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Strange Disappearances, MIB, Smiling Man | Walter Bosley & Trey Hudson · Ryder Lee

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  been employed by the FBI in the Air Force as a special agent. He's
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  an author, researcher, writer and investigator. In his new book, NIMS
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  How America Is Oldest Soul is out now and I have a copy of it
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  right here, though it's not signed yet. But Walter Bosley, welcome back
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  to the show. It's good to see you, my friend. Hey,
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  thanks for having me back on. I always enjoy being here talking with you.
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  Ready to get weird today, Walter, absolutely every day always being weird.
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  I love it. It's about time I do a weird show. Everything's
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  been super serious here recently, and I like talking about strange things. And
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  people think that I don't like talking about strange things, but I really do
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  because I find a lot of things fascinating. But next up, we have
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  with US today former DoD and US Army Military intelligence, anti terrorism, counterintelligence
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  and security specialists recently retired and the author of the book The Meadow Project,
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  Trey Hudson's welcome back to the show. It's good to see you. I
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  think you're muted. You're muted tree somehow. Oh yeah, I don't know
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  what you're talking about. Walter has already sent me an autograph copy of it,
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  you know, and a T shirt. I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
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  Well, you sent me a copy, but whenever I went out to see
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  him in California, I didn't have it with me, so I didn't get
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  a signed But it's oh wait, oh wait, I actually I did.
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  Walter did sign it. Yes, I there you go. I didn't neglect
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  you. Perfect well. Very excited about this conversation here today. And I
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  want to kind of start with the Men in Black. And I believe that
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  the first story of the Men in Black was in nineteen forty seven with the
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  Murray Island incident in Washington State. And supposedly the story goes Harold Dowell,
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  his son and his dog were at Pungent Sound near the shore of Washington Murray
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  Island and solid craft hovering above his boat, and then the center of this
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  craft kind of opened up and it started raining like a metallic debris, some
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  of which supposedly hit his son in the arm and also as well as the
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  family dog and apparently or supposedly killed the dog as well. And the following
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  morning, Harold was visited by a man in black and it might be a
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  guy that we think is a man in black. He was in a suit
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  which happened at a local diner where the m IB was able to tell Harold's
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  experiences about the incident to him before he had even mentioned it, which,
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  if true, that's really strange. And the MB basically told him to not
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  speak of the incident and if he did bad things, what happened. So
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  what do we think about these, uh, these men in black type characters,
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  because there's a lot of more stranger incidents when it comes around the men
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  in black. You want to go first, tray, Yeah, I'll give
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  it a shot. I think there's you know, there's two possibilities. Uh.
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  There's one is that they are you know, in fact, you know
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  US government special agents or security specialists that are working something called ch protect,
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  which is the idea of protecting critical technology oftentimes involved in acquisition special access programs
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  that are in the intel site, s CI whatever that these are legitimate you
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  know agents. Perhaps you know, somebody sees something or is you know,
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  stumbles across something and they're there to you know, talk to them about what
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  they saw, and perhaps uh administers something called an inadvertent disclosure agreement, which
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  is, oops, you saw something, you know you probably shouldn't have seen
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  it. You know, we're asking you, you know, not to disclose
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  this in the you know, in the uh you know, under the purview
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  of national security. And thank you very much. And you know that happens,
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  you know, operation securities not always as tight as we like to think
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  it is. You know. Uh, you know, I've been involved in
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  stuff where people have figured stuff out, you know, and we've had to
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  issue some stuff like that. So you know that's number one. That is,
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  you know, the men in black and you know, back during that
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  period of time, I know, you know, the agents that I used
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  to work with, we're a lot more casual, you know, you know
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  here lately, uh, you know, right before I retire. Then they
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  used to be back then, it used to be very formal. Uh.
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  Okay, So then that's one one possibility turn the page. The other possibility
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  is something like the things that John Keel talks about, you know, and
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  he talks about it quite a bit. And you know, my ancient paped
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  up copy of the Offman pophecies after the UH, after the events there in
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  Point Pleasant, West Virginia, that these strange I'm not even gonna call them
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  people, these strange beings that looked human, but something was off about them.
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  Their skin tones seemed, you know, off. They're there, eyes
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  seemed, you know, perhaps have like an Asian fold to them. Their
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  movements were odd. They were dressed, you know, inappropriately. You know,
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  they're they're like they didn't understand how human beings wore clothing and how human
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  beings interact with each other. And these people would come into uh, you
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  know, the individuals that had some sort of experience, and they would warn
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  them off. You know, we don't want you talking about this to anybody.
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  You know, we know where you live. Blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Uh. And if you go back and you look at the Colorado Ranch,
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  you know, with Katie Page, there was actually a voice that came
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  over the radio that said that same thing. It wasn't an actual person.
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  So you have two aspects. You have, you know, a normal national
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  security you know, nuts and bolts, you know, flesh and blood explanation,
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  and then you have this other kind of you know, otherworldly and dare
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  I say interdimensional explanation that you know, whatever it is that you have encountered.
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  Perhaps the the other might not want you to discuss that and is using
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  you know, perhaps intimidation to defurther those means. Walter, Yeah, And
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  I personally, as you might guess, find the the Kilian what I like
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  to call the Kilian, the odd potential otherworldly ones, infinitely more interesting than
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  just the mere flesh and blood program protection agents. Because Trey, you understand
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  that, you know, I've I've worked in that world. I know what
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  they're exaggerating. I understand why people get worked up over oh, the government
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  you know is coming out. But I just don't find that to be as
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  interesting as the the other possibility, because wow, you know, I I
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  think when you're dealing with the other possibility like Trey described, you're gonna get
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  I think, closer to if not the answer, the realm of the source
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  of the thing you saw. Then if you're dealing with the human agents you
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  follow me, I mean, it's wow. If you're being visited by the
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  others you had an experience with something that isn't just our secret technology. Yeah,
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  I agree, Yeah, and those are infinitely more interesting and uh you
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  know, yeah, we had a incident where we were doing some uh uh
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  uh ST's protocol and once we started getting up to certain phenomenologies technology, plasma
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  energy, you know, things like that, that the the the voice coming
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  across the through the STS protocol got really agitated, you know, very upset.
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  You know that we were you know, starting to discuss you know,
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  phenomenologies you know, and it's like, you know, it didn't come out
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  and you know say, well, you know, I'm gonna come over to
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  your house and kick your butt. But you know it's it's kind of I
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  got that kind of you know, just you know, there's some some rocks
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  that are best left unturned. Yeah, yeah, you know, I want
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  to I want to amend what I said. Actually, if you do get
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  visited by the other worldly MIBs, it could have been some type of secret
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  US technology that you encountered. Because you mentioned phenomenology when you're getting into this
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  exotic tech and you're dealing with piercing the veil, well, it could be
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  some of our secret technology that has brought the other worldly ones to you.
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  So that little correction. Oh, that's a great point. That's a great
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  point. Yeah, it could you could actually be overlapping both types of MIBs.
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  Yeah, like they've come in because they're observing what we're doing with this
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  technology and you happen to see it, and for whatever reason, the other
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  worldly people want to approach you to see how much you understand it, how
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  much you saw, or you know, the fact that you know when you
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  look at it, it looks at you and forever more, it knows you're
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  there and have seen these things. So, yeah, a great point.
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  Well, in the case of the moth Man, it's interesting that you bring
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  up the moth Man trey because something did show up in Point Pleasant in the
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  mid sixties, whether that be government officials, someone or something came to Point
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  Pleasant and told some of the witnesses of the moth Man to shut up about
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  it, and that scared the crap out of some of the residents. And
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  for a lot of years, and something bad did happen in Point Pleasant,
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  which was the largest bridge collapse in US history, killing forty six people.
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  And after the bridge collapse, no one talked about the Mothman for decades after.
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  Right, That's something that people really don't take into account because they're kind
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  of like, oh, well, point pleasant ones. They use this Mothman
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  as like a tourist attraction, which they are now, but they didn't until
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  the early two thousands, until that movie Mothman Prophecies came out with Richard Greer
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  in the early two thousands, it was not a tourist site. So that's
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  almost that's over forty years in between the sightings of the Mothman and it becoming
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  a tourist spot. So and I'm pretty sure a lot of the original witnesses
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  of the Mothman are dead now, but a few of them, if they
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  were still alive today, would still not talk about it. And you could
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  wonder about if the warnings from the MiB calls the collapse of the bridge,
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  or if the MiB themselves calls the collapse of the bridge because they know that
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  it would shut the residents up about the math Man. But and I don't
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  think that it's a coincidence. Right after the bridge collapse, no one ever
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  seen the Mothman again. Important Now, when you say might be in that
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  particular instance, do you mean us government might be or the other worldly might
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  be. Well, we don't really know what exactly they could be one or
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  the other. I gotta tell you, I don't see the US government being
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  willing to kill forty some people by collapsing a bridge just to get people to
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  shut up about Mothman. That I think. I do not see the US
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  government being willing to kill forty six innocent people during a Christmas holiday collapsing a
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  bridge just to shut them up about Mothman. My god, there's other ways
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  that they could, you know, do that. That's h. But there's
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  nothing like a tragedy to off you skate or yeah but yeah, but I
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  uhh, that's and And don't get me wrong, I I'm you know,
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  Uncle Sam can representatives of Uncle Sam can do some you know, questionable things,
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  some stuff that we would say is nefarious, But that one I just
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  I don't know. I I think I lean more towards what it was.
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  Is what it was is that bridge was getting older, it was getting worn,
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  it was going to collapse. And just like they that that Keel talked
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  about in his book, and just like they depicted in the movie, I
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  think it was the other worldlies giving a warning. You know that this stuff
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  started happening as a precursor to a tragic event. Yeah, I think that's
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  that's one explanation. But savagely bringing up a good point here Waco and Ruby
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  Ridge. I mean, how many people are going to kill and how many?
