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Broke men? Women most affected | Maintaining Frame 142 · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining
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Speaker 1: frame number one. Broke men women most affected, of course,
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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, that's that is how cos that's how
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Speaker 1: it goes exactly.
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Speaker 2: Meteor meteorite hits Earth women most.
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Speaker 1: So we're going to be looking at a an article
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Speaker 1: and it's a little bit older. But I guess there's
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Speaker 1: a bit of a backstory to this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but is there a backstory?
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Speaker 1: I was you said that, you said that it's been
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Speaker 1: getting some traction on Twitter. Yeah, well, actually you have said, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you said you did something. I did something.
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Speaker 2: I got traction on Twitter. I apologize. My cat has
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Speaker 2: decided that she does not want me to to do
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Speaker 2: anything for some reason. But uh, yeah, no, I tweeted
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Speaker 2: out a screenshot of this article and that particular tweet
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Speaker 2: has been getting a lot of attention. So I thought
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Speaker 2: we would go through it. I know it's an old,
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Speaker 2: an old article, and maybe we've already gone through it. Okay, Bud,
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Speaker 2: you know what, if you insist on this, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: put you in the other room. Sorry, having cat technical
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Speaker 2: difficulties again. And yeah, so I thought we could go
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Speaker 2: through it. I don't know if we didn't go through this.
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Speaker 1: One before, I don't you know, this is from twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: so think the whole It was a whole different timeline
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Speaker 1: back then that was I have no idea. You may
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Speaker 1: have gone through.
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Speaker 2: This, but we were different people almost entirely. So there
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Speaker 2: we go. The new Alison and the new Brian will
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Speaker 2: be going through this article. But yeah, I figured it'd
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Speaker 2: be worth it to take a look because it is
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Speaker 2: one and you know, it is another classic in the
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Speaker 2: genre of women most Affected, and by women most Affected,
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Speaker 2: I suspect they mean women are the only ones affected,
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Speaker 2: because we never really talk about men being affected, just
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Speaker 2: you know, because they're human beings, they get affected by things,
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, it was just, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it has to be reframed. It's almost like we got
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Speaker 2: a mental block about these things that you know, might
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Speaker 2: be beneficial for our society to actually challenge and overcome.
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Speaker 2: But who knows, Let's just keep doing what we're doing,
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Speaker 2: all right. So yeah, so I figured we could go
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Speaker 2: through this article. I'll do the things now that my
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Speaker 1: apparently that we're gonna be looking at this. Amanda Marcott,
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Speaker 1: From real birds.
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Speaker 1: I don't actually I know. Yeah, Okay, we do the
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe's here by the way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course we We jokingly refer to him as
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Speaker 1: our son. Okay, so let's get into the article. So
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Speaker 1: this is from New York Post and from twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: so for full you know, disclosure, September sixth, twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 1: But it's Allison has sort of, you know, poked the
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Speaker 1: hornet's nest and and made this relevant again. Not that
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Speaker 1: even though these are older opinion pieces, they're not really
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Speaker 1: like old opinions. They're they're evergreen opinions when it comes
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Speaker 1: to men.
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Speaker 2: No, No, it's always women worst. Yeah, women most affected,
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Speaker 2: like except here on this channel, and we're your old
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Speaker 2: only break from women, most affected, women always affected, women
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Speaker 2: only affected. This is it. This is where you get
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Speaker 2: a break, come in, take a load off, have a smoke,
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Speaker 2: and exists in a space where women aren't the ones
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Speaker 2: that are always the victim.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the only space where conversations do not move
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Speaker 1: at the speed of women's emotions, but at the speed
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Speaker 1: that they need to to like get to the root
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Speaker 1: of things. So all right, So broke men are hurting
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Speaker 1: American women's marriage prospects. That's already bad. There's a devastating
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Speaker 1: shortage of men who have their act together, according to
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Speaker 1: a new study that may not be so surprising to
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Speaker 1: all the single ladies out there. Research now suggests that
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Speaker 1: the reason for recent years decline in the marriage rate
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Speaker 1: could have something to do with the lack of economically
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Speaker 1: attractive male spouses who can bring home the bacon. According
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Speaker 1: to the paper published Wednesday in the Journal of Family
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Speaker 1: and Marriage, I think this is the.
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Speaker 2: One that compared married men to like they held everything constant,
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Speaker 2: and compared them to unmarried men and found that if
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Speaker 2: they earned I think, and that was forty thousand in
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Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen, twenty nineteen, so it's more like fifty thousand. Now,
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Speaker 2: if they earned fifty thousand, they were more likely to
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Speaker 2: be married. Like if they had at least fifty thousand,
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Speaker 2: then they would be twice as likely to be married
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Speaker 2: or something like that. So it's basically showing that, you know,
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Speaker 2: income is still a critical factor for men in getting
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Speaker 2: married and staying married. So that didn't change. That's yeah,
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Speaker 2: do we talk about women's role changing, But nope, no,
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Speaker 2: women's desires that that has to say the same. I
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Speaker 2: just want to point something out. There's a devastating shortage
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Speaker 2: of men who have their act together. All right, So
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Speaker 2: here's the problem with all of this. Okay, you have
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Speaker 2: this article, and if men aren't doing as well or
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Speaker 2: better than women, and I mean better, because women generally
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Speaker 2: don't want to marry men who are doing equally well,
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Speaker 2: then they don't have their act together. But the instant
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Speaker 2: men as a group do better than women, then it
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Speaker 2: is biased against women that we must marshal all of
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Speaker 2: the troops, you know, and arrange all that in just
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Speaker 2: the alterinary are artillery and bomb into oblivion, like we
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Speaker 2: have to destroy it, we have to go to war
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Speaker 2: against it. So and then we blame men. So we've
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Speaker 2: constructed this situation that if they do better than women,
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Speaker 2: it's oppression and we have to destroy any means by
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Speaker 2: which they can do that because we need to bring equality.
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Speaker 2: So let's let's let's imagine men invent a widget that
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Speaker 2: suddenly allows them to have twenty five percent more than women. Right,
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Speaker 2: then we will have to take that widget and the
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Speaker 2: government will have to go in and buy the widget
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Speaker 2: for women so that they can get up to the
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Speaker 2: same scale as men.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: And then we will turn around and women will they'll say, well,
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Speaker 2: there's not enough eligible men because of this government intervention
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Speaker 2: that made it so that men's own invention had to
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Speaker 2: be available to women so that they could earn as
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Speaker 2: much or more. And then we say, well, men don't
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Speaker 2: have their act together, okay, And then if they do,
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Speaker 2: they invent another widget and make more than women, you know,
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Speaker 2: and then the government intervenes to equal things out. Again,
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Speaker 2: men don't have their act together because they're not earning
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Speaker 2: more than women. It's almost like an endless ratchet.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also a racket. Yeah, I mean, like you
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Speaker 1: you basically they demand, you know, all kinds of accommodations
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Speaker 1: so that they can pursue careers, and then we let
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Speaker 1: do that for them. But then they get those benefits
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Speaker 1: and then they look at the men who are struggling
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Speaker 1: and they're like, why aren't you keeping up with me?
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Speaker 1: Even though I have a bunch of unfair advantages, But
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Speaker 1: they can't be unfair because I'm trying to correct for
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Speaker 1: past discrimination. But you should also be making more than me,
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Speaker 1: even though if you did, I would consider that to
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Speaker 1: be oppression. So it's like men can't win obviously, And
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Speaker 1: of course it exposes, like you know, it exposes the
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Speaker 1: let's say, material desires of women. So when a man
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Speaker 1: says women just you know, they're basically just after your money.
