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Legally Brunette Presents: ‘Til Death Do Us Part  - One Wife Missing, One Wife Dead · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi guys, welcome to an episode of Till Death Do
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  Speaker 1: Us Part. I'll be your host today, Emily Simpson with... Shane.
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  Speaker 1: All right, today we are talking about Drew Peterson. Have
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  Speaker 1: you heard of Drew Peterson?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You have. You heard the name?
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  Speaker 2: We were watching some show on it the other day
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  Speaker 2: and you talked about it.
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  Speaker 1: But besides that, did you hear of Drew Peterson prior
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  Speaker 1: to that? No. His trial, I believe it was 2012,
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  Speaker 1: was a.
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  Speaker 1: A big media storm. A lot of people talking about
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people covering it. It was a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So Drew Peterson was a decorated cop in
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  Speaker 1: a quiet Chicago suburb, a man who wore the badge
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  Speaker 1: for nearly 30 years.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. I'm familiar.
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  Speaker 1: But behind closed doors, the women in his life told
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  Speaker 1: a very different story. One wife said he threatened to
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  Speaker 1: kill her and make it look like an accident. Another
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  Speaker 1: begged for protection, warning anyone who would listen that if
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  Speaker 1: something happened to her, they would know who to blame.
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  Speaker 1: Then she was found dead in a dry bathtub. And
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  Speaker 1: three years later, his fourth wife, the young woman who
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  Speaker 1: had given him an alibi, vanished without a trace. What
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  Speaker 1: follows is a story of buried secrets, a body brought
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  Speaker 1: back from the grave, and a law rewritten to let
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  Speaker 1: the silence speak. Two women, one man, and a question
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  Speaker 1: that still hasn't been fully answered. All right. Drew Peterson,
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  Speaker 1: to me, is the worst of the worst men. Disgusting
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  Speaker 1: man that is attracted probably to being in the police
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  Speaker 1: force because it gives him some sense of authority over people.
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  Speaker 1: And then he abuses it and he abuses it his
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  Speaker 1: entire life. And that's who he is. And he gets
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  Speaker 1: away with it for a long, long time.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a license to kill.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go through some background on Drew Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: So Drew Peterson is born in 1954 and grows up
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  Speaker 1: in Bullingbrook, Illinois, which is a suburb of Chicago. In 1974,
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  Speaker 1: after high school and a stint in the army, Peterson
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  Speaker 1: marries his high school girlfriend, Carol Brown. They have two sons,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen and Eric, and the marriage ends about six years
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  Speaker 1: later over his infidelity, which is a reoccurring theme in
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  Speaker 1: every one of his marriages. He ends up being married
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  Speaker 1: four times.
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  Speaker 2: And he's unfaithful in each of them, as far as
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  Speaker 2: we know? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And the last two wives are no longer with us.
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  Speaker 1: All right. In 1977, Peterson joins the Bullingbrook Police Department,
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  Speaker 1: beginning a career that will span nearly three decades, and
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  Speaker 1: at one point is even named Officer of the Year. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: In 1982, Peterson marries his second wife, Vicki Connelly, who
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  Speaker 1: has a daughter from a previous marriage. So at this point,
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  Speaker 1: he now has two sons.
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  Speaker 2: And what was the reason for the first marriage ending? Infidelity?
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  Speaker 1: Infidelity.
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  Speaker 2: Simple. And then they separate. He doesn't kill her or
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  Speaker 2: anything like that. She's still alive.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's still alive. So he now has the two
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  Speaker 1: sons and a stepdaughter. During this period of time, Peterson
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  Speaker 1: is investigated by his own department over bribery and misconduct allegations.
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  Speaker 1: He's briefly relieved of duty and then is rehired back. See,
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  Speaker 1: when they were talking about this in the documentary I watched,
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  Speaker 1: I just, I don't understand why someone who is found
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  Speaker 1: to be dishonest.
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  Speaker 2: It could be rehired.
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  Speaker 1: Is rehired.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so he was found in the wrong.
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  Speaker 1: In the wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Like taking bribes.
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  Speaker 1: And then they end up rehiring and he's let go.
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  Speaker 1: And then they end up rehiring him back at some point.
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  Speaker 2: Especially something like that. We're not talking like poor work performance. No.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about like almost like criminal behavior.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about like your integrity is shot.
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  Speaker 2: Right. In a place that's needed.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. All right. So Vicki, this is his second wife.
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  Speaker 1: Vicki would later testify that over the next decade, Peterson
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  Speaker 1: threatened her with a gun, grabbed her by the throat
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  Speaker 1: and told her he would kill her and make it
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  Speaker 1: look like an accident. All right. So this is the
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  Speaker 1: second wife.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Have I ever told you such a thing? Um, no.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to kill you and make you like, can you,
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  Speaker 2: if I said that. Yeah. Like if we're arguing and
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  Speaker 2: we're at each other's throats and I said something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I know you can't even picture it because it's
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  Speaker 2: like so farfetched, but how scary would that be?
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  Speaker 1: Well, especially when your husband is someone who has a
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  Speaker 1: badge and the authority and then you, and he probably
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  Speaker 1: convinces you that he could. Because he has the means
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  Speaker 1: and the.
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  Speaker 2: I can get away with it.
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  Speaker 1: He could get away with it. And, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: police department.
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  Speaker 2: You're a nobody. I'm a police officer. I'm officer of
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  Speaker 2: the year.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: In case you hadn't heard.
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  Speaker 1: Right. All right. Then in 1992, so this is 10
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  Speaker 1: years later, Vicki divorces Peterson after learning that he's been
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  Speaker 1: seeing a local accountant named Kathleen Savio. Just months later,
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  Speaker 1: Peterson marries Kathleen, making her his third wife.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So now he's divorced from Vicki. He's married to Kathleen.