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  How many people? Let's look at the different situations. Okay, don't
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  get me wrong. I'm not excusing Waco and Ruby Ridge. But these are
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  apples and oranges. Okay. Waco was a group of folks who were armed,
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  and a completely different situation than a bunch of Christmas shoppers going across a
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  bridge. Okay, Now, now did the government overreact? Oh? Hell
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  yes, hell yes. And Ruby Ridge was another situation where, holy smokes,
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  the government got that way wrong. But a guy was you know there,
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  it was a small that's apples and oranges. Yeah, they I say,
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  it's appled and diesel fuel. I mean, it's you know, those
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  were pursuant to whether or not they were flawed warrants issued by a federal judge,
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  and I do believe and they were, and they were they you know,
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  the Ruby Ridge I warrant against Randy Weaver was was certainly flawed, and
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  of course the if you ever actually read the warrant issue to the ATF to
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  raid the branch Davidian compound was certainly flawed and had a lot of well untruth
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  in it, but you know, kind of dovetailing on. What Walter said
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  is think about the logistics. If anything, the government is pragmatic about a
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  lot of things, and they're freaking cheap. Okay, they're cheap. How
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  much money would it cost? And what are all your logistical pieces and parts,
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  personnel explosives, moving people and specialists into an area to collapse a bridge
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  all undetected for what end? What did you gain? If I want you
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  to be quiet about something, I can do it, and it's going to
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  be a hell of a lot cheaper than collapsing a bridge between Ohio and West
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  Virginia. Well, this is a town of two thousand people, and I
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  think this savig Lee's common here wasn't comparing the two. I think meaning that
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  it's not out of the realm of the possibility that the government would do that.
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  I mean, based on the past and in history that demicide. Walter
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  is the leading calls. Yeah, you know what, I'm gonna go on.
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  I'm gonna go on record right now in the community saying that, Yeah,
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  I doubt that. I'm sorry, I think that's out of the realm
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  of possibility that the government would have collapsed that bridge to kill those people to
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  get him to shut up about Mothman. I'm sorry in that instance. I'm
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  standing on this. I wow, I don't see that. Those other two
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  situations, I get what he was saying, but still, as apples and
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  oranges, those were completely different types of situations that, yes, I'm gonna
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  say again, grossly mishandled by the federal agencies shouldn't have happened. But that's
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  not an indicator that, you know, oh, let's get them to shut
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  up about this weird phenomenon. Let's collapse the bridge at Christmas time. And
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  wow, that's that's just not that. That's not a reasonable possibility here.
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  I just really don't see that. And you know what, you know,
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  what you're kind of describing as a terrorist act. Okay, a terrorist act
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  done in a vacuum isn't a terrorist act. It's just an act. You
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  have to have some sort of claim, you know, for for credit,
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  you have to have some sort of warning before where you vocalize and articulate a
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  need for social, political, or religious change, Okay, and that never
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  happened. It wasn't some force saying y'all shut up, or we're going to
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  do something really bad to you, or after the fact saying you didn't shut
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  up. You see what happened? Do you want it to happen again?
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  There was none of that. So you know, it's just well, we
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  don't really know if there was none of that. I mean, comparing the
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  Murray Island incident and the men in black telling him to shut up about what
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  he saw or a bad thing is what happened to him. But we don't
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  really know what the men in black told these people in Okay. But you
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  know what bringing an airplane down that has a piece of evidence on it and
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  killing what four guys in a airplane crash if it was brought down, if
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  it wasn't truly an accident, that's different than bringing collapsing a bridge and killing
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  forty three civilians who are Christmas shopping. Okay, we've got to we've got
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  to start discerning, you know, with the circumstances in the details. There
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  can't just be this blanket you know, well, Ruby Ridge, Waco.
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  So therefore they could have you know, killed these forty three people. No,
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  it's rational. In the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh orders of
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  effect. You're dropping a bridge between Ohio and West Virginia over a major tributary.
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  You're limiting critical infrastructs. Sure, you're affecting the economy of both states.
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  You're affecting I think the closest bridge is in Charleston, West Virginia,
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  up up river. I might be wrong, but you know, you're talking
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  about these ripple effects of that one act. You know. All we have
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  to do is look at what happened in Baltimore, you know, and the
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  the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, all the way out to the
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  hundredth levels of effect that cascade down from that one incident, that one black
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  Swan event, you know. And if I think the Silver Bridge collapse was
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  a black Swan event due to fatigued metal, that was a coincidence that just
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  happened to be about the same time that these mothman sightings, I think the
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  two are not related. Now, I do think that the men in black,
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  you know, the entities that would visit people, you know, and
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  of course indured cold and all of that other stuff. I do think that
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  is linked to the Mafman somehow. Yeah, bridge I think was just an
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  unfortunate accident. They happen, you know, It's like, well, people
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  do link the bridge go outs to the moth Man, though they do?
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  Yeah, I do. I think. I think Mothman is part of that
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  strange fabric of our reality where these things can sometimes definitely warn some people ahead
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  of time. Something's gonna happen. Something's gonna happen for whatever reason. This
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  is all. This is why it's in the realm of the weird. This
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  is why we discussed it. But the players that had the stake and getting
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  people to shut up talking about Mothman would have been these other dimensionals, not
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  the US government. Don't I don't see what stake the government would have in
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  wanting to shut people up about Mothman when they could just go on ignoring it.
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  And if it was brought up, you know, hey, government,
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  do you know something about this Mothman? Ah, that's that's a crazy local
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  legend and that would be the end of it. Not everything is a government
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  conspiracy. Yeah, you know. And if they wanted to shut up stuff
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  about the Mathman, they could have done info ops and syops and discredit people
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  very quietly, you know, not like it hasn't been done before, you
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  know, or or if they wanted to spend a little money then don't think
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  this hasn't been done before. Hey, we need you to be quiet about
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  this. You know what, we know you're in financial straits. We're going
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  to make it easier for you. Yeah, here's some money. Well,
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  you're a power plan on the in the town, and we'll hire all your
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  workers and we'll bring in all this money into the town. Yeah. I've
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  never heard of people called bag men in federal agencies. No such thing.
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  Uh. Yeah, you know, money money talks. I mean, you
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  know, it's like, hey, here's something that's inconsequentially you saw this floating
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  thing with red eyes. Shut up about it. Here's five thousand bucks,
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  and I'd be, hey, I'm okay. And most people would, particularly
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  you know. And now back then we were still in that best ecm me
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  we've ever had in our history. But you know, nowadays especially, you
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  know, people would if they were offered money to shut up about something made
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  I think they would. Yeah, And sociologically we were in the middle you
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  know, of the Cold War. If if somebody came to you and said
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  hey, you know, look, you know, we need you to help
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  your country, you know, and that's a very patriotic area right there in
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  West Virginia. I worked for a guy, uh you know that's from there,
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  said hey, you know, in the best interest of national security and
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  helping out your nation against the Reds, we don't need you to talk about
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  this. And you know, here's here's a little something to sweeten the pie.
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  And that's totally a theme they would have used back then. Yeah,
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  you know, was appeal to their sense of you know, duty. But
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  I personally see the collapse of the Silver Bridge situation, with the appearance of
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  Mothman and all that stuff, as one of those weird things that for whatever
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  reason the others who share this reality with us decided to were they warning people
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  that something was for whatever reason, you know, I think that's the big
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  thing there. I think that's the story there, not you know, the
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  idea that a secret you know, UDT team would come in and collapse a
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  bridge to you know, deter or divert discussion about something weird that I just
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  don't see that well. It's just interesting that no one ever talked about it
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  after Soon after the bridge collapsed. Well did they? Did they not?
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  Wait a minute, did they not talk about it? Because the Mothman Prophecies
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  book came out in what year? Seventy four, seventy three? This is
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  one of the old ones. Let's see. John Keel wrote a book about
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  it, and he went around interviewing people and they were willing to talk about
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  it, as printed in nineteen seventy six, seventy six for crying out lad.
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  Yeah, oh that's right, because I read it in high school seventy
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  six. So if the Mothman's sightings stopped happening, no one saw the Mothman
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  in Point Pleasant. Nobody reported you're right. Nobody reported them. Yeah,
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  you're right, you're right, But except in Chicago, I think Chicago,
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  which should That's a whole other Mothman story in Chicago, and that was only
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  ten years ago, right, yeah, yeah, twenty seventeen, I think,
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  or fifteen or something like that. Kind of switching gears. You were
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  talking about Chicago. Do you remember back in the two thousands the videos of
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  flying humanoids like with glowing belts one in Central and South America. I don't
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  know if you all remember that. There's a really interesting story you might be
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  familiar with this one, Trey. It's the lawn Londale incident. Are you
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  familiar with this in Illinois where this kid got picked up by a giant bird?
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  Oh? Yeah, yeah, vague vaguely it's ringing some Yeah, it's
• 25:53
  interesting that you bring up Illinois. Hold on, let me see if I
• 25:56
  can find it. Okay, yeah, here it is. Okay, Lawndale
• 26:00
  incident and Londe, Illinois incident of is almost important Avian cryptozoological events ever to
• 26:08
  have been investigated in modern real life, and enactment of a kind of episode
• 26:11
  portrayed in folklore all over the world in an attempted abduction of a child by
• 26:17
  a thunderbird. Its status was recently reinforced when was highlighted in the nineteen ninety
• 26:22
  eight Yorkshire Television and Discovery Channel series on Cryptis Into the Unknown. So on
• 26:27
  July twenty fifth, nineteen seventy seven, as a ten year old Marlon Lowe
• 26:33
  played outside his family home along open fields near or Kickapoo Creek, two giant
• 26:40
  birds passed over. One suddenly swooped down and grabbed the boy, carrying him
• 26:45
  a few feet before dropping him, apparently because of his frightened mother's screams.
• 26:48
  The incident occurred in front of seven witnesses, all of whom described exactly the
• 26:53
  same thing. Two large, cold blackbirds with long white ring white ring necks,
• 27:00
  long curled beaks, and wingspans of ten or more feet. That is
• 27:06
  a wild story right there, you know. And is that significantly different than
• 27:14
  you know, the mothman, you know, the a flying creature you know
• 27:18
  that was you know, so tall, except I think most of those were
• 27:22
  in the dusk or evening. I'd have to go back and look. But
• 27:26
  uh, you know, giant flying creatures, you know that you you reference
• 27:30
  the thunderbird. That's a Native American legend, is a thunderbird, giant flying
• 27:37
  did you freeze you know beasts? What you did? You know? Whatever?
