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Colin Cowherd Podcast - NFL Draft Combine, Mendoza A Lock To Raiders At #1, Eagles Drama, Chiefs Rebuild? · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. All right, I thought i'd bring in former
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Speaker 1: NFL scout John Middlecoff three and out, who spent a
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Speaker 1: couple of days at the Combine, and it's real deal making.
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Speaker 1: For the three days people are in the executives are
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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, it is a lot of nate late nights, John,
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Speaker 1: can you confirm that it's late nights and early mornings.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a lot, Colin, These guys
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Speaker 2: are letting it rip, you know, in fairness, it's not
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Speaker 2: a normal life day lead, especially the coaches. The six
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Speaker 2: months you get to the Combine, which by all accounts
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Speaker 2: is tamed down dramatically from where it was. I think,
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Speaker 2: free cell phones, it's nothing too crazy, but I mean
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Speaker 2: it's it's an event unlike I mean, you have every
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Speaker 2: NFL head coach out to dinner, out to cocktails, out
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Speaker 2: with each other, every GM, every assistant GM. Think about
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Speaker 2: all the coordinators now that used to be head coaches
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Speaker 2: that are pretty famous. Walking around Indianapolis isn't exactly London.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's not that many places to go, so
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Speaker 2: safe to say that JW. Marriott is ripping every night.
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Speaker 2: So I had to get out of there, Collin, because
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Speaker 2: I couldn't last more than forty eight hours.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk first, John Snyder. I saw you sat down
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Speaker 1: with him the Seattle GM. I think he's being now
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Speaker 1: fairly regarded as maybe the best drafting GM in the league.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of different skills. There's free agency, there's trading.
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Speaker 1: Howie Rosen's probably the most aggressive. I don't think you
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Speaker 1: can deny that John Snyder is the best drafting GM
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Speaker 1: if you look at his track record or really since
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Speaker 1: Pete left and he completely absolutely took over the entire draft.
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Speaker 1: But he's got some tough decisions to make. Kenneth Walker
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Speaker 1: is you know there's going to be a market for
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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker. Teams like Kansas City in the AFC you
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Speaker 1: need a running back and it's a bad running back draft.
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Speaker 1: But give me your kind of sense of how John's
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Speaker 1: feeling and the kind of the crust he's kind of
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Speaker 1: riding now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think his personality feels the same whether he
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Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl or whether you would see him
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Speaker 2: when they would get bounced in the first round. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: obviously he's pretty elated come into this to this combine.
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Speaker 2: One thing he mentioned is he's because they just went
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Speaker 2: I mean they were playing two weeks ago. He's behind
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Speaker 2: on the draft. He's spent all of his energy getting
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Speaker 2: ready for free agency. They have a ton of money.
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Speaker 2: I personally would probably let Kenneth Walker walk. Yeah, unless
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Speaker 2: it's a relatively i mean two years, fifteen million dollars
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Speaker 2: or something. But when you start bidding for a running back.
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Speaker 2: They drafted him in the second round, but up until
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Speaker 2: the second half of this year, he's kind of had
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Speaker 2: an underwhelming career. And you bring in Flurry from the Niners,
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Speaker 2: who the Kubiak Shanahan system, you can kind of find
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Speaker 2: running backs. So my guess would be they're definitely not
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Speaker 2: franchise tagging him. Like whenever I see the Jets are
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Speaker 2: going to franchise tag Breise Hall, it's like the Jets
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Speaker 2: are gonna franchise tag a running back. Not even the
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Speaker 2: Jets would do that. Come on, guys, this is right.
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Speaker 2: Let's use some common sense here. So Seattle's riding high.
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Speaker 2: I got to meet Mike McDonald and talk to him.
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Speaker 2: He's really really impressive. I mean, they got they got
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Speaker 2: something pretty special going in Seattle because they have a
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Speaker 2: ton of caps base, they have a ton of young
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Speaker 2: players under contract that there, I would say they're confidence
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Speaker 2: in Sam the person. I mean, you've talked about this,
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Speaker 2: you know clearly the player, Like most players not named
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Speaker 2: John Elway or Peyton Manning, aren't gonna be great ninety
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Speaker 2: nine percent of games. But I think they are all
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Speaker 2: in on the human being. And I think what they
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Speaker 2: learned down that stretch that Thursday night game against the
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Speaker 2: Rams when he flipped it, and then up until the
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl, they're feeling pretty confident in their quarterback.
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Speaker 1: So a team that's you know, the difference John between
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Speaker 1: winning one Super Bowl and getting to five is having
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Speaker 1: to move off players. I mean, the Chiefs moved off
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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill and return to the Super Bowl. So Seattle's
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Speaker 1: got to make those tough choices, and I think they will.
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Speaker 1: But let's talk Kansas City and Brett Veach. Where offensive
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Speaker 1: line needs help. They've got an early pick. They'll probably
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Speaker 1: attack that running game. It's a week running back class,
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Speaker 1: so they may have to pay for that. You know,
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Speaker 1: you saw Brett Veach the first half of Mahomes and Reed.
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Speaker 1: One point zero is five super Bowls and three trophies.
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Speaker 1: That was the same for Brady in New England. But
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Speaker 1: the difference is Brady in New England played in the
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Speaker 1: division with the dysfunctional Jets, Dolphins, and Bills. Well Harbaugh,
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Speaker 1: Herbert Bownick, Sean Payton, Mendoza should be pretty good. And
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Speaker 1: now the league only allows John one buy. So New
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Speaker 1: England and Brady for those years one their dysfunctional division
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Speaker 1: got a buy, got two home games. You'll win a
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Speaker 1: mire in the Super Bowl. I mean, if there's an
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Speaker 1: easy path that Kansas City's path is different one by
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Speaker 1: brutal division and they got they got holes to fill
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Speaker 1: a lot of them on offense, what do you gather
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Speaker 1: from your combine visit?
