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Episode #69: HUGE FDA Power Grab: Natural Medicine on the Chopping Block · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_00: The FDA is claiming now that all homeopathic products are illegal.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_00: And therefore, the FDA can remove any products when they want to.
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  SPEAKER_01: Isn't it just uh what apart for the course, that at the time when we're being run over by fentanyl, methamphetamine, is it interesting that at that at the time when we're when we're seeing uh greatly increased uh freedom in that arena, uh we're seeing greatly increased um uh demonization criminalization in this arena.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to another podcast from Beyond Labels with yours truly, Joel Salatin, the farmer, and our favorite researcher, Dr.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Cena McCullough.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're a little bit un we're let's be transparent today.
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  SPEAKER_01: The reason that I'm not uh visible is for those of you who are watching this, is because we're in rural America where internet is uh is spotty, and we've had an ice storm here in Virginia, and uh we haven't had internet now for almost a week because the antenna that broadcasts our Wi-Fi is uh ice capped, and apparently there's no way to fall it.
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  SPEAKER_01: They can't find a hair, a hairdryer big enough, I guess, to uh fall this thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we might be another week with no internet.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm on the phone, and Steve is on Zoom, and uh we're trying we're we're uh we're coming to you uh with a uh basically a spare tire here.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh bear with us and uh thank you very much for joining us here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Steve's got some uh some breaking news here, some interesting things regarding the uh food and drug administration's new release of uh of guidelines on homeopathic uh regulations.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: And um I think we're all gonna learn something here from her, and she's been up with it, so it's great to have that kind of uh that kind of of uh real-time dedicated uh watchdog uh uh among us.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so Cena, uh please tell us what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, so I hate to be the bearer of bad news during the Christmas season, but um this is a time-sensitive matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: So homeopathy is now under attack in America.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's being attacked by the FDA, Big Pharma, and AMA.
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  SPEAKER_00: The FDA has just released new regulatory guidelines regarding how they're going to handle homeopathic remedies.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is by far one of the biggest power grabs, if not the biggest power grab that I've seen from the FDA since I've been investigating them.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this I can't even express enough how devastating this is.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're gonna get into all this.
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  SPEAKER_00: In fact, when I was um telling this information to my children this weekend, as I was researching this topic, I actually was crying.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's how that's how profound of an impact I think that this new regulation is gonna have on not only homeopathy, but on herbalism as well and all forms of natural medicine.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you know, Cena, you're uh yeah, uh, sorry to jump in here, but you know, you're a lot younger than I am, and uh I remember very, very well back in the 19, I'm gonna say uh nineties, it must have been, um when the American Medical Association was trying to push to eliminate all over-the-counter vitamins, that that vitamins, uh all all supplements, nutrient uh nutritional supplements had to have a doctor's prescription.
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  SPEAKER_01: This was this was a real thing, it was a real fight, and um, and at that time all of the supplement companies came together and uh fought that thing and it it it failed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and so uh I don't know you're gonna tell us the status of this, but um anyway, uh you know, some sometimes we can we can beat these things back.
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  SPEAKER_01: So now tell us where we are with this.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's exactly right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I'm hoping is gonna happen.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's why, even though you know you're not on Zoom, we decided to push this episode through um to so that we can try to stop this thing from from snowballing.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um and uh piggybacking on what you just said, we know that the government and the AMA have already come come after homeopathy previously, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You and I talked about this in a previous podcast, um, that in the early 1900s, with the pretty much the birth of big pharma, they tried, they basically tried to demonize homeopathy among other um alternative medicines, and they were highly successful.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was in 1910 with the Flexner report, if you recall, that overhauled the entire medical system.
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  SPEAKER_00: It eliminated nearly 80% of all programs in homeopathy.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was a political crackdown on these alternative forms of medication.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes the homeopathic practitioners were not only demonized, they were put in jail for using natural medicines.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: And the good thing is homeopathy made a comeback, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It went from like 80% of all programs being banned, destroyed, um, run out of business essentially, you know, to now it's more of a it's more of a flourishing business.
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  SPEAKER_00: So worldwide, um, homeopathy is used by about 200 million people.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's actually included in the national health system of many countries, like Switzerland, India, Brazil, Chile, um, Mexico, and Pakistan.