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  Speaker 1: They go on to have two sons, Christopher and Thomas.
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  Speaker 1: So now he has four boys. He has the two
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  Speaker 1: boys from the first marriage. Now he has two boys.
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  Speaker 2: He's a family man.
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  Speaker 1: From his third marriage.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Police are called to their home for domestic disturbances
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  Speaker 1: many times over the years. That's another issue too. You're
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  Speaker 1: a police officer. Not only have you been let go
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  Speaker 1: because you've been taking bribes, but then you're reinstated. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Which makes you even cockier because you're like, yeah, you can't.
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  Speaker 1: Get rid of me. And you've already been through two
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  Speaker 1: divorces because of infidelity. So you have your integrity shot.
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  Speaker 2: Zero accountability. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then now you're on to your third wife and
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  Speaker 1: you have all these calls over the course of this
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  Speaker 1: marriage for domestic abuse and violence issues. And you're still
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  Speaker 1: part of the police force. Like there's no one's, there's
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  Speaker 1: no checks and balances saying maybe we should look into
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  Speaker 1: this guy at all.
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  Speaker 2: At least take away his officer of the year plaque.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He doesn't deserve that.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Then in 2001, Kathleen discovers that Peterson is
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  Speaker 1: having an affair with Stacy Callis, who is a 17
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  Speaker 1: year old hotel clerk. He is 30 years older than
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  Speaker 1: her at this point. I believe he's like around. She's
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  Speaker 1: under age. She's 17. He's married to Kathleen. But now
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  Speaker 1: he's having an affair with this young girl named Stacy.
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  Speaker 1: And he, I believe, is 30 years her senior. So
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  Speaker 1: she's 17, which means he's around 47, something like that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, November 14th of 2002. So now Kathleen wants
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  Speaker 1: to divorce him. First of all, Kathleen knew he was
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  Speaker 1: a scumbag because she was having an affair.
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  Speaker 2: Was she cheating on him? She was the.
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  Speaker 1: Mistress at one point when he was married to wife
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  Speaker 1: number two. Then she's wife number three. And now she's
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  Speaker 1: getting cheated on as wife number three, and he's working
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  Speaker 1: on wife number four.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So Kathleen discovers the affair.
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing a pattern here.
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  Speaker 1: You see a pattern? Yeah. All right. So now we're
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  Speaker 1: into November of 2002, and they're going through a bitter divorce.
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  Speaker 1: So now he's on his third divorce. Kathleen writes to
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  Speaker 1: a Will County prosecutor accusing Peterson of abuse and saying
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  Speaker 1: that she fears for her life. This is during their divorce.
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  Speaker 1: Around this time, she also seeks an order of protection,
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  Speaker 1: writing that she believes that he wants her dead. She
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  Speaker 1: reportedly also tells the Bolingbroke police chief that if anything
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  Speaker 1: happens to her, it will be because Drew killed her.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So she's putting as many feelers out there
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  Speaker 1: as she can to anyone that'll listen, that basically if
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  Speaker 1: anything happens to her, it's her ex-husband.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Then in 2003, this is October 10th of 2003,
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  Speaker 1: Kathleen and Peterson's divorce is granted and They actually bifurcated
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  Speaker 1: because he wanted to marry this girl, the 17-year-old.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he doesn't want to live in sin. Yeah. He
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  Speaker 2: wants to marry her.
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  Speaker 1: Right. He's an upstanding gentleman.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So they bifurcate, which means that all they did was divorce.
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  Speaker 2: But the assets remain an issue.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And finances.
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  Speaker 1: All the finances is unresolved. Peterson keeps visitation with the sons.
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  Speaker 1: On October 18th, just eight days after his divorce is granted,
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  Speaker 1: this is the bifurcation, He marries Stacy. He's 49 and
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  Speaker 1: she's 19. And they have two children together, Anthony and Lacey,
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  Speaker 1: and live less than a mile.
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  Speaker 2: He had two more kids?
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  Speaker 1: He has two more kids.
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  Speaker 2: He has six kids? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But he does two sets, two sets, two sets.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: With his first, third, and fourth wife.
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing a pattern.
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  Speaker 1: You're seeing a pattern. And he lives with his new wife.
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  Speaker 1: So his new wife is named Stacy. So her name
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  Speaker 1: is Stacy Peterson. Stacy Peterson. Which it's hard for me.
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  Speaker 1: When I think about Drew Peterson, I always want to
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  Speaker 1: think about Scott Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: Because Lacey Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: Because of Lacey Peterson. And now we have Stacey Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of Petersons. All right. And they live less
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  Speaker 1: than a mile from Kathleen's home. Okay? Following all of
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  Speaker 1: this background information.
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  Speaker 2: Wait. Him and his new wife. Newlywed.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Live a mile and a half from the.
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  Speaker 1: Ex-wife.
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  Speaker 2: Kathleen. Third wife number three.
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  Speaker 1: Wife number three. Kathleen.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: In 2004, this is February 29th of 2004, Stacy, this
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  Speaker 1: is wife number four, wakes up in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the night to find that her husband, Drew, is gone.
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  Speaker 1: He later allegedly tells her to lie to police about
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  Speaker 1: his whereabouts.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, police might be coming by. Yeah. Just lie.
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  Speaker 1: From my understanding, he took her through like an hour-long process.
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  Speaker 1: drill of like how to answer questions when the police
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  Speaker 1: ask about his whereabouts.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: And he instructed her and told her.
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  Speaker 2: And how do we know this?
