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Bewitched - Breaking the Spell After Spiritual Mentoring Goes Wrong - Baljit's Story · Reclaiming Consciousness

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome to Reclaiming Consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm Elise Bassine, trauma and breathwork expert, and creator of the Metamorphosis Method, the only methodology bridging the gap between spiritual healing and clinical trauma work.
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  SPEAKER_04: For many years, our consciousness has been hijacked by societal and cultural programming, religion, the medium, and familial and ancestral trauma.
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  SPEAKER_04: In this podcast, you'll discover my unique perspective on trauma healing and how it is the gateway to fully reclaiming your consciousness.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_04: You'll hear stories and teachings that expand your mind as you discover how every relationship challenge, business block, or limiting pattern is an invitation to reclaim the parts of your consciousness you unknowingly gave away.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_04: Get ready to go deep.
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  SPEAKER_04: Now let's dive in.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_04: Hi everyone.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome back.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_04: This is our final interview for the Bewitch series.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_04: And I was so happy.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, the last few women that we interviewed, Brenda, Elizabeth, and Balgit, we weren't expecting them to want to come forward and we weren't expecting to interview them in the beginning.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_04: And then we were really happy when they when they said they wanted to be interviewed, especially because we didn't want to necessarily make anyone feel like they had to.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_04: But then after they listened to the beginning of the series, they really wanted to, which was really cool.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_04: And Balgit is one of the really important pieces of the puzzle, in my opinion, because she was in Betty's world for a very long time.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_04: And, you know, had somewhat of a friendship with her and was in her world for the longest than anyone you've heard from on the podcast.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_04: So she has a very unique lens and she played many roles in her world, including being in charge of the Akashic Records trainings and various other things.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_04: So her lens is very unique.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_04: And I think she's the perfect person for the final episode.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_04: And then next week, we're gonna have an episode with Robin and I to just kind of tie everything in a bow and close the book on this and talk about what's next.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_04: We just recorded this episode yesterday, so it's fresh in my mind.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_04: But in that episode, I share the 11 patterns of manipulation that I tracked across every single story.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_04: And I talk about what this looks like on a broader scale, not just within the context of this with Betty, but with anybody that I think we've all been in relationships with people who had narcissistic tendencies, who were verbally or emotionally abusive or worse.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_04: So this is a really great set of guidelines as far as what constitutes these types of patterns and why they happen.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_04: And that's what we're going to talk about on the episode next week.
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  SPEAKER_04: Also, Robin will get into some personality profiling stuff around narcissists, psychopathy, and different personality profiles.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_04: That's her specialty.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_04: I can't remember the names of all of them, but it was a really great episode and it kind of ties everything in a bow.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_04: And then we also talk about where we go from here as we close the book on this.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_04: So stay tuned for that next week.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_04: And I know you're gonna love this episode with Balgit.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_04: Also, as far as me, I have the next round of the Metamorphosis starting at the end of May.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_04: And if you sign up before May 1st or by the end of the day on May 1st, you get$500 off.
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• 3:58
  SPEAKER_04: But I highly recommend if you have not done the program yet, to jump in to this round.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_04: It's now going to be a three-month program.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's been two months for the last year and a half, but I decided to extend it to three months to really give you that deeper time to create the results and to integrate the work and get the support.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_04: You have access to the course material for life.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_04: And it's a very unique program in the sense that people who signed up five years ago still log in regularly and use the tools because it's that powerful and not only powerful, but the tools are relevant to any stage of your life and they will create results at any stage of your life.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_04: So it's really unique and infinite, I guess you'll say.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_04: So please reach out to me with questions about that.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_04: We will link it below.
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  SPEAKER_04: And without further ado, enjoy the episode.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is Bewitched, Breaking the Spell After Spiritual Mentoring Goes Wrong.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_02: Elise and I are here today to welcome a dear, dear friend of ours, Belgit, to share your story.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_02: And when I think about Belgit, oh my goodness, there's so many things to say.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: And but the thing I will just recognize for the sake of this podcast and for our listeners is that Belgit has a very, very long history in knowing Betty, in working with and alongside her, and has this very, very unique and important perspective as we continue to ask the question, what happened?
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: First of all, I want to thank Belgit for coming on because this is a true act of courage and bravery on your part, I believe.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_02: I think that telling the truth and shedding light on this important issue is something that we're all committed to.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_02: And for you to step forward as our 11th storyteller, as our 11th woman who's had experience with Betty is in some ways to me the pinnacle and definitely an important sort of the crux of the conversation.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_02: So thank you for joining us with all my heart.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much for having me.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_03: I'm so honored to be here.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I just want to thank you both for really bringing this forward and like opening up this conversation that is so important.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_03: Without this, I cannot tell you, like, I've had so many women who have come forward just directly via email and messaged me or booked appointments and came forward just because of this particular podcast coming out and revealing all this.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_03: So I just want to thank you both and thank you so much for having me.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_04: We're so happy you're here.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_04: And I just have to say, I don't know if you guys caught this, but when Robin said that you were the 11th person, and the final one, by the way, the 11th on the recording, it was 111.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_04: The time was 111.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_04: So that is interesting.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_04: There we have it.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_04: So we really just want you to be able to tell your story.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_04: So why don't you just start at the beginning of when you met Betty and then we can just go from there?
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I took notes because I was like, there's so much.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: So I met Betty back in 2006, and Betty's been a massive part of my my life, my awakening process, and learning so much.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: I met her at a numerology class, and she was teaching numerology.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_03: And then from there, I became a Reiki master by her, and I was actually her very first student in the Akashic Records.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_03: So I was the one that bothered her about teaching the Akashic Records and thought it was just really important to come forward because I was like, how do you know all this?
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_03: And where did you learn all this?
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_03: This was very different from receiving a psychic reading or any other modalities that I experienced.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_03: So through the years, like the first few years of getting to know her, I was trained just heavily of like really understanding cult-like programmings and very deep-seated programmings around implants, entities.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I was aware that she had taken other methods to explore that.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_03: But I never really asked her how and where she learned all the stuff around cult-like dynamics.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_03: I just thought it was just through her background, knowing her history from what I understand.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_03: But now I don't know if that's even true.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: That was like my foundation.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_03: And I learned everything about energy management through this method, through Betty.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I would say about 2008 or nine, I moved from Toronto to Vancouver, BC.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_03: And um, she came to visit a few times, and there were some interactions where it was like just a slight bit of narcissism.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't like full out obvious, it was just very well hidden.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: And she did apologize, and but I noticed how, and this is like I would say recent, the last couple of years, that I really understood that my trauma response was fawning.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't even realize fawning was a trauma response.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_03: I just thought I was being a people pleaser, but I in a way I was really protecting myself.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_03: And when I look back at it, I think, oh my God, I must have had some level Stockholm syndrome as well.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_03: There was so much change in my life in so many positive ways.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like I left the architectural industry, started my own holistic business.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_03: She introduced me to so many people as well, who are still friends and colleagues till this day.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_03: So there was just like minor things that I noticed, but I still mentored with her one-on-one.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_03: And she went fully into doing conscious coaching business in 2009 and 10, because that's when coaching really started to get big.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: So, of course, your energy shifts when you hire a coach and you're learning how to run a business.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_03: So I was all in.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, teach me how to do this, I need to learn this, etc.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_03: There was another time where she visited me in Vancouver.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_03: She was teaching a class, and I believe it was around 2014, like 13, 14.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I just remember like her staying at my place and me feeling like really repressed, and like I couldn't describe what it was.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: I just felt like this heavy uh weight on me.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I felt again, I was like fawning, like I really developed this ability to not push the button because I did see her react when someone crossed the line with her.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_03: And so I thought, okay, I just won't go there.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I still stayed in it because I was like, Let's training and and everything is like amazing.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_03: I was just like, well, it must be the other people.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like I didn't even think about those little red flags that were happening.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I would say about 2018, which I thought was very interesting that Alicia was sharing that she was guided to step away becoming the directors of learning.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_03: I was being guided to stop teaching Akashic Records because I was also teaching it.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I also stopped doing one-on-one mentorship with Betty because I was just like an intuition, like an instinct.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_03: And then somehow I got hooked back in not to do one-on-one coaching, but more so to be a part of the Akashic Record training.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_03: And I was asked to become the directors of learning, and I was like, I might as well, just not thinking how I kept getting hooked back into different programs, different things, and getting those telepathic messages and all of a sudden signing up for programs.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: And funny enough, like my business, it has been doing well, has been going well, but not to the point where there was this commitment about, oh, you're gonna make X amount of dollars monthly.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_03: That stuff never actually really happened.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: So by 2019, I feel like energetically things were already like amplifying and it was really getting weird.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I was getting this like intuitive hit to still pull away from teaching and training the trainers.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_03: And somehow I still isn't it?
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_03: Then the pandemic happened, and I believe that's where we met because we were all in the mastermind together, which I'm so grateful of.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: But now that I track back to where, to me, I would say it was like psychosis, like where the symptoms actually began was 2019.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_03: From where I have spoken with clients, is that's when they started to see the shift, like a light switch where all of a sudden they're mentoring with her, and then all of a sudden she would just switch.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_04: I want to look at the difference between, like when you said in the beginning you saw these hints of narcissism or you felt like that heaviness with her early on.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_04: To you, what would be the difference between that and like this other kind of shift you're talking about in 2019?