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Speaker 2: I think if you remove emotion, it's probably time to
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Speaker 2: divorce Travis Kelce, you know. I mean unless he would
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Speaker 2: come back basically for no money. And that's the NFL, right,
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Speaker 2: It's like, well, he's one of the greatest players in
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Speaker 2: the history of the league, and he's, you know, one
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Speaker 2: of the poster childs of this dynasty, and it's kind
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Speaker 2: of what Belichick and Bill Walsh do, so that that's
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Speaker 2: gonna be a tough decision as they negotiate with Travis Kelsey.
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Speaker 2: I think Chris Jones could be a trade candidate. His
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Speaker 2: cap number is huge. Yeah, yeah, it can be very
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Speaker 2: hit or miss in games. Obviously his good is great,
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Speaker 2: but he can also disappear. For a Hall of Fame player,
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Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie is definitely a trade candidate. You know, a
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Speaker 2: guy they draft in the first round gonna These extensions
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Speaker 2: for these dbs get enormous. So I think they got
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Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of moving parts. You know, I
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Speaker 2: saw Vich he was a little under the weather. He
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Speaker 2: just looked tired. You know. Part of it is they
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Speaker 2: have a cocktail at the end of the day because
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Speaker 2: they were eighteen hours of talking to agents and going
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Speaker 2: back and forth. I mean, it's exhausting. These are really
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Speaker 2: tough decisions, and I think the Chiefs Belichick did this.
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Speaker 2: They're kind of have to pivot Beside mahomes off the
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Speaker 2: majority of those guys, Andy resaid last year Joe Toney.
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Speaker 2: Andy Reeve's been coaching for like forty five years, said
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Speaker 2: Joetune's one of the favorite players he's ever coached in
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Speaker 2: his career. They just traded him. Isn't that football? Isn't
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Speaker 2: that the NFL. They couldn't afford to keep them with
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Speaker 2: the cap, they didn't want to get rid of them
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Speaker 2: like they downgraded by losing him. I think it's a
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Speaker 2: little different with Kelsey obviously the swift effect. He's so famous,
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Speaker 2: he's relative to what he was, I mean, kind of
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Speaker 2: a shell of himself, right, and so when you start
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Speaker 2: asking for fifteen million dollars a year Jason Light, same
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Speaker 2: thing with Mike Evans. It's these emotional decisions of these
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Speaker 2: great Hall of Fame players who you love their character
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Speaker 2: and what they mean to you're that's you know, Bill
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Speaker 2: waltsh Let Rodney lock go, you know. I mean, it's
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Speaker 2: kind of is what it is. I think fans in
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Speaker 2: football wouldn't you say, understand it a little bit more?
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Speaker 2: But still I do. It could be pretty eye opening
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Speaker 2: when you see Mike Evans is signed with the Jags,
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Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey has signed with the who knows JJ Watt
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Speaker 2: side with the Arizona Cardinals, and Travis you don't just
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Speaker 2: automatically go to a good team because sometimes football they
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Speaker 2: offer you more money and you just go, well, maybe
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Speaker 2: they can turn around and that's where you go. So
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Speaker 2: I would say you're going to see some potential legendary
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Speaker 2: players throughout the league on different teams. I mean That's
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Speaker 2: just kind of the way it works. You know.
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Speaker 1: What's also interesting now is because there are so many
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Speaker 1: good offensive coaches that you're you are seeing quarterbacks like
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Speaker 1: Baker and Darnold have a second life if you can
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Speaker 1: land your Liam Cohen, I mean, Trevor Lawrence made a
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Speaker 1: big leap this year. And I think you know, these
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Speaker 1: guys off the Sean McVay tree, the Kyle Shanahan tree.
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Speaker 1: You know, they go places and they change the arc
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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks careers. Sam Darnold bust to star to Super
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Speaker 1: Bowl champion. I mean, Baker Mayfield, you know, resurrected his dip.
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and two are different to it. Can't stay
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Speaker 1: healthy and is really limited physically. Kyler, as a story
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Speaker 1: out this week, he hasn't talked to the GMS. It's
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Speaker 1: the end of the season, so he's not terribly verbal.
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Speaker 1: Their commission, commitment issues, their health issues. And even though
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Speaker 1: we're in a league now where you do get second
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Speaker 1: teams and second runs, you know Arizona, Well, does Kyler
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Speaker 1: have a market? I mean it is such bad p R.
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Speaker 2: Someone told me this week that Kyler Murray in his
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Speaker 2: camp they want to go to Minnesota. Well, Aaron Rodgers
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Speaker 2: wanted to go to Minnesota too. Most quarterbacks do. I
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Speaker 2: can't imagine Kevin O'Connell wanting Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray is
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Speaker 2: at the point if he truly wants to resurrect his career.
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Speaker 2: He's made a ton of money at this point, right
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Speaker 2: Number one overall pick got this huge deal that is
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Speaker 2: now in Albatross. Makes him untradable if he gets cut,
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Speaker 2: which he's going to, why not surely you know the Ravens,
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Speaker 2: the chief one of those type teams would be like, hey,
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Speaker 2: we'll take you for the veteran minimum. If Andy Reid
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Speaker 2: calls or something, you would be crazy not to make
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Speaker 2: a decision to go there and potentially maybe rehab your
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Speaker 2: image because he does have a branding problem right now.
9:34
Speaker 2: I would say throughout the league he's not viewed very
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Speaker 2: highly as a player on or off the field. Not
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Speaker 2: like bad like some of these guys to get in trouble,
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Speaker 2: but just yeah, we don't want to deal with that.
