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Almost Famous OGs: Picked Off the Street with Ed Swiderski · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Almost Famous podcast with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, welcome to the Almost Famous OG podcast. This
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Speaker 2: is Trista and I am Solow Today. Bob Guiney, my
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Speaker 2: co host, who makes me laugh every week or every
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Speaker 2: other week or every other month or whatever schedule for on.
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Speaker 2: Bob is on a plane right now. I was just
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Speaker 2: texting with him. He is going to Louisville for his
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Speaker 2: annual visit to the Kentucky Derby. So wishing I was
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Speaker 2: there with him, although no, not really, because I'm in
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Speaker 2: Utah for a dance competition with Blakesley and it's like
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Speaker 2: the thrill of my life. Seeing my daughter dance is
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Speaker 2: just one of my very happy places. And the competition
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Speaker 2: here is crazy town. I just posted a story on
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Speaker 2: Instagram and told people that it is. It's it's like
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Speaker 2: where everyone that you see, the pros that are on
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Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars they are they come from here,
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Speaker 2: well most of them from a studio called Center Stage,
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Speaker 2: and so the competition here is really really incredible to watch.
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Speaker 2: It's just like being at a show. So I'm excited
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Speaker 2: to be in Utah. I wish that Bob was here
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Speaker 2: with me, but that's okay. Ive got this interview. I'm
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Speaker 2: excited to talk to Ed Swaderski. I believe that's how
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Speaker 2: you pronounced this last name. We've met before and haven't
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Speaker 2: talked in a long time, so I'm excited to catch up.
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Speaker 2: But he was on Jillian Harris' season, so Hannah, can
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Speaker 2: you bring him in please? And thank you? Hello?
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Speaker 1: Ed?
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Speaker 2: Hey, how are things going. It's been a while, I
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Speaker 2: know years. I haven't seen you in lifetimes ago, I mean.
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Speaker 1: Right, I feel like it was uh quite at your No,
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Speaker 1: we didn't go to your wedding. Were we were at
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Speaker 1: Jason Mesnick's wedding? Right? Yes? Yes?
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Speaker 2: Okay? And then also did I come when you were
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Speaker 2: on Bachelor Pad? Was I a judge that season? Oh?
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Speaker 1: You know what? Did you? Okay? So I tried to
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Speaker 1: erase that from my mind.
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Speaker 2: Right, I'm sure. So Bachelor Pad I came and judged
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Speaker 2: a circusla thing in Vegas where people were climbing walls.
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Speaker 2: That was.
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Speaker 1: That was the one I think before my season, okay.
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Speaker 2: And then I judged a dance competition at the end
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Speaker 2: of one season. I think it was dance. No, that
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Speaker 2: was it was at the Bachelor Mansion. Were you on
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Speaker 2: ten Lee season? Yes, okay, then that.
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Speaker 1: Was the sea I thought.
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Speaker 2: Okay, right, it wasn't it like a leg? Did you
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Speaker 2: have to do it?
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Speaker 1: Pretty pretty intoxicated the entire time, So, like you know,
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Speaker 1: Elvis Presley could have been there and I wouldn't have
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Speaker 1: remembered it.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you were Okay, So is that like
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Speaker 2: a thing? Is this something that you've come to terms with?
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Speaker 2: Are you? Are you?
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, it was it is? It is what
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Speaker 1: it was. You know, it was vacation for me, you know,
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Speaker 1: and okay, yes, the producers didn't know it, but I
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Speaker 1: was there. I was there for vacation.
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Speaker 2: And so you didn't talk about that, like you when
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Speaker 2: you would go do interviews and we're talking I'm talking
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Speaker 2: Bachelorette and Bachelor Pad. When you would go do interviews,
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Speaker 2: was your was your stick? Was your line that you
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Speaker 2: were there for love? But were you really just there
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Speaker 2: for vacation? Is that what you're telling me?
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Speaker 1: I mean I was sort of there for but like
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Speaker 1: how much fun can you have with a bunch of dudes,
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Speaker 1: you know, in a barn? Right? Like it depends on
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Speaker 1: what I A Yeah, true, it's true nowadays. But I
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Speaker 1: was there for you know, for kind of have fun.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't really I didn't really know much about
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Speaker 1: the show at the time. I mean, I knew the concept,
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Speaker 1: I just I didn't I wasn't like a regular watcher,
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Speaker 1: so I didn't really know what what I was in for.
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Speaker 2: So why did you apply for the show? Like going
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Speaker 2: back to very beginning, had you you had never seen
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Speaker 2: it before? And did you get nominated or something?
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Speaker 1: You know what? I O Believer And I was walking
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Speaker 1: down the street in Chicago, and you know, they have
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Speaker 1: these guys on the streets that do recruiting. They've got
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Speaker 1: their clipboards, and I was outside for me, I was
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Speaker 1: at a meeting when I was outside on the phone
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Speaker 1: on a call, and this dude walks up to me
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Speaker 1: with a clipboard, you know. And I had a suit on,
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Speaker 1: so I probably looked like I was legit, you know,
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Speaker 1: and and yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know, I worked
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Speaker 1: for a big software company at the time, so I
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Speaker 1: kind of looked at him, like, you know, what do
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Speaker 1: you want to dude, I'm on the phone, and he
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Speaker 1: was like, I'm I'm recruiting for for a TV show
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Speaker 1: on ABC, you know my mind. I'm like, uh, I'm like, well,
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Speaker 1: is it for the bold and the beautiful, because I
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Speaker 1: don't think I I don't think I want any part
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Speaker 1: of it, dude.
