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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, February 18 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Wars did you don't check what Jack Warris? Did you?
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  Speaker 1: Jackuars Drive Time, Ryan Sex steps to John Oh. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time starts right now. Happy Tuesday morning. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: into Jaguars Drive Time, brought to you by Jet Home
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  Speaker 1: Loans this morning in the off season. Getting kind of
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  Speaker 1: busy this week though, as we get ready to head
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  Speaker 1: to the NFL Combine next Monday. No show next week's
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk a lot about the Combine on this episode.
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  Speaker 1: But first, boys, how was your weekend? It was great.
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  Speaker 1: I came in yesterday, which was awesome. You did why? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody told me? As president? So I pulled up to
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  Speaker 1: the parking lot? And who did you blame for that?
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  Speaker 1: You dare we not set an email reminding philosophy is
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  Speaker 1: when in doubt, blame others. So did you walk into
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  Speaker 1: the building or did you see the empty parking lot?
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  Speaker 1: I walked into the building and just sort of double
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  Speaker 1: check because I was fuse at that point. Um. Well,
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  Speaker 1: often we are traveling to the Combine on President's Day,
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  Speaker 1: and this year we left it didn't fall that way. No,
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  Speaker 1: I knew the combine wasn't this week, but it was nice.
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  Speaker 1: It was quiet. It's quiet. I got some office supplies,
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  Speaker 1: you thought, Max. And that's what I do when I'm
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  Speaker 1: here alone. You steal the office other people's office supplies.
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  Speaker 1: So it was hence why my pencil cups empty. It
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  Speaker 1: was a good day, lovely day. Now I know who
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  Speaker 1: to blame, well, I always blame others, of course. All right,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into big things, shall we Heading to the
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  Speaker 1: Combine next Monday. Big thing one is doug In Day.
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  Speaker 1: We will hear from head coach Doug Ron and general
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  Speaker 1: manager Dave Cogwell next Tuesday at the NFL Combine. If
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  Speaker 1: your call. Last year, that press conference at the Combine,
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  Speaker 1: that's when we found out that Marcel Darry is gonna
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  Speaker 1: stay at Jacksonville Jaguar had met with Dave Cogwell, and
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  Speaker 1: that was a big moment at the Combine, and that
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  Speaker 1: was big news coming out of that combiny. So maybe
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  Speaker 1: we'll find out some news about Unique and dock Way,
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  Speaker 1: Kalis Campbell. Perhaps hopefully something comes out of that press
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  Speaker 1: conference next Tuesday. Big thing to new staff and new hirings.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't talked a lot about the new offensive Cordier,
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  Speaker 1: a new quarterback coach on this fine program. Jay Gruden,
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  Speaker 1: Ben macadoo both joining the Jaguar staff. Ben McAdoo. Who's
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  Speaker 1: gonna coach Gardner? Minshew nick Foles. We don't know Jay Gruden,
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  Speaker 1: what is his offensive philosophy gonna be? Don't know that
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  Speaker 1: as well. What we do know is that this was
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  Speaker 1: Doug Brown's decision to bring in these two guys he
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  Speaker 1: had the power to hire. This staff. Will talk much
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  Speaker 1: more about that. Finally, Big Thing three prospects, our first
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  Speaker 1: look at who could potentially be the first round draft
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  Speaker 1: pick of the Jaguars next week at the NFL Combine,
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  Speaker 1: And as we were getting prepared for the Combine last week, guys,
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  Speaker 1: it's funny to look last year at the list of
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  Speaker 1: targets of guys who wanted to pay attention to. T J. Hawkinson,
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  Speaker 1: no big time tight ends. Josh Allen wasn't even on
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  Speaker 1: that list of guys to even pay attention to at
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  Speaker 1: the COMMA because we thought there is no way he
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  Speaker 1: is there for the Jaguars to take. So it shows
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  Speaker 1: that as much as you want to prepare for this
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  Speaker 1: compin in all the draft prospects, most likely something will
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  Speaker 1: shake out that you don't expect. Well, especially at number nine.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the lower you get in the first round, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: the more can happen in front of you. So I
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  Speaker 1: imagine we'll be looking at defensive tackles, offensive tackles next week,
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  Speaker 1: maybe some cornerbacks. But when you're picking nine and twenty,
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  Speaker 1: you have general ideas, but you don't know for sure.
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  Speaker 1: With here well, and I think that the quarterback crop
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  Speaker 1: in this year's class. Obviously Burrow was sitting there at
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  Speaker 1: the top. But you know, whatever to ends up doing
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  Speaker 1: in terms of workout. Um, justin Herbert, was he the
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  Speaker 1: star of the Senior Bowl. I mean, he certainly was
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  Speaker 1: one of the bigger stories coming out of the Senior Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: With these guys, and who knows what Jordan's love does,
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  Speaker 1: but he's got a lot of attention to You could
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  Speaker 1: find teams that are vaulting up ahead of you and
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  Speaker 1: driving players down the board, because a run on quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: is entirely possible, right. I think offensive tackles another one.
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  Speaker 1: It probably doesn't start that high, but you never know
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  Speaker 1: how these guys great out, so trying to decide who
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  Speaker 1: will slide, but someone will. There'll be someone sitting there
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  Speaker 1: at nine that you don't expect because it's seven. Last
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  Speaker 1: year was a guy that no one could have thought
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  Speaker 1: would have fallen that far. It wasn't even on the list.
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  Speaker 1: We had a list probably a thirty guys to pay
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  Speaker 1: attended to go to their press conference. Wasn't even on
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  Speaker 1: the list. And it's funny to look at that list
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  Speaker 1: and say, where did this guy even? And now you know,
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  Speaker 1: I point out again, I'm on the phone in Nashville
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  Speaker 1: and I'm being told to go look for t J. Hockinson.
