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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed MCC Lieutenant (Part 11) (5/7/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode where dive and right back
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  in to the unnamed lieutenant from MCC and his interview
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  with the OIG inspectors. Question, speaking of lieutenants, we don't
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  need to make you look in this well look it up?
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  Answer this is post orders. Question We'll dig into that.
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  But you think it's probably in the shoe. Answer, yeah,
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  it's around. But to say specific go ten, check on
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  and all that, I don't know if it says all that.
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  Question all right, it just says you need to conduct
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  around and then different people interpret that a different way.
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  Answer yeah, yep. Question all right, you said he gets
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  cut off by the lieutenant. But then again, if she
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  don't get the information, I can see it being missed.
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  Question right. Answer because if no one tells me that
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  the guy left, he gets cut off by the investigator.
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  But if she says that, I know redacted left, I
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  know Epstein's by himself, but I didn't know he needed
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  a cell mate. Does that make sense to you at all? Answer?
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  I mean, unless she didn't read the email, or she's
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  not I don't know how it is. Maybe she wasn't aware. Question,
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  But I mean the fact that, again, those three things
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  that we talked about. I understand you say, like odd
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  number or you know that kind of stuff, but the
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  fact that there's an email that went out, there's the
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  hot list that has his name on it, and the
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  fact that he's in the shoe and he's not one
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  of those So one of those three she should have
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  at least known, right that Epstein was required to have
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  a cell mate? Answer yeah, question, So are saying I
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  didn't know? Is that to you? Like, of course you knew,
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  you've been around for a long time. Whereas he gets
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  cut off by the lieutenant. I mean, I'm thinking she
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  needs no one told her question no one verbalized it
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  to her? Answer yeah, question, But do you think that
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  that's an appropriate excuse for a lieutenant saying I didn't
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  know if those three things are in place? Answer I'm
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  not sure. Question, you're not sure, And I know you
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  don't want to be like you know, but like I'm
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  just trying to reconcile it too, Like, all right, if
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  you're saying you didn't know, how is it that it's
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  possible if everybody else, everybody else I talk to seems
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  to know. Answer then again, I told you the hot
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  list and all that. That's things that like, like the email,
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  even though it's out, there is no timeframe on that. Question. Yeah,
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  but the fact that there's still on the hot list,
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  I would think that that would continue because the email
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  went out. But then you're also placed on the hot list,
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  and if you're on the hot list, it basically corresponds
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  with the email. Correct answer. Yeah, but the hot list
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  is for initial so you get locked up, That's when
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  I'm checking. I know, I'm checking to see if this
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  inmate is on the hot list initially. Question So, only
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  when the hot list changes, you're not looking at the
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  people that are still on the hot list. Answer Well,
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  I'm saying, like, if there's ten on there and the
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  guy gets locked up from eleven North, he comes and
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  he just got a psych alert, and we make sure
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  he gets a bunkie. He got a bunkie, he does
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  a month with a bunkie, day thirty one, we're not
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  still you know. Question So, in this case, you would
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  think even July thirtieth to August ninth, when the guy leaves,
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  that could be enough time to say he doesn't need
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  a bunkie anymore. Answer I mean, I'm not psychology. Question
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  all right, and you don't know if psychology is making
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  any more? No one told you answer? No one specified
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  the timeframe about how long he was going to be.
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  He gets cut off by the investigator. Did anyone after
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  July thirtieth, after receiving that email? Did anyone talk to
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  you about Epstein needing a cell mate? Answer? Not that
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  I recall question. No, who would have if he, in
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  fact did continue to need a cell mate? Who would
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  have told you? Answer? I say, psychology, question psychology, not
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  the captain or another lieutenant. It was psychology. Answer psychology.
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  They deal with that question. And who in psychology answer
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  any of them? Question? Anybody answer anyone? Hey, it's an
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  email question. So just you think that they should have
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  continued like once a week or something sending out an email,
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  or how often? Because that wasn't even two weeks after
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  the email went out, so like how soon should they answer?
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  I don't think that a weekly or you know, he
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  gets cut off by the investigator. That maybe was ten
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  days ago. The lieutenant because I don't know, I don't know.