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Speaker 2: Not it. And then he convinced you.
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Speaker 1: Well, it was over the course of a few months.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't I wasn't really into it, and I didn't
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Speaker 1: I didn't really know much about Jillian until you know,
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Speaker 1: I looked her up and the first thing that came
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Speaker 1: up was, you know, a bunch of YouTube videos with
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Speaker 1: with her just melting down, you know, with Jason, and
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, this is chick. Looks like a nutcase,
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Speaker 1: you know. So I I that wasn't the reason why
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Speaker 1: I was. I was hesitant, but I just I think
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Speaker 1: over the course of a couple of months, you know,
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Speaker 1: I had my job right, and I knew that I
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Speaker 1: really should be away for that long. Ultimately, I had
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Speaker 1: consensus with my boss that, you know, that I could
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Speaker 1: do it, and I pulled it off. I didn't make
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Speaker 1: the decision until like the day before I left, actually,
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know if they were just like
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Speaker 1: light on guys in Chicago, because they kept bugging me,
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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like, there's a million people here
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Speaker 1: you could probably be chasing out for this so.
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Speaker 2: Well, they clearly saw something in you, because so did Jillian,
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Speaker 2: and she ended up you know, you guys ended up
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Speaker 2: getting engaged. But tell me remind everyone about what happened
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Speaker 2: like mid season with you.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I left, Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. That's
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Speaker 1: the thing about it, like that I was just like
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Speaker 1: a normal dude, you know, and I just yeah, I
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Speaker 1: was still working, you know, I was able to continue
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Speaker 1: working and kind of dating while I was on a
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Speaker 1: dating show.
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Speaker 2: And so you know, you were working while you were
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Speaker 2: on the show, like when you were in La.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they this was you know, this was like the
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Speaker 1: one of the first reasons where I think they allowed
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Speaker 1: people that because that was one of the terms that
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Speaker 1: I agreed on when I did the show. I'm like, look,
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Speaker 1: I can't gone for like three months. You know. I
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Speaker 1: got to have access to my my laptop, my phone,
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Speaker 1: you know, and and but it was very scarce, you know,
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Speaker 1: periodically I could check stuff, and when I did get
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Speaker 1: on it, I was just so overwhelmed with with chunk.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, I can't keep doing this. But
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Speaker 1: halfway through the season, you know, it was I think
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Speaker 1: it was a blend of just like me feeling feeling
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Speaker 1: like I was neglecting obviously neglecting some some some key
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Speaker 1: stuff at work and not. I don't know, I just
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Speaker 1: wasn't like feeling the environment with all these these guys
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Speaker 1: and a lot of them and I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: disparage any of them, but they just I couldn't like,
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Speaker 1: I couldn't see eye to eye with a lot of
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Speaker 1: the guys. There were a few guys that were great,
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Speaker 1: but I was just I was just kind of a
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Speaker 1: normal dude. I didn't really want to be and in
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Speaker 1: entertainment like that was never my thing. I just thought
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Speaker 1: it would be cool to experience it, you know. And
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Speaker 1: so so I just said, look like, I can't be
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Speaker 1: here and I I gotta leave, you know, And I
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Speaker 1: ended up going home. You know, it turns out that
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Speaker 1: like work, I probably could have been gone for two
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Speaker 1: more months. You know. It was you know, it was
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Speaker 1: like an overreaction that you know, you just get kind
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Speaker 1: of anxiety, right and and yeah, so I was at
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Speaker 1: home for a couple of weeks. Producers were kept in
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Speaker 1: touch with me, and they finally just said, look like,
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Speaker 1: do you have any you know, any aspiration to come
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Speaker 1: back and and be on the show. Because we think
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Speaker 1: that Jillian really likes you, and and we absolutely, like
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Speaker 1: I felt like we had the best chemistry, you know,
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Speaker 1: like we were just kind of both grounded people. I guess,
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Speaker 1: you know, we we both you know, just we had
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Speaker 1: we had the best fit, I think. And I just said, look, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I did have ex girlfriends that you know, were
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Speaker 1: reaching out to me because they knew that I was
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Speaker 1: on the show, and of course, like I talked to them,
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Speaker 1: but I didn't have anything at home that I was
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Speaker 1: really missing, and so I decided to to you know,
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Speaker 1: take a chance and go back. And you know, everybody
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Speaker 1: was cool with with work and everything.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, So it's funny because I am, you know,
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Speaker 2: as you know, obviously one of the first, if not
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Speaker 2: the first, you are, so well yeah, yes, but so
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Speaker 2: well I wasn't the first bachelor. Oh well I was
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Speaker 2: the first bachelorette, but not the first show anyway. So
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Speaker 2: so when someone says like, uh, you know, well I
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Speaker 2: had girlfriends and I was talking to girlfriends, I'm like,
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Speaker 2: but is that cool? Like to me, obviously things have changed.
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Speaker 2: You're in a very happy marriage, and I want to
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Speaker 2: talk about that soon. At least I assume you're in
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Speaker 2: a happy marriage and your dad and you know, life
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Speaker 2: has changed and life has evolved, and I truly believe
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Speaker 2: that everything happens for a reason, and you're you're meant
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Speaker 2: to be where you are now. But like to me,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, the kind of well they call
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Speaker 2: me the fairy Godmother. So if someone is like, well,
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Speaker 2: isn't there for the right reasons or wasn't there for
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Speaker 2: the right reasons or you know, had girlfriends on the side,
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Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, naughty you, So did you? Did you? Really?
