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Beloved Hairdresser And Beauty Exec Stabbed Amid Wife's Love Affair · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: I want you to start off today by just imagining
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  Speaker 1: something for a second.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I'm with you.
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  Speaker 1: So picture three very distinct masks that people wear, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to hide what's really going on underneath.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Like the faces we show the world.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. So first, picture the mask of a grieving widow.
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  Speaker 1: She's like completely inconsolable at a funeral, right? Just shattered
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  Speaker 1: by the loss of her husband. She's leaning on her
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  Speaker 1: friends just to, you know, stay on her feet.
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  Speaker 2: A very tragic, very sympathetic image.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. totally shift gears and picture the mask of a quiet,
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  Speaker 1: idyllic little small town, like the kind of place where
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  Speaker 1: everybody knows everybody.
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  Speaker 2: People leave their front doors unlocked, that kind of vibe.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, exactly. But beneath the surface of this town, there
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  Speaker 1: is this collective, just suffocating mask hiding a massive secret. Ooh.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. That's a dark one.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. And finally, the third one, I want
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  Speaker 1: you to picture the mask of a defensive driver, like
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  Speaker 1: a person standing in a courtroom claiming absolute self-defense and
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  Speaker 1: They're insisting their life was in mortal danger right after
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  Speaker 1: committing a totally senseless killing.
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  Speaker 2: Man, it's a really striking way to look at it. Because,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, a mask is ultimately just a projection, right? Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's the narrative that we desperately want the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the world to buy into. And it's usually there to
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  Speaker 2: obscure a truth that is, you know, way too ugly
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  Speaker 2: or too damning to actually look at directly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And when you start pulling at the edges of those masks,
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  Speaker 2: what you find underneath is, well, it's rarely what you expect.
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  Speaker 1: No. It never is. Which brings us to exactly what
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  Speaker 1: we're looking at today. So, welcome to today's Deep Dive.
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  Speaker 2: Glad to be here for this one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got this intensely fascinating stack of true crime
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  Speaker 1: sources to go through today. Specifically, we're drawing from transcripts
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  Speaker 1: from a broadcast of Crime Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 2: Great source material. Lots of detail in there.
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  Speaker 1: Tons of detail. But, you know, we aren't just looking
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  Speaker 1: at timelines here. Like, if you just want a list
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  Speaker 1: of dates and times, I mean, you can go Google that.
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  Speaker 2: Right. That's not what we do here.
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  Speaker 1: No. Our goal today is to really peel back these
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  Speaker 1: three specific masks and get into the deep, complex psychological
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  Speaker 1: machinery operating behind them. We are talking about calculated greed,
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  Speaker 1: group sustained silence, and split-second impulse.
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  Speaker 2: So we're really looking at three completely different blueprints of
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  Speaker 2: human destruction.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And placing these three vastly different cases back to
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  Speaker 1: back Is I think that's where the real value is
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  Speaker 1: for you listening today.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. Because usually when you look at true crime,
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  Speaker 2: you get really bogged down in a single type of
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  Speaker 2: psychology for an entire investigation. Right. You just look at
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  Speaker 2: one mind.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. One specific motive.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But by placing these three side by side, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the meticulously calculated plot, the decades long communal cover up
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  Speaker 2: and the instantaneous explosive reaction. We actually get to map
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  Speaker 2: out the entire spectrum of human culpability.
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  Speaker 1: It's fascinating. We're basically looking at the architecture of how
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  Speaker 1: a crime is built. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it takes months of planning. Sometimes it takes decades
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  Speaker 2: of hiding. And terrifyingly, sometimes it only takes a few
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  Speaker 2: seconds of rage.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's start with that first blueprint, right? The calculated betrayal.
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  Speaker 1: This is a crime that represents just the absolute ultimate
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  Speaker 1: in premeditation.
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  Speaker 2: And an incredibly intimate betrayal, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very intimate. Let's talk about the victim first, because
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  Speaker 1: I think you really have to understand what was lost here.
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  Speaker 1: His name was Fabio Cimentelli.
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  Speaker 2: And Fabio was, I mean, he was a major figure.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about a world-renowned hairstylist here.
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  Speaker 1: Right, like a top-tier executive in the beauty industry.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. He was highly successful, internationally revered. He was practically
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  Speaker 2: famous within his specific field. I mean, he was operating
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  Speaker 2: at the absolute peak of his profession.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing that stood out to me in the sources,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't just his resume. It was his nicknames. They
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  Speaker 1: called him Papa Bear.
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  Speaker 2: Papa Bear.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that really tells you so much about the guy
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  Speaker 2: right out of the gate.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. He had this reputation as this larger-than-life mentor. Like,
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  Speaker 1: the transcripts highlight how he helped literally thousands of aspiring
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  Speaker 1: stylists get their footing in an industry that is, frankly,
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  Speaker 1: notoriously cutthroat.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It's a tough business.
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  Speaker 1: It's super tough. There's this specific quote from a woman
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  Speaker 1: named Kristen Woliver, who was one of those young stylists.