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  Speaker 1: Because later, I believe that she begins to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: She holds his alibi up for a while when they're
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  Speaker 1: happily married. And then later when the marriage... Takes a turn.
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  Speaker 1: When the marriage takes a turn, because this is wife
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  Speaker 1: number four and he's 30 years older than she is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you see long-term potential here in any way?
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  Speaker 2: But....
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, so we get to the next day. So this
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  Speaker 1: is February. 29th. This is when she wakes up in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the night and he's not there.
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  Speaker 2: February 29th?
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  Speaker 1: February 29th. She wakes up in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 1: He's not there. He returns in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: It's a leap year.
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  Speaker 1: She says when he returns in the morning, he's wearing
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  Speaker 1: black clothes, his nighttime outfit, black clothing. And then he
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  Speaker 1: returns with a duffel bag that has clothing in it
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  Speaker 1: that he has to wash. And then he instructs her
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  Speaker 1: that the police are going to contact her and ask
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  Speaker 1: about his whereabouts. And he instructs her how to talk
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  Speaker 1: to the police and say that he was there the
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  Speaker 1: whole night, etc. So she is establishing an alibi for him.
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  Speaker 1: All right. The next day is March 1st.
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  Speaker 2: How would you behave if I came home in black clothes?
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  Speaker 1: And a duffel bag?
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  Speaker 2: And a duffel bag. And I'm like, babe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I need to wash the contents of this duffel bag.
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  Speaker 1: Don't look at it.
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  Speaker 2: And we need to have a talk. And the police
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  Speaker 2: might be coming by and I'm going to prep you.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you don't question anything. She's probably fearful.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how much of it is she's 30 years
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  Speaker 1: younger than him?
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  Speaker 2: I know. I'm not faulting her for doing anything wrong.
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  Speaker 2: But it does seem out of the normal or out
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  Speaker 2: of the, what do you call it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing normal about anything going on.
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  Speaker 2: That's why it's out of the normal. Is that a phrase?
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  Speaker 2: Out of the normal?
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  Speaker 1: No, I think you just made that up.
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  Speaker 2: Out of the blue? It seems odd.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yes. You think so? It does seem odd.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if I don't take the trash out on time,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, what have you been doing all day? This guy,
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't question anything about him.
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  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, this is where you went wrong.
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  Speaker 1: You married me. If you would like to push someone around,
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  Speaker 1: you need to marry someone 30 years younger than you. No,
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  Speaker 1: I like being pushed around.
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  Speaker 2: Please, continue.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So the next day, we get to March 1st.
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  Speaker 1: This is the day that Kathleen Savio, his third wife,
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  Speaker 1: is found dead in her bathtub.
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  Speaker 2: This is how she's- A dry bathtub. What day is
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  Speaker 2: she found?
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  Speaker 1: This is March 1st of 2004.
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  Speaker 2: So the day after, obviously, February 29th.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. This is the day after.
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  Speaker 2: The next day she is found dead. Right.
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  Speaker 1: This is after the night where he disappears and he
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  Speaker 1: tells Stacy to answer the questions about the police and
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  Speaker 1: to establish an alibi for him. Then the next day,
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  Speaker 1: I believe that Drew is the one that goes to
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  Speaker 1: Kathleen's house to talk to her. And he's knocking on
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  Speaker 1: the door and she's not there. She's not answering. But
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  Speaker 1: I believe her car is there. So he's suspicious as
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  Speaker 1: to what's going on. So he goes and gets the neighbor's.
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  Speaker 1: And the neighbor, it's a couple that lives next door.
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  Speaker 1: The woman is Kathleen's best friend. And they actually enter
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  Speaker 1: the house to look for her. So they come into
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  Speaker 1: the house and they're yelling for Kathleen. Kathleen, they're walking around.
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  Speaker 1: And they are the ones that discover her body in
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  Speaker 1: the bathtub. And then later during the trial, the neighbor
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  Speaker 1: ends up testifying as to what she saw when she
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  Speaker 1: entered the scene.
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  Speaker 2: How was she killed?
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  Speaker 1: Well, initially it was... ruled an accident. So she's found
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  Speaker 1: dead in the bathtub, but the bathtub is dry, but
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  Speaker 1: her hair is wet, and she has a deep gash
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  Speaker 1: on her head. So originally, when the police first got there,
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  Speaker 1: I believe Drew is there when they called the police.
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  Speaker 1: So he's there and the neighbors are there. And they
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  Speaker 1: basically say.
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  Speaker 2: Like Drew's there as a concerned ex-husband? Right.
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  Speaker 1: That was like looking for her. And then I believe
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  Speaker 1: when they show up that they're like, oh, or he
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  Speaker 1: says she must have fallen in the bathtub. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it was processed as a crime scene. They
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  Speaker 1: just kind of were like, oh, well, she was found
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  Speaker 1: in the bathtub. She has a gash in the back
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  Speaker 1: of her head. The medical examiner does not a very
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  Speaker 1: intensive type of autopsy.
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  Speaker 2: The initial reaction was accident.
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  Speaker 1: Was accident, right. Like she must have just slipped and
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  Speaker 1: fallen in the bathtub and it was ruled an accident
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  Speaker 1: and that was it. And then Stacy, his new wife,
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  Speaker 1: number four, tells the investigators that Drew was home all
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  Speaker 1: night with her. So then everybody just moves on as
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  Speaker 1: if this was an accident and he has an alibi
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  Speaker 1: and we just go on with life. All right. So
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  Speaker 1: the coroner, I guess there's a coroner's jury, which I'd
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  Speaker 1: never heard of before. But I guess it's a group of.
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  Speaker 2: Like assistants?