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Speaker 2: I would say. The number one thing you hear talking
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Speaker 2: to these guys, Yeah, we got to deal with this
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Speaker 2: with our defensive lineman. You've talked about this forever when
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Speaker 2: we wh they do not want to deal with the
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Speaker 2: quarterback room. I mean the quarterback room. Better be like
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Speaker 2: your coaches, better be like your executives, just high level professionals.
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Speaker 2: I never even think about you. I have to deal
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Speaker 2: with immaturity in some other positions, not to quarterback position.
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Speaker 2: Imagine if you just go to Andy Reid for a year.
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Speaker 2: You know, Kevin Sam Darnold did this, Daniel Jones kind
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Speaker 2: of did this when he got cut by the Giants
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Speaker 2: and just rehab his image and then by the end
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Speaker 2: of the year, maybe a play. Maybe you don't, but
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Speaker 2: you have an Andy Reid type guy, and I'm just
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Speaker 2: using him as example. You could see Sean Payne, he
10:21
Speaker 2: could use whoever would be interested that's established and go,
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Speaker 2: we love that guy. That was a great experience being
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Speaker 2: around him. Then that changes the arc of the way
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Speaker 2: the league thinks about you, because being there that the
10:32
Speaker 2: league is one. It's like a high school. Everyone knows everybody,
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Speaker 2: and everybody talks to everybody, and you could probably play
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Speaker 2: one degree of separation. You just put Mike Silver in
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Speaker 2: the middle. He he knows everything. They all know each
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Speaker 2: other and all the information on what a guy is
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Speaker 2: and isn't as a person. You know. One thing one
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Speaker 2: of my big takeaways is we can get into draft.
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Speaker 2: Why this pick makes it, Why this free agency or
10:57
Speaker 2: you know, guy didn't work this. This is a people business,
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Speaker 2: and the teams that are good have just really high
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Speaker 2: level people right on the coaching staff. I mean, I
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Speaker 2: hear some stories colin about position coaches making millions of
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Speaker 2: dollars that get title stripped in the middle of the
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Speaker 2: season and throw a hissy fit and won't go to meetings.
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Speaker 2: It's not just the players. These assistant coaches egos are enormous.
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Speaker 2: Now you've got a lot of personalities, and the best
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Speaker 2: teams are just I hear stories about Kellen Moore or Kubiak,
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Speaker 2: and you're like, I see why these guys are having success.
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Speaker 2: Just easy to deal with. High level guys, get along
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Speaker 2: high eques, you know, and clearly you know the league
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Speaker 2: has kind of been defined of you need a few
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Speaker 2: crazies on your team, but you better have a high
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Speaker 2: character operation from a football character standpoint, or you've got
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Speaker 2: no shot.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of a high level coach, Ben Johnson and Mike
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Speaker 1: Vrabel turned it around in one year.
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Speaker 2: I saw that.
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Speaker 1: You into Ben Johnson. I mean, he's got to be.
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Speaker 1: They have a really interesting situation where they know exactly
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Speaker 1: what they need. They need some help in the linebacker corps.
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Speaker 1: They're not fast enough and they need a rush end.
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Speaker 1: But I mean they've really john. They could literally use
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Speaker 1: every draft pick on defense. They don't have a hole. Offensively,
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Speaker 1: maybe another tackle in the building, but receiver, tight end, back, quarterback, interior,
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Speaker 1: o line, they're really good. I mean, was Ben walking
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Speaker 1: on Cloud nine in a pretty pretty good mood.
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Speaker 2: Well, I use you because sometimes you know, it's easy
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Speaker 2: if you know the guy to start a conversation. When
12:33
Speaker 2: you don't, you gotta come with a little material. So
12:36
Speaker 2: I had you in my back pocket. I dropped your
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Speaker 2: name early and he said that he'd seen you, he
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Speaker 2: thought at a restaurant. And I said, Ben, I can't
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Speaker 2: believe you didn't go talk to him. You guys would
12:47
Speaker 2: have been breaking down offensive football. He started laughing, and
12:50
Speaker 2: people are like, I'd never see Ben Jonson smile. I'm like, well,
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Speaker 2: I got that magic touch because I use you and
12:56
Speaker 2: look to link you up the Bears. I talked to
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Speaker 2: Riot Pole. You know, they feel like they got a
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Speaker 2: pretty good those two guys. You know, Ryan had some
13:06
Speaker 2: bumps early right he did.
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Speaker 1: No, I've said that Chase Claypool thing didn't work, but
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Speaker 1: receivers are a hard acquisition. It's just a tough position.
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Speaker 1: Then he redeemed himself with a Dj Moore deal.
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Speaker 2: And as a GM, you look way better with a
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Speaker 2: good coach, I mean, you just do. So now you
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Speaker 2: get a guy who I mean, I think one thing
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Speaker 2: you beat at this Combine the the status of Ben
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Speaker 2: Johnson and Mike McDonald in a twelve month span, like
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Speaker 2: if you would have been there last year to where
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Speaker 2: they are this year, it just couldn't be any higher.
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Speaker 2: The way they're thought of in terms of coaching on
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Speaker 2: the field is extremely high. And I would expect Dj
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Speaker 2: Moore is going to be a name that we're going
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Speaker 2: to see over the next week potent because they're going
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Speaker 2: to have to move an offensive piece. They don't have
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Speaker 2: many draft picks, you know, to kind of retool this thing.
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Speaker 2: And that they're letting one of their linebackers I saw
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Speaker 2: seek a trade. The other thing is that division. You know,
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Speaker 2: I make fun of the Vikings because of their quarterback situation,
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Speaker 2: as most people do. We talk about the Lions taking
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Speaker 2: a big step back. Both those teams went nine to eight.
