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[EP 397] The Story of April Wine: Tim Durling Explores the Band's Albums, Hits & Legacy · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: They started sending out kind of feelers to clubs everywhere
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  Speaker 1: they could probably find an address of. There was a
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  Speaker 1: club in Montreal called the laugh In That was one
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  Speaker 1: club that responded. What they got back was sort of
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  Speaker 1: a nicely worded don't call us, we'll call you letter,
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  Speaker 1: but it closed with if you're ever in town, look
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  Speaker 1: us up. They took that to mean that's an invitation.
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  Speaker 1: So they get there and the club owners were like, oh, hi, guys,
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  Speaker 1: like they weren't expecting them. They were not expecting them,
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  Speaker 1: and they said, well, you're here, we'll get you some gigs.
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  Speaker 1: It went on from there. I mean, it could have
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  Speaker 1: been a very different story.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Booked on Rock conversations with authors, musicians
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  Speaker 3: and insiders revealing the stories behind classic rocks, greatest songs, albums,
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  Speaker 3: and artists. I'm Rik Senich. Before we get it started.
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  Speaker 3: right now, onto our returning guest, Tim Durling. He is
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  Speaker 3: the author of on Record, the April Wine Album Review. Tim,
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  Speaker 3: Great to see you again.
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  Speaker 2: Great to see you.
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  Speaker 3: Eric.
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  Speaker 1: Always always a pleasure coming on and I know this
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  Speaker 1: is quite different. There's something quite different this time around.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna thank you before we get into the questions.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for inviting me to be a
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  Speaker 3: part of this book. There's a thrill for me, man,
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  Speaker 3: this is the first for me. You were asking me
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  Speaker 3: before we recorded. You were assuming that, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just assumed you must have been in somebody's book before,
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  Speaker 1: But I guess not.
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  Speaker 2: No. I my pleasure.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 2: It was great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm if I know somebody is a
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  Speaker 1: fan of whoever I'm doing a book on, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: ask them.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a great band. Why choose this particular band?
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  Speaker 3: I know you like the Underdogs. I know you know
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  Speaker 3: you've done Sammy Hagar, You've done Fleetwood Mac. But a
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  Speaker 3: lot of your books. Are those bands that deserve more
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  Speaker 3: intention than they've gotten.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, completely.
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  Speaker 1: I mean in Canada, April Wine is a little bit better,
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  Speaker 1: well quite a bit better known than they would be
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  Speaker 1: in the States. I think in the States they're sort
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  Speaker 1: of they're sort of on that level of a I
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  Speaker 1: can't think of a band that I can compare them to.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, they had a certain amount of success
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  Speaker 1: at the turn of the eighties with harder, faster and
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  Speaker 1: nature of the Beasts, but in Canada, and they had
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  Speaker 1: a really strong run for about you know, fifteen years.
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  Speaker 1: Then they came back and they in the early nineties
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  Speaker 1: and they had another gold record, and you know, they've
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  Speaker 1: been perennial touring band up here. And I just looked
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  Speaker 1: around and you know, like I've said before, and there
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  Speaker 1: didn't seem to be any books like this on April Wine.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact that they've had sixteen studio albums, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's more than most people know, certainly outside of Canada.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I wanted to highlight I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: time that I highlighted them. It's actually the first, you know,
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  Speaker 1: being Canadian myself, it's actually the first Canadian band I've
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  Speaker 1: done a book on but that just it just kind
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  Speaker 1: of works out. And another reason that I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do on an April Wine is that they're about the
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  Speaker 1: only rock band I can think of that that that
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  Speaker 1: went on to some international renown that started in the
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  Speaker 1: eastern most part of Canada, which is where I live.
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  Speaker 1: So there's there's there's roots here in this neck of
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  Speaker 1: the woods in the Atlantic provinces, which is pretty rare.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: There's April Wine and there's Ann Murray. That's about it
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  Speaker 1: as far as like internationally known artists right to come
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  Speaker 1: out of Canada. So I like the band anyway. I
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  Speaker 1: just think it's pretty cool that they've got roots in
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  Speaker 1: this this neck of the you know, neck of the woods,
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  Speaker 1: because most, you know, most big bands that come out
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  Speaker 1: of Canada, they're either from Toronto or Montreal or Vancouver,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the big centers. Now, April Wind did relocate
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  Speaker 1: to Montreal, but they started in Nova Scotia, which is
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  Speaker 1: the next province over.
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  Speaker 3: For me, it's amazing Nova Scotia. Yeah, give us the
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  Speaker 3: April Wine one, oh, one course, because I'm sure people
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  Speaker 3: watching this know the name April One, but they may
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  Speaker 3: not know really much other than the few hits, especially
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  Speaker 3: those here in the States. So how did they form?
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  Speaker 3: When did they form?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they formed all the way back in nineteen sixty nine,
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  Speaker 1: and the band almost completely different than the picture that's
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  Speaker 1: on the cover. Like the picture that's on the cover
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  Speaker 1: of the book is like their best known lineup, the
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  Speaker 1: five piece lineup that was together from seventy eight through
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  Speaker 1: eighty four. But in the beginning, it was Miles Goodwin,
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  Speaker 1: the late Miles Goodwin, who was the main songwriter, lead
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  Speaker 1: singer and guitarist who wrote the majority of April Wind's material.
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  Speaker 1: But he joined a the band that was formed by
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  Speaker 1: three Henmans. So you had Richie Henman on drums, you
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  Speaker 1: had Jim Henman on I think bass, and David Henman
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  Speaker 1: on guitar. And for the life of me, I cannot
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  Speaker 1: get it straight in my head which two of those
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  Speaker 1: guys were brothers and which one was a cousin.
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  Speaker 2: But that's how it works.
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  Speaker 1: So Miles basically joined the Henman's, who had kind of
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  Speaker 1: had an existing thing going, and of course Miles eventually
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  Speaker 1: emerged as the leader and the primary songwriter, and one
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  Speaker 1: by one the Henman's kind of dropped off and then
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  Speaker 1: other people came into the band. So they released their
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  Speaker 1: first album back in nineteen seventy one and as the
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  Speaker 1: first of three albums that came out in Canada only,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't released internationally. Their releases were sporadic in the US.