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  Speaker 1: She talked about being brand new, just terrified. And he
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  Speaker 1: just welcomed her with open arms.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't just give people a passing glance. He was
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  Speaker 2: actively invested in their success.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he always had their backs.
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  Speaker 2: It really paints a picture of a man who was
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  Speaker 2: deeply generous. And not just with his money, but with
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  Speaker 2: his time and his expertise, which is, you know, often
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  Speaker 2: much harder to give.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. Time is the most valuable thing.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The phrase used by his peers to describe him
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  Speaker 2: was that he didn't just slink into a room. He
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  Speaker 2: lit up that room.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: Right. He was big, fun, full of smiles, loud, charismatic.
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  Speaker 2: He took up space in the best possible way.
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  Speaker 1: And yet the thing that was stressed over and over
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  Speaker 1: again was that despite all that professional success, all that
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  Speaker 1: travel and this massive personality, his absolute top priority was
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  Speaker 1: his family.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a deeply devoted family man. Right.
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  Speaker 1: He couldn't wait to get home to see his daughters
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  Speaker 1: and his wife, Monica. He was immensely proud of them.
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  Speaker 2: And that is what makes this so incredibly difficult to process.
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  Speaker 2: The contrast between Fabio's warm, generous, Papa Bear personality and
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  Speaker 2: the cold-blooded, clinical nature of his end, it's staggering.
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  Speaker 1: It's like someone brought a blizzard into a greenhouse. It's
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  Speaker 1: just so jarring. Because on a seemingly normal day, in
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  Speaker 1: his own upscale Southern California home, just relaxing on his patio,
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  Speaker 1: Fabio Cimentilli was ambushed.
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  Speaker 2: He was viciously stabbed to death in a highly coordinated attack.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the immediate aftermath of the scene was intentionally confusing, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like the killers went to great lengths to stage the environment.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. They ransacked the house. They threw things around
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  Speaker 2: to make it look like a chaotic robbery.
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  Speaker 1: They even attempted to wipe down the crime scene to
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  Speaker 1: eliminate forensic evidence.
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  Speaker 2: And to really sell that narrative that it was a
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  Speaker 2: home invasion gone wrong, they stole Fabio's portion and took
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  Speaker 2: off in it. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It was completely designed to look like a random violent
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  Speaker 1: encounter with a stranger.
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  Speaker 2: Which brings us back to that first mask you mentioned, right?
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  Speaker 2: The grieving widow.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Monica.
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  Speaker 2: Monica's immediate reaction fit perfectly into that narrative of a random,
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  Speaker 2: senseless tragedy. According to friends who were interviewed for the broadcast,
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  Speaker 2: she was inconsolable, just shattered.
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  Speaker 1: At the viewing, friends described her as wailing, physically crying
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  Speaker 1: out for her husband.
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  Speaker 2: She leaned heavily on her friends, appearing so weak and
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  Speaker 2: frail from the grief. That she literally needed to be
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  Speaker 2: physically held up by the people around her.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I have to pause there. Because I just, I
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  Speaker 1: think about the sheer stamina it takes to put on
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  Speaker 1: a performance like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: It is. How do you fake that level of visceral,
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  Speaker 1: physical grief when you know exactly what happened?
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  Speaker 2: She played the part flawlessly.
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  Speaker 1: And she kept it up. It wasn't just in the
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  Speaker 1: immediate aftermath when everyone was in shock. Fast forward five months.
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  Speaker 2: Five whole months.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Five months after Fabio was buried, there are still
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  Speaker 1: no arrests. The police are publicly stumped. The trail seems
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  Speaker 1: completely cold.
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  Speaker 2: And what does she do?
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  Speaker 1: Monica attends an industry event to accept a Lifetime Achievement
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  Speaker 1: Award on Fabio's behalf. And people are looking at her
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  Speaker 1: on stage. And the consensus is, wow, she is so heartbroken.
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  Speaker 1: She has lost this amazing husband. She is carrying his legacy.
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  Speaker 2: But the facade eventually cracks, as it almost always does. Always.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is, it rarely cracks because of some
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  Speaker 2: grand confession or a dramatic courtroom breakdown. It cracks because
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  Speaker 2: of a microscopic mistake.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a digital and biological breadcrumb trail.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The police had found a tiny piece of blood
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  Speaker 2: evidence at the scene that did not match Fabio.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it belonged to the killer who had apparently cut
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  Speaker 2: his finger during the frantic, violent attack. And when they
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  Speaker 2: finally got a hit on that DNA in the system...
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  Speaker 2: It matched a man named Robert Louis Baker.
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  Speaker 1: And this guy's background, I mean, it is incredibly dark. Very.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Louis Baker was a convicted sex offender. He had
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  Speaker 1: actually served time in prison for raping his underage stepdaughter.
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  Speaker 2: So immediately you have this horrific predatory element introduced into
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  Speaker 2: the story.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And the police have neighborhood surveillance footage showing Baker
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  Speaker 1: and an unknown assailant fleeing the scene in the stolen Porsche.
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  Speaker 2: But here is where the story completely fractures. Because it
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  Speaker 2: turns out Baker wasn't just some random intruder who targeted
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  Speaker 2: a wealthy house.