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Speaker 2: I mean both those teams, the Vikings and the Lions,
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Speaker 2: are pretty well established culture with really good players. Their
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Speaker 2: floor is extremely high. And if the Packers just can
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Speaker 2: keep some guys healthy, clearly they're one of the best
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Speaker 2: teams in the league. So that division from the Bear
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Speaker 2: standpoint is really really difficult. And the Bears, who have
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Speaker 2: been atrocious, now we're gonna get a first play schedule.
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Speaker 2: It is going to be more challenging, and they're gonna
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Speaker 2: sneak up on nobody. Which when you see Ben, he's
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Speaker 2: wired for that. Like I don't think he's He's not
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Speaker 2: rested on his laurels. He is. You can just tell
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Speaker 2: a lot by the way guys carry themselves, you know,
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Speaker 2: the Hardball brothers or very Bowl like they're so comfortable
14:51
Speaker 2: in their own skin. But some of these new guys,
14:53
Speaker 2: the new found fame, like might when Ben Johnson walks
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Speaker 2: in somewhere, he's really famous now to he just carries
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Speaker 2: himself like he looks exact same as he carried himself
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Speaker 2: a year ago. And I would say the same thing
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Speaker 2: with Mike McDonald. Their personality like this, the no ego.
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Speaker 2: I was talking to him last night and just going
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Speaker 2: this guy won a Super Bowl like three weeks ago,
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Speaker 2: and you would you would never know if you brought
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Speaker 2: some guy off the street, they didn't know football, you
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Speaker 2: just met this guy, you would have no clue that
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Speaker 2: this guy is the Super Bowl champion and the toast
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Speaker 2: of the town right now in the NFL. So I
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Speaker 2: would feel pretty confident if I'm the Bears. But they do,
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Speaker 2: like there are a lot of because the cap is
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Speaker 2: so big right now, there so many options with trades.
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Speaker 2: And I talked to Howie about this when I first
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Speaker 2: started working for Howie in twenty ten. He was on
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Speaker 2: the forefront of the NFL forever. Wasn't that trade heavy?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 1: God, No, before the Jimmy Johnson trade, the herschel Walker
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Speaker 1: teams didn't trade.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the historic trades stand out so much in like
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Speaker 2: the eighties and nineties because they didn't happen that much.
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Speaker 2: Howie was ready to trade like an NBA a Major
16:01
Speaker 2: League Baseball GM, but the rest of the league wasn't.
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Speaker 2: And then now you fast forward fifteen plus years in
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Speaker 2: the mid twenty twenties, all these gms, or the majority
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Speaker 2: of them are kind of like him. They're ready to trade,
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Speaker 2: so people are willing to, Hey, you want this guy,
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Speaker 2: you want to trade draft picks, you want to do this.
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Speaker 2: So there is just a lot of action, which I
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Speaker 2: think stalls some deals because it gets so expensive. It's
16:23
Speaker 2: like a house. If you only have one guy bidden
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Speaker 2: on the house, you know you probably can dictate the
16:28
Speaker 2: terms a little bit. You got seven people waiting out
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Speaker 2: on the on the front of the street to buy
16:33
Speaker 2: the house, that that price is gonna skyrocket, And I
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Speaker 2: think that happens with some of these deals. I've been
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Speaker 2: saying this about Max Crosby, like, uh, Breer told me,
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Speaker 2: He's like, I don't think they're gonna get two ones.
16:43
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, he's under contract, and there would be
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Speaker 2: minimum five high level playoff teams who would be bidding
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Speaker 2: on them. So yeah, in theory, you'd be like a
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Speaker 2: one to a two. Well, if five teams are bidding
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Speaker 2: against each other, Like the reason the McCaffrey went for
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Speaker 2: a two to three and a four is because the
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Speaker 2: Rams also wanted them, so the Niners had to put
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Speaker 2: in a little bit more. That's the way it works.
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Speaker 2: So that's where I think that historically twenty years ago, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Max Crosby probably just goes for a one. But now
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Speaker 2: you have all these gms that teams are lined up
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Speaker 2: to wheel and deal and that's cool. Like you're there.
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Speaker 2: This is a wheeler and a dealer league. This is
17:17
Speaker 2: a This is a league where you know these the
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Speaker 2: John Schneider types that you gotta be great at identifying personnel.
17:25
Speaker 2: You gotta be dynamic wheeling the deal. You gotta be
17:28
Speaker 2: willing to make moves. It is much more I would
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Speaker 2: say complicated. Now you got all the money, you gotta
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Speaker 2: be lean on your salary cap. Guy, it's a pretty
17:35
Speaker 2: intense environment. When you're there, you just realize the pressure
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Speaker 2: cooker of this thing. I mean, I'm watching Aaron Glenn
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Speaker 2: do a press conference. I'm like, God, I wouldn't want
17:42
Speaker 2: to be that guy right now. He's got to be
17:44
Speaker 2: thinking like, get me out of here. I mean, this
17:47
Speaker 2: is even beach. You know you can just say there's
17:50
Speaker 2: just a waight to all this stuff. I mean, this
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Speaker 2: is this is a long, intense week because it lays
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Speaker 1: talked to Howie and you know he wouldn't divulge anything
19:40
Speaker 1: on Jalen Hurts. But I was told during the summer
19:43
Speaker 1: by a source very close to the Eagles front office
19:47
Speaker 1: that people were pointing to aj Brown, and some of
19:50
Speaker 1: it's on Jalen Hurts. He is not well liked in
19:53
Speaker 1: the locker room. He's not a galvanizer. He's not one
19:56
Speaker 1: of the guys. Now, not everybody is. Brady was unique,
20:00
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning Mahomes, not every not every quarterback is but
20:05
Speaker 1: over your course of you know, your forty eight seventy
20:07
Speaker 1: two hours, where everybody's drinking, everybody's talking, everybody's uh, the
20:14
Speaker 1: rumors are fact and facts become rumors. What do you
20:18
Speaker 1: hear about Hurts? Because I've heard it this past summer.