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  Speaker 1: They had records out on various labels, but it was
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  Speaker 1: not on a consistent basis. What really changed for them
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  Speaker 1: is when they signed a Capitol Records in nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 1: eight and they put an album out called First Glance,
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  Speaker 1: which was actually their seventh album, but that contained the
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  Speaker 1: song Roller, which was their first big hit, and that
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  Speaker 1: got them on some really big tours and from then
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  Speaker 1: on they had a run of albums that were successful
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  Speaker 1: in the US. They had Harder Faster, which I high
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  Speaker 1: liked rock that was a gold record for them in
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  Speaker 1: the US, and then of course their biggest success was
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one with the Nature of the Beast, which
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  Speaker 1: ended up being a million seller. That had signed the
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  Speaker 1: Gypsy Queen and Just Between You and Me, two of
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  Speaker 1: their best known songs there, and because of that in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, they ended up being the very first
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  Speaker 1: Canadian act played on MTV, so on MTV's first day.
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  Speaker 1: I think they played live clips of both of those
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  Speaker 1: songs that I just mentioned. Unfortunately, that US success. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's been said many times. I've said it many times
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  Speaker 1: that it's not easy for Canadian acts to break into
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  Speaker 1: the US and stay there, and it's really difficult only
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  Speaker 1: if you have done it, and April Wine were no exception.
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  Speaker 1: That they had their moment and then it just kind
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  Speaker 1: of became a Canada only thing. Although I'm I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: to report that in the recent months they have gotten
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  Speaker 1: out in front of a lot more people and into
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  Speaker 1: the States because they got that opening slot on the
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  Speaker 1: Triumph re Union tour and I actually caught one of
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  Speaker 1: those shows.
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  Speaker 2: We can get into that later.
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  Speaker 3: Oh cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So so, yeah, they've got sixteen records and you know,
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  Speaker 1: all very different and a lot of different sounds over
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  Speaker 1: the years, like very they changed a lot from you know,
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  Speaker 1: if people think they know two or three songs by
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  Speaker 1: April Wine and they listened to that very first album,
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  Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't even know it was the same band,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's a very different thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Miles has a lot to do with that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Miles was not a primary songwriter on that
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  Speaker 1: first album, nor was he the primary vocalist. So once that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, once that became established, they started to sound
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  Speaker 1: more and more like the band that the majority of
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  Speaker 1: people would come to know. But they're just a good,
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  Speaker 1: solid rock band and they have you know, up here
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  Speaker 1: in Canada, they probably have a dozen songs that are
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  Speaker 1: radio stables on classic radio, be it like hits radio
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  Speaker 1: or rock radio, and they were able to bridge those
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  Speaker 1: two worlds very very successfully. So you know, it's surprising
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  Speaker 1: to me that there hadn't been a book that just
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  Speaker 1: talked about their music. But I'm more than happy to
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  Speaker 1: be the guy that brings it to people.
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  Speaker 2: Although it is a.
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  Speaker 1: Panel discussion book like my Y and T Kansas and
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  Speaker 1: Night range of book where I've got a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: different people contributing yourself included. So I've got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of different opinions and a lot of different points of
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  Speaker 1: view coming in from people that got into the band
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  Speaker 1: way early, people that got into the band way later,
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  Speaker 1: listening to the same music answering the same question. So
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  Speaker 1: it's always great to get those differing opinions in and
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  Speaker 1: I learned some things along the way and always deepens
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  Speaker 1: my appreciation because every time I go to do one
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  Speaker 1: of these books, I've got to, you know, really buckle
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  Speaker 1: down and listen to the catalog a lot and make
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  Speaker 1: sure that at any given time I can answer a
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  Speaker 1: question about any song on any album.
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  Speaker 2: I need to have it, so, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I just I just always like, since I got into
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  Speaker 1: this band, they've always been one of my favorite certainly
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  Speaker 1: Canadian bands, and I think if I was to rate,
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  Speaker 1: they're just one of my favorite bands in general.
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  Speaker 3: One of the most fascinating stories in the book is
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  Speaker 3: that April Wine's career may have taken off because of
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  Speaker 3: a misread letter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this band was you know, they formed
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  Speaker 1: in Waverly, Nova, Scotia, which is outside of Halifax. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Halifax is a pretty big Canadian city, a lot of people,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of big bands. If they play
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  Speaker 1: the East coast of Canada, if they play east of Montreal,
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  Speaker 1: Halifax is usually where they play. But you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: a smaller circuit. So they wanted to branch out, so
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  Speaker 1: they started sending out kind of feelers to clubs everywhere
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  Speaker 1: they could probably find an address of. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is nineteen seventy, so it's not like you could just
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  Speaker 1: go online and you know. So I don't know where that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, industry trade publications, but whatever it is that
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  Speaker 1: there was a club in Montreal called the laugh In
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  Speaker 1: and that was one club that responded to them. Now,
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  Speaker 1: from what I'm what I've read, my understanding is that
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  Speaker 1: what they got back was sort of a nicely worded
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  Speaker 1: don't call us, we'll call you letter, but it closed
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  Speaker 1: with if you're ever in town, look us up. And
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  Speaker 1: they took that to mean that's an invitation. So they
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  Speaker 1: all piled in. I'm picturing an old like Ford'icona line van,
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  Speaker 1: no windows. They just piled into that thing with drums
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  Speaker 1: and guitars and amps and and and Halifax to Montreal
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  Speaker 1: is not a short drive, so I don't I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how long it would be. Somebody out there can
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  Speaker 1: do the math, but they would have had to make
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stops for gas and bathroom brakes.
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  Speaker 2: And all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So they get there and the club owners were like, oh, hi, guys,
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  Speaker 1: like they weren't expecting them. They were not expecting them,
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  Speaker 1: so but they kind of took pity on them, put
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  Speaker 1: them up and they said, well you're here, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and they play, you know, we'll give you, we'll get
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  Speaker 1: you some gigs, and it went on from there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it could have been a very different story, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean Montreal kind of became their adopted hometown at
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  Speaker 1: that point. Even all the way through the early part
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  Speaker 1: of the eighties, they were thought of as a Montreal band.