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Speaker 1: This kind of demonstrates that. But they don't call it
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Speaker 1: gold digging else, and they call it economically attractive. And
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Speaker 1: because we've used new words, we're using new words. Now,
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Speaker 1: this isn't new, this from twenty nineteen. There's probably something
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Speaker 1: else now, like you know, fiscally hot or something. But
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Speaker 1: now that we have a new word, that doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: gold digger because we change the word, yeah, you exactly.
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Speaker 1: We get to, you know, continue to basically pursue what
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Speaker 1: we're what we're chasing, without like having to get any
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Speaker 1: judgment for it. But we already know, we already know
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Speaker 1: that this is like what's going on, Like, you know, again,
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Speaker 1: just look at any of those men on the street
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Speaker 1: videos where a guy approaches random women and says, how
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Speaker 1: much money do you think a man needs to make
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Speaker 1: before he dates you? And no matter how mid they are,
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Speaker 1: they'll all be like, oh, you know, six figures, like
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Speaker 1: some crazy like one percent of one percent, you know,
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Speaker 1: And that's probably because of girl math. I think that
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Speaker 1: there's a girl math thing that that comes into play too,
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Speaker 1: But I could I get into that, but I won't.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, all right, so I guess the next couple
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Speaker 2: of paragraphs.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll read the next paragraph. Most American women hope
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Speaker 1: to marry, but current shortages of marriageable men, men with
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Speaker 1: a stable job and a good income, make this increasingly difficult,
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Speaker 1: says lead author Daniel Lichter in a press release, and age.
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Speaker 2: Had Yeah, to fix this, society will have to arrange
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Speaker 2: to break the fix again.
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Speaker 1: The link is dead. I can't look at that link
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Speaker 1: for the press release. But h yeah, again there's a
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Speaker 1: guy just saying, you know, there's not not even like
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Speaker 1: the question of like what is reasonable for women to
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Speaker 1: expect from men? That's not even in the cards. Like
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Speaker 1: they're just like, yeah, they're just guys, aren't stepping up.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a mystery, says the guy who
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Speaker 1: probably doesn't have a problem with that because he probably
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Speaker 1: makes a lot of money writing up studies that talk
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Speaker 1: about how other men are not doing good. The man
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Speaker 1: who writes about other men as failures is doing well.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I mean. Lichter adds that unless your dream man
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Speaker 1: is an uber driver, the death of would be grooms
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Speaker 1: is prominent in the the dearth I'm sorry, the dearth
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Speaker 1: of would be grooms is prominent in the current gig
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Speaker 1: economy of unstable, low paying service jobs.
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Speaker 2: You remember Luke Fresher, I think I think his name
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Speaker 2: we can say his name right or.
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Speaker 1: Who? Well, Luke oh, Pressure, Luke Presure, Luke oh, Luke Weber.
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Speaker 1: He's been on the show Animator.
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Speaker 2: It was a hot up and coming, hot shot animator,
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Speaker 2: probably making a significant amount of money.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and how he's still out there, He's still doing
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Speaker 1: tough anyway.
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Speaker 2: But he was in he had a career. Yeah, he
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Speaker 2: had a good career and he was going places. And
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Speaker 2: then I don't even think he did like I think
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Speaker 2: he did the reverse of sexual harassment. He was like, no,
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Speaker 2: I'm not interested in your cuddle.
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Speaker 1: He was avoiding the kind of like so he worked
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Speaker 1: in an animation studio, kimer La, who ran it, but
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Speaker 1: it was the same studio that did like you know,
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Speaker 1: Stephen Universe and stuff, and he like they were very
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Speaker 1: like they had this very lax social environment like where
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Speaker 1: they were all like hanging out outside of work and
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Speaker 1: you know, it was becoming this kind of bohemian, you know,
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Speaker 1: commune type of thing. And Luke was not a social guy.
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Speaker 1: He was basically like I just want to do my
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Speaker 1: job and I want to like leave.
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Speaker 2: But it was also like from what I remember, it
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Speaker 2: was also edging into being uncomfortably intimate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there were people that were like like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: like I said, it's like this bohemian thing, like they were,
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Speaker 1: you know, getting yea uncomfortably intimate with each other somewhat.
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Speaker 1: You know, there was like this weird It's like it's
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Speaker 1: like this I guess a more modern way of looking
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Speaker 1: at a business is like, Oh, let's all just be
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Speaker 1: friends too, and maybe go to parties together and maybe we'll,
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Speaker 1: you know, get into situationships. It's like they think that
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Speaker 1: work is like some kind of sitcom where everybody's fucking
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Speaker 1: everybody or whatever, and that's and he was like not
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Speaker 1: interested in that, and they didn't like it because he
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Speaker 1: was like he stood out as someone who was uniquely
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Speaker 1: avoidant of it and.
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Speaker 2: He just wanted to work. But that's my point, Like
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Speaker 2: the verse sexual harassment, It's like, I'm not interested in
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Speaker 2: this overtly intimate kind of work atmosphere. I'm here to work.
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Speaker 2: I'm here to be a professional. I'm here to get
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Speaker 2: the job done. And he ended up getting on a blacklist.
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Speaker 2: We're pretty sure while we were finding out more and
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Speaker 2: more that this is true, and he lost his career. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they pushed him out. And I'm just like looking at
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Speaker 2: this and I'm thinking, how many how many men does
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Speaker 2: that have to happen to, like for us to start
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Speaker 2: realizing that this isn't men failing to live up to
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Speaker 2: some standard, it's our society deciding to kneecap them at
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Speaker 2: every goddamn opportunity in favor of giving things to women
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Speaker 2: who don't deserve it. If you wonder why animation has
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Speaker 2: gone to crap, that's why because people men, most likely
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Speaker 2: women who had that attitude like Luke, eventually got drummed
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Speaker 2: out as well, because these these cabals, they hate women
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Speaker 2: who also want to focus on work, you know, but
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Speaker 2: you know, they these these people get drummed out. I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying and I'm not saying that it's that it's
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Speaker 2: mostly women who are affected, not at all, but these
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Speaker 2: these kid balls, they also they target anybody who doesn't
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Speaker 2: want to turn it into a feelings fest and just
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Speaker 2: want to get work done. And this is why animation
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Speaker 2: is going to crap. And in particular, they target men
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Speaker 2: because men are prone to regard work in that way,
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Speaker 2: but also because they're men, and they're targeting men primarily,
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Speaker 2: so I mean, and and again it's like our society
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Speaker 2: and all of these institutions are need capping men in
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Speaker 2: their career path. They're neeecapping them and then turning around
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Speaker 2: and writing articles like this, Well, why don't men have
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Speaker 2: their act together? Because if they get their act together,
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Speaker 2: you execute them, you execute their careers. Like that's why,
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Speaker 2: dear and and then everybody's why are men? Why are
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Speaker 2: men failing to launch? Well, maybe stop breaking the launch pad.
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Speaker 1: Cap.