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  Speaker 1: No. Baker was Monica Sementilli's secret lover.
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  Speaker 2: Which completely obliterates that grieving widow narrative.
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  Speaker 1: Completely. Suddenly she's the prime suspect.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And the motive, I mean, it's the oldest, most cliche
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  Speaker 1: motive in the book, a $ 1. 6 million life insurance policy.
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  Speaker 2: It always seems to come down to money, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 1: It really does. But I don't want to get hung
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  Speaker 1: up on the money. Because it's the literal mechanics of
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  Speaker 1: how they pulled this off.
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  Speaker 2: Which is outlined in a nine-page grand jury indictment. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that indictment really exposes the sheer depravity
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  Speaker 1: of this mask.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the indictment is a shocking document. It outlines a
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  Speaker 2: level of calculated, cold-blooded planning that goes far beyond, like
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  Speaker 2: a simple crime of passion or even a standard murder
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  Speaker 2: for hire.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a micromanaged assassination plot.
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  Speaker 2: The indictment alleges that Monica actually hired professionals to connect
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  Speaker 2: her personal cell phone to her home's surveillance system. She
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  Speaker 2: wanted to monitor her husband's location in real time.
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  Speaker 1: Think about the violation there. She weaponized her own home
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  Speaker 1: security against him.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: The cameras that are supposed to keep him safe are
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  Speaker 1: being used to track him like prey.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. And then, according to the indictment, she forwarded an
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  Speaker 2: email containing the security password directly to Baker.
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  Speaker 1: So Baker has a literal map and a live feed
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  Speaker 1: of the house. He knows exactly where the blind spots are,
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  Speaker 1: exactly where Fabio is sitting.
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  Speaker 2: But it gets worse.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. Because the indictment states that on the
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  Speaker 1: day of the murder, Monica deliberately cleared her children. out
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  Speaker 1: of the house. She manufactured a reason for them to
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  Speaker 1: be gone so there would be no witnesses. Right. And
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  Speaker 1: to establish her own ironclad alibi, she went shopping. She
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  Speaker 1: was literally at Target, swiping a credit card, creating a
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  Speaker 1: paper trail of receipts, while her husband was being butchered
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  Speaker 1: on their patio.
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  Speaker 2: And the detail that truly defies comprehension, the thing that
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  Speaker 2: makes this case so uniquely horrifying, is the alleged use
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  Speaker 2: of technology during the act itself. The indictment states that
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  Speaker 2: Monica and Baker live-streamed the home security cameras from their
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  Speaker 2: cell phones and simultaneously FaceTimed each other while Fabio was
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  Speaker 2: being murdered.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, I need to stop you there. Because I can
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  Speaker 1: almost wrap my head around the cold calculus of insurance fraud, right?
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  Speaker 2: Sure people do terrible things for money.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. But they FaceTimed. They used the same technology that, like,
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  Speaker 1: we use to check in on our parents or say
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  Speaker 1: goodnight to our kids when we're out of town to
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  Speaker 1: coordinate and watch the murder of her husband.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's completely morbid.
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  Speaker 1: I am struggling with that. What is the psychology of
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  Speaker 1: needing to watch it happen while you're standing in a
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  Speaker 1: retail store?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it speaks to a profound need for control. When
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  Speaker 2: you look at the mechanics of extreme premeditation, the perpetrator
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  Speaker 2: often struggles with intense anxiety about the plan failing.
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  Speaker 1: Ah.
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  Speaker 2: So by live streaming it, she isn't just a passive
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  Speaker 2: beneficiary of the crime. She is an active director. She
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  Speaker 2: is maintaining absolute control over the environment and the execution
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  Speaker 2: of the act, even from miles away.
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  Speaker 1: That is just wow.
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  Speaker 2: It bridges the gap between the physical distance she needed
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  Speaker 2: for her alibi and the psychological need she had to
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  Speaker 2: ensure the act was completed exactly to her specifications.
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  Speaker 1: That level of detachment is chilling. It's like she's playing
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  Speaker 1: a single player video game where everyone else is just
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  Speaker 1: Like a non-playable character.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good analogy.
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  Speaker 1: But the final detail of this plot is the one
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  Speaker 1: that I simply cannot accept as just a need for control.
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  Speaker 1: Because she cleared the house of the kids, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But then she allegedly waited. She waited until her youngest
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  Speaker 1: daughter came home, specifically so that the daughter would be
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  Speaker 1: the one to discover her father's dead body.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's horrific.
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  Speaker 1: How does a mother put her own child in that position?
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  Speaker 1: To walk into a bloodbath and find their murdered father?
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  Speaker 1: Just to protect her own alibi? I don't buy that
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  Speaker 1: it's just control. There has to be a complete detachment
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  Speaker 1: from reality happening there.
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  Speaker 2: It is a question that really requires us to step
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  Speaker 2: completely outside of normal human empathy to answer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can't fathom it.