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Speaker 2: You had girlfriends? And when you went back to Chicago
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Speaker 2: were you talking to people or were you just there for.
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Speaker 1: Work in your mid twenties? Like how do you find
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Speaker 1: girlfriend living in downtown Chicago? Mean? Yeah, yeah, we dated constantly, right,
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Speaker 1: nobody that I was talking to would I consider like
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Speaker 1: an actual girlfriend?
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Speaker 2: Like we weren't, Yeah, got it? You had people you
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Speaker 2: were talking to?
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you know, And so I was certainly there.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gone there if I knew that there
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Speaker 1: wasn't really a chance, you know, with with it with
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Speaker 1: a real relationship.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: When I got there, though, I realized that, like the
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Speaker 1: amount of time it's nearly impossible to formally form a
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Speaker 1: relationship there in that window, right, like, and we learned.
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Speaker 2: Probably almost impossible, yes.
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Speaker 1: Twenty five percent of each other while we're there. Afterward,
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Speaker 1: you know, the next year or two years and we
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Speaker 1: were together, that's when you learn about you know, moving
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Speaker 1: in and in like you know, life hits you and
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Speaker 1: then you.
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Speaker 2: Learn anything else, right, Yeah, of course, So how did
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Speaker 2: that all happen? Obviously you and Julian did it work out?
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Speaker 2: She's happily married, well, happily in a relationship you're I
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Speaker 2: assume happily married. When you guys were together, what all
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Speaker 2: happened there? Have you talked to her? You know, I
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Speaker 2: know that how long did it? How long did it last?
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Speaker 1: And what together?
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Speaker 2: What do you feel like happened at the end we
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Speaker 2: were there?
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Speaker 1: Let's see, So we were together for for a good
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Speaker 1: two years after the show.
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Speaker 2: That's significant in batchel her Land.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean we had a lot of tabloid
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Speaker 1: crap too that that sucked, but we you know, we
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Speaker 1: got through it. And she moved to Chicago right away,
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Speaker 1: you know, and and we would go up to to
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Speaker 1: Vancouver and and you know, we want to visit her
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Speaker 1: family way up in northern think uh northern yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: near Colonna and even even Peace River way up there.
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Speaker 1: So it's like parallel to Alaska.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean we we got through all like
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Speaker 1: the media stuff, you know, and and but it was
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Speaker 1: just like I think that the day to day life
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Speaker 1: stuff that really like, like I said, getting to know
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Speaker 1: the the rest of the spectrum of that person. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: Julian's great. It was just you know, we just weren't
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Speaker 1: and I was kind of still in like a not
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Speaker 1: get serious mode too in my life, and I still
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Speaker 1: liked working a lot, and so but she moved here
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Speaker 1: and like, you know, we we had a blast when
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Speaker 1: she lived here. Like we we did all kinds of
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Speaker 1: fun stuff. We we you know, like I said, traveled
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Speaker 1: up to Canada a lot, and went and visited my
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Speaker 1: family a lot. We had a real real relationship. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I think it just over time, you just you know,
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Speaker 1: like any relationship, you just figure out that probably not
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Speaker 1: the best. I think the media sensationalized like our separation,
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Speaker 1: but it wasn't really that it wasn't that exciting like
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Speaker 1: it was you know, it was like you know, Ed's
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Speaker 1: cheating or whatever. And but that that wasn't the case.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there were many many embellished stories that like
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Speaker 1: you just and you know this more than anybody, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that, like you can't control a story once it's
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Speaker 1: out there, like it's completely out of your hands, and
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Speaker 1: if you try to defend something, it looks even worse.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeaheah.
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Speaker 1: So I got a really quick you know, one O
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Speaker 1: one on how to handle the media, and I just said,
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Speaker 1: look like we're not going to play along with this,
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Speaker 1: like we're breaking up. You know, I'm sorry, it's not
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Speaker 1: one fun. But and then we still kept in touch
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Speaker 1: for years, you know after Yeah, yeah, it wasn't until
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Speaker 1: like when I really started dating my wife for real,
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Speaker 1: you know, and and I just obviously we we we
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Speaker 1: didn't keep in touch more. And then she was in
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Speaker 1: her Yeah of course.
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Speaker 2: So tell me about your your your wife, your daughter,
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Speaker 2: how life is now.
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Speaker 1: It's awesome, I am. I moved to the burbs, uh, doing.
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Speaker 2: A lot of home in Chicago still, right, Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: A lot of mulch lately. That's super, super exciting. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean we were let's see s our eighth year
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Speaker 1: anniversary coming up here in Happy anniversary, early Thanks it's
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Speaker 1: going to be in July. Excited for that. My daughter
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Speaker 1: is going to be three and uh a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 2: Do you have a picture of her where? Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: want to see. Her name is Olive. I think that
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Speaker 2: is so cute.
