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- 0:00Over the last few weeks, the New York Times, Fortune, TechCrunch,
- 0:03and many more have all covered the same new trend.
- 0:08It's called token maxing, a new trend that's spreading literally
- 0:11everywhere. Yet this month a consultancy
- 0:15called Jellyfish just released a study of 12,000 developers
- 0:19across 200 companies. The engineers at the bottom of
- 0:22this graph that they created ship code changes for about 28 P
- 0:27each. The engineers at the top of that
- 0:29graph ship them for $89.00 each. The heavy users produce twice as
- 0:34much output as 319 times the cost.
- 0:38This is what token maxing is. Today I'm going to discuss many
- 0:42of the silly stories behind this new trend with engineers gaming
- 0:46leaderboards to encourage them to spend lots of money in tokens
- 0:50to explain what's really happening, what token maxing is
- 0:54and why the same dynamic is coming to every industry and
- 0:57job, not just software. And importantly, why it's such a
- 1:00big problem that you must catch at work and what you should be
- 1:03doing instead. This is a loop of Jack Horton.
- 1:07I hope you enjoy the show. So let's start at the top and
- 1:27discuss what the new trends of token maxing actually is and and
- 1:30to be honest, why it's a bit of a big problem.
- 1:32So for context, in in this month, say April 2026, the CTO
- 1:37of Uber just got on stage at a big industry event and admitted
- 1:41that his entire 2026 AI budget was completely spent.
- 1:45Now four months earlier, he'd rolled out Claude code to about
- 1:485000 engineers and and by March, 95% of them were using AI every
- 1:53single day, with 70% of the code they were submitting being AI
- 1:57written. But only 11% of that was
- 2:00actually running in Uber systems.
- 2:03So 95% of them were using AI. 70% of code that was being
- 2:07submitted were created by AI, but only 11% made it to
- 2:11production. These are very important numbers
- 2:13and they tell a really good story about what's happening
- 2:16right now. And this is going to be
- 2:19something that will be mirrored across many different jobs and
- 2:22industries. As I've said a few times,
- 2:25programming is just ahead of the game and knowledge workers
- 2:29generally are going to be going through many of the same
- 2:33challenges, ideas, new ways of working that developers have
- 2:36gone through over the last 18 months.
- 2:38So for context, a token is roughly 3/4 of a word.
- 2:42So when an LLM gives you 3/4 of a word, you span the token.
- 2:45And to give you a sense of scale, the entire text of War
- 2:50and Peace, the book is about 1,000,000 tokens.
- 2:53And very funnily, there's there's VCs and people blogging
- 2:56online and releasing articles all the way through 2026 about
- 3:00burning about 250 million tokens in a single day by running a
- 3:05swarm of agents all operating in parallel.
- 3:08So 250 million tokens by the way, is is about roughly 250
- 3:13copies of War and Peace consumed in a single day by a single
- 3:16person. I think Jensen Huang of NVIDIA
- 3:21said on the All In podcast recently that if a half
- 3:24$1,000,000 engineer, so they pay him half $1,000,000 a year, did
- 3:28not, and I quote, consume at least $250,000 worth of tokens a
- 3:32year. He said he's going to be deeply
- 3:35alarmed. And by March, the New York Times
- 3:37had called this a basically a new status game all over Silicon
- 3:41Valley. And the measure is quite simple.
- 3:43Right now, it's just consume, consume more tokens, spend more
- 3:46and prove that you're doing lots of stuff.
- 3:49Now over the last few weeks, this story has taken an
- 3:51interesting term because engineers at Meta and Microsoft
- 3:54and Sales Force and a bunch of other big companies have been
- 3:57found to be deliberately burning tokens.
- 4:00So running lots of agents trying to have massive contacts.
- 4:04Windows, which costs lots of money, going over and over on on
- 4:08prompts, just looping prompts because they worked out that
- 4:11their managers were using AI consumption as some form of
- 4:14performance metric. And of course they gained it.
- 4:18And those engineers that were at the top percentage in terms of
- 4:21usage and token spend were producing about twice the
- 4:24output, but at 10 times the cost.
- 4:27And Meta's internal tool called Chordonomics is essentially
- 4:31something that went public recently.
- 4:33So they built this leaderboard ranking system and it ranked
- 4:37people by the number of tokens they'd consumed.
