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Chuck & Buck 4-1 Hour 3: Draftmas Stocking Stuffers, · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: It's April first.
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Speaker 2: It's the intergalactic holiday known as Draftmas, invented on this
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Speaker 2: very radio station, on this very radio show many years ago,
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Speaker 2: and it is turned into a universal universe universal phenomenon
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Speaker 2: celebrated on Saturn as well as in.
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Speaker 3: Squim yep both yess yes.
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Speaker 2: And so here we sit on this first day of
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Speaker 2: Draftmas twenty twenty six, looking over there at the fireplace,
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Speaker 2: checking out those loaded stockings filled with NFL draft rumors.
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Speaker 2: This is one of the staples of our Draftmas celebration.
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Speaker 2: Month long Draftmas celebration is the Draftmas catalog and the
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Speaker 2: daily check of the stocking stuffers right here on Chuck
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Speaker 2: and Buck in the morning. So happy Draftmas to you all.
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Speaker 2: We've also celebrated by apparently putting our unprepared asses on
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Speaker 2: YouTube today and so Hi, yeah, ye, it's me, your
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Speaker 2: hairy gray host.
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Speaker 3: I had to turn to the right so that they
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Speaker 3: could see my scary face.
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Speaker 1: Hello.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm like Santa Claus' is third cousin. That's what
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Speaker 2: I'm doing here, yeah twice removed to talk about the
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Speaker 2: latest stocking stuff heres the draft rumors. Here on day
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Speaker 2: number one of our Draftmas celebration. So shall we get going?
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Speaker 3: Yes? Please?
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Speaker 1: Shall we light this firecracker?
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the one that I've been sitting on
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Speaker 2: four days because I wanted to weigh in on this
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Speaker 2: last week, but it turned out between getting an NBA team,
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Speaker 2: the start of the Major League Baseball season, the NCAA Tournament,
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Speaker 2: and many other things, I had to like put this
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Speaker 2: on the back burner until Draftmas came around, until our
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Speaker 2: chestnuts were roasting on an open fire. And now I
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Speaker 2: do want to talk about dan Orlofsky's take on Fernando
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Speaker 2: Mendoza and Ty Simpson. If you haven't heard dan Orlovsky,
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Speaker 2: who I find to be a really good analyst, former
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Speaker 2: quarterback of the Detroit Lions who famously ran out of
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Speaker 2: the back of the end zone not thinking about where.
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Speaker 2: That's what he's most famous for. He's turned in to
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Speaker 2: be a really good analyst there.
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Speaker 1: At the worldwide leader.
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Speaker 2: But I do love the way that this was put
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Speaker 2: in a recent headline ESPN's dan Orlovsky runs out of
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Speaker 2: another end zone with his Fernando Mendoza take. Basically, what
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Speaker 2: Orlovsky is doing is he is pining for Ty Simpson
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Speaker 2: as a better NFL draft prospect than Fernando Mendoza, the
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Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winner, the National Championship quarterback. I'm here to
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Speaker 2: tell you that the draft process can be strange, and
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Speaker 2: there are a lot of times throughout draft history where
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Speaker 2: we've thought somebody was a fool and it turns out
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Speaker 2: that they were right.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think that we went back.
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Speaker 2: To correct our criticism of that person to the degree
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Speaker 2: that we criticized the take to begin with. And I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna give you a great example. When Reggie Bush came out.
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Speaker 2: We all thought Reggie Bush had to be the number
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Speaker 2: one pick. He was on the best players football players period,
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Speaker 2: forget running back, one of the best football players we'd
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Speaker 2: ever seen play college football. Of course he's going to
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Speaker 2: be the number one pick, and Charlie Casserly instead took
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Speaker 2: Mario Williams, the pass rusher for the Houston Texans, and
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Speaker 2: left Reggie Bush to go to the New Orleans Saints.
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Speaker 1: Turns out he was right.
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Speaker 2: Mario Williams had a better pro career than Reggie Bush.
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Speaker 2: But we did not circle back and give Charlie Casserly
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Speaker 2: near the credit for that pick, as we did crush him.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he lost his job because we the public
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Speaker 2: thought he was an idiot for not taking Reggie Bush.
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Speaker 1: He lost his job because of that, and he was right. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So I am here. It's Draftmas. I'm father, Draftmas.
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Speaker 3: It's me the Draftmas man.
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Speaker 1: Your old friend father.
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Speaker 2: I am open to any conversations. I'm open to any
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Speaker 2: smart take, and I think Dan Orlovsky, for the most part,
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Speaker 2: has smart takes. Tell me why Ty Simpson might be
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Speaker 2: better than Fernando Mendoza. I think there's a strong argument
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Speaker 2: that could be made by an intelligent person that could
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Speaker 2: convince me that maybe that is the case. And certainly,
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Speaker 2: only time will tell in this comparison as to who
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Speaker 2: will end up being the better NFL quarterback. Now, why
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Speaker 2: why is Dan Orlovsky taking so much heat? Because his
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Speaker 2: own people have called him out for being disingenuous with
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Speaker 2: his intentions. His own people had accused him of being
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Speaker 2: on the take. In other words, he has a relationship
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Speaker 2: with the agent of a certain player, or maybe he
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Speaker 2: has been told maybe there's a there's somebody with an
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Speaker 2: ESPN that wants him to have that take, so that
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Speaker 2: there's some balance. Since there's some controversy that's going on
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Speaker 2: because Dan Orlowski's reasoning for saying that Fernando Mendoza is
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Speaker 2: not going to be as good as a pro than
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Speaker 2: Ty Simpson is flawed, terrible at times. I mean, he's
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Speaker 2: gone as far as saying he's gone through a list
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Speaker 2: of the reasons why Simpson is better than Mendoza, and
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Speaker 2: one of the reasons is who played bigger in the
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Speaker 2: biggest games.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's dumb.
