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The Kenny Report | 30 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week on the Kenny Report,
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi leading from behind the PM halve's fuel excise,
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  Speaker 2: just like the opposition demanded last week. Shadow Energy Minister
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  Speaker 2: Dan Tien will join me. Victorians can sleep easier as
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  Speaker 2: cop killer Desi Freeman is shot dead by Victorian police.
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  Speaker 3: What's gone on here?
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk to criminologist Xanthy weston Maurira Deming continues to
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  Speaker 2: create havoc for the hapless Victorian liberals just by being well,
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  Speaker 2: by being a liberal and the MANI sphere. What influence
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  Speaker 2: is it having on young men? I'll discuss the shocking
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  Speaker 2: new Louis Thereau doco with child and adolescent psychologist Michael Karr.
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  Speaker 3: Greg all that.
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  Speaker 2: More on petrol prices, Sophie in London and the Panel.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: Having been all at sea again on the national fuel crisis,
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Alberizi has been running around like a public servant,
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  Speaker 2: holding a lot of meetings, and he held another meeting
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  Speaker 2: of National Cabinet today to try to demonstrate that he's
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  Speaker 2: working up a plan.
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  Speaker 3: Then he announced a plan, but.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually just what the opposition demanded last week and
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  Speaker 2: what Opposition leader Angus Taylor suggested to him in a letter,
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  Speaker 2: a temporary harving of the fuel excise to cut fuel
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  Speaker 2: prices by twenty six cents a liter and dropping the
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  Speaker 2: heavy vehicle road user charge as well to take the
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  Speaker 2: edge off sky high petrol and diesel prices.
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  Speaker 3: So that'll help families and businesses.
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  Speaker 2: And while it had cost the government or actually cost
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  Speaker 2: us another two point five billion dollars in debt, it'll
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  Speaker 2: also lower the short term impact of inflation, but the
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  Speaker 2: extra government spending and debt is likely to.
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  Speaker 3: Increase inflation in the medium term.
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  Speaker 2: As for Albo, he doesn't lead, doesn't He just doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know how to. In his press conference today, the PM
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  Speaker 2: sounded like he was reading a public service briefing document.
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  Speaker 4: Our approach is determined by four levels of action. One
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  Speaker 4: plan and prepare to keeping Australia moving, which is where
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  Speaker 4: we are at the moment. Three taking targeted action, and
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  Speaker 4: for protecting critical services for all Australians.
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  Speaker 2: How about that for inspirational leadership. He must have liked
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  Speaker 2: it because we heard a bit of that on repeat.
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  Speaker 4: Make sure that we do keep Australia moving, Keep Australia moving,
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  Speaker 4: Keeping Australia moving, Keep Australia moving.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Still, I guess it's better than what we got on
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  Speaker 2: the weekend when the Leader of the Nation was trying
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  Speaker 2: to admonish people for filling up their tanks.
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  Speaker 4: Take what you need. This isn't toilet paper that's being
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  Speaker 4: piled up in some garages, JACKSI fuel.
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  Speaker 3: Their idea.
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  Speaker 2: Look, if I've banged on about one thing in the
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  Speaker 2: public debate over the past decade or so more than
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  Speaker 2: any other, it's been our national energy self harm. We
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  Speaker 2: are an energy rich country, stacks of gas and coal
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  Speaker 2: and uranium and actually a fair bit of oil too,
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  Speaker 2: but we've deliberately decided not to make the most of
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  Speaker 2: those fuel sources. Those energy sources, we sell them for
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  Speaker 2: others to use, while we disadvantage ourselves by not using
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  Speaker 2: our own energy.
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  Speaker 3: Resources properly for ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: Now, sure, the current energy crisis has been triggered by
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  Speaker 2: a war in the Middle.
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  Speaker 3: East, and it will pass.
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  Speaker 2: But part of our energy self harm is how we've
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  Speaker 2: made ourselves so reliant on importing refined fuels.
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  Speaker 3: We should refine more fuel here, We should extract more
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  Speaker 3: oil here.