• 27:41
  Feather you know or ancient Yeah, the I think the Native American myth
• 27:52
  is the pious al bird. I believe is what it is. Might might
• 27:59
  get might be getting that room. Yeah, right here the piasol where the
• 28:07
  piosol bird is a creature of Native American mythology, depicted in one or two
• 28:11
  murals painted by Native Americans on cliff sides above Mississippi River. Its original location
• 28:18
  was at the end of the chain of Limestone bluffs and Madison County, Illinois
• 28:21
  and present day Alton, Illinois. The original Piosol Australian illustration no longer exists.
• 28:26
  The newer twentieth century version, based partly on the nineteenth century sketches and
• 28:32
  indo graphs, have been placed on the bluff and Alton, Illinois, several
• 28:37
  hundred yards upstream from its origin. The limestone raw quietly is unsalted for holding
• 28:44
  an image and painting must be roughly restored. The original side of the painting
• 28:48
  was on an electrograph limestone which is quarried away in the late eighteen seventies by
• 28:52
  the Mississippi Lime Company. So this is the picture of the Piasol creature.
• 29:00
  And I don't think that the Wikipedia article actually gets into the mythology of the
• 29:06
  Piosol creature, but the Native American mythology behind it is that these Native American
• 29:11
  tribes had to basically sacrifice their people to this bird. And this Native American
• 29:22
  chief got really upset because his numbers were This is mythology, right, This
• 29:26
  is the story of the pious all bird, not really so much in fact,
• 29:32
  but he decided to trick the pias All bird and give it a sacrifice.
• 29:37
  And then when the Piasol bird came to collect the sacrifice and eat and
• 29:41
  kill the human, a bunch of Native Americans came out and shot arrows at
• 29:48
  the piasol bird and killed it. So that's the legend of the Piasall bird.
• 29:53
  Really really strange. It's like a cross between a griffin and a win
• 30:00
  to go and yeah, you know, very interesting. That's and you say
• 30:06
  that was repainted, refurbished, Yeah, I was refurbished. The original one
• 30:11
  was I just read it here. The original one was in the seventeenth century.
• 30:18
  I think, wow, okay, maybe the eighteenth century, so you
• 30:26
  know, maybe the mouth man wasn't really anything new. It was the sixteen
• 30:30
  sixteen seventy three was the original painting, and then it was redone in eighteen
• 30:36
  seventies. Well, you know they talk about what is it the legends and
• 30:42
  lore of Chief Cornstock? Is that the name that's in the tri state area
• 30:48
  there West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky. And you know, I think Keel,
• 30:56
  I think Peter Lavenda. I think authors have written about this, Walter
• 31:11
  Freeze it colecting the matrix colection you out, muh, was that all three
• 31:22
  of us or was that just me? Just okay, sorry about that.
• 31:26
  All all three screens went black and the circle thing was on there before your
• 31:33
  screens went black, there was like this this figure behind you that looked like
• 31:36
  a bird with two glowing red eyes. Failure. Now I'm kidding. Maybe
• 31:42
  it's my maybe it's my little king and yellow figure projecting, but oh no,
• 31:51
  anyway, uh chief chief Cornstock stuff how that lore is there and about
• 31:57
  how that area you know, is just has a very weird history. Now,
• 32:02
  I was living back there. I was a small child. I was
• 32:05
  living back there when this Woody Durnberger mockman stuff was going on. We moved
• 32:10
  my dad's from Parkersburg, and I still have family in Mineral Wells, which
• 32:15
  is the town that Durnberger lived in, And I lived there twice in my
• 32:20
  life. The first time was in January of sixty four. I was only
• 32:22
  a couple months old. We moved back there and we lived there until about
• 32:28
  January or February or so of sixty seven. So we were there through sixty
• 32:34
  four, five and six, and I believe sixty six is when Woody had
• 32:38
  his first encounters with mister Cold and so I was too young to remember the
• 32:45
  events as they happened. But when we moved back and lived there between nineteen
• 32:49
  seventy three and seventy five. Man, I've talked about this elsewhere. Mister
• 32:55
  Cold entered Cold. That is, you know, right there in the heart
• 33:01
  of all this stuff about Mothman. He was used as kind of a boogeyman
• 33:05
  to keep the to get the kids in, you know, at night,
• 33:07
  you better be in before dark or mister Cole is gonna get you. And
• 33:12
  my dad's parents were really good friends with this couple who ended up when he
• 33:19
  was a kid Parkersburg ended up being our neighbors in Mineral Wells years later,
• 33:23
  and their daughter, Darla, her name's their name is Sarter, Darla Sarter.
• 33:29
  She's mentioned in I've Got It Documented in My Shimmering Light book. She's
• 33:36
  mentioned in one of the books on Mothman as having been She was a friend
• 33:39
  of Whatdye Dernberger's close friend, and she was one of the witnesses of Mothman,
• 33:47
  and my sisters and I were friends with with her kids. I never
• 33:52
  met Darla myself that I can remember, but we were friends with her kids
• 33:57
  and her parents, and it was her her mom who was the one that
• 34:02
  first told me all about Indrid Cold and and all that stuff going on.
• 34:07
  So it was very much around there, something living lore and something people talked
• 34:14
  about. Woody was a little bit of a you know, they would mock
• 34:17
  him, you know, old Woody Durnberger and stuff. But you know,
• 34:22
  I can tell you it was very much something that the locals would talk about
• 34:27
  and certainly believed was was real. But yeah, that's great because that's something
• 34:32
  I always wondered, is how how did the Indrid Cold myth intertwine down into
• 34:38
  the culture and was it persistent? So, you know, based on what
• 34:43
  you're saying is yes, it was very persistent, and you know, it
• 34:45
  became a you know euphanism for you know, the boogeyman or some evil something
• 34:51
  that will get you if you don't behave Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah,
• 34:54
  it was this big, dark, scary figure. You know. Two.
• 34:59
  But I I personally don't buy into the subsequent hypothesis that injured Cold was
• 35:07
  some local gangster going around. You know, there there is a hypothesis out
• 35:14
  there that you know, Cold was was just this local gangster. And no,
• 35:20
  because that that does not resonate at all with the experience that Woody Dernberger
• 35:25
  reported, or the weird mothman stuff, so that I tend to and I've
• 35:30
  looked at it close enough. Okay, I personally disregard that theory. I
• 35:37
  place injured cold into that otherworldly kind of category personally. Well, let me
• 35:45
  pick your brain on something I talked about earlier when we were doing our SDS
• 35:49
  protocol and we started talking about phenomenologies, and you know, what we seem
• 35:53
  to be communicating with got agitated during that session. It's it's really weird because
• 36:02
  the receiver who was listening through the headphones to the ghost box, uttered one
• 36:07
  word that was completely out of context, and that word was cold. Interesting,
• 36:16
  yeah, and you know, of course we have our normality box,
• 36:20
  and you know, I responded, oh, you know, yeah, it's
• 36:22
  getting a little chilly here because you know, the sun's going down. And
• 36:27
  then I went back and I started thinking about it. The word was it
• 36:30
  wasn't really that cold. It was you know, still, you know,
• 36:34
  comfortable. Why would that one word be intelligible when we had been, you
• 36:40
  know, I believe communicating with some kind of other you know, was that
• 36:45
  a nod to maybe a greater consciousness? That is you know, collectively known
• 36:51
  as Cold, and that's what you know, then maybe that's what would he
• 36:55
  you know, encountered as a part of that consciousness. I don't know,
• 36:59
  it's it was kind of or maybe it was just the same individual like you
• 37:04
  had you just writer, just put up images of the y. See.
• 37:07
  This is part of the recent popularization of Indrid Cold, the gangster thing.
• 37:13
  I know, I don't think that's right, and this thing about the crazy
• 37:16
  smiling man, and they get that from you know, wood he said that
• 37:22
  Indrid Cold was very pleasant and he smiled. Well, okay, I'm smiling
• 37:27
  now, hi, you know how you doing. There's a big difference between
• 37:30
  that and this he this creepy horror movie. It's we have to resist the
• 37:36
  urge to you know, get off, yeah, from getting off on the
• 37:40
  sensationalizing, because everybody wants to be stimulated, you know. But uh,
• 37:46
  what if the voice, you know, you heard that said or they heard
• 37:51
  on that recording. What if it was Indrid Cold and he was just identifying
• 37:54
  himself, you know, you know, I I find no nothing at all
• 38:01
  sinister about the experience Woody Dernberger reported with Dured Cold and that flying machine.
• 38:10
  To me, there's nothing sinister about it. I think that stuff is just
• 38:15
  people who love creepy pasta and they're just they want to spin you know,
• 38:21
  yarns about it and unfortunately, and that's fun. If that's your thing,
• 38:23
  go ahead and do it. Unfortunately, I think it is a just a
• 38:29
  way off diversion from looking at what actually happened, and the the the only,
• 38:37
  the only thing we have to look at, the what actual happened,
• 38:39
  What actually happened is what Dernberger reported. He's our source. He's the one,
• 38:45
  you know, the first person to report the incident with mister Cold,
• 38:50
  So it's his data we should go on. And everything else is just a
• 38:54
  bunch of you know, fluff and beyond speculation, just huge exaggeration because it
• 39:01
  excites people. Yeah, if I remember reading Woody's account, I never I
• 39:07
  don't remember getting a feel that he ever felt comfortable, like from a threatening
• 39:12
  perspective, you know, not at all, not at all, you know,
• 39:16
  So why people are laying this stuff on this whole thing itself could be
• 39:23
  a diversion. In fact, I would say, hm, who started who
• 39:28
  started this? Who planted that first seed that injured Cold? Was a gangster,
• 39:31
  a local gangster who planted that first seed that injured Cold is the creepy,
• 39:37
  smiling demonic man. I wonder if you know, those pesky federal agents
• 39:42
  could have planted that seed to divert us off of wanting to know where right
• 39:47
  or scary you off saying oh, well that's ingrid Cold. I can't you
• 39:51
  know, I better not talk to him, you know. Yeah. See
• 39:52
  disinformation like that. I'll hand that to you. Yeah, federal agents all
• 39:58
  day long, they do something like that. Yeah, syops yeah, all
• 40:00
  day long, info ops yeah, all day long. Yeah. Well,
• 40:05
  it's interesting the you mentioned Cornstock earlier, Walter, and I'm sure everyone has
• 40:12
  you know, heard that, you know, Cornstock, you know, put
• 40:15
  a curse on Point Pleasant. And then it was like this whole thing,
• 40:20
  well, the whole idea and the whole mythology of the curse that Cornstock put
• 40:24
  on Point Pleasant came from a high school play inside of Brilliant, and that
• 40:31
  myth got perpetuated through that high school play, and now everyone thinks that it
• 40:37
  was real when it was a fabrication. There you go, what's the source
• 40:42
  on that. That's that's interesting to me. Well I'm from Point Pleasant,
• 40:46
  so okay, okay, so so you've been aware of this all your life.