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  SPEAKER_00: In America, they estimate roughly 6 million people use homeopathic medicines regularly.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's um estimated to be about 5 million adults and 1 million children.
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  SPEAKER_00: Homeopathy is also used in some hospitals.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's used by chiropractors, naturopaths, osteopaths, and Western-trained medical doctors as well, sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you recall, this summer at our polyface wellness summer summit, our two days of truth, we had Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Michelle Perrot speak about homeopathy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she talked about how it works, how to actually make the remedies, and she gave some of her favorites.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you haven't checked that out already, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Michelle Perrot's speech was phenomenal.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's a leading expert in this field.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Joel, I'm really excited because I reached out to her regarding this new regulation, asking her her thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_00: And basically, she thinks that we'll get into what the regulation is in just a minute.
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  SPEAKER_00: She thinks this is a losing battle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, she has submitted letters to the FDA, called the Congress people, whatnot, but she herself thinks that we're not going to win this one.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um I'm gonna jump to the punchline here.
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  SPEAKER_00: She and I both think that the solution in part is to create this parallel economy, like we've been talking about, and to learn how to make these remedies yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So she did even one better for us.
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  SPEAKER_00: She connected me with one of the leading experts in homeopathy in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's gonna join us on the program the first week in January.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm really excited about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna empower our audience with how we can um take charge of the situation in our own personal lives by learning how to use homeopathy, learning its benefits, and learning how to make the homeopathic remedies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that amazing?
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she was a she was a pediatrician, I think.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Michelle Perrot was a Western-trained pediatrician, and she basically went from having a Western-based pediatric office to a holistic-based office where she used homeopathy and you know, herbal medicines and whatnot.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that shift came because she realized through her own observations that when she used Western medicine to heal children, it wasn't working.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was actually making them sicker.
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  SPEAKER_00: They never got any better.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so she on her own um branched out into more natural forms of medicine, what I would call our traditional forms of medicine.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it worked.
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  SPEAKER_00: It the children got healthier, and now she's moved on into this space of not only teaching homeopathy, but she works with um energy fields and energy frequencies to heal people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so she she's an amazing individual.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, we'll have her on the program too at some point.
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  SPEAKER_00: You've got you, everyone's got to meet her.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: She's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, but let's get into what the what the regulations are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I will say that I have used some homeopathic medicines in the past, and um, but I'm not an expert in homeopathy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is why we're bringing an expert onto the show to talk more about it.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I do know that for anyone who isn't even aware of what homeopathy is, let me just give you a really brief introduction to it and then we'll go into the regulatory concern.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, in short, homeopathy is founded on the principle that like cures like.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, in essence, if a large amount of a substance is going to make you sick, and that's if it's gonna elicit symptoms of an illness, for example, then the thought is a very, very diluted amount of that substance can heal you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It could heal the body on the physical and the emotional energetic level.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that's how we get the whole like cures like, because a very diluted amount of something can actually cure you.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's like what we talk about too in nutrition, like a little bit of poison is a good thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It helps you adapt and become resilient.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's similar to that.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a comp a concept that we've talked about before on the show is that homeopathy works in part by an um leaving an energetic imprint on the water, right?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: And the because water can carry information.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, energy is basically waves of waves or andor particles of information.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so you take a natural compound and you can actually imprint the the um the energy of that compound in the water, because the water can carry information as electrical signals, and then you can actually drink that information by consuming the water.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the thought is if you had picked the right vibrational frequency of that natural compound that you consumed, it can actually give that vibrational frequency to the body through the memory of the water and it can heal the body.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that pretty cool?
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: It makes me want to go drink out of the cow tank again.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey, there's truth to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, so that's the gist of how it works.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, we'll get more to that, you know, in January.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: But here's so here's the problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: The FDA has come out with these new regulations, and we will we will include these in the program description so people can read them for themselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: It the document is called Homeopathic Drug Products Guidance for FDA staff and industry.
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  SPEAKER_00: The FDA is claiming now that all homeopathic products are illegal.
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  SPEAKER_00: And therefore, the FDA can remove any product when they want to.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, why all of a sudden are homeopathic products illegal?
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  SPEAKER_00: So here's the rundown.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is what this document says.
