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Nadia Yousef: Ciso Lens Country Manager on the AI cybersecurity threat Five Eyes is warning about · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: So the world's latest AI models, which we've been talking
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  Speaker 1: about on the show for some time, they are apparently
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  Speaker 1: going to pose quite a major threat to national security.
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  Speaker 1: How do we know this, Well, there's been a joint
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  Speaker 1: statement and it's rare that they do this from the
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  Speaker 1: cyberchiefs of the Five Eyers Nations, which includes the Wink
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  Speaker 1: New Zealand. They say within a matter of months, not years,
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  Speaker 1: months not years, these new AI models like Anthropics and
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  Speaker 1: Mythos could be used to hack government other organization safety systems.
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  Speaker 1: Nadia Usef, cybersecurity expert, New Zealand country manager at CISOs
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  Speaker 1: lenses with me this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Nadia, good morning, good morning, Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: How serious is this, like within months not years that
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  Speaker 1: you know, some North Korea or whoever could use these
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  Speaker 1: new models and cripple us.
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  Speaker 2: It's you know, it's quite concerning trends, of course, and
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  Speaker 2: obviously it's keeping a lot of people awake at night.
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  Speaker 2: The capabilities of new models pretty pretty spectacular. They're very impressive.
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  Speaker 2: But what I would say is the technology that the
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  Speaker 2: attackers are able to access is the same as the
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  Speaker 2: technology that we're the defenders are able to access. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's an important thing to keep in mind.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when you're using Google and Facebook and all
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  Speaker 2: of those things, you see AI embedded in everything. You know,
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  Speaker 2: whether you like it or not, it's just kind of there.
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  Speaker 2: It's like that for security tools now as well. So
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  Speaker 2: hopefully the tides lifting for.
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  Speaker 1: All of us want so who it's it's about who
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  Speaker 1: does it? Well, not who, but what does it faster?
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  Speaker 1: I suppose they can say, you know, attack, go at nauseum,
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  Speaker 1: go crazy, and then your sort of AI systems have
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  Speaker 1: to go, what is the latest attack that they're doing
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  Speaker 1: and how do we stop it? Is that kind of
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  Speaker 1: how it works?
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  Speaker 2: It is It is a bit of an arms race
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  Speaker 2: of who can get to the you know, who can
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  Speaker 2: get to that first, who can find out about vulnerabilities
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  Speaker 2: and software and vulnerabilities in your system first? Or is
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  Speaker 2: it is it you? And it's really complicated, and it's
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  Speaker 2: never really been a very level playing field because attackers
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  Speaker 2: have one job to break in, and defenders have a
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  Speaker 2: range of different jobs and a range of different things
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  Speaker 2: to protect, and it's not always easy to see what
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  Speaker 2: they need to. So AI is speeding up what's always
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  Speaker 2: been an incredibly challenging job but hopefully it's sort of
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  Speaker 2: lifting tools available to everyone at once. Nadia.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that we've always been taught like
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  Speaker 1: this is all pine and the sky stuff. But as
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  Speaker 1: an individual person using a computer, if you do your
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  Speaker 1: two factor authentication authentication, I should say, so you put
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  Speaker 1: your past it in and then it sends you a
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  Speaker 1: text message or whatever. Is that all still sacred and taboo?
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  Speaker 1: Or is AI coming for that too?
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  Speaker 2: That is so sacred? And that's one of the things
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say. It's really easy to focus
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  Speaker 2: on these really big powerful technologies, missiles, fable, all of
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  Speaker 2: these sorts of things that are getting a lot of airtime,
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  Speaker 2: but actually the day nothing or protect you as well
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  Speaker 2: as a long, strong, unique password across your different accounts,
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  Speaker 2: especially email, that really is the keys to the kingdom.
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  Speaker 2: If someone gets into your email, they can change a
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  Speaker 2: lot of passwords for everything and lock you out, and
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  Speaker 2: your two factor authentication it's going to protect you against
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  Speaker 2: most of the sort of attacks that we're going to see.
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  Speaker 2: So it's still absolutely the best security that you can
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  Speaker 2: take on good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Nata usef cybersecurity expert with us this morning
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