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_04: Like, do you feel like the beginning was maybe just like a smaller version of that, or what is the difference?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: I would say the beginning was a smaller version of that.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_03: That's the only way I can describe it.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_03: And it's kind of like because she became a friend too.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_03: So it was just not like a bestie, but like a really close acquaintance in that sense.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: And so when you see someone's personality, you're like, oh, that's just who they are.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: But I would say 2019, I just felt like a shift because I would hear more people complain about being fired, or just I saw an amplification of her even kicking people out of programs and talking about other women, even like teachers for the Catholic records and stuff.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_03: Both of us are like Hermione Granger in the front row.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_02: B, yeah, let me ask, let me ask.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_02: 2019 was the first time I met her in person on the business retreat in November of 2019.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: And that's when one of the other participants became this, I'll call her an unwilling channel.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: She had never channeled before.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_02: But Betty was like getting all of this information that was coming through this other participant in the retreat about what was to come in the future and everything.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: And that, so that would have been in November of 2019.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: And on the other side of that was when she became this convinced that the way forward was always to be in joy.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: And then, of course, 2020 hit and all the pandemic.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm just curious about the 2019.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: Did you see that shift happening prior to the November retreat?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, around that time, because I had a client that I don't know if she went to the same retreat as you did.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_03: I just remember even just watching online spaces, you know, when you're just guided to step away.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I was just like, I'm just gonna step away and not thinking something was going on, I'm gonna say, on a mental level.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: And then the pandemic hit, and of course, we all came together and supported one another.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, okay, found my people.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: But I did feel an absolute amplification of, you know, talking about Freemasons and all the other stuff that was brought forward.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: What is so fascinating that I now look back is Betty messaged me a few times, and even in our coaching in our mastermind, because there were like one-off calls, like one-on-one calls as well.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_03: She told me I needed to move.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: So I moved within a week.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: I remember that.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: I remember she was very insistent that you needed to get out of Dodge and go to a new location.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like a tsunami was happening, and it made me realize the amount of fear that was instilled in me because I had put so much trust in her.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_03: I've known this person since 2006.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: So I just trusted, not realizing how open I was.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_03: The other factor, too, is and I share with you, Robin, is that I couldn't lose some weight.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_03: There was something I knew I was holding, and I just was like, something's like off, even like with dating, like something was just like stopping me.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I now like piece everything together about uh Betty's energy like infiltrating and being a part of that.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: Cause as soon as I blocked her, I lost 20 pounds.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_03: And then and I'll get to the sexual energy piece because that one's really important.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, 2019, 2020, still didn't think anything of it.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: And then 2021 comes along, and I noticed like a few of my close colleagues.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: I think one of them got fired.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: And and then again, like what you shared, Elise was like, Oh, you just think it's between them, like the relationship, and they just are not meant to be together.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: So I kept hearing more and more stories around that, and it would just amplify.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_03: And mind you, I haven't seen Betty in person probably since 2016-17.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_03: So this is before her being in a relationship, and she seemed very grounded.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: I could have a conversation, it was like fine, but I haven't seen her in person since.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: So all of my interactions have been online through voice message and all that.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_03: I wasn't intimate enough to really see the red flags, and it wasn't until 2023, because that's when the was it 2020 where I'm like, when was Santa Fe?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: It was September, end of September 2023.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: So that would have been the first time you saw her in person since Yeah, it's been years.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: The first time I actually saw her was a few months before the Santa Fe trip because she was actually passing through with her partner through where I'm living in and said, Hey, I would love to meet up with you.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: And I thought, okay, that would be amazing.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: So I went to her hotel, she sent her partner away and her kid.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: And as soon as she opened the door to the hotel room, she was just like swearing, she's like, Oh, thank God you're here, and fucking blah blah blah blah.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like I didn't get a word in for like two hours.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I was just kind of like baffled a little bit.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: And also, maybe she just needs a girlfriend event because she's seeing her in-laws.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: Again, didn't think anything of it.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, wow, she's highly irritated.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: Not thinking that there was already some symptoms and what I believe is psychosis, because psychosis, like spiritual psychosis, the some of the symptoms is grandeur thoughts, having these euphoric feelings, which we felt as well from that transference, irritation.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: There's so many connections, but I didn't put pieces together.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: I just was like, oh, this is weird.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why is she so highly irritated?
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_02: I want to just go into just briefly for our listeners, some of the definitions or some of the characteristics of the spiritual psychosis, hallucinations, seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not real, delusions, false beliefs that are not based on reality, disorganized thinking and speech, changes in behavior, emotional distress, anxiety, paranoia, depression.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: And then there are a lot of different causes for it as well, like mental health conditions, traumatic spiritual experiences, psychoactive substances, cultural or religious beliefs are another kind of underlying cause.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: So I just wanted to clarify that.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thank you for sharing that.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: So that happened.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: And then I would say maybe a month later or a few weeks later, the Santa Fe trip was mentioned.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: And somehow I was like, oh, I guess I'm supposed to go.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember seeing the messages in the groups of like, if you're not going, it just felt like we were being punished if we're not going.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_03: So again, the fawning in me was like, I'm gonna sign up.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: What was so interesting was during the, I'm gonna say 2021 and 22, I was training in a Tantra program and becoming a board certified sexologist.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: So it was really that really, I'm gonna say, saved me.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: It really grounded me and kept me connected to myself.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_03: And so when we showed up in Santa Fe, of course, I stayed with you, Andrea and Robin, you alise.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so that was a magical time with us being in that house.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: It was so amazing, except on night number one where I had to.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: Can we talk about that just briefly?
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, night one was pretty wild.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_03: I just remember you went into my room in the middle of the night and you're like, I need to sleep with you.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_03: And I, but there was some crazy activity, felt like a male entity, which we'll go in later.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I'm actually starting to believe I had thought that it was the house or something in the house because that area is very well known for Texas and things like that.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: But I've stayed, I've been there many, many times, never had any experience like that to the point where I literally couldn't stay in the room.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: So I went and slept with Aunt Belsheet.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: You're welcome.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: She got co-regulated.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_03: But I remember that night.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: I got woken up and I felt someone pushing me off the bed.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't you, it was like an energy.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: It was like an all I could describe was an entity.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: So And that was the same night I was channeling, and one of the first things that I that came through was.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Beware of the charlatans and the fraud.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not knowing.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: Not knowing that I was getting forewarned.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: So we were already experiencing pretty like wild energy that it's hard to explain.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: And for anyone who doesn't know of energy.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_03: So as we were in Santa Fe doing the things, there was some key things that I noticed around my goal was for my business.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_03: I got nothing out of my business.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: It was talking about relationships.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_03: And it's so funny because even prior to that, like I had a session back in 2022 with Betty, and relationships came up again.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I wanted to actually talk about what I needed for my business in regards to sexual energy and becoming a sexologist and a tantra practitioner.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: And I just noticed that she kept dancing around the subject and was like, oh, you're going to use that to teach people how to make money.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_03: And I just was like, oh.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: And then we ended up talking about my man.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_03: So apparently, my man is all different nationalities, Portuguese, Indian.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_03: It just kept changing.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: But it was just like all these things, the stories kept changing and deflecting.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_03: And in Santa Fe really amplified where some of us would share important information and almost felt like we were being gaslit is the only way I can describe it.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: There were so many moments that I felt gaslit just energetically when it came to sharing information.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I would say when Betty had the walk-in, that was really wild because we were supposed to just sleep in and that never happened.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_03: And to be awakened and us feeling those euphoric emotions, like that was just wild.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: How do you describe that?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: And then doing an entity removal when really we were actually ushering an entity in through an unsuspecting person and believing that we were doing benevolent work and being misled.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: And we drank tea.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: She made me make tea.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember that?
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: I don't tell me more.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: We had blue lotus tea.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_03: So this is what's interesting is she had already pre-brewed tea in a thermos when we were supposed to have this end tea removal ceremony.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_03: And she invited me into her bedroom and was like, Can you pour the tea for everyone?