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  Speaker 1: And then it was hold on, wait stop. The Giants
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  Speaker 1: had just made the selection and Josh Allen was there
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  Speaker 1: and it changed. So you were right on target last
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  Speaker 1: year with Hockinson. It's just that that unexpected occurrence changes
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  Speaker 1: all the plans. And if that's the case, you hope
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  Speaker 1: that they go with best player available again this year.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing that is interesting about the combine is that
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  Speaker 1: the behind the curtain gossip talk of the week. We
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  Speaker 1: all know that happens where you all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: see a bunch of trades happening the week after the
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  Speaker 1: NFL Combine, Guys talking at restaurants and the bathroom line.
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  Speaker 1: That stuff happens at the Combine. So possibly something could
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  Speaker 1: happened with maybe a Nick Foles trade something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we know the Jaguars are dealing with cap
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  Speaker 1: issues space, Maybe something like that happens next week. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's always a conversation like that. I are big thing
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  Speaker 1: one is you know what Doug and Dave will say. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you never know what to expect. I wouldn't expect them
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  Speaker 1: to have unique and got way news on that front.
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  Speaker 1: That's in. That's a negotiation, that's a pretty high profile.
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  Speaker 1: The Marcel thing was a renegotiation that he sort of
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  Speaker 1: came to the teams that I want to stay. How
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  Speaker 1: do we make this work? Was how Dave put it. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I would expect him to be asked about Calais Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: I expected to be asked about Marcel Again, these guys,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that when this they have a bombshell moment.
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  Speaker 1: But usually those combine talks are more about the GM
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  Speaker 1: than the head coach. The head coaches, you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: not much that he can say in terms of news
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  Speaker 1: personnel wise, usually follows the GM. So Dave's press commence
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  Speaker 1: next week usually has a couple of nuggets and I
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  Speaker 1: expect more of a Usually when Dave talks at that
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  Speaker 1: you get more of a feeling about what they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: do rather than hard news, Hey, this is what we're
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  Speaker 1: doing X player, why players Z player wether three weeks
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  Speaker 1: out when Dave talks from the start of free agency.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they can say anything about Yawn until
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  Speaker 1: they decide what they're doing with Campbell R right. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that to me is the interesting lynch pin, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you say chicken or the egg. Do you
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and agree to a deal with Yawn and
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  Speaker 1: then figure out what you're doing with Campbell? Or do
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  Speaker 1: you figure out what you're doing with Campbell and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, attack it? Um. But no matter what they do,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna have to create some cap room in order
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  Speaker 1: to be able to get Unique and Gockquay under the
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  Speaker 1: cap so to make this whole thing work. Um. That
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  Speaker 1: one feels to me like we will be in training
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  Speaker 1: camp still wondering about Unique and Godoys, and I would
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  Speaker 1: be surprised that under the tag, and I'd be surprised
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  Speaker 1: if he likes that. Um. In fact, that might be
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  Speaker 1: the answer. Next week. You that you hear, you may
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  Speaker 1: hear what we're prepared to use the tag if we
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  Speaker 1: can't get something done. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he
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  Speaker 1: will say if they having anything done, I'm sure say
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  Speaker 1: they're prepared to. I think it's that day, that it's
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  Speaker 1: the first day they can do it, but they don't
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  Speaker 1: have to do it until I think it's March ten.
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  Speaker 1: So he'll be asked about it, and I'm sure the
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  Speaker 1: story will be Dave calledwell says things are a possibility. Well,
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  Speaker 1: everything's possibility. But I'm sure he'll say that, you know
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  Speaker 1: you have mentioned Gardner Minshew as well. Will there be
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  Speaker 1: any news there. I just don't think from a negotiating standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: from a trade standpoint, you say anything about him at
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  Speaker 1: all that you know their stance has been. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we'll have two quarterbacks and will be competing with two quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 1: Whether it's you know that your conversation with shod Khan
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  Speaker 1: or you know Doug and Dave and what they've said today.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you're gonna get anything for Nick Foles,
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  Speaker 1: you have to let people know that you you're prepared
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  Speaker 1: to go to camp with him, and it's not just
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  Speaker 1: gonna be given away. The message has been clear on
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  Speaker 1: all fronts from multiple people. Two quarterbacks is just fine. Right,
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  Speaker 1: it's got to be a fair deal. It's got to
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  Speaker 1: be something that works for both sides. So I would
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  Speaker 1: think if you're still gonna get the Hey, we've got
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  Speaker 1: two quarterbacks and we're prepared to play with whichever one
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  Speaker 1: can win the job. Right, So let's go to big
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  Speaker 1: three prospects. We're making the list of guys to pay
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  Speaker 1: attention to at the combine, and these three guys stand
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  Speaker 1: out above the rest, especially with the mock draft. John,
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  Speaker 1: I read your lovely article on Jaguars dot com. This
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  Speaker 1: guy was mocked the Jaguars at number ninety of Derek Brown,
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  Speaker 1: Javon Kinlaw, and Andrew Thomas as three guys to definitely
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  Speaker 1: pay attention to, especially at the combine next week. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many right now I've done I think to
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  Speaker 1: mock drafts kin Law and Derek Brown from Auburn, we're
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  Speaker 1: guys that came up. I'm sure as I if if
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  Speaker 1: I do a three or four more, I'm sure there
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  Speaker 1: will be other guys who make sense. Offensive tackles are
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  Speaker 1: going to be mocked to them, cornerbacks are gonna be
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  Speaker 1: mocked to them. Jeff Acuda, I think you pronounce the
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  Speaker 1: name from my home state. Uh, he's so far up
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  Speaker 1: most teams. Draft boy, you wouldn't think he can get
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  Speaker 1: to nine. He could be a guy who slides. You've
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  Speaker 1: seen him and mocks um. These are some of the
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  Speaker 1: guys people are talking about as possibilities. And I always
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  Speaker 1: mock draft mock is the big work and they mean nothing.