20:23
Speaker 1: I also heard it from a different executive during the season,
20:26
Speaker 1: and now you see it reported that he's just Hurts
20:31
Speaker 1: is a different cat. Even the representation team, what do
20:34
Speaker 1: you hear?
20:35
Speaker 2: I would say if you went back three months and
20:38
Speaker 2: you just ask people that watch the NFL, they'd be like, oh,
20:40
Speaker 2: Aj Brown's a problem. He's a diva. Everyone hates him
20:42
Speaker 2: in Philly, just a casual fan. That is not the
20:44
Speaker 2: vibe I guy. He's emotional, right, yeah, but he represents
20:49
Speaker 2: I think a lot of guys on their team what
20:52
Speaker 2: they want to say. He's just willing to say it.
20:55
Speaker 2: And I think Jalen is a pretty polarizing player in
20:59
Speaker 2: and out of the locker room. But he's also on
21:01
Speaker 2: an enormous contract, so he's he's kind of a made
21:03
Speaker 2: man right now on their team in the sense that
21:06
Speaker 2: they can't really get rid of him, so it's not
21:08
Speaker 2: even an option, like he's their starting quarterback. They are
21:11
Speaker 2: changing their offense to the Shanahan kind of operation with
21:15
Speaker 2: Sean Mannion, who you know played at Oregon State as
21:18
Speaker 2: a pro style background. Kevin O'Connell. I think they're going
21:23
Speaker 2: to ask Jalen Hurts to play in this rock Purty
21:26
Speaker 2: samd like. I don't know. I don't really see it
21:31
Speaker 2: and I don't like they part. And part of the
21:34
Speaker 2: reason they would tell you, I think, is because they
21:36
Speaker 2: want them. You know, it's a great running game system,
21:38
Speaker 2: and they want Saquona shot. They want to get back
21:40
Speaker 2: to where they were two years ago, where they ran
21:43
Speaker 2: for two thousand yards. I just think a lot of
21:46
Speaker 2: people go, well, Jalen fended two Super Bowls. He's been
21:49
Speaker 2: great in those Super Bowls. It's a little like Seattle.
21:53
Speaker 2: The Richard Sherman group never embraced Russell Wilson. They never
21:57
Speaker 2: believed they believe him. He wasn't one of the guys,
22:01
Speaker 2: and they never believe that. Like he's getting way more
22:04
Speaker 2: credit than he deserves. And I think, you know, when
22:07
Speaker 2: it comes to the Eagles, there's some of that and
22:10
Speaker 2: there's some of he just doesn't ingratiate himself to the
22:14
Speaker 2: group of the Eagles have a lot of high level
22:16
Speaker 2: guys like they have done a good job over the
22:18
Speaker 2: last couple of years, minus Jalen Carter of just elite
22:22
Speaker 2: character you know, Devonte Smith to Jordan Davis, and obviously
22:27
Speaker 2: they had a core group of older guys like Lane
22:30
Speaker 2: Johnson and Kelsey and Fletcher Cox. If you can't get
22:33
Speaker 2: along with those guys like and have them really really
22:37
Speaker 2: think highly of you, everyone's gonna say, well, if the
22:40
Speaker 2: Eagles don't win this year, Sirianni's in trouble. And maybe
22:43
Speaker 2: that's true because I think they really like Sirianni in
22:47
Speaker 2: the building. How he likes him. Jeffrey Lurry likes him,
22:49
Speaker 2: like he's good with because Nick's good with people like
22:53
Speaker 2: when the when when no one's watching, when they likes
22:55
Speaker 2: when they're working Monday through Friday. People like that guy
22:58
Speaker 2: a lot in the building. I don't think the same
23:01
Speaker 2: can say for Jalen Hurts, which is crazy because all
23:04
Speaker 2: the good quarterbacks, I would say one of their best
23:06
Speaker 2: traits is like extremely well liked by the group. Right,
23:13
Speaker 2: and I'm not even just talking the Great Hall of Famers.
23:15
Speaker 2: He's just picked the random guys like, yeah, go to
23:16
Speaker 2: the Cowboys locker room asking about Dak Prescott, well even
23:19
Speaker 2: then locker room asking Jared Goff rock Perty. I mean,
23:22
Speaker 2: these guys are extremely well like, like.
23:23
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, conservative, religious, still really well liked. That could
23:28
Speaker 1: easily be a polarizing personality trait, you know, kind of
23:33
Speaker 1: conservative people love Kirk Cousins. He's one of the guys.
23:37
Speaker 1: He's a very good supporting teammate.
23:39
Speaker 2: You know.
23:41
Speaker 1: Obviously Mendoza is the best quarterback in this class, and
23:45
Speaker 1: he's also going to go number one. I do think
23:47
Speaker 1: if I was Arizona, I talked about it John on
23:49
Speaker 1: the air today that Arizona has such a stink in
23:52
Speaker 1: the building that the opposite of Kyler Murray is Fernando Mendoza. Big, strong, committed, grateful.
24:00
Speaker 1: He's like he'd be an air freshener in the Arizona
24:03
Speaker 1: Cardinals car because there's a stink in the building. And
24:06
Speaker 1: I do think they should call and give up three
24:08
Speaker 1: number ones for him. I mean, the first round picks
24:11
Speaker 1: matter that much. Why are the Jets and Giants awful
24:14
Speaker 1: and the Titans awful and the Browns awful? They're always
24:16
Speaker 1: drafting the top seven or eight for years and The
24:20
Speaker 1: Rams have only had one first round pick in the
24:22
Speaker 1: last nine drafts, so like it's I would make that move.