- 4:40So about 60 trillion tokens were used or spent in a 30 day
- 4:44window. To put that 60 trillion tokens
- 4:47into context, if every employee at Meta read a full novel every
- 4:52single day for 30 years, they would collectively consume about
- 4:560.1% of that total number. And Meta by the way, has 78,000
- 5:01employees. And that leaderboard handed out
- 5:03badges like Token Legend, Cachet, Wizard, session
- 5:06Immortal. And Meta CTO was, you know,
- 5:10shouting on the rooftops, basically saying that, you know,
- 5:12they're, they're top ranked engineers on these leader boards
- 5:15have become 5X to 10X more productive, saying that this is
- 5:18easy, this is like, you know, printing money basically.
- 5:22And when it went public, of course, they then pulled the
- 5:24leaderboard because it's quite embarrassing.
- 5:26And I'll go into why now this is very developer focused, but
- 5:29we're going to see the same in every single function in some
- 5:31form. People would so desperately want
- 5:34their teams to be using AI that they'll just want them to
- 5:37consume tokens. You know, if token consumption
- 5:40is going up, surely outputs going up.
- 5:42Now the question for me, and I think you can probably tell my
- 5:45opinion here, is this actually making people more productive?
- 6:08So if we discuss that point, you know why I think tokens don't
- 6:11mean more output. So Jellyfish that that
- 6:14consultancy that released that study that I mentioned at the
- 6:17start of this discussion. So they measured pull requests
- 6:20shipped per quarter across 12,000 developers over 200 big
- 6:24companies. Now a pull request for for
- 6:26anyone outside of engineering is a standard unit of developer
- 6:30work, a chunk of code that's been submitted for review, it's
- 6:33been approved and then added to the product.
- 6:35So shipping poor request has often been, other than merge
- 6:38requests, I guess the closest thing to let's say maybe a
- 6:42universal output. Now the engineers that we use in
- 6:45the least AI burned around $3 of tokens over 1/4, so over three
- 6:51months and shipped 11 poor requests each.
- 6:53Now the engineers that we're using the most burn $1820.00 of
- 6:58tokens 1/4 and ship 2313 more PRS pull requests.
- 7:02So that's twice the output but about 600 times the cost.
- 7:06And the word output I guess is a is a loaded word because a lot
- 7:10of what the heavy users produce doesn't necessarily ship
- 7:13everywhere. Remember Uber's numbers, 70% of
- 7:16that committed code was written by AI, but only 11% of that
- 7:20actually was running in production.
- 7:23Now, it's quite easy to diagnose.
- 7:24You know, just because you're producing lots doesn't mean it's
- 7:26good. This is a new area.
- 7:29It's an area that everybody's trying to innovate from a
- 7:31process perspective, a systems perspective, trainings and skill
- 7:35perspective. But also there's just natural
- 7:37bottlenecks in a process. If you think about the theorem
- 7:40of constraints, process will always move as fast as the
- 7:44slowest moving part. And right now there's certain
- 7:47areas that are just bottlenecks. You know, review is a
- 7:49bottleneck. A senior engineer might be able
- 7:52to review, say, 2 to 400 lines of code in a day, let's say,
- 7:56yeah, AI can generate that in 90 seconds.
- 7:59Now, people are doing automations on top of this and
- 8:01automated testing. But still, that doesn't mean
- 8:04that all of this is quality enough to pass QA.
- 8:08So that is quality assurance and testing to actually get inside
- 8:11the product. And again, just because you're
- 8:13burning lots of tokens, are you doing it effectively?
- 8:16Are you being efficient with your token spend, you know,
- 8:20putting 1000 words PDF into a context window and then asking
- 8:24to do, you know, lots of questions on that is going to
- 8:25use loads of tokens? Are you actually achieving
- 8:29anything there? Now none of this is new as a
- 8:31problem. There's a principle called good
- 8:33hearts law. So this is when a measure
- 8:35becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.
- 8:39Now a good example is a paper by someone called Khrushchev, and
- 8:43it's about a Soviet candle factory.
- 8:46And the way they evaluated progress was by weight.
- 8:49Now, if the chandeliers grew heavier and heavier, so all the
- 8:51workers were producing heavier and heavier chandeliers until
- 8:56they started pulling ceilings down, they fulfilled the plan.
- 8:59Now the question is, is does anyone really need that plan?
- 9:02Do they actually solve any problem?
- 9:03No, it doesn't. You're just creating heavy
- 9:05chandeliers and measuring value based on that.
- 9:08Bill Gates once said the same thing.
- 9:10It's like measuring programmers by amount of code written is
- 9:13like measuring the progress of us building a, let's say a plane
- 9:17by weight has literally no value.
- 9:20Wells Fargo famously measured stuff by cross sells to selling
- 9:24more products to the same customers and ended up with
- 9:26about 3 1/2 million fake customers.