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  Speaker 1: They're interesting to talk about. But it wouldn't shock me
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  Speaker 1: if one of these two guys in Jaguars uniform and
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  Speaker 1: uh April, because they just makes sense. Well, but most
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  Speaker 1: folks seem to think that Derek Brown is going to
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  Speaker 1: be gone well before nine. However, I'll go back to
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  Speaker 1: Leonard Williams was the big name, the big tackle from
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  Speaker 1: USC that most people thought was the number one overall
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  Speaker 1: defensive player, and he slid the six. This would be
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  Speaker 1: a situation if if Brown is there, I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: a run with his name on a card to the
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  Speaker 1: commissioner and get this one done. Because he is so
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  Speaker 1: big and so strong. He when you watch him on tape,
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  Speaker 1: you see a guy that he kind of has a
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  Speaker 1: Baselli frame. You know, there's great, big, long arms and power.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody gets into his body. He keeps him out here
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  Speaker 1: and he has power out here where most guys don't.
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  Speaker 1: If he gets there, you run to it, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a chance he could get there. But to me, he
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  Speaker 1: only gets there if if the quarterback run happens and
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  Speaker 1: you've got guys trading up. Yeah. Yeah, but if you've
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  Speaker 1: got potentially three quarterbacks, he could go. He could happen.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that could easily happen, and teams do odd
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  Speaker 1: things as we saw. Nobody thought Josh Allen was going
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  Speaker 1: to be there. And all you need is one need
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  Speaker 1: is one pin fall and then one more team at
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  Speaker 1: eight that doesn't write, you know, and all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden he's there. He would be this year's Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 1: That that would be a major coup if he is
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  Speaker 1: sitting there, And from what I talked to people that
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  Speaker 1: I've talked to, Javon Kinlaw would be no consolation prize.
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  Speaker 1: He's a terrific player too. All Right, we will see
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  Speaker 1: what happens NFL Combine next week. We will be there
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  Speaker 1: Time Tuesday morning, heading into the zone. Mail bag right
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  Speaker 1: here in Jacksonville, John, right in the John. So how
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  Speaker 1: did so many conclude from a four game span after
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  Speaker 1: recovering from injury and playing with a suspect offensive line
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  Speaker 1: that Nick fools More from a clutch Super Bowl MVP
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  Speaker 1: quarterback to a has been Are we being a little
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  Speaker 1: quick to judge here? Well? A little too quick to
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  Speaker 1: judge is the world we live in. And so that's
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  Speaker 1: that's what happened. Is he played a good eleven plays.
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  Speaker 1: Uh struggled when he came back at mid season with
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  Speaker 1: a It's the age old things. It's what is what
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  Speaker 1: we talked about every offseason for a long time around here. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: What caused the struggle was that the quarterback was it
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  Speaker 1: was going on around him. Uh, nick Foles for three games,
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  Speaker 1: played sort of the way that Blake Bortles and Blaine
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  Speaker 1: Gabbert and all these other storylines we've had for a
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  Speaker 1: decade where you spend the offseason thinking, well, did this
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  Speaker 1: guy struggle because of this? Because it X because of
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  Speaker 1: hy Um. I don't think Nick Foles is a bad quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: I think he played in the team, played poorly around,
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  Speaker 1: so he's gonna get the blame. Uh. It struck me.
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  Speaker 1: I was putting these those own questions together, and it
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  Speaker 1: struck me during this show and Brian, we've talked about
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  Speaker 1: at Ashland. I know less and am able to predict
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  Speaker 1: less about this team going in the next year than
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  Speaker 1: any team that I can remember around here. It just
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  Speaker 1: seems like everything is uncertain. You don't know the quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: When I think about the offensive line, there's two or
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  Speaker 1: three different ways that go on the offensive line. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure really what the biggest need is in the draft.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much uncertainty. It's a huge job that they have,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't even know that they know for sure
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  Speaker 1: Nick Foles or Minshew because they haven't even It seems
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  Speaker 1: like Jake Gruen has been here forever he's been here
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  Speaker 1: like three or four weeks, so he's been looking to tape.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard for sure what director they're going to quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: So well, I don't think you will. In answer to
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  Speaker 1: this question, Uh, unless they make a trade, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think you will. Yeah, we were too quick to judge,
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  Speaker 1: and I think some of this as much as fans.
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  Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about Minshew mensa, Minshew, I think
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  Speaker 1: this is still going to play out. Well. When I
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  Speaker 1: read that's my first reaction was you think because you
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  Speaker 1: remember at the time he came back and he didn't
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  Speaker 1: play well against Indianapolis, all right, and then he came
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  Speaker 1: back the next week and didn't play well, and back
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  Speaker 1: to back weeks, and then the Tampa game was an
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  Speaker 1: absolute I mean it was a disaster. It was a
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  Speaker 1: dumpster fire. The turnovers and down twenty five to nothing
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  Speaker 1: before you could even had to do something. They had
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  Speaker 1: they had to make the change with him. But no,
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  Speaker 1: when you look at at hit, at the few plays
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  Speaker 1: that we got from him in Miami in the preseason,
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  Speaker 1: and then the throw to Chark before he got injured
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  Speaker 1: to play that he got injured on against Kansas City,
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  Speaker 1: you saw a guy who could get the job done,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't doubt that he absolutely can get the
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  Speaker 1: job done. If we think that Minshew can play better
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  Speaker 1: with better offensive line play and a tight end, why
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  Speaker 1: can't we expect the same thing from a guy who's
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  Speaker 1: been a Super Bowl MVP right with a big arm. Yes, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: we were too quick to judge. But John, you said
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  Speaker 1: it right. In the in the world that we live
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  Speaker 1: in with social media and instant analysis in twenty four
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  Speaker 1: hour news cycles, it's all about having an opinion and
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  Speaker 1: getting that opinion out. It doesn't matter whether it's right
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  Speaker 1: or not. But the reality of it is is he's
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  Speaker 1: still a talented enough guy that this team could win
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  Speaker 1: with him this year. And as weird as it sounds, now,
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  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of scenarios where falls place quarterback next year?