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  SPEAKER_00: Any homeopathic drug that has not been declared grass is considered a new drug.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you remember, Joel, our old friend Grass, right?
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we've got to do a show on grass so people really get what that means.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that's basically if the drug hasn't been declared as generally recognized as safe by some quote unquote expert, then it is considered to be a new drug.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Point number two, FDA has not determined that any homeopathic drugs are grass.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if the if the homeopathic drug, and they keep calling them drugs, all right, instead of homeopathic remedies, they're doing this intentionally.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the document, these are homeopathic drugs.
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  SPEAKER_00: So any homeopathic drug that has not been declared grass is considered a new drug.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the FDA says, but well, they haven't determined any homeopathic drugs so far to be grass.
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  SPEAKER_00: So now they're all new drugs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then it says point three, a new drug cannot be marketed unless it goes through the FDA's approval process.
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  SPEAKER_00: And point four, no homeopathic drugs have gone through FDA approval.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the bottom line is all homeopathic products are now illegal.
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  SPEAKER_00: And according to the FDA's new guidelines, and I quote, any homeopathic drug product that is being marketed illegally is subject to FDA enforcement action at any time.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they're now declaring them they're illegal because they're new drugs that have not been determined grass, and there are none that are grass.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so now they have to go through the FDA's new drug approval process.
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  SPEAKER_00: So and they're gonna do this slowly.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is gonna be, like we say, death by a thousand cuts.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, they're gonna target and eliminate one homeopathic remedy or one group of homeopathic remedies at a time, and that's strategic.
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  SPEAKER_00: If they do it one at a time, if it doesn't affect a large group at one time, you're not gonna see all the uprising, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not gonna draw as much attention, so it won't generate as much pushback.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what's gonna happen is as they slowly target one section at a time, it's gonna put those companies out of business.
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  SPEAKER_00: So your ability to produce, to procure or to buy these remedies is slowly being banned because businesses that make those products and that sell those products, they will go out of business.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: Slowly but surely, they'll go out of business.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: You won't be able to find them anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, the FDA has already announced that it's gonna focus on just a few product categories for enforcement.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna read you from this document the categories that they're going to enforce initially.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: And um let me read you the the first paragraph under FDA's enforcement policy, and then we'll go through the categories that that are gonna be enforced.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and you'll can just see how overarching this is gonna be.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the tentacles are going to spread far, but they've already picked certain categories to demonize that are gonna cover a lot of products.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So here's what they say under their enforcement policy.
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  SPEAKER_00: FDA is not required and generally does not expect to give special notice that a drug product may be subject to enforcement action.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they don't even have to tell you, right, that it's subject to enforcement.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says in the listing that follows, we clarify our general approach to prioritizing our enforcement and regulatory action with regard to homeopathic drug products marketed in the United States without the required FDA approval.
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  SPEAKER_00: However, this guidance is intended to provide notice that any homeopathic drug product that is being marketed illegally is subject to FDA enforcement action at any time.
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  SPEAKER_00: The FDA has identified certain categories of homeopathic drugs as potentially possessing higher risk to public health.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are sorry, prioritizing enforcement and regulatory action of the following categories.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you ready for the categories?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, this is uh you know, it it is isn't it just uh what apart for the course that at the time when we're being run over by fentanyl, methamphetamine, and and uh um legalization of marijuana, which which by the way, I'm I'm all for uh legal uh all this stuff.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm for legalization of all of them actually.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and and and the elimination of the government intervention in uh medicine uh periods.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, it is interesting that it's that it's the time when we're when we're seeing uh greatly increased uh freedom in that arena, uh we're seeing greatly increased um um demoniz criminalization in this arena.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, well is there uh Cina, is there a uh, you know, uh vaccines have the um you know the uh bad what is what's it called, you know, where you you get a a reaction from the vaccine.
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  SPEAKER_00: The side effects?
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: They have that uh that direct that uh yeah.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um is there any such thing for homeopathy?