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_03: So I remember pouring this blue lotus tea for all of us that I believe took us into an altered state to usher whatever this thing was in.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Whoa, I did not remember that.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_04: That hasn't come up yet, Robin.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_04: I don't remember that at all.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_04: I do remember because I do remember the little cups, like Dixie cups, yeah.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_04: Kind of, yeah.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_04: Not like exactly Dixie cups, like they were a little bit like thicker, but yeah, I remember that, but I didn't think anything of it.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't have a reason to.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: Not only that, but we also had that cacao ceremony as well, which was after.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it would have been after, yeah.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, okay.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: That was after.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: I really have no, as I'm scanning my brain, I have no conscious memory of that.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: So I had a there's a mind wipe going on, I'm suspecting.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: You know, going back to you, Robin, there were so many times where Betty would ask me to open things for her.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: That was very common.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: So I feel like I was at it let in on some level as a handler because people I know trust me, and they know, okay, if I trust Belgi, then I can trust the system and this person.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I know so many women that I was like, hey, you gotta check this out.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_03: And then somehow it just didn't work out.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, oh, I I don't understand why, not knowing that I was being hooked in this entire time and think about the many years.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, we had the tea ceremony.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: So I when you talked about Croatia, about the ceremony, it brought back the memory of like, wait a second.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_03: She told me that I needed to serve tea to everyone, and she had already brewed it, and and it was blue lotus tea.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember feeling altered.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm not sure if it's because Betty was having this state of psychosis of euphoria that was literally creating this ripple effect for all of us because we all felt this emotion of uncontrollable crying and laughing and being like, she's gonna come back to just being normal.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_03: And that never happened.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: Also, confusion, I think, too.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: Confusion and concern would be other emotions that I was feeling.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I was also in deep observation of what WTF is going on.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: And even though I wasn't in at least, I know you weren't either in a clinical position, we were still had some kind of eye to what's going on.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and and just the level of heavy influence, influence from Betty to say that it's not a mental thing, that it's a walk-in, and and really imprint that in for us to feel isolated to not even talk about it with each other.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: It was just fascinating.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, there were things that were brought up that this has already been spoken about, just sharing information about someone's partner not being their partner.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: I remember the the second last day she shared randomly when we're sitting by the rocks, and Andy had brought up where she was just sharing random information.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_03: And I just remember her looking at me and being like, and you, Belgi, you know, about your sexual energy, you need to like along the lines of stop leaking it, and you know what you need to do.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I just remember like nodding and being like, wait a second, I'm pretty good with that.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_03: It was just very fascinating.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_03: And there was a conversation prior to that that I was sharing that something had happened around sexual energy, and I could feel her like really deflecting that energy, and I felt so uncomfortable even talking about it.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: So it made me like so uncomfortable in a way that I felt like it really cock blocked me really anchoring the clarity in my business, knowing that this is what I need to bring in, and also with music.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: So that happened, and I would say the last day was very traumatic because I remember we're all in the house that morning and we just wanted to leave.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: I was ready to go back to stay in a hotel and come back home.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_03: And she messaged me on Voxer and was like, hey, I'm being guided to tell you that you need to stay with me here in Santa Fe for three months and you don't need to work.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_03: I can cover the cost of your flight to cancel it, no pressure kind of thing.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_03: I understand if you're not wanting to stay, but I remember like actually thinking about it and being, I felt like I was so cornered and I was already shocked and traumatized.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember sharing it with you all.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_03: And Elise, I remember you sharing like out loud, which gave me permission to just say no.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: And you're like, it's okay to say no.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, right, you know, it was just like this is my level of fotting.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_04: I was just like, well, no, because I remember like seeing you really, you were like in a state of shock.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_04: And I immediately, because this is how I am, I like put myself in your position, and I immediately was like, no, because I knew I would never do that or be able to do that or feel comfortable doing that.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_04: So that's why I was just like, no, you don't have to do that.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, what occurs to me too is that it was not just her saying you, but your man is there too, right?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna beat your man.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: So she's dangling this carrot, and then also the hypnotic suggestion of I'm not attached, but where she was very attached, and either way is fine.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, no, it's not.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: So there is that kind of the Milton Erickson kind of hypnotic suggestion of like the reverse psychology, I'll call it for lack of a better description.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: And oh my god, I totally forgot her saying that.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: And that's totally what it was.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_03: It was like, I'm gonna dangle a carrot of my man's gonna be there.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I just was like, I just remember saying to you guys, I'm like, my man is not a fucking Santa Fe, like I just know it's not like I just know her.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so she basically was trying to insinuate that your man was there and you were gonna find him.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna live together in a house, you know, like me and Betty.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the other thing that's occurring to me, this goes into the end of my story, which was when I actually spent a week solo with her, she had the same MO for you.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's what she wanted.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: And when you stepped out after Santa Fe, I was the next in line.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know what it was?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like basically after Santa Fe, like that was a shit show.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: Like when we got home, I called a friend outside of our group, and he was like, You're traumatized, and this is not okay.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_03: And I balled, and whew.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_03: I just remember it was Thursday and I was on my way to go see friends for brunch.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: I was just trying to be normal.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I just need to do freaking normal things, be human.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I also remember I had no sexual energy, I couldn't feel my sexual energy.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: So I knew we were taken out of that, we were siphoned out of that.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_03: So that's where my tantric tools came in.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, okay, I'm just gonna do my tantric practices and I could feel sensation again and feel connected.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember walking along this pathway, which was so wild because there were these boxes that are like self-help for suicide, attempted suicide, and stuff like that, that I was passing.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: And we were part of that light council group, Boxer.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: And when Betty left that message, ladies, I just want to let you know that Betty is no longer coming back, no longer is here.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_03: If you need to have a completion with her, please let me know.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: The image and the feeling that I got was the real Betty being out there crying for help and this energy that just completely took over.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: And that's when I deeply and down inside, I was like, the real Betty that I've known years ago would have told me to fucking run.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_03: That was the gut feeling that I had.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so that was really hard because I was trying to process the grief of like when someone says, Hey, I've known you for this long, but I'm no longer here.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_03: I'm dead.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: Like, how do you process that?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, they're on neutral feelings, like neutral and above, apparently.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: So it was really hard to like, and I was trying to like make sense of it.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: And again, I didn't look up any symptoms of psychosis.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I don't know what this is, but I'm just gonna let myself grieve.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_03: And and I feel like I have to let this person go and step away a little bit more and more and more.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_03: And so I was really like to myself with the process, not knowing that everyone was already starting to like bow out.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_03: Cause I was like, why is everyone?
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_03: Am I the one drinking, not drinking the Kool-Aid?
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, who else?
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like I was trying to figure it out.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like Robin and Gia, that's where you both came in as her trying to replace me in a way that I didn't realize that I was becoming a handler in that sense.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I want to bring in that handler, this term handler into the conversation because you had mentioned that earlier.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: How do you understand that role or that designation in this situation?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_03: The way that I describe it for myself is you have amazing gifts.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_03: These are all your gifts and stuff.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: But come into my space and I'll teach you how to expand on it more.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_03: But really, you're not gonna go totally full out there because if you do, you're gonna have to separate yourself from the group.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't want you to.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_03: My intention is that you use those gifts and share that with other people enough to influence other people to come into the space.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: Do I feel that this person was consciously aware of it?
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not too sure now.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like having to unravel so much.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like, was this all a lie?
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_04: When you think about it being a lie, like, because this is something that's been brought up a lot that people have asked around this idea of do we feel like she was planning this all along?
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_04: Or what is your sense of what she was aware of versus what was like unconscious?
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: Truly, I feel like she was hijacked.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's the only way I can describe it.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_03: I met the genuine buddy like years ago, and I feel that perhaps because of those moments of breaks in her, I'm gonna say psyche and her behavior, that that just made it more susceptible of allowing her to be hijacked.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_03: And it's also to do with her diet, because as you know, raw vegan lack of grounding and connection, and also who was she mentoring with?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like, how was that influencing her own psyche?
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know who she was mentoring with?
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: No, but I do know she was mentoring with high-level mentors herself, right?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: So there's something that I've noticed between 2018 and 19 that there was a switch.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's when the switch happened, which makes sense to me because that's when I was just like intuitively guided to step away a little bit more and not do one-on-one coaching with her.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: And now when I look back to it, like so many women since then, starting from 2019, were getting fired or left her.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_03: And mind you, each of these women felt isolated.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_03: They felt like they couldn't open up their cash records again.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_03: They felt like they didn't have access to it.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_03: They felt a dark energy over them.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_03: They felt like they lost their business, meaning that they weren't making enough money.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: They felt some dark energy.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: They all said, and this is like more than 10 women coming forward.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_03: They were like, I wanted to contact you, Belgi, but I felt like I couldn't speak to anyone about this.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I have screenshots of her message and stuff.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_03: So to bring that forward, it was like, I still didn't know all of us till up until like after the the Croatia thing.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_03: That's when everything blew up.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_03: So obviously, Robin, you were there.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_03: So fast forward to the Croatia trip before that.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_03: I went to Burning Man and I was like, there's a temple where you go in and it burns the day after the man burns.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: And basically, you can write letters to your loved ones and stuff like that and grieve, just take a moment for yourself.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember going in one morning, and I was like, What and who do I need to let go of?
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: And it was like, Oh, I just need to let go of Betty.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I gave myself 12 minutes to just cry and was like, I need to let Betty go because Betty's no longer coming back, not knowing that there was a Croatia trip happening a week later.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: And she had messaged me a week later and was like, I planned a retreat in Croatia, and little the ladies know what they're in for, LOL.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: So I just laughed.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, lol.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, okay, have fun.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_03: You know, like I didn't know what to think.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_03: And obviously, she had this all planned.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: And to me, she was already in this level of psychosis.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: That message that she sent to you before Croatia insinuated that she knew everything that was going to transpire.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_03: I feel in her own sense, of she knew something was going to transpire as another anointment, is what she would call it.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: She kept on referring to that Croatia retreat as her second anointing.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: So that would make sense.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: So one of the things that I wanted to bring forward about the Croatia retreat is at some point, as we were closing down five days early, after all of the drama and trauma took place, she was persistently asking me and I think Alicia to reach out to you, to tell Belgit it's time to come home.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: Tell her Betty is back.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: Tell her Betty is back.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember on my end resisting that, like thinking, I don't know how to say that.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: But the pressure was so much that I did actually message you, and I think probably Alicia did too.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: What was that like on your end?
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: What happened on your side of that?
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_03: So what's wild is I wasn't physically at the Croatia retreat, but energetically, I totally got broken because I know you were.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_03: Thank God you were there.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_03: I was in the midst of moving, which was so wild.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_03: And this started with Gia because Betty kept asking, Gia, is Belgique gonna come back?