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  Speaker 2: We actually send tens of millions of barrels of oil
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  Speaker 2: overseas for others to refine and use. And we should
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  Speaker 2: hold more fuel in reserve, of course, for contingencies like this,
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  Speaker 2: but we've done none of this. And as for drilling
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  Speaker 2: for more oil and gas, well, it's banned all over
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  Speaker 2: the place. We don't even let people explore to find
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  Speaker 2: out what's there.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: That's fine for the Great Barrier Reef, of course, but
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  Speaker 2: there are bands all over Victoria, parts of South Australia,
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  Speaker 2: parts of Queensland, New South Wales and Western Australia, offshore
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  Speaker 2: and onshore, huge parts of the nation where it's against
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  Speaker 2: the law to drill or explore for fossil fuels. And
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  Speaker 2: five years ago major companies abandoned plans to explore in
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  Speaker 2: the Great Australian Bite because there was too much environmental
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  Speaker 2: and political opposition. We are vandalizing our future through ongoing
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  Speaker 2: national energy self harm, oil and gas exploration band of
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  Speaker 2: the place, only two local refineries remaining dependency on oil imports,
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  Speaker 2: a total ban on nuclear energy, and gas shunted overseas,
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  Speaker 2: while new projects and domestic supplies are stymied. This is idiotic.
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  Speaker 2: Every government involved over the past two decades or more,
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  Speaker 2: liberal and labor, state and federal ought to be condemned.
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  Speaker 2: And we all know what's driven this climate change obsession,
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  Speaker 2: climate change virtue signaling. Australia has turned itself into an
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  Speaker 2: energy basket case and it's not made a sceric of
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  Speaker 2: difference to the global climate because global emissions continued to rise.
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  Speaker 2: We've turned one of our greatest natural advantages into a
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  Speaker 2: national crisis, and we've done it for no benefit at
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  Speaker 2: all to the environment.
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  Speaker 3: Just madness, all pain, no gain. And as long as
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  Speaker 3: we leave.
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  Speaker 2: Labored, the Greens and the tills in place, with their
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  Speaker 2: power sharing and their virtue signaling, it's only going to
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  Speaker 2: get worse because on the other side of politics they
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  Speaker 2: seem to have finally woken up. I want to see
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  Speaker 2: a return to a time in this nation was prepared
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  Speaker 2: to drill and refine and store fuel.
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  Speaker 6: I think we need to do exploration in this country.
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  Speaker 6: We need to drill in this country for unconventional oil
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  Speaker 6: shale gas, and we should also talk about using cold.
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  Speaker 2: There is nothing more obvious. We are sitting on energy
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  Speaker 2: self sufficiency and we choose instead to be climate evangelists.
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  Speaker 3: The idiocy is hard to believe.
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  Speaker 2: If this fuel crisis has taught us one thing, it
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  Speaker 2: is that as a nation we are totally exposed. But Albanezi,
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  Speaker 2: true to his idiotic form, says electric cars are the answer.
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  Speaker 4: There's no one who's bought an electric vehicle recently who
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  Speaker 4: regrets that decision.
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  Speaker 2: Great, as long as they don't need to drive too far,
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  Speaker 2: and as long as the wind keeps blowing all day
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  Speaker 2: every day and the sun keeps shining too, so that
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  Speaker 2: we have some electricity, which now is less secure in
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  Speaker 2: this country than ever before because of the renewables energy push,
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  Speaker 2: or then would be all right with electric cars. It's
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  Speaker 2: about twenty years beyond time for some grown ups to
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  Speaker 2: take charge and fix this country's energy madness. Just on
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  Speaker 2: this climate change and energy madness. Did you notice it
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  Speaker 2: was Earth Hour on the weekend? No, neither did I
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  Speaker 2: until this morning. This inane event, the very epitome of
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  Speaker 2: climate change virtue signaling was started in Sydney twenty years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Going back a few years, it was a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: I remember pointing out the absurd. I mean, one weekend
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  Speaker 2: we had Sydney getting all excited about turning off its
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  Speaker 2: lights to save the planet, and then a few weeks
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  Speaker 2: later it was excited about the Vivid Festival shining lights
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  Speaker 2: all over the place. Or maybe people are starting to
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  Speaker 2: wise up, because no one I spoke to heard anything
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  Speaker 2: about Earth Hour this weekend. I couldn't even find anything
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  Speaker 2: on the Sydney Morning Herald website, and they're normally right
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  Speaker 2: into this malarkey. There was a bit of attention elsewhere
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  Speaker 2: with the Eiffel Tower going dark in Paris and the
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  Speaker 2: Acropolis in Athens was there one minute and go on
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  Speaker 2: the next when they flicked the switch. But here in
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  Speaker 2: Oz we just had the footy underlights and we had
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  Speaker 2: a pretty normal Saturday night by all accounts. Instead of
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  Speaker 2: Earth Hour, we had Power Hour. Maybe people are waking up.