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  SPEAKER_01: And to your knowledge, has anybody uh overdosed or killed themselves with homeopathy?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to ask the our expert in January about this because I was reading on some of the leading homeopathy websites, and they're talking about well, there's never been a death from homeopathic medicine, but I've also seen news reports of like babies who presumably consumed a homeopathic product, you know, the parents gave them the homeopathic product and the child died.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: And it may have been from contamination, you know, they didn't actually say, um, you know, or it wasn't um manufactured properly.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm seeing conflicting data because I am seeing multiple news reports, you know, over the decades of them claiming that there has been injury and death.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and in fact, in this FDA um guidance, they do say that they feel it's time to start regulating these homeopathic remedies because of um because of the potential risk.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: So if they say recent growth of safety concerns associated with some homeopathic drug products, um and because of that, the FDA believes it's in the best interest of the public health to issue a new guidance that applies to risk-based enforcement approach to these drugs.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um but here's the thing even if it is true, even if those news reports were true that some people, a handful of people have died from uh homeo homeopathic drugs.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: My question is, why does that warrant the government coming in and banning the entire practice of homeopathy, essentially?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because what's the third leading cause of death in America?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember?
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, tell me.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: The third leading cause of death in America is prescription drugs.
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  SPEAKER_00: So half of those deaths were from overdoses, but a full half of them were people who took the drug properly, according to what the medical doctor prescribed, and they still died.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: So we have possibly a handful of people over the decades who have who have died.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm saying possibly because this has not been verified.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: These are just news reports, right?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: That have died from something, contamination or you know, whatever from these homeopathic medic uh remedies.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: But on the flip side, what are they saying?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: They're telling you that um in this document, too, they're telling you that one reason why they want to regulate uh homeopathic uh remedies is because they feel like it prevents people from using uh prescription medications.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is what they say in here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um one of the categories of homeopathic medications that they're going to now you know crack down on is this one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Products intended to be used for the prevention or treatment of serious andor life-threatening threatening diseases or conditions.
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  SPEAKER_00: They say unapproved products for serious andor life-threatening diseases or conditions raise public health concerns in part because they may cause users to delay or discontinue medical treatments that have been found safe and effective through the new drug application process.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, what does this mean?
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: It means that they're afraid that people who are really sick are going to start trying homeopathic medicines and they're gonna stop taking the prescription medications, even though the prescription medications are are responsible for the third leading cause of death in America.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, it's uh it's just uh it's a whole kind of identical uh argument for uh uh
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: for uh criminalizing raw milk um and and and we know that many of the the alleged the alleged um sicknesses from raw milk are actually not from raw milk they're from other things but um you know but they don't uh they don't recognize the other the other things in the in the data you know somebody somebody uh is on death's door and they die from uh and and they happen to have drunk raw milk well they immediately you know finger raw milk instead of realizing that they had you know five uh you know five serious uh problems otherwise pneumonia and whatever um wow go ahead uh yeah th that that in other words um we we have we have chosen um we have chosen our form and uh if if something competes with our formula then um we ban it that's right and that's why when you read now I'm reading this document with great bias right based on my own experience in the in searching for my answers when I was chronically sick and based on the research I've already done and the FDA and opinions I've already formed but when you read this document it's a little difficult to divorce yourself from this belief that this is driven by big pharma and AMA right I mean it like even this stat I just uh I just rolled off uh that prescription drugs are killing people uh uh it's a leading cause of death but we're gonna push those now and rob you of your homeopathic medication um which has if there's any deaths reported obviously it's much less than what what you would find with prescription drugs I mean the average prescription drug contains 70 side effects there's more than 90 now prescription drugs that are known to cause lupus we even know that um anticholinergic drugs like those to treat seasonal allergies and depression they can actually increase your risk of Alzheimer's and dementia some drugs increase your risk of um attempting suicide like Vallumin prednisone so they're pushing us toward those drugs and doing it by banning us basically um demonizing any kind of traditional medication and not letting us have access to them and here's something I can't I can't help but uh just uh relate the anecdotal story literally from Sunday a lady at church she's 80 years old and she stood up during uh kind of uh uh prayer and praise time and uh and she said uh she said she's been on eighteen prescription drugs and uh she saw another doctor he took her off of I think 10 of them and suddenly she can walk without her cane she picks up her feet she doesn't have brain fog she feels like she's young again by eliminating all those uh prescription drugs so so you know this this this prescription industry uh even if we posit that it's well meaning the the cocktail the cocktail is truly uh profound and has profound uh medical implications so uh go on with the categories cena okay so this one I found uh to be filled with irony okay one of the categories says they're going to crack down on products for routes of administration other than oral and topical for example injectable drug products um in general pose a greater risk of harm to users because the routes of administration for these products bypass some of the body's natural defenses in particular contaminated injectable products can pose serious risk to the patient so there's injectables like mistletoe for example um you know injectable homeopathic remedies that are used to help people uh who are dealing with cancer and from what I've seen in the literature there's uh great success with using that injectable in particular okay so they're saying though that they're gonna crack down they're coming after that one first because it's an injectable and part of it is because they're afraid of contamination in the injectables well do you remember in one of our podcasts when we were talking about COVID I brought the story to you about all these news reports that were coming out about all the contaminants in the mRNA vaccines all right so this is not an unusual thing like they have contamination going on there but you don't see them banning theirs right but here they're like oh it could be they could be contaminated so we need to get them off the market because they're harmful to these people so I I just think that's uh irony right I mean what yeah yeah uh I mean that's saying it nicely like well other categories um I think you're you're saying irony uh it's also extremely uh extremely hypocritical.