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  Speaker 2: In the source material, Dr. Drew Pinsky provides a clinical
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  Speaker 2: analysis of this exact behavior. He explains that when we
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  Speaker 2: see actions that are this inexplicable, it usually boils down
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  Speaker 2: to two things.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what are they?
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  Speaker 2: Either the person is in a severely altered state due
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  Speaker 2: to drug or alcohol abuse.
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  Speaker 1: Which wasn't the case here.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Or we are looking at extreme psychopathy and narcissism.
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  Speaker 2: In Monica's case, he points firmly toward the extreme end
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  Speaker 2: of the narcissistic spectrum.
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  Speaker 1: So break that down for me. What does that actually
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  Speaker 1: mean for the architecture of her brain? Because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we throw the word narcissist around a lot when someone
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  Speaker 1: takes too many selfies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, true.
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  Speaker 1: But this is something entirely different.
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  Speaker 2: It is entirely different. Dr. Drew makes a very poignant
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  Speaker 2: observation about clinical extreme narcissism. He says that people on
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  Speaker 2: this end of the spectrum literally do not appreciate the
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  Speaker 2: existence of others in the way that you or I
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  Speaker 2: understand it.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning what exactly?
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  Speaker 2: Meaning that other people, even their own flesh and blood,
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  Speaker 2: are not fully realized human beings to them. They don't
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  Speaker 2: have their own inner lives, their own pain or their
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  Speaker 2: own trauma.
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  Speaker 1: So what are they?
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  Speaker 2: They are merely props in the narcissist's play. They are
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  Speaker 2: instruments to be used to achieve a goal.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. So the daughter isn't a child who
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  Speaker 1: is going to be traumatized for life. She's just a
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  Speaker 1: mechanism to trigger the police response without Monica having to
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  Speaker 1: do it.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. So when we ask, how could she violate the
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  Speaker 2: most basic instinct of motherhood? The clinical answer is that
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  Speaker 2: her brain doesn't possess that instinct in the way we
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  Speaker 2: define it.
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  Speaker 1: That's horrifying. It is.
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  Speaker 2: And to use our normal empathetic brains to try to
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  Speaker 2: make psychological sense of this inexplicable behavior is a futile effort.
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  Speaker 2: It just doesn't apply. She lacked the fundamental architecture of empathy.
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  Speaker 1: So the daughter's lifelong trauma was simply an acceptable collateral
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  Speaker 1: cost for a payout and an alibi.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It's the ultimate betrayal, utilizing modern technology to micromanage a
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  Speaker 1: murder and all while projecting the ultimate mask of grief.
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  Speaker 2: And this actually provides a really fascinating contrast to the
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  Speaker 2: next case in our stack.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. Because Monica's isolation of her victim relied
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  Speaker 1: on complete high-tech control over the environment. Right. But what
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  Speaker 1: happens when the environment itself is the threat? When the
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  Speaker 1: control isn't held by one mastermind, but distributed across an
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  Speaker 1: entire community?
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  Speaker 2: A completely different dynamic.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. We're moving from Southern California to a completely
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  Speaker 1: different world. We're looking at a low-tech, small-town murder from
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  Speaker 1: 1983 that remained a secret for 35 years.
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  Speaker 2: 35 years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it didn't stay a secret because of some
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  Speaker 1: mastermind genius. It stayed a secret through a group's mutually
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  Speaker 1: assured destruction, a conspiracy of silence.
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  Speaker 2: This takes us to Vicksburg, Michigan. And to understand the
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  Speaker 2: mechanics of this case, you really have to understand the
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  Speaker 2: sociology of the setting.
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  Speaker 1: Right. The town itself is a character.
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  Speaker 2: Very much so. Vicksburg in 1983 was a quiet agricultural village.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about a population of maybe 3,000 people.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Tiny.
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  Speaker 2: Very small. It's described as having great school systems, good people,
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  Speaker 2: a community where families fished on the weekends, celebrated the
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  Speaker 2: holidays together, and just enjoyed the simple, insulated pleasures of
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  Speaker 2: country life.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds idyllic.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: It was considered a deeply safe place to raise a family.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Everyone knew everyone's business. which usually acts as a deterrent
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: to major crime.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: And that is exactly the environment the Cross family was
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: living in. They had a 16-year-old son named Eric Cross.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: And Eric was a good-natured, outgoing kid. He loved the outdoors,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: loved exploring.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: He was a great big brother to his younger sister Jackie, too.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: They were incredibly close. It was just the two of them.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: But, you know, as happens with a lot of 16-year-olds,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: his interests were starting to shift.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Naturally. He was starting to hang out with buddies, chase girls,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: go to parties. And the transcripts note that his father
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: had recently become concerned. He noticed that Eric had started
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: hanging out with what he called a bad crowd in
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: the couple of months before he died.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Which brings us to the night of the murder. The
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: timeline here is critical to understanding how the town's geography
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: played into the crime.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, set the scene for us.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: It centers around a teenage drinking party at a local
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: lake house. The entry fee was $ 2. 00. And it was
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: a keg party with rampant underage drinking.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: This is the classic unstructured teenage environment.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Eric's parents had no idea he was there. He
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: had spent time fixing his hair in the mirror before
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: he left. His sister Jackie vividly remembers the song The
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Look of Love playing on the radio as he got ready.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: And then he headed out.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: And he drank heavily at this party. Please know that
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: by the time Eric left the party around 1.00 a.m.,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: He was highly intoxicated.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: He was seen stumbling down the road, heading toward his home,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: which was less than a mile away.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: So picture this for a second. He's on foot in
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: the pitch dark in this rural area where there aren't
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: streetlights every 20 feet.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: It's very isolated. At 1.30 a.m., a witness places Eric
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: walking past a local gas station and general store, which
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: is only a few hundred yards from his home. He's
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: almost there.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: So close.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Crucially, this same witness notices two cars parked at that
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: gas station. One yellow and one dark colored.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, keep those cars in mind. Because then the timeline
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: shifts to the Cross household. Sometime in the early morning hours,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Eric's father hears the front door rattle.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: But it was locked, right?
