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Football at Four: A Look Inside Eagles TE Situation, NFC Playoff Contenders? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  course it's a Wednesday edition of Football at four. Jeff
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  Boucher also writes for Philly Voice dot com and he
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  had a nice piece up there that I was reading
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  last night about some of the free agent additions into
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  the tight end room, and it's funny motion I was
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  reading that. I kept thinking back to the time that
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  a big topic of conversation was Dallas Goddard not returning,
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  and now that he has returned, you right, the Eagles
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  have a deep tight end room. This was a room
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  that we were scratching our heads and wondering what they
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  were going to do there, and they all kind of
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  gathered this week and as they get together. Jeff Boscher,
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  by the way, you can read this article, TEU shows
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  depth of Birds tight end room. They are there for
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  the tight end University, which is something that has kind
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  of happened. It's another season where all the tight ends
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  at a three day summit for tight ends, and they
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  all the tight ends around the league get together and
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  it is it's in Nashville. They all get down there
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  and Dallas Goddard is there along with Grant Calcatara, e J. Jenkins,
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  the two free agent signings, Kaylan Grantson and Harris and
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  Bryant aren't there. So we got Jeff Mosher back on
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  the line here and Jeff, this tight end University is
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  happening down in Nashville. It's the week where tight ends
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  kind of are celebrated. And as you write about this
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  here that you know Goddard, we didn't know he was
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  gonna come back. We were wondering how this room would look.
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  And then as you write how deep this room is,
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  and I'm wondering, is that position gonna change, evolve or
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  be different now with the new offensive play caller.
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  Speaker 2: Well, certainly as the opportunity to evolve. And one thing
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  I wrote was that I can't remember a tight end
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  room that deeth and that experience. I mean, you can
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  look at the Super Bowl team, the first one twenty seventeen,
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  where you had Dallas Goddard and I'm sorry, you had
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  zach Ertz and you had Brent Selleck a lot of
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  experience and talent there, and you even had Strey Burton,
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  who I think was there a second maybe third year
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  at the time, I forget. So there was some good
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  divers and Burton was a guy who played quarterback at
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  times at Florida and was quite sort of that offensive
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  weapon type. So they had a good diversity of skills.
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  But Mike right behind Dallas Goddard. Now you have three
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  fourth round picks. One of them is Grant Calcutta who's
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  been playing for them for the last three years, and
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  then Alan Granton and Harris and Bryant are both fourth
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  round picks who were in situations with quarterbacks battle offenses.
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  Bryant won the Mackie Award in college, so I mean,
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  do you know he came into the league with some
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  stential to catch and ball. I believe it was over
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  a thousand yards in a round, well did the touchdowns
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  and when he was at I think it was at
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  school at So that's pretty good when you could say
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  you have three fourth round picks with all have NFL
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  experience behind your starter, and then even a guy like
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  j Jenkins who's been with the team who's a converted
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  wide receiver. A guy's two hundred and sixty pounds and
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  they've been really working on getting his blocking acumen up.
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  So that's another guy who's going to be in the mix.
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  And a guy Cameron Lot too, they got from the Niners.
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  He was I believe a third or fourth round pick also,
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  so he hasn't Nick Neiers Nick years from Vinkings.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: So you got a lot of guys here who have
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  experienced and can do things, and they're not all going
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  to make it.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff, you know, we look at this tight end room.
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  You got Goddard, what's the room in your mind? Who's
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  got the best shot at getting the next reps behind him?