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Speaker 1: Dancing beauty doing some wild dancing here.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. That brings me back like I used
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Speaker 2: to so when I had Max was probably that age
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Speaker 2: and Blakesley, my daughter, would be like nursing. So I
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Speaker 2: would lay in my bed, turn on the television to
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Speaker 2: so you think you could dance or Dancing with the
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Speaker 2: Stars and or maybe not, Yeah, Dancing with the Stars
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Speaker 2: because I had been on it first season went before
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Speaker 2: they were born. So I would just I would put
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Speaker 2: it on the television and he would just dance along
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Speaker 2: to the TV. Oh that brings back such happy memory.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, your little little buggers are they're getting up there?
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Speaker 2: They're not so little. Yeah. Max is five ten and
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Speaker 2: I know, yeah he's six to two, but he's way
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Speaker 2: taller than me. Now he's going to be a sophomore
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Speaker 2: in high school next year and Blakesley will be a freshman.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy Colorado. Yeah, we are, we are, We're
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Speaker 2: We're actually moving though. I just told everyone last week
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Speaker 2: the last or the last podcast, we are moving to Denver.
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Speaker 2: Ryan is a Denver firefighter now. He worked for Vail
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Speaker 2: for seventeen years and he's been working for Denver for
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Speaker 2: like three and he's been commuting two hours back and
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Speaker 2: forth whenever he worked. So we thought it was time
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Speaker 2: to make the change. We're going to be closer to family.
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Speaker 2: We're excited for their new school and the opportunities for everybody.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, that's what we are. But yeah, I love
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Speaker 2: hearing and I hear your wife is Is she a
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Speaker 2: co host or an anchor or whatever for Good Day Chicago?
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Speaker 1: She was for four or five years. Now she does
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Speaker 1: the evening she's an evening anchor for the Local.
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Speaker 2: Local amazing for for ABC Local thought, okay, got it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's been with them for like twelve years or
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Speaker 1: something like that.
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Speaker 2: That is awesome. I love it. I did. I I
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Speaker 2: co hosted Good Day Live and Good Day La a Bunch,
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Speaker 2: and I just always loved the vibe there. I assume
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Speaker 2: Good Day Chicago was kind of similar.
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Speaker 1: Very similar. Yeah, yeah, she liked it too, but you know,
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Speaker 1: the evening spots are a little more sought after, and like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: if you're if you're really into the industry, you know,
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Speaker 1: like that these are it's a it's a great stepping stone.
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Speaker 1: But she's really into like she wants to be a
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Speaker 1: you know, an evening acre possibly even at a network.
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Speaker 2: Oh amazing. Would you stay in Chicago or would you
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Speaker 2: guys consider leaving?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, is your family there, they're
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Speaker 2: in Michigan, Okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and her family's Illinois, so we want to stay
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Speaker 1: in the area for sure. But yeah, for now, we're
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Speaker 1: pretty happy with everything.
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Speaker 2: That is awesome. And how did you guys meet because
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Speaker 2: obviously you both have a little public I pieces there.
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Speaker 2: Did you guys meet through like an event or blind date?
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Speaker 2: Or how'd you meet?
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Speaker 1: Evehn? Cornier than that? Trista, I was like at home
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Speaker 1: on the couch one day. It was like a holiday
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Speaker 1: or something, and I put on the local news and
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Speaker 1: I saw this girl doing the news and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: because you know, you get to know a lot of
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Speaker 1: the local media people and like the events, charity stuff,
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Speaker 1: and and I didn't recognize her, like, oh is this
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Speaker 1: you know? And so I reached out to her I
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Speaker 1: actually tweeted her and did, yes.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's amazing.
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Speaker 1: Well, I figured, like why not, you know, I mean
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Speaker 1: totally I didn't think she'd respond.
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Speaker 2: Well, you did go on a reality show on National
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Speaker 2: to le Vision, so it kind of is in the
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Speaker 2: category ballpark is yeah.
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Speaker 1: And so yeah, and I think she was gonna respond
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Speaker 1: to me, and I think I like started stalking her,
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Speaker 1: like on Instagram. I was like, hey, it's I'm over here,
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Speaker 1: over here, and I don't know why she agreed to
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Speaker 1: go to so she did the morning news and so
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Speaker 1: like her happy hour is like lunchtime. Right, She's done, right,
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Speaker 1: so she's like, let's let's go to lunch, like lunch,
19:31
Speaker 1: like what is this a business? Business meetings? But then
19:34
Speaker 1: you know, I realized, like, okay, so she's like pounding
19:37
Speaker 1: wine at our lunch and I'm like, wow, this chick
19:39
Speaker 1: is she's getting after it. But it was it was
19:43
Speaker 1: actually like okay for a first date. But you know,
19:48
Speaker 1: we decided to go another day. We did an actual
19:50
Speaker 1: evening dinner.
19:51
Speaker 2: Okay, got it. She could stay up.
19:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, she could stay up, and we had a lot
19:56
Speaker 1: more fun and but you know, it was pretty typical,
20:00
Speaker 1: I mean, other than like the tweeting thing. Our relationship
20:02
Speaker 1: was pretty standard.
20:03
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I got it, that's it. I love it. No,
20:09
Speaker 2: So so you guys met through that and you actually
20:13
Speaker 2: are you in marketing now?
20:15
Speaker 1: I do enterprise sales for a big, big software company.
20:20
Speaker 2: Oh, you're still in software sales. Okay, got it. Yeah,
20:23
Speaker 2: Because I was going to say I thought you were
20:25
Speaker 2: in marketing, and I was going to say you moved
20:28
Speaker 2: from software sales went through the show. I didn't know
20:31
Speaker 2: if like the show had any any impact on the change.