- 9:29All of this started as a reasonable proxy and KPI to try
- 9:32and get people to do the right things that the organization
- 9:35wanted, but obviously stopped working the moment everybody
- 9:39realised that that's how they were being assessed.
- 9:41And it doesn't actually deliver any value.
- 9:43If that measure does not deliver value and everyone gains that
- 9:45system, you're getting more of a bad thing.
- 9:48And token maxing is just the newest member of that family.
- 9:51It's the new trend. Now there are some people that
- 9:53push back on this. You know, you could argue that
- 9:55if your engineers spend 1000 a month on say LLMS and ship 10%
- 9:59more, that's arguably cheap. It's not too expensive, you
- 10:03know, Shopify's VP of engineering has been making the
- 10:06argument very publicly. Shopify CEO makes a very similar
- 10:10point that only through massive usage of AI will you get the
- 10:13right skills to eventually become productive.
- 10:16And and the reality is both are right.
- 10:19If the output is real, then token usage is also great
- 10:23because you're getting good output and clearly lots of it.
- 10:27But the jellyfish numbers that study that Jellyfish released
- 10:30and the example by Uber suggests that often this just still isn't
- 10:34the case. And I'll come on to some of the
- 10:36reasons I think this is the case, by the way.
- 10:39And one of them, which is one of the reasons I got so interested
- 10:41in this episode, is what mindset is actually solving for
- 10:44internally and as a result has been solving for for other
- 10:46customers and partners. But let's talk about, I guess,
- 10:49the reason that things are getting so expensive and things
- 10:52aren't necessarily improving in terms of productive output.
- 10:55And as a result, what I think people should be focusing on
- 10:58instead. So as I said, I, I think the
- 11:01case for heavy consumption is partly right.
- 11:03It's going to help people gain skills.
- 11:04It's going to force people to actually adopt this technology
- 11:08and get over themselves. But this still doesn't explain
- 11:11why things are so expensive and things still aren't very good in
- 11:13terms of quality output. And I think there's about 3 or 4
- 11:18reasons. And, and the first reason I
- 11:19think is, is pricing. So that previous example of
- 11:22measuring people by a proxy, like lines of code written or
- 11:25the weight of a chandelier, well, when those came about,
- 11:29that didn't cost as much. So when a programmer in say 1982
- 11:32row, let's say 500 lines of code, those lines sat on a disk
- 11:37for nothing, didn't cost people money.
- 11:39Whereas AI coding tools aren't sold by the seat, they're sold
- 11:41by the token. So Anthropic, for example, move
- 11:45their big enterprise contracts towards the late end of 2025
- 11:49from a flat roughly $200 per user model with tokens included
- 11:53to a more metered compute model. So you get $20.00 for a base
- 11:57seat and then you get usage charge.
- 11:59So when legacy contracts all over the world have started
- 12:02expiring around, you know, March, April, May 2026, and all
- 12:06these companies have really been drinking from the kool-aid of
- 12:09token maxing, many customers bills will be tripling overnight
- 12:13for Anthropic. Let's say a typical big company
- 12:16runs maybe 150 to $250 a month per person, and then heavy users
- 12:22run 5 to 10 times that. You can see how the numbers
- 12:25start to get really expensive when you've got 78000
- 12:27developers. And then when you have some
- 12:30agents that are just running continuously, doing huge tasks
- 12:33and using that entire token limit in just a matter of days.
- 12:36Well, imagine if you have 7000 people with those agents.
- 12:40Again, if you remember the episode I discussed recently,
- 12:42the Open Core episode and why it's such an important software
- 12:46invention and why Jensen Fuang is in love with it, is because
- 12:50these things are going to consume so many tokens, which
- 12:53Dr. LLMS business models which ultimately benefits NVIDIA
- 12:58anyway. I think the second reason is
- 13:00culture. Right now we've got this weird
- 13:03culture like Matter and many of the big companies where you've
- 13:06got this leaderboard of consuming tokens, you're Jensen
- 13:10Wang and wanting to people to spend, you know, quarter of
- 13:13$1,000,000 in tokens per year. So really this token consumption
- 13:17has become quite performative in a way that you know, let's say a
- 13:22company selling $20.00 per month per seat per user just didn't
- 13:26see and didn't experience in the same way.
- 13:28And when that metric is really publicly visible and the boss
- 13:31says no limit and you get rewarded a pat on your head,
- 13:35obviously people will start to play it and gain it.
- 13:37I think the third reason here is a hidden quality cost.
- 13:41You know, 43% of AI generated code requires lots of manual
- 13:46debugging after it's gone through QA.