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was locked. So he assumes it's Eric letting
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: himself in, maybe struggling with his keys. But it seems
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Eric never actually made it inside.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: And the house goes quiet again.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Fast forward a few hours to 5 a.m. The parents
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: hear a car. with a very loud muffler pulling into
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: and turning around in their driveway.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: And then comes the discovery. At 5.30 a.m., Mr. Cross
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: goes outside to get the morning newspaper. The very first
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: thing he sees is his son's shoe sitting in the
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: middle of the road.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And then he finds his son's body lying on the
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: side of the road right outside their home.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: The father's reaction is described as utterly torn apart. A
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: man who had rarely been seen crying was suddenly faced
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: with the unimaginable. He runs inside in shock, gets a blanket,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: wakes his wife, and calls a neighbor who has medical
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: training to try CPR.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: But it's completely useless. As Eric's sister Jackie recalled, she
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: walked out, saw her mother's face, and instantly knew her
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: brother was dead.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: It's devastating.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Now, initially, looking at a body on the side of
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: a dark road in a rural area, the police thought
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: it was a tragic hit and run.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: That is the standard assumption in a rural pedestrian fatality.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: A drunk kid walking in the dark, a driver not
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: paying attention. It's a tragedy, but a common one. However,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: the physical evidence told a vastly different, much more sinister story.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: One of the first responding officers, who later became a
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: detective sergeant, started walking the scene and noted that the
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: trace evidence wasn't localized to a single point of impact.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where it gets really dark.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: There was plastic from a car, a shoe... Fabric from
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: blue jeans and a shirt, blood, and body tissue strewn
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: for more than 600 feet down the road.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: 600 feet. Let's really visualize that. That is two full
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: football fields of evidence.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: It's massive.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: You don't get that from a simple impact where someone
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: gets knocked into a ditch. And the autopsy confirmed the
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: absolute brutality of what happened. This wasn't a sudden blunt
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: force trauma from a bumper. No. Eric had contusions, deep abrasions,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and leg fractures.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: He had a massive gait. laceration in the middle of
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: his lower back. But the most damning detail, the thing
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: that definitively ruled out a simple accident, was the presence
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: of rope burns and visible twists or striae on his skin.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: The rope burns completely changed the trajectory of the investigation.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: In 1983, there was a dangerous trend among teenagers called
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: hood surfing.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, right, where kids would hold onto the hood of
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: a moving car for a thrill ride.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The police briefly considered if Eric had participated in this,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: gotten drunk, and fallen off. But the physical evidence, the
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: specific patterns of the rope burns, the sheer distance of
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the dragging over hundreds of yards, debunked that theory entirely.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Right, you don't get tied up with a rope if
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you're just hood surfing. The police determined this was a
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: deliberate malicious act. It was murder.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: So what was their working theory?
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Their working theory was that Eric made it to his
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: front yard, was confronted by a group of teens in
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: one of those cars parked at the gas station, likely
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: the dark colored one, and he was grabbed.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Just snatched from his own yard. Yeah.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: He was tied up, dragged behind the car by a
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: rope for hundreds of yards, run over to perhaps simulate
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a hit and run, and then dumped right back in
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: front of his own house.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Now, imagine a town of 3,000 people trying to process
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: a crime of that magnitude and viciousness.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: It would break the town.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: It did. A hit and run is an accident. Tying
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: a kid to a bumper is an atrocity. The rumor
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: mill didn't just start, it exploded.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I bet.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: The town descended into paranoia. When the police don't immediately
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: have answers, a closed community fills the void with whispers.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Some of the rumors were completely wild and baseless, like
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: a rumor that Eric was actually shot in a dentist's
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: office and then moved.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Where did they even come up with that?