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Speaker 1: That was one of his reasons. Like wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: wait wait. You might be.
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Speaker 2: Able to say that Ty Simpson can spin it better
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Speaker 2: than Fernando Mendoza, and you might be able to see
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Speaker 2: something on film that me the lay person can't see,
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Speaker 2: or maybe his footwork or his timing. Maybe only an
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Speaker 2: NFL quarterback can understand the intricacies and explain to explain
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Speaker 2: to me how that translates to the NFL more so
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Speaker 2: than Fernando Mendoza's throwing style or whatever the case might be.
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Speaker 2: You might be able to do that, but you can't
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Speaker 2: sit here and tell the American public a flat out
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Speaker 2: lie in your defense for your take, there is no
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Speaker 2: way on earth that Ty Simpson owns the category of
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Speaker 2: more big throws in big moments than Fernando Mendoza. It
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Speaker 2: is a flat out lie, and it's why people it's
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Speaker 2: why people have gone as far his own friends on
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Speaker 2: television have gone as far as saying, Dan, you're not
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Speaker 2: being genuine, You're lying, and this is why people think
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Speaker 2: you're on the take, that you're getting money to save this.
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Speaker 2: And so he has really taken it. I mean, he
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Speaker 2: has been hammered for this, and I think necessarily so,
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Speaker 2: because frankly, what I believe has happened here is not
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Speaker 2: that he's taking money from an agent, although maybe he is.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't rule it out. What I think is happening
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Speaker 2: here is Dan Orlovsky had a contract dispute and he
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Speaker 2: said right on the air, I might not be back
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Speaker 2: because he wasn't making nearly as much money as the
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Speaker 2: stephen A. Smiths and other people on the network, and
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Speaker 2: he felt that is I mean, I'm not saying that
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Speaker 2: he felt he should make more money, but he didn't
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Speaker 2: like the discrepancy between Smith's salary and his salary, and
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Speaker 2: he stated before they even got the negotiation, I might
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Speaker 2: not be back. So I think what happened is they
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Speaker 2: pulled him behind closed doors and said, hey, if you
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Speaker 2: want to be paid like Steven A.
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Speaker 1: Smith.
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Speaker 2: Do you want to know what his secret recipe is?
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Speaker 2: That he says outlandish, crazy things and then finds a
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Speaker 2: way to defend them and support them where he sounds
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Speaker 2: to most audience members credible. If you want to be
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Speaker 2: more like Smith, and you want to be paid more
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Speaker 2: like Smith, and you want to get more followers, and
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Speaker 2: you want to get and you want to create clickbait,
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Speaker 2: because that's what we are as a network, that's all
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Speaker 2: we're about.
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Speaker 1: We're not really about journalism.
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Speaker 2: We're just about we want people to watch our product
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Speaker 2: and scream at it. Then we're going to need you
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Speaker 2: to be a buddy in this next contract. And when
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Speaker 2: there's a story or a situation that you like to
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Speaker 2: discuss and maybe you have a bit of an alternative,
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Speaker 2: I need you to go all in on that. I
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Speaker 2: think dan Orlovsky thought to himself, this is one of
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Speaker 2: those issues. I actually like Ty Simpson better than everybody
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Speaker 2: else does. And I see some flaws in Fernando Mendoza,
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Speaker 2: but they he looked at it as an opportunity to
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Speaker 2: here's my chance to implement the things they've told me
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Speaker 2: to do as an ESPN talking head, And I'm going
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Speaker 2: to go all in, even if I even make stuff
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Speaker 2: up to defend my argument so that I can be
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Speaker 2: in the headlines. And then what happened. He got in
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Speaker 2: the headlines. He was getting destroyed, and then he spent
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Speaker 2: the next week crying and apparently was angry at Pat
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Speaker 2: McAfee and everybody else who'd called him out on the airwaves.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he deserved to be called out.
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Speaker 1: He deserved to.
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Speaker 2: Be called out, So Stephen a Smith, because that's what
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Speaker 2: he does for a lift, right, that's what That's how
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Speaker 2: he built his empire.
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Speaker 3: But he also can take it when people call him
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Speaker 3: out for this.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but he is intentionally trying to be reckless
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Speaker 2: with his takes and trying to skirt the edge, and
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Speaker 2: he wants people to yell at him. And that's how
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Speaker 2: he built his empire. And Orlovsky wants the same empire.
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Speaker 1: And his first.
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Speaker 2: Salvage salva savoy, salvoy salvage, I don't.
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Speaker 1: Know, into this world. He ended up stepping.
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Speaker 3: On his did that work that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's better? His first foray into it. He ended
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Speaker 2: up stepping on his Orlovsky uh and and now and
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Speaker 2: then crying about it behind the scenes. And so you
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Speaker 2: get what you pay for. You reap what you sew
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Speaker 2: in this industry, if you're going to try to have
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Speaker 2: hot takes just to have hot takes and then people
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Speaker 2: slam you for them, then you better be able to
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Speaker 2: take it. So that's personally, I mean, this is a
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Speaker 2: rumor segment. That's what I believe went down in this situation.