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_03: Which I thought was interesting because Gia is another South Asian woman and Canadian.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_03: And Gia was very honest with her and just like, you need to let Belgique go, and she's no longer coming back.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel that Betty was in denial, but I didn't even know, like I was so detached from what was going on the retreat.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: But on my end, I was having heavy male entity visitations.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: So I would in the middle of the night feel this male entity coming in, and I'd wake up with a metallic taste in my mouth, which I knew was like an entity, not knowing or relating it to what was happening in Croatia.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_03: And the day that you, Robin, and Alicia messaged me, this was wild because Betty was obviously psychically grabbing my energy because I was out for brunch again with another friend.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I said to him, I said, I feel a male person grabbing on me.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_03: I felt like I was in a galactic war when someone's trying to take me out of my body.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't focus and eat.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_03: And that night I went to go see like a DJ, but I went out with some other friends before.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_03: And this was wild.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sitting at the dinner table, and this is before getting like opening up the messages and getting the messages that you had sent later, Robin and Alicia.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_03: Well, guys are like, you need to have just some wine.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, okay, so I drank five ounces of wine.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's supposed to be five ounces, but I would I thought it was hilarious as the waitress came in and just gave me a full cauldron of red wine.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_03: But I immediately stopped feeling the psychic pulley.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, okay, I go dancing, and I'm at the bar and I was like, I'm gonna go for a second red.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I just said, just five ounces.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: And the guy just poured like a full cauldron, and I was like, okay, so apparently I need this cauldron of wine.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I felt great.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_03: And then I came home and I remember I was making chai, and then I drank some chai just to sober up.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_03: And then I that's when I opened up your messages.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_03: And what threw me off was I knew it wasn't your energy.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I also knew, like, even through Alicia's message, I knew it wasn't from both of you.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_03: I could feel Betty's energy coming in.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I I remember feeling so triggered because I was like, if Betty really came back into her body, she would have messaged me directly.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: She wouldn't have triangulated these women.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_03: I just knew.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I immediately got sober.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like it was just wild.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: I remember when I was sending that message, I was writing whatever, I don't even remember what I wrote, but my underlying energy was Belgit help.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: It was like I couldn't have probably articulated it, but I remember definitely having that frequency of Belgit, please help, please help.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: Which is wild because I I felt this, and then I pieced it together.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_03: This is the male entity.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_03: This is wild.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_03: And a few days later, not knowing people were coming home, like going home, and I had a really crazy dream being woken up and I could feel someone in my space again.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_03: And I knew it was Betty.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, get get out of my space, Betty.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_03: Stop psychically spying, stop psychically tracking, which is wild.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's like she's taught me all of this stuff that I've become so psychically aware enough to know this stuff that she's doing it, which is wild.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: I think that all along she was showing us what she was doing.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: She was telling us what she was doing.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember a long time ago, it was probably 2019, 2020, when she said they, you know, name they, the elite, whoever, the cult, whatever.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: Part of the rules of the game is that they have to tell you what they're doing.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: And attracted all the women that have very strong sixth sense.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_03: Cause I'd say we all have a very strong like sixth sense.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, why?
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_03: Why was that?
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_03: So I remember in the middle of the night, I had that and I was so pissed off.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_03: And then I woke up and I had a metallic taste in my mouth, and I felt nauseous.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I just I just knew it was her.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: And she messaged me Hello, sweetheart.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: I've come home and I would love to share with you my next mission.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_03: You're the only Person I can trust, and you're a part of it.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I just couldn't even respond back, still feeling compassion because I actually didn't know what happened.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: No one shared with me what happened.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't until probably the October 11th or 12th when Alicia messaged me and just let me know that she severed cords.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, oh thank God.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, okay, can I just share with you what I experienced energetically?
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_03: Because this is, I don't know how to explain it.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: And then she shared what happened.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_03: And then in between that, Gia messaged and I finally reached out to her.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_03: And before that, Betty messaged me.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_03: So she was already psychically tracking.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_03: So that was the other thing.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_03: I noticed she was psychically tracking my energy.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_03: I know she was psychically tracking other people's energy.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember during that time, what was so wild because my body was already releasing her, I started to lose all this weight.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_03: And I started to put more energy into my music.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: It was just like very interesting.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_03: And then once I heard everything that happened in Croatia, that was almost like my permission to trust my intuition.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: It was like, okay, it's time to block Betty.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: And that's when I really allowed myself to grieve.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm still grieving and it's an ongoing process of grief that I feel like I'm personally moving through.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_03: And music and just doing my work has been like my therapy, my my outlet to really move this energy of what the fuck just happened, but also make peace with it as well.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_03: And and to understand the the depth and the layer of like how deeply trained I was to.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_03: And then the other thing too is I was invited to different trainings back in 2008 and nine that were like cult-like.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_03: And so Betty actually helped me get out of those.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_03: So this is what's wild is she taught me what are cult-like behaviors.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_03: She taught me what subliminal programming are, subliminal implants, all those things.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_03: So I become so hyper-aware of understanding all of this.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel because of that, that was the gift of really understanding what happened in Santa Fe and Croatia that made it easy for me to pull away.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_03: Cause I was like, no, the real Betty would have told me to fucking run.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_03: And so I ran.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, it's it's to me, this person is no longer Betty.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_03: This person to me personally is hijacked.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_03: And there's just been layers of grief of understanding that and what is true.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_04: What were some of the like insana fe that the things that you felt were cult-like behavior that you noticed just from based on what you said?
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember when she opened up that portal of the star system?
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_03: That didn't resonate with me.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I there that felt like bullshit to me.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_03: And then when she made me like channel, she was like, channel, like she put me on spot.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I just remember one of her colleagues was like looking at me and I was just like, nothing's coming through.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_03: And she was getting mad, and I was like, bitch, I don't know, like nothing's coming through.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_03: And then she kept referring to Gia.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_03: And Gia was like the tool that just channeled like stuff that when she didn't want to.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_03: Again, I didn't understand it to be cult like behaviors then.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_03: None of this even came to my mind till after hearing about Croatia.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't until after the Croatia thing that I was, I had this intuitive hit of like, look up psychosis, look up spiritual psychosis.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I was looking at all the symptoms, and I'm like, holy shit, everything's to a T.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: Grandear thoughts, euphoria, irritation, and just all of her behaviors was like to a T of someone going through a psychosis.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_03: And then weirdly enough, I started having clients who would talk about, funny enough, in the same location in Santa Fe, that their friend went through psychosis and was like going through some stuff and got charged because they attempted murder on their husband, like just randomly, and I was like, oh shit.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, okay, this is serious.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's why I was like, okay, there's more that's gonna come out.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_03: And I did write a private email to like some of my former students to let them know that I'm no longer teaching the Akashic Records.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_03: And they came forward, and that's how I was able to track back of like when did the pattern switch?
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_03: And from what I understand, it was 2019.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_03: And so something between 20 and 19 for sure happened that made Betty more susceptible to something psychologically happening.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: After we left Denver in that first retreat in November of 2019, I remember thinking this was so weird.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_02: Within about, I'll say a month of that, she suddenly married her partner out of the blue.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought that that was just a very interesting turn of events and unexpected.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: But then I was kind of like, she's spontaneous and she would do that, something like that.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: But when I looked back, so when we were on the move after Croatia, we had stopped over at the place where her assistant lives in France, we'll say.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_02: And her assistant was showing her pictures and supposedly being able to see the truth of who people were.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_02: And it was this very tray bizarre situation.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, she had pulled up a picture of Betty and her partner on their wedding day.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I saw this the image of Betty.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_02: She didn't look like herself, she didn't look grounded, she had these big round eyes, and she looked a little wild and crazed, to be honest.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I had never seen it in that way before, but I did really see there was something going on even then around the energetic shift.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I do remember after Denver, she was wanting to keep the whole group together and wanting us to continue to have conversations about what was going on.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_02: But the other, there were only three of us at that retreat.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so the other two women, especially the one who was this sort of unwilling channel, really just wanted to step out.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: She was pretty freaked out by the whole thing and wanted to step out of it.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: It dissipated very quickly.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_02: But her energy was at that point, late 2019, early 2020, and then into the pandemic, that's when I saw that big shift in terms of what she was talking about, what she was focusing on with the Freemason stuff and the false light in the white worker community and that kind of thing.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_02: So she had already started talking about that, which brings me to my question.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: Where do you think she was getting this information about cults, about the global elite?
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: Where was that coming from?
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have a sense of that, either of you?
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's very interesting because Betty has always had this level of awareness of what's happening for things, systems on a deeper level.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_03: So I've always witnessed that way back, like even in 2009.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_03: So when I look back of like how much did she know?
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_03: To me, I feel like she knew too much.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_03: And perhaps maybe because she knew too much, and she was very open-minded about it.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like she was very open about it to talk about it on social media, not thinking that something could attack her, possibly.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_03: So for me, I feel like she knew too much, but how did she know it?
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_03: To me, it feels like it comes through her mind, perhaps her family, as we know, like we know her background of being psychic and and all that.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think we've talked about that yet on the podcast.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_03: So, can you just so her grandfather was a psychic criminal investigator, and she's also worked in social services, apparently, from what I understand.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_03: Apparently, that's not from what she says.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and think about the programming of the many years of me thinking this woman has worked in social services.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_03: And the stories that I would hear, I just assume, oh, this is where she got all the training from, right?
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_03: This is how you can really tell if someone's lying, or like how to like even work in the records, like how to really get to the core of it.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_03: And the other thing too was she called the system trauma-informed, but we were never taught anything about trauma.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_03: It was until I started doing my tantra training where I was properly trained about trauma and became trauma-informed.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_03: And that's when I realized I was like, I was fawning the entire time.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like I am still unraveling how much did she hide and just reveal, I feel like I was given crumbs, and that was also hidden of transformation.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna have so much transformation that you're gonna build so much trust in me that you're not gonna doubt my character.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what it feels like.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_03: And because we are so open that way, like I like I said, the the women that she would attract are those that are very strong in their sixth sense.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_03: So why were we brought in?
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what was the purpose of that?
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I think it also brings up the question of did she attract us or did she target us?