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  Speaker 1: Like assistants, people that are there to help, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: examine everything and come up with a decision as to.
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  Speaker 2: It's a team.
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  Speaker 1: It's a team. All right. But someone on this team
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  Speaker 1: includes a police colleague of Peterson. And then they all...
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  Speaker 1: This team rules it as an accidental drowning. So I guess...
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  Speaker 1: I guess what they assume happened is that she was
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  Speaker 1: in the bathtub, hit her head, fell into the.
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  Speaker 2: Water and then drain and then drain the tub and then,
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  Speaker 2: and then.
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  Speaker 1: Drain the tub.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When they go to trial and the neighbor testifies, she
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  Speaker 1: testifies as to more details that was found as far
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  Speaker 1: as she noticed that like there wasn't a towel or
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: a bathrobe and that her hair was down. And if
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: she was taking a bath, she would have worn her
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  Speaker 1: hair up. And so she was, I guess testifying as
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  Speaker 1: to that it didn't look like what it would look
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  Speaker 1: like if she was legitimately taking a bath.
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  Speaker 2: It did look like it was foul play.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't add up properly. Right. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Then we get to 2007. So this is three years later,
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  Speaker 1: October 29th. Stacey Peterson is reported missing one day after
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  Speaker 1: failing to show up at a relative's home. In the
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  Speaker 1: weeks before, she had told family and friends she believed
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: her husband killed Kathleen. Meanwhile, Drew Peterson claims Stacey left
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: him for another man. Her family says she would never
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: abandon her children.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: So she just goes missing. And it's her sister is
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: the one that I guess her sister spent a Saturday
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: with her and they spent the day together. They're very close.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: So it was Stacey and her sister. Then the next
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: day is Sunday and her sister starts reaching out to her, texting, calling, whatever.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: And she can never get a hold of her sister.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Then she ends up calling Drew because she's like, I
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: can't get a hold of my sister. And he's like, oh, well,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: she left me. She took $ 25, 000 in cash out of
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: the safe. And she just left. And she left me
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: for another man.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: And she left her kids.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: And she left the kids behind.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: And her car behind.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: And her car.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: And her cell phone.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And she just met some other guy and took
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: some cash. And she's gone now. All right, November 9th.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: So the day she disappears is October 29th. Then we
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: get to November 9th. The Illinois State Police named Peterson
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: as a suspect in Stacy's disappearance and formally opened an
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: investigation into Kathleen's death. This is when they finally start
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: putting two and two together. They're like, now we get
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: to his fourth wife. And all of a sudden, she
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: mysteriously disappears. I guess he said he found her car
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: at that little airport. Like it was a little airport.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: So they go... And I guess he said he found
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: her car there. I think he just wrote, I don't know.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: No, her car was found at the house. And the
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: sister of the victim questioned, why is her car here
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: if she is not home? And because at one point
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: the car was not there. And then the car returned home.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: So she's like, oh, she must be home now. Where
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: is she? And he said, no, she's still gone. How
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: did the car get here? Oh, I found it. It
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: was at the airport down the street, half mile away
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Right. I brought it back. Right.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: That's his story.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: That's his story.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: That's why the car was there and then the car
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't there. He's claiming that she drove it to... This
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: little local airport that was like a mile away and
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: that he found.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Her car there. And then vanished with her boyfriend. Right.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: On some flight, even though wouldn't you have a flight
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: log or some manifest that would have her name on
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: it somewhere?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: It would have been more accurate if he said, oh,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I used that car to dump the body after I
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: killed her and then I brought it back.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Right. But he didn't say that.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: No. Okay. Okay.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: All right. So she is missing. And then now this
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: is wife number four. So then they start to put
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: two and two together and think, well, he also had
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: a wife number three who died suspiciously in a bathtub.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: And now three years later, he has a wife number
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: four who has now disappeared and no one can find
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: her anywhere. All right. Then we get to November 12th.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: So after 29 years with the Bullingbrook Police Department, Peterson resigns.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: They also order This is the prosecutor, because I remember
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: him talking about how they hadn't exhumed a body in like,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how long, so many years, and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: that they ordered for Kathleen's body to be exhumed because
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: they did not treat, when she died in the bathtub,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: they did not treat it like a crime scene.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: They treated it as a slip and fall.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: So there wasn't any crime scene processing and there wasn't
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: a very intense type of autopsy done on her body.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: So they end up exhuming the body so that they
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: can have a different medical examiner do a, I don't
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: know what it is, but a more in-depth autopsy.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: A follow-up autopsy?
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: A more in-depth autopsy, a more detailed autopsy.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Well, probably one with the intent of looking to see
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: if there's foul play.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: So on November 13th, Kathleen's body is exhumed. A new
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: autopsy conducted by a former New York City medical examiner
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: finds bruises and wounds pointing to a prolonged struggle before
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: she drowned. On November 14th, Peterson launches a media blitz
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: to proclaim his innocence and includes an appearance on NBC's
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Today Show. Did you see some of those clips? I mean,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: he is out there in the media. He talks, they
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: follow him everywhere. And then he has a camera and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: he films them back.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's laughing, making jokes, like mocking them. Right.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, not like a get off my lawn, give
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: me some privacy.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: No, like he's enjoying it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Like he was probably hoping to land a reality show.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Probably. I mean, he was enjoying the attention. He was
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: doing interviews. He was talking. He was just talking.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: He was cocky. He thought he wouldn't get caught.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Then we get to 2008. This is a year later.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Peterson continues appearing on national TV and radio, including Larry
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: King Live, often making frivolous remarks about his missing wife.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Is this where it was asked of him? Like, why
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: are you not showing remorse? Or why are you not
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: calling her missing? He wasn't calling her missing. And why
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: are you not looking for her kind of thing? And
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: he's like, Why would I want to look for someone
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: that doesn't want to be found?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Because he did not.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: That was his way of reinforcing, no, she left on
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: her own free will. Right. And she doesn't want to
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: be with me or the kids. Right.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Because obviously they're exhuming the body from his third wife.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: So they do think that there's foul play involved in
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: this fourth wife, Stacey, missing.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: So there are lots of search and rescues going on
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: looking for Stacy. He does not participate in any of those.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: And his position is, why would I participate in these searches?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Because I told you, she left with another man. So
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to participate in this.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Was there another man that was pointed to? Wasn't there?