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  Speaker 1: But we here in the East Coast, we know. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's how it started. It was a missing you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of a misunderstanding. Yeah, yeah, I bet
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of probably a lot of rock and
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  Speaker 1: roll stories start that way, you know, some unexpected thing
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  Speaker 1: happens or something something is misunderstood. Like one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite little bits of information.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why I.
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  Speaker 1: Always think of this, but Electric Light Orchestra their their
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  Speaker 1: very first album is self titled. It's called Electric Light Orchestra.
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  Speaker 1: But if you get early copies of it that came
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  Speaker 1: out in North America, it's called No Answer.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The reason that it's called No Answer is somebody from
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  Speaker 1: the UK was calling the the US record label and
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  Speaker 1: sing what or maybe it was the other way around.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody from the US was calling the UK label, think
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  Speaker 1: what is the record called? And they didn't hear anything.
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  Speaker 1: Because No, No Answer, that's what they called the album.
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  Speaker 1: They thought they said no the album's called No Answer,
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  Speaker 1: but loved the story. It was literally no Answer. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why you get some copies of it that don't
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  Speaker 1: have any title and something to do.
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  Speaker 3: Many fans they point to seventy five. Stand Back is
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  Speaker 3: the album where the band really they find their identity.
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  Speaker 3: But let's first talk about the three the first three albums,
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  Speaker 3: so the seventy one debut on record from seventy two
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  Speaker 3: and Electric Jools from seventy three. So you know, if
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  Speaker 3: somebody only knows April Wine from their late seventies early
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  Speaker 3: eighties hits, would you recommend they start with these first
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  Speaker 3: three or jump ahead then come back.
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  Speaker 1: I'd say start. If you want to listen to an
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  Speaker 1: older album, I'd say start with stand Back, because, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, those first three albums, especially that first one,
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  Speaker 1: they're very eclectic. First one's very folky in places and
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  Speaker 1: very eclectic, and it sounds like it sounds like what
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  Speaker 1: it is. It's a bunch of guys in the studio
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  Speaker 1: for the first time, they don't really know what kind
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  Speaker 1: of band they want to be, and they're very much
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  Speaker 1: wearing their influences on their sleeves. There's everything from Crosby
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  Speaker 1: Still's a Nash to you know, there's probably there's Hendrix,
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  Speaker 1: there's Zeppelin, there's Moody Blues, there's all kinds of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not you know, young bands don't always hide
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  Speaker 1: their influences very well.
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  Speaker 2: It's very obvious.
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  Speaker 1: So what you end up with is a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: songs you're like, well, what kind of band are they
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  Speaker 1: trying to be? And like I said, Miles Goodwin being
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  Speaker 1: the recognizable vocal, he only sings I think on three
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  Speaker 1: songs on this record, I think David Henman sings. It's
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  Speaker 1: either David or Jimmy that sings lead on most of it.
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  Speaker 1: So it doesn't sound like April Yane either. It's like
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  Speaker 1: listening to the first three Journey albums where Greg Rawley
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  Speaker 1: is the singer. If you didn't know his voice, you'd
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  Speaker 1: be like, who is This doesn't sound like Journey. But
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  Speaker 1: there's one song on the first album that did get
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  Speaker 1: them some airplay in Canada and Lo and Behold It
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  Speaker 1: to Miles a Goodwood song called fast Train. And it's
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  Speaker 1: a pretty cool little song and it's the only song
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  Speaker 1: that went on to have any kind of life on
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  Speaker 1: compilations and things like that. So that was a minor
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  Speaker 1: hit in Canada and that was probably enough for their
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  Speaker 1: label to say, Okay, let's give them another shot, and
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: so the second April Wye album in Canada was called
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  Speaker 1: on Record. In the US, it was the first thing that.
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  Speaker 2: People got to taste stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot of people think it's their debut album
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  Speaker 1: because it was released in the US with a different
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  Speaker 1: cover and it's just self titled. And right off the bat,
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  Speaker 1: they scored a hit with their cover of a hot
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  Speaker 1: chocolate song called you Could Have Been a Lady Now.
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  Speaker 1: This song went all the way to number two in
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  Speaker 1: Canada and it's one of their big hits ever. In
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  Speaker 1: the US, it peaked at thirty one or thirty two,
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  Speaker 1: so it actually did break the top forty in the US,
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  Speaker 1: which is pretty rare for a Canadian band. It was
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  Speaker 1: on a smaller label called Big Tree Records, and unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: at that point they did not.
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  Speaker 2: Tour to support that album.
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  Speaker 1: That could have gotten them into the States, it could
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  Speaker 1: have gotten them on I'm thinking of Don Kirshner's Rock Concert,
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  Speaker 1: the End Concert, like the Dick Clark thing, like Kiss
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  Speaker 1: appeared on many times.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it would have.
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  Speaker 1: Gotten them in front of American audiences, they could have
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  Speaker 1: gotten on a tour, but they went right back in
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  Speaker 1: the studio and they ended up with their third album,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Electric Jewels, which was the second of their albums that
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  Speaker 1: only came out in Canada. Now a lot of diehard
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: April Line fans, longtime fans, will point to Electric Jewels
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  Speaker 1: as their favorite album, and it's a pretty cool little album.
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  Speaker 1: It's still kind of eclectic, but you are inching more
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  Speaker 1: towards the sound that they would become known for, most
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  Speaker 1: notably because by now all of the Henman's have left,
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  Speaker 1: all of those folky influencers are gone. So you've got
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  Speaker 1: Miles Goodwin, and then you've got a guy named Jim
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  Speaker 1: Clinch who joined on the second album on bass and
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  Speaker 1: co lead vocals. And then on another guitar, you've got
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  Speaker 1: Gary Moffin on the drums. You've got Jerry Mercer. So
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  Speaker 1: now you've got three guys that are in the best
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: known lineup. So it's starting to take shape as far
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: as the lineup that most people would know. But again,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: that album didn't come out in the States for whatever reason.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Then they put out a live album, which only came
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: out in Canada. Then they put out stand Back, which
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: is probably their first I'm gonna say it's their first
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: really really good album. Stand Back was a huge success
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: here in Canada. I think it's a double platinum album
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: at least.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: Can you clarify something because I read it was double
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: platinum selling over two hundred thousand copies. Is Canada different
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: on the measures? Yes?