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_03: I feel in the earlier days, she attracted us pre-2018-19.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm gonna say 2020, like when I look back when she told me I needed to move, I now realize that that was a different energy.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that was not her.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_03: And so to me, that was whatever is moving through her, is targeting us, has been targeting us.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_03: Cause I know each of us have been psychically attacked, but we're not gonna sugarcoat it.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: The amount of psychic attack that I have felt uh after the Croatia trip, knowing that Betty knew that I blocked her and pulled out phenomenal.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: And at least I know you felt it, Robin.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_03: You felt like everyone that I've spoken to have felt it.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_03: And the amount of harm, and I this is part of the grief and the anger that I have, is the amount of harm that's been done to so many women, and these women believing that feeling guilty and shameful and feeling like they don't have access to their own power.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_03: To me, that was obviously done subconsciously or consciously on purpose.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I agree.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_04: And I think for me too, and this might be coming from my own anger, right?
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_04: But like I also, whatever she was before this, like I still hold that version of her accountable as well.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_04: Because I feel like whatever she she obviously made some sort of an agreement to let whatever this is to let in, because we all know energy work.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_04: We all know that you have to consent.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_04: So to me, it's like when did that consent happen?
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know, but it did happen.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_03: I would say around 2018.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like the only way I can describe it, because I'm knowing her prior to that, she was a different person.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_03: I still have a few friends that have worked with her in the earlier days and just couldn't work with her.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_03: But those were like, I'd say, early signs of holes in her field of being more susceptible.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_03: I do feel like whoever she mentored with, whoever, whoever she made agreements to possibly made her again become hijacked in a certain way and hit it so well, so well to the point it was until Santa Fe was blown right open.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_03: Because there was too many veils, there was too many things that were being hidden, especially when I think about the pandemic, like we all bonded, and that's when things started to get really cray cray, is the only way I can describe it.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_02: I want to go back to we'll say 2012, 2013 for just a second, because we're talking about who she worked with, who she mentored with.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I was speaking with one of our other colleagues who was on this podcast because she has that longevity as well, as you do.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_02: And she said at that time, she mentioned somebody that Betty mentored with, who Betty revealed to me as being a member of the, we'll call it the global elite or the cult or however we want to talk about that.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_02: And what our colleague said is she was recruited early and activated late, meaning recruited in 2012, 2013, something like that, and then activated in 2019, 2020.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_02: And the thing that stands out for me about this as we're talking about the kind of the roots of whatever this is, the hijacking, is that she revealed that to me.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_02: She told me who she worked with, she told me their lineage, who they're associated with on the on the world stage.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_02: She pointed out all of these characteristics, not just of that person, but of people like them, having a profound disdain for humanity, having an impatience for the human condition and how mean this particular mentor was to her while she was going through the process.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_02: But what she never said was she got out.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_02: She might have said I stopped working with her, but she never said I got out.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_02: And it never occurred to me to ask her.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_02: I just made the assumption that she got out.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that there's something to that as well, just in terms of understanding the trajectory of what we're witnessing and exploring here, if that makes sense.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's definitely all these deeper layers, like I said, where that was hidden so well.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_03: And again, with the trauma bonding around, I'm gonna remind you of your trauma and trans help you transform the trauma.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_03: So for me personally, she knew it was stuff like around racism, and which I thought was so interesting.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like even in Santa Fe, I don't understand why that even came.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_03: It didn't need to come up, but what blew my mind, and I still remember, I like I don't know if you both remember, like she was calling me the names, like the N-word, the I remember that and I was just like crying, yeah, and being like, Am I being re-traumatized?
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_04: Like I was just you were like I remember that whole thing.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_04: And first of all, like if there's one thing that I'm tuned into, it's everybody's trauma.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_04: So I'll be sitting in the room and I'll know exactly like what's going on with every person.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_04: And there was never one thing that she would say that like I was getting, like I never would like really resonate with, and not to say that like on some level it's not true, because obviously she's saying it to re-traumatize you, but it wasn't actually the thing that like you needed to look at because that's what I would have been tuned into is what's the thing?
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_04: What's the thing for people?
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_04: And everything she would say to everybody was like not the thing, but it was something where she was gonna try to hurt you in some way, and then also kind of like make you feel like you needed to process the this thing that in my eyes you didn't, because I didn't think like that was the thing, right?
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_03: No, like she helped me with that like years ago.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_03: This is pre like 2009, 2010, which was very helpful.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_04: Like, she the earlier Betty really did help me on and still even around 2019 and 20, whoever she became was still helpful, but it was it was just shocking that it came forward during the group thing, and it was shocking, and it was very uncomfortable because she started saying all these like derogatory names that please don't say that.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was very uncomfortable.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_03: I mean I'm laughing now, but I just remember crying, but then consoling me.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_03: So that was like this level trauma bonding.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_03: And the reason why I'm bringing that forward is I now remember how many times she did do that.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_04: She's done it to every single person that we've had on the show, and I've watched her do it to more people than that.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_03: Which I feel hid her actual character.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_03: It was a way of deflecting of us even communicating with each other.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like none of us actually were have been able to open up up until now.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_03: And what was so funny is during last summer, I had one of our colleagues reach out to me in this before Croatia, and she messaged me on Instagram.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, Hey, I just want to let you know I see you and I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, Oh my god, so I reached out to her.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, I'm like, let's put herself in a bubble.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, tell me what you think.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_03: And she's like, This is what I think.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, okay, this is what I think.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_03: And we were trying to process it and not knowing the shit show that happened in Croatia, which I'm so sorry that you had to go through that, Robin.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_03: I just can't imagine.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_04: I just want to say, too, that it is this thing where you felt like you couldn't talk about it because I felt the same way.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_04: Andrea and I talked about it because we both left at the same time, like in January of 2024.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_04: But I did not feel like I could talk about it with anybody else.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I didn't.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_03: I felt like I was being, and I still do.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like sometimes I feel like I'm being psychically watched, or I can tell when Betty is trying to psychically track.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_02: I was really grateful that you revealed the metallic taste in your mouth because I've experienced that more recently.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_02: And like I was Googling, like, what's wrong with me?
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: And then you told me that, and I'm like, oh, thank you for that.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_02: And then my other tell is I get hot flashes that are like not menopausal related, I'll say.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_02: So those are two of my, and then I have this weird smell that comes in every once in a while.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_02: It hasn't come for a while, but definitely prior to leaving the farm and like right around the time I was leaving after Croatia was very prominent as well.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_03: You're also physically purifying because the amount of the other thing too, the amount of infiltration, the other thing I want to mention is in Santa Fe, when we had to put her up in a hotel because she wasn't ready to go back home.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_03: She said to me, like in a room, and the other thing I want to bring up that was a red flag, and we'll put this aside, is she kept sharing with women some lies that AM Mother India and the grandeur thought, and that I helped 10 women be rescued from Tim Ballard's organization.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_03: So that's a whole other thing.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_03: So that's how I knew something obviously was like really mentally off, but I remember her.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_03: She said, look into my eyes and look into my right eye.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember?
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_03: She kept saying, Look into my right eye.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_03: I remember looking in the mirror when I got back to my Airbnb, and my eye looked different, it looked like this, and I could feel my right eye off, and I was like, no fucking way.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_03: And so I did some clearing to remove a lot of infiltration because I could tell she had infiltrated my my space and obviously infiltrated all of us, and so that's when I I was really attuned to the imprint and the infiltration and tasting that metallic thing I know is for me a significator of like that's an entity that's like trying to, and so for and for you, Robin, she definitely infiltrated you like so much that I feel like your body's now purifying all of that.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_02: And when I look at just even her taking on my blonde braids and wearing my cowgirl shirt and taking my power bracelets and things like that, there were all of these things that she was doing to imitate me.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_02: But also my sister said this to me.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_02: She said, Betty wanted to capture you and then she wanted to become you.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_04: I think all of the ways that she was like taking your stuff was like, Do you know how people use like a symbol to like access somebody's energy?
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I think she was doing.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_04: If I have Robin's like bracelet, then that's how I'm gonna access her.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, yeah.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_02: So we had to do a bunch of clearing around that as well.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_02: We, meaning me and some of our other colleagues.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I think Elise, you helped me with that as well.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, so there were those things that were so insidious.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_02: And because of the level of trauma bonding that had been already woven into the fabric of the relationship, it was at best a very difficult situation.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I owe it to my psychological strength, I think.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I think we can all say that about each about one another, is that were it not poor, how bright we are and how how able we are, it would have been a very different ending.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_03: What's blows my mind is I know for each one of us, we're all like like watching Nexium, which is so funny because I've been invited so many times to be a part of Nexium, which is the hilarious than I and I remember.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_02: No, thank you.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, here I'll I'll join the Betty cult instead.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_03: And here I am having to share all of this.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_03: And again, Betty knew strategically, whether it's subconsciously or consciously knew.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_03: How to gather women with strong sixth sense and to use that in whatever agenda, I have no idea, but it definitely siphoned us.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_03: It definitely, I feel personally that my path and has been like detoured in so many ways that I feel like I'm now I'm now reclaiming that all back.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like we were influenced to be confused in so many ways, to be distracted from using our gifts.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_03: And for anyone that's listening, that that really resonates with this, to not be afraid of their own intuition.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_03: And again, like from all the women that I've been speaking to are now coming forward.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, I'm I'm afraid to open up my cashic records.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, that's exactly what Betty would want you to do.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_03: So to me, it's it's just time to reclaim that.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_03: And and to be even more discerning, like there's a lot of even spiritual jargon stuff that I've just let go.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_03: I I just need very human interactions the best way that I can.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_03: I've even been not conflicted, but just reframing how I want to share my sacred geometric like soul blueprints.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_03: Because she said there's no such thing as a soul.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember changing it back to star activations, and then I was like, no, fuck it.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_03: These are actual soul blueprints.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why does she say there's no such thing as a soul?