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yes that's what I'm saying I'm saying it the nice way like yes it's very it's very hypocritical.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um another category of the product is they're gonna start cracking down on any products that contain or or purport to contain ingredients associated with potentially significant safety concerns concerns that includes multiple ingredients that when used in combination could result in possible interactions or synergistic effects or additive effects of the various ingredients okay they don't even check that for prescription medications right like we've talked about this before they don't check about they don't check how ingredients are going to interact with each other in prescription medications or in our food supply for that matter but now they're all of a sudden going to start cracking down on them in homeopathic medications or you know remedies which homeopathic remedies are start from a natural compound.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: The prescription medications over 90% of these are made from oil or petroleum right those are the ones we should really be I mean you know look we should make sure everything is safe right and we should do that not through the government but you know through our own, through the individual the individual is responsible for making sure what they put in their body is safe.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not saying don't be safe about what you're consuming.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying they're trying to crack down on something in a natural product that they don't even do for over the counter or prescription medications.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said 90% of pharmaceuticals are made from oil or petroleum.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: So aspirin even over the counter ones so aspirin anahistamines coughs, lots of creams, ointment staff, antibacterial stove, hand sanitizer, they all have oil derivatives in them, you know, or largely they have oil derivatives in them.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: So the system we have in America today is when you get sick, your illness is going to be treated with a fossil fuel derivative.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: And they're not checking to see how those different ingredients in those pharmaceutical compounds are actually affecting you if if if these are going to make your symptoms worse or develop a new disease.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: And this is largely why we're seeing so many deaths in America from prescription drugs and so many side effects including secondary disease development.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: But the FDA's decided that it's time to crack down on the natural based homeopathic um remedies in case there might be multiple ingredients in there that could interact with each other.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean don't you know Sina this is almost like this is almost like saying um from now on you have to pass government approval to put peas and carrots and uh a T-bone steak on your plate.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know we we know peas are fine we know carrots are fine and we know steak is fine but boy if we put them together that might not be fine.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: So we better ban we better ban all uh multi, you know, multi-menu uh meals until we determine what the what the uh reaction of each other is in your stomach.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's right and I've talked about this for a long time with processed foods for example um when you get into grass regulations how you realize that they just add all these chemicals together and nobody tests what happens either acutely or long term in terms of you know health consequences um and that's a huge disservice to our country because how many people are consuming uh processed foods on a daily basis right most Americans consume at least 80% of their calories from processed foods but why isn't the FDA cracking down on that right because they're in the pocket of big ag right big ag and big food so they're not gonna crack down on that they are not in the pocket of traditional medicine so and nor is there money in it.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: So here's the thing the FDA is now saying okay homeopathic drugs are new drugs and they have to go through the approval process who's gonna pay the money for them to go through the studies to get approved there is no money in homeopathy because you can't patent the remedies you right you can't them because they're natural substances prescription it reminds me uh it reminds me of Bill Wolfe when he was uh he was importing uh seaweed kelp uh geothermally dried kelp from Iceland for um you know to to add to your garden and and he had tried to register as a fertilizer well the fertilizer has to have uh some it has to have on the bag the lethal dose what what's the what's the lethal dose on fertilizer well you know he fed it to rats and uh the more he fed the fatter they got the sicker they got the healthier they got so uh he f he finally put some in a water bucket and drowned a couple rats so he could kill a couple and put it on the label.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I mean this this is this is this is it it's idiocy it's idiocy so so we're almost out of time stina so where uh where do we go from here yes okay so I'm gonna tell you what I'm doing personally and then I have a question for you okay and hopefully we'll get into this more when that expert comes on in January so my thought is you know stock up right so the products that are on the market right now stock up on them while they're still there okay that would be step number one um step number two for me I'm going to alongside with my alongside my children we are going to learn how to use homeopathic uh remedies and how to make them all right so I've already looked into children's curriculum for it and whatnot and I'm I'm actually I got my kids on board uh they're all fired up too they're like the government has no right to tell us that we can't use those and you know because even they see the irony with what we've been through or the as you would say hypocrisy as we've been through this um whole COVID season together as a family they're like wait why do the government think they had the right to force us to put something in our body that was against our beliefs but we don't have the right to choose something that was made from nature that we want to put in our body.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: How can they ban us?