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  Speaker 3: In the Middle East.
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  Speaker 2: Israeli and US attacks on Strateiga sites in Iran have continued,
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  Speaker 2: and miss Island drone attacks from Iran on its neighbors
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  Speaker 2: have started to wane.
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  Speaker 7: You've had very good negotiations today with Iran getting a
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  Speaker 7: lot of other things that they should have given us
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  Speaker 7: a long time ago. We'll see how it works out
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  Speaker 7: with They're very good, moving on very nicely, and they've
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  Speaker 7: destroyed a lot of additional targets.
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  Speaker 2: Today, now we all know what's happening to energy around
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  Speaker 2: the world. As a result of this war, Iran has
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  Speaker 2: deliberately attacked Gulf states and oil shipments. It's the one
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  Speaker 2: real point of leverage that Iran has to share the
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  Speaker 2: pain across the global economy, put pressure on the US
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  Speaker 2: and for the Mothers to perhaps extend their hold on
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  Speaker 2: power in that country. The more people around the world
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  Speaker 2: feel the pain at the petrol pump, the more the
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  Speaker 2: usual critics of Donald Trump and the United States ventilate,
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  Speaker 2: and some criticism is also coming from unexpected quarters.
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  Speaker 6: I think this was a huge miscalculation. Iran has managed
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  Speaker 6: to pretty much hold the whole world economy to ransom,
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  Speaker 6: and because we're at the end of a very long
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  Speaker 6: supply chain, we're going to experience pain.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty there saying Trump has miscalculated. Now that ABC
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  Speaker 2: interview was a tour de force by Hasty yesterday, a
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  Speaker 2: master class in shaping the debate. But on this point,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think Hasty is right, even though I respect
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  Speaker 2: his expertise in this field and his brave service. But
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  Speaker 2: the point is it's just too early to tell if
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  Speaker 2: the war ends. With Iran's military apparatus and nuclear weapons
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  Speaker 2: program destroyed, then the world is a far safer and
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  Speaker 2: more stable place for decades to come.
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  Speaker 3: If raging, if regen change.
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  Speaker 2: Unfolds, that's likely to be even better, although it could
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  Speaker 2: be a rocky road. Besides, too many critics failed to
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  Speaker 2: deal with the counterfactual here what's the turn? Look at
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  Speaker 2: what Iran has done over the past few years. It
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  Speaker 2: armed and directed Humas for the October the seventh atrocities.
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  Speaker 2: He did the same for decades with Hesbala and its
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  Speaker 2: relentless rocket attacks on Israel. Ditto the Hutis in Yemen
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  Speaker 2: and attacks on red Sea shipping and Israel. Iran also
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  Speaker 2: attacked Israel directly, and it's played a devilish role of
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  Speaker 2: influence and destabilization in Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. Iran has
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  Speaker 2: been the prime destabilizing force in the region for almost
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  Speaker 2: five decades. Doing nothing to counter this threat has not worked.
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  Speaker 2: That strategy failed under Barack Obama and Joe Biden. War
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  Speaker 2: is terrible and war is a last resort. But if
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  Speaker 2: not this war now, then what allow Iran to develop
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  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons? Allow Iran and its proxies to attack Israel
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  Speaker 2: at will allow Iran to control the fate of Lebanon,
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  Speaker 2: Syria and Iraq, and what of the Gulf states?
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  Speaker 3: Leave Iran with.
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  Speaker 2: That ultimate power to squeeze oil supplies whenever it chooses.
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  Speaker 2: There were no easy choices, and there are no easy
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  Speaker 2: choices to be made here. It's a matter of choosing
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  Speaker 2: the least worse option and doing the right thing to
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  Speaker 2: protect global security into the future. Right now, at the
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  Speaker 2: height of battle, with Iran deliberately causing global pain, it's
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  Speaker 2: not a good time to judge the decision. Talk of
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  Speaker 2: a ground invasion seems unlikely in the extreme. Remember one
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  Speaker 2: to two million people died when Iran was at war
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  Speaker 2: with Iraq in the nineteen eighties, and the Mullahs in
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  Speaker 2: Iran sent children out to martyr themselves clearing land mines.