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  Is it still cal Katara or is it one of
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  the guys that they've added and that we've talked about here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it kind of depends what they're looking for. I
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  think that Well, cal Katara has been the guy establishing
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  a rapport with Jalen Hurts, and you can see he
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  can give you something in the passing game, it doesn't
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  give you watching the blocking game. And he's willing but
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  not necessarily able. It's really not very good at it,
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  and then it hurts the team at times. Now Kylon
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  Granson is also not blocking tight end, but if you
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  look at his career averages, I mean he can stretch
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  the field for a tight end, getting between twelve and
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  fourteen yards per catch, and he can probably run a
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  little bit better even than cal Katera can. So if
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  they're really trying to open the passing game, you could
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  see Kylon Grantson being somebody who I thought looked pretty
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  good in a couple of the OTA sessions that were
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  open to the media Paris, and Bryan caught a couple
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  of passes too, So you know, the big question I
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  have is can Harrison Bryant block well? Can he block
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  better than cal Katara? He has come from some offenses
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  there and with the Raiders last year and the Browns
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  before that, where they do like to run the ball
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  and they're asked to block. So if he can block,
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  we already know he can catch the ball well, then
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  maybe you would get more of an od than Kylan Granson.
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  But it's looking for just past, past past, and Granson's
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  the guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it will be interesting.
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  Speaker 1: That'll be an interesting you know, uh training camp to
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  see how they you know, elect to kind of keep
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  that root together, break it up do something different because,
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  as we said, Kevin Batula might want to incorporate the
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  tight end a little bit more right then, and to
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  do that he might look at guys a little differently.
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  Although Calcata has shown, uh he can catch the football.
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  While you know why Goddard's been out, he has been
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  a part of the of the passing game there. Now
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  do they consider keeping four tight ends? How deep and
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  experience this group looks.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't think that that's necessary anymore. With what
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  you're able to use on your practice squad and having
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  guys that you can elevate that to me, it's a
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  waste of a roster spot unless you've got like a
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  young developmental one that you want to make sure you
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  hold on to. But even then, for its kind of
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  a lot, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Jeff Boscher Football at four for the Inside the
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  Birds podcast, tight End you good stuff there. Read that
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  article about Goddard because you guys had Godard on him
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  talking about how things could be different. You know, you
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  take a look at what Goddard brings to the table.
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  We would imagine this is his last year here with
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  the team. But do you, like you look back and say,
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  could they get more from him or is this what
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  he is? Because every year we feel like, oh, this
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  is gonna be the big year for Goddard. There's so
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  much there, you know, when you look at him, some
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  people think he's one of those top ten tight ends,
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  but the numbers just don't really break out.
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  Speaker 3: He always gets hurt.
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  Speaker 1: But could he be Do you think he could or
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  should be a bigger factor in this offense?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to be a bigger factor in the
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  offense than he was when it mattered, and that was
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  the postseason. He led the Eagles and catches or receiving
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  yards during the playoffs, so he was, you know, the
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  facto stat wise, their most important pass catcher in the playoffs.
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  Could he have a bigger role throughout the season. Sure?
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  Obviously a lot of that is dependent on staying healthy.
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  But what mitigates him maybe being in that Kelsey Kittle, Laporta,
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  Rage or McBride right is the fact that the offense
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  is never going to revolve around him.
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  Speaker 3: Never.
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  Speaker 2: He's never gonna be a centerpiece. He's far behind, well
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  not far, but he's behind aj Brown Devonte Smith in
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  the pecking order. So at there might be a game
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  or two or sporadically throughout the year where he gets
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  more targets than those guys. But at the end of
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  the year, when you know, like we were talking about
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  the back of the baseball cards for a guy right
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  when he's struggling at the end of the year, Goddard's
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  going through if he stays healthy, her game average be
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  right behind Davante and right behind A. J. Brown in
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  targets and receptions.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, by the way, you got Davonte Smith,
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  who maybe has one of the best, you know, the
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  number two receivers in the league. Got aj Brown, who
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  might be the best wide receiver in the league.
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  Speaker 3: That makes it difficult to kind of fit the tight end.