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  Speaker 1: When's the job or you know, it's not like Minshew
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  Speaker 1: had such an incredibly consistent season last year that you
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  Speaker 1: could see him starting and just locking down the You know,
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  Speaker 1: if he struggles for a couple of games, would it
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  Speaker 1: shock you if the storyline in week eate next year
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  Speaker 1: is that Folds has come in and played very well
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  Speaker 1: as a backup kind of turned things around. That's sort
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: of what he's done his whole career. So we all
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: think we know it's gonna play. I can kind of think, men,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: she's going to be the guy. But this is a
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: guy who's been involved with weirder stories than him coming
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: back and playing well this year and being a very
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: good quarterback for this thing. If you want to know
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: what Fools is capable of, maybe that's wrong. What was it?
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: If you want to know what other people think, just
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: look around the league and see how many people are
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: putting him in different cities, you know, whether it's back
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: to Philadelphia or to Chicago, you know, anywhere where he
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: might be able to step into a quarterback situation and
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: improve it. There are a number of scenarios that were
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: out last week when Bill Barnewell did his his carousel
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: on on ESPN, which was very well done. Um, you know,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Carolina Chargers, Carolina, uh, Chicago, Philadelphia. There were
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of places where nick Fole's name came up.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: One of them was even New England. If Tom Brady
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't come back. So people still think very highly of
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: him in this and the Jaguars aren't in a bad
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: situation because they have a quarterback that people think highly of. Yea, yeah,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: and you wouldn't be surprised during training camp. Every day
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: we're coming back on the show talking about how they
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: dueled it out one in two reps. Who gets first
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: reps today? You could so see that happening. Remember what
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: we said last week, here is it talking to people
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: in the building. It isn't as if someone's going no, no no,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Minshew is the man right. No one is saying we
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: haven't heard that, No, we haven't heard that. People talking
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: about what they liked and what they still want to see.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: But it's not asificote. Here's our Deshaun Watson. His name
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: is Gardner Minshew. They're not doing that yet, which means
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: it's still open. If he gets to what Ashton talked about,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: which is very possible. Um Folds is gonna look better
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I think in a training camp situation than Minshew will,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: just because so much of what Minshew does is based
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: on when everything's live and he creates KAO. There's not
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: as much chaos in a training camp. Everything so scrypted
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: and the things that he does well count, by the way,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: and those are the real game things. And I'm not
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: knocking him, but in a training camp situation, Remember, Folds
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: look so much better last year, and and our gardener
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: looked like he might make the team, but when it
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: all came to count, then garden really stepped up. So
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: if it gets to that situation, is gonna be interesting
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: because you're gonna hear a lot of what we gotta
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: start falls because he looks so good, but you gotta
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: remember what the other kid did in the games. Gonna
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: be interesting. All right, let's go to Bryce. What do
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you have for us? Head coach dun Brown is clearly
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: bringing in guys who have experienced as leaders of a team.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: The move seem to make sense. Hopefully the new approach
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: can turn things around. Optimistic Bryce, yea, And this was
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: about our big thing too with Ben McAdoo and h
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Jay Gruden. Um, you know, I the point I would
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: make on these two guys, I don't know how big
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: a tangible difference you're gonna see what the quarterback position
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: because Ben mcadoos there. I don't know how you're going
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to measure that. Jay Gruden, you be able to judge
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: by the play calling if they had hired these two guys,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: If you had hired Ben McAdoo for this job in
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: two thousand was at seventeen when he got the Giants job.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: If you had hired Jay Gruden for this job, and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I think he got the Redskins job in two thousand fourteen,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: if you had hired these guys for these two positions
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: before they got their head coaching jobs, well A, you
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: couldn't have hired them for these positions because they were
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: too hot. They were the some of the best offensive
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: minds in the NFL at the time. Well that hasn't changed.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: There's still those minds. So um, I think Doug made
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: it clear after he hired Jay. They didn't think or
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: he didn't think, we had time to learn on the fly,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: didn't need coaches who had a learning curve, didn't need
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old offensive coordinator who was going
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to grow into the job. They need guys who can
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: help them win right now. If you had said before
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: at the end of last season, when everybody said, well,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: this is a lame duck situation, Doug Brown's got to
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: win now, nobody's gonna come. If you had told me
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: they could get Gruden and McAdoo for those two spots
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: in their situation, those two higher. They're absolutely the best
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: possible and I think they were a dream scenario. How
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: it works out, I don't know, you know, um So,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Ben McAdoo took over for Kevin Gilbride, former Jaguars offensive coordinator.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Great guy, good offensive mind, and the Giants in fifteen
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and sixteen climbed dramatically both in torrant terms of offensive
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: efficiency and in points. There were twenty eight in points
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: when he took over and they finished sixth in points.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: What do they miss? No, I just did a thing
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: on my coffee. I didn't mean to um okay for
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: what's gonna say? No, the Giants exploded offensively, and yeah,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: he was very highly regarded and he got the job.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: In part. The sense was he got the Giants job
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: because they felt like they couldn't afford to lose this
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: great offensive mind. And there was a lot of conversation
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: in sixteen with Tom having hired Ben, and that was
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the year that Tom allegedly gave Ben the entire offense
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: run your scheme. Would you never think of a coach
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: like Tom Coughlin would who was an offensive guy? Absolutely,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and yet he had enough confidence in Ben McAdoo. And
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: of course McAdoo came from a stint with Aaron Rodgers
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and Mike McCarthy, so he had a bit of a pedigree.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: It fell apart obviously in New York very quickly, and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: we've seen things fall apart quickly around here lately too.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Um Jay Gruden, I went back and I looked at
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the years he had terrific seasons, not like the the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: you know, explosion in terms of um rising up the
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: ranks or yards or point, but just really good offense
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: for what they were trying and right he was a
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: really really high regarded coordinator. And in Washington also he
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you know, in two thousand sixteen, I think he had
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the second best passing attack in professional football. So I mean,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: these are guys that over the course of their career