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Speaker 2: It's so funny because you see these people. They they're
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Speaker 2: basically got an axe on the breaking apart the launch
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Speaker 2: pad and asking as they're destroying it, why are men
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Speaker 2: failing to I don't know, I don't know. Why are they? Like, remember,
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Speaker 2: because you made your life goal to stop it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well that's just it. Like it's like
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Speaker 1: they throw all these obstacles and then they expect them
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Speaker 1: to overcome them, to be good enough. So and then
17:47
Speaker 1: they're surprised when some don't. A lot of them don't,
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Speaker 1: you know, and it gets worse. So let's let's look
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Speaker 1: at more licktor ads that unless your dream man is
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Speaker 1: an uber drive at that part. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: Luke literally and up becoming an uber driver to like
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Speaker 1: make up for you know, to like meet like this
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Speaker 1: after Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not just saying singing Luke, but he
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Speaker 2: represents a lot of men. No, for sure, career systematically
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Speaker 2: destroyed in favor of giving it to a woman and
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Speaker 2: ending up in the service economy low paid gigs. And
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Speaker 2: then reading this article about how you haven't what was it?
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Speaker 2: Got your act together?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so it's like it's like men have all
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Speaker 1: the agency, uh. To investigate the man drought, researchers created
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Speaker 1: profiles of potential husbands based on real husbands as logged
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Speaker 1: in American Community survey data. They then compared those hypothetical
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Speaker 1: spouses with actual excuse me, actual unmarried men. So they
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Speaker 1: they basically like found they have made up husbands like
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Speaker 1: that women what women want. And then they compared that
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Speaker 1: to actual dudes that like alive and real and physical
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Speaker 1: and exists in the world. They found that a woman's
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Speaker 1: made up hubby makes fifty eight percent more money than
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Speaker 1: the current lineup of eligible bachelors. Does anybody think there's
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Speaker 1: something wrong with that? That women think that men should
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Speaker 1: be making fifty eight percent more than they're making than
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Speaker 1: they're able to And this is in twenty nineteen. The
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Speaker 1: economy has gotten worse since.
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Speaker 2: Then, and men and women's standards have only increased.
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Speaker 1: Probab Yeah, most likely, So think about that, Like, the
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Speaker 1: economy was was in pretty good shape in twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: I believe, and then from twenty like then, you know,
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Speaker 1: the thing happened in twenty nineteen late twenty nineteen, because
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Speaker 1: this is like a September of twenty nineteen, so right
19:45
Speaker 1: before the thing happened, and then we were in that
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Speaker 1: space for about two years or so, and then we
19:52
Speaker 1: were on a you know, inflation everything else, and we're
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Speaker 1: just now potentially maybe getting on you know, like moving
19:59
Speaker 1: towards us an upswing again. So in that period of
20:02
Speaker 1: time between this article and now, things have only gotten
20:06
Speaker 1: worse for men in terms of their earning ability because
20:09
Speaker 1: of all these problems, and women's standards have either like
20:13
Speaker 1: leveled or gone up. Probably they went up, okay, fifty
20:18
Speaker 1: eight percent more than the current lineup of eligible bachelors. Okay.
20:25
Speaker 1: The study reveals large deficits in the supply of potential
20:29
Speaker 1: male spouses. The study concludes, it's so it's funny because
20:32
Speaker 1: it treats men like they're just like economic units, like
20:36
Speaker 1: they're like nothing else supply of Like you, it sounds
20:39
Speaker 1: like you're talking about eggs. We have an egg shortage
20:42
Speaker 1: or crid yeah right, or crude oil. Right. Many young
20:47
Speaker 1: men today have little to bring to the marriage bargain,
20:50
Speaker 1: especially as young women's educational levels on average now exceed
20:53
Speaker 1: they're male suitors. Lickter says, some ladies are even starting
20:58
Speaker 1: to date down in order to score of forever partner, Like,
21:01
Speaker 1: that's such a terrible thing to date down. And sure,
21:05
Speaker 1: there's the whole love factor in a marriage, you know,
21:08
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess there's that. But in the end,
21:11
Speaker 1: it's also fundamentally an economic transaction, says Lickter.
21:15
Speaker 2: Is it it's fundamentally an economic transaction, then it's a
21:19
Speaker 2: shit transaction. If you're going to say that it's fundamentally
21:22
Speaker 2: an economic transaction, why would men marry? Like, why would
21:30
Speaker 2: you sign on to an economic contract in which your
21:33
Speaker 2: partner could walk away with half or more of your
21:36
Speaker 2: assets at any time right without just just break the
21:43
Speaker 2: contract and disappear. Why would anyone sign on to that contract?
21:54
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. It's if this is an economic issue, if
22:00
Speaker 2: you if we want to play that game, if we
22:02
Speaker 2: want to play that and say that the motions don't
22:05
Speaker 2: come into it. Women don't actually have to love men,
22:09
Speaker 2: right that that's off the table. It's all economic. Then
22:12
Speaker 2: it's a shit contract. It is a one shit contract
22:18
Speaker 2: that hell would you want to get involved in this economically?
22:22
Speaker 2: It's not an economic contract for men? If like, like
22:26
Speaker 2: I'm saying, look at it just terms of business, just
22:28
Speaker 2: terms of economic then the men who sign on are
22:31
Speaker 2: freaking idiots. Yeah unless she makes the same amount as
22:37
Speaker 2: you and can't walk away with a good portion of
22:40
Speaker 2: the assets you've built up, right, you are an idiot
22:44
Speaker 2: for signing onto this. If this is economic just we're
22:48
Speaker 2: just looking at this pure mercantile you know, mercenary terms.
22:53
Speaker 2: The men are dumb. But that's I mean, like I said,
23:00
Speaker 2: like you don't want to what what what is making
23:02
Speaker 2: up the difference here? Why are men expected to sign
23:06
Speaker 2: on a contract that actually puts them in a sling? Right? Yeah,
23:12
Speaker 2: it's Is that the end of it?
23:14
Speaker 1: Wow, that's the end of the article. But I do
23:17
Speaker 1: have like we can look a little bit at the
23:18
Speaker 1: report sure that the article was based on.
23:22
Speaker 2: So I don't think we've actually ever gone through this report.
23:25
Speaker 2: I mean I've talked about it on Twitter and actually
23:27
Speaker 2: there was something that this reminded me of. No, we
23:32
Speaker 2: can look at the reports. We can wait for that.
23:34
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a look. So the report is
23:37
Speaker 1: this is from the Journal of Marriage and Family, probably
23:40
Speaker 1: not at all biased and paid for by us A
23:43
Speaker 1: I D or other three. No, no, no, actually whatever.
23:45
Speaker 2: The institution of marriage and family is pretty trustworthy, Okay,
23:49
Speaker 2: they actually care about marriage and family or the this
23:53
Speaker 2: is this is probably fairly accurate, Like I would imagine
23:56
Speaker 2: this is it doesn't look like it.