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, if you think about population, Our record sales are
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: a tenth.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Of US record sales.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: So fifty thousand copies of a record sold as gold
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: and one hundred thousand is platinum because in the US, yeah,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: it's ten times that.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, US five hundred thousand gold, Yeah, one million platinum.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: It's just based it's simply based on population, right. We
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: don't have anywhere near the population. So if you sell
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: a million albums, if you sell a million of copies
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: of one album in Canada, that's a diamond album, whereas
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: you have to sell ten million in the US to
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: get a diamond album.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but no matter how you look at it,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: it was a big album and it had several radio
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: hits on it and one of the all time April
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Wine anthems what a Night comes off of Standback opens
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the album. Unfortunately, that's an album that again, it came
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: out on Big Tree Records, which was a very very
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: small division of Atlantic Records, or was distributed by Atlantic Records.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: About the only other group I can think of that
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: was on Big Tree Records that had any success was
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: England Dan and john Ford Coley, who had a lot
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: of like they get played on the yacht rock stations
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: now right like they had like I'd Really Love to
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: See You at Night and Nights U Forever and songs
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: like that. But stand Back I it. It got reissued
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: in the US in the early eighties on Atlantic. You
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: can find Atlantic versions of it, and I always look
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: at it and think, boy, it's too bad they weren't
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: on Atlantic from the get go, because they might have
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: had because this is a huge album in Canada. It's
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: one of the first ones people talk about. It's the
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: you know, it's the four guys in the band standing
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: behind a cannon. And for somebody like me that goes
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: to a lot of record shows and does a lot
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: of create digging, I see stand Back all the time.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: So obviously that record got into a lot of homes
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: in Canada. Unfortunately wasn't the case in the States, but
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: they kept on going. There was a lineup changed. Jim
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Clintch left. They got a guy named Steve Langen on
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: base again. We're inching closer to the best known lineup.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Got an album called The Whole World's Going Crazy, which
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: was a number one record here in Canada. It shipped
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: platinum based on how successful Standback was, but it didn't
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: have the staying power. It's just not as good a
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: record a stand Back. It's okay and I think you're
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: in that chapter.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, that and the following Jeck and yeah.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Then it really gets eclectic with again. Another record that
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: didn't get released in the States Forever for Now. And
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons that didn't get released in the
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: States is because some of those songs ended up on
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the US version and the international version of the Whole
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: World's Going Crazy. If it sounds a little confusing, it's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: all in the book. Then they do something that got
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: them a little bit of notoriety because they ended up
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: opening a week's worth of club shows for a band
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: called the Cockroaches in nineteen seventy seven at this famous
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: club in Toronto, called the al Macambo. Well, the cockroaches
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: were the Rolling Stones incognito, and so that was commemorated
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: with a second April Wine livelbum called Live at the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Alma Combo. Parts of that show came out on The
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Rolling Stones Love You Live, and I think in recent
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: years the entire Alma Combo Stones performance was released. I'm
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure about that, but yeah, that
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: was that was very high procede. It didn't do anything
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: for them long term, but obviously it's a memory those
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: guys will always.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Have, right now. Yeah, cool, they got to that.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: They were the cover that you know, people were coming
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: to see them, but ladies and gentlemen, the Rolling Stones
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: right in the small little club.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Right by the way. What's the story behind the name
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: April Wine.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: To me, it was just they're throwing words around. It
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: really doesn't mean anything. It just seemed to have a
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: ring to it, and I can only guess that the
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that the reason, the fact that they were called April
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Wine is the reason why that first album cover has
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: such a terrible album cover, which is a pair of
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: feet on it, because of course, you know, you can
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: stop grapes with your feet to.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Make wine but other than that, I have no idea.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: It has a ring to it.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: And I will say that it was around this time too,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: that in nineteen seventy eight a couple of things happened.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: They signed a worldwide deal with Capital Emi, so that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: meant they had one label all over the world, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: this was the first time that this had happened. They
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: also got a fifth member in the band, Brian Greenway,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: who was another guitar player. He could also sing and
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: he played harmonica. So now they have the five piece
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: lineup that most people would know recognizes April Wine. These
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: five guys and Brian was a huge asset because now
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: they had three lead guitar players, and they would use
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: those three lead guitar players to great advantage. Anybody the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: turd roller and knows that song You've got the no
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: It goes back and forth and it's awesome every time.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I can never get tired of that. And they made
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a decision to kind of put the pedal down a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: little bit. They were never a metal band, but they
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: they decided to rock a little harder and concentrate on
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: that rather than be as eclectic as they had been
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: in the past. That's one of the things that makes
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: stand Back such a good record because it's pretty much
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: a rocking record all the way through. I think that's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: why that's so beloved. But so yeah, they were they
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: put First Glance out. Now, it was not a hit
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: right away and it took about a year. But there
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: was a radio station in Flint, Michigan. And I love
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: these stories because they don't happen anymore because of radio
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: chains and stuff. But this one station in Flint, Michigan
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: started playing Roller and started getting requests for it. Next thing,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you know, Capital starts putting some marketing muscle behind the album.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: They're opening for Rush, they're opening for Sticks. You know,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: they're getting out there in front of a bunch of people.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: First Glance is probably one of those albums that's teetering
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: on gold and maybe if there was a recertification, maybe
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: gold because Roller was a top forty single was thirty four, Yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: second of three top forty singles they had in the state.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: It's obviously in Canada there were quite a few more.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: So that kind of set them on their way and
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: not wanting And the other thing that happened with the
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: US release of First Glance because it originally came out
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: in Canada with what I think is kind of a
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: crappy cover, but in the US they put a cool
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: like van shot and they also somebody came up with
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: what I think is one of the coolest band logos ever.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I've always really liked the April Wine logo, so that's
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: their identification, right.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: They followed that up with Harder Faster at.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: The end of nineteen seventy nine, which, like I said,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: was a gold record in the States. That's one of
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: their most beloved albums. I Liked to Rock was a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: radio hit. It wasn't a successful single, but it was
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: a radio hit rock radio was playing at That album
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: also contains their cover of King Crimson's twenty first Century
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Schizoid Man, which I absolutely love. And so they were
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: getting they were getting.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Over the UK and playing then.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Actually that's right, they played at the Castle Donnington in
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty So anybody that has that album, that Castle
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Donnington album, it's got a couple of Rainbow songs, it's
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: got a couple Scorpions songs, and it's got a live version.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Of I Like to Rock, So they actually.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Are on that album. Then they followed up in nineteen
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: eighty one with their biggest album, The Nature of the Beast.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: That's a platinum record in the US. It had just
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Between You and Me, which was their biggest single in
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the States. I think it went to number twenty four,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty three, something like that, and then signed
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: The Gypsy Queen, which wasn't a top forty single, but
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: it was probably their biggest rock radio hit, and that
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: was a big album for them. They followed it up
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: with Powerplay in eighty two, which had a big Canadian
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: hit called Enough Is Enough, but in the States it
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: didn't hit the top forty. That was their last big
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: US tour, I think too. And then in eighty four
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: they put an Animal Grace, which was that successful it
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: only went gold in Canada, and they went on what
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: was going to be their farewell tour at the time,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and then they were pretty much dormant for eight years,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and then they reunited in a slightly different lineup in
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the early nineties. They put out a couple of records
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and then they've unfortunately since then they only put out
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: two more albums. They haven't There hasn't been an April
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Wine album in twenty years, but that's kind of their
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: history and along the way. You know, they've never really
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: left the radio airwaves in Canada. Are people still want
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to hear those songs?