24:25
Speaker 1: I don't think the Raiders will move off it. Did
24:27
Speaker 1: you hear anything about Mendoza that hasn't been printed? I
24:32
Speaker 1: mean cam Ward last year went number one. He was
24:35
Speaker 1: a zero star recruit. Fernando was a two star recruit,
24:39
Speaker 1: and I think both have a certain gratitude. You know,
24:42
Speaker 1: when you come up through the ranks and you're not
24:45
Speaker 1: Arch Manning or Peyton Manning. Do you hear anything about
24:47
Speaker 1: Mendoza anything about the Raiders.
24:49
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a one hundred cent lock. Mendoza
24:51
Speaker 2: is the pick. One. Thing I struggle with is everyone
24:55
Speaker 2: compares him to the previous drafts. You know, he wouldn't have
24:57
Speaker 2: gone against above Kayleb Drake Many Jayden Daniels. He wouldn't
25:02
Speaker 2: go above cam Ward last year, had a more physical
25:05
Speaker 2: skill set. We're not playing like universal generic football. Every
25:10
Speaker 2: team has specific offenses. And the thing they asked the
25:12
Speaker 2: quarterback they just hired Kubiak, who just won a Super
25:16
Speaker 2: Bowl with Sam Darnold, who came from the forty nine ers,
25:19
Speaker 2: where they had Brock Purdy and also coached Derek Carr
25:22
Speaker 2: where before some injuries, the Saints were actually pretty good
25:24
Speaker 2: two years ago. They look for specific skill set with
25:27
Speaker 2: a quarterback, and Fernando Mendoza checks the boxes. Accurate, smart
25:33
Speaker 2: rhythm timing is one of his skill sets and is
25:36
Speaker 2: mobile enough, so they're not looking for him to just
25:38
Speaker 2: sit back and throw the ball fifty times. Again, that's
25:41
Speaker 2: not how Kubiak is going to play. So I know
25:44
Speaker 2: people struggle, Like I hear this Jared Goff, he's compared
25:48
Speaker 2: to Jared Goff. It's almost said like it's a negative thing. Yeah, guys,
25:52
Speaker 2: Jared Goff is gonna have a fifteen year career. He's
25:54
Speaker 2: gonna make four hundred million dollars, several Hall of Fame votes,
26:00
Speaker 2: He'll go. I mean, there's a decent chance in the
26:02
Speaker 2: next couple of years, they keep their core together, they
26:04
Speaker 2: win a couple of playoff games in a season, and
26:06
Speaker 2: the Lions have a good Like he's a high level quarterback,
26:10
Speaker 2: Like that's that is a compliment in my book. Right,
26:14
Speaker 2: he was in the NFC Champions Who a couple of
26:15
Speaker 2: years ago. He was starting quarterback on a Super Bowl team.
26:18
Speaker 2: Like Jared Goff's career has been a raging success. So
26:21
Speaker 2: if this guy's a more athletic version of that, I'm
26:24
Speaker 2: very interested in that player. I just feel like he's
26:27
Speaker 2: kind of getting nitpicked, like he's a mid prospect, and
26:31
Speaker 2: I just don't buy it because this gets back to
26:33
Speaker 2: the character stuff. Like I know the Chiefs guys really well,
26:36
Speaker 2: they swear by Mahomes football character. Right now, the buzz
26:40
Speaker 2: is like this guy's rehab is going great, he's attacking it.
26:43
Speaker 2: It's like he is not messing around. He's motivated, he's
26:46
Speaker 2: pissed off, he's got a chip on his shoulder, and
26:49
Speaker 2: like that matters in this league. Like Josh Allen, what
26:52
Speaker 2: he takes every off season, how pissed off he is
26:54
Speaker 2: and how driven he is, Like that's gotta matter. The
26:57
Speaker 2: person matters as much as the player. Ians you have
27:00
Speaker 2: to have the requisite skill set, but all these guys do.
27:03
Speaker 2: So what defines Tom Brady was all the stuff that
27:07
Speaker 2: you can't quantify in PFF. So Fernando Mendoza, goofy or
27:12
Speaker 2: whatever comes. None of that matters players. There's a million
27:15
Speaker 2: different type personalities in the locker room. Unlike Twitter, where
27:18
Speaker 2: everyone hates each other, you go into most locker rooms
27:20
Speaker 2: side of the Eagles. Everyone kind of gets long. You
27:22
Speaker 2: know there, these are young guys, they have a lot
27:24
Speaker 2: of common interests. It's just it's an easy going group.
27:26
Speaker 2: It's it's not that polarizing in the locker room. For
27:29
Speaker 2: Nanda Mendoza. You see the Indiana where they had a
27:31
Speaker 2: million transfer portal guys. When they win the national championships,
27:35
Speaker 2: everyone's galvanized around him and like a defensive lineman, offensive lineman.
27:40
Speaker 2: So I think people are too low on Fernanda Mendoz.
27:43
Speaker 2: I think I think the rest of the draft kind
27:46
Speaker 2: of sucks. I think he's a really impressive prospect. Is
27:49
Speaker 2: he Lway or luck? No? Is he? Do you feel
27:52
Speaker 2: very good about drafting him number one? I know the
27:56
Speaker 2: Raiders do. They feel very good about that. Part of
27:59
Speaker 2: the reason they're torn on Max is they go, well,
28:02
Speaker 2: what if we kind of rehab this offensive line. We
28:04
Speaker 2: already got boers, we're gonna have a good run game.