23:57
Speaker 1: Has well and that might be the case. But I
24:01
Speaker 1: guess what I'm wondering about is not necessarily about the accuracy,
24:03
Speaker 1: because like you can, like somebody could do studies accurately,
24:07
Speaker 1: but there are there Then there is also like the
24:11
Speaker 1: decision things to study. So we will do a study
24:18
Speaker 1: on this because we're concerned about marriage and family, but
24:21
Speaker 1: we wouldn't would they do a study on like I
24:23
Speaker 1: don't know, like whether or not the conclusions of this
24:28
Speaker 1: are reasonable, like like in some way to find out
24:31
Speaker 1: like why are women expecting men to make you know,
24:34
Speaker 1: fifty eight percent more than what is available? And and
24:38
Speaker 1: the so it's not it's like the bias of omission,
24:42
Speaker 1: Like why didn't we look into this? You know, I
24:45
Speaker 1: find that as we look at more and more studies,
24:47
Speaker 1: I wonder, like, you know, why is it that a
24:49
Speaker 1: lot of the data can be lopsided. It's not just
24:52
Speaker 1: because of like you know, the feminist influence in academia,
24:55
Speaker 1: and stuff. But it's also just like the the like
24:59
Speaker 1: no one's asked skiing, should we do a study on X,
25:02
Speaker 1: because that the whatever that is, whatever that is you're
25:06
Speaker 1: trying to find out. It doesn't even like, you know,
25:09
Speaker 1: penetrate the consciousness of people doing studies because they don't
25:12
Speaker 1: think it's important to study, you know. I mean that's what.
25:16
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming anybody up for anything. I'm just wondering,
25:20
Speaker 1: like if that's true, because this could be a fair study.
25:24
Speaker 1: But then there's like, okay, so why are women doing that?
25:28
Speaker 1: Is anyone gonna look into it?
25:30
Speaker 2: You know, there's there isn't a study into the relationship
25:33
Speaker 2: between the number of female sexual partners in marriage. Yeah, okay,
25:42
Speaker 2: let's look at it, all right.
25:43
Speaker 1: So Mismatches in the Marriage Market by Daniel T. Lichter,
25:48
Speaker 1: Joseph Price, Jemery Swegert whatever. Abstract objective. This article provides
25:53
Speaker 1: an assessment of whether unmarried women currently face demographic shortages
25:57
Speaker 1: of marital partners in the US marriage market. So you
26:01
Speaker 1: see that, you see what I'm saying, Like, what is it?
26:05
Speaker 1: It just seems to be right off the bat, I'm
26:08
Speaker 1: just I'm speculating here. So I'll read more of it
26:10
Speaker 1: to confirm. But it sounds like they're already saying, huh,
26:14
Speaker 1: women aren't finding good men. There must there must be
26:17
Speaker 1: a shortage of good men like that, Like that's the
26:20
Speaker 1: that's kind of like what we're we're looking at. Maybe
26:23
Speaker 1: that's not Maybe maybe they have a problem with gold
26:26
Speaker 1: digging hypergramas women instead.
26:28
Speaker 2: Of like it's a problem with women.
26:31
Speaker 1: You know, But it just seems like, why aren't men
26:33
Speaker 1: stepping up? Oh, we'll do a study on it. It's like, whoa,
26:36
Speaker 1: but the but you're step one. Step one is wrong.
26:40
Speaker 1: It's a it's a bad premise. So I think step one.
26:44
Speaker 2: Starts with the idea that it's women that I'm set
26:49
Speaker 2: I guess, I mean, yes, they do, but it's the
26:52
Speaker 2: idea that they don't set on reasonable expectations.
26:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, this has gotten worse since koof Yes, like, expecting
27:03
Speaker 2: men to earn fifty eight percent more than they do
27:09
Speaker 2: is unreasonable right to expect that. And then on top
27:15
Speaker 2: of that, if men earn fifty eight percent more than
27:18
Speaker 2: they do, and they probably mean fifty eight percent plus
27:22
Speaker 2: more than women, If men do that, then we will
27:26
Speaker 2: all endeavor to destroy the means by which they do that.
27:30
Speaker 2: You know, if that fifty eight percent more that goes
27:34
Speaker 2: to men only so that they become merit attractive, will
27:38
Speaker 2: turn around and say that that is oppression of women,
27:43
Speaker 2: an attempt to like, you know, patch the hole. That's
27:49
Speaker 2: that's allowing men to earn fifty eight percent more than
27:51
Speaker 2: they do. Now you get what I'm saying. Yeah, Like
27:55
Speaker 2: this is a never ending and essentially what we've done
27:57
Speaker 2: is we've constructed a social attitude, a social goal, almost
28:03
Speaker 2: a religious goal. Equality has become this religious goal. We've
28:08
Speaker 2: constructed this, and it is directly opposite the process of
28:13
Speaker 2: family formation because women are not challenging their archaic notions
28:20
Speaker 2: about what they want and a partner. I mean, we
28:23
Speaker 2: talk about women's roles changing, but they certainly haven't challenged that.
28:27
Speaker 2: They haven't challenged what they expect from men at all.
28:31
Speaker 2: They still expect exactly the same thing. Money, They still
28:35
Speaker 2: want a partner who pays for them. They've never challenged that.
28:39
Speaker 2: So nothing really has changed.
28:43
Speaker 1: Well on one side, Yeah, if they talk.
28:46
Speaker 2: About they talk about how women have evolved, No, you haven't.
28:50
Speaker 2: You haven't involved one thing. If anything, men have evolved
28:54
Speaker 2: into wanting romantic partners rather than practical economic partners, which
28:59
Speaker 2: was what was actually expected of women in the past,
29:03
Speaker 2: that they be a practical and economic partner in the
29:07
Speaker 2: business proposition known as marriage. Now that men have, you know,
29:12
Speaker 2: hearts in their eyes and they're like, oh, we're going
29:15
Speaker 2: to be running through fields to the rest of our lives,
29:18
Speaker 2: holding hands even as we get old, we'll love each other.
29:22
Speaker 2: And women are like, yeah, bitch, you're such a freaking
29:25
Speaker 2: look at you. You're such a romantic you know. And
29:28
Speaker 2: it's like women haven't changed. Everything is mercenary, everything is money,
29:33
Speaker 2: everything is cloud. Everything is your achievements, either you know,
29:43
Speaker 2: social or in terms of your education. They're still in
29:50
Speaker 2: a nine eighteenth century thirteenth century mindset when it comes
29:56
Speaker 2: to relationships. Women are still there and yet at s
30:00
Speaker 2: simultaneously with retaining that archaic attitude towards relationships that they
30:06
Speaker 2: are economic bargains. They've decided they're economic bargains that only
30:12
Speaker 2: go one way because love, because men also should love
30:17
Speaker 2: women romantically and not expect anything from them. It's like,
30:21
Speaker 2: that's not that's not an evolution in thinking. That's not
30:25
Speaker 2: women becoming a new evolved feminine creature. That's just going backwards.
30:33
Speaker 2: Because now, not only are you not stepping up as
30:36
Speaker 2: an economicity, not only continuing to require men to be
30:40
Speaker 2: the economic partner that they've been through all of archaic marriage,
30:44
Speaker 2: You're now expecting to not have anything put on you
30:49
Speaker 2: economically and practically because love, but only one way, because
30:55
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna love him, he has to pay for it. Like.
30:59
Speaker 2: That's not that's not spiritual evolution. That's not emotional evolution.
31:05
Speaker 2: That's emotional and spiritual regression what we are praming as
31:09
Speaker 2: an evolution in women. Yeah bullshit. Oh you're not even
31:14
Speaker 2: showing the at least the loyalty that women had in
31:17
Speaker 2: the past when they were being practical and economic. Of course,
31:21
Speaker 2: some of that was enforced socially, but it was enforced
31:23
Speaker 2: socially a lot by women on other women.
31:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was gonna say it was by women, though
31:28
Speaker 1: mostly Yeah, all right, background, One explanation for the declines
31:32
Speaker 1: in marriage is the putative shortage of economically attractive partners.
31:37
Speaker 1: That's men you're talking about for unmarried women to marry.