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Speaker 2: But again, just to wrap this fine point up, I
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Speaker 2: do think that I'm open to hearing an argument that
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Speaker 2: not only elevates Ty Simpson as a quarterback, but I
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Speaker 2: think that there are some things weird things about Fernando Mendoz.
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Speaker 2: He's a goofball. I'm not sure he can lead a
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Speaker 2: group of adult men in a locker room. I mean
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Speaker 2: he comes to across to me like.
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Speaker 1: Like a cast member in Glee.
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Speaker 3: That's actually a pretty good description.
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Speaker 2: You know, and I'm not sure that works in an
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Speaker 2: NFL locker room as the quarterback. But but you've got
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Speaker 2: to use actual elements that relate to the topic, and
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Speaker 2: you can't just in a string of negatives against Fernando
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Speaker 2: Mendoza even suggest that he didn't play well in big
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Speaker 2: games or that Ty Simpson has more big He lost
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Speaker 2: thirty eight to three to Indiana. Ty Simpson in the
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Speaker 2: playoffs wasn't playing well, got hurt, didn't play the second half,
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Speaker 2: but he was already being outplayed at that point in
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Speaker 2: the game.
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Speaker 4: And if he didn't play the second half, you definitely
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Speaker 4: can't use that as an argument that he had a
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Speaker 4: bigger moment in a big game. Yeah, right, he wasn't
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Speaker 4: playing right, right, I mean, I.
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Speaker 2: Mean, you can't play in bigger games than what Fernando
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Speaker 2: Mendoza did. And maybe he didn't play great from quarter
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Speaker 2: number one to quarter number four in all of them,
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Speaker 2: but he did something championship like in every single game
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Speaker 2: that he played, including the Penn State game where he
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Speaker 2: threw the game winning touchdown in the back of the end.
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Speaker 1: Zone, do mar Cooper.
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Speaker 2: So that's one criticism you just can't levy against Fernando
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Speaker 2: Mendoza and come away sound incredible.
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Speaker 3: Well, and he has to know that.
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Speaker 4: I Mean, here's the thing is, if you want to
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Speaker 4: even make that argument, okay, so then point out all
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Speaker 4: of ty Simpson's bigger moments or biggest moments and point
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Speaker 4: out for nana Mendoza's biggest moments, and then you could
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Speaker 4: now let's see your argument.
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Speaker 3: But he can't because it's an invalid argument.
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Speaker 4: And so, yeah, there was plenty of things you could
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Speaker 4: have said that people might listen.
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Speaker 3: That's a stupid one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Todd McShay has come out and said,
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Speaker 2: you know, Dan Olofsky's not wrong about Ty Simpson. Okay,
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Speaker 2: but yes, give me the argument for Ty Simpson. I'm
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Speaker 2: here for it. I want to listen to it. But
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Speaker 2: don't make up stuff so that you think we're not
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Speaker 2: listening and paying attention ourselves. Even though we didn't play
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Speaker 2: quarterback and run out of the back of an end
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Speaker 2: zone one time to make our self infamous.
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Speaker 1: We still do follow football a little bit.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to buy the argument from an
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Speaker 2: expert that says Fernando Mendoza had fewer moments of big
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Speaker 2: throws in big games.
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Speaker 1: Than Ty Simpson. That's asinine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, what else do we have in our
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Speaker 2: little stocking stuff for bend over here? Let's go to
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Speaker 2: mackay Lemon, another controversial subject. Apparently, his affect at the
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Speaker 2: NFL Combine left a lot of NFL people, reporters, executives dismayed.
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Speaker 2: They were wondering, why is he acting this way? Why
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Speaker 2: is he trying to act cooler than the room. Does
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Speaker 2: he not realize that this is the NFL's version of
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Speaker 2: a job interview here the NFL combine. And yet mackay
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Speaker 2: Lemon spent the entire week kind of being disinterested and
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Speaker 2: when asked questions, he was trying to act cool and
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Speaker 2: it didn't really come off that way. Well, he's been
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Speaker 2: given some time to think about it and strategically put
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Speaker 2: together a little interview session at USC to kind of
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Speaker 2: explain his actions, and he ended up making it worse.
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Speaker 3: Why do you stay grounded amidst all the noise and
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Speaker 3: leading up to the.
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Speaker 2: Draft and the process and all the distractions everything like that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, definitely, you know, I just let the mediaself. No,
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Speaker 3: you know, let the house I you know, the formative being,
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Speaker 3: you know, just me and myself, you know, keeping with
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Speaker 3: my faith in an order.
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Speaker 2: No, it's not like you feel like being your authentic
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Speaker 2: self played well with teams of the colbine. Yeah, you know, definitely,
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Speaker 2: you know I'm going in there, you know, being myself,
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Speaker 2: you know, don't want to be nobody else, you know,
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Speaker 2: trying to supply so doesn't want to be myself and
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Speaker 2: knows this is the worst pr advice anyone has ever
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Speaker 2: been given. Okay, okay, okay, okay, my kay, let's break
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Speaker 2: this down a little bit. So you acted like a
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Speaker 2: complete jerk, disinterested in the process, dismissive of reporters and executives,
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Speaker 2: and then, with given the time to think about this,
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Speaker 2: to try and rehab your image before the draft, you
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Speaker 2: held a press conference to basically say.
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Speaker 1: That's me.
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Speaker 3: You have to double down.
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Speaker 2: That jerk that you saw at the combine. I'm just
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Speaker 2: being myself.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that plays well with teams. Wow.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, that is some record setting stupidity right there.