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Didn't he try to connect her with someone?
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Well, they did find someone that she had.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's what it was. I did see this clip. Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: She reconnected with some old high school boyfriend or person. Yeah.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if they were romantically involved. And
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: he was an innocent person, right? She just, she found his,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: she's like, I found your number. I was cleaning the garage.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I found your number. I was catching up. Hey, what's up?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: And then he said that she was always kind of
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: trying to initiate something with him.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: She wanted to like come over and she wanted to
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: see him.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: And I saw that as like, she probably just needed
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: like someone or like she was looking for probably security
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: somewhere and maybe, you know, get away from her husband
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: and try to latch onto someone else or just lean
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: on someone else. And he wasn't interested. It sounded like
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: he wasn't interested in her other than being friendly and
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: But when she was like, because he was like, she
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: was trying to hook up with me. She'd be like,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: come over. He's at work. And he wasn't interested. Thankfully,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: he wasn't interested.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Well, he wasn't interested because he was scared. Because do
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you remember? That's right.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: You got to tell this.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: They met at a, the two of them met at
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a diner.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Talk about a deal breaker.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: And then Drew, her husband, shows up at the diner.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: In a police car, in police uniform.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: In a police uniform. And sits down at the table
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: with them.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Like, just the way it was started was, like, he
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: just walked in. Yeah. Like, he parked in front of
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the window. Right. Walked right in and sat down right
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: next to him at the booth.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And asked for his ID and stuff. Right.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so, I think that guy was like, no,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: thank you.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: And this guy knew that it was her husband. Right.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Not like her big brother or didn't know who he was. Like, yeah.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Exactly. This guy, he should be glad that Drew... intimidated
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: him that way.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: So he just backed off.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that way he didn't drop any DNA on
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: her or anything.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Right. The other thing I found interesting is that when
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: they were talking about the search and rescues in order
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to find Stacy, they're looking for a body at this point, right?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: They're looking for Stacy's body. Do you remember where they
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: were talking about how they had all these search teams?
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: They had all these search teams out that were looking.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: In the water. They looked in what they thought would
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: be the most obvious place to dump a body, which
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: was like some nasty sewer canal, something.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: It was some body of water. Yeah. And then they
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, well, we were searching this body of water.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: We found about 30 cars.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: No, no. First they found eight bodies.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: No, that was not the body of water. That was
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: when they were searching trails and things.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. They found 25 to 30 stolen cars. In
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the ocean, or in the water, excuse me, in the water. Right.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: But they were also talking about how they were out
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: on some, you know, areas, trails and stuff. And they said, well,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: we found about eight other bodies.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: But they were all male.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: But they were all male. I was like, what? How
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: are you? So you're just out looking for this woman
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: who disappeared. And while you have all these search and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: rescue teams out looking for this woman that disappeared, you
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: just randomly found eight other bodies?
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And they selected the place where they said, most likely
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a body would be dumped here.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: It's not like they had some, cellular signals or something
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: that drew them there. So why wouldn't you search that
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: place regularly?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: They should.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Clearly, like when you find out, hey, there's oil here
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: in this field, then they keep looking for more oil.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you keep looking for more dead bodies?
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. All right, so we're still in 2008.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: This is February 21st of 2008. The Will County State's Attorney,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: James Glasgow, announces that Kathleen's death is officially a homicide
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and it was one stage to look like an accident.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I guess during the autopsy, this more detailed, the second
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: one after she was exhumed, they found bruising on her
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: chest area and they found like a large bruise on
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: her abdomen where it kind of looks like someone would
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: come up behind her. And like, like if I came
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: up behind you and then pulled you and struggled, it
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: would have caused bruising on her abdomen. All right.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: So.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Peterson turns himself in on a weapons charge unrelated to
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Stacey's disappearance, and he's released after an adult son, one
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: of his adult sons, post-bond. November 20th, the gun charge
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: against Peterson is dropped. All right, then we get to 2009.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Drew Peterson is indicted for Kathleen Savio's murder and arrested
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: during a traffic stop. He pleads not guilty, and a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: judge refuses to lower his $ 20 million bail. He stays
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: in jail. Can you imagine? His bail is $ 20 million.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: This guy, this judge isn't messing around.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: He didn't want him out. No.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: January of 2010, a hearing is held to determine which
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: hearsay statements can be used at trial. Prosecutors call more
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: than 60 witnesses, and this decision sets off two years
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: of appeals. All right, there's also this thing called Drew's
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Law that when I was researching this case, So basically,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: in order for the prosecution to try Drew Peterson, they
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: have to use hearsay statements from Stacey, because Stacey had
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: told people that she was scared of Drew.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: And she's unavailable.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: And she is unavailable. And there's also hearsay statements from Kathleen,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: who has said to many people, if something happens to me,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it was Drew.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: It was unavailable. Right.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: So in order for those statements to come into court...