20:38
Speaker 2: But if you're still in the same.
20:39
Speaker 1: Player, you're right. Actually, so I mean I kind of
20:41
Speaker 1: really yeah, I've kind of gone back and forth. I
20:43
Speaker 1: mean I put it in the same category of sales
20:45
Speaker 1: and marketing. Like I don't do marketing. I sold marketing tools.
20:50
Speaker 1: So okay, yeah, so similar. But but I did, like,
20:55
Speaker 1: we wrote this book about Pinterest a while back, and
20:58
Speaker 1: I think like we did. Did we do an event
21:01
Speaker 1: at at in Chicago at Rocket or something?
21:04
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yes, that is the last time I
21:07
Speaker 2: saw you. It was for shop the shop drop drop
21:13
Speaker 2: off drop off?
21:14
Speaker 1: Was that what it called one of those like cycle clothing?
21:17
Speaker 2: You're right, it was me and Molly Mesnik and which
21:22
Speaker 2: is so crazy because Julian was on Jason season with
21:27
Speaker 2: Molly and Molly and I were hanging out with you
21:30
Speaker 2: in Chicago.
21:30
Speaker 1: It was it's so weird.
21:33
Speaker 2: That is so crazy. But yes, you're right, Oh my gosh, okay.
21:37
Speaker 2: And so you were working with with Rocket, like you
21:41
Speaker 2: helped them with market or something. I was.
21:44
Speaker 1: I launched my book and we hosted we hosted a
21:48
Speaker 1: party at Rocket and and uh and so I, you know,
21:51
Speaker 1: Billy just preash out for a couple of other events
21:54
Speaker 1: and uh, that's that's where we intersected. But but yeah,
21:57
Speaker 1: I mean, I I've always kind of been in technology sale,
22:01
Speaker 1: so it even got it for my entire career. Really,
22:05
Speaker 1: I never got into like any like regular media stuff
22:08
Speaker 1: where I was like paid, you know, just uh huh.
22:11
Speaker 2: Well I don't think it was. It wasn't really a
22:13
Speaker 2: thing back then. Yeah, you know, I mean, I know,
22:16
Speaker 2: I did a lot of like spokesperson the things. You know,
22:19
Speaker 2: I was a spokesperson. They call it actually a spokesperson.
22:24
Speaker 2: And now I feel like the term has changed to influencer.
22:28
Speaker 2: Even if you're doing a satellite media tour or you're
22:31
Speaker 2: just posting stuff on social I feel like it has
22:34
Speaker 2: definitely evolved, but but I don't. It wasn't as big
22:37
Speaker 2: of a thing back then. It wasn't, I mean because
22:40
Speaker 2: social media wasn't as relevant or pertinent or you know, popular,
22:49
Speaker 2: and and I wanted to see if you uh, you know,
22:54
Speaker 2: at that event, obviously we were getting recognized, but do
22:57
Speaker 2: you get recognized still? And I know that was a
23:00
Speaker 2: long time ago. I mean that had to be ten years.
23:03
Speaker 1: Ago that it was like it was like twelve I think.
23:06
Speaker 1: Or yeah when we saw each other. Yeah, no, no,
23:09
Speaker 1: nowhere near, you know. And like I don't try to
23:13
Speaker 1: be right either, Like there is a lot I just
23:16
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want it, you know. Yeah, I
23:19
Speaker 1: mean it's fun every once in a while. But like
23:20
Speaker 1: my my wife gets way more you know, way more
23:24
Speaker 1: notoriety than you know, for years, Like she's she's she's
23:27
Speaker 1: more recognizable than I am. I think if someone's like
23:31
Speaker 1: a hardcore fan, they might you know, or like if
23:34
Speaker 1: we're out and it's all you'd probably know this. But
23:36
Speaker 1: anywhere there's alcohol in alve people get a little braver
23:39
Speaker 1: with you know, approaching you and so.
23:42
Speaker 2: Or travel, yes, yes, right, if you're ever in an airport,
23:47
Speaker 2: I feel like being in an airport yeah, yeah, or
23:50
Speaker 2: being in Texas, Texas.
23:53
Speaker 1: The epicenter of the Bachelor. Yeah.
23:56
Speaker 2: I swear if I'm in Texas, I'm like, I will
23:59
Speaker 2: get recognized.
24:00
Speaker 1: It's so true.
24:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you don't miss the show at all, Like
24:14
Speaker 2: you don't miss being on television. You'd rather your wife
24:16
Speaker 2: do it.
24:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like I'm getting old, and like,
24:20
Speaker 1: I just I like being a dad, like I like you.
24:23
Speaker 2: I love that.
24:24
Speaker 1: I just like I just like being a normal dude,
24:27
Speaker 1: you know. And even like, it was definitely fun and
24:30
Speaker 1: I wish everyone could experience it because it's such a
24:34
Speaker 1: cool thing to see, right how TV works kind of
24:36
Speaker 1: see all the bs behind the behind the scenes and
24:39
Speaker 1: how everything happens in reality TV is different from like
24:43
Speaker 1: real TV but like a real production but in real TV,
24:46
Speaker 1: like you know, like like real produced.
24:50
Speaker 2: I totally yeah, I hear you.
24:51
Speaker 1: But it's just, uh, it's cool kind of see all
24:54
Speaker 1: the inner workings right of how it comes together. And
24:56
Speaker 1: I agree the world even.