• 40:51
  That's like, what the heck is this Cornstock thing? It started it
• 40:54
  a so so someone just made up this Chief Cornstock thing. Put it,
• 41:00
  well, Chief Cornstock is a real was a real guy, and they horribly
• 41:04
  murdered him. They they put you know, wagons, and they tied his
• 41:08
  limbs up to wagons and then spread the wagons all apart, and it tore
• 41:12
  all of his limbs off, sort of exactly like what happened at the end
• 41:15
  of Brave Heart. But the that's but they put that into the play to
• 41:21
  exaggerate the play, to make the play more exciting, with this curse at
• 41:24
  the at the end of the end of the play, like, oh,
• 41:28
  well, you know, Cornstock's got to say something really intriguing and really awesome.
• 41:32
  You know, I cursed this land. I cursed the town at point
• 41:37
  pleasant and got cemented into lore whenever he never heard that. Could they have
• 41:44
  cursed themselves by the very act of that though, yep? Yeah, negative
• 41:51
  manifestation. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I'm glad you you know,
• 41:58
  shared that, because you know, that's something that most of us didn't know,
• 42:04
  you know, And that's what I'm talking about. You know, there
• 42:07
  are things out there that when you look closely or talk to someone who you
• 42:10
  know knows that get clarified. And I think that's an important distinction, you
• 42:15
  know. So, yeah, it's just wild hol mythology gets exacerbated and turned
• 42:22
  into something that it's not. And yeah, these flying birds are really interesting
• 42:29
  because you have the thunderbird and stuff like that. And then you know,
• 42:37
  I don't not to change the conversation or turning into something else, but I
• 42:40
  think that it's you know, kind of related to the topic that we're having.
• 42:45
  It's all strange and weirdness stuff here. Let's not let's not forget that
• 42:51
  the mound builders, right, have a big presence in that area of the
• 42:57
  country too. And because this whole thing with these the mound building civilization,
• 43:04
  it's still you know, the jury still out on that as to exactly who
• 43:07
  they were and what they were doing with these things. I think that could
• 43:12
  contribute to the definite weirdness that exists in that what they call the tri State
• 43:19
  back there in that area, you know, along the Ohio River and and
• 43:23
  uh in West Virginia there and stuff. Well, yeah, Point Pleasant was
• 43:29
  the first battle of the Revolutionary War. Oh yeah, and I I don't
• 43:37
  know if you ever saw the the documentary helure is you know, they go
• 43:43
  into the uh West Virginia, Virginia, uh Kentucky areas of high strangeness and
• 43:51
  indrid cold. I believe was you know, the myth of indid cold was
• 43:55
  was pretty prominent in that documentary. Yeah, but there's a problem with that
• 44:00
  whole thing. There are those who I've heard others express an opinion that that
• 44:08
  Tenny or and the other guy they were was kind of leading them with just
• 44:16
  leading them along with the the alleged emails from the mystery man. So there,
• 44:23
  it's questionable. That's questionable. Do you guys know about the flat Woods
• 44:30
  Monster and it happened in West Virginia. That's another really strange case. What
• 44:38
  do you guys know about that? It's kind of weird. But I don't
• 44:43
  know what it is about the you know, the popular representation of the Flatwood
• 44:46
  Monster. But it creeps the crap out of me. I mean, it
• 44:51
  creeps me out. I don't know why that thing is so bizarre looking,
• 44:55
  you know, and it seems it seems mechanical, right, yeah, but
• 45:00
  still looks creepy. You know, you would think that somebody you know,
• 45:06
  making up a story about you know, we encountered an alien in the woods.
• 45:09
  That's not what they would describe, you know. Yeah, well,
• 45:15
  you know, think of things, think think about this, look at this
• 45:20
  thing, and think back to the historical accounts. Think of vocals On's bleeding
• 45:27
  man, think of the historical automatons, and think about the idea that there
• 45:32
  was some presence of civilization before us, before you know, the Native Americans
• 45:39
  that were aware of way back in antiquity that might have had this kind of
• 45:44
  technology. And could the Flatwood Monster actually have been some type of automaton type
• 45:52
  of being or device that you know, is a throwback to or was a
• 45:59
  surviving, right love forgotten civilization. Yeah, that's that's an interesting point.
• 46:05
  You know, you talked about mound builders earlier, and you know, if
• 46:08
  if you've read any of this stuff by Graham Hancock, I'm sure you have
• 46:12
  that they're Yeah, you know, in my opinion, my miners in anthropology,
• 46:15
  I I think that there is some data there that makes me think that
• 46:21
  there could possibly have been a technological prehistoric civilization or civilizations. And you know,
• 46:29
  that's an excellent point because it could have been a piece of tech that
• 46:32
  you know, is running, you know, automatically. It could have been
• 46:36
  a piece of security tech or whatever that for whatever reason, they stumbled across
• 46:40
  it or they activated it. And that's what year? What? What year
• 46:45
  was the flat Woods Monster witnessed sixty sixty three? In sixty three, I'm
• 46:52
  trying to remember, it's some ten years fifty two fifty two. So then
• 47:01
  I think what the government did was they staged the big Washington DC UFO flap
• 47:07
  to get people to quit talking about the flat Woods Monster. That would be
• 47:09
  that would make sense. Were there any strange things like that that happened in
• 47:14
  sixty three, because then we could say that they that they killed JFK to
• 47:17
  get people to quit talking about the strange thing. I'm sorry, I'm being
• 47:22
  facetious. Go ahead, Flatwood. It's a theory, Walter. Don't get
• 47:27
  wrapped up in my theory. Jesus, this is all speculation in theory.
• 47:34
  I'm just having runs Walter, Jesus. Correlation is causal, you know,
• 47:38
  it's but Flatwood's monster, Yeah, I I right now. I'm fond of
• 47:45
  the possibility that it was some type of technology, you know who. Here's
• 47:50
  the background on the Flatwoods Monster at seven fifteen pm on September twelfth, nineteen
• 47:55
  fifty two, to two brothers Edward and Fred May and their friend Tommy Hayer
• 48:00
  said that they saw a bright object across the sky and the land on the
• 48:02
  property of local farmer Bailey Fisher. The boys went to the home of Kathleen
• 48:07
  May, where they told their story. May accompanied the three boys, local
• 48:10
  children Neil Newley and Ronnie Schaeffer, and the West Virginia National Guardsman Eugene Lemon
• 48:19
  went to Fisher farm in the effort to locate whatever the boys that said they
• 48:22
  had seen. The group reached the top of the hill where Neely said they
• 48:25
  saw a pulsing red light. Lemon said that he aimed the flashlight in the
• 48:30
  direction and saw a tall man like figure with a round red face surrounded by
• 48:37
  a pointed hoodlike shape. Descriptions very in the article of Fate Magazine, based
• 48:40
  on his tape recorded interviews. UFO writer Gay Gray Backer described a figure as
• 48:50
  approximately ten feet tall and three meters t well three meters ten feet er three
• 48:55
  meters, with a round, blood red face, a large pointed hood like
• 49:00
  shape around the face, eyes like shapes which emitted greenish oranges light with a
• 49:05
  dark and black green body. May describe the figure as having a small claw
• 49:08
  like hands, clothing like folds in a head that resembled the ace of spades.
• 49:13
  According to the story, when the figure made a hissing sound and glided
• 49:16
  toward the group, limits screamed and dropped a flashlight, causing the group to
• 49:21
  run away. And there's several other sighting, well, two other sightings I
• 49:25
  believe of the flat Woods Monster, but they didn't happen until after that original
• 49:30
  sighting. Well, I think one of them with the gentleman that was driving
• 49:35
  his car with his wife stopped on the side of the road and the flat
• 49:38
  Woods Monster came up to the hood of the car and smashed his hands on
• 49:43
  the car. But apparently that happened before the original sighting, but that story
• 49:49
  didn't get told until after the original sighting, so it's kind of convoluted.
• 49:52
  And I think the flat Woods Monster case is one of those that cannot be
• 49:59
  explained by the details cannot be explained away by it was a giant owl.
• 50:06
  I've heard that one before. It's like, I think it was way too
• 50:09
  big to have been a misidentified owl, and the other details and you know
• 50:15
  all the accounts, so that one is a bonafide mystery for sure. Let
• 50:21
  me put another twist on it, because I'm going to reach back to my
• 50:23
  local folklore in the area where I live. Is there was folklore for years
• 50:28
  of something in this area. And you can look this up called the Choka
• 50:30
  Laca monster, and it was sighted back in Is that a brother of Count
• 50:37
  Chocula. I know, Chapa Locka is an Indian words. It was an
• 50:40
  Indian town and this part this part of the world. But you know,
• 50:46
  people would see this strange kind of like the flatwood monster, this probably eight
• 50:51
  foot tall thing with this like weird white head and these like antennas in this
• 50:55
  drape thing coming down. And people would see this thing, you know,
• 51:00
  as they were driving along. And our minor league baseball team, Farmer League
• 51:04
  Baseball team is actually called the Chocalacka Monsters. But and it turned out,
• 51:10
  you know, people were like, you know, I'm gonna go shoot me
• 51:13
  a monster. So people would be roaming around in the woods, you know,
• 51:15
  hunt for this thing. And it came out one time and people took
• 51:19
  a shot at it and it disappeared until I think it was in the nineteen
• 51:23
  nineties or the two thousands that two men came clean. And what they did
• 51:30
  is they had an old overcoat and there were two kids just messing around out
• 51:36
  on a country road. They found had an old overcoat, and they found
• 51:38
  a cow skull, and they would put the cow skull on their head and
• 51:43
  put the overcoat and they would kind of dance along the side of the road
• 51:45
  and then disappear in the woods. And when people started shooting at them,
• 51:49
  they're like, yeah, this is getting a little too serious. Yeah,
• 51:52
  they And I mean, you can you know, there's a news story about
• 51:57
  these two men, you know, coming clean with this and and so you
• 52:00
  know, I always wonder and I'm not saying you're not throwing any shade on
• 52:06
  the witnesses of the flat Woods Monster, but you know, could it have
• 52:09
  been you know, something made out of paper mache and chicken wire, you
• 52:15
  know, with a flit sprayer, you know, like the uh you know,
• 52:17
  the phantom gas or you know, they squirted out some kind of noxious
• 52:21
  gas to them and they ran off and everybody had a good laugh at it.