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: have distinguished themselves. Now, now here's the key. How did
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: they take the talent that's here or whatever are going
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: to add? How do they make it better? You don't know.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: You don't know. But if you had told me in
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: December that they would get two head coming and two
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: coaches with seven years of head coaching experience and with
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: accomplished you know people for years, well, why don't they
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: hire a coordinator? Who's done it. Well, these guys have
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: done it, So I don't know how it's gonna work.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: But I don't know that you were going to get
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: better highers than these two guys in this situation. I
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: think they're remarkable highers. Everybody says, well, why would Doug
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: hire somebody with head coaching experience is waiting to take
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: his job. Doug ain't thinking that one. Doug's thinking how
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: could he? He's confident in himself. He's thinking, how can
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I get these guys better right now? And these are
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: two good highers. What's remarkable two is is that you've
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: got two guys to come in on essentially what's a
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: one year deal, right, I mean it's year to year now.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: So that was a that was a heck of a
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: cell job by Maron to get these guys. And we said,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: what a great opportunities for coach Maron to bring in
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the guys that he truly wants, getting the power completely
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to him and saying hey, make the decisi and for
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: him to get both those guys. Pretty good job there.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to Jeff from Orange, California with
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the Jaguar seemingly having lots of needs to fill through
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the draft. Do you see this year as being more
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: probable than past years for a trade back in round
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: one to collect more picks. Um, it's always tough to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: predict trades because you have to have a partner. I think,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I think just makes sense. But my senses, if somebody
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: like Ken laarsony like Derrick Brown, you don't want to
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: trade too far back out of the top ten and
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: risks not getting that kind of a player, elite talent.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And often when we analyze the draft, people make the
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: mistake of saying so and so is a Round one
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: player and thinking they're all created equal. Some of this
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: falls the Tavin Bryan situation. Everybody said, well he he
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: was a complete bust, and they put him in the
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: same category as say, when you miss on Blake Bortles. Um,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: a twenty ninth overall pick is not remotely the same
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: thing like a second round as as a as a
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: five pick. So the point being, you don't want to
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: trade back out of nine, trade back to fifteen and
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: get a guy who's pretty good compared to Ken Law
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: or Brown who might be defense changing, So don't trade
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: too far back. But yeah, I guess there's a possibility.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And I think to your point earlier in the the show, Brian,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the chance of trading back to get a lot would
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: be if one of those quarterbacks is sitting there at
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: nine and you decide you don't want them. The quarterbacks
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: we're gonna make. There are enough offensive tackles in this
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: traft that no one's going to start a run at seven, right, Uh,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: sav thing with wide receivers. I mean there's wide receivers
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: way into the third round from you know what I
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: gather so far. There's not a tight end. There's not
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: a running back, you know, the the only position that's
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: going to drive your ability to go back as quarterback.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So follow the quarterback next week at the combine and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: throughout their workouts and see who climbs. Oh. I have
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a feeling we will be doing that. If I remember
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: anything about last year's combine, it was the crowd around
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's press conference. I think it was absolutely absurd.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Probably say this in every show, but careful now, don't
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: try to trade away from quarterback. That could be a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: difference maker just because you think, well, I've got minshow
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: or I've got folds and I got to win this year.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: If one of those guys are sitting there at nine,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: you better take a good hard look at them too.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And I think, Brian, that's sort of the huge underlying
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: story of this draft that will never be able to
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: officially write or talk about because they're never gonna say it, obviously,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: but it's going to be easy to steer away from
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: quarterback the entire time leading up to it, and you
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: just don't know what they're thinking on that front. It's
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating if one of those guys is at nine,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: If one of them are at nine, how do you
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: pass it up? And we're all gonna be sitting there
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: going if you're not really talking about or thinking about it,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: But it's gonna be am just something to consider. This morning,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: mill Hiper put out his second version of his mock
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: draft and he's talking about two agoing three to the Lions.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Of course, he's making the case this that or the other,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: but he put the Jaguars in a group of player
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: of teams that might be trading up for a quarterback.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Now people in Jacksonville going, no, we're not doing that right. Look,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the Texans traded up for Watson, The Chiefs traded up
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: for Mahomes. If you want one of those guys, if
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you think one of them is the guys, you're gonna
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: have to go out and get them. Right. The one
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: thing I'd say is neither one of these teams. The
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: chiefs of the Texans were for sure, but they felt
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: they're great. Their sense told them these guys are gonna
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: be really good. There are franchise quarterback If you have
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: that sense, you have the draft capital this year and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: next to be able to go do it. If you
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: want a quarterback, chances are you're not getting him at nine.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to go up and get him. And
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: an interesting point remember shod Con last year he said
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: this in London, was adamant that they get backup quarterback.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Um says, well, they've called on Doug Maroon. They're trying
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to win now. They would never draft a quarterback. There's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: all these things out there there. You know, if you're
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the owner, you have to tell them right. Well, and
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: at think for the GM. I think if you're Dave,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: you realize the job in itself is always what's best
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: for the franchise over the long term. And he has
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: said that constantly over the years, no matter what situation
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and talk there is you've got to do his best
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: for franchise long term. So um as much as people
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: won't talk about that a whole lot, I do think
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the quarterback has to be something that they're talking about,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how do we do what's best.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It's been deficient for too long. You can't ignore it.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Go back to that seventeen season and we saw in
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the second half when the Texans pulled their starting quarterback
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, the kid from Pitt and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: they put in Watson and all, even though the game
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't close, You're like, WHOA, look at this guy. And
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: then memory towards a c l in October on the