28:07
Speaker 2: What if we could be more competitive next year? So
28:09
Speaker 2: I think that's where they're trying, because I think he
28:11
Speaker 2: could be a huge upgrade over I mean, let's face
28:14
Speaker 2: it, it's not all Gino's fault. The offense, and they had
28:16
Speaker 2: a lot of issues going on, but they were an
28:18
Speaker 2: offensive disaster last year.
28:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well what the.
28:26
Speaker 2: One thing one thing calling is before is the combine.
28:30
Speaker 2: One thing I've consistently heard. I went out a couple
28:33
Speaker 2: of nights ago with a couple of gms and some
28:36
Speaker 2: other executives and they were just floored that every meeting
28:40
Speaker 2: they go to with a guy that's gonna get drafted
28:42
Speaker 2: in the first or second round just because yeah, I'm
28:44
Speaker 2: not working out. It's one thing like Fernando Mendoza, No
28:47
Speaker 2: big deal, you played a month ago, you played sixteen games, like,
28:51
Speaker 2: you don't need to throw. But a guy will be
28:53
Speaker 2: going like the third round. It's like, yeah, I'm not
28:55
Speaker 2: gonna run or do any activity. And I think a
28:58
Speaker 2: lot of these guys. One thing that here is with
29:01
Speaker 2: the money getting so big and the pressure from these
29:04
Speaker 2: these agents, the power they have now and these guys
29:06
Speaker 2: in college and we're seeing it with Darren Peterson, you know,
29:08
Speaker 2: in college basketball. But that's this has been happening in
29:11
Speaker 2: football for a while, that this combine could be in
29:13
Speaker 2: a little trouble in terms of like these got players
29:16
Speaker 2: just might stop going. Let alone. When they do go,
29:19
Speaker 2: they do nothing and part of it is the league
29:21
Speaker 2: turned it into a made for TV event. Yeah, because
29:24
Speaker 2: and now the players are like, we're not doing it.
29:27
Speaker 2: So it's it's kind of in a weird spot, right,
29:29
Speaker 2: and just important for the press conferences, the medical and
29:32
Speaker 2: some of that. But I think the on the field
29:34
Speaker 2: work the Combine is coming down the home.
29:36
Speaker 1: Stretch going yeah no. And you know, listen, I heard
29:41
Speaker 1: the story. I remember when Johnny Manzel aced the interviews
29:45
Speaker 1: at the Combine, you know, because he's a good bullshitter,
29:49
Speaker 1: and it's like, and that's a that's not a terrible
29:51
Speaker 1: quality for a salesperson. You know, he can talk to
29:53
Speaker 1: talk or a podcaster, you know, but he fooled people,
29:57
Speaker 1: you know, let's ride, let's go, And then he didn't
30:00
Speaker 1: want to watch film. I mean literally, you know, they
30:02
Speaker 1: were testing him on what film you watched and how
30:05
Speaker 1: far into the film you watched, and they found he
30:07
Speaker 1: didn't even turn it on and he acknowledged that later.
30:09
Speaker 1: So I think I think that my problem has always
30:12
Speaker 1: been it's like a first date. When you go on
30:16
Speaker 1: a first date, people say the right thing, people dressed perfect,
30:21
Speaker 1: you know, the hygiene's great. By the seventh or eighth date,
30:24
Speaker 1: you get a real feel for what a person is.
30:27
Speaker 1: The problem with the combine, it's got a first date feel.
30:30
Speaker 1: People are in the best shape of their life. They've
30:32
Speaker 1: been prepped by their agents and consultants how to interview.
30:35
Speaker 1: And it's kind of inauthentic that you you know, I
30:38
Speaker 1: was saying this the other day on FS one. By
30:41
Speaker 1: week six, even the fast guys aren't as fast. Everybody's
30:45
Speaker 1: dinged up. Everybody's got bad hips, you know, everybody's everybody's
30:48
Speaker 1: dealing with a second or third injury. The four three
30:51
Speaker 1: guys are four four guys. The four or five guys
30:53
Speaker 1: are four six guys. Everybody's hurt, even quarterbacks, kickers get
30:57
Speaker 1: dinged up. And so I think it's I think the
31:00
Speaker 1: like I know that I watch less of it now
31:03
Speaker 1: and I did than I did five years ago. I
31:05
Speaker 1: just don't watch it as much. It just doesn't matter.
31:08
Speaker 1: I think the people who cover it do a good job.
31:11
Speaker 1: But I just I when I move off stuff, like
31:14
Speaker 1: I moved into baseball two years ago, like I moved
31:17
Speaker 1: way back in the games were faster. The Yankees, the Dodgers,
31:21
Speaker 1: the Cubs, the Padres, the teams I liked were better.
31:25
Speaker 1: I've moved out. I moved off college football for several
31:28
Speaker 1: years because it became too regional. I'm now way back
31:32
Speaker 1: into baseball, way back into college football. I'm kind of
31:35
Speaker 1: out on the combine. I just, I just I think
31:37
Speaker 1: it's an inauthentic exercise, overly prepped.
31:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you use the dating analogy these guys. You
31:46
Speaker 2: only have twenty minutes in a formal interview with the
31:48
Speaker 2: guys of the combine, and at this point in time,
31:52
Speaker 2: all these agents have a pretty good idea, depending on
31:54
Speaker 2: their client, what the questions are going to be veered around.