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: There was this thing called Drew's Law that was inspired
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: by this case.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Well, for listeners, it's important. This is a hearsay statement.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: These statements are considered hearsay because the two individuals that
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: made the statements are not available here. to be in
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: court and be cross-examined. So you need a judge to
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: make an exception to allow these statements to be brought in.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Right. So Illinois lawmakers pass a new law inspired by
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the case, nicknamed Drew's Law. Drew's Law allows prosecutors to
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: present statements in a trial made by an unavailable witness if,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: It's a three-pronged test, okay? So these statements that are
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: considered hearsay would not normally be allowed in court, although
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: there's a ton of exceptions to hearsay, as we know. However, because,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: like you said, the people who made the statements cannot
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: be cross-examined by the defense, they have to meet these
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: three criteria in order to be allowed in. One, it
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: can be proven that the defendant or adverse party murdered
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the witness. The statements are reliable and And lastly, the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: interests of justice are best served by admitting the statements.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: So basically, that was the test to allow these statements.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And that's really the only evidence they have against him.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Because first of all, this bathtub situation, it wasn't processed
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: like a crime scene. So you don't have his DNA
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: or his blood.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Priority to have photographs. Right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: They probably didn't even photograph it. I don't know. I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: think I saw a couple photographs.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Not to the extent of documenting it for a crime scene. Right.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: The judge gave him a $ 20 million bail. However, he
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: cannot pay the bail. How much do you have to pay?
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Well, usually at least 10%. What's 10%? 2 million.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: 2 million.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: So you'd have to come up with 2 million cash.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And then you'd have to have a bondsman that is willing.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: To come up with that.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Or to, yeah, to put their name on it.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: All right, January of 2010, a hearing is held to
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: determine which hearsay statements can be used at trial. Prosecutors
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: call more than 60 witnesses and the decision sets off
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: two years of appeals. All right, then in January of 2012,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: there's a cable TV movie that comes out called Drew
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Peterson Untouchable. And it stars Rob Lowe as Drew Peterson.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see this?
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: No.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: No. What's it called? It's called Drew Peterson Untouchable. And
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Rob Lowe plays Drew Peterson.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Untouchable because he's been committing crimes for 30 years with
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: a badge and a uniform on. All right. On April
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: 12th of 2012, an Illinois appeals court allows some of
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the hearsay evidence. The defense does not appeal any further.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: All right. So now we can finally start the trial
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: because we've come to decisions about what hearsay evidence is
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: allowed in. So the prosecution is allowed to use some
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: of this hearsay. All right. On July 31st of 2012,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: opening statements began and the trial nearly collapses. Roughly 10
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: minutes into the prosecution's opening, state's attorney James Glasgow tells
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: jurors that Peterson had allegedly offered someone $ 25, 000 to kill Kathleen. What?
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: The judge scolded prosecutors for raising an allegation that they
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: hadn't yet proven, warning it could color how jurors saw
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the rest of the evidence.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Your Honor, this is not good for my client. The
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: jurors might find him guilty.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Right. On August 22nd of 2012, Jeff Pachter, the former
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: co-worker who says Peterson offered him money to arrange Kathleen's murder,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: takes the stand along with several other prosecution witnesses.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: So this is like a surprise witness, huh? Yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: August 23rd of 2012. and then individual sessions with their pastor.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: However, this pastor testified that Stacy, prior to her disappearing,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: had reached out to him and said that she needed
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to meet him at like a Starbucks or something because
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: she needed to meet him immediately because she wanted to
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: talk to him and basically told him that she was
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: like scared of Drew and that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: He was controlling her. They did meet?
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. So she ended up meeting with her pastor
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and explained all this.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: She also told him about the evening that Kathleen Savio
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: was found dead or was.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: No, when he came home.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: When he came home, right.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: And he had dirty clothes in his duffel bag. Right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: He had laundry to do. Right.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: She recounted that story to her pastor.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Wow, that was important that was brought in.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Right. So Pastor Neal on the stand tells jurors what
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Stacey said... She claims that Drew left their bed in
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the middle of the night around the time Kathleen had
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: died and that at dawn, she saw him returning and
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: putting women's clothes that weren't hers into the washing machine.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Under cross-examination, he dropped a bombshell and he claims that
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Stacey had told him that she was living with a murderer.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I couldn't even get that far. Putting other women's clothes
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: in the washer?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, that would cause a lot of questions to
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: be asked.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Right. It's an important note that the judge had ruled
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: that prosecutors could not mention Stacey's disappearance or that authorities
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: presume that she's dead. So jurors heard her words without
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: officially being told why she was not there.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do remember when I was watching a documentary
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: that the judge ruled that they couldn't talk about that
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Stacey had disappeared when he's on trial for Kathleen Savio's murder.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: They weren't allowed to hear any testimony or evidence that
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Stacey had disappeared and that.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: They couldn't bring in another alleged crime. Right. Which was
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: also murder and a wife. The similarities... Yeah. They wanted
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: to keep out of the courtroom.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: August 27th of 2012, the prosecution arrests its case after
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: calling more than 30 witnesses. I do know that the
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: neighbor that found Kathleen Savio in the bathtub testified. But
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: it actually, first, her testimony, she's put on by the prosecution.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And there were a lot of odd things that she
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: claims about the crime scene. Well, I call it a
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: crime scene. But at the time, it was the bathtub scene.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Because she said things like Kathleen's hair was down, but
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: she was taking a bath, so her hair should have
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: been up. that there was no towel or bathrobe. She
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: would have had a towel or a bathrobe. There wasn't anything.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: The bathtub was dry. Just things that she noticed that
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: seemed off. But then the defense cross-examines her, right? And
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: they asked her, did you ever see Drew be abusive?