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Speaker 3: It was pretty dumb.
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Speaker 4: I mean the don't say anything at that that would
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Speaker 4: have been way better. Just don't say anything, don't meet
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Speaker 4: with the media, don't do anything.
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Speaker 2: You strategized to do that. Yeah, he's a first round talent,
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Speaker 2: and he probably is still going to be taken in
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Speaker 2: the first round. There's still probably going to be an
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Speaker 2: executive out there that says, you know what, we have
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Speaker 2: really good people. We got good coaches, we got good motivators,
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Speaker 2: we got a good staff.
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Speaker 1: We'll fix that.
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Speaker 2: But I think that there are Tony Softly used to
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Speaker 2: teach me this all the time you meet a guy,
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter how talented he is, you just take him
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Speaker 2: off your board, like I don't want them. Like the
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Speaker 2: board that NFL teams have. This is what I learned
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Speaker 2: through Tony is a lot smaller than what we think
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Speaker 2: it is. I used to think that they just graded
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Speaker 2: them ball and ranked them, and they had one hundred
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Speaker 2: and sixty five one to one sixty five that were
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Speaker 2: up on their board and they crossed them off and
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Speaker 2: as they went Nope, the board is like thirteen players.
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Speaker 2: And so there are a lot of reasons why NFL
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Speaker 2: general managers coaches cross guys off the list. They just like,
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Speaker 2: he's undraftable. To me, that's undraftable. If I'm I hope
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Speaker 2: John Schneider has crossed him off the list then because
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Speaker 2: I do not want that attitude on my football team.
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Speaker 2: That you're going to act that dismissive in a job
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Speaker 2: interview because you're too cool to answer questions about yourself
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Speaker 2: given three weeks to think about your actions, hold a
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Speaker 2: press conference and doubled down on No, that jerk you saw. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's me, and it's cool, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, teams are gonna love me.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pure stupidity.
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Speaker 4: But I am also not surprised because these days people
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Speaker 4: surround themselves with yes people, and I'm sure someone told him, yeah,
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Speaker 4: just be yourself, you're good, and so they didn't coach
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Speaker 4: him up, they didn't do anything.
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Speaker 3: They just let him go out and be himself, and
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Speaker 3: that's what we got.
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Speaker 1: I hope you get drafted in the eighth round, eight
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Speaker 1: seven round.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, yeah, I hope you are undrafted. I really,
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not going to happen. But that's far
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Speaker 2: worse than anything Shador did.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, you hope he pulls the Shador and
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Speaker 3: just drops down the board.
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Speaker 2: Then that turns me off far more. I mean, he
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Speaker 2: might be a better talent, but that's far more. I'm
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Speaker 2: way more turned off by that than I am by
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Speaker 2: Chador acting cocky. Yeah, well, that is You've been having
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Speaker 2: a chance to kind of redeem your mistake and you
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Speaker 2: just decided to say, no, I'm gonna own it. I
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Speaker 2: am that guy, that guy that you saw that nobody liked. No,
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Speaker 2: that's me, but that's me.
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Speaker 3: That's the thing too, is he didn't even own it,
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Speaker 3: own it, right, he was just like, no, this is great.
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Speaker 3: I am myself. I'm authentically me.
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Speaker 4: It wasn't like if he'd come out and been like,
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Speaker 4: you know what, that is who I that is who
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Speaker 4: I am. I know that some people might not like it,
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Speaker 4: and actually really made a statement even that I would
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Speaker 4: respect more than his kind of like, no, that's just
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Speaker 4: me and you know I am part of what God
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Speaker 4: created and that's me. Yeah that I didn't even seem
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Speaker 4: confident in that.
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Speaker 2: That should be the first lesson taught in every PR
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Speaker 2: training session and for the rest of mankind, here's what
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Speaker 2: not to do. Yeah, yeah, all right, coming up next, Well,
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Speaker 2: Colt Emerson is not that type. And now we've got
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Speaker 2: the next nine years, even though he hasn't ever worn.
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Speaker 1: A Mariner uniform in a major league game.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk about the timing of it all from the
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Speaker 2: Mariner standpoint, and also compare him to the Evan White situation,
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Speaker 2: you know, like a good group outing to Tledo Persort
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Speaker 2: Casine or a month long celebration of the NFL Draft,
20:02
Speaker 2: and for him to miss out on either of those things,
20:06
Speaker 2: but that's just heartbreaking.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagine he is really sad to be missing
20:11
Speaker 3: Draftmas especially, but devastated if he would be devastated if
20:16
Speaker 3: we went to t Lalap without him.
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Speaker 2: Let's do it then, Okay, yeah, that's really find coile on. Yeah,
20:21
Speaker 2: let's really knock him down a peggarty. Yeah, yeah, we'll
20:23
Speaker 2: do it.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you do it as well. Rub it in his face,
20:26
Speaker 1: send him a you know, a.
20:27
Speaker 2: Tweet about the good time you're having at t Layalip
20:31
Speaker 2: Resort Casino. Meanwhile, he's missing out on Draftmas. So if
20:36
Speaker 2: he goes to tu Laylap, then we know he shouldn't
20:38
Speaker 2: be missing out on Draftmas.
20:40
Speaker 1: I mean, he's really caught between a rock and a
20:41
Speaker 1: hard place.