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  I know they indiscernible to us, so I don't know
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  they're a policy because I know, they're supposed to follow
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  up and then there are steps to it. I don't know,
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  I'm not familiar with that policy. Question. Okay, but you
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  think it was psychology that they were the ones that
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  should have made sure, like there's people in the shoe.
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  He gets cut off. They sent out the email to us.
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  Question right, answer, they notified us. Question. But you're saying
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  like that could be like a day or two. It
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  doesn't mean that two weeks from there it matters. Answer? Yeah,
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  I mean that happens two weeks after that. Yeah, the
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  guy goes to court, he leaves, there's a time and opportunity.
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  I don't think it's nobody's fault. Question. You think it's
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  just he gets cut off by the lieutenant. I just
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  don't think it's nobody's fault. Question. Okay. And do you
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  recall this sign or any sign hanging up saying that
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  he needed a cell mate or he needed to be
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  thirty minute rounds on him. Answer? I definitely don't recall
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  that signs about you saying him needed rounds. Question that's
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  the rounds answer. No, the one that he gets cut
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  off by the investigator. Another one saying that he was
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  required to have a cell mate. Answer the sign. Question,
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  so we've been told that there was a sign saying
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  that Epstein was required to have a cellmate in the
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  Shoe on the desk area. Answer could have been I
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  don't know. I don't be in the desk area. Question
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  so you don't you're not aware, but you know that
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  there was a hot list at least? Answer No, the
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  hot list is there. It's been there since I was
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  working there. The hot list is back there, and that's
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  about it. Question and do you know if Epstein was
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  on the hot list? Answer no, I'm not sure. Question
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  you're not sure? Answer do you have the hot list?
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  Question not with us? No, I don't think do we
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  have it? No, you said you didn't even know it.
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  As the absolute tenant, You don't recall specific conversations with
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  anybody that worked in the Shoe on August ninth or tenth.
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  No answer specific conversation. No, it was a regular day
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  question I mean up leading from basically July thirtieth to
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  August ninth. Answer oh about he gets cut off about
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  the need for checking on Epstein or a cellmate or
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  anything to do with Epstein. Answer No, all I know
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  is when he tried at the first time he went
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  to suicide Watch, come off and they put him with
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  the other guy. No, no, they put him with someone else.
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  I don't know. Question. So initially he was with is
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  it redacted? Answer? Redacted? He was named question and then
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  he went to suicide Watch, came back on July thirtieth
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  like that. So from July thirtieth to August ninth, as obsol,
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  lieutenant or otherwise, did you have any conversation with anybody
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  working on the shoe in the shoe on August ninth
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  or August tenth about Epstein? Answer? Yeah, question, and what
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  were those conversations about? What did they enteil? Answer? You know,
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  just hey, leave them with you got to make sure
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  they get down here early. You got legal visits. I
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  know he was asking for a phone phone call. This
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  is like basic, you know, regular stuff. Question. What about
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  with regard to making sure they're doing rounds or that
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  he has a cell mate? Did you have any conversations
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  from the time you got that email on after you
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  got the email, did you call down to the shoe
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  and say hey, or visit the shoe and say hey,
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  make sure that he's got he gets cut off by
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  the lieutenant. I can't recall, and I wouldn't do it
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  if I'm not the CEO. Question right, did you take
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  any action after receiving that email? Did you talk to
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  anybody about it? Answer? I can't recall. Question that email
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  was Why was that email sent out all the lieutenants? Answer?
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  I told you they send it out every time someone
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  comes off suicide Watch. Question right, so what is the
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  purpose of that? Answer for the doing the job question?
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  So by you getting it and doing your job as
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  like an opos lieutenant or an activities lieuten what is that?
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  Is that something that you're supposed to make other people
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  aware of? Or why do they provide you with that information? Answer?
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  I think they're required to question they're required to answer?
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  I think they're required or it could be a reminder, Hey,
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  by the way, this guy's getting released off suicide Watch
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  and placed them with an inmate in chew Question but
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  is it so you can then follow up to make
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  sure that the CEOs know or there must be a
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  reason rather than just for your own information. There's got
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  to be usually your provided information for a specific reason.