• 52:27
  It's possible. That's the thing is is, because we do know that
• 52:31
  witnesses depending upon the intensity of the experience. You know, anxiety and excitement
• 52:38
  can get you to exaggerate what you saw, you know, and that's no
• 52:45
  fault of theirs. It's because they can only react to what they're perceiving,
• 52:50
  right, So yeah, it could be that what they described could have been
• 52:53
  an exaggeration of something much more mundane, like somebody pulling up rank I can't
• 53:01
  find Chocolaca monster. Here's here's how you spell it, Charlie Hotel, Oscar
• 53:09
  Charlie Charlie, Oscar Lima, Oscar Charlie Charlie Oscar chocolaca co. And here's
• 53:17
  a uh, there's a picture of one of the hoaxers with the skull yep.
• 53:29
  So you know, I always have to you know, maybe it was
• 53:31
  a legitimate sighting of something strange, but you know, maybe the reason for
• 53:35
  that sighting was much more pedestrian than you know, I mean, it's not
• 53:38
  fun to say that. It's that's kind of boring, but you know,
• 53:43
  who knows. Yeah, it's Uh, It's why we talk about these things
• 53:49
  in terms of being mysteries, is you know, we're at that nobody knows
• 53:54
  yet for sure stage, and then even if something does get explained, how
• 54:01
  many people are going to accept the explanation right because of other situations where they've
• 54:07
  we've either been lied to before or you know, you just don't know what
• 54:14
  what to believe in. Yeah, and you know, people get emotionally involved,
• 54:20
  you know, in their belief system, you know, whether that be
• 54:22
  traditional religion or you know something like you know, upology, cryptology, para
• 54:29
  boy whatever. Yeah, I mean, look at look at the Roswell,
• 54:31
  the roswell et hypothesis. I think that still is kept in the center stage
• 54:37
  and just religiously held onto because of financial stake in it having been an et
• 54:45
  event, not people making money on you know, Roswell being ets, so
• 54:51
  you know they don't want anyone talking about other possibilities. But what is this
• 54:53
  is that there's a monster? No, no, no, uh let's see
• 55:07
  no shacka locka. That's shack alacka ding dong. No, it's uh okay,
• 55:15
  somebody needs to go back to a medial spelling. H. I know
• 55:22
  what's a weird word? C h O C C c h O C C
• 55:29
  there. Yeah, chaca laca monster that's it. And see you see the
• 55:38
  logo of our well, I like that our former league. It's the actually
• 55:43
  the cow skull that was used as the hoax. I got to get one
• 55:46
  of those hats. I like that. The minor league teams always have the
• 55:51
  best mascots and logos. Yeah. Up north of here, Uh, Huntsville
• 55:54
  has the trash pandas, so that's another good Yeah, the minor League are
• 56:00
  infinitely more interesting than the others. So this is uh something from Native American.
• 56:07
  No, it was uh chaka Laca is the community. You know,
• 56:12
  it was an old Indian community and it's uh it's a Creek word. You
• 56:16
  can see right, they were choco lago, which means big shoals. So
• 56:20
  you just saying Chocolaca struck a lago, okay, right, And so you
• 56:25
  know people saw this creature in this region and they're like, oh, we're
• 56:30
  going to call it the Chocolaca co monster of I mean that kind of makes
• 56:34
  sense. And so you know it's one of those things that you know,
• 56:37
  this folklore started developing about it and oh yeah, you know I saw it.
• 56:42
  You know, it ran after me, and you know it's just you
• 56:45
  know, just embellishment. And then years later, you know the two two
• 56:49
  you know now men uh you know had a pang of conscience and uh,
• 56:53
  you know, came clean about it. Yeah, we just put a cow
• 56:55
  skull on our head and danced around on the road until somebody shot at us,
• 56:59
  you know, and then we thought that wasn't fun anymore. Or yeah,
• 57:04
  girls, you know one or the other. That's often what happens when
• 57:07
  young males, you know. Or it's there's kind of an interesting correlation here
• 57:15
  to the the famous what's the famous bigfoot film? Oh the uh there's a
• 57:22
  cruder film. No, no, not another film, Patterson Gimblin film,
• 57:27
  Patterson Gimmlin film. I'm sorry. I'm still in the camp that that was
• 57:31
  a hoax. And know, yeah, I I haven't been convinced yet,
• 57:37
  even with all the latest you know who ha that that was a real creature,
• 57:45
  But there are folks who do and yeah, yeah one of them.
• 57:51
  So you think that's that's legitimately a bigfoot in that film. I think that's
• 57:55
  legitimately a unclassified creature that you know, that of an unknown genus and species.
• 58:05
  Uh. And the reason for that is, you know, some of
• 58:07
  the reviews of that film that have been done by anthropologists, physiologists, people
• 58:14
  like that, and the musculature you know, of that image of that being
• 58:20
  or whatever it is, matches with the same musculature that you would expect to
• 58:23
  see on a creature that size. Now, a ape suit, you know,
• 58:28
  like you would buy back in the sixties isn't going to have that same
• 58:31
  kind of detail. You're not going to see the muscles ripple, you know,
• 58:35
  as it moves, you know, as the quads flex as that.
• 58:38
  So that's been convincingly presented that it was well it hasny there, yeah,
• 58:44
  yeah, and I'll look at it again. Yeah. And you know,
• 58:47
  I just think that the technology now, you know, now the twenty verse
• 58:51
  ins with deep fakes and you know, c G I and all of that.
• 58:52
  Yeah, okay, but using the technology back then, I think it's
• 58:59
  a stretch that it's a man in a monkey suit. Okay. And and
• 59:04
  of course you have you know, people that have come forward and said,
• 59:07
  oh, you know, I help acquire the suit from you know, a
• 59:10
  special effects studio, blah blah blah. But you know, it's just looking
• 59:15
  at it, you know, stabilized and trained eyes. I'm not a you
• 59:20
  know, I'm not an anthropologist. I'm not a physiologologist or you know,
• 59:23
  exercise uh, you know, therapy guy. But you know, people that
• 59:28
  do have that kind of expertise looked at the way the musculature runs across,
• 59:32
  you know, the frame, the skeletal frame, and they're convinced that it's
• 59:37
  not a person in a suit, and they stop there. They don't say
• 59:39
  what it is. They're just convinced it's not a person in a suit.
• 59:44
  Okay, So q e D you know, is perhaps an undiscovered hominid,
• 59:49
  you know, in the American Rush, which but I agree, I'm totally
• 59:52
  am on board with that. I think there's unidentified you know, animals all
• 59:58
  over the world. You know, no problem there. Okay, Well,
• 1:00:04
  I mean we're discovering new animals every single year, right, yeah, yeah,
• 1:00:08
  it's not out of the realm of possibility. I don't really have any
• 1:00:13
  thoughts on the Patterson and Gimblin footage. I mean, I'm kind of agnostic
• 1:00:16
  on it. Yeah, I'm not really particularly, I have to admit,
• 1:00:22
  I'm I'm not like against the idea that bigfoot exists. I'm just not into
• 1:00:27
  the bigfoot thing. Yeah, It's like, Okay, it doesn't really grab
• 1:00:30
  me because in my mind it's like, oh yeah, if it's proven to
• 1:00:35
  exist as such, I'm like oh yeah, of course for the reason that
• 1:00:37
  Trey, you know, was saying that it's another animal, because the silverback
• 1:00:43
  gorilla, if I'm not mistaken, was pretty much in the bigfoot mystery category
• 1:00:49
  for the longest time until like the eighteen nineties or something when it was finally
• 1:00:52
  identified as a primate. And then oh, the silverback gorilla, and it's
• 1:00:58
  like, of course, naturally so well, you know in the Ceila camp,
• 1:01:00
  you know, that was thought to be have been extinct for a million
• 1:01:04
  or some years, and then they caught one I think off the coast of
• 1:01:06
  Madagascar or whatever, and it's like, oh, oh, we were wrong.
• 1:01:12
  Here's let me. Let me throw a little twist on that though.
• 1:01:15
  What do you think about bigfoot, UFO ghosts and all of that being all
• 1:01:22
  part of the same thing. Because a lot of the people that and I'm
• 1:01:24
  talking about big names in the bigfoot research world, Yeah, you know,
• 1:01:29
  I know some of them, and they're now starting to come out and say,
• 1:01:31
  you know, when we were out there looking at these big foot we
• 1:01:36
  saw orbs, or we saw vessels in the sky, or we saw footprints
• 1:01:40
  run across a track trap and just stop, like whatever it was disappeared.
• 1:01:46
  Yeah, so could Bigfoot be part of the others are working on, behalf
• 1:01:52
  of the others, or just a big part of that mix that I think
• 1:01:57
  the key there to what you're talking about is uh. I've gone onto this
• 1:02:02
  with my associate Sesay and his mapping that he does at Alert Currents. David
• 1:02:07
  Plaid's has died. You know, when you look at the geography and the
• 1:02:14
  geology of the places where this is happening and it's related phenomena, it's funny
• 1:02:22
  how what you're talking about, UFOs orbs, Bigfoot, et cetera, et
• 1:02:27
  cetera, are also present in places of you know, high intensity of particular
• 1:02:34
  geological features. So that now that part of it really interests me. Yeah,
• 1:02:39
  geo concentrations of high strangeness absolutely, yeah, yeah, speaking of like
• 1:02:49
  concentrations of high strangeness. And when it comes to cattle mutilations, I believe
• 1:02:59
  that the entire mutilations was perpetrated by the military in order to scare the ranchers
• 1:03:05
  into voting or for or against something and passing new laws. But the interesting
• 1:03:09
  thing is that it's not just cattle that's been mutilated. And Tray, We've
• 1:03:15
  talked about this a couple of times. It's also been humans. There's been
• 1:03:22
  human mutilations with their eyes removed, organs removed with no blood, and which
• 1:03:28
  people hardly ever talk about for some reason. And it's probably because cows are
• 1:03:32
  one thing and everyone can speculate about what that is, but humans are a
• 1:03:38
  completely different thing, and human mutilations would affect everyone, right. Yeah,
• 1:03:46
  I think the idea of human mutilations, like you know, abductions, that
• 1:03:52
  creates a sense of existential dread. Yeah, brigging being abducted and mutilated.