25:00
Speaker 2: Like you guys, I went to Seattle.
25:02
Speaker 1: That was it. You guys didn't go anywhere.
25:05
Speaker 2: No, I went to Seattle.
25:08
Speaker 1: What in the world, Why would you?
25:10
Speaker 2: I know, seriously, they owe me some trips Seattle and
25:15
Speaker 2: uh Cabo and New York and Vale, you know for
25:20
Speaker 2: my hometown. But yeah, I always joke my fantasy suites
25:26
Speaker 2: were in Seattle. Was Good's amazing. I love Seattle for
25:32
Speaker 2: all those in Seattle. I love Seattle. It was great.
25:35
Speaker 2: It was a wonderful place. But you know, would I
25:38
Speaker 2: have treated the Maldives for Seattle? Yes, yes, I.
25:41
Speaker 1: Would have taken that one.
25:43
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, No, I'm not bitter. I'm not bitter.
25:47
Speaker 2: You can't tell you bitter? Can you traveled? Where did
25:52
Speaker 2: you guys go on your season?
25:54
Speaker 1: We went to We went all over. We started out
25:58
Speaker 1: in Vancouver, which whistler I think. We went up to also.
26:03
Speaker 2: Right and which was cool.
26:05
Speaker 1: I've never been there before. I would consider that definitely international.
26:10
Speaker 1: And then we went to uh Spain. We went to
26:15
Speaker 1: uh Hawaii. You know, never been to Spain? Why is
26:22
Speaker 1: my favorite place on Earth? So I was like, oh, love, it.
26:25
Speaker 2: Was it your favorite place on Earth because you went there?
26:28
Speaker 2: It was your favorite place on Earth before that?
26:30
Speaker 1: It was my favorite place on Earth after I went there.
26:33
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, I just didn't have you been with
26:36
Speaker 2: your wife, like, does she know this is your favorite
26:39
Speaker 2: place on earth because of the Bachelorette and does she is?
26:41
Speaker 1: She like, okay, but here's the thing, Like, we've discovered
26:46
Speaker 1: so many other places, international places to you that I
26:48
Speaker 1: would say that are very close. But when it really
26:51
Speaker 1: comes down to it, like why, it's just amazing, Like
26:54
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's ours.
26:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like my husband would be like,
27:00
Speaker 2: because I did go to Hawaii for the Bachelor, and
27:03
Speaker 2: I feel like he would be like, well, this is
27:04
Speaker 2: where you were with Alex, So I don't want to go,
27:07
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
27:09
Speaker 1: That's right. I didn't realize they did that with you
27:12
Speaker 1: that I didn't know that you were pulled from.
27:15
Speaker 2: I was from the first season.
27:17
Speaker 1: So you okay, so you traveled on a Bachelor, Well
27:20
Speaker 1: just Towa. That was well. I would definitely be pissed
27:23
Speaker 1: that if I were you, Like, what happened to the
27:25
Speaker 1: budget here?
27:28
Speaker 2: There was not one.
27:31
Speaker 1: It's interested. We don't know if this is going to work.
27:33
Speaker 1: So we're going to Cleveland, Ohio.
27:35
Speaker 2: Yeah you're excited? Yeah, I mean any place. Honestly, I
27:43
Speaker 2: feel like I'd love traveling, even if it's all over
27:46
Speaker 2: the United States. I don't care like wherever it is.
27:49
Speaker 2: I love to travel, but you know, it would have
27:52
Speaker 2: been nice to go to Spain. So it's all good.
27:55
Speaker 2: It's all good, it's all good. I would take my
27:58
Speaker 2: relationship with my husband for almost twenty years in December
28:02
Speaker 2: over a trip to the Maldives. It's fine, my life,
28:07
Speaker 2: so it's all good.
28:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are you guys are like the best family.
28:12
Speaker 1: Oh I had fun at Messick's wedding. We were at
28:16
Speaker 1: the pool with your kids. Oh, everybody was just so fun.
28:19
Speaker 2: Remember yeah, was that was where Sarah Bryce and Charlie
28:25
Speaker 2: O'Connell there was that the wedding?
28:27
Speaker 1: Or yeah, that is the actor guy right.
28:32
Speaker 2: Yes, Jerry, he's Jerry's brother brother.
28:35
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he was there and I don't know why
28:38
Speaker 1: why was he?
28:38
Speaker 2: Why was he?
28:40
Speaker 1: Yes?
28:41
Speaker 2: Oh why was Jerry? No, Charlie was there because he
28:44
Speaker 2: was a bachelor.
28:44
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah that's what. Yeah. I didn't follow no, sorry, yes,
28:50
Speaker 1: but prior to it, right, I didn't follow it, so
28:52
Speaker 1: I didn't really know.
28:53
Speaker 2: Have you watched since No? I'm like, no, does your
28:58
Speaker 2: wife watch a wife.
28:59
Speaker 1: Watches a kid? I think she's a couple of seasons behind.
29:02
Speaker 2: Did she watch it when you were on.
29:04
Speaker 1: She didn't and she hasn't.
29:06
Speaker 2: And she hasn't and she won't.
29:08
Speaker 1: I don't think she doesn't want to. It's just that
29:10
Speaker 1: we're just busy and likes to go back through like
29:14
Speaker 1: archives of old I mean, yes, she's married to me,
29:17
Speaker 1: but there's nothing there that she was probably probably get
29:21
Speaker 1: excited over, you know.
29:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I get that. I just didn't know if
29:25
Speaker 2: there was any curiosity. I feel like that is a
29:27
Speaker 2: that is probably a majority of how people feel if
29:30
Speaker 2: they met their significant other after the show. Obviously after
29:35
Speaker 2: the show, if they met their significant other and their
29:38
Speaker 2: significant other did not watch before, then they probably will
29:42
Speaker 2: never won't want you to feel like that's like, that's normal.
29:46
Speaker 2: But I wonder how much curiosity is there, you know,
29:49
Speaker 2: if you want to call it up, if you can
29:51
Speaker 2: even I don't even know if you can access it.
29:53
Speaker 1: I think they may have sent us like DVDs, like
29:56
Speaker 1: I have some archive of it.
29:57
Speaker 2: Oh you have DVDs because I have VHS tapes.
30:01
Speaker 1: Oh do you really? Yeah? Well, well I was in
30:04
Speaker 1: low deaf too, so.
30:06
Speaker 2: Oh way low deaf was me. I'm kind of like
30:10
Speaker 2: glad for that because high definition scares me. Now, yes, yeah,
30:15
Speaker 2: so all my wrinkles, yes, all my pores. I mean
30:19
Speaker 2: you're seeing everything. Thank goodness for low definition.
30:24
Speaker 1: Seriously.
30:27
Speaker 2: Okay, so future plans. Are you guys planning on expanding
30:30
Speaker 2: your family?
30:32
Speaker 1: We'd like to I mean, yeah, my wife is she
30:35
Speaker 1: just turned forty forty one actually.
30:38
Speaker 2: Now, oh she's a spring chicken.
30:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but like we had a hard time with
30:44
Speaker 1: our first pregnancy. Just got it all kinds of I
30:48
Speaker 1: U I y up the wise uh huh literally, but
30:56
Speaker 1: like giving giving your shots, you know, every day, and
30:59
Speaker 1: it's just like it's really hard on her. Yeah, and
31:03
Speaker 1: so we would love to you. It's just like we
31:06
Speaker 1: really want to go through that part of it. I
31:08
Speaker 1: would love to have like, you know, two more kids probably,
31:11
Speaker 1: but really.
31:12
Speaker 2: You just don't know.
31:14
Speaker 1: I would like to have one more just so she
31:16
Speaker 1: as sibling, you know, because yes, that's how I felt.
31:21
Speaker 2: I actually had a really hard pregnancy or a difficult
31:25
Speaker 2: time getting pregnant as well, and we did iuis, but
31:29
Speaker 2: not we started the IVF process and never had to
31:35
Speaker 2: go through it because I ended up getting pregnant. But
31:38
Speaker 2: what I will say is for the second and you're
31:42
Speaker 2: you know, your daughter's three, so maybe this can still happen.
31:45
Speaker 2: But we had a really hard time with Max, and
31:48
Speaker 2: then after I stopped nursing, I got pregnant with Blakesley
31:51
Speaker 2: like that, like it's pretty easy. Yeah, So you just
31:55
Speaker 2: never know. And you know, you hear all these stories
31:57
Speaker 2: about how people want a child, like are actively trying,
32:04
Speaker 2: going to doctors, whatever, and the stress and the anxiety
32:08
Speaker 2: around it not happening can take over for the natural
32:14
Speaker 2: ability of your body to create, you know. And so
32:18
Speaker 2: I feel like so many you hear these stories of
32:19
Speaker 2: people who go on to like adopt and then they
32:23
Speaker 2: get pregnant or right exactly. So you know, I feel
32:28
Speaker 2: like probably a lot of it has to not in
32:32
Speaker 2: your case specifically unnecessarily, but yeah, you just never know.
32:36
Speaker 2: So who knows. I would love that for you. I
32:40
Speaker 2: just I love that my kids were close when they
32:44
Speaker 2: were younger, not so much right now, just because they
32:47
Speaker 2: have totally different things.
32:48
Speaker 1: So they're three years apart, though they're.
32:50
Speaker 2: Twenty months apart, okay, but three years is I mean.
32:54
Speaker 2: I know people who have like big chunks of time
32:58
Speaker 2: in between the kids, and it's a great thing, you know.
33:01
Speaker 2: I think there's pros and cons for everything, you know,
33:03
Speaker 2: So you just never know. You just got to keep
33:07
Speaker 2: trying if that's what you want. And I'm sure Olive
33:09
Speaker 2: would love a sibling.
33:11
Speaker 1: She would. She loves being around kids. I mean it's
33:15
Speaker 1: weird because like we'll go to the playground and I
33:17
Speaker 1: feel bad because I think these kids, you know, that
33:20
Speaker 1: have gone through the pandemic, like they're just not conditioned
33:22
Speaker 1: for like hanging out with other kids. And somehow she
33:27
Speaker 1: she's very extroverted though, so she'll like walk up to the
33:30
Speaker 1: kids and they look at her like she has three heads.
33:32
Speaker 1: You know. Oh, I know, I feel bad. I'm like, oh,
33:35
Speaker 1: you know she could. You can tell that she's kind
33:37
Speaker 1: of sad because she's like, why don't don't they want
33:39
Speaker 1: to play with me? And I'm like, I don't know,
33:42
Speaker 1: it's nothing, that's no.