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Sure? And sadly Miles passed in twenty twenty three.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've lost a few members. Jim Clinch the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: second basis they had. He passed away I think in
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: twenty ten, and Steve Lang passed away after that. They've
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: lost both two of their bass players and then Yeat
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: at the end of twenty twenty three, Miles died. Miles
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: was a lifelong diabetic. He suffered with that and balanced
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that with the touring light, which is not easy, but
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: eventually he succumbed to it. And yeah, the band soldiers on.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: And Brian Greenway he's not an original member, but he's
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the senior member and he leads the current version of
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that band today.
• 26:12
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• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Rewinding back to seventy six, I want to ask you
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: about Miles, because you make this common in the book
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: for the Whole World's Going Crazy. The B side Goodie
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: two Shoes was originally going to be the title of
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Miles Goodwin.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Soul Yes, which came Forever Ever Now, Yeah, right, Forever
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: for Now is a very very eclectic album. I actually
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: don't know how much the April Wine band plays on it.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I think it was an eleventh hour decision to call
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: it an April Wine album, because though they weren't huge
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: at this point, there was still more marketability in the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: name April Wine than Miles Goodwin.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: As a solo artist.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: So I don't think he was planning on leaving the band.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I think he just wanted to do a solo album
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: because one of just wanted to get songs out of
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: his system that didn't really fit the band format, and
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: they didn't.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: You mean you've heard the record, It doesn't.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I agree. John Allipik, one of the contributors,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: said that Forever for Now should have been a Miles
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Goodwin solo album, but.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: There was simply more marketability in calling it an April
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Wine album. Although I don't know if it you know,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: there's two ways of looking at that. They got really
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: lucky with that album in Canada because it had a
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: song on it CLK you Won't Dance with Me, which
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: is sort of like this fifties duop ballad, and it
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: became a huge hit in Canada. I think it was
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a top five single and that drove the sales of
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that album. That's the only reason anybody bought that album.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: But it didn't do anything for their reputation. And like
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I said, it did not come out in the States.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: They took a couple songs from it and put it
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: on put them on the Whole World's Going Crazy, the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: London release that came out in most of the world. Yeah,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and I think that's one of the reasons. Like when
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: they did sign with Capitol, I would imagine the label
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: had a lot to do with saying, Okay, don't get
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: weird on us, just write some good rock songs.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: On record. The April Wine album review Tim Dirling, the author,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Roller was their breakthrough here in America, But I want
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: to ask about it. I liked to rock. That may
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: be my favorite of all of them. Is this where
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: all the pieces finally click for April Wine or on
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: this point?
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Roller was a good test runner. The
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: first Glance album was a really good test run for
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: this new lineup. Harder Faster was the second album that
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: this this best known lineup did, and I think they're
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: firing on all cylinders. It's not a long album, it's
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: only got eight songs on it, but I just think
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: it's a killer from start to finish. Yeah, I like
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to rock as a minor.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: It's like a lot of the April Wind songs. It
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: sounds like a three chord rock song, but it's actually
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: more complicated once you break it down and actually start
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to play it. It's got
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: some tricky time signatures in it.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: They do that a lot.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: They would throw these little tricky things into it. It's
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: got that cool mid section where it stops down and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: it's just got the bass and the bass drum. It
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: does the little nod at the end where one guitar
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: starts playing the riff the day Tripper, and then another
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: guitar starts playing Satisfaction, I Love really well Together, and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: then the third guitar just goes into the I like
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to Rock theme.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's cool. That's a nod to their influences.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Their influences, and in later years I've seen them do this,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: they will actually do a bit of each of those
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: songs before finishing up.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: That's cool. Yeah, Yeah, that's such a great way to
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: end the song. And that song's really well known here
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: in the States.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a big FM song here and of
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: course you know the album that's that's probably the main
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: reason why that's a gold record in the States. So
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: that was a big record for them. That's fairly easy
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: one to find.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember what the comments were on that song.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I'm looking through the book to find.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I think most people generally like that song. And one
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: thing I always likes, as someone who's also a big
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Rush fan, that album. Both of those bands at that
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: time were recording at a place called the Studio, which
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: was in Moron Heights, Quebec, and anyone who's seen the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Rush videos for Tom Sawyer or Limelight will recognize that
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: room that they're playing in, but the windows are open
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: and it's wintertime. But if you see, if you watch
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the I Liked Rock video, it's in the same room,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: but it's summertime, but you can tell that's the exact
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: same room. I just I like that that contrast, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I also love both bands. But yeah, it's a great song.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those you will you'll never
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: go to an April Wine show and not here I
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Like to Rock?