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  Speaker 1: But as you kind of indicate it, you know, come
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  playoff time, when everybody's on high or alert, that's when
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  Goddard could be at his best. So it's like you
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  almost have to wait all season long to kind of
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  reap the benefits of this talent that you have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and you hope for his sake that
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  he can stay healthy this year be more productive because
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  this is probably his last year as an Eagle. And
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  I think if you're an Eagle fan and you have
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  an appreciation for Dallas Goddard and the two Super Bowls
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  he's been to and the one that he's been able
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  to help deliver. Then you want to see the best
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  for him and so have him have a nice healthy
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  years and go on and wherever it is next year
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  after that, and you know, good for him, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, man, Well, you take a look at some of
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  the other things that are going on as this little
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  lull period before by lay inside one month of training camp.
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  Yesterday with Adam we talked about the Lions and are
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  they the biggest threat in the NFC? Do you put
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  the Lions or somebody else as the biggest threat to
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  the Eagles in the NFC?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I asked some major question marks about the
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  Lions because they have great talent, but obviously the two
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  coaches you really got the most out of that great
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  talent are not along with Dan Campbell are not there.
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  And those are the two coordinators, Ben Johnson and Aaron Glen.
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  So we've seen that with the Eagles, you know, a
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  lot of great talent until on twenty three they had
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  new coordinators and it didn't work out very well with
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  Sean Desigh and Brian Johnson, and they had to clean house.
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  So I think that those are I think from about
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  fifty three man roster standpoint, Yes they are the biggest
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  chuff Eagles. But is there another team that might have
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  more together? I'm you know, I just tap one last
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  sort of arguments back and forth. I like the Ramps.
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  I think they've got the continuity, the great coaching staff,
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  the quarterback play, the defense that really came along last
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  year and is young. They're a little deficient in some areas,
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  like you look at the secondary and it's not great,
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  but they added DeVante Adams. I think that they're on
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  their best day can give any single team a run
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  for its money. So it wouldn't surprise me if we
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  talked about the Rams similarly as anyone else's big threat
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  to the Eagles in the NFC.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Jeff Boscher Football four here on the Sports
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  Bats Live ninety seven three ESPN.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Lions.
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  Speaker 1: I like your pick with the Rams too, And I'm wondering,
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  you know we were talking about because the Lions are
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  plus one forty in the North, they're the favorite over there.
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  But are the Bears this year's version of Washington? Do
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  you look at them as one of those type of
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  teams that they could be a challenger. A team that
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  went to the NFC Championship Game last year, the Commanders,
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  the County came out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they could be I think about the
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  last two kind of teams like that, Washington last year
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  and then Houston the year before, and they really played
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  in divisions where there wasn't as much balance I would
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  say as the NFC North. Obviously, you know, the Eagles
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  are very good and Washington had a contend with that,
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  but Dallas was not very good last year. The Giants
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  have been not good for quite a while, just like
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  Houston and the AFC South. You know, it's not like Jacksonville,
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  Tennessee and who am I missing in that that division
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  are perennially awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Minnesota, Green Bay, Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So yes, this great rookie quarterback season and win
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  a division that's not as ballast as I think as
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  the NSC Norse. So the Bears could be a lot better,
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  but you still got to get through a schedule that
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  includes the Packers, who I would put right there with
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  the Rams and maybe the Commanders. When you asked me
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  about teams that could threaten the Eagles. I think the Packers,
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  if they can get Jordan Love to play twenty percent
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  better than they did last year, I think they'll be
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  a very very good team. I think the Vikings, we
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  don't know about the Party, but every other aspect of
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  that team is pretty good. I think they're going to
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  be formidable regardless. And of course the Lions, right So
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  I think, no matter what, the Bears could be a
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  twenty five percent better than last year, fifty percent better.
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  And it doesn't mean they're gonna win thirteen twelve games
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  like the Commanders did last year.
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  Speaker 1: The Commanders last year yet went to the NFC Championship
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  game kind of a surprise to everybody. Could the Bears
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  be that surprise team? We'll see? And as we talked about,
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  and you know, we a lot of people look at
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  the NFC East, and we talked about Washington earlier in
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  the week in the NFC East, this whole who's repeated
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  in the NFC. No one's done it since the Eagles
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  all the way back. So they've got a lot that
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  they had to kind of buy into. And we talked
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  about could they you know, dominate the division there. They've
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  got to dominate a lot of really good teams this year.