- 13:48So testing, and there's been some studies to say that some
- 13:51developers are spending about 38 to 40% of their week on
- 13:55debugging and verifying whether what the agent has actually
- 13:59built is the thing they meant to build.
- 14:02So that heavy token usage by an agent.
- 14:04So generating lots of words, although it seems really
- 14:07attractive, it's only real if a human clears it up or you have
- 14:11some form of really trustworthy testing software and suite that
- 14:15automates that. And these things aren't always
- 14:18easy to automate reliably. It's not easy.
- 14:21And that clean up time isn't showing up on the token
- 14:23dashboards. It shows up when you try to
- 14:25deploy. And this is going to be the same
- 14:27across all spaces and industries for those in every single, let's
- 14:31say a law firm or a marketing team, a sales team, wherever you
- 14:34are. The role of managers is also
- 14:36quality assurance and quality checking.
- 14:38You need to make sure what we're producing as an organization is
- 14:40up to scratch. And again, maybe you can get AI
- 14:44and go, yeah, AI, go and check this, but maybe you also need
- 14:47people. So you have explosions of output
- 14:50from some people and then lots of people having to verify that.
- 15:09I think this comes to the other problem, which is contacts and
- 15:12orientation of agents and then being able to reliably produce
- 15:15things that you want it to produce.
- 15:18Now some people are solving this with skills, with MD files to
- 15:22give agents context and rules and processes.
- 15:25And I've done episodes on that recently that have been really,
- 15:27really popular. But I think still that it's just
- 15:29a trend of the day. It will go away over the next 18
- 15:31months because ultimately this system still relies on people
- 15:35updating those documents, updating those skills, still
- 15:39keeping them so fresh that they don't go stale.
- 15:42And an agent reliably using that at scale across large
- 15:45organisations, which although it's infinitely better where we
- 15:47are now than 18 months ago, I still don't think it's perfect.
- 15:50I think we're a way off from what will come as the next
- 15:53evolution. And mindset is seeing this
- 15:55because we're quite far ahead of most people from a process
- 15:57perspective internally. And we've already really faced
- 16:01that problem. We actually built our own tool
- 16:02to solve that as an internal tool, which the team are
- 16:05absolutely living. And I'll give you a good
- 16:07example. So when you ask an agent, say,
- 16:09to make a change in a code base, it might not have all the
- 16:12context of your code base itself because it can't just, you know,
- 16:15scan all of your code base because the context window blows
- 16:18up. So a lot of people create
- 16:21markdown files, so essentially documents which specify specific
- 16:25ways things work, how my APIs work, how this works, how that
- 16:29works. They also have processes they
- 16:31enshrined. So how to deploy, how to push
- 16:34tickets to Jira or Gitlabs, your product project management
- 16:36tools. You then get people to pass
- 16:39information. So a product team would go and
- 16:40write up what you're trying to build in the spec, you pass it
- 16:43to engineers and that might go into an MD file.
- 16:46And then MD file gets given to agents and people create like
- 16:50we've been doing quite complex setups, like really powerful
- 16:53setups, clever setups of skills and MD files that essentially
- 16:58enable an agent to operate and do good coding.
- 17:01And this is the same that's happening now with called Co
- 17:03work and all organisations as I've covered in other episodes.
- 17:07So you create this fantastic system.
- 17:09However, that doesn't mean the agent actually producing great
- 17:13work. A lot of the time it produces
- 17:14random work. That doesn't mean that all of
- 17:17your engineers are able to suddenly use these things really
- 17:20well. It doesn't mean that you can
- 17:22easily track all of the key important decisions that are
- 17:25made. Because in a project management
- 17:27tool, you have tickets or you have tasks, but an agent doesn't
- 17:30think in that way, doesn't think in a small, like tiny task, add
- 17:34a headline, write subcopy, review.
- 17:37It thinks in larger chunks of work, but those larger chunks of
- 17:41work, therefore, when they're executed, have to rely on the
- 17:46agent accessing that MD file structure, the skills that
- 17:49you've created to actually do the work.
- 17:52And then you have to test whether that's been done.
- 17:55Because if it writes 10,000 words of or lines of code, so
- 17:57let's say doesn't mean that all of that is actually what was
- 18:01intended to be built. You often find things that
- 18:03accidentally are snook in, you know, why did you do that?
- 18:06Oh, I thought this was a good idea.
- 18:08And again, I'm going to keep coming to this.
- 18:09This is the same thing that's going to be happening at scale
- 18:12with knowledge workers. And you know, three or four
- 18:15months in or five months in from having on D files and skills,
- 18:19you will start to find that suddenly some of these go stale.