31:40
Speaker 1: So don't say partners when you mean men, because men
31:43
Speaker 1: don't care generally how much money women are making. Previous
31:48
Speaker 1: studies provide and you didn't study that anyways, You didn't
31:51
Speaker 1: study for like that. That's another example I'm talking about,
31:55
Speaker 1: Like I could probably assume that men generally don't care
31:59
Speaker 1: about how much money women make in the same way
32:01
Speaker 1: that women care about how much money men make. But
32:04
Speaker 1: we don't know that for certain because no one's even
32:06
Speaker 1: thought to do a study on it, because they didn't
32:08
Speaker 1: think it was worth studying. That's what I mean by
32:10
Speaker 1: like this kind of bias biomission. Previous studies provide mixed results,
32:16
Speaker 1: but are usually focused narrowly on sex ratio imbalances rather
32:20
Speaker 1: than identifying shortages on the multiple socioeconomic characteristics that typically
32:25
Speaker 1: sort women and men into marriages. So what's the method?
32:32
Speaker 1: All they have here is like, you know, very like summarize.
32:35
Speaker 2: The method is essentially, I think they created models based
32:40
Speaker 2: on the characteristics of married men, so they would determine
32:47
Speaker 2: the difference between the characteristics of single men currently and
32:51
Speaker 2: what they would look like if they were married. I
32:54
Speaker 2: believe that's what they did. I mean, it's I think
32:56
Speaker 2: it's a fairly legitimate thing because this jobs with the
33:01
Speaker 2: stuff that I know about women's expectations a theriage.
33:05
Speaker 1: No, I don't I don't disagree with that. I'm sure
33:08
Speaker 1: that this is, like, like I said, I'm sure that
33:10
Speaker 1: this is a pretty you know, unbiased study in terms
33:14
Speaker 1: of like what the study.
33:16
Speaker 2: Yes, just from premises that it hasn't questioned.
33:20
Speaker 1: Right exactly. It's like when you're doing science, you know,
33:24
Speaker 1: you just have to be careful from which you launch,
33:27
Speaker 1: and especially when it comes to like these social sciences.
33:30
Speaker 1: But okay, so the study identifies O'm sorry, go ahead.
33:35
Speaker 2: Well okay, no, no, continue. Sorry I didn't I thought
33:38
Speaker 2: you were we were going to break into a discussion there,
33:41
Speaker 2: and I drifted off into discussion thoughts.
33:45
Speaker 1: Oh I see continuously. Oh yeah, I just want to Yeah, Like,
33:49
Speaker 1: this study identifies recent marriages from the two thousand and
33:52
Speaker 1: eight to twenty twelve and twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen
33:56
Speaker 1: commulative cumulative five year files of the American Community Survey
34:01
Speaker 1: Data imputation methods provide estimates of the sociodemographic characteristics of
34:07
Speaker 1: unmarried women's potential or synthetic spouses who resemble the husbands
34:11
Speaker 1: of otherwise comparable married women. These estimates are compared with
34:16
Speaker 1: the actual distribution of unmarried men at the national, state,
34:19
Speaker 1: and local area levels to identify marriage market imbalances. Results,
34:24
Speaker 1: these synthetic husbands have an average income that is about
34:27
Speaker 1: fifty eight percent higher than the actual unmarried men that
34:31
Speaker 1: are currently available to unmarried women. They also are thirty
34:35
Speaker 1: percent more likely to be employed and nineteen percent more
34:39
Speaker 1: likely to have a college degree. Racial and ethnic minorities,
34:43
Speaker 1: especially black women, face serious shortages of potential marital partners,
34:47
Speaker 1: as do low socioeconomic status and high socioeconomic status unmarried women,
34:53
Speaker 1: both at the national and subnational levels.
34:56
Speaker 2: You know, this is a huge fraud that women and
35:00
Speaker 2: feminism have perpetrated on men. This is a gigantic fraud.
35:06
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna tell you what the fraud is a
35:08
Speaker 2: lot of these equality initiatives, well, first they were framed
35:13
Speaker 2: as the inequality was not based on women's desires for
35:16
Speaker 2: men and the asymmetrical motivations that men and women have
35:22
Speaker 2: to achieve. No, it was based on active discrimination against women,
35:28
Speaker 2: which has never been proven, never been proven conclusively. So
35:32
Speaker 2: this is we're starting with faulty science. But that was
35:37
Speaker 2: the rationale this was sold. All of these equality initiatives
35:44
Speaker 2: were sold to men based on a lie about relationships
35:50
Speaker 2: and women, and that lie was that if women could
35:54
Speaker 2: rely on themselves, they would choose men as love competiions,
36:02
Speaker 2: not just economic beasts of burden. That was a lie,
36:07
Speaker 2: and all of this like the the you know boomer
36:10
Speaker 2: men didn't agree to this just because, oh women, women
36:14
Speaker 2: are hard done by. The sales pitch was that you
36:18
Speaker 2: would every every man would get a companionate marriage, a
36:22
Speaker 2: marriage of love and romance, a marriage in which the
36:26
Speaker 2: woman desired him sexually and loved him as a person.
36:30
Speaker 2: This was how it was sold, and that it was
36:32
Speaker 2: the economic sitution. It was women's economic dependency that prevented
36:38
Speaker 2: them from truly loving men. This was how it was
36:40
Speaker 2: sold to men. And what's the end result. Women have
36:46
Speaker 2: their economic dependency and what are they doing with it?
36:51
Speaker 1: Well, they're just serving themselves.
36:52
Speaker 2: Really well, they're not just serving themselves. They aren't even
36:55
Speaker 2: seeing having a companionate relationship with a man as being
37:00
Speaker 2: service to themselves. They're not using it to turn around
37:04
Speaker 2: and love men holy and freely. They're using it to
37:08
Speaker 2: turn around and demand more crap like selfish, unevolved, spiritually
37:13
Speaker 2: unenlightened people. And honestly, at this point, I wonder, what
37:19
Speaker 2: is the point of life for a woman. If it's
37:23
Speaker 2: not to love a man, I'm gonna just put it
37:26
Speaker 2: right out there. What's the point of your life? Is
37:29
Speaker 2: the next Gucci bag, the next condo, the next bullshit
37:35
Speaker 2: consumer item pre trash consumer item? Is that what your
37:38
Speaker 2: life is worth? Your life isn't worth a life of love,
37:42
Speaker 2: It's just to worth a life of pleathan crap that's
37:46
Speaker 2: going to rot and get eaten by maggots. That's your life.
37:51
Speaker 2: Just a trail of post petroleum products in a dumpster somewhere.
37:57
Speaker 2: That's your life, is it, Ladies? Congratulations? Sounds like it's
38:05
Speaker 2: just like that. Literally, that's it. That's what a woman
38:08
Speaker 2: in this West amounts to a thick vein of maggot
38:14
Speaker 2: ridden crap somewhere in a landfill. Congratulations. Yep, I'm sorry,
38:23
Speaker 2: I'm gonda you're saying yep.
38:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what I mean. Like it's yeah,
38:28
Speaker 1: I know. It's women we need, we need like women,
38:32
Speaker 1: they're they're not going to be happy either, Like this
38:35
Speaker 1: is not.
38:36
Speaker 2: Going to serve that they're already not happy.
38:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not happy, right, So.