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_03: What was the purpose of that?
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_04: Because she doesn't have one, because she's soulist.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_02: I like how you both were like, because oh, Belgit, I know what I wanted to ask you about.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_02: It was something that we talked about when we reconnected a couple weeks ago.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_02: There was, and Elise, this was at the San Diego retreat where there was that big trauma reveal of one of our one of the other participants.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_02: And Belgit, can you take us there for just a second and share that?
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_03: So this this kind of comes back to the Tim Ballard stuff.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_03: Is I've worked with a few women that have been exposed to satanic ritual abuse and all that stuff.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_03: Again, all the training that I've gotten from Betty has allowed me to know how to hold space in these different uh realms when someone is going through these dark places and feel like uh they have no one to speak to about.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_03: So I've had a few, one in particular, that have escaped to community and was exposed to satanic ritual abuse, who uh knew something about Tim Ballard.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_03: And when you hear things too, sometimes there can be vicarious trauma.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_03: So I actually privately as a coach, as a mentee, and sharing that privately with Betty this information.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_03: This was back in 2021.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_02: So basically to process through your experience as you were helping this person recover from being traumatized in this yeah, and just getting insight of supporting this person as well.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_03: And that was like very private, confidential like information as well.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_03: So back to the Sandyoga retreat, I remember one of the colleagues there reached out to me for a session to process some information, but it wasn't she didn't fully share what happened.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_03: But I couldn't see in the records about the story that was brought up.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_03: We ended up talking about her mom.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_03: And that was that.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't ask any other questions.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so it was before Christmas last year when I was just guided to reach out to this person, this colleague that was at the retreat to let her know that I'm no longer connected with Betty.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_03: And uh we agreed to have a chat, and she goes, Can I ask you something?
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, Yeah.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_03: And she goes, Did you rescue 10 women from being trafficked through Tim Ballard's organization?
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, No, I'm like, she keeps saying that, and it's not true.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_03: She actually broke down because she thought it was true.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_03: And then I said, Can I ask you something?
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_03: And she goes, Yeah.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, What did she tell you at the San Diego retreat?
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_03: Because we never actually uh went deep into the story.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_03: And when she shared the story with me, and this is what baffled me, is that the story word for word sounded like my client's story.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_03: And then that's when I realized that Betty had transferred my client's story, possibly through her, and then she processed it through her body.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I shared that with her, and then I asked her, I go, Do you believe that story is your story?
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_03: And do you believe it's true?
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember her feeling like I felt some of it's true, but I also felt like some of it's not true.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, it just sounds like Betty transferred someone else's story through your body to process.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_03: And then this person said, That's funny because that's what my mom always used to do.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_03: So I also noticed the patterns of our mother wound.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's the other thing I want to bring forward because Betty did amplify that.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_03: She helped me heal all my mother wounds in the earlier days, where my relationship with my mom is like phenomenal.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_03: But what's so fascinating is that there's something around the mother wound, and she would always talk about the mother.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like people always want to play me out as their mom and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_03: And then all of a sudden, she's calling her mom a narcissist.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_03: There was something around this mother wound piece that just kept playing out.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_03: And what got me even more triggered and like just baffled was the harm that's done to someone psychologically to blow them open on a psychological level and tell them that they were exposed to possible satanic ritual abuse or other things when really they weren't.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_03: And then they're processing that in their body, the responsibility.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_04: Not only that, but all of us that were there were processing it too.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and she was holding this hand symbol as she's rubbing, like for a long time, and it was so cringe.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I remember I couldn't even look at her, and I was like cringing because it was like the energy of it was so gross.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't know how else to describe, like it was just the hypnoparent therapy stuff, which I didn't even know about till Yeah, which we've recently figured out.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_03: We haven't even known it for fucking, I don't know how long and like it just all makes sense.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_04: So basically, I just want to like recap because I want to make sure everyone got that.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_04: At this retreat in San Diego, she basically told this woman that this thing happened to her that was incredibly traumatic that actually didn't happen to her, that happened to Balgit's client that she told her about.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_04: It's not a small thing, it's a heavily this is like no, this is like stuff the type of stuff that a lot of people couldn't even stomach to hear.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_03: Which is like to have someone feel like, okay, now I'm processing this through my.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_03: If I remember this person sharing with me, she's like, My body went through so much three months after that retreat.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, no shit.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_03: And then that totally got stirred off track.
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_03: And but just psychologically, and and then physically, the transference of moving that trauma through your body that's not even yours.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_03: So that just brought up more, it did, it brought up more anger inside of me of like, this person's not well, and this is what really bothered me too, is like I don't have a mental illness, and I'm like, Yeah, you do, like you're you need fucking help.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_03: You're you're harming people.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I I agree.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_04: The level of um, I don't even know what to call it, but to bring trauma to people like that and to traumatize them intentionally, I have fuck that bitch.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_02: Barb and I recorded Two Shrinks on the Farm, what's basically a crossover episode with Bewitched, because Barb, as a noted psychologist, as somebody who was trained clinically way back in the 70s when they were doing a lot of research on the most sociopathic people on the planet at the time, she had a lot to say about her take on Betty.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the things that I wanted to share with you guys about that is that Barb was describing her perspective on what's the deal with the psychology of this person.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_02: Is she mentally ill?
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_02: Is she possessed?
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_02: What are the layers of this?
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_02: When you listen, you'll hear her describe this.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_02: But she's describing the MMPI, which is a personality profile that was used to assess, I forget who the guy was who killed Bobby Kennedy, Suran, Suran, or somebody like that.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_02: The guy who she trained with assessed him, assessed Charles Manson, like that level of depravity.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_02: And she said that Charles Manson's profile on the MMPI was very interesting because most of the time you would see these two things would not occur together.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_02: One is psychopathy or sociopathy, right?
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_02: So low empathy or zero empathy, Machiavelliism, sadism, and it's kind of that that quadrant or that quadron that we talk about.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then also high on delusions.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so when we look at what we understand about Betty at this point, we see that sociopathy, I'll call it the low empathy, the Machiavellianism, the high control, that kind of thing, the sadism taking pleasure in other people's pain.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then we see these delusions as well.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_02: And so Barb's conclusion was that the profile of Betty is very similar to that of Charles Manson.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know how that lands for you guys, but I wanted to bring that forward just as we're still trying to figure out like there's a psychological level, there's the energetic, the spiritual level.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_02: And Belgit, I know that you have a perspective from the galactic level about this as well.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm glad you brought that for because I I definitely felt which was so interesting, is after Santa Fe, I went to Tulum for another retreat, and I ended up having to do a three-hour like entity removal on this person that was not expected.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_03: And I now realized because I felt like I had karma with this entity, like this entity was very metallic, very dark.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_03: I almost ran out of the room.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_03: It was scary, but I knew I needed to stay in it and to not fear it because the fear is what they feed off of.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_03: And what was interesting, I was like thinking, this feels very galactic.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_03: I remember crying after that, being like, they need to stop hurting our people.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like I like I felt like this was such a galactic thing.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_03: And even with what happened to Betty, it felt very like something metallic and galactic that just took over, is the only way I can describe it.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_03: What is very interesting is before Santa Fe, I had a reading done by a dear friend of mine who's a psychic medium.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_03: And once in a while I'll get a session from her, she gets a session from me.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_03: One of the only few people that I allow to do sessions on, like on me, because she's very clear.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_03: And not even thinking about anything, she warned me, she goes, just to let you know, there's a very dark galactic energy that's wanting to come after you.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't normally say this, but just be very mindful.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_03: Just be mindful, be open, keep your eyes open.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't think anything of it about the Santa Fe tree because I just thought it was a walk-in.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like everything was benevolent.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't until after I came back from this other retreat that I was just like, oh, this is the the galactic energy, like this, and then fast forward to Croatia.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_03: I also had dreams about this male entity.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_03: I could feel him like following me.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_03: I I dreamt about him.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_03: And it felt like a galactic feeling is the only way I can describe it.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_03: Not earthbound is the only way.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_02: So do you think she opened up a portal or something in Santa Fe or Santa Fe?
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck yeah.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_03: Like, because that's when things really switched.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_03: And was she fully aware of it?
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not too sure.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_03: I feel that something had already taken over her unknowingly, and then opened up this whole star system or whatever the freak it was called.
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_03: That I was like, okay, you know, like we'll just sit in here.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_03: And and what's fascinating is that the workshop, obviously, we're in her hotel room in the living room, but she left that portal open, went to bed in the separate bedroom.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_03: And that's when the the break happened, or the next day the walk-in happened.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel is because she had opened up that portal, left it open, not realizing that she was inviting something else in.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I think she realized it.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think that everything that she talked to me about was that she knew that this was always coming for her.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_02: I pointed out early on that because in one of her books, she describes this childhood experience, whether or not it's true, I don't know.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_02: But we'll say for the sake of what I'm about to tell you, it's true.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_02: That when she's a little girl, she would channel for the grown-ups.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember saying after we had left Santa Fe and headed back to the airport and done all the nonsense, I remember standing with her.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_02: We were in the supermarket, and I said, Oh, this has been with you from the time you were a little girl.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_02: And she agreed with me.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_02: Now, what she would do with me is when I would offer something, she would take ownership of it.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_02: So then that became part of her story.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not clear to me actually if she was simply playing on what I was reading or if it was actually the case, if that makes sense.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_02: But she did say she knew that the entity was coming, she knew the entity was not leaving, and she knew that the previous version of herself was not coming back.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_02: She knew that from the beginning.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_03: And it's wild because seeing both sides of her, and you know what's interesting, and I share this with you, Robin, is when I caught up with you, I had this memory come up that I completely forgot about.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_03: Because I, again, was the first student to be taught the Akashic Records.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember this was like back in 2006.