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  Speaker 2: I've been to Tehran and Baghdad and seen the grotesque
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  Speaker 2: memorials to that horrible war. That's war the West would
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  Speaker 2: want to repeat. So if we remain in this situation
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  Speaker 2: in a month or so's time, then sure you could
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  Speaker 2: say the US and Israel have underestimated Iran and that.
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  Speaker 3: A different approach was needed.
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  Speaker 2: But if Iran sues for peace within weeks, or if
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  Speaker 2: all its offensive military assets are destroyed, or if there
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  Speaker 2: is regime change. Could this be judged as a miscalculation
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  Speaker 2: then I think not. We will see in the meantime
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  Speaker 2: watch out for Trump derangement syndrome and the usual anti
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  Speaker 2: US and anti Israel bias in the media, and the
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  Speaker 2: usual weakness and fence sitting from NATO and the Europeans.
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  Speaker 2: We shouldn't let temporary petrol price problems drive our views
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  Speaker 2: about historically important security threats. Iran is not winning in
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  Speaker 2: any sense at the moment, except in the propaganda wars.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, while we're on this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Let me show you yet another example of ABC bias.
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  Speaker 2: This is the same ABC that was on strike last week,
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  Speaker 2: and the same ABC sanctioned by the broadcasting Authority this
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  Speaker 2: week for an inaccurate four corners report about irrigators. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I want to show you a weekend report from ABC
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  Speaker 2: News about anti.
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  Speaker 3: Trump protests in the US.
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  Speaker 2: It could have been written and produced by the anti
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  Speaker 2: Trump bob themselves.
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  Speaker 3: These pictures from Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 2: Show a pretty poor turnout, low numbers of radical protesters,
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  Speaker 2: which the ABC portrayed as more like a massive mainstream
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  Speaker 2: groundswell against the president and have a look and a
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  Speaker 2: listen to the reporter in with the crowd. She might
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  Speaker 2: as well have been marching with them.
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  Speaker 8: Tests are being driven by a mix of frustrations, from
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  Speaker 8: the handling of the Epstein files to the rising cost
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  Speaker 8: of living and immigration enforcement. There's a strong sense here
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  Speaker 8: that Americans are getting fed up with the expansion of
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  Speaker 8: executive power being used by the Trump administration that has
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  Speaker 8: now got America world and yet another conflict overseas.
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  Speaker 2: No context, no counterview, just regurgitation of hysterical claims about
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  Speaker 2: democracy being under threat. And just to make sure you
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  Speaker 2: didn't miss that ridiculous point, listen to the wrap.
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  Speaker 8: Up Marching with the Hope of Protecting Democracy. Rachel Clayton,
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  Speaker 8: ABC News Washington.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about on sidehood the protesters what democracy is under
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  Speaker 2: threat because they don't like who won. Democracy under threat
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  Speaker 2: because of who won under threat because the elected party,
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  Speaker 2: the elected person is governing.
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  Speaker 3: This stuff is so bizarre.
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  Speaker 2: They're starting to sound a bit like Trump at his worst.
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  Speaker 2: That's our ABC, and we are all forced to pay
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  Speaker 2: for it. Okay, let's go straight to Canberra now for
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  Speaker 2: the latest on the energy decision. And I'm joined by
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  Speaker 2: the Shadow Minister for Energy Dan ten. Thanks to joining us,
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  Speaker 2: Dan Anthony Albernezi has announced today a coalition policy, an
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  Speaker 2: idea put to him in detail, not just publicly, but
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  Speaker 2: in a letter from Angus Taylor last week.
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  Speaker 9: That's right, And there's two things that happened in question
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  Speaker 9: time today that became very clear Chris.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, they've got no offsets.
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  Speaker 9: We also proposed offsets so it wouldn't be inflationary. When
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  Speaker 9: we asked Jim Chalmers about this in question time today,
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  Speaker 9: he had no offsets ready to go, even though we
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  Speaker 9: offered offsets like the electric vehicle charge, like the home
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  Speaker 9: battery scheme, which are both cost the budget billions of dollars.