- 18:23People stop updating them. They don't use them properly
- 18:25because naturally people just drift, especially when it's
- 18:28nebulous. You know, it's, it's documents
- 18:31like these things of skills that I, you know, I, I've been
- 18:33promoting them and they're really great.
- 18:35But they are just a document specifying how to do something.
- 18:39And that information must be continually updated 24/7 for
- 18:42every decision. And the more decisions,
- 18:44strategies, projects you do, the more skills and MD files you
- 18:48need. And it just becomes very bloated
- 18:50and chaotic. Trust me, very quickly.
- 18:53So this problem around token consumption relies on everyone
- 18:56updating. This essentially document sets
- 18:59that live somewhere. But then you need to track who's
- 19:01allowed to update that document. Has this person used that skill?
- 19:05Can I track if they've used that skill?
- 19:07Wait, someone over here updated that document which changed our
- 19:09process? OK, so we need a review process
- 19:12to allow only some people to update an asset like an MD file
- 19:16or a skill, but not others. But then again, things go stale.
- 19:20Work isn't actually a high quality anymore.
- 19:23So this is kind of what happens in a big system when you start
- 19:25to really scale it and scale AI first processes.
- 19:29So yeah, this is it's it's a real problem.
- 19:30So you get drift from agents delivering the wrong things, you
- 19:33get documents that go outdated, people not keeping everything up
- 19:36to date, and essentially the entire system starts to slowly
- 19:40decay and performance goes down, yet token consumption goes way
- 19:44up. That's honestly one of the
- 19:46reasons we've actually solved this and been solving this
- 19:47internally for ourselves. We call it Memex.
- 19:50It's essentially a system whereby you specify strategies
- 19:53at the top and instead of using project management tasks, the
- 19:57document which has access to your code base, which is
- 19:59indexed, has access to specific files and other function and all
- 20:03the skills turns that into tasks which are managed in a different
- 20:07way. So for anyone that's really
- 20:09interested in that, do reach out because we're actually having
- 20:11lots of conversations about this internally to share how to use
- 20:14something like this and how to implement better AI first
- 20:18processes at the moment. Now I think that's a good
- 20:37opportunity to now go and what I think people should be measuring
- 20:40instead, how they should go about this.
- 20:42Companies that are thinking about this really, really
- 20:46effectively over them from a process perspective and how
- 20:48we're solving that with internal tools like I described.
- 20:52I think also the way you measure output is important.
- 20:55So for example Salesforce have been trying to measure something
- 20:58called agentic work units. So AW use as a complete counter
- 21:03to token maxing instead of counting tokens consumed.
- 21:06An AWU is essentially a completed unit of business
- 21:10relevant work. So let's say Singapore Airlines
- 21:14use AW use to track customer resolution time, another company
- 21:18use them to track the quality of product recommendations.
- 21:21And about 2.4 billion AWUS were generated across the system and
- 21:25ecosystem in Q42025 alone. Now if you're running a team,
- 21:30the job is therefore to define what your AWU is.
- 21:33The unit has to represent a complete piece of work you'd
- 21:36otherwise have to pay the human to do, and it has to track
- 21:40whether that work actually stuck.
- 21:41So for engineering, it's not necessarily pull request
- 21:44generated or pull requests merged into a Co base.
- 21:47It's pull requests that made it into production and stayed
- 21:50there, or bugs per shipped PR. So per shipped piece of work,
- 21:55how many bugs were generated? How many incidents were traced
- 21:59back to AI assisted code? Or track the humour review hours
- 22:02your team is burning on AI code for sales.
- 22:05It could be qualified opportunities that progressed a
- 22:08sales stage that was AI assisted versus not illegal.
- 22:13Maybe it's contract sign, not drafts produced of content
- 22:17actually published that drove traffic for marketing, not the
- 22:20content generated. Again.
- 22:22I keep coming back to that chandelier factory example.
- 22:25What a stupid stupid. Proxy and token matching I
- 22:29believe is the exact same and it will end.
- 22:31And it is a big mistake to get obsessed with that.
- 22:34It's maybe a good starting place to get your team using it, but
- 22:37it's not going to produce value. So yeah, those organisations
- 22:41that, yes, try and get people to adopt these tools but care about
- 22:44how you organise contextual information that goes beyond
- 22:47just MD files and skills that don't try and get people to gain
- 22:50the system to spend tokens and think about what they're really
- 22:53trying to measure, are going to succeed here and produce actual
- 22:57value, not just trash. Anyway, that's it for this week.
- 23:02Thank you for listening and I'll see you next time.