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: practice field and the league is like, WHOA, what a
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: bummer because we're just starting to see this kid emerge.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Homes only got in the last game of the year
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: when the playoffs were already assured for that team, and
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: he lit it up in Denver and everyone, WHOA, Right,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: if one of these guys is that kind of guy,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: get him. Yeah, And it doesn't seem honestly that far
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: fetched if say, Justin Herbert is your guy, because that's
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the first time I've seen two of going to the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Lions at three. Was this morning's Neil Kuiper's Draft, Well,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: what he was saying, well, and again depending on how
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you grade him right. The one thing we don't know
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: is how they're going to grade them right. And you
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: can make mistakes on quarterbacks as well. But the point
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: that the Kiper was making is he doesn't do trades
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: in his draft, but two belongs to three. Someone's going
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to three to get him. They think, whether it's the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Lions or not, if the Dolphins, whoever it might be,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the Chargers, whoever wants him, is going to have to
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: go to three. That was what he was saying this
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: morning with the mock draft. Interesting and he's probably right
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: because usually this time of year you don't see that
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: mocked and by a week before the draft or on
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: draft night. And there's been a trend over the last years.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: It's been jumping up to get the quarter well, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: then you could, I mean that could just pull the
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: cork and all of a sudden, you could just just
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: wash away what you thought was going to happen with
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the top ten or twelve picks, because all of a sudden,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: someone's gonna go up to get Herbert and then someone's
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: gonna go we love love, you know, we gotta go
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: get him an eight, and all of a sudden everything changes.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: And then and then Derek Brown Brown is sitting in
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: your laugh and you're thinking, Okay, here we go. We've
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: got two guys that we can work with. This is
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: a guy we can't pass out. Here we go again,
• 29:25
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  Speaker 1: all suck the valve? Let's look at the type end
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: depth chart currently for the Jaguars. You currently have eight
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: tight ends on your roster. I just put here because
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I couldn't fit it. James O'Shaughnessy, Josh Oliver, Jeff Swain, Bonkoy,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: accept de Val along with a few others. The two
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: at the top are really the big questions because James
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: O'Shaughnessy that big injury. Josh Oliver big injury, A lot
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: of hype with him during training can't be thought. What
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: a great draft pick that was. We still have so
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: many questions about Josh Oliver, whether or not he can
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: be a productive tight end. James O'Shaughnessy was Gardner Minshew's
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: guy before he got hurt, playing well, really productive, seemed
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: like the number one tight end. With that injury, you
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: never know it's a loss. If the three guys at
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the screen there are on your roster
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and opening day, I mean no offense to any of them.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: But they're guys that you find all over the league.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Every team has two of those guys. You need James
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: O'Shaughnessy to come back from the a c L and
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Josh Oliver to show us what we saw from him
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: on the practice field before he got injured with the hamstring.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I you saw the six found guy running down the
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: field like a wide receiver. You thought, right, this third
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: round pick from San Jose State's got something. And John D.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Philippo told me before he left, Oliver is a guy
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that has huge upside, right, and he's very high on
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: what he was capable of doing. You're gonna go into
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: free agency and the draft looking for a guy that
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: can be your featured guy, hoping that Oliver can be
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: your future guy, and you have to And then O'Shaughnessy
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: is your third and you know you can go get
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Ben Quick the jag Wars have gotten him again and
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: again and again, and then Seth the Valve and Jeff Swain.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: You can go find those guys, um, but you need
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: that that stretch, that guy who I mean, You're not
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: gonna go find Kelsey. I mean, there aren't many guys
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: like that at all, but you know, the Chiefs got
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: kind of lucky with him too. What was the third
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: round pick? You just you gotta go and you gotta
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: improve the position, and you've got the chance to with
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: two guys that are on your roster right now. It's
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: a tricky spot because usually tight ends and this is
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit different, there are some free agent tight
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: ends available. They could be a quick fix. That's rare. Um.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: It's usually a position where it's it's hard to go
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: get uh elite guy to come in and help. It's
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: been exceptions. Jimmy Graham was an exception, But it's it's
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: hard to go get the guy who's gonna come in
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: and help you right away. And so teams usually find
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: them in the draft, but they used to take a
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: couple of years to develop, you know. And again there's
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: exceptions of that, but generally speaking, so I think you
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: need to draft one. But I don't know that there's
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: a tight end in this draft that's gonna come in
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: and help you right away necessarily. So Hunter Henry or
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: these three guys see on the screen all makes sense. Um,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: As you said, it's not a knock on the guys
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: on the roster because swam Oliver O'Shaughnessy. All might be fine.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Aliver might be great, But I don't think you can
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: take a chance that any of those guys don't develop
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: or her. I think you need some impact right away.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: At you said it. You you see these guys they
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: take time to develop. Well, you've got one developmental guy
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: in there right now, and that's Oliver right, a guy
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: who you expect to develop you. That's why you used
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: a third round pick on him. You you need to
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: go and add a couple of these guys. I mean again,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I mentioned Travis Kelsey, but what about George kittle Right,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: he was a fifth round pick. You they could have
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: really loved him and thought he was gonna be great.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: But two time all pro I mean that quickly you
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: have to go and find these guys and hope that
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you uncover one that's got a lot of upside um.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: The one name on that list that I would be
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: stunned if he got to free agency is Hunter Henry.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Because you look at the Chargers hill injuries have been
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: an issue. They may be ready to give up on that.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: You would then let the buyer beware, right, because then
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: you're taking on theirs. The the issue with him is
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: as though, is that he's a terrific player, and terrific
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: tight ends aren't necessarily easy to find. You need to
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: be able to hold onto some star players. You're talking
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: about Melvin Gordon going, Philip Rivers is gone, and your
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: star players are only on the defensive side. I'd be
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: stunned if he gets to free agency. But I mean,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the crazier things have happened. It's a maddening position for