20:42
Speaker 2: Yeah he is. All right, it's Ashley and it's Chuck
20:44
Speaker 2: with you here on this Wednesday morning, the first day
20:47
Speaker 2: of Draft Miss, and we will open up the pages
20:49
Speaker 2: of the Draftmas catalog twenty twenty six style for the
20:52
Speaker 2: first time this season, coming up at nine o'clock today.
20:56
Speaker 2: But I don't want to talk some Major League baseball,
20:57
Speaker 2: specifically about Colt Emerson. Mariners stole all the headlines in
21:01
Speaker 2: Major League baseball yesterday by giving a young man, an
21:05
Speaker 2: unproven major league player, a contract that made him a
21:08
Speaker 2: multi millionaire before he ever saw his first pitch at
21:11
Speaker 2: the major league level. Emerson, currently at Tacoma, is the
21:14
Speaker 2: number one prospect in the organization and by all accounts,
21:17
Speaker 2: about as close of a can't miss guy as there
21:22
Speaker 2: is under the age of twenty one right now. And
21:24
Speaker 2: even if he ever never does blossom into a superstar,
21:28
Speaker 2: there is a belief that his floor is so high
21:30
Speaker 2: he at least is going to be at the very
21:32
Speaker 2: least a good, productive Major League baseball player, and maybe
21:36
Speaker 2: as early as this year, maybe as early as next month.
21:40
Speaker 2: As he was being discussed as possibly making this roster
21:45
Speaker 2: back in spring training. And so the deal is an
21:48
Speaker 2: eight year, ninety five million dollar deal, It could be
21:51
Speaker 2: a nine year, one hundred and thirty million dollars deal
21:54
Speaker 2: before it's up. It would take him through his age
21:56
Speaker 2: twenty nine season. He's only twenty years old, and so
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Speaker 2: he's locked up for the Mariners for a long time.
22:02
Speaker 2: Most of the reaction to that has been You've got
22:04
Speaker 2: to be kidding me, how could you do that with
22:06
Speaker 2: somebody who's not proven. My reaction was different, and I
22:11
Speaker 2: got bolstered. I got support for this by a lot
22:15
Speaker 2: of the people that I love in this business. I
22:18
Speaker 2: love their analysis. I trust their analysis. I had to
22:21
Speaker 2: make mine in the moment, and then to find out
22:23
Speaker 2: that so many of the people whose opinions I admire
22:26
Speaker 2: believe the way I do it was encouraging reassuring for
22:31
Speaker 2: me that I had the right take on this. I
22:33
Speaker 2: think it's an absolute steal. Yeah, I agree again, I'm
22:37
Speaker 2: just gonna rip through it. Like salary arbitration numbers are
22:41
Speaker 2: up to even in RB one, We're up to millions
22:45
Speaker 2: in RB one, and then by ARB three arbitrations three season.
22:49
Speaker 2: Trek Skuoble just set a record thirty two million dollars.
22:52
Speaker 2: I mean, that's up from thirteen and a half million
22:54
Speaker 2: that was the old mark. In twenty nineteen and seven years,
22:58
Speaker 2: it went from thirteen and a half half to thirty
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Speaker 2: two million. So if cold Emerson's as good as we
23:03
Speaker 2: think he is, by the time he hits arbitration, he'd
23:08
Speaker 2: probably make more money in arbitration than he'll make in
23:11
Speaker 2: this contract. That's crazy, thirty two million dollars for Trek Skooble.
23:16
Speaker 2: Even if he just ends up being a good player
23:18
Speaker 2: six years from now, arbitration numbers could be so out
23:22
Speaker 2: of whack that he might make thirty He might make
23:27
Speaker 2: more in arbitration years if he would have never signed
23:30
Speaker 2: this deal. And then when he becomes a free agent
23:33
Speaker 2: at twenty six without this deal, where where's free agency
23:38
Speaker 2: money going to be at that point? I mean, it's
23:40
Speaker 2: gone from forty million to seventy five million as the
23:46
Speaker 2: highest paid player in Major League Baseball. Okay, let's not
23:49
Speaker 2: take Choi Aotani because he's a freak. Forty million to
23:52
Speaker 2: sixty one million in the span of two years for
23:55
Speaker 2: the highest paid player in Major League Baseball at that rate.
23:59
Speaker 2: I mean Kyle Tucker's making fifty five million dollars a year.
24:02
Speaker 2: Kyl Rawley is making eighteen and he just signed the
24:05
Speaker 2: year before. So at that rate, what is free agency
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Speaker 2: going to look like?
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Speaker 1: I mean, is a good.
24:12
Speaker 2: Player gonna make sixty million dollars a year? Well, we
24:15
Speaker 2: just got this guy nine years for ninety five. Like
24:19
Speaker 2: that's a steal if you ask me.
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Speaker 3: No, absolutely.
24:22
Speaker 4: And I do understand Mariners fans. You know, there's always
24:27
Speaker 4: this feeling of are we cursed?
24:30
Speaker 3: Right? Is the organization cursed?
24:32
Speaker 4: And so when something like this happens, and the last
24:34
Speaker 4: person that had this similar situation was Evan White and
24:37
Speaker 4: that did not work out well at all, I understand
24:40
Speaker 4: the it's like an instinct right to go back to
24:43
Speaker 4: the oh, here we go again, because this happened with
24:46
Speaker 4: Evan White, not the same situation.
24:49
Speaker 3: I do not have that same fear. I did think
24:52
Speaker 3: about it right away, but not in a way of
24:55
Speaker 3: like what are the Mariners doing? I mean, it's a
24:58
Speaker 3: smart move. It's a very smart move for the marinors.