38:40
Speaker 2: Miserable freaking generation of women in human history since women
38:44
Speaker 2: learn to write like ancient Rome, there has never been
38:48
Speaker 2: a more miserable generation of women. Female slaves in ancient
38:53
Speaker 2: Rome were probably happier considering that one of them got
38:57
Speaker 2: like a pound of gold on her arm. There's a
39:00
Speaker 2: gift from her master, you know.
39:03
Speaker 1: Yep.
39:04
Speaker 2: Like, honestly, this system is perfect for creating miserable women
39:11
Speaker 2: and lonely men. And that's about it. And honestly, you know,
39:15
Speaker 2: we could talk about a future and we could say, well,
39:19
Speaker 2: you know, we're we're running into a disaster because of immigration,
39:23
Speaker 2: because of low birth rates. But I think that if
39:26
Speaker 2: this continues, nobody's gonna want to invest in a system
39:30
Speaker 2: whose primary products are loneliness and misery. Who wants to
39:36
Speaker 2: be part of that? Okay?
39:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So well that's okay. So that's that's
39:44
Speaker 1: the study you sent me like a Twitter thing too.
39:48
Speaker 1: Is this related explanation for the rise and fall of
39:52
Speaker 1: the baby boom? I don't know.
39:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could take a look, We could take a
39:56
Speaker 2: look at it.
39:57
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So let me put this. This is
39:59
Speaker 1: from x J Man. Makes this post an explanation for
40:04
Speaker 1: the rise and fall of the baby boom? Was it
40:06
Speaker 1: explained by men's status improving relative to women's?
40:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, So after the Wars, there was a lot
40:15
Speaker 2: of initiative to get men into into position, like get
40:20
Speaker 2: in into like education. And then also because of the education,
40:25
Speaker 2: there were more men in like white collar jobs, professional jobs.
40:29
Speaker 2: And also because the economic stabilization, I think after the Wars,
40:35
Speaker 2: there was a lot more opportunity for like innovation and
40:40
Speaker 2: like infrastructure work and that kind of stuff. So, yeah,
40:43
Speaker 2: it's entirely possible that the baby boom was a result
40:45
Speaker 2: of the fact that men's status increased remarkably relative to women's.
40:53
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's entirely possible. So the real question and
40:57
Speaker 2: the thing is that women are happier, Like they feel
41:01
Speaker 2: happier in a relationship with a higher status man. And
41:04
Speaker 2: you know what, it doesn't matter how this is resolved,
41:09
Speaker 2: right if men gain higher status and women are happier
41:13
Speaker 2: to be in relationships with men who bring something to
41:16
Speaker 2: the table, which they think they are, I mean, you
41:19
Speaker 2: can resolve it that way, or women can grow up
41:25
Speaker 2: and realize we're on this The only thing that's worth
41:28
Speaker 2: doing on this earth is love. That's it. Like everything else,
41:35
Speaker 2: Like everything else is like your your stupid pleather mini skirts.
41:40
Speaker 2: You're three dozen pairs of shoes like all of that.
41:46
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a distraction, sure, I mean it could
41:48
Speaker 2: be entertaining. I'm not saying that entertainment is bad, but
41:51
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, is it worth giving
41:55
Speaker 2: up love? What else are we here for?
41:59
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean well I I yeah, I mean
42:02
Speaker 1: I think that women are trying to fill a hole
42:06
Speaker 1: with stuff that no pun intended. They're trying to fill
42:10
Speaker 1: a hole with stuff and they're not like they're It's
42:14
Speaker 1: making them more miserable no matter how much they get,
42:16
Speaker 1: which is why they just want more and then and
42:18
Speaker 1: the girl math thing doesn't help, like no one of
42:21
Speaker 1: the One of the things that this guy in this
42:23
Speaker 1: tweet thread says, which I think is pretty interesting, he says,
42:27
Speaker 1: the baby the baby boom was a marriage boom. Men
42:31
Speaker 1: have never had it better comparatively speaking, even low status
42:35
Speaker 1: men did fairly well. This is because men's status went
42:38
Speaker 1: up considerably far ahead of women's and in a way
42:42
Speaker 1: like this is something that a lot of women today
42:44
Speaker 1: don't want to hear. But when men are doing better
42:47
Speaker 1: than women, I think that women are better off in
42:52
Speaker 1: a way because they feel what they're looking for is security, right,
42:56
Speaker 1: and and if they're if they're making more than men,
43:02
Speaker 1: then they're gonna feel like they need to make even,
43:04
Speaker 1: like mentioned I even more. That's where the girl math
43:06
Speaker 1: comes in. That's why when you ask women how much
43:09
Speaker 1: they want from men, they just pick these numbers out
43:11
Speaker 1: of thin air, like, you know, two hundred and fifty
43:14
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year, like it doesn't mean anything, because
43:17
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It's like a relative thing. You know. They're
43:21
Speaker 1: looking at what the other girl has and she's like, well,
43:24
Speaker 1: at least what she's got or more. And they're being
43:27
Speaker 1: told about like all of the ways that women are
43:30
Speaker 1: making all this money and like, you know, getting with
43:32
Speaker 1: these really great men, and so women think, oh, I
43:34
Speaker 1: should be able to get that, and they buy into
43:37
Speaker 1: this delusion and they start making unreasonable demands because they're
43:41
Speaker 1: not being rational. And when men say, well, dude, I
43:44
Speaker 1: can't I if I make fifty grand a year, I'm
43:47
Speaker 1: freaking thrilled, you know, and they're like, well, that's that's
43:51
Speaker 1: that's you're a buster. You're broke. So it doesn't help, right.
43:54
Speaker 1: So when it seems that during the time the baby boom,
44:00
Speaker 1: men were like higher in general, they were doing better,
44:05
Speaker 1: and women were happier and they were having more kids
44:07
Speaker 1: because men's status relative to women was higher, not in general.
44:13
Speaker 1: So and I think that like, no one's saying we
44:16
Speaker 1: have to go back to that, because that's like that
44:18
Speaker 1: ship has sailed. But if we're gonna have an honest
44:21
Speaker 1: conversation about like how to address this problem, we should
44:25
Speaker 1: be looking at this stuff and asking ourselves, like, what
44:29
Speaker 1: is what is reasonable for women to expect because that's
44:33
Speaker 1: the only thing we can talk about. We can't talk
44:35
Speaker 1: about what men should be doing. We've been saying that
44:38
Speaker 1: for hundreds of years and it's only gotten harder for them.
44:42
Speaker 1: So that's not going to be the answer to the question.
44:44
Speaker 1: It's not what men are gonna do, it's what women
44:46
Speaker 1: are gonna do. That's the only way this is going
44:48
Speaker 1: to move forward. And I'm finding that more and more people,
44:51
Speaker 1: by the way, are recognizing that, which is like I'm
44:56
Speaker 1: happy about. But anyway, those are my thoughts on that.