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: this team because you've known forever that it needs to
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: be addressed. They've always, even when Mercedes was here, still
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: felt like you needed a receiving tight end. You've always
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like you needed it. And yet, much like
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: last year, to me, the last draft sort of to
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: find how it's tough to get that position. They knew
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: they wanted t J. Hopkinson, but then all of a sudden,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: there was this position that made so much more sense
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: because Josh Allen was there value well, and it was
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: a it was a no brainer pick. It should never
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: be criticized, but it shows that's why it's sometimes tough
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: to get tight end because you've got all these other
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: positions that you sort of prioritize. It's a no brainer
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: go get defensive end over tight end. But by doing
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that over time, you sort of have remained deficient tight end.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: And there are franchises they have a tough time finding.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: That's finding positions. For whatever reason, tight end has sort
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: of been at They haven't had a horrible play tight
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: end for years, but they haven't been able to find
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: their Travis Kelsey, zach Ertz, those guys. It's been elusive.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: You watch the Chiefs or the Niners play this year,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: and of course in the Super Bowl, the mismatches because
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: if their size, in their athletic ability and the matchups
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: they are able to get on the outside. Uh, you've
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: got to have that position, you absolutely do. The one
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: thing I have seen so far is there doesn't appear
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: to be a first round tight end. Last year you
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: had a couple of guys with first round grades. Maybe
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the kid from Notre Dame slides in at the end
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: of the first round. But there are plenty of names
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of guys who belong in the second and third round.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: So there's gonna be someone they can choose. And it
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: sounds as if this is one of those years you
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: can't afford to let it go too far. Yeah, Actually,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I was reading El Kuiper's draft this morning. He actually
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a tight end mocked until forty six and
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: then it is the not hit out of Notre Dame.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: But you look at last year t J Hawks and
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: no one fan all those guys, so it seems like
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: you they were going to be first round, right. So
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: it seems like if you're the Jaguars and you need
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: a tight end right away, it seems like free agency
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: would just make more sense this year because the free
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: agent market was way more this year tight un friendly
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: than it was last year. It does, but I don't
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: think I don't get the impression and this is just
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: an impress and I don't get the impression they're going
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to be market setters for any position though. And if
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you're not a market setter, I don't know that you're
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: gonna get Austin Hoop right, get Hunter Henry. So they
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: may change that, but it doesn't feel like they're going
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: to be going after that type. So then all of
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: a sudden, you're back into hoping that Josh. I think
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: it's a weird position for this team. The only way
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: that you can set a market for any player at
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the tight end is if you get unique Gogoys deal done,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I mean they just what they're trying to manage with
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: him is going to preclude them from doing it. So
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: let's just say that you get Eric Ebron right, and
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: he's not He's not going to be a market contract,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: that big deal. You still have to go draft somebody.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I don't care whether it's the fourth round or the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: fifth round. You've got to go and find another developmental
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: tight end because John's right, they take some time to
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: develop in this game. If you hit on it, great,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to develop some guys and you
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: need it. I think it's a weird spot because Josh Oliver,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a percentage chance out there that they
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: did it already. What we're talking about, they've already done it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe they've already done it, but do you have confidence
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: in that knowing that you haven't seen it. It's it's
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a strange, buddy, wouldn't you talking they said, Hey, we
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: feel like we've already done this. Sometimes and there is
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a school thought in this league sometimes you've got to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: trust what you drafted, and maybe that's their approach. I
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: think that would be risk. Well, he was injury prone
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: last year, obviously missed most of the season, So get
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: another one, draft, another one somewhere along the line, especially
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: when you're talking free agency with all of those contracts
• 39:31
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• 39:33
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  Speaker 1: number one, who would you be selecting at number nine?
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: If you are Dave Codwell, who are you calling? We're
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: not taking trades into account. We're not taking trades into account.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: We're saying, realistically, who's there at number nine? Who are
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  Speaker 1: you taking if you're but we all think trades are
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  Speaker 1: gonna happen. Hence Wooden's gets tricky. Well, let's just say
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: for the sake of the game, but there's no trades
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  Speaker 1: and you're still at number nine, we may have picked
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the same guy. I didn't see you. Go ahead, Um,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Ken Law from South Carolina. I
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: think if if Brown's there, I think you take him.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I'm mocking this with the assumption that he'll be gone.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I just think kin Law makes a lot of sense
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: in terms of no matter who's bag, no matter if
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: they get Marcel back, uh, whatever happens in the defensive interior,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think you hurt yourself getting a guy who's dominant.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: They're getting a potential star there. I think if you
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: put Ken Law next to Josh Allen, next to all
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: their defensive front talent, you're an off a good defensive
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: front for a long time. I started with that, and
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: then I remember that there are some defensive tackles that
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I have read about that I've talked to people about
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: that aren't on anyone's radar screens as first round picks,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: but have first round talent. Remember Aaron Donald was thought
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: to be too short and he slid in at the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: back end of the first round. The Ramps got him
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: really late in the first round the year that he
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: came out of pit. And there are some guys, not
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, but some talented guys who are available. Um,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: So I went with Isaiah Simmons because I'm trying to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: make the point about best available player, and he's going
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: to be there. And he makes sure run defense better
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: because he's a running hit linebacker. He's also a guy
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: who can blitz, a guy who can play safety, a
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: guy can play out in the slot. He is the
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: most versatile defensive player in the draft from everything that
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I hear and read and see. And you can't pass
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: on that. I don't think, not on that kind of
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: a players got options, and if you don't need a
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle right away, that could be a good option.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: You gotta improve your run defense. Best available player, alright,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: ashless number two? What is the biggest question going into March?