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Speaker 2: Le's talk about the Evan White thing because I did
25:02
Speaker 2: want to kind of compare and contrast Number one not
25:06
Speaker 2: near the player Evan White was treated that way for
25:11
Speaker 2: a couple of reasons. Number One, they liked him the
25:14
Speaker 2: person so much and the floor of him being an
25:18
Speaker 2: exceptional defender, which he was so much that they thought,
25:22
Speaker 2: this is the type of person that we want to
25:26
Speaker 2: build around and at the very least we have a
25:28
Speaker 2: goal club first baseman, which he proved to be. Yeah, okay, now,
25:32
Speaker 2: what they didn't foresee happening was horrible injuries and him
25:38
Speaker 2: not being able to adjust to the swing that they
25:42
Speaker 2: wanted him to incorporate into his game to create more power,
25:46
Speaker 2: and he got angry about it and eventually fell out
25:49
Speaker 2: of favor with the organization.
25:51
Speaker 1: So there's that.
25:52
Speaker 2: Secondly, these contracts are largely motivated by John Stanton. John
25:57
Speaker 2: Stanton loves these deals. John stand does not like signing
26:00
Speaker 2: free agents. If you haven't been able to tell, He
26:04
Speaker 2: likes these types of deals, and he liked them back
26:09
Speaker 2: with Evan White. This was John putting the cart before
26:12
Speaker 2: the horse. This was John loving the idea of this
26:17
Speaker 2: deal before he really had the chance to avow it,
26:20
Speaker 2: for the organization had a chance to evaluate the long
26:23
Speaker 2: term potential of Evan White, and so John was like,
26:28
Speaker 2: this is the type of foundation piece that we want
26:31
Speaker 2: in our clubhouse. And this is also the type of
26:34
Speaker 2: deal that I want to establish that we'd like to
26:36
Speaker 2: make as an organization. So this sort of thing is
26:40
Speaker 2: kind of motivated by John's business mind. And so I
26:46
Speaker 2: think they did put the cart before the horse. They
26:48
Speaker 2: got ahead of themselves with Evan White once upon a time.
26:52
Speaker 2: This is a whole different ballgame. This cat's different and
26:55
Speaker 2: cold Emerson is just a far more complete player. Evan
26:59
Speaker 2: why I was never talked about as being maybe the
27:02
Speaker 2: top prospect in the sport, never came close to the
27:06
Speaker 2: top five. I don't even know if he made the
27:07
Speaker 2: top one hundred at any time. We're talking about a
27:10
Speaker 2: bona fide ready to be a player in the major
27:14
Speaker 2: leagues right now, and his upside. I think his floor
27:17
Speaker 2: is ridiculously high. And think about free agent signings. I
27:24
Speaker 2: mean he's averaging twelve million a year.
27:26
Speaker 1: With this deal.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I that's when you break it down
27:30
Speaker 4: like that. So yes, I understand looking at it.
27:32
Speaker 1: Of that's what much Garver cost.
27:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, you break when you say like ninety five million dollars.
27:37
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that looks like that sounds like so
27:39
Speaker 4: much money, right, He could make one hundred and thirty
27:41
Speaker 4: million dollars.
27:41
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that's.
27:42
Speaker 2: So many works out that last year only gets picked
27:45
Speaker 2: out if he's great.
27:46
Speaker 3: If he's doing a great job.
27:48
Speaker 4: And it's so when you think about it, Yeah, and
27:50
Speaker 4: you break it down to what he's actually making per year.
27:54
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how you could be mad
27:55
Speaker 3: about it.
27:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, you shouldn't be mad about And it's what Garver
27:57
Speaker 1: got paid.
27:58
Speaker 2: You don't think what we should invest in call old
28:00
Speaker 2: Emerson the way that we did Mitch Carver, a guy
28:01
Speaker 2: that potentially six years from now we won't be able
28:04
Speaker 2: to afford, right, and now we've got him for nine.
28:06
Speaker 3: I think it's worth the risk.
28:08
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I love it. I think it's an absolute steal.
28:11
Speaker 2: Here's just quickly some other things to take into account.
28:14
Speaker 2: What is the next CBA going to look like?
28:16
Speaker 1: None of us know.
28:18
Speaker 2: Maybe the Mariners have a little bit of inside information,
28:20
Speaker 2: because every organization is putting this together right now, they're
28:24
Speaker 2: all contemplating it. We weren't the only team to do
28:27
Speaker 2: this this week. Cooper Pratt with the Milwaukee Brewers just
28:30
Speaker 2: did it two days prior, and he's not near the
28:33
Speaker 2: prospect that Cole t Emerson is. So everybody in baseball
28:36
Speaker 2: is thinking along these lines, and I think maybe they
28:40
Speaker 2: know something that maybe we better get these young players
28:44
Speaker 2: before we have the new collective bargaining agreement. And I
28:47
Speaker 2: don't know how to explain what the new collective bargaining
28:50
Speaker 2: agreement will look like, but maybe there's something about it
28:54
Speaker 2: that executives and owners know are going to change the
28:57
Speaker 2: way that we pay players going forward. And maybe they're like,
29:01
Speaker 2: let's get these young guys signed now, because we're not
29:05
Speaker 2: going to be able to sling them. I mean, maybe
29:07
Speaker 2: it's one of these things. Here's an idea. Maybe it
29:10
Speaker 2: is in order to get a salary cap, which Rob
29:15
Speaker 2: Manford wants, we might have to make free agency after
29:18
Speaker 2: five years or four years in order to satisfy the players.