• 1:03:58
  That's serious existential dread. And that's why I think people don't want to talk
• 1:04:02
  about it, and a lot of people get really wigged out when you bring
• 1:04:06
  it up. But you know, there have been I have to dig through
• 1:04:09
  my stack of stuff here, but you know, there have been several,
• 1:04:11
  at least two cases I know of that have the hallmarks of what we have
• 1:04:18
  deemed to be cattle mutilations, that they have the same kind of signatures,
• 1:04:24
  except these are on human bodies. And I'm gonna dig that up. Well,
• 1:04:29
  I've heard that. I've heard again, this is something i've heard.
• 1:04:32
  Maybe you guys can clarify this for me, but I've heard that for example,
• 1:04:35
  Linda Moulton Howe refuses to speak about the human mutilations when asked, is
• 1:04:41
  that true or is that just apocryphal tale. I'm not sure on that,
• 1:04:45
  but she's all in the camp of cattle mutilations, kind of broke the whole
• 1:04:51
  cattle mutilation thing and proposed to the area that is extraterrestrials. But as far
• 1:04:59
  as I've asked, if people at conferences, just like straight up during their
• 1:05:02
  presentations that when they do it on you know, cattle mutilations and stuff like
• 1:05:08
  that, I'm like, hey, well, you know what about human mutilations.
• 1:05:11
  You know, that's a little bit more scary of a thing to me
• 1:05:15
  than cattle mutilations. And they don't want to talk about it, and they
• 1:05:19
  just kind of freeze up. They're like, ah, yeah, it's it
• 1:05:25
  exactly how Trede put it. When it's people, it's another thing entirely,
• 1:05:29
  and it ugh, yeah it. You know a lot of times like in
• 1:05:38
  UFO Land, And I've commented about this for years openly, this idea that,
• 1:05:45
  for example, all the ets are friendly and peace loving because if you
• 1:05:49
  develop a technology to traverse the stars, you've overcome your belligerence and you'll never
• 1:05:56
  want war in your peace loving and I, oh my god, what a
• 1:06:00
  load of childish crap for people to propose. And what's my point of this
• 1:06:08
  that if it is the if these human mutilations, for example, are the
• 1:06:13
  result of some type of otherworldly abduction, and these other worldly beings or ets
• 1:06:17
  are doing this kind of stuff, yikes, you know that goes against the
• 1:06:23
  et is peaceful loving space angels, which is not practical, that's not rational.
• 1:06:30
  It's childish. Timon. He hasn't seen a documented case of human mutilation
• 1:06:35
  yet, try yeah to two things to look up is look up the uh,
• 1:06:42
  the human mutilations at the Billings Reservoir in San Paulo, Brazil, Brazil.
• 1:06:49
  And this is I mean, I'm not going to show him right here,
• 1:06:51
  but here's a really good report. I'm just going to share the front
• 1:06:57
  of the report with the photographs, which I'm not going to show. They're
• 1:07:00
  pretty awful, but it's actual testimonies by the coroner, you know, on
• 1:07:06
  why that this was not uh, you know, in line with you know,
• 1:07:13
  animal preditation and you know and stuff like that, and why this seemed
• 1:07:15
  you know, very strange and uh, And I'm looking at the autopsy report
• 1:07:20
  right here was in nineteen ninety four. Left eyever was removed, left eyelid
• 1:07:26
  removed, ear removed, lips removed, side of the jaw was completely removed,
• 1:07:30
  and two cookie cutter wounds on the chest, you know, like bores
• 1:07:36
  and total excanguiation, no blood. So uh it's yeah, I mean I'm
• 1:07:45
  looking at the and there's a hole in the thigh some other stuff and it's
• 1:07:50
  pretty disturbing stuff, pretty gory stuff. But uh there's some really good,
• 1:07:55
  uh you know information out there if anybody wants to look at it. Uh.
• 1:08:00
  So you got that. And then you've got a case in called the
• 1:08:05
  Lovette Cunningham incident. And this took place. This was an American Air Force
• 1:08:11
  sergeant who was apparently abducted in New Mexico. Let's see what was the year
• 1:08:17
  on that. And you know, it's kind of one of those things that's
• 1:08:21
  mentioned in you know, folklore, and of course, you know, people
• 1:08:27
  said I've seen you know it was. It was referenced in the Project Grudge
• 1:08:30
  Report number thirteen, you know, where some people said they read it in
• 1:08:34
  an old Project Grudge report, which was a pred predecessor to Project Blue Book.
• 1:08:40
  But nobody's been able to produce this, but supposedly, you know,
• 1:08:45
  there was a abduction and mutilation in Holloman Air Force Base, you know,
• 1:08:50
  in New Mexico. So and this was in let's see nineteen let's see nineteen
• 1:09:05
  fifty six, and you can you can look up the uh the LOVET L
• 1:09:12
  O V E T T E. Cutting Ham incident and they'll you can find
• 1:09:15
  some stuff on it there. So those are two cases, uh, you
• 1:09:19
  know, we're purported human mutilations that kind of coincide with you know, cattle
• 1:09:26
  mutilations. And what's really interesting is you know the you know, Linda Linda
• 1:09:30
  came up with the documentary A Strange Harvest. But one of the coolest things
• 1:09:36
  this is going to sound really weird, but one of the neatest articles,
• 1:09:40
  very old school articles on cattle mutilation was actually in Wei magazine back in I
• 1:09:45
  think nineteen seventy five. I've got a copy of it here and I bought
• 1:09:48
  it for the articles. Guys, come on now with me a break.
• 1:09:51
  You know, it was one of the first really serious articles on cattle mutilation.
• 1:09:57
  And you know, writer, you were talking about, you know,
• 1:10:00
  being done by the government in that article, the the journalists interviewed a lot
• 1:10:05
  of locals and one of the things that they one of their theories was helicopters
• 1:10:11
  were coming in, you know, dropping people down. They were doing stuff
• 1:10:14
  with flying off and in that area, I think in tech in Arizona,
• 1:10:18
  No. No of Colorado, Colorado is people had reported seeing large trucks pulling
• 1:10:26
  gigantic white trailers. Now you know, we know that there are helicopter transport
• 1:10:33
  trailers that are big goose neck trailers, you know, our agencies using them
• 1:10:38
  to move their air assets, you know, kind of inconspicuously from point A
• 1:10:42
  to point B. And so it's interesting that the prime mover to move a
• 1:10:46
  rotary wing, small rotary wing like a you know, a loach or something.
• 1:10:50
  They describe basically what a prime mover for those assets would look like,
• 1:10:56
  you know, when they were being interviewed. So it's a really interesting article.
• 1:11:00
  If you go and look at the FBI archives on cattle mutilations, they
• 1:11:06
  refer to that article and they've got a really bad copy of it in their
• 1:11:12
  archives. I've got a much much cleaner copy because I copied it straight from
• 1:11:15
  the magazine. But it's it's really good. If anybody wants to go and
• 1:11:19
  read some of the first you know, talks at you know, first discussions
• 1:11:24
  of animal mumulations, and they look at the satanic, you know, ritualistic
• 1:11:27
  aspects of it, and they really go all over the place. So it's
• 1:11:30
  a good read if anybody's interested in the whole mutilation thing. Well, were
• 1:11:34
  any of the victims of the the id Love Past incident also dreamed of their
• 1:11:41
  blood in nineteen fifty eight or did they have their blood as well? Differ
• 1:11:46
  what happens? I have the diad Love Past report right here. Yeah,
• 1:11:51
  it was. Let's see what we had is let's see died. Alave diet
• 1:11:59
  of hypotheria, do Rashinko died of hypothermia, Dubinia died of internal bleeding from
• 1:12:03
  severe chest trauma. Uh Kunasvinko died of hypothermia. Coutult Tav died of Hypothermiama
• 1:12:14
  Gorva died of hypothermia. UH thipodeau briganoles uh fatal skull injury. H So,
• 1:12:23
  you know, they were kind of all kinds of uh, you know,
• 1:12:26
  kinds of uh injuries to these people, especially when they had some major
• 1:12:31
  internal you know, uh thoracic trauma. But with no signs of external you
• 1:12:36
  know damage, you know, no no lacerations or anything. You know,
• 1:12:41
  it's almost like something crushed them. So that's a that's a very strange and
• 1:12:45
  I don't believe the whole slab avalanche theory. That just doesn't make sense to
• 1:12:48
  me, uh, doing that kind of damage. Uh. And there was
• 1:12:53
  another case, and I think writer you and I talked about it in UH
• 1:12:58
  or somewhere else that had Yeah, that was the Kamar Duban incident of nineteen
• 1:13:02
  ninety three. Very interesting incident, and I think that was probably covert testing
• 1:13:10
  of a nerve agent SAREN or GX or VK or GB or some sort of
• 1:13:15
  variant of SAREN. Nineteen ninety three Kamar Duban incident. Six members of a
• 1:13:20
  seven person hiking group led by Corvinia died in the mysterious circumstances in nineteen ninety
• 1:13:27
  three. Valentino or Dachenko was the only survivor. Later autopsies found signs of
• 1:13:31
  hypothermia and protein deficiency in the deceased members of the hiking group. This one's
• 1:13:38
  a very interesting one because there wasn't actually there was actually a survivor of it,
• 1:13:43
  and she talked about how they would just all fall to the ground and
• 1:13:45
  start convulsing and like foaming at the mouth and bleeding from their eyes and bleeding
• 1:13:50
  from their ears, like one by one, and as each one of them
• 1:13:55
  got closer to the other one that had these symptoms, they would also obsert
• 1:14:00
  the same symptoms. Would also fought on the ground. Yeah. One lady
• 1:14:05
  even bashor had against the rock until she killed herself. Yeah to me,
• 1:14:14
  and you know, I used to work with chemical weapons years ago as a
• 1:14:17
  security guy, and it sounds to me like the symptoms you would display when
• 1:14:24
  your colon estrate is suppressed, you know, and your nerves can no longer
• 1:14:27
  communicate with one one another. And that is the mechanism that nerve agents,
• 1:14:30
  you know, kill people, is they suppress their colon estrate and their body
• 1:14:34
  and their nerves and signals from the brain to your various organs. So yeah,
• 1:14:41
  that's another weird case though. Uh, you know, just people you
• 1:14:45
  know, out hiking, you know and joining the outdoors and dying. And
• 1:14:46
  then you know, Walter mentioned, you know, David Plaid's you know a
• 1:14:49
  lot of them missing for one. Stuff where people just either they disappear,
• 1:14:55
  they're gone, completely or they disappear. And I remember one case of a
• 1:15:00
  hunter. They found this guy's body like nine miles away from the last known
• 1:15:06
  point, and he didn't have his boots. They found his boots like five
• 1:15:11
  miles from his body, you know, And anybody that's ever done any hiking,
• 1:15:14
  you know in the you know, the rocky mountains, you don't hike
• 1:15:16
  without your boots. You can't travel, you know. That's that's one of
• 1:15:19
  the things you do with you know, if your your mission is compromised and
• 1:15:24
  you don't want to take somebody prisoner is you take their boots and then you
• 1:15:28
  ddmult out of there and it's going to take them a while to walk back
• 1:15:30
  to wherever it is to report it. Uh, you know that's why you
• 1:15:34
  know, seizing shoes and boots was always, you know, something you did
• 1:15:38
  with prisoners. So so why would this guy not have boots? So yeah,
• 1:15:41
  you tie this back into incidents like this, like the Diadlov pass incident.