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, did you say here? I Like to Rock is
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: a minor epic.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I say minor because it's it's like
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: four and a half minutes in change. It's not an
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: overly long song, but it goes through a lot of
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: changes in its duration.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Hard or faster. Platinum in Canada, gold in the US.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: He Won's The Nature of the Beast, first platinum selling
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: album the US, two times platinum in Canada, sixty four
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: in the US twenty five and Canada. Just between You
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: and Me, that's another big one.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Miles was really good at writing ballads, like he could
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: write He could write rock songs, but he could write ballads.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: But one thing about just Between You and Me I've
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: always loved is like there's no piano or keyboards in
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: that song. There's no acoustic guitar. It's all electric guitars
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: all the way through.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: One thing that struck me in this chapter is that
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: after nearly a decade of grinding it out, April Wine
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: finally has a platinum album here in America. But this
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: would mark their peak commercially. Do you think the Nature
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: of the Beast represents a success story or a missed
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: opportunity for band that could have become even bigger?
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Well, that's that's a weird one. I mean, I totally
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: think it's deserving of being, you know, of its success.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I just I just feel like it's again a recertification.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: It might have sold more because there's never been any
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: certifications done on April Wine in the US, according to
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: RIA dot Com since nineteen eighty two, so you know
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: it has it sold another million because I know that.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I know I've heard Sign of the Gypsy Queen and
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Just Between You and Me on US radio in the nineties,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: you know, at least, so those songs still get some airplay.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: So it just seems to me like they should have
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: sold more. It feels like they sold more than they're
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: actually been, you know, credited for. They're not the only
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: band that that's happened to.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Well, that happened with First Glance, Right, they have actually
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: sold another may or may.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Not be a gold record, the fact that it had
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Roller on it, I find it hard to believe that's
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: not a gold record, right. If it's not, it's got
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: to be right on the doorstep of it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Doesn't that oversight just capture April Wind's career, like just
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: hugely successful, incredibly respected, but somehow still underrated outside of Canada, And.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Even in Canada. They're one of those bands that they've
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: got a back catalog which hasn't gotten the TLC that
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: it deserves. In my opinion, most classic bands, at least
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: their biggest period is there's reissues, you know, with bonus
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: tracks and you know, the like in April Wind's case,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: they have at least six songs that were B sides
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: over the years, six completely different songs that didn't appear
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: on any one of their albums that if you don't
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: have the forty five that they were on, that's the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: only place that they exist. They've never been on any
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of the CD issues that the albums that the singles
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: came off of.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: There are live.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Songs that have been released as B sides that have
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: never been officially released on CD. There are alternate mixes
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: of April Wind songs. They're a band that I don't
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: know who owns their catalog now, but it's in dire
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: need of a you know, another look a refit, And
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: it's just a shame because there's a lot of good
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: stuff there. I mean, you could almost just put out
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: a single, I'm going to say, a single disc of
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: B sides, alternate mixes, and live tracks that have never
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: been on a CD before, never even been on a
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: cassette before. And I think people would, you know, diehard
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: fans would be like, finally, not just another compilation of
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: songs that I've already got. So it's just a shame
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: that it's kind of the catalysts kind of in my opinion, languishing.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you want it to be easily accessible for
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: people to find.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: It, you know people, you know, people might criticize somebody
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: like Jimmy Page because how many times has he gone
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: back to the well and reissued all those Zeppelin albums,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: But April Wine needs somebody.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Like that, but it's introducing it to a new generation. Yeah,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: so the one the generation that's already aware of it.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: They can say that, but they're ignoring the fact that
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: there's a whole younger generation of fans that have never
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: listened to these albums. Yeah, that's why you do it,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: reintroduce music.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: So if somebody came to you and said, I only
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: have time to listen to one April Wine album on
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: a road trip, would you hand them Harder Faster or
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: would you still point them to the Nature of the
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Beast and.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Why, Oh I'd give them Harder Faster. Okay, yeah, yeah,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I give.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Them Harder Faster. I think Harder Faster is percentage wise
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the better album. I think Nature of the Beast is
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: a great album. I just think that Harder Faster is
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: more direct, it's more concise, and you know, if you
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: listen to that album and you don't like it, I
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: don't think there's any need to go any further. Okay,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I just think I just think Harder Faster is. It's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: probably the best distillation of why people talk about April Wine.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: They're just a great rock band. It's one of their
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: heavier albums too, and it does make for a good
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: car trip.
• 36:22
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• 36:25
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• 36:55
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• 36:59
  Speaker 3: to the show. Nineteen eighty two's Powerplay features Enough Is
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Enough and Tell Me Why. Both did well on the charts,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: peaked at thirty four in Canada sixty two in the US,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: respectable number when platinum in Canada couldn't reach gold in
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: the US, but still did well, and then from there
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four's Animal Grace thirty four in Canada, sixty
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: two in the US, walking Through Fire in eighty five
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: one seventy four in the US, didn't chart in Canada.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: If The Nature of the Beast was Zaperwine's commercial peak,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: what do Powerplay, Animal Grace and Walking Through Fire reveal
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: about the band's determination to keep evolving rather than simply
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: trying to recreate past success.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Well, power Play, I Think Enough is Enough is a
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: dynamite single. It went all the way to eleven in Canada.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: It's one of their radio staples, and it's still one
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: of their best known songs here. It peaked at fifty
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: in the US, which is interesting. That tells me it
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: got a fair bit of airplay, and I know the
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: video got played on MTV.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: It's a silly video, like a lot of.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Early eighties videos, driving around in a semi and miles
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: of singing into the CB at one point. But I
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: think it's a great song. The problem is with Powerplay,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it's a much lighter album than harder, faster and Nature.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Of the Beast.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: They took the foot off the accelerator just a little bit.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: There are some rockers on that album, but there's an
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: awful lot of mellow stuff.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Or just poppier stuff.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: And I don't think they had a slam dunk follow up.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Second single like if enough is enough was just between
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you and me. They didn't have a sign on the
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: sign of the Gypsy Queen on Power Play. I think
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: it's probably sold, you know, I'm gonna guess about three
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand copies in the States. That's another one that
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I've been told. You see quite a few copies of that.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: It still went platinum in Canada, but it didn't keep
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the momentum going. And I really don't understand why, because
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: it's not like there's a long gap. So Nature of
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the Beast came out in January of nineteen eighty one,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Power Play came out in April of nineteen eighty two.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: They didn't keep they.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Weren't out of the seen very long, and they had
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: a new album out, so who knows. And I think
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: if that album had at least gone gold, there might
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: have been more. They might have gotten more of a
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: foot in the ground, you know, a foothold in the US,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: but they just didn't hold onto it for that long.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Animal Grace, now I have a soft spot for Animal Grace,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: but I would never send someone to listen to that
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: album first, because the first thing they're going to say
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: is it sounds incredibly dated, especially the drums. It's it sounds.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: It's got that sort of pyromania askue drum sound without
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: everything else that made that album amazing. Now I think there's.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: A Judas Priest turbo Is this there?