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: No.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see them fight? Did she tell you
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: that he was abusive? Did you see her with bruises?
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Things like that. And she answered no to all of that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So she ended up being the prosecution's witness. But then
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: she also ended up really helping out Yeah.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Because she testified that she saw no violence.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Or aggressive behavior. Right.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Now, when I was watching this documentary, the defense admits
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that they made a critical error in calling witnesses. This
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: is the biggest error they made.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Hell so. What witness?
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: So on August 29th of 2012, the defense makes their
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: biggest gamble. Lead attorney, Joel Brodsky, called Harry Smith to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the stand. Now, Harry Smith... He was a divorce attorney
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: that Stacy had reached out to because she was contemplating
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: leaving Drew. So Smith testifies that Stacy had asked him
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: whether she could get more money. First of all, he
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: testifies that Stacy reaches out to him about a divorce.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Then he testifies that during that conversation, She asked him
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: if she could get more money in a divorce against
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Drew if she says that Drew killed Kathleen.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: What if I say my husband's a murderer? Yeah. How
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: will that help me?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: The testimony seems to backfire on the defense because Harry Smith,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: he's an attorney, right? Repeatedly stresses on the stands to
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the jurors that Stacey sincerely believed what she was saying
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: and that she kept asking him The wording was very interesting.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: It was, I can tell if I tell how he
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: did it. Not like if I make up and say...
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: If I say he did it. If I say he
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: did it. He was stressing... It was more as if
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: it happened. Right. He was stressing that the language she
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: used was that she could say how he had killed
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Kathleen that night. Not that she was going to make
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: it up to.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Get more money. I mean, she had some conversation with him, possibly. Wait,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: hold on. I have a question. Yeah. So... Why did
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: the defense bring this attorney in as a witness?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Well, they messed up. They didn't have any.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I know, but what was their thinking?
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Probably to show that she was reaching out and wanted
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: to get divorced. And so that goes along with the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: story that she just ran off with somebody else.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Like she was preparing to leave the relationship
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: just as she did the other day. And she left
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: her car at the airport and went off with some guy.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: But this is where they messed up. They didn't know
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that he was going to say... that she also said
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to him, can I get more money from Drew if
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I say how he killed Kathleen?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I would have loved to see the look on the
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: defense attorney's face when that was surfacing.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Well, he says in the documentary that if he was
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: an alcoholic, he would have gotten a flask out and
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: gotten drunk right in the middle of court. But he
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: said he doesn't drink. He said that's how bad it was. Like,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that's how bad it was.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: He just peed his pants in the courtroom, didn't he? Yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: That same day, Drew Peterson and Kathleen Savio's son takes
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: the stand. Thomas, who was 19 years old at the time,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: told jurors he never believed his father killed his mother.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: He was 11 when she died, and he and his
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: brother were staying with Drew and Stacey just blocks away
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: at the time of the murder. When the judge asked
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Drew Peterson whether he would take the stand, he firmly declined,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: and then the defense rested. So at least he was
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: smart enough. See, I thought Drew Peterson was someone that
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: would actually testify on his own behalf.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Right. Kind of like he did with the media.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: In front of the camera.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Stay his position.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Even against the advice of his defense attorneys, even if
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: they said, no, you don't need to testify on your
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: own behalf. He's the kind of narcissistic man that would
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: want to testify on his own behalf. But he didn't.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: We get to September 6th of 2012. After five weeks
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: of testimony and one day of deliberation, the jury finds
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Drew Peterson guilty of first degree murder. He's sentenced to
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: 38 years in prison for the murder of Kathleen Savio.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: How many years? 30?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: 38.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: 38 years.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: This is 2014 now. So he goes to prison. He's
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: at the Menard Correctional Center and Peterson tries. This is interesting.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: He can't even like stay out of trouble once he
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: gets to prison. He tries to arrange a hit on
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the prosecutor, James Glasgow.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: This guy's go-to is just murder. Yeah.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: So a fellow inmate, he becomes friends with a guy
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: named The Beast, who is- Mr.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Beast?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Not Mr. Beast, just The Beast. Oh, okay. His name,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: he's like a former gang member or something.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Not to be confused with Mr.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Beast. And they become friendly.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: When was he arrested initially? 2009.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: So, okay.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: So he's been in prison since 2009. Yes. All the
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: way up until today. Okay. Okay.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: But now we're in 2014. Right.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: So he'd been in prison five years at this point.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: So while he's at the Menard Correctional Center, he becomes
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: friends with this guy named The Beast, who's like a
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: gang member. And then this guy actually is a stand-up
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: model prisoner. He writes a letter to the prosecutor and
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: details how.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's a law-abiding beast.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: He's a law-abiding beast. He writes a letter to the
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: prosecutor detailing how Drew Peterson is trying to hire him
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: or his outside people. You know, he goes along with
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: it and says.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Why do they have voice recorders in their cells?
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: He says he has an uncle that can, you know,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: take out this prosecutor. And so they're having conversations about
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Drew hiring a hitman. So he writes a letter to
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: the prosecutor and details, like, what's going on.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, I get it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: So they end up interviewing him.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: They said they get hundreds and hundreds of letters from
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: prison and 99% of them, they are like throw away,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: throw away.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Why don't they have voice recorders in the cells.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: At all times?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they should, but that would, I mean,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I guess cost to be able to do that.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I wonder if there's some privacy issues, like you have
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: an expectation of privacy in yourself.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you have an expectation of privacy?