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: People panic. The police wasted countless hours chasing down these
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: phantom leads, tracking the whispers back to their sources, which
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: only further muddied the waters.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: But amidst all that noise, the police did zero in
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: on a core group of teenagers, people who were at
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that keg party. And the prime suspect was a young
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: man named Brent Spaulding.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Brent Spaulding was the reputed town bully. He wasn't just
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: a tough kid. He had a temperament that witnesses described
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: as highly threatening. He simply made people nervous.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like if he made a threat, people believed he
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: would follow through.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Exactly. He even went by the nickname Lucifer.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Which is quite the persona to adopt in a small
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: farming community. Like you don't call yourself Lucifer unless you
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: want people to fear you.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: You're trying to send a message.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And there were specific incidents that night tying him
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: directly to Eric. Witnesses reporting that Brent got physical and
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: pushed Eric at the drinking party.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And furthermore, after the murder, Brent's behavior became incredibly erratic.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: He was eventually sent to a mental institution.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But the police strongly suspected this wasn't a genuine
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: psychiatric break. They believed it was a calculated ruse.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: To what end?
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It's a known tactic. They thought he was pretending to
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: be crazy to lay the groundwork for a mental incompetency defense,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: knowing the law would eventually catch up with him.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: It shows a level of calculation that contradicts the idea
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: of a simple prank gone wrong.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: And we also have to look at Brent's girlfriend at
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the time, Amber Thomas. She is a major person of
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: interest in this dynamic.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Right. She was at the party, too.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: She was. And, crucially, she was reportedly engaging in some
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: flirtation with Eric Cross. You think about the volatile ecosystem
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of teenage social dynamics. That flirtation could easily have been
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the flashpoint.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: It provides a highly plausible motive. Jealousy. A bully like
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Spalding sees his girlfriend flirting with someone else, and his
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: ego demands a violent correction.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: And there's an auditory witness that ties into this, too.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Remember the neighbor who heard the car with the loud
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: muffler pulling into the cross's driveway just before the body
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: was found?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Right, around 5.00 a.m.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. As the car passed his house, he heard multiple
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: people inside. And he specifically heard a high-pitched, possibly female
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: voice yell, oh my God, he's seen us. Police believe
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: that voice could have been Amber's.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: So the police have the suspects. They have a motive.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: They have circumstantial evidence and witness statements putting this specific
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: group in the crosshairs. But they run into a brick wall.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: A wall of silence. Exactly. Exactly.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: This core group of teenagers lawyered up or simply clammed up.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: They engaged in a coordinated conspiracy of silence. And they
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: maintained that silence for 35 years.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Which brings up the collateral damage of a secret like this.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Because it doesn't just affect the victim's family, it literally
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: poisons the whole town. Yeah. We have to talk about
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Eric's best friend, a guy named Bill Cook.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this part is just tragic.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: It really is. Bill went to the party with Eric.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: But at some point, Eric was sitting in a lawn
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: chair and Bill said, hey, I'm going swimming with a girl.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: When Bill came back, Eric was gone. He was already
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: walking home toward his death.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: And the tragedy for Bill Cook is compounded by where
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: he slept that night. Because he was dating a girl
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: named Mae Britt, who just happened to be Brent Spaulding's sister,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Bill went to sleep at the Spaulding house.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Think about the absolute tragedy of that. He's carrying a
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: 35-year burden of guilt just because he went to talk
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to a girl for a few minutes instead of walking
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: his friend home.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: And because of where he fell asleep, the town completely
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: ostracized him. He lost his friend's He lived under this
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: dark cloud of suspicion for decades, hated by the town
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: simply through proximity.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: It really highlights how a small town deals with unresolved trauma.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: They need somewhere to put their anger. The actual perpetrators
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: are shielded by silence, so the community's frustration needs an outlet.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And Bill Cook became that outlet.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly. He became a convenient receptacle for it. It's a
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: sociological phenomenon where the group expels an innocent member simply
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: because they are adjacent to the trauma. It allows the
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: town to feel like they're doing something to address the evil.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: That is a devastating social dynamic. But eventually, that conspiracy
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: of silence began to crack, and ironically, it was modern
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: technology that provided the wedge.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Which is fascinating.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: It is. For years, the rumors about Eric's death were
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: whispered in shadows, passed quietly from person to person at
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the grocery store or the diner. But then, Eric's sister
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Jackie created a Facebook page dedicated to her brother.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: It started as a memorial. A place to share photos.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: But it quickly transformed into a centralized digital clearinghouse for
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: the town's collective memory.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, suddenly all those disparate whispers had a public, easily
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: accessible forum. People could share their stories anonymously, drop hints,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: compare timelines.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And this digital momentum eventually culminated in a physical event.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: A candlelight vigil for what would have been Eric's 49th birthday.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: That vigil drew significant media attention. And that media spotlight
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: finally shook something loose. It generated a massive tip. a
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: phone call the police had been waiting 35 years for.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Do we know what the tip was?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: While the police kept the exact details of the tip confidential,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: they stated it put the whole case into perspective. It
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: perfectly aligned with information they had kept quiet and solidified
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: everything they suspected. The crystal ball finally became clear.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: It broke the case wide open. The police finally requested