• 1:15:45
  You tie that back into the human mutilations incident incidents, and it gets
• 1:15:49
  really strange. Now, where it gets even stranger is when you start overlaying
• 1:15:55
  things like the fray effect, which are certain physiological things that people experience when
• 1:16:00
  they're exposed to about one point three gigahertz in the RF spectrum, is they
• 1:16:04
  start having audible sounds to look at the something called that. All I'm saying
• 1:16:10
  now is open source. I'm not you know, giving away any you know,
• 1:16:14
  any inside inside baseball stuff. But there's some speculation that the Fray effect
• 1:16:18
  is what calls some of the Havana syndrome, you know, was a microwave
• 1:16:23
  energy in the microwave you know spectrum. So you know, if somebody is
• 1:16:30
  being beamed with microwave energy is causing a Fray effect? What it cause you
• 1:16:33
  to bash your head against a rock and panic or out of sheer pain?
• 1:16:39
  What about hallucinations with that technology? Is that part of it? The U
• 1:16:44
  the Fray effect does not mention hallucinations. But something that is interesting is there's
• 1:16:49
  a thing called electromagnetic hypersensitivity, okay, and that can cause people to have
• 1:16:57
  a very strange feeling of dread depression. And we're using a technology in some
• 1:17:03
  of our research I call the core and helmet where we stimulate different parts of
• 1:17:08
  your brain with a very light electromagnetic fields, and that can cause feelings of
• 1:17:14
  presence like you feel like somebody's watching you, or somebody standing next to you.
• 1:17:16
  You're blindfolded, but you have these almost holistic hallucinations, not that you
• 1:17:24
  see something, but you sense, you know, certain things being around you.
• 1:17:27
  So you know, if I can, if I can create those effects
• 1:17:30
  with you know, weak fields of electromagnetic fields on your head, A stronger
• 1:17:34
  electromagnetic field I would think could cause hallucinations, as that certainly seems reasonable to
• 1:17:40
  me. Well, there's there's the Voice of God technology that Delgado cop patented
• 1:17:48
  in what nineteen sixty four, Yeah, something like that, Yeah, which
• 1:17:54
  is that they can talk to you into your head remotely. Right. I
• 1:18:00
  think it's induction. I think it causes induction in the inner ear. And
• 1:18:02
  also, and I cannot remember the technology. It was designed as a I
• 1:18:10
  think originally designed as a less lethal force option. But it's a panel that
• 1:18:15
  direct sound and a very narrow, tight beam. Uh you know, I
• 1:18:18
  could you know you, Walter, you and Rider could be standing next to
• 1:18:23
  one another and at one hundred meters I could zoom in a Walter, Walter
• 1:18:26
  is gonna hear a voice, and you're not gonna know what he's talking about.
• 1:18:29
  I could turn the thing up to two hundred decibels. Walter's rolling around
• 1:18:32
  on the ground screaming, trying to claw his ears off, and Rider you
• 1:18:36
  don't know what's going on. Wow. You know that technology that's actually used
• 1:18:41
  as crowd control technology now. And if you look at long distance haling devices
• 1:18:45
  on ships, that's what they are is, you know, their directed sound.
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  I'm not gonna call them weapons, but sound technology. I think John
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  Lexander worked on some of that stuff years ago too, because some of the
• 1:18:59
  survivors of the I think some of the more interesting stories of the missing,
• 1:19:03
  for one one is the survivors of the missing for one one, right,
• 1:19:09
  because they tell stories like they're very disoriented. They don't know where they are.
• 1:19:14
  They're, you know, close to the shelter, but they can't see
• 1:19:16
  the shelter. You know, it's like their environment has completely changed. That
• 1:19:23
  happened to me, That's happened to me in a place I know very well.
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  Extreme disorientation, go water, the technology like you've been describing the last
• 1:19:34
  few minutes, and like what writer was saying, Polites points out, and
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  I know that Sessary has looked at this too. The presence, the heavy
• 1:19:45
  presence of granite, right, and we know that granite has special properties.
• 1:19:50
  It's pizoelectric. It can you know, I'm wondering now and people look at
• 1:19:56
  that and go, oh, that must cause some interdimensional thing. But how
• 1:19:59
  how how can granted be used with this? Could they aim this technology and
• 1:20:03
  granted the presence of granite enhance it or intensify it? Well? Yeah,
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  you know, I it's I'm getting way out of my field now. But
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  you know, you talked about the phisioelectric you know effect. You know,
• 1:20:16
  you take certain certain rocks and you push them in tectonic forces that will cause
• 1:20:23
  lightning, you know, and energy to be released. Kind of along those
• 1:20:27
  same ways. How does a microwave work? A microwave works? You're taking
• 1:20:30
  microwave r F energy radio freqency and you're oscillating molecules inside of a moist object,
• 1:20:38
  you know, a piece of ham or whatever. Yeah, why could
• 1:20:42
  that not be used? Uh, you know as a weapon and you know,
• 1:20:46
  to disorient people? And there has I have read some speculations and uh
• 1:20:54
  and I think there's actually been made public now that there is a directed energy
• 1:20:58
  weapon that forces can direct into a crowd of people and it causes the uh,
• 1:21:03
  the molecules on your epidermist to oscillate, and it gets really hot.
• 1:21:10
  Wherever that thing is pointing, you don't want to be. You want to
• 1:21:13
  be somewhere else. So this is all you know from the d d's Less
• 1:21:15
  Lethal Development Office. Uh, you know some of these technologies. So yeah,
• 1:21:21
  So what if you aim that kind of energy whoever you know, aim
• 1:21:25
  that kind of energy into a field, either with grantited or quartz and causing
• 1:21:30
  you know, those molecules, those minerals to oscillate. What would the side
• 1:21:33
  effect be? What would the residuals be? That's a good question because the
• 1:21:38
  place where this happened to me is it I mean you can see big hunks
• 1:21:41
  of you know, quartz just sitting on the ground. I mean, it's
• 1:21:45
  just ate up with the stuff. Yeah. I have to wonder if that,
• 1:21:46
  if that's not somehow taken advantage of, you know, in these instances.
• 1:21:54
  So what a high dose, a concentrated dose of radiation almost not do
• 1:22:00
  the same thing. You know. That's interesting because when I had my experience,
• 1:22:05
  we had a radiation spike of a background of about point zero seven microceiverts
• 1:22:11
  per hour. It jumped up to about point three to three micro siverts per
• 1:22:15
  hour when that happened at disorientation. So you know, I'm not a physicist,
• 1:22:20
  so I would really be you know, not fair for me to speculate
• 1:22:24
  on that. But you know, energy is energy, you know, and
• 1:22:26
  you can harness that in many different ways. It makes sense. Yeah,
• 1:22:30
  that would make sense if it was a maybe a natural causing concentrated dose of
• 1:22:42
  radiation in that area, and that could be responsible for the Camara Dubon incident
• 1:22:47
  along with the nerve agent or something like that and making them sick, and
• 1:22:50
  maybe responsible for what you experienced with your disorientation and your environment, you know,
• 1:22:58
  kind of changing. And then also would be an explanation to what a
• 1:23:01
  lot of the missing four one one people also experience. But then it comes
• 1:23:06
  in the question, well, why would high doses of radiations be out in
• 1:23:13
  the middle of the woods. Well, that's that's that's interesting because you know,
• 1:23:16
  you talked about the Dad law Pass incident and I can't remember which one
• 1:23:23
  it was. I'm gonna have to go dig around through my stuff here,
• 1:23:26
  but one of the things is one of the victims at elevated levels of radiation
• 1:23:31
  on his body, you know, and that was never you know, there's
• 1:23:36
  all kinds of speculation, Oh, you know he worked with isotopes at the
• 1:23:40
  university or whatever, but you know, there never was a concrete explanation is
• 1:23:45
  and you know, tie that into some of our odd radiation spikes we've had.