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: We're only a couple a week away from March, two
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: weeks away from March. Heading into March, what's the biggest
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: question you have to ask regarding this team? Is it
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: are they going to sign Unique and gock Way finally
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and pay him? Is it is clay As cambell is
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: going to be in a Jaguars uniform next year? Is
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: it is Gardner Minshew the quarterback? Or have you they
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: traded Nick Foles yet? What's the biggest question going into
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the month of March? This is always the biggest question.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Who's your quarterback? Right? Still in a quarterback league? There
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: you go? Good? Right? I mean it's it's football one
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: oh one? Who's your quarterback? Um? If you I mean,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: if you think you're not gonna have of um uh,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Unique got Way? Because if a holdout, you still have
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen, you know, I mean, who is your quarterback?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Is always the most important question that you ask, and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: until you don't have that question to ask, you keep
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: asking it. It appears that was your question. Yeah, Well,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I'll say first all of them because As I said earlier,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I don't recall an off season where there were so
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: many questions and so many things where if they go
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: a route and you're on the field in April and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: they've done this, you're like, well, I didn't expect it,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know that there's a whole lot that
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: is absolutely common knowledge. But what they're gonna do, I
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: think there could be a lot of new players on defense.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't shock me if if Nick Foles is the quarterback. UH,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: don't really know what they're gonna do. Offensive line. I
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: think they need to improve the offensive line. I'm not
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: sure specifically. There is no player on the offensive line
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: that I would be shocked if they were on the
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: team next year. And I guess the only player that
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sure is going to be in in their exact
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: spot would be Taylor and Lender. So all of that is,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: but for the sake of this answer, I'll say, uh,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I'll say Clay's Campbell because you know, I don't think
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: he was as good last year as he has been
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: in seventeen and eighteen. But he clearly can make plays.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: He clearly has can be impactful in the right situation
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: when he's on. He still maybe one of the best
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: two or three players. He was dominant against the Colts
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: at the end of the season. So, uh, what they
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: do with him, I think is still a huge question
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: to answer. As much as I see the cap, as
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: much as I see that situation, it's still tough for
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: me to imagine walking in there on the first day
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: o t a s, first day the offseason program and
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: him not being here. I just think they find some
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: way to get it done, and if he won't take
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: a pay cut, I think they pay him. And I
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: don't think Yahn is even a question because I think
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: he's going to be here, whether whether they franchise him
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: or whether they get a deal done, whether it's a
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: hold on training camp. The owner said it, Davis said
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: it not a question. The question with him is just
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: you know, when does he get here and how much
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: does he get paid? A lot? Yeah, all right, So
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: it's been somewhat of a negative off season. In season,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: there's been some doubters, there's been some upset people. Yes,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: John has been one of Them's so crappy lately. So
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: let's look at the positives. When you look back at
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the two thousand nineteen season, I know there's not a lot,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: but let's be optimistic this morning. When you look back
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: at two nineteen, what's the biggest positive? What do you
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: look back on and smile and say, ah, that was
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: a good time. It could be a game, It could
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: be a moment. It could be a player that you
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: didn't think was going to break out into that was nineteen.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: When you look back at last year makes you smile.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Can even be Max Hawkman, Max getting engaged. That makes
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: me smile. That's top ten at least. Okay, go ahead,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: now you go first. First, I'll go Josh allen Um
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: And because I think as rough as this season was
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: and as uncertain as things feel now, I can easily
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: envision us sitting here in and saying, this guy is
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: the key to your franchise. This guy is I mean,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: obviously the quarterback will be the key, but this guy
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: has a chance to be. When you think of the
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Damon Broncos, who do you think do you think of
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: von Miller? He's got a chance to be that level
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: of defensive player. He's got a chance to be a
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: rock star a huge place. He's got a chance to
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: mean everything to this franchise that people for a couple
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: of years hoped that Jalen Ramsey would mean in terms
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: of iconic player, and here's a superstar in terms of
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: all that, and I think he's the complete package. The
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: way he played was almost lost somehow because of the
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: of the record. But ten and a half sacks, constant
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: impact never looked lost as a rookie Bryant and that's rare. Well,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: and he kind of got lost in the shuffle because
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Nick Bose had a similar year. Uh and then Bosa
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: had that Super Bowl that you know, he was a
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: world So you know, now even further people have said, well,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: you know, Josh Allen had a good year, but Nick
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Bose it was supers for most of the year. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: it was surprised. If he has similar kind of game.
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  Speaker 1: That's my point. He's that level. He's that level player.
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  Speaker 1: Even though people don't see them as being the same player,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: they absolutely are the same player. Um, I couldn't decide
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: on a player because I could have easily gone with ye.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I went with a win in Oakland. He didn't you
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  Speaker 1: with a winning quite Cackland. My hands are red because
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I don't have a I don't have anything to wipe
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  Speaker 1: it with. I wasn't wiping again Oakland h And here's why,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: because that was a game by all accounts, the Jaguars
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: had no business winning. When did they left? You can't
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: even spell their name? When do they moved to Vegas?
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Who wants to play in cacklin Man alone? We get it.
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  Speaker 1: It says that doesn't deserve an NFL um. When we
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: pulled in that day, if you recall the parking lot,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, it looked like the apocalypse. It was right.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was an incredible scene. So many people.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: All you could say is, wow, they're leaving this right.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, the fandom was unbelievable. And that was a
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: team that was surging at the end of the season
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: and going to the playoffs. And I thought it took
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: an incredible amount of fortitude, especially when they fell behind early.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: And it was a shocking win for this and and
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: that was the point. And I think maybe Doug Maron
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: maybe saved his job, you know, in that in that
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: situation right there where the team rallied in the second half,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: played great defense, Minshu led the two fourth quarter touchdown drives,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: and they came away with the wind that just it
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: had the fans ready to tear the place apart. I
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: mean they were going to tear souvenirs and take them home.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Instead they were throwing them onto the field. Remember we
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: were trying to go out on the field to shoot
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  Speaker 1: and feel hit by a chair. It was. It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was a massive win, uh for the guys who
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: were coming back next year, because the understanding is this
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: is how you play. You go on the road and
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: you win a game you're not supposed to until your
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: point without if the season had ended after the third
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: quarter of that game, I don't know that anybody is
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: talking about Gardner Minshew as a potential started going forward
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: in the and in the last in the in the
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter of that game, he didn't play it well
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: against Atlanta, but then in Indianapolis. Without those five quarters
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter that game Indianapolis, I think the conversation
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: around Gardner minship is completely different. So I think that
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: when again, the fourth quarter of that game is what
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: is one of the things that makes you think maybe
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: he's the guy that always remember Cacklin always never, because
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: if you can win, you can win anywhere. You're gonna
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: be sorry wrote that because that we're never gonna forget
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about it for too much.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Will you make a mistake? Just wait? You know one's coming. Oh,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I know. They happen every day. Bro, can't spell to
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: save were life? No, I would spell it like that.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I did that, but I did.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: All right, No Jaguars Drive time. Next Tuesday, we will
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: be live at the NFL Combine. Stay tuned in Jaguars
• 52:30
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  Speaker 1: Happy are this Thursday. We'll see you then.