29:23
Speaker 2: If a player doesn't have to wait six years and
29:25
Speaker 2: instead only has to wait four, do you realize the
29:27
Speaker 2: financial landscape that that changes. Maybe that's what they know
29:32
Speaker 2: that cold Emerson and his agent don't know, is that
29:35
Speaker 2: in the future cold Emerson's going to be a free
29:37
Speaker 2: agent after four years or maybe three, we can lock
29:41
Speaker 2: them up to nine right now. Yeah, that's one thing
29:45
Speaker 2: to consider. Second thing to consenter is an incentive. There's
29:49
Speaker 2: an incentive now in the sport, which is what we
29:51
Speaker 2: all wanted as baseball fans, for activation of young players.
29:55
Speaker 2: We were tired of organizations sitting on guys because they
29:58
Speaker 2: were trying to control their years and their service time. Well,
30:02
Speaker 2: now that he signed, there is nothing holding back to
30:05
Speaker 2: Mariners from activating him when he's ready. And believe me,
30:09
Speaker 2: they believe he's near ready and ready to contribute on
30:13
Speaker 2: a daily basis to a world championship caliber team. So
30:17
Speaker 2: there's that, and then the third thing, going back to
30:20
Speaker 2: the first thing, is that right now the Pirates are
30:25
Speaker 2: trying to resign their top prospect, trying to do the
30:27
Speaker 2: same thing with their top prospect. A lot of teams
30:30
Speaker 2: are with their top prospects right now.
30:33
Speaker 1: Maybe the Mariners were like, Hey, this is a very
30:36
Speaker 1: JSN like thing. Let's not let somebody else set the market.
30:42
Speaker 1: Let's set the market ourselves.
30:44
Speaker 2: Let's not chase what Pittsburgh might pay Connor Griffin. Let's
30:48
Speaker 2: not chase what Milwaukee might pay Jacob Mizerowski. Let's go
30:55
Speaker 2: ahead and get our guy now, so that we don't
30:58
Speaker 2: find out that the Pirates gave Connor Griffin ten years
31:03
Speaker 2: you know, one seventy and now the agent's going to.
31:07
Speaker 1: Use that against this.
31:08
Speaker 2: Let's set the market ourselves versus having to chase what
31:13
Speaker 2: others are going to pay. I think all of that
31:16
Speaker 2: makes one thousand percent. Since I think this was a steal.
31:20
Speaker 2: I think Jerry and Justin and John got one over
31:23
Speaker 2: on Colt Emerson's agent quite frankly.
31:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even if he's not a superstar, if he
31:28
Speaker 3: is a solid player, fourteen million dollars a year, I mean,
31:32
Speaker 3: you still are getting a great deal.
31:33
Speaker 1: It's really twelve or twelve million dollars.
31:35
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, see so and even if he's not a superstar,
31:38
Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of players.
31:40
Speaker 2: Like I said, Mitch Garver's twelve million dollars a year. Yeah,
31:43
Speaker 2: we weren't getting a superstar. We knew, we thought we
31:45
Speaker 2: were getting a better player than what we got, but
31:47
Speaker 2: we knew we weren't getting a superstar. This guy is
31:49
Speaker 2: a chance to be the superstar. And he's locked up
31:51
Speaker 2: for twelve million dollars a year for the next eight seasons.
31:54
Speaker 2: And only if he's great do we pick up the
31:56
Speaker 2: ninth year.
31:56
Speaker 3: Right exactly?
31:57
Speaker 1: All right?
31:57
Speaker 2: Coming up next, what if I were to say that
32:01
Speaker 2: maybe the umpires don't look as bad as what you
32:03
Speaker 2: think they look with this ABS system. I think you
32:07
Speaker 2: want to hear the explanation behind that.
32:08
Speaker 1: We'll do it next.
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Speaker 2: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Oh, I do
32:13
Speaker 2: love the ABS challenge system.
32:16
Speaker 1: I do love it. Do you really think it was
32:18
Speaker 1: a great decision?
32:19
Speaker 3: Good be couldn't tell if you're being sarcastic.
32:21
Speaker 1: No, no, no.
32:21
Speaker 2: I've been supporting it for years and now we have it,
32:24
Speaker 2: and I think I think it's been great. It's added
32:26
Speaker 2: a little bit of an element for the fans to
32:28
Speaker 2: another thing to root for. I mean, people are really
32:30
Speaker 2: getting switched on by when we go to the big
32:32
Speaker 2: board to find out whether or not it was them
32:34
Speaker 2: all or a strike, if our player's right, if their
32:36
Speaker 2: players right, at the umpire's right. And I think that
32:40
Speaker 2: it could help umpiring actually in the long run. But
32:44
Speaker 2: I don't think that it is exposing the umpires for
32:47
Speaker 2: being as bad as what a lot of people think.
32:50
Speaker 1: That they are.
32:51
Speaker 2: Right now, the ratio is fifty four percent, the players
32:54
Speaker 2: are winning on challenges against forty six. I mean not
32:58
Speaker 2: in and of itself, that's not that big of a different.
33:00
Speaker 2: I mean we are talking about calls that are right
33:03
Speaker 2: on the edge, right, we are talking about the borderline strikes, right,
33:09
Speaker 2: and so fifty four to forty six it's not like
33:13
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like the Yankees, who are I
33:14
Speaker 2: think ten and one so far something like that, or
33:17
Speaker 2: at least we're ten and one going into last night.