• 1:23:48
  Yeah, it certainly makes you wonder, you know, is that another
• 1:23:50
  indicator of these geoconcentrations of a high strangeness is radiation unexplained radiation spikes. If
• 1:24:00
  you're looking at it also from the technological perspective as causality, then the question
• 1:24:09
  is, Okay, what could be what could be in these national parks that
• 1:24:16
  this would be a side effect of whatever technology is present there. You know,
• 1:24:25
  think about it. Out in the middle of the wilderness would be a
• 1:24:27
  great place to have some type of facility that you don't want the crowd too,
• 1:24:33
  you know, being stumbling upon or walking past every day. You know,
• 1:24:41
  there's that possibility. And then when you look at some of the cases
• 1:24:45
  that Politi's documents of some of these people being scientists, right and they turn
• 1:24:55
  up missing. Maybe they were scientists involved with whatever's they are. I don't
• 1:25:00
  know. That's pure speculation, but you know it's something that has to be
• 1:25:03
  considered I think, you know, and and that that could explain why the
• 1:25:09
  the Forestry Division agent told polities you'll never get that stuff, and why they're
• 1:25:14
  reluctant to share anything with and which which is really interesting because I currently have
• 1:25:18
  a Foyer request with the US four Service to uh uh missing persons in a
• 1:25:26
  certain area for it okay cool and uh cult activity because there was a cult
• 1:25:32
  related murder in this forest and the cultists, uh, we're living in like
• 1:25:40
  a compound, you know, off grid. And then the media news media
• 1:25:44
  stories talk about, you know, they track the murderer to this compound and
• 1:25:47
  you know, but they never said what they did with it. They never
• 1:25:50
  said did they clear the people out, did they arrest them, what happened
• 1:25:55
  to them? Are they still out there? And it's like in you know
• 1:26:00
  you've worked with FOYA stuff I have too, is you can't just ignore a
• 1:26:03
  Foyer request. You have to either come back and say we have the information,
• 1:26:08
  We're not going to give it to you. It's under one of the
• 1:26:11
  nine exemptions of the Freedom Information Act. Or we do have it, we're
• 1:26:14
  going to give it to you and it'll cost this much, or we're going
• 1:26:16
  to be really nice and just give it to you for free, you know,
• 1:26:20
  but you don't just ignore it. So but you know mine is you
• 1:26:24
  know, I'm getting ready probably next week to send it again. This common
• 1:26:28
  you writing, you know, hard copy. And you know, while you
• 1:26:31
  were talking, Walter made me think, is you know the US Military DoD
• 1:26:35
  does operations in national forest. The best known one is Robin Sage, which
• 1:26:42
  is the final exercise for US Army soldiers graduating the US Special Forces School there
• 1:26:48
  in North Carolina. Another one is the US Army Rangers operate, you know,
• 1:26:54
  in the U Rii National Forest the Carolinas, out around Camp Frankdin Merrill
• 1:26:58
  near Delanaga, Georgia. You know, and every once in a while you
• 1:27:00
  will run across these guys, you know, out there doing their stuff,
• 1:27:02
  and I know, uh, I'm trying to think, is I have run
• 1:27:09
  operations with a team in public spaces in a training environment, you know,
• 1:27:15
  following people, trailing people, intercepting drops, stuff like that in a public
• 1:27:19
  space. You know, we we did that in public spaces. So you
• 1:27:24
  know, they do operate in public spaces, so that you know the idea
• 1:27:28
  of it being, you know, something done in the remoteness of a national
• 1:27:31
  forest or national park makes a lot of sense. Sure, sure, you
• 1:27:38
  know, as far as you know, strange either strange historical secrets, so
• 1:27:45
  to speak, or other strange things. What crossed my mind was go back
• 1:27:51
  to the days when I think, wasn't Teddy Roosevelt the one who started our
• 1:27:55
  national parks? Yeah, idea in system if you maybe someone should go back
• 1:28:01
  then and look at the specifics of the selection of the areas. Was it
• 1:28:08
  just purely because these are our beautiful wildernesses and it's a no brainer, or
• 1:28:13
  was it make sure the border of this includes this valley or that range?
• 1:28:19
  Right? Yeah, because when you look at Death Valley, the Panamint Range,
• 1:28:24
  right, going back to at least that book in the nineteen thirties by
• 1:28:28
  Borke Lee Death Valley Men, it talks about miners finding evidence of ancient civilizations
• 1:28:35
  that had been in Death Valley and such. And my understanding now is that
• 1:28:41
  the China Lake is that what it's called China Lake, Naval Weapons training facility
• 1:28:46
  and all that. Gee, they expanded their territory and it just so happened
• 1:28:51
  to include that very special area of the Panamin Mountains and Death Valley where all
• 1:28:58
  this stuff had been reported over the year. So in other words, no
• 1:29:00
  more civilians going to the Panama Mountains to investigate this. It's all in DoD
• 1:29:05
  property. So I wonder going back over one hundred years when they were deciding
• 1:29:12
  where the borders of the what the national park areas would be. Golly,
• 1:29:15
  could you find something in that that might be a clue that there was something
• 1:29:20
  weird that they acknowledged that they were aware of back then. I don't know.
• 1:29:26
  Yeah. Another thing you can do is you can go to what's called
• 1:29:29
  noems, which are published by the FAA noticed to airmen, okay, and
• 1:29:32
  you can look at listings for TFR temporary flight restrictions, which are restricted airspace,
• 1:29:38
  and some of those restrictions make no sense. It's just airspace is restricted
• 1:29:45
  over a two mile you know, you know PolyGram in the middle of nowhere,
• 1:29:51
  you know, and you'll pull it up on Google Earth and it's like,
• 1:29:54
  I don't see anything here, there's nothing here. There was something there
• 1:29:58
  at that time it was or you know, if it's still an active by
• 1:30:01
  temporary flight restriction, there's something still going on there, or there's some sort
• 1:30:05
  of emanation you know that you would detect through elin or mass in or something
• 1:30:10
  you know that's going on there that's a residual or still ongoing. I've heard
• 1:30:15
  that from a guy who's a commercial airline pilot and he lives in Florida.
• 1:30:21
  He talks about this big airport center that was built out in the middle of
• 1:30:27
  the Everglades and then they ended up because of politics and finances, they ended
• 1:30:31
  up not using it. But it's still there and still active. I found
• 1:30:36
  that interesting. Yeah, I look that up. It's it's still there.
• 1:30:40
  It's like this giant runway and you have you know, you know, support
• 1:30:44
  buildings and all of that. And I'm trying to remember what it was supposed
• 1:30:46
  to be used for. I don't, I don't. It was supposed to
• 1:30:49
  replace Miami International and it was supposed to be the air hub in the state
• 1:30:56
  of Florida, and it politics and money got it kabashed. But they had
• 1:31:01
  built it. I think that was during the Nixon administration when they were talking
• 1:31:04
  about building the trans Everglades Canal and trying to I think that's right. I
• 1:31:11
  mean, it's been in a while since I've read about that, but yeah,
• 1:31:14
  So how many of these other you know, operational airfields you know,
• 1:31:19
  are out there I know, you know, here in Alabama, we have
• 1:31:23
  Fort Rutger, So you'll be toodling along and there's this airfield, you know,
• 1:31:28
  just out in the middle of nowhere, and what they do is they
• 1:31:30
  practice flying from Fort Rutger as they training their aviators, you know, to
• 1:31:32
  this airfield and they land and they do their stuff and come back. But
• 1:31:35
  uh, you know, there's a lot of other really weird stuff. Like
• 1:31:39
  there was a airfield that I ran across in the middle of nowhere, and
• 1:31:43
  it had three camouflaged Lear jets sitting outside the hangar and it was just every
• 1:31:49
  day. Yeah, yeah, And I did some research, you know,
• 1:31:54
  I put on my analyst hat and I started digging. And it was a
• 1:31:58
  company that is it's a company that did government contracts. I just I'll put
• 1:32:05
  it like that. And one of the contracts this company had was for evacuation
• 1:32:12
  of extreme cases of biological contamination. That one of those Lyric jets had a
• 1:32:17
  biocontainment unit in it, and it's like, why is it in this airport
• 1:32:24
  in the middle of nowhere in Alabama so that they could you know, send
• 1:32:32
  the chopper with the victim or whatever out there as soon as possible. Get
• 1:32:38
  them on that plane and get them the hell out of there or whatever.
• 1:32:40
  I don't know, Or it was, you know, one of those places
• 1:32:42
  out in the middle of nowhere and you know, you know, maybe nobody
• 1:32:45
  really cares out there because it's so remote and you're not going to have a
• 1:32:47
  lot of traffic, you know, snooping and pooping around it. Well,
• 1:32:51
  one of the theories of the the the I Love Pass incident was that it
• 1:32:58
  was a military expar man because there's a isn't there a military base really close
• 1:33:04
  to where that incident happened. Yeah, I think there was a missile testing
• 1:33:09
  site. It wasn't a cosmodrone, but I think it was a missile testing
• 1:33:13
  site, and that was one of the theories is that these students witnessed a
• 1:33:17
  missile test or a failed test, and you know, the KGB, you
• 1:33:24
  know, that is a very ruthless organization back in the day, and it's
• 1:33:27
  you know, the FSB now is still very ruthless. Made the security lead
• 1:33:32
  go away. So or there is another theory that they were testing thermobaric weapons
• 1:33:41
  and they got too close and that explained just the explains of crush injuries you
• 1:33:45
  know, to their chest and everything with no external laceration. It's the over
• 1:33:47
  pressure you killed some of them. Very interesting, gentlemen. Well, I
• 1:33:54
  think we've covered a lot here this evening, and I want to thank both
• 1:33:58
  of you for coming on earlier. Appreciate your time this evening, and love
• 1:34:00
  to have you both back on sometime in the near future. Walter, can
• 1:34:05
  you let people know where to find you online and where they can purchase your
• 1:34:10
  book? Na, Yeah, absolutely. You can go to Walterbossley dot com
• 1:34:16
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• 1:34:19
  live stream at the Walter Bossley channel at YouTube every Wednesday and every Saturday,
• 1:34:26
  and you know, you go to either one of those two places and you
• 1:34:30
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  information is in the description of this video. Trey Hudson, my friend.
• 1:34:39
  Let people know where they can purchase your book The Yeah, just a quick
• 1:34:43
  plug for Walter. A lot of good stuff on his YouTube channel. Well,
• 1:34:45
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• 1:34:49
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• 1:35:06
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• 1:35:11
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• 1:35:14
  just wake your turn. And but you know, I am working on
• 1:35:16
  a second book that'll delve into some of the some of the stuff we've experienced
• 1:35:20
  in some of the other experiments we've done, like the God Helmet and things
• 1:35:24
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• 1:35:28
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