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: How can they ban nature?
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like it's really asked they really simplify it, right?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: How can they ban nature?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: So we're taking a stance in our personal lives in our family that they're not gonna ban us from nature.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: Hence we're gonna learn more about homeopathy I'm gonna go rewatch Dr.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: Perrot's um speech from our summit this year with my kids and we're gonna learn how to make the remedies um okay other than that um what we're thinking is okay from a government perspective obviously you can start re voting to replace your officials right change out the government but you and I both know just like Dr.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: Perrot said uh this is not going away that's actually that's not gonna I'm not gonna spend a lot of effort on that because I don't think that's gonna be a productive solution.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know um it seems like even the good candidates that I've supported in the past, they get into Congress and you know power corrupts they get into the pocket of big pharma and big ag and there you go.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: So we're doing more localized um solutions what um what I am I'm a little hopeful that um there maybe there's a loophole or some kind of workaround.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know how these laws are like usually the loopholes and workaround favor industry maybe there'll be some kind of workaround that might favor us.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know something like how you know DeSantis um in over in Florida he's been pushing back on the federal government and saying like no this is a state's right you can't override the state's right so I'm hoping there's going to be some more movement toward that.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe there's some way like maybe if there's a lawyer listening right now maybe there's some way that we can push back on and enforce states' rights.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm not sure you can because the federal FDA declares itself to be over all the state FDAs.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: However as you know my first book I make the case for the fact that the federal FDA itself is illegal.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm hoping yeah well and and there and there and there doesn't have to be a government workaround for example a couple weeks ago we had had the um uh the rogue food conference in Tennessee and uh and we featured the uh uh the personal um membership association the PMA personal membership association and uh and and we introduced it at the Florida Rogue Food Conference we we dug down a little deeper at this one here in Tennessee and um and what what this is is a a it's it's based on the country club and it completely completely circumvents all government I mean your employees are now are now uh missionaries uh you don't pay social security you don't withhold uh uh uh workmen's comp uh you don't um you're not subject to any of this uh of the of the government intervention and you can I mean we I can tell you here at Polyphase we are we are looking at this as a as a as a completely alternative system uh to disentangle and so uh so here's the point the government cannot regulate what's not in commerce they can't tell you you can't give something to somebody the um and and so and so if we can if we can create um mechanisms that allow for transactions to occur that are not in commerce not sold but are actually dividends or um or gifts or um in investment credits I mean there are numerous things that that are not in commerce then um then you know the government has no oversight over that and so um so the remedy here the remedy uh may not be you know political it it it may be um it may be simply constructing models that come outside the purview of the commerce clause so and I love that so is the PMAs is that similar to like cow shares that we'd have in Virginia that allowed you to access uh raw milk as long as you own a share of a cow um I i it it's uh I'll call it I'll call it a kissing cousin uh it's certainly not the same but yes the whole cow share idea um and and indeed uh uh CSAs community supported agriculture uh where you where you uh invest in a farm and then you get product again you don't have to charge sales tax um you know there's uh there's there's you don't have any insurance liabilities because nobody can sue you for um for their own product you can't you can't sue yourself over the carrots that you grew and so so these kind of schemes um have have have kind of percolated and they've refined and they've been around for some time and it could be that we're going to see additional applications of them across across other uh areas of the economy as as tyranny as that tyrannical noose tightens.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well I love this this is like the first piece of news that I got that was hopeful and this is actually the question I wanted to ask you was about the PMAs.