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_03: We were going into level three, and I stayed over at a friend's place where she was going to teach the Akashic Records level three.
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_03: And there was about four or five of us, a very small group at that time.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_03: I remember in the middle of the night, I had this really weird experience of this male entity coming in, kind of like a paralysis.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I opened up my eyes and I saw this male shadow saying, You're gonna be okay.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_03: And then I just froze, but I remember levitating from the bed, and that's all I remember.
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_03: I went back to bed.
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_03: My friend, I woke up the next day and I was like, I had this crazy experience.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_03: And she goes, When was that?
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_03: I said in the middle of the night.
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_03: She goes, But you went pee, right?
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, No, I didn't go pee.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_03: What do you mean?
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_03: She goes, That's weird because I woke up in the middle of the night to go pee, and I looked over to the bed where you're sleeping, and you weren't on the bed.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_03: So I just assume you're in the washroom.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I just went back to bed waiting for you to get out of the washroom.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, I never went to the washroom.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_03: And so when we talk about like how far back does this go, it made me remember this other thing, which I never experienced up until Santa Fe, which is wild.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I feel like what you what you said about this thing was already inside of her, but got fully activated, and her knowing on some level it was going to come after her, especially after Santa Fe when she shared that Betty is no longer coming back and I was passing the self-help boxes.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_03: I just remember her pure soul crying for help.
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_03: And that's how I knew.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, this is off.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_03: Like this person's been fully freaking hijacked.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_03: And how do you explain that in human terms to someone?
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_03: How do you even share that with others?
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_03: And when this other character is fully convincing and brainwashing everyone that she's the end all be all.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_02: And and there's nothing wrong with her, and she doesn't want to talk to or work with anyone who wants to fix her in any way.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, it's just been like for me personally, it's been like layers of grief, just like things that I didn't even realize.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_03: And I'll just start crying.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm just like, but again, it's been a gift of reclaiming all back of my energy and and just pouring that all into music and pouring that all into my other work.
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's just been sex and music for me.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I love that for you, sex and music.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_03: And the music's been taking off, which is amazing.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_03: But it's just wild to to know someone for that long and to see these two spectrums and and be like, what happened?
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_03: And when did this really begin?
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_03: Having to know this person before she even started doing her trainings, before she even started coaching.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_03: She was already aware of these energies.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_03: That's how I learned everything.
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_03: But I never really asked her where she got the root of the training from, which is wild.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing for me that I would wonder because because I guess now everything comes into question, like of the of what she told us about her background.
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't necessarily, maybe some of it's true, I don't know, but I'm not going to take any of it as truth.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_04: So that just makes me wonder, like, okay, well, then where did she get all that information?
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe it was from her family, but also what else about her family adds to this story?
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_04: And I guess we won't know, and that's fine.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_04: But it's just, yeah, it just begs like all of those questions.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_02: The other thing I will say that she told me, see, from the beginning, from the moment that there was the walk-in, she said, Oh, Robin, this is for your research.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_02: You have to study me.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_02: Because she knew I'd been studying channels for 20 years.
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_02: The psychology of channeling, the psychology of people like us.
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_02: So she knew that and she was like encouraged.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_02: She really wanted me to study her.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like that was very important.
• 1:25:46
  SPEAKER_02: The hand signals and so on.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_02: But one of the things that she told me early on was that she had an uncle, her mom's brother had a mental illness.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_02: I want to think it's schizophrenia.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_02: It might have been more of a bipolar-ish kind of situation.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_02: But she told me when she was a little girl, her mom said to her one day, you're just like your uncle.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't bother to ask, or I didn't bother.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's pretty critical of me, I would say, but I didn't ask because I wasn't truly in, I was never truly in a clinical position to do this.
• 1:26:19
  SPEAKER_02: I was her client.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_02: I was paying her a lot of money every month to coach me, air quotes on my business and so on.
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_02: So it was just a weird power dynamic.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_02: But what I wish I would have asked was, what were you doing at the time that made your mother say that about you?
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that would have been a very telling, Elise, as you know, some of these the ODD stuff shows up in kids early on.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's hard to know.
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_03: So there are a lot of things that we simply won't know and perhaps don't need to know.
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember when I got her the shirt, the t-shirt with the Illuminati signal?
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, oh my God.
• 1:26:53
  SPEAKER_03: I just like I'm like, I'm like, was she?
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like she I'm just like, please take that photo down.
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think that there are so many things that she was telling us that she was doing hiding in plain sight.
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that that's the thing that bothers me probably the most is that because of my automatic assumption that she was benevolent, I was simply assuming she was sharing information with me, not realizing that she was actually part of the problem.
• 1:27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Sharing information.
• 1:27:26
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:27:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's just wild.
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's wild.
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I know what I wanted to ask you about, Belgit.
• 1:27:33
  SPEAKER_02: This whole training system, yeah, and her her claims about it with hundreds of thousands of people trained around the world and the number one school.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_02: What's your take on that?
• 1:27:44
  SPEAKER_02: Was that accurate?
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_03: I don't believe it was like highly accurate.
• 1:27:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I do remember obviously seeing all that, and sometimes I was like, This feels a little exaggerated.
• 1:27:53
  SPEAKER_03: Do I feel the system is like amazing?
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like when she channeled the manuals, like.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_03: All the techniques and stuff are like to me are so bang on.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's why I was like, I taught it and been in it in so many years, and it's helped me personally.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_03: But as far as the number one school and the amount of people, I've always questioned that and knew I was like, oh, this is an exaggeration.
• 1:28:24
  SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't until when Betty had the walk-in where everything was so exaggerated.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_03: And like there was even stuff on our website of like testimonials that wasn't my testimonial about being an expert channel and with my photo on it.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I had to message the assistant and be like, Can you take that down?
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_03: This is not true.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_03: I did not write that.
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_03: So I feel like the exaggeration was there.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_03: And then when that mental break happened, it went into more exaggeration, like a thousand times fold.
• 1:28:59
  SPEAKER_03: And apparently I've helped 10 women be rescued from Tim Ballard's organization for being traffic.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe in some other timeline, but not this one.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_03: No, but she was literally convinced.
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember her sharing that openly during one of the groups, and I was put on the spot and I was like, and I had to gently correct it.
• 1:29:18
  SPEAKER_03: There was already symptoms that again was hidden in plain sight that we just because it just seemed convincing.
• 1:29:25
  SPEAKER_03: It really did, because the techniques are phenomenal and the transformations were phenomenal.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_03: So you just think, oh, this person has a lot of connections.
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_03: And and now I'm like, did she have an eight-figure business?
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_03: Did she have a seven-figure business?
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, based on the way that things were run in general, there's no way.
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_03: What and what was so interesting too is basically everyone left the training and started to teach Akashic Records themselves that were teachers.
• 1:29:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember Betty genuinely asking, Am I doing something wrong?
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't think she even consciously knew why this was happening.
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_03: And it's wild that these women that were guided, that were teachers, were guided to teach their own system of Akashic Records.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_03: And thank God they were trusting their own gut.
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_03: But they just knew they couldn't figure out why they were just getting the strong hit.
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_03: And that I do remember Betty getting super confused about that, like genuinely confused.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_02: Here's something that I've got a burr under my saddle about.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_02: Alicia on her podcast episode revealed that she'd been teaching the Akashic Records for like literally years before she stepped into Betty's world.
• 1:30:42
  SPEAKER_02: And then suddenly becomes the curator of the of Betty's version and so on.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_02: The burr under my saddle is this.
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_02: And it goes to the siphoning of energy.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_02: It makes me question how much of that was actually Betty versus how much of it was Alicia's gifts being channeled in or your gifts being channeled into it.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_02: Does that make sense?
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so I feel so like spiritually offended by this.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that I have to bring that forward because at this point we can't, I can't, I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I'm so skeptical about everything.
• 1:31:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I look at how so many of us had these kind of thwarted business experiences as a result.
• 1:31:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like we would do okay, but there was never like being suppressed or compressed as a result of staying in that field, if that makes sense.
• 1:31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have thoughts on that?
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_03: The only way I can describe it because it's first of all, for anyone who has like manuals and stuff like that, like I've deleted everything.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_03: I've deleted all files, I've deleted recordings just so I wouldn't have that frequency.
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_03: But I still access my own Akashic records in my own way because I feel like that's really important.
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_03: If anything, it's been a my readings are even stronger.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_02: So, like because you're coming through your own frequencies and your own abilities.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I do feel there was some interference in regards to being part of the system in the last even the last couple of years because of whatever was going on with Betty was infiltrating, whether she consciously was aware of it or subconsciously.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_03: The word for me that comes up and has come up is if she was lying about how she channeled the manual and where she got the information from, it is just the deep level of betrayal.
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_03: And that's when I'm grieving.
• 1:32:40
  SPEAKER_03: I'm grieving someone who uh showed up to be someone to support me in a certain way for many, many years and to find out that most of it, possibly all of it, could possibly be a lie.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_03: But then where it's just a deeper level betrayal and then having to go back to trusting uh my gut instinct and returning home to that.
• 1:33:06
  SPEAKER_03: And so the other thing that I've done was I've extracted myself, and this is for anyone listening, uh, in certain systems, there could be things that are amazing, but you can extract yourself from the system, but still be in touch with your own gifts and the thing, the tools that you may have learned that have benefited you and take that.