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  Speaker 9: And the second thing today is the Prime Minister was
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  Speaker 9: twice asked where are the fuel stations which have run
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  Speaker 9: out of fuel? Now last week the government was prepared
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  Speaker 9: to update the nation about that. Today the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 9: refused to answer where the fuel stations are that have
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  Speaker 9: run out of fuel? So a complete lack of transparency,
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  Speaker 9: even though he said going into National Cabinet that was
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  Speaker 9: held today, the transparency was going to be one of
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  Speaker 9: the key outcomes. So this government's failure to lead on
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  Speaker 9: this national fuel crisis just continues every single day, sadly,
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  Speaker 9: all right, So you.
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  Speaker 2: Want to cost off sets to help pay for this.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to cost the budget two and a half
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars given the budgets in deficit and the countries
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  Speaker 2: in debt.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, this is just an extra two and a.
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  Speaker 2: Half billions of dollars debt for Australian taxpayers. But in
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  Speaker 2: the interim it cuts about twenty six cents a leader
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  Speaker 2: at least off their fuel. So that's a good thing
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  Speaker 2: for household budgets, for small business, for big business in
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  Speaker 2: the interim is it should only be temporary.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, and that's why we proposed it last week. And
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  Speaker 9: it's funny the Prime Minister when we proposed to poo
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  Speaker 9: pooed the idea, and yet here he was today. I
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  Speaker 9: think national Cabinet, the state premiers and territory leaders have
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  Speaker 9: forced him into doing this because they know and understand
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  Speaker 9: how much pain they'reout ist. There is out there in
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  Speaker 9: the local communities. You know, mums and dads trying to
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  Speaker 9: get their kids to sport or get to their jobs
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  Speaker 9: are really hurting. As you've said, small businesses are really
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  Speaker 9: hurting and the Prime Minister Sadley's had to be drag
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  Speaker 9: kicking and screaming to get to this decision today. But
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  Speaker 9: of course we welcome it, but it'll be inflation unless
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  Speaker 9: there's offsets, and we offered offsets to the government so
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  Speaker 9: it wouldn't be inflationary, and yet the government seems to
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  Speaker 9: have just rushed this out without offsets. And the real
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  Speaker 9: risk now is that we're going to see inflation of
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  Speaker 9: five six percent following the budget and that will put
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  Speaker 9: even more pressure on families and households, even more than
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  Speaker 9: these national fuel crisis is putting on them already.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so this is good hip pocket relief though good
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  Speaker 2: relief for small business and industry in the short term.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hope this is only a matter of weeks months
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  Speaker 2: at worst, you would think, before prices go back to
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  Speaker 2: what they were earlier in the year. What about the
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  Speaker 2: long term problem here though, of Australia being totally reliant
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  Speaker 2: on imported fuel or eighty percent reliant on imported fuel.
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  Speaker 2: The idea that has been promoted by David chrisp fully
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  Speaker 2: now and by your colleague Andrew Hasey that we need
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  Speaker 2: to drill baby drill to exploit more of our own
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  Speaker 2: oil reserves and gas. Of course this has got to
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  Speaker 2: be an option, doesn't it. And perhaps re establish more
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  Speaker 2: refining capacity.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely has to be one of the key lessons that
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  Speaker 9: comes out of these crisis. We have to be able
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  Speaker 9: to produce more oil here in Australia and we have
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  Speaker 9: to be able to drill more oil here in Australia,
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  Speaker 9: So making sure we expand our refining capability.
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  Speaker 3: Make sure we drill for more oil.
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  Speaker 9: And one of the things that we've proposed to the
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  Speaker 9: government is we want to work with them in a
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  Speaker 9: bipartisan way to change the EPBC Act so that we
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  Speaker 9: can actually get drilling and get that get the work
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  Speaker 9: underway to basically enable that oil to be exploited so
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  Speaker 9: that we can use it in our refinery. So it
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  Speaker 9: will be very interesting to see whether the Government will
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  Speaker 9: amend the EPBC Act.
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  Speaker 3: Like we've said, we're happy to.
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  Speaker 9: Work with them on so that not only could we
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  Speaker 9: see us be able to do this, but we'll be
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: able to do it very very quickly, because who knows
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: given the geo strategic uncertainty across the globe, when we
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: might confront the next crisis like this, I got.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: To ask you a couple of other questions as a
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: senior Victorian MP. First up, the party de selecting, not
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: reindorsing Moya redeeming. That seems a crazy decision, especially now
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that the moderate candidate who was named to replace her
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: has already been ruled out because it turns out he
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: provided a reference for a convicted child sex offender. Does
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: this mean that more redeeming, we'll get a second chance?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Should she get that spot now?