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not well versed in these but if I'm understanding this correctly are you saying that there's a possibility that say you set up a PMA at Polyface Farm and I became an investor then you could offer homeopathic remedies in your farm store that I could get yes absolutely because because you because you as a member are not um because the transaction is not a sale it's not commerce this is a this is a perk of um of of this is a perk of membership um oh but so then does would that cover then so somebody would have had to make that homeopathic remedy if that person would have to be in the PMA yeah yeah that's exact that's exactly right and these PMAs are springing up uh all over the country and um and I think within another year we're going to see some uh incredible refinements uh on the PMA in fact uh my question at the Rogue Food conference to Michael Kilpatrick who's the who's the kind of the guru on this uh I said could I have a could I have a polyface diner in Stanton that's a PMA in other words no health inspection nobody's gonna make me put dietary diet dietary restrictions you know to to figure out all the nutrition labels on my food calories all that stuff we just open this up and people who come in and sign the little uh sign the little and join our join our private club uh they can buy they can get a a a hamburger and he said absolutely it can be applied to that so we're seeing uh malleability and a lot a lot of innovation there are now um there are now some real some attorney gurus who you can just you can you can pay you know uh um and and will set you up with all the paperwork and so far there's only been a couple court cases on these so far the TMA has won each court case so we're starting to see a track record a precedent and it's a it's a very um you know it's a very exciting and and and and and innovative time in this space that's responding to all of this uh this this government uh uh crackdown in in numerous things from food to you know food to to health to whatever well this is awesome so I think you and I just created a solution that you start a PMA and I'll give you the homeopathic remedies to to to put in your farm store the ones that I create yeah we can still access them yeah yeah that's right that's right all all all is not lost we you know um uh and and this is why the whole idea of a parallel universe is so is so appealing uh to many of us right now is that like you said change the government you know look nobody we vote for is going to disband the FDA tomorrow it it just it just ain't gonna happen yeah and so um that's where we need to start doing the parallel universe um is there anything else you we're we're really out of time now yeah I know yes I went a little over on this one this one got me all riled up and you know I think that as as big of a power grab as this is and as devastating as it is for some of us who are in this space of you know traditional medicine and I think of these things now as they all happen for a reason.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of sitting in that space of this of sadness this weekend that I was in about this I have shifted over to um it happens for a reason and God always provides a solution.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think this will help people wake up who haven't woken up already.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: It will help people who are already engaged it will help them take action and as you just gave us all hope people are working on these alternative solutions.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that um as long as they don't start cracking down on those PMAs, right?
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: Then we could really create something outside of the system that many of us have been longing for for decades.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: So this could actually end up being a positive it's like they push and they push and they push and eventually they are going to push enough people too far that they won't be able to come back from it.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah it's like it's like the uh it's like the closing down the schools and suddenly parents were looking over their children's shoulders and saw what some of the kids were learning and uh created a bit of a a parental uh parental revolution in the country on on school choice charter schools uh homeschools or private schools all these kind of things uh you know that that's that's so that was a that was a very positive thing.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well listen Cena thanks for bringing this to our attention it's been a uh it it's it you know every time you think what can they do next there is something they can do next and so um I I think I think that's important to realize that that there's there are are thousands of paper pushing bureaucrats um that are on marionette strings and in in collusia the real collusion story is the collusion between the the drug companies and the regulators and and so there's a lot of that going on but at the same time there is there is a a a germinating and rebirthing of um of innovative creative um you know uh gorilla gorilla marketers and and you know un under the system under the table uh things going on and so you know we we have at the end of the day we're not frustrated and depressed we are we're pressing on yeah I love that I absolutely love that I think that's a great way to end it let's all stay positive about it we're gonna find solutions and um I'm really looking forward to that expert coming on and teaching us more about how to use these natural remedies yes thanks everybody for joining us on another Beyond Labels podcast and we look forward to seeing you next week