• 1:33:25
  SPEAKER_03: Doesn't mean it's a part of who they are because they more than likely took it from someone else and some ancient technology or whatever it is.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_03: And obviously the Akashic Records is not created by Betty.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's like that just is.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I feel it's just really important to uh take the tools that you've learned, but also extract yourself from the containers that you were involved with so that you don't feel that infiltration and strengthen your own your own intuition through that.
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah.
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just reflecting on my own experience with it because I didn't come in until 2020 and I never felt guided to really learn the Akashic Records from her.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_04: I was already doing it and I just I wasn't interested.
• 1:34:16
  SPEAKER_04: And I also was like, like I was teaching my own modality, like my own methodology.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_03: So I wasn't like that's when the energy shifted, which makes sense as to why you didn't feel the call.
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's yeah, something changed frequent, like in frequency.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like I remember like I was feeling pulled away from I was getting tired of teaching it.
• 1:34:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like I was like, why am I not excited about it?
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_03: There was something already in the space that was not being like a full fuck, yes.
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, my experience was when I became a teacher, there was that agreement that we had to teach like level one once a year or something like that.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I want to relate this because you brought up Nexium.
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_02: So I was watching the VOW.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the things that they said in the VOW is that psychologists and counselors were not allowed to join Nexium because it turns out that a lot of their techniques or technologies were basically psychological interventions, right?
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_02: So I bring that forward because in the level one training, the thing that I friggin' hated about that the most was all of the inner child stuff.
• 1:35:24
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember the the levels of okay, from zero to three, this is what you're looking at?
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, this is all like Ericsson's developmental stages.
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to learn the Akashic records because I'm so hungry for knowledge all the time.
• 1:35:37
  SPEAKER_02: I want to know as much as I can.
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's what drew me in.
• 1:35:40
  SPEAKER_02: But even that level one, I was like, there were a couple of pieces, but for me, as a with my training and background, I'm like, this is like simple like developmental psychology stuff.
• 1:35:51
  SPEAKER_02: That what what are we doing here?
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_02: So even that, that was not channeled, that was co-opted.
• 1:35:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's no, no, that's all the oh my god, the the developmental psychology stuff that I taught at ASU.
• 1:36:07
  SPEAKER_02: So for me, I was like, you guys can do this if you want to, but what are we doing here?
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's so funny.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_02: So this is in other words, and I didn't say anything because I just wouldn't like if I even taught level one, it was always like to one or two people because there just wasn't, I didn't have that sense of to your that full-bodied yes of this is what I meant to be teaching.
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_02: It just didn't land for me.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, most of her stuff to me just felt like a bad 90s infomercial.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_04: It was one of those things where I'm like, for some reason I'm like attracted to working with her, but any like business stuff that she did or anything like that just had that feeling to me where I'm like, I'm not doing that.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_04: I'm at the stage where I'm just like making mean jokes about her.
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's actually like very liberating.
• 1:36:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's what Barb said is that in indigenous cultures, when spiritual healers go sideways and get too big for their britches, they get made fun of.
• 1:37:00
  SPEAKER_02: And that usually takes care of it.
• 1:37:02
  SPEAKER_02: So we're doing our part to make fun of this in some way.
• 1:37:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm doing my part.
• 1:37:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's good that we can laugh about it, honestly.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like there's times I I laugh and then there's times I I cry.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like truly, it's both and because the levels of to your point, Belgi, betrayal, deception, harm, co-opting our gifts, and influencing others to to be a part of it.
• 1:37:26
  SPEAKER_03: And I've shared this with others.
• 1:37:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I'm not saying that I feel like fully responsible though, but there is a responsibility, and that's why I feel it's important to talk about it because I and that's why I bring the term handlers because I I don't think I was even aware my role and bringing in so many people as well who have amazing transformations.
• 1:37:49
  SPEAKER_03: There are some women that never experienced this because they were just guided to not work fully one-on-one with her as well.
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm just happy that this is all coming out.
• 1:38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:38:01
  SPEAKER_02: I said to Elise this morning, because the three of us and Andrea too were part of that core group who I'm using air quotes, assisted her in leaving Santa Fe and making her way back home.
• 1:38:16
  SPEAKER_02: And from one perspective, we can look at that like we thought this was benevolent, we wanted to help our friend and colleague and coach, we were concerned about her.
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, there's that level of benevolence.
• 1:38:28
  SPEAKER_02: When I looked at this this morning from a different perspective, my guide said, who better to protect the humans on the planet from this being except you guys?
• 1:38:39
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe we were more like galactic marshals in that situation, which I like to think about instead, just as a different angle.
• 1:38:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um damage control.
• 1:38:48
  SPEAKER_02: We were damaged control in some ways, but yeah, this has been a long journey.
• 1:38:53
  SPEAKER_02: And Elise Belgida's our last interview of this portion of the series.
• 1:38:58
  SPEAKER_02: We may come back and do something else later on.
• 1:39:02
  SPEAKER_02: We were talking about yesterday when we interviewed Brenda about doing at some point a where are they now kind of recap round table with everybody, like a year later.
• 1:39:11
  SPEAKER_02: But for right now, as a leader and as somebody who is in her sovereignty, where do you go from here?
• 1:39:18
  SPEAKER_03: Where do we go from here?
• 1:39:20
  SPEAKER_03: Personally, I think it's important to de-armor as well, because when you experience something so traumatic, there's this level of shock in the body that can leave you in the trauma response of fight or flight, freeze and fawn and all that.
• 1:39:36
  SPEAKER_03: So finding the safe spaces and connection to de-armor and thaw from all of this and to be able to transfer this like fire, this anger into something creative.
• 1:39:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm really adamant about using the the sexual energy, the creative energy as well.
• 1:39:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like use that as your fuel to call back your power to be able to express yourself.
• 1:40:06
  SPEAKER_03: And and so that's what I've been doing for myself personally, which I feel like I'm being so supported and guided on like I'm releasing a an EP for a big label, which is it's wild how this is all happening.
• 1:40:20
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 1:40:20
  SPEAKER_03: So I really feel like the universe is okay, you're you're on track.
• 1:40:25
  SPEAKER_03: And I still remember one of my mentors, he's a DJ producer.
• 1:40:29
  SPEAKER_03: I was sharing one of my tracks called Phoenix Rising, which I created right after the Croatia thing.
• 1:40:35
  SPEAKER_03: And he goes, There's a lot of sorrow in this, but there's all this beautiful beats.
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, How long did you work on this?
• 1:40:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I just remember bawling, be like, I don't know.
• 1:40:45
  SPEAKER_03: It was like many hours.
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_03: And he's I could feel this.
• 1:40:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, I know.
• 1:40:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just like bawling.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's important to have emotions, like emotions, energy, emotion, like move that energy, whether it's walking, I do a lot of walking, move that energy and be able to express yourself.
• 1:41:04
  SPEAKER_03: Because if you're isolating yourself, that's not gonna serve you.
• 1:41:08
  SPEAKER_03: Really coming out of this place of thawing and the rest will be revealed.
• 1:41:14
  SPEAKER_03: We don't have to know exactly how that's supposed to look like.
• 1:41:18
  SPEAKER_03: But I feel it's like this is you coming back to your own gifts that was more than likely siphoned for many years.
• 1:41:28
  SPEAKER_03: And this is this is about coming back home to that.
• 1:41:31
  SPEAKER_04: I love that.
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_04: I agree.
• 1:41:33
  SPEAKER_04: For me, I've really like it's really informed so much of what I'm doing and my creativity, and just like so much around leadership and what it means to be like a a leader slash like practitioner, and also what standards are we upholding for that?
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:53
  SPEAKER_02: For me, I've really been thinking about my work as being a guardian of consciousness and how precious human consciousness is and how important it is to call our consciousness back home to our hearts.
• 1:42:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I've also been really thinking about sort of a cosmic code of ethics.
• 1:42:15
  SPEAKER_02: What are we stepping into in the future in terms of leadership and benevolence and our promise to do no harm?
• 1:42:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I know that we all keep our promises.
• 1:42:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:42:26
  SPEAKER_02: And we also can understand that not just us, but if it can happen to us, it can happen to anybody, of course.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_02: We've said that, that's a drum we've been beating.
• 1:42:36
  SPEAKER_02: But also just like recognizing the difference between influence and intuition, and recognizing that we're all on some level influenced by external forces and programs and so on.
• 1:42:49
  SPEAKER_02: And so just really getting crystal clear about who we are as leaders and what we're doing going forward creatively and as a way of contributing to just being real on this on this planet.
• 1:43:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:43:02
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 1:43:03
  SPEAKER_04: I know we have to get going.
• 1:43:05
  SPEAKER_04: So thank you so much for being here and sharing.
• 1:43:08
  SPEAKER_04: This was incredible.
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_04: So thank you for being here.
• 1:43:12
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for being the 11th.
• 1:43:14
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 1:43:15
  SPEAKER_03: That's my numerology number is 11.
• 1:43:18
  SPEAKER_03: So I'll take it.
• 1:43:22
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much again.
• 1:43:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I I can't thank you both enough for creating this space.
• 1:43:27
  SPEAKER_03: So I just want to give some shout outs to you both as well for opening up this space and creating this massive ripple effect for many women to speak up and share their stories and whether they dealt with Betty directly or indirectly or another kind of Betty.
• 1:43:45
  SPEAKER_03: It just feels really important.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_03: Again, I just want to send my love to you both and thank you so much for creating this.
• 1:43:52
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 1:43:53
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 1:43:54
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• 1:43:56
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