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: Well, I think that everyone needs to look at this,
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: and I think they need to consider very carefully who
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: should be pre selected now. And obviously Moira has been
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: there for all of this term, and I think that's
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: something now that the party needs to look at very
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: very seriously, because obviously she's done an outstanding job in
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: representing the Western suburbs. She's done an outstanding job in
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: obviously prosecuting the case of why it's so important, especially
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: when it comes to females that they aren't there is
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: an issue transgender's issues with impact on their rights. So
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: I think it is something that the party now needs
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: to look very seriously.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she stood up strongly for the rights of women
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and girls. She was defamed by the former leader in
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the Victorian Liberal Party and now she's lost her spot.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Hopefully she'll get it back, I suppose. But was she
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: shunted out because of factional divisions? Was she shunted out
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: because the moderates didn't like having a conservative woman around?
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: Look, it was a local pre selection, Chris, and obviously
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: the local pre selectors made their decision. But as we know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: the candidate that was selected as now withdrawn. So I
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: think this presents an opportunity for us to unite as
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: a party in Victoria and to make sure that we
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: can focus on the number one priority, which has to
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: be getting rid of the justintera Allen Labor government, because
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: Victorians need a change, we need unity. Think an opportunity
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: has presented itself for us to be able to do
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: that and get the focus back on the Allen Labor
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: government which just one example, ten to fifteen billion dollars
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: allegedly of a Victorian an Australian taxpayer money going to
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: the CFMU and organized crime rather than going to fix
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: our infrastructure.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: We have to get rid of this.
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: Bad, bad Labor government and this gives us an opportunity
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: to unite to do that.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, just finally and quickly.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: As a Victorian, the shadow of Desi Freeman has hung
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: over your state for six months since he killed two
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: policemen in that horrific, horrific incident up in the high country.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: The state and yourself, everybody must be so relieved that
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: he's been tracked down. Then he was killed this morning
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: by Victorian police.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: Two things on that, Chris, thoughts and prayers again with
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: the families of the two policemen that were killed or
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: allegedly killed by Desi Freeman. And also absolutely Victorians will
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: sleep a lot easier tonight as a result of the
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: action which our brave police have taken today. And I've
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: got to say a huge thank you to those police
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: who once again have been prepared to put their life
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: on the line so that we can all sleep a
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: lot easily easier at night, and especially those people in
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: Northeast Victoria, because the uncertainty around this has been terrible
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: for them because they've never never known.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: When he might appear again.
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: So I think all of us in Victoria are very
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: very relieved with what's taken place today, but especially those
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: in the northeast.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Spot on thanks for joining us, Dan Pleasure. Chris. Let's
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: talk some more about Dezzi Freeman.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: The fifty six year old fugitive was shot dead during
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a standoff with police in northeast Victoria this morning, more
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: than six months after he shot and killed two police
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: officers execu hitting a search warrant on his property. Here's
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the latest from nine.
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: News Special Operations Group Police. So they're the heavily tactical
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: police swarm this container that you can see on your
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: screen right now. This sparked a tense standoff with Desi
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: Freeman who was inside. Finally they were able to coax
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: him out, and he was holding a gun. That gun
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: actually belonged to one of the officers who was shot
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: and killed out in Poor Punker. So police didn't take
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: any chances this morning shooting him dead on site.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in doctor x Anthy, western criminologist at Central
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Queensland University. Good to talk to you, against Anthea. I
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: wonder if you can just tell us what would have
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: been going on here, presumably while there's been so much
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: speculation as to whether Desi Freeman was alive or dead,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: and whether he was contained in that bushland near his
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: home or it got out to somewhere further away. Presumably
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the police all along had to assume that he had survived,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: that he was laitering around somewhere.