33:19
Speaker 1: The whole the.
33:21
Speaker 2: Enormity of it is fifty four to forty six. I
33:24
Speaker 2: don't think that that's that embarrassing of a ratio. And
33:29
Speaker 2: it also fact you have to factor in there are
33:31
Speaker 2: some terrible umpires.
33:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the terrible umpires like C. B.
33:36
Speaker 2: Buckner and the guy we saw a couple of nights ago,
33:38
Speaker 2: they're kind of ruining the curve for every other umpire.
33:42
Speaker 2: So if we just eliminated like the you know, the
33:45
Speaker 2: Russian judges score, if we just eliminated the five worse.
33:50
Speaker 1: Then the ratio would.
33:51
Speaker 2: Be the umpires are actually know the strike's own better
33:55
Speaker 2: than the players on average. If you took the five
33:57
Speaker 2: worst players rates and the five umpires rates out of it,
34:02
Speaker 2: then the umpires would be winning in the head to
34:05
Speaker 2: head competition. So I think in a way it's not
34:09
Speaker 2: been all that terrible for umpires even though I know
34:13
Speaker 2: they don't like being put on blast like that during
34:16
Speaker 2: the game. I don't think that the numbers suggest that
34:18
Speaker 2: they're as bad as a whole as what we're carrying on.
34:23
Speaker 2: But what I think the best part of this is
34:26
Speaker 2: it is exposing the absolute worst ones.
34:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that.
34:31
Speaker 2: And I think if we get nothing more, I mean,
34:34
Speaker 2: we're getting something out of it. We're actually getting the
34:36
Speaker 2: correct results more often than not. We're still living with
34:39
Speaker 2: some bad calls, but we now have a system where
34:42
Speaker 2: we're going to get more right calls than wrong calls.
34:46
Speaker 1: And so that's good. Number Two.
34:48
Speaker 2: It's given us something to sort of root for that
34:50
Speaker 2: we never thought we would root for in a baseball game,
34:52
Speaker 2: and fans are switched on by it. So just another
34:55
Speaker 2: thing that's spicing up this game, which for a long
34:58
Speaker 2: time was called dull and plotting by a lot of people.
35:03
Speaker 2: And then the third thing is that I do believe
35:06
Speaker 2: it should maybe it won't, but it better lead to
35:09
Speaker 2: the worst umpires getting exposed once and for all. We
35:13
Speaker 2: have stats to back that up, and now Baseball can
35:16
Speaker 2: use that to get rid of them and get them
35:18
Speaker 2: out of our game once and for all. So I
35:21
Speaker 2: just I think it's working. I think it's working like
35:23
Speaker 2: a charm right now.
35:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would say too.
35:26
Speaker 4: I mean, especially in the case of the umpire on Monday,
35:28
Speaker 4: I don't even think it exposed him as being terrible.
35:30
Speaker 4: It was very similar calls that were pretty I mean
35:33
Speaker 4: really really really.
35:34
Speaker 3: Close in some of the cases.
35:37
Speaker 4: And then he improved, as he pointed out, I mean
35:39
Speaker 4: it made he did get better after that. So yeah, yeah,
35:43
Speaker 4: I think so interact again and made an adjustment to
35:45
Speaker 4: whatever he was calling, right and so, but I do think,
35:49
Speaker 4: I mean the yank when the Yankees got a challenge
35:51
Speaker 4: wrong last night, I was so excited. I was like,
35:54
Speaker 4: finally they get a challenge wrong. Thank you Abs Gods.
35:59
Speaker 2: And look, I mean, we're not going to hold it
36:01
Speaker 2: against that guy that missed the five calls in a row,
36:05
Speaker 2: even C. B. Buckner, who we all know is bad.
36:08
Speaker 2: We have to let the process play itself out.
36:11
Speaker 1: But we get halfway through the year.
36:12
Speaker 2: Just like I told Ryan Healy the other day, if
36:14
Speaker 2: a hitters hitting one seventy two halfway through the year,
36:17
Speaker 2: they get demoted, they get benched, or.
36:19
Speaker 1: They just get absolutely released.
36:22
Speaker 2: I don't know why umpires are impervious to that level
36:26
Speaker 2: of discipline. Managers are hitting coaches, pitching coaches. They're all
36:32
Speaker 2: held to a standard that if the stats say that
36:34
Speaker 2: you're not effective, then something is done to take their
36:39
Speaker 2: money away.
36:40
Speaker 3: I mean, in every job, you're evaluated.
36:42
Speaker 2: Exactly, and yet umpires apparently are above this. If this
36:45
Speaker 2: leads to halfway through the season, now Buckner, we have look,
36:50
Speaker 2: you're missing more than anybody.
36:53
Speaker 1: You gotta go. And I hope that's what it leads to.
36:56
Speaker 1: But so far, so good.
36:58
Speaker 2: I think ABS is working, and I don't know where
37:01
Speaker 2: it ends. I don't know if it just ends with
37:02
Speaker 2: the you know, the the computers calling the balls and strikes.
37:06
Speaker 2: It probably will. It probably will, But right now, I
37:09
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if the umpires as a
37:11
Speaker 2: whole are coming off as badly as what we think
37:16
Speaker 2: they are.
37:17
Speaker 3: I think that's fair, Okay.
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Speaker 1: All right, Coming up next, it's Draft miss Time.
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Speaker 2: It's Draft miss Time on Sports Radio ninety three point
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