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: warrants for five individuals, which speaks to the sheer size
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: of this cover-up.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Five people.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Five people knew exactly what happened. Among those five are
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Brent Spaulding, who, by the way, at the time of
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the broadcast, was out on bond for completely separate charges
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: of aggravated stalking and drug possession, showing a continued pattern
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: of criminal behavior, and Amber Thomas, who was now married
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: with a family of her own.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Let's dig into the mechanics of that silence, because I
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: can understand a teenager being terrified into keeping their mouth
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: shut for a week, maybe a month. But how do
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: teens hold a secret of this magnitude for decades?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: It's heavy burden.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: How do you wake up every day, get a job,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: get married, have kids, knowing you helped drag a boy
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to his death?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: It requires a profound psychological compartmentalization, and it usually operates
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: in phases. In the beginning, it's driven by a powerful
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: initial catalyst, likely sheer terror and the domineering influence of
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: someone like Spalding.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Right. They were probably terrified of him.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. The group bonds over the shared trauma of
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: the event and the acute fear of incarceration. It's a
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: form of mutually assured destruction. If one goes down, they
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: all go down.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Right. They are handcuffed to each other by the secret.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Precisely. But as the years pass, the psychology shifts. It's
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: no longer just about juvenile fear. The secret becomes a
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: foundational piece of their adult identities.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: To confess at age 20 is to lose your youth.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: To confess at age 50 isn't just to admit to
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: a crime. It's to destroy the entirely new lives, the families,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the careers, and the reputations they've built over 35 years.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: It's self-preservation.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: The brain becomes incredibly adept at suppressing the memory, or
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: at least rewriting their own role in it to make
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: it palatable. They convince themselves they were just bystanders, that
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: they couldn't stop it. The psychological weight of that, both
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: for the perpetrators maintaining the lie and for an entire
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: town knowing the truth but lacking the puzzle pieces to
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: prove it, is immense. The town was essentially held hostage
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: by this silence.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: It's a completely different kind of mass than Monica Sementilli's.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Monica's was a solo performance, meticulously planned over months. Vicksburg's
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: was a group effort born in the chaotic aftermath of
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: a horrific night, sustained by fear, stubbornness, and eventually self-preservation.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Which leads us perfectly into our final case.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It really does.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Because we've looked at the extremes of time, right? We've
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: seen a murder that was meticulously plotted for months, And
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: one that was covered up for 35 years.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Now we're going to look at our third blueprint, a
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: tragedy that escalated from absolute zero to fatal in a
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: matter of seconds. We are talking about the complete collapse
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: of logic.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: This brings us to the concept of the senseless spark.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the spontaneous combustion of human emotion. And the victim in
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: this case is a man named Kyle Brayer.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: If you look at the footage of Kyle, you can
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: see this raw passion when he talks about his life's work.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Kyle Bray's life was practically defined by service to others.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: He was a highly dedicated guy.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: He really was. He was a veteran firefighter, a former Marine.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: He was this young, handsome entrepreneur. And he used his
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: skills and his drive to spearhead a program in Tempe, Arizona,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to provide in-house medical care to high-risk veterans.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: That's incredible work.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: It is. His entire life was built around stepping into
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: danger to save others, to de-escalate bad situations, and to
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: provide care.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: And the incident that ended his life is the starkest
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: contrast imaginable to the way he lived it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Total opposite.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: It was 2.30 a.m. on a Saturday near a shopping
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: mall in Tempe. Kyle and a group of friends had
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: been out bowling. They were having a completely carefree time
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: riding around the parking lot in a golf cart.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: One of his friends, Lindsay, described it as a joyous night.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Kyle was spinning the cart around. Everyone was laughing. It
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: was the epitome of harmless fun.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Just a totally innocent happy night out. But then they
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: encounter a 21-year-old named Hezron Parks. Parks had been out
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: bar hopping and he was driving a red Scion coupe.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, maybe he felt they were in
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: his way. Maybe he was just looking for a fight.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Parks starts aggressively tailgating and repeatedly bumping the back of
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: their golf cart with his car.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: It is the textbook definition of road rage escalation, but
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: with a massive power imbalance. The situation is terrifying for
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: the people in the open-air golf cart.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, I bet.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Lindsay reported that they were literally putting their feet out,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: trying to physically stop the car from hitting them. Think
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  Speaker 2: about the sheer panic of a two-ton vehicle being used
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  Speaker 2: as a battering ram against a small, unprotected cart.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: So Kyle, being the protector he is, steps out of
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the golf cart. The witness testimony here is absolutely crucial.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Right, because of what he does next.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Kyle did not jump out screaming or acting aggressively.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: He didn't charge the car. He stepped out to calmly
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: ask Parks to just stop. He wanted to do what
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: he had trained his whole life to do. De-escalate.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: But as he walks toward the car, a witness notices
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Kyle suddenly throw his hands up in a defensive posture.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: He realized Parks was holding a gun.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Before any words could even be exchanged, before any rational
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: dialogue could happen, Parks points the gun and shoots Kyle
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  Speaker 1: Brayer in the head.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: It's just so fast.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: He then immediately speeds off in the red Scion, driving
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: so recklessly in his frantic escape that he hits multiple
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: other parked cars in the lot.