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe the Coverlet look at the well.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, here's another problem I have is that, like I said,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: they've got one of the coolest logos and they don't
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: use it. Kansas did the same thing with Audio Visions,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: and not audio Visions but Vinyl Confessions and Drastic Measures.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: You've got a logo, use it, but they didn't use
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: it for this. I don't think there's anything wrong with
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: the cover concept, but yeah, it's very electronic sounding. It's
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the last album that those five guys were on. They
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: weren't getting along and there were no big singles off
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: that album. Even though the first track on that album
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: and the first single this could be the right one
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I think could have been a hit. I think it
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: peaked at fifty eight in the US. It's got a
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: really it's got a really expensive looking video that doesn't
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. But walking through Fire is
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: another story altogether, because at the end of eighty four,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: like during eighty four, April Wine basically toured Canada one
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: last time and called it a day. But Miles ode
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Capital one more record. Now that's why that's the only
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: reason Walking Through Fire exists. It is your stereotypical contractual
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: obligation album. Brian Greenway is credited, but there's not a
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: lot of guitar on It's very keyboard e. There's three
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: other guys credited on keys, bas and drums. I don't
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: think there's live drums on any of the tracks. It
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: sounds like a drum machine on the entire album to me,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and it sounds incredibly dated to new ears.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I still think there are some decent songs on there,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and I think miles vocals are fantastic, good as they've
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: ever been.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: But there was no way.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: That that was going to reverse their fortunes at this point.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: There was no tour to support it, and it was
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: basically put out simply to honor that Capitol contract and
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: then that was it.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: But I mean in.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Canada, their labeled Aquarius Records, knew that this band had
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: a legacy and they put out countless compilations. Again, they
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: never got those B sides, but they knew people would
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: buy once CDs were a thing. They put out all
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: kinds of these, the CD compilations in the late eighties. So,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: like I said, their music has always been kind of
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: on around, even when the band wasn't actively around. In
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, Miles Goodwin did do a for real
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: solo album, it was just self titled, and so did
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Brian green Way. But it was pretty quiet on the
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: April Wine front until they reunited in about ninety two.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: But I think if.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Powerplay had been a bigger album, I mean, one thing
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: leads to the other, right, I mean, it would have
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: restored some confidence. I don't think there was a lot
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: of confidence. The label wasn't confident in the band anymore.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: And you know other bands were coming out, right, there's
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: always new bands to take the attention.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Sure, sure, well, and then you have ninety three when
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: they came back with attitude the grunge era. Did they
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: release a good album at exactly the wrong moment in
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: rock history? Should they have waited.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Well weighted or if they'd put that album out in
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: ninety or ninety one, I think that would have been
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a really, really big comeback for them, because as it stands,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: they had a gold record in Canada with Attitude, which
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: is pretty impressive for a band that had been out
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: of the scene that long and in the height of grunge,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: put out a record that still managed to go goal.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: The problem is is that they did not secure a
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: YOU deal, and that's a shame because Attitude is that's
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the point where I got on board with the band.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I'd heard of them, obviously, but that's where I got
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: into the band.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: It's a hard.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Rocking album and I still really enjoy it, and there
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: are songs on there that sound did not sound out
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: of place on the radio at ninety three. There's a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: lot of drop tuning on it, but it's a really good,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: strong rock album and it's just a shame that it's
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: it's sort of like it just never got a US release,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: nor did its follow up, Frigate, which came out the
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: next year, and those are the only two records they
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: did in the nineties, and then it was just tour tour, tour,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: tour tour, and then mostly in Canada, right, it was
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: mostly a Canadian thing. They never really got any big
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: US tours until recent years.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: And then back to the Mansion two thousand and one,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: roughly speaking, in six. If someone's looking to explore the
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: April Line catalog beyond the hits, which later album would
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: you recommend? First?