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't think so.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't think so. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: A public cell it's funded by taxpayers i don't know
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: if you have an expectation of privacy yeah and they
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: can what your guards can walk in at any.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Time when they get these letters you can go back
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: oh i mean they record the phone calls right there's
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: a reason why they do that yeah right i mean
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: it's not it's for safety right and it's also for
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: incriminating reasons oh.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: There's so many jailhouse recordings that just put the nail
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: in the coffin for people right All right. So then
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: what they do is they ask this guy to wear
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a wire in jail, in prison.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, the voice recorder. Here we go.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Wear a wire and to continue the conversations with Drew Peterson.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: He does not get a reduced sentence or anything. He's
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: just doing it out of the goodness of his heart.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: He goes back. He has all these... Because it's the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: right thing to do. It's the right thing to do.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: So he's wearing a wire. He has conversations with Drew
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: where he talks about... about like your uncle can do it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Like your uncle's going to take him out. This is
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: where he lives.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: They're deliberating.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: The green light. And then he starts talking about how
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: they're going to celebrate when the guy is dead. He
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: can't wait. It's going to be the best day ever.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: So they have all of this on recording. On the recording,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: when Peterson is told the job could be done by Christmas,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: he claims that it would make a nice gift.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Again, a family man.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: A family man. Right. 2016, Peterson is convicted of solicitation
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of murder for hire and sentenced to an additional 40 years. Nice. Now,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that he only got 38
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: for an actual murder.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: But he got 40 for solicitation of murder.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder if there's aggravating factors because it was
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: like a prosecutor. Was it the prosecutor he wanted to kill?
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: It was the prosecutor. It was the prosecutor that prosecuted
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: his case.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: And then I wonder if like doing it as a
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: convicted felon, if that's an aggravating factor.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I'm just glad he's in jail.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Or prison.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: You know, it was interesting because the prosecutor says that
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: when he first took on the case to prosecute Drew
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Peterson for the murder of Kathleen Savio, that he considered
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: not taking the case because he thought the man... But
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: then what do they do now?
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, this guy doesn't learn his lesson. Now he
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: has a new cellmate that he's going to try to
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: like kill someone else.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: You mean, how do you keep him?
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: He's going to try to kill the beast. Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Like where does it end?
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, unless they, you know, like in
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: class they separate, like you two can't stop talking to
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: each other. They're going to separate you. He has to
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: be separated from other cellmates.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Because he keeps trying to hire.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Because he's going to recruit. Yeah. I would be scared
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: if I was on that case for any reason.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: And this guy's running around trying to kill people.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anyone that testified against him should be scared.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Right. 56 people, right? Right.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: How do you protect all 56 people? I mean, this
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: guy's in prison. He's trying to make hit contracts with prisoners.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: What's the harm? He's going to get more time on
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: his sentence? Right. He's already in there for life.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Right. In 2017, Peterson's eldest son, Stephen, who he shares
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: with his first wife, tells the Chicago Tribune he does
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: believe his father is responsible for Stacey's disappearance.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Well....
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: And to this day, Stacey has never been found.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: The body.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: The body, yeah. We don't know where Stacey is. All right.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: May of 2022, Peterson's former defense attorney, this is Joel Brodsky,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: says that he knows what happened to Stacey and where
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: she is, but that attorney-client privilege bars him from revealing it. Oh, what?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: He adds that he has considered coming forward anyway, but
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: that he does hope that Drew Peterson does the right
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: thing and eventually says where Stacey is and what happened
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: to her.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Wait, this is his attorney saying this?
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Why would he have volunteered- that information and then say,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I can't give it to you. If you can't give it,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: then don't even bring it up.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: So then there was a gag order put in place.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: So following his public comments, prosecutors and the state secured
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: gag orders and legal actions against Brodsky to prevent him
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: from disclosing any privileged communications. An Illinois appellate court ruled
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: unanimously that Brodsky is legally barred from disclosing prior confidential
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: conversations with Drew Peterson and upholding attorney-client privilege and stopping
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: any planned disclosures. It's the pinnacle of the legal system
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: is the attorney-client privilege, that you have to be able
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: to tell your attorney any information.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: You need a safe space.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And that it is a safe space. And that no
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: matter what, that can never be disclosed. You really have
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: to have that confidentiality. That's what the legal system is
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: based on. And I don't care, even though He's a
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: horrible person and I'm sure he did something with Stacy's
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: body and this defense attorney probably knows where she is
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and she's buried somewhere and he knows where the body is.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: You can't breach that.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: No, but why would he just like leak it on
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Reddit or something?
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: On Reddit?
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, somewhere.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you would do?
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just like drop it somewhere. Just drop a post-it
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: note somewhere.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: You would be the.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just like send the coordinates anonymously to the police station.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: But don't do it from your cell phone.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Make sure you turn your cell phone off before you
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: start to.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Get a burner phone.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: No, but really, like, why wouldn't you do that? I mean,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I know why. I know why.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: And I would.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: So Stacey Peterson still remains missing to this day, and
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Drew Peterson has never been charged in her disappearance. Although
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: he will, we can all at least safely say that
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: he'll be in prison for the rest of his life.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: And we know where he is in case her body
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: shows up.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: No, we don't know where he is. This is the
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: other thing I was going to say.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: What?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: It is confidential where he is located.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, we have to protect this man?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, because he is a former police officer. And so
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: because of that- He's also a former murderer. I know.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: But they keep his whereabouts confidential.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: That's his practice, huh? Yeah.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: So it is undisclosed as to where his location is.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: But they know where he is.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: They know where he is. Yeah. I'm just saying it's not,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I guess it's not public record where he is housed.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: It's nice that he can, he's retired to a private- Yes. Facility. Facility. place.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: And he's on a fixed income. Yes. And he has
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: a roof over his head. Yes. Okay. Right. All right.
• 44:46
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