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  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate senseless act. A life of service
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: extinguished in an instant because of a bumped golf cart.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Parks did end up turning himself in shortly after. Once
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: he sobered up and saw his car and the story
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: on the local news, he was charged with second-degree murder.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: But what we really have to look at, the thing
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: that I find absolutely fascinating in a morbid way, is
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the suspect's cognitive dissonance when he tried to explain his
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: actions to the police. Yes.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: This is where the psychological facade, that mask of the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: defensive driver, completely crumbles under its own logic.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly. In his defense to the police, Parks claimed two
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: wildly contradictory things.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, what were they?
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: First, he claimed he felt threatened by Kyle stepping out
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: of the cart. and therefore felt legally and morally justified
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: in reaching into his center console to grab his unholstered
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: handgun to defend himself.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Right. But then, in the very same breath, he claims
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: that he didn't know there was a round in the gun.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Think about the mental gymnastics there. You can't claim self-defense
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: with a weapon you allegedly thought was unloaded.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: It makes no sense.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: If you think it's unloaded, it's not a lethal defense tool.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: It's a prop for a bluff. And if you were
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: pulling it to bluff... You aren't in imminent mortal fear
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: for your life. The two narratives cancel each other out entirely.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: It is a classic, tragic example of impulsive, rage-fueled violence
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and the brain's desperate attempt to rationalize it after the fact.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: So what's happening in his brain there?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Let's look at the neurology of what happens in that
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: split second. During an acute road rage incident, the amygdala,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the primitive reactive part of the brain that handles the
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: fight-or-flight response, is flooded.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, so he's running on pure instinct.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It effectively hijacks the brain, temporarily shutting down the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for logical thought, consequence evaluation,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: and moral restraint.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: So in that moment, he isn't thinking, if I pull
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: this trigger, I go to jail and a man dies.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: He's just a raw nerve of aggression.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Right. He acted purely on aggressive impulse. And then in
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: the aftermath, when the adrenaline subsides and the higher functioning
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: parts of his brain come back online... he realizes the
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: catastrophic magnitude of what he's done.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: The reality sets in.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yes. His ego goes into overdrive trying to retroactively justify
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: an unjustifiable action. The brain literally invents a narrative, I
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: was threatened, I didn't know it was loaded, to protect
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: itself from the reality of its own monstrous impulse.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: It cannot accept that it killed a man over a
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: bumped golf cart, so it creates fiction where it was
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: a victim of circumstance.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Think about the last time you were cut off in traffic.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: You feel that sudden irrational spike of heat in your chest, right?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: You might yell or honk your horn.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: We've all been there.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Now imagine lacking the prefrontal cortex filter to stop yourself
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: from acting on that spike with lethal force. It really
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: forces you to consider just how fragile life is, especially
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: in the face of modern road rage.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: It's terrifying.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: One minute you are out bowling, laughing with friends on
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a weekend, and the next... A complete stranger's inability to
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: control their ego, their need to dominate a minor traffic interaction,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: cost the hero his life. It is terrifyingly random.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate unpredictability. You can prepare for a
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: calculated threat. You can eventually uncover a group secret. But
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: you cannot predict the exact moment a stranger's mind is
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: going to snap.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's pull all of this together because we've covered
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: a massive amount of ground today. We started this deep
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: dive by talking about three masks.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Three very different types of deception.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: We explored Monica Simantilli's incredibly calculated theater of grief, a
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: mask built on months of technological planning, live streaming, and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: profound psychological detachment from her own family.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: A truly chilling case of narcissism.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: We looked at the Vicksburg teenagers who built an impenetrable
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: communal wall of silence that held an entire town hostage
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: for 35 years, trading their youth for a lifetime of
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: suppressed guilt.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: The mutually assured destruction.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: And we just looked at Hezron Park's flimsy, contradictory facade
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: of self-defense thrown up in a desperate attempt to excuse
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: a split-second act of fatal rage.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: And the unifying thread here, the truly sobering takeaway when
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: you look at these three blueprints, is that regardless of
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the method, whether the crime requires months of meticulous planning,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: decades of stubborn hiding, or just a few seconds of
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: uncontrollable impulse, the destruction left behind is equally devastating.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the end result is the same.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: A family is shattered. A community is poisoned. A life
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: is gone. The psychological mechanics change. The Macs look different.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: But the void left behind is exactly the same.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Which leaves me with one final thought. I want you
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: to mull over as you go about your day. Think
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: about the devices we use every single day. The phones
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: in our pockets.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: They're everywhere.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: In the very first case we talked about, a smartphone
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: was literally weaponized. It was used as a tool for
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: calculated murder, for live streaming a horror show, and for
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: building a digital alibi.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: But in the second case, it was a social media platform,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: a Facebook page accessed on a smartphone that acted as
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: the ultimate key to unlocking a 35-year-old cold case and
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: bringing a town some semblance of justice.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: That's a huge contrast.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: It makes you wonder, is technology inherently changing the way
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: we commit and solve crimes? Or is it just acting
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: as a mirror, reflecting our oldest, darkest instincts and our
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: deepest desires for justice right back at us?
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: That's a lot to think about.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on this deep dive.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Keep questioning the world around you. Keep pulling at the
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: edges of those masks, and we will catch you next time.