45:01
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that half the human race actually has something
45:04
Speaker 2: that they need to do. The half that pretty much
45:06
Speaker 2: controls our social habits are expectations of ourselves who who
45:11
Speaker 2: we identify with. The the decline in patriotism and Christianity
45:17
Speaker 2: probably directly attributed to uh, to women no longer investing
45:22
Speaker 2: in those things h and okay so and and now
45:26
Speaker 2: investing in left liberal causes Like this is driven by women,
45:32
Speaker 2: all of them, all, all of the all of the
45:35
Speaker 2: purpose in society appears to be driven by women. And
45:39
Speaker 2: I and I sort of get it, like it's sometimes
45:41
Speaker 2: it feels like life is a little bit purposelessness in
45:44
Speaker 2: this post modern capitalist dystopia or corporatists. No, uh, I
45:52
Speaker 2: want to use the word fascist in its proper term,
45:54
Speaker 2: which is the unholy fusion between corp but I know
45:59
Speaker 2: that that'll be miss misunderstood. But yeah, this this kind
46:03
Speaker 2: of corporate government fusion dystopia. Yeah, actually Lucas got it
46:07
Speaker 2: from the closest. I don't know if you guys know,
46:10
Speaker 2: but you should take a look at th h X
46:12
Speaker 2: one one three eight, I believe is what he called it.
46:14
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think he.
46:16
Speaker 2: I think he got pretty close. Yeah, just like that,
46:19
Speaker 2: the worst parts of communism and the worst parts of
46:23
Speaker 2: capitalism all combined in a horrific bureaucratic hellscape. That's what
46:29
Speaker 2: he created. By the way, Lucas really hates bureaucracy. I
46:32
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys have noticed that I've recently
46:37
Speaker 2: done on a Lucas kick, so I have a new
46:40
Speaker 2: found appreciation George Lucas.
46:42
Speaker 1: Guys, George Lucas.
46:43
Speaker 2: Yes, George Lucas. Sorry, but yeah, it's uh he I think.
46:49
Speaker 1: Is that movie with the swords and the and the
46:51
Speaker 1: space ships? I can't remember the swords fails me.
46:56
Speaker 2: No, he's he's actually uh he's. I think people don't
46:59
Speaker 2: have creciate him enough. And like I said, I think
47:02
Speaker 2: his dystopian his in the Dystopian Sweek stakes, I think
47:06
Speaker 2: Lucas got closest to the what actually ended up happening.
47:11
Speaker 2: But anyway, moving on from Lucas, George, you know, George
47:16
Speaker 2: Lucas and Star Wars. Uh yeah, this is uh. I mean,
47:21
Speaker 2: what's the point, What's the point of being alive except
47:25
Speaker 2: you know, the love that you give and receive.
47:30
Speaker 1: Well again, I think that this is what and I
47:32
Speaker 1: know we keep coming back to this whenever we talk
47:35
Speaker 1: about this stuff, but what women need and they they
47:40
Speaker 1: are really afraid of. But I think what they need
47:42
Speaker 1: is is a sense of duty. Do you do you
47:46
Speaker 1: t y yes, duty to to their civilization? Like no
47:52
Speaker 1: one's saying you have to love a man at random,
47:55
Speaker 1: But what are you here for? Like, if you have
47:57
Speaker 1: a sense of duty a mission to you know, do
48:01
Speaker 1: something good for the world in some way, I think
48:03
Speaker 1: that that's going to be better for you than just
48:05
Speaker 1: like acquiring garbage and like, you know, and women are
48:09
Speaker 1: the biggest consumers and I think that a lot of
48:14
Speaker 1: people exploit that. But we can't change them. They have
48:17
Speaker 1: to change themselves.
48:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be a choice, yeah, reckoning, Like
48:22
Speaker 2: women really need to decide what it is that they're
48:25
Speaker 2: going to prioritize in their lives. And if it's material
48:29
Speaker 2: crap and status and cloute, yeah, then because here's the thing,
48:36
Speaker 2: the only thing I think ultimately that women could and
48:40
Speaker 2: I honestly so sometimes I do hope that they get
48:43
Speaker 2: really really lifelike sex bots and AI because it will
48:50
Speaker 2: force women to realize that they need to bring something
48:55
Speaker 2: And what can you bring except love? That's the only
48:59
Speaker 2: thing that AI I won't do.
49:02
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
49:03
Speaker 2: It will not it just it's it is a machine.
49:08
Speaker 2: It will not love you. It won't make you a priority.
49:12
Speaker 2: I mean it'll it'll it can be programmed to do so.
49:16
Speaker 2: And the problem today is that I don't know women
49:22
Speaker 2: just haven't evolved past that kind of economic focus on
49:26
Speaker 2: their relationships. Yeah look, look but I you don't need
49:31
Speaker 2: the bag full of food. The food is over there
49:33
Speaker 2: in the bowl. Go go to the go to the bull, god,
49:38
Speaker 2: go down down. Sorry, ed. My cat was was howling
49:43
Speaker 2: for food, and now I've given her food in the
49:46
Speaker 2: bowl in the bowl here in the bowl right down. Yes,
49:49
Speaker 2: good and uh she wanted to get it out of
49:53
Speaker 2: the bag.
49:54
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
49:56
Speaker 2: Possibly just because you know she's a cat. All right.
50:00
Speaker 1: So yeah, so J Man had some things to say.
50:03
Speaker 1: I wanted to read really quick. Okay, the guy who
50:06
Speaker 1: sent this x account that posted these statistics about the
50:10
Speaker 1: baby boom and how much better it was for men
50:14
Speaker 1: back then. J Men says everyone was happier with this arrangement.
50:18
Speaker 1: For men, wives were easy to afford, and for women,
50:20
Speaker 1: high status men at least higher than their own were plentiful,
50:25
Speaker 1: people married early and had plenty of children. The low
50:29
Speaker 1: relative status of men compared to women today is a
50:31
Speaker 1: function of how well off women are and how poorly
50:35
Speaker 1: off men are. All the dating discourse griping by both
50:39
Speaker 1: sexes fits perfectly here. Men want more status, women want
50:43
Speaker 1: those high status men of course, there is no fixing
50:46
Speaker 1: this problem now. Women aren't going to give up their
50:48
Speaker 1: ability to earn their own money and rely on fortunes
50:51
Speaker 1: of men, because that's what it is right. Women want
50:53
Speaker 1: to earn their own money and they want men's money
50:58
Speaker 1: as well. Yes, you're your own bag while getting that bag.
51:02
Speaker 1: I can't well, I can't. I don't see anything that
51:04
Speaker 1: will raise men's status relative to women. The solution isn't
51:09
Speaker 1: to return to patriarchal marriage. For one, that's simply not
51:12
Speaker 1: even in the cards with the current sex balances, STA
51:15
Speaker 1: and status. We may be better off adapting to low
51:18
Speaker 1: fertility and limiting the impact by curtailing immigration slash end. Well,
51:24
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was in response to something else,
51:26
Speaker 1: but we got to go ahead.
51:28
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm just thinking about because we talked about,
51:31
Speaker 2: you know, get secure your bag, get his bag manifestel?
51:37
Speaker 2: What guy's going to sign on to that? Are you?