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Back to the Mansion is a great album. Back to
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: the Man is just a fine ladder Day for wine album,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: and it's one that I like more now than when
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: it came out. Not that I didn't like it when
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: it came out. I just when that album came out,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: my daughter was It was the year my daughter was born,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: so I wasn't I didn't have the you know, I
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: wasn't able to enjoy. You know, I'd buy the albums,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: but I wasn't able to give him the time. But
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: as the years have gone by, I'm like, well this
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: is really really really good now, roughly speaking, is to me,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: it's a weak way to end a career because it's
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: a it's mostly it's a very bluesy album, but it's
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: very short. The whole album is about twenty five minutes long.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: It's practically an EP.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I like the way they recorded it. It's very live
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: off floor. I just wish there were more songs on it,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: and I just wish they had done more music because
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Miles was such a great songwriter and I and It
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: seems to me that they could have done the albums
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: on the cheap because I think he's got his own studio,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: but it just didn't happen for whatever reason. I would
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: love to eventually find out. Oh, by the way, there's
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: an unreleased album was going to come out in I
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: don't know, twenty twelve or something. But for now, you know,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: we've got what we've got and it's a solid catalog.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I just wish there was more latter day stuff.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Miles passing twenty twenty three, What do you
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: think is greatest contribution to rock music? Was great songwriter,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: great vocalist, Yeah, guitarist or all of the above.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Miles was a talented guy. You know, he wasn't
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: a virtuoso, but he just had a knack for writing
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: simple rock songs that sounded good in front of lots
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: of people, that were easy to remember and had memorable hooks.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: And yeah, he was one of the greats. And it's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: too bad, you know, he died way too young. And
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: but you know, I don't we'll get into this. I mean,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I was kind of skeptical when I found out that
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the band was continuing with another vocalists at least for touring.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: And I write in my epilogue that I got to
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: see this lineup open for the reunited Triumph, and I
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: realized that, you know what, these songs. People love these songs,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: and with Brian Greenway at the Helm, the legacy of
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: April Wine is in good hands. And I would go
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: see this lineup of April Wine by themselves now where
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have before You.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Open My Eyes as the title of the epilogue.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is the name of one of their early songs.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: But I always like to tie in things like that,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: but it is true. I liked, you know, I liked
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: being proven wrong. I was never I would never ever
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: go online and say something like no Miles, no April Wine,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: because I hate reading stuff like that because it's just dumb.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Who cares? Who cares what one person thinks? Nobody?
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: And also it doesn't matter because there's people. When I
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: realized that when they came on stage and uh, yeah,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: the trade off for not playing a full set was
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: that now they're opening for Triumph in bigger venues than
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: they played in years in Canada and the US, So
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: in lieu of playing a full set, they put together
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: a set that was just hit after hit after hit
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: after hit, and it worked. It was just everybody knew
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: every song and you could hear people singing along with
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: every song. And Mark Parent, who's the.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Guy that's the new singer.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: He's the new singer and he also plays guitar. He
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't sound anything like Miles. So they did not go
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: down the root of bands like Journey or Foreigner and
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: say we got to get a guy that sings just
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the same as as our previous singer. They just got
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: someone who could sing the songs really well. And that's
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: what they've got. And like I said, these songs, this
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the legacy of this band is some good hands now.
• 47:58
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• 48:21
  Speaker 3: we're gonna finish with a lightning round. Are you ready?
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, here we go. Most underrated April Wine.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Album underrated I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Powerplay because I think it's a better album than most
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: people give it credit for. Even though I did say
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: it was lighter, didn't say it wasn't good. There's a
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: lot of good songs on it.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Most underrated song I'm gonna go.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: With this could be the right one from Animal Grace.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I think that is a super catchy single. It didn't
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: even do well up here in Canada, but if you
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: listen through that dated production, there's a really good song
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Favorite Miles good Win lyric.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, uh.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if it's my favorite, but
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: it's coming to mind right now. There's a song on
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Nature of the Beast called Wanna rock versus If it
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: don't rock me, then it ain't gonna please me.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's a tattoo right there.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Favorite guitar solo.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Enough is Enough because Number one,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's a cool little guitar solo. It's just
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: a pentatonic solo. Number two, I can almost play.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: It, Okay. Best album opener.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Through What a Night from stand Back.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Best album Closer.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: You think about what closes all of the albums. I'm
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: gonna go with twenty first century Schizoid Man.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Cool best ballad, but.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: It's pretty hard to be just between you and me.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna say that one. I'm gonna say
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: a song on stand back called I Wouldn't Want to
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Lose Your Love beautiful piano ballad.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: All right, Best hard rocker.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: So when best album opener, I was thinking, well, I
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: gotta say I like to rock, but best hard rock
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna use I like to rock for best hard
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Rocker because it's.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: It's a killer.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, Best live album.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: One for the Road from nineteen eighty five. It's the
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: it's the band at the peak of their powers. I'd
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: say second to that is a King Biscuit Flower Hour
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: CD that came out in nineteen ninety nine. It's a
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two show from the power Play tour in Wichita, Kansas,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: and it's great.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Too cool. I mis listened to those King Biscuit Flower
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Hour on and.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Look for the April Wine one. It's really good, all right.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Last question. One April Wine song everyone should hear before
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: they die, and that's not anytime soon.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to go with the song off the
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Frigate album of ninety four called Driving with My Eyes Closed,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: because that is a really really cool song.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: All right, so you went with a deep track, yes,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: okay on record The April Wine album review out now
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: find it wherever books are sold Amazon, Amazon.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's there's a few.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: There's a few bookstores here and there that have them,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: but they're very specific spots.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: So Amazon has it. No matter where you live in
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: We can find all the rest of your books there.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: Books on Sammy Hagar, Fleetwood Mac, My Health, The nine Ranger,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Night Ranger eight Tracks, the eight Tracks, Kansas.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my seventh book. It's pretty crazy man.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, you're you are Yeah, and it's cool. I
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: remember last summer you asked me to be part of
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: this book, and I remember, you know, writing them up,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: sending them over to you, and uh, you've been working
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: hard throughout the year and here it is, it's out.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. What do we got planned next?
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Oh? More? You know what?
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: More of I'm going to say, more of the same.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to the Fleetwood Mac one is probably
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: as far afield as I'm going to go to my
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: you know, melodics, seventies eighties rock. So I've got another
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: book that's pretty much written, just need to put together,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: you know. I want to let this one run its
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: course as long as I can, but that one's next,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: and then after that, I've got another panel book in mind.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Cool and where can people find you online? You got
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: your YouTube channel?
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Best thing is to go just go to tim'smidel confessions
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: dot com. That's my link tree so that if you
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: go there, I rent the url you're on a yearly basis.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: But I created a link tree so it's got links
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: to all of my socials and all of my books.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Perfect. All right, Tim Darling, thank you so much again
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: for coming on. Thank you for having me part of
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: this book. It's uh that's quite an honor, sir. And
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: and uh I love having you on, man. I know
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: we always have great conversations. And we are zoom cursed,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: you know, we've had some zoom curses, but we get through.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: This was actually pretty decent.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, only a few freezes here and there, we got
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: through it.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: It's bound to be one or two.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: That's just how it is, all right, Tim, Thanks so much.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Thanks Eric m That's it. It's in the books,