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  That's the thing you talked about, the Rams, the Lions,
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  just the teams in the NFC. It's going to be
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  very important to win those NFC games this year. If
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  you want to be that a year ago.
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  Speaker 2: It is, and there'll be some surprises. You know, we've
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  been doing on inside. The Birds are annual NFC East
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  previous year. He's with Greg coast Tell where he really
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  goes into the tape and breaks down schemes, newcomerce free
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  agent signings for each of the four teams. We did
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  Dallas and there's no question that the Cowboys have a
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  lot of talents. There's no question that when Dak Prescott
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  is healthy, they win on average, I think eleventh to
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  twelve games a year, which is not easy to do
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  in the NFL. At their playoff history aside, because we're
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  not talking about that right now, we're just talking about it.
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  He's going to be a formidable full right for the
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  seventeen weeks of the regular season, and if they're healthy
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  and their players are playing well, the ones that are
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  really good, they've got a lot of good players, so
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  they should be formidable.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we know that this time of the
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  Year is the list version of the season. Nick Sirianni
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  on the list. He came in as the number eight
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  head coach in football. And I'm wondering, like, is that
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  a fair number for Nick Sirianni. Do we not give
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  Sirianni the credit he deserves? We talked about this back
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  when he signed his contract.
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  Speaker 3: But is eight fair?
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  Speaker 1: I looked at the seven guys ahead of him, And
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  if you said, hey, you can replace Nick Sirianni with
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  any of these seven guys, do you automatically do it?
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  Speaker 3: Wow?
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  Speaker 2: Eight? So seven guys? I mean I don't, Yes, but
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  I gotta think that you know McVeigh is on that list.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you haven't seen this list.
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  Speaker 2: I have not seen the list.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: This is a.
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  Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus ranking of the top returning head coaches
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  in football. Nick Sirianni is on the list of the
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  top ten. He is number eight.
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  Speaker 2: Andy Reid is one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure Andy Reid is one. McVay two, McVeigh three.
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  Speaker 2: Who the heck am I missing?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan.
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan seven.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, fellowchick's not coaching anymore, right. I just got
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  to make sure that in my head that I'm not
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  missing some five or six times champion here.
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  Speaker 3: No Belichick on this list?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, who's so? Who's two?
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  Speaker 3: Number two? Number two is Sean Payton?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay?
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  Speaker 3: One, Andy Reid? Two? Where's Sean Payton? Three?
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  Speaker 2: Sean McVay, All right, where's see Carrol. I'm sure he's
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  on the list.
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  Speaker 3: Now, he's not in the top ten, so he did
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  not make this list. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta say, I'm a little disappointed with this list
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  because I'm sure Kevin O'Connell is probably honest because he's
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  a darling. And even though.
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  Speaker 1: He's Kevin O'Connell, he did not make the list, by
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  the way. So number four is John Harball.
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  Speaker 2: Forgot about that, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Number five is Mike Tomlin.
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  Speaker 2: Sare man, I'm seeing, I'm bad. This is suwhere he
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  is getting to me?
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  Speaker 1: Number six is Jim Harball, and number seven was Kyle Shanahan.
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  Speaker 3: Number eight was Nick Sirianni.
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  Speaker 1: So of the group of Andy Reid, Sean Peyton, Sean McVay,
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  John Harball, Mike Tomlin, Jim Harball, Kyle Shanahan. Are you
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  automatically saying if they're available? Sorry, Nick, You're out?
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  Speaker 2: Listen. I think you can make some good arguments for them.
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  I know a lot of people don't want to hear that,
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  but I mean I laughed at Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh, but
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  he did make it to a super Bowl. Now he lost,
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  Nike Sirianni won, But I don't. I'm never the type
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  that says just because this guy won one and this
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  guy lost one, that automatically means guy who won one
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  is better, right, because that's that's fore day. We can
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  go through quarterbacks like Joe Flacko is better than than
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  Dan Marino. I don't think so. So I get that.