31:57
Speaker 2: And one thing I've heard it is they're also prep
32:00
Speaker 2: than It just feels so fake. Where when you bring
32:02
Speaker 2: them to the facility and you get thirty of those
32:05
Speaker 2: where you're able to fly them out or go meet
32:07
Speaker 2: them in their you know, in their home or their
32:10
Speaker 2: college facility. If I spend five hours with you, it's
32:13
Speaker 2: hard to fake some stuff, Right. If I only get
32:15
Speaker 2: you for twenty minutes, you could fake some stuff. If
32:18
Speaker 2: I get you all day, take you with my coordinator,
32:20
Speaker 2: take you with my pr guy, take you with my trainer,
32:23
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard for you. You're gonna break character,
32:25
Speaker 2: and we're gonna get like it's gonna be really hard
32:27
Speaker 2: to fake. And that's where it's like, I think some
32:30
Speaker 2: of these teams it was probably more genuine twenty twenty
32:33
Speaker 2: five years ago. Now I think with the twenty minutes
32:38
Speaker 2: you can get some con men because they're coached up
32:40
Speaker 2: on the outside by the because there's just so much
32:42
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so much more money. If the difference
32:45
Speaker 2: of getting drafted twentieth than fiftieth, you're talking millions of dollars,
32:50
Speaker 2: So there's just so much on the line. And uh yeah,
32:53
Speaker 2: I think the combine when it comes to I think
32:56
Speaker 2: it's in a little trouble. Big picture, like do I
32:58
Speaker 2: if I was a betting man to have over under
33:00
Speaker 2: ten years is currently constructed? I don't know.
33:04
Speaker 1: Okay, Finally, best rumor you heard doesn't have to be true.
33:08
Speaker 1: It could be four cocktails in did you hear anything?
33:11
Speaker 1: I mean the JJ McCarthy thing people are talking about TUA.
33:14
Speaker 1: Did you hear any tasty rumors may not come to fruition,
33:17
Speaker 1: but you heard.
33:19
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good question. I'm trying to think there's
33:23
Speaker 2: some pretty good coaching rumors. There was a lot of
33:28
Speaker 2: moving parts with some of these hires and these coaching rumors.
33:31
Speaker 2: You know, I think Joe Shane, a lot of people
33:34
Speaker 2: go fifty to fifty. He survives after the draft.
33:38
Speaker 1: Wow, Giants jam John Harbaugh.
33:42
Speaker 2: He but then I have other people telling me that
33:45
Speaker 2: there's rumors that he got an extension. I think he's
33:47
Speaker 2: one of the biggest mysteries right now in the NFL.
33:49
Speaker 2: I mean, the Giants historically have done things for one
33:51
Speaker 2: way and one way only, and then John Harbaugh said,
33:54
Speaker 2: if you want to hire me, you answer to me.
33:57
Speaker 2: John Harbaugh's developed like an operation. This Donna Ponte, she's
34:01
Speaker 2: a former executive, now runs the contract. She answers to
34:04
Speaker 2: John that goes up that food chain. Joe Shane, just
34:07
Speaker 2: like every Giants, GM used to do everything that the
34:11
Speaker 2: training room, the cafeteria, they were kind of in charge
34:13
Speaker 2: the locker room. John Harbaugh's now in charge of all
34:17
Speaker 2: of that and he's just in charge of keeping the
34:19
Speaker 2: scouts grading players who then he funnels to John. So
34:24
Speaker 2: that that is something to keep an eye on, just
34:26
Speaker 2: that situation. I know there were some rumors about George
34:30
Speaker 2: Peyton Shawn's GM and Denver because Minnesota fired their guy.
34:35
Speaker 2: I heard they have a good relationship. Hey, George likes Denver.
34:37
Speaker 2: I heard the spot that that is no lock for
34:40
Speaker 2: him just to like jump ship and go back. Now
34:42
Speaker 2: Sean respects him to Minnesota. And I mean, I'm sure
34:46
Speaker 2: you saw the news yesterday of the Davis Webb now
34:48
Speaker 2: Colin plays. I was with a couple of coaches last
34:51
Speaker 2: night that said, understood, you want to keep this young hotshot.
34:56
Speaker 2: You like him a lot. That is an extremely tough quit.
35:00
Speaker 2: Davis web He is calling Sean's playbook. That Sean has
35:04
Speaker 2: been calling plays for thirty years. Who knows that playbook
35:08
Speaker 2: better than anybody? And then you're just gonna get to
35:11
Speaker 2: call plays and uh, we are losing by ten points
35:14
Speaker 2: to the Charger. That's a tough gick. Shahn's an intense guy,
35:18
Speaker 2: you know. I think that that opened a lot of
35:21
Speaker 2: eyes around the league that like, buckle up, young fella.
35:24
Speaker 2: That's gonna be a typical thing. You know. Sean's like
35:28
Speaker 2: you call it what I mean, that's it'd be like
35:30
Speaker 2: calling plays for Kyle or McVeigh when they're standing right
35:33
Speaker 2: next to you. The difference is Sean's way older and
35:35
Speaker 2: been doing it way longer. That's that that was a
35:38
Speaker 2: story I thought yesterday being talked a lot about like
35:41
Speaker 2: what what did Sean Payton do? Gave up play calling
35:44
Speaker 2: for this guy. I don't think many people saw that coming.
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Speaker 2: I definitely did. I thought that was one of the
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Speaker 2: newsier things. It's a little inside baseball, but uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: we talk a lot of coordinators, you and I do,
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Speaker 2: so that was one of those that had people talking,
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Speaker 2: and honestly, people like Davis Webb that like, I hope
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Speaker 2: you realize what you're getting yourself into because this thing
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Speaker 2: is going to be intense. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And Shawn's also one of the most outspoken coaches in
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Speaker 1: the NFL or baseball or the NBA. Yeah, I mean
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Speaker 1: he is, wears all of his motions, he leads with
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Speaker 1: his chin. John Middlecoff, good seeing you, buddy.
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Speaker 2: Nice work you do. Con the volume