotten
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: down to the final night. We used to have the
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you know, the pictures would pop up and we'd be like, okay,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: this is you know, you know John Smith or whatever.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So what did you have planned for that in the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: event that it got to that point? Did you guys
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: do the photos and the whole better? Was it just
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: name recognition only?
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: That's that's a very intelligent question. We didn't have photos.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: I mean again, it's just like a notepad. You signed
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: your name so I'm fifty five, So we weren't into
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: the you know, nobody had phones or cameras. Uh yeah,
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: no phones there. You know, you just uh, you just
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: had to kind of wing it. So a lot of
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: it was, hey, we trust you. You're a good person,
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: and I was kind of not doing the best from
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: a trust perspective.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I think that's classic.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: We did polaroids because you and I are about the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: same age, So we did polaroids and we'd pop them
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: up on the screen, and you know, it was kind
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: of like animal.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: House, right.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: It was like, you know that that picture would pop
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: up and people would throw their drinks at the screen
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: or whatever it might be.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: You know, it was ridiculous.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: You know those ski masks that have the holes here
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: and then this. So I'm running around the house like,
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: hey guys, you know I got to run like pretending
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: I was a guy. So probably the best I could do.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: So good.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I can't let you get away from here without asking
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: you. You screwed over the fact that you married somebody that
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: you met in college. Can you tell us more about this?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: And you ranked her house? I hope she listens as
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: the third or fourth. Let's just put an emphasis on
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: that so you can have a great conversation tomorrow.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: About it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: But you met your wife in college. She was a
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: part of a sorority, can you in detail?
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: Yes, I met her. She's a year younger than me.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: We went on a couple for states. I really liked her.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: She was cute, she was funny, she laughed at every
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: single thing I did. And so we went to some
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: date party. We went as Roger Rabbit and Jessica and
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: she says that I went home with somebody else, which
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: is a lie, but apparently she didn't. She didn't want
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: to date me too much longer after that, and so
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: then she went out and dated this boy for Fi Cap,
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: another good house water polo player. He was the best
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: water polo player probably in the country. Cow was really
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: good at water polo player. I would go to his
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: games and I would see her and I'm like, hey,
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: you going to the water polo game and she goes, no,
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: why would, I'm like, cause your boyfriend's a pretty big deal.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: And she didn't care about any of that stuff. And
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: then they broke up, and then we saw her. I
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: saw her coming out of Tahoe and I was bronze blonde,
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: hair ripped, you know, everywhere. And then so we went
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: on a date. Uh and and kind of rekindled our relationship.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: Uh and then ultimately got married and had three three kids,
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: two kids, three kids.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Sorry, uh better, I always forget that one.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's like a middle boy. I have a boy
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: and a girl bus. Sorry boy, girgles, Sorry sorry Tuck.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: You're you're one of a kind.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: We appreciate you coming on.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Thanks for talking to us today, Thanks for giving us
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: your perspective on greek life, sorority life, especially here on
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: the Dirty Rush Podcast.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: Thank you, thanks for chatting with me.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Guys.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Bye bye bye talk.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: It's been in bob here with a Dirty Rush podcast.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: We're having a blast talking to guys about their experiences
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: with sorority life. We're reminiscing, we're learning, and we're growing,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: and we're not done yet.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Until next time. I've been Beto