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  So why are lieutenants provided that information rather than just
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  the shoe lieutenants? Why are everybody else provided it. Answer,
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  I'm not sure, but hey, send an email out to
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  everybody though, question right answer lieutenant's indiscernible question. So that's
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  what I'm saying. Well, it's not an all staff email.
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  It's like he gets cut off by the lieutenant. No. Oh,
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  it's a correctional services and correctional system. Right question. Oh,
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  you can tell me here, I'll show you. I thought
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  it was primarily lieutenants. I mean, I think a couple
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  of shoe staff might be on there, but it's the
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  three pages behind it. Answer. Okay, so suicide watch, psych
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  observation update. So you got legal in here, food service
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  case managers, lieutenants, unit team. Question. So by reviewing that,
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  are you able to tell me, like, is there a
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  target audience? Answer? No, this is to make everybody aware.
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  Question because it's not an all staff email, though, is it? Answer? No? Question,
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  So who are they sending it to? Like? How did
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  they come up with that group of people to send
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  it to? Answer? It's the same way we do logs.
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  We send it to the same group every night. Question
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  what group is at answer the executive staff, the lieutenants, psychology,
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  then a psycho assistant. Question So it's all correctional staff though.
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  Answer correctional staff. Yeah, it's not all correctional officers though.
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  Question so is everybody but the officers? Answer you got
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  some officers on here too. Question but you're not sure
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  how they make that decision? Answer? No, you got medical lieutenants,
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  Food service, R and D, Legal duty officer. Yeah, I
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  mean I think they would probably do this. It's for
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  your information, like FYI. Question, but do you know I
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  understand where the FYI? You're not clear on why they
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  he gets cut off again by the lieutenant indiscernible back
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  to the investigator. Send it to those specific people, okay,
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  but as far as you receiving it. Answer yeah, I
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  can't recall if I spoke to him about it up
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  in internal or not. Question and that wouldn't be Like,
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  that's not the way it works. Whereas provide the information
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  to lieutenants and the lieutenants make sure that you provide
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  the information to the CEOs. Answer It depends on your area.
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  Like if I'm shoe lieutenant right now, right so they Hey,
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  this guy's coming in, make sure Okay, make sure you
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  know I'm saying directly to the staff I'm supervising. Question
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  is it the obsolutenant job to make sure the shoe
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  lieutenant does it. Answer uh huh. Question is there any
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  oversight there? Does the absolutenant kind of have oversight over
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  the shoe lieutenants? Answer? I mean sometimes the shoe lieutenant
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  has rank on an opso liutenant question Oh, it depends
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  on if you're nine or eleven? Answer yeah, question all right,
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  So it's not based upon position that you're holding. Like
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  the absolutenant doesn't like the position, doesn't he gets cut
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  off by the lieutenant. I mean, we don't supervise lieutenants.
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  No lieutenant supervises lieutenants. That's why we have a supervisor.
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  Question No, no, And again these are questions just for
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  you to try and help us underst and how the
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  operation works and did Again, not placing blame on you whatsoever.
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  It's just trying to figure out how it's supposed to work.
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  If they're saying it's you, are you supposed to do
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  something with that information? Answer? I mean, But the thing
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  is they followed up until that time came question what
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  do you mean? Answer, he had a bunkie up until
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  that time. Question right, So they put it out he
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  had a bunkie, and then he didn't, and that's what
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  we're trying to figure out. Who was who were aware
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  was the communication breakdown? Who should have had that time
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  taken action to make sure that he had a bunkie
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  And that's the whole thing that we're looking into. Who
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  should have made sure Epstein, once redacted was removed and
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  people were notified that he was removed, who should have
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  taken action? Answer? Yeah, question, and who, in your opinion
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  should have Answer? I don't know, man, that's a tough
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  one question. But like even position wise, not the name names,
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  what position should have taken act? Answer? I'm not sure.
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  I'm not sure with that one either. Question. Okay, now
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  I'm just handing you back this lieutenant's log answer. Okay,
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  all right, we're gonna wrap up right here and in
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  the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick
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  up where we left off. All the information that goes
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