33:45
Speaker 2: I love that she's extroverted and can do that because
33:48
Speaker 2: my kids were not that way and I always wished
33:52
Speaker 2: for that. That's great encourage that for sure. Yeah, okay,
33:56
Speaker 2: I have to tell you. I was texting Bob. You know,
34:00
Speaker 2: Bob is my we co host this together, right, yeah,
34:05
Speaker 2: Bob Guinea. So I was texting him to see if
34:09
Speaker 2: he was going to be here, and he said that
34:12
Speaker 2: you guys, maybe share a birthday.
34:14
Speaker 1: May May eighth, Uh not.
34:17
Speaker 2: When's your birthday?
34:20
Speaker 1: July twentieth birthday?
34:23
Speaker 2: So he is wrong, not that birthday. I might have
34:28
Speaker 2: multiple No, I don't know. Anyway, he was like, yeah,
34:36
Speaker 2: I believe he and I share a birthday, and he
34:40
Speaker 2: put although he's much younger and I and I said,
34:43
Speaker 2: isn't everyone.
34:46
Speaker 1: I love like you two are my hands down, Like
34:49
Speaker 1: I mean, you're the most thank you notable. But I
34:53
Speaker 1: ran into him at the Kentucky Derby.
34:55
Speaker 2: I know, I'm very jealous. I love the Derby and
34:58
Speaker 2: he goes every You're like, this is his thing, so
35:03
Speaker 2: he shouldn't be here. But I was like, yay, I
35:05
Speaker 2: gotta laugh out of Bob Guinea, even if it was
35:07
Speaker 2: on a text.
35:08
Speaker 1: So he's down there now, he is.
35:10
Speaker 2: He was on a plane to Louisville when I texted him,
35:13
Speaker 2: and that's where.
35:13
Speaker 1: I ran into him last, like three years old.
35:16
Speaker 2: Okay, did you always used to go to Jerby?
35:18
Speaker 1: No, first time going. And in fact, he was like
35:21
Speaker 1: on the red carpet for some event, and I was
35:24
Speaker 1: like getting chased down by the security trying to get
35:28
Speaker 1: into like a red carpet party. And I'm like, Bob,
35:32
Speaker 1: get me.
35:32
Speaker 2: In, let me in please.
35:34
Speaker 1: He's like, look at me, like, who are you?
35:36
Speaker 2: I don't know.
35:37
Speaker 1: I mean, he's we've never met, we never met in
35:39
Speaker 1: person before that, but we knew God communicated, you know,
35:44
Speaker 1: and yeah, but he was like, I can't do it, dude,
35:46
Speaker 1: You're not cool enough.
35:47
Speaker 2: You're not cool enough. Oh, I'm totally going to tell him.
35:51
Speaker 2: You totally let ed down. He didn't even want to
35:54
Speaker 2: talk to you, so and you weren't on today. Well, well,
36:00
Speaker 2: thank you so much for the chat. And I'm so
36:04
Speaker 2: happy for your happiness and your relationship and your fatherhood.
36:11
Speaker 2: I love girl. Dad's so fun.
36:15
Speaker 1: She's the love of my life.
36:17
Speaker 2: Oh that's the sweetest.
36:19
Speaker 1: Tell tell Ryan and the kids that I. Uh, I
36:26
Speaker 1: wish him well too. I haven't seen him in a
36:28
Speaker 1: long time. Tell me, I said, I thank you.
36:30
Speaker 2: Was Actually Ryan wasn't with me in Chicag Have you
36:33
Speaker 2: ever met Ryan because he wasn't on Bachelor Pad? Maybe not?
36:38
Speaker 1: Didn't he go to the wedding?
36:42
Speaker 2: The wedding, Yes, you are right, he was.
36:44
Speaker 1: That's how I know he was tall, because.
36:46
Speaker 2: You're right, got it? Yes, that was such a fun wedding. Uh. Yes,
36:53
Speaker 2: Well anyway, I thank you so much. I enjoyed our
36:57
Speaker 2: chat and I'm so happy you're happy, Piness. Thanks for
37:00
Speaker 2: coming on and allowing us to, you know, reflect back
37:05
Speaker 2: to the days of old, the days old.
37:09
Speaker 1: All right, We'll take care and good to see you too.
37:11
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks bye, ed bye, Thanks for listening. Everybody. This
37:16
Speaker 2: is Trista and I. I just love this opportunity to
37:20
Speaker 2: be able to talk to people who were part of
37:24
Speaker 2: my past, part of my Bachelor Nation family. I love
37:27
Speaker 2: all y'all. And if you guys would like for me
37:30
Speaker 2: to me and Bob sorry he's not here today, if
37:34
Speaker 2: you like, would like for us to bring anybody onto
37:37
Speaker 2: the show, if you're missing someone, if you'd love to
37:41
Speaker 2: hear what's going on in the life of someone who
37:46
Speaker 2: was on the show a favorite of yours from back
37:48
Speaker 2: in the OG days, We would love to hear from you.
37:50
Speaker 2: You can go to the almost famous Instagram account and
37:54
Speaker 2: send them a message, or you can DM me as
37:57
Speaker 2: well or Bob. Feel free to do that. Uh, feel
38:00
Speaker 2: free to let us know if you'd like for us
38:03
Speaker 2: to do anything in particular on this podcast, because we
38:06
Speaker 2: love doing it and yeah, we'd love your input. So
38:11
Speaker 2: have a great day and thanks for listening.