51:39
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess there are men who fetishize being
51:42
Speaker 2: exploited economically, but from them, like, who's going to sign
51:48
Speaker 2: on to a manifestel? It's obvious that that love is
51:52
Speaker 2: not on the table, So why would you take on
51:54
Speaker 2: such an economic liability for a woman who I mean,
52:00
Speaker 2: I can understand like a you know, a trophy wife,
52:04
Speaker 2: but you would imagine that a trophy wife would be
52:07
Speaker 2: really really good looking, right I mean, and and also
52:12
Speaker 2: be you know, I have charm and be exceptionally good
52:16
Speaker 2: with social situations and that kind of thing. Like I'm
52:20
Speaker 2: thinking like French courtisan type, like upper tier, top one
52:24
Speaker 2: percent woman like manifestel is nowhere near that, and neither
52:30
Speaker 2: is her audience. So what I mean you'd like, I'm thinking,
52:35
Speaker 2: like you'd really have to be high up there as
52:37
Speaker 2: a woman to just think that all you have to
52:39
Speaker 2: offer is your looks, like you have to be a supermodel. Yeah,
52:46
Speaker 2: that doesn't seem to be the case anymore, you know
52:50
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like in this nineties, you would never
52:52
Speaker 2: you would never, like a woman would never expect this
52:55
Speaker 2: kind of a deal for being a mid mm hmm. No,
53:01
Speaker 2: you actually have to be a partner. You have to
53:03
Speaker 2: be a friend. You can't just sit there like a
53:05
Speaker 2: trophy and be of a complete economic black hole, in
53:09
Speaker 2: which case you're not really an economic black hole, because
53:13
Speaker 2: having a woman like on that on your arms can
53:15
Speaker 2: improve your business, you know what I mean. Yeah, social relationships. Okay,
53:22
Speaker 2: it's right there, it's in the bowl. It's easily accessible
53:26
Speaker 2: in the bowl. Here, look bull food eat it. Okay, yeah, okay,
53:33
Speaker 2: Tory cat cat Okay.
53:39
Speaker 1: Nah. That's that's basically the whole the whole thing. I
53:42
Speaker 1: think the only I mean, I don't know what that
53:44
Speaker 1: guy's proposal is, but I think the only thing is
53:48
Speaker 1: that I think that women should know what they're getting
53:50
Speaker 1: into if they're choosing to be like, you know, like
53:55
Speaker 1: career chasing women. But maybe the problem is maybe so
54:00
Speaker 1: women generally look for the best deal, right, they kind
54:05
Speaker 1: of minmax life, and they're looking at the men that
54:09
Speaker 1: are around them, and they're trying to pick the best
54:11
Speaker 1: of those men, and those are the men that they pursue.
54:14
Speaker 1: They do this without knowing where they stand in like
54:18
Speaker 1: you know, whether or not they're they're essentially hitting above
54:20
Speaker 1: their class or whatever. And maybe because everything's gone the
54:26
Speaker 1: global in terms of like the internet and stuff, it's
54:29
Speaker 1: only expanded that so much to the point where it's
54:33
Speaker 1: completely unreasonable and women need to get a wake up call.
54:38
Speaker 1: And I think it has to come from men. And
54:40
Speaker 1: I think, like I'm not saying that men have to
54:42
Speaker 1: do it, but I think that men have to stop.
54:46
Speaker 1: They have to they have to call women out on
54:49
Speaker 1: their like, you know, let's say, over the top behavior,
54:54
Speaker 1: and I think other women should do it too. And
54:56
Speaker 1: somebody in the chat said that, like, why don't their
54:59
Speaker 1: mothers tell them of this? Because mine told me that.
55:01
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that's another thing though, that I think
55:04
Speaker 1: that that's changed a lot because of the you know,
55:08
Speaker 1: if you look at how the family has kind of
55:11
Speaker 1: like let's say, started to fall apart, not not everywhere,
55:17
Speaker 1: but you know, it's starting to happen. Women need wisdom
55:22
Speaker 1: and they that's what I'm basically getting at. They need
55:25
Speaker 1: the wisdom to understand that they can't have it all.
55:29
Speaker 1: Pursuing a career might not make them happy, like that
55:33
Speaker 1: they should at least consider that they don't have as
55:38
Speaker 1: much to fear as they think, because that's kind of
55:40
Speaker 1: why I think women go into career jobs because they
55:43
Speaker 1: feel like they have to be self sustaining, because they
55:45
Speaker 1: don't trust men enough to take care of them or
55:48
Speaker 1: help them. So if you think about it, like all
55:52
Speaker 1: those factors, I think that's one of the reasons, if
55:55
Speaker 1: not the primary reason, that women are in such a
55:59
Speaker 1: mess right now. Because they don't trust men. They think that,
56:04
Speaker 1: you know, they measure their worth based on their their
56:08
Speaker 1: you know, financial situation, and they don't. They think that
56:14
Speaker 1: they not only can pursue a career and have it all,
56:17
Speaker 1: but that they should have it all.
56:20
Speaker 2: You think about it, in the past, the fact that
56:22
Speaker 2: men brought this particular thing to the table meant that
56:26
Speaker 2: women needed to trust them to do their role.
56:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, which yourself would have.
56:30
Speaker 2: Strengthened the relationship even if it started out purely economic rights.
56:38
Speaker 2: So what's ended up happening is that women trust men
56:41
Speaker 2: less and less and less because they're not called upon
56:43
Speaker 2: to trust them, and it's breaking down relationships more and
56:47
Speaker 2: more and more. I had this thought, you know what,
56:55
Speaker 2: we could talk about it another time, because you probably
56:57
Speaker 2: need to to get to the patroon.
56:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta do the patron show. We're gonna we're gonna
57:02
Speaker 1: get to the patron.
57:03
Speaker 2: Shower, said Richard. Bierre said Manifestel would be a participation trophy.
57:08
Speaker 2: Wife m out oh, man, that's pretty good though.
57:16
Speaker 1: Burn yeah, not not not a bad burn, not a.
57:19
Speaker 2: Bad burn, all right. So I got a cat who
57:25
Speaker 2: really wants the food inside the bag and does not
57:27
Speaker 2: want the food. I swear to God, I'm not holding
57:29
Speaker 2: out on her. This is there is food in this bowl,
57:32
Speaker 2: and she wants the food in the bag. Mhm, what
57:37
Speaker 2: can I say. She's a cat.
57:39
Speaker 1: She's a cat. She's gonna get what she wants.
57:41
Speaker 2: Yea, eventually, all right, I even put the food like
57:44
Speaker 2: I took the bag and I put the food in
57:46
Speaker 2: the bowl. And no, if there's food that she's inaccessible
57:50
Speaker 2: to her, she wishes to have that. All right. So
57:55
Speaker 2: if you want to send us a message at any
57:58
Speaker 2: point after the show is over, we still receive them,
58:01
Speaker 2: and it goes into our patron discord. Of course, nobody
58:03
Speaker 2: sent any messages this time. You guys are quiets, just
58:06
Speaker 2: like February. Oh it's Wednesday. It's the hump day. Nobody
58:13
Speaker 2: wants to do anything on hump Day.
58:15
Speaker 1: Oh.
58:15
Speaker 2: And also for some reason, all of the just suddenly,
58:20
Speaker 2: all of the chats in this the vertical stream just
58:24
Speaker 2: disappeared for no apparent reason. Oh it's just gone.
58:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see it. I see ABC d EFG saying hello,
58:32
Speaker 1: what is this?
58:34
Speaker 2: It is men's issues, where we talk about things that
58:37
Speaker 2: men face, and today we're we're talking about how apparently
58:42
Speaker 2: men's poverty causes women to be most affected.
58:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know poor men men being broke is
58:48
Speaker 1: men's problem and women are the real victims.
58:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, of that, but we are almost to the end here,
58:55
Speaker 2: so I shouldn't have used the E word. So anyway,
58:58
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59:16
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59:21
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59:24
Speaker 1: oh no, you lost jou with him. He's like going
59:28
Speaker 1: too fast for me. No, he just repositioned. He's still sleeping.
59:33
Speaker 2: Okay, well he's he's certainly a much easier to do.
59:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's easy, easy to work.
59:40
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