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: Absolutely good afternoon, Crease. So that was actually a point
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: of discussion in the press conference held at eleven am
• 26:06
  Speaker 11: this morning. So the police did outline that whilst he
• 26:09
  Speaker 11: could have been dead, there were some thoughts that he
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: could have suicided in the early hours or days after
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: those two shootings almost seven months ago now, but at
• 26:20
  Speaker 11: the same time they had to look at the prospect
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: that he could have been alive and they may have
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: been people helping him. So they followed all lines of
• 26:27
  Speaker 11: inquiries simultaneously until they located him.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: This morning, I noticed my colleague at the Australian, John Ferguson,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: a very experienced reporter who has been all over this
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: story from the get go. They reprinted today a story
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: he had written a couple of months ago where he
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: was firmly of the view that Desi Freeman would be
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: still alive, that everything about his modus operandi and his
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: character such as it was pointed to someone who would
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: survive in the bush and want to survive, not go
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: and eliminate himself. From your experience as a monologist, was
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: that your view that the Desi Freeman was most likely
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to still be around the place somewhere.
• 27:06
  Speaker 11: Well, I have to say, I certainly believe that he
• 27:08
  Speaker 11: was unlikely to have suicided, simply because of his type
• 27:12
  Speaker 11: of personality. I just didn't think that that would have
• 27:14
  Speaker 11: been his choice. So he could have perished, obviously, you know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 11: without assistance, it's very difficult to survive. But he was
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: a very accomplished bushman and may have had cachets of
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: food or weaponry. We simply don't know. But my feeling
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: was he wouldn't have suicided, and therefore, if he was
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: in the area ord escape the area, that it's likely
• 27:33
  Speaker 11: that somebody had assisted him to do so for him
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: to remain hidden for seven months.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Indeed, I'll come back to that point first. Here's a
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: little bit of what the police commissioner had to say.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Today.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: We're examining the sequence of events and we'll be able
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: to report on that. But it did result from a standoff,
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: the deployment of tactics. He then exited the building. There
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: was an opportunity for him to surrender peacefully, which he did.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Not Xanthey Western. This is the question we need answered now.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Whereas whether there.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Was any assistance for Desi Freeman. He was a sovereign citizen,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: that's part of a movement. There are other sovereign citizen
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: types around. There's got to be a possibility that they
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: helped him out here.
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: Certainly, he was very well known for his views in
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: the community and following the sovereign citizen ideology. There are
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: a significant number of people who do aspire to that,
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: and you know, they don't believe in authority, they don't
• 28:34
  Speaker 11: believe laws apply to them. And certainly he was very
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: in bed in that community and it's a very connected community.
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: So the police certainly indicated in that press conference, the
• 28:43
  Speaker 11: treaty Commissioner that he does believe that some people had
• 28:47
  Speaker 11: helped Desi at some point and that is something that
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: they will be looking at as part of the investigation
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: going forward.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope they track anyone down who did that,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: because that is a definite a serious crime, helping helping
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: a cop killer of all people.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, Anthiy.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I appreciate Xanthony Western there from the Central Coueenstown University.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: You've got to get to a break.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to talk about the
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Manisphere and what influence it's having on young men. Talking
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: about the shocking new Louis through doco with child and
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: adolescent psychologist Michael kargreg Now, over the weekend, some of
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you would have seen that I wrote about a fascinating
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: new documentary by Louis Theroux inside the Manisphere. It explores
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the world of toxic masculinity, a cesspit of ignorance, misogyny,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: anti semitism, and violences piped around cyberspace into the formative
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: spaces of our teenage children. Here's some of the documentary trailer.
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: What would you say is the message?
• 29:49
  Speaker 13: I coach boys how to make money? Oh, this is
• 29:51
  Speaker 13: a nice spot, how to be outside the system.
• 29:54
  Speaker 12: I was entering the Manisphere, a wild frontier of streamers
• 29:58
  Speaker 12: whose behavior is reshar the culture. Do you consider yourself
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: a misogynist?
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: I love women and actually understand them.
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: You think you know better than they do.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: They want to go.
• 30:08
  Speaker 14: They can lead them and dominate them.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Let's go to adolescent psychologist doctor Michael greg Thanks for
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: talking to us again.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Michael.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I got to say this documentary was a real to
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: me as the father of a couple of teenage boys.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I've never really delved into the manisphere before, and it's
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: frightening the putrid stuff that's been putting out put about there.
• 30:34
  Speaker 15: Well, that's right, Apparently you just need to take a
• 30:36
  Speaker 15: red pill and you suddenly see the truth as it
• 30:40
  Speaker 15: is that there are