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  I just don't know what to me. It's playfaller bias
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  or it's side of the ball bias. You know, Mike
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  Tomlin defensive mastermind, Kyle Shanahan offensive plakeballer mastermind, and Nick
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  is constant he will always be. And then you just
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  said Carrol's out on that list either. This guy's been
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  to two Super Bowls and one one, just like make
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  Siriani right. So it's that constant. If you don't specialize
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  on a certain side of the football, you just don't
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  get the same respect as those who do. I mean,
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  that's the only way to read it, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you're not the play caller, you don't
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  get the scene. Like being the play caller is the
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  equivalent of like being that's like your way of being
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  a star at the coaching rank, right If you're not
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  a play caller, you're vanilla.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, John Harbaugh is only higher on that list
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  than Nick Kiani is despite being the same kind of coach,
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  because this man has been to two Super Bowls, one
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  to one and is literally in the playoffs every year
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  with different quarterbacks. Now, I mean he's he's had to
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  like accomplish some of the most difficult things in sports,
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  compared to say Kyle Shanahan, who's just been an offensive
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  play faller on and not really good teams. Right, and
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  he's on the list with no Super Bowl wins. But
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  look at what John Harbaugh had to do his resume
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  just to get on that list as a guy who
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  doesn't specialize on one side of the ball. And that's
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  for the unfairness, is all right.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Bocher Football at four powered by the Inside of
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  the Birds podcast here on the Sports Past Live. Check
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  out his coverage of the Eagles and Philly sports over
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  at Philly Voice dot com. He's got plenty of more
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  of this. We got a good Phillies article up there
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  as well. Check out all of that stuff at Phillyvoice
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  dot com and of course football at four here on
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  the Sports Batch.
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  Speaker 3: All right, most we'll talk to you Mike real quick,
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  real quick.
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  Speaker 2: You want to have fun in my Silly Voice story today.
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  I did twenty years of Eagles drafting safeties going back
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  to two thousand and five, and how every single one
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  of them was basically a miss. None of them. I
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  mean there were some there, okay, Nate Allen was okay.
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  None of them signed a long term second contract with
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  the Eagles. Is that not amazing? Twenty years?
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  Speaker 3: That's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: Fifteen safeties, I believe was the number and now one
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  of them was able to see a long term second
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  contract with the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Nate Allen was gonna be the one we
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  all did.
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  Speaker 2: We all did. Then he had the torp to teller
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  and he's he's one of the few on that list
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  that actually re signed. But it was a one year
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  deal and then it was just kind of an okay
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  year and then he went off to the Raiders and
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  got hurt again. But man far more, far better in
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  free agency with their safeties and draft. So you hope
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  that Andrew mccubaugh, who he's battling some ghosts here, well.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully they can you know, defeat that ghost at safety
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  end the back to back NFC easting that number twenty
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  years in counting no back to back NFC East champions.
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  Jeff Bocher, All right, buddy, we'll talk to you next week.
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  Speaker 2: All right. By the way, I'm team Edgecomb if you care.
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  Speaker 1: I do care Team Edgecomb. Yeah, I'm out on Ash Bailey.
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  I'd be on the Edgecomb camp as well. I'm actually
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  trade back. I'm on team trade Back.
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  Speaker 2: They hear that. But I want Edgecomb. I love the attitude,
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  the hustle, the versatility, the athleticism. I just feel like
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  he's got an opportunity to develop better some of the
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  other guys because the floor is, I mean, the ceiling
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  will be really high for him.
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  Speaker 3: I can get on that.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, listen, if they make a picket three, Edgecombe would
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  be my guy.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, all right, man, take care?
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  Speaker 1: All right, brother, We'll talk to you on Monday with
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  a motion Monday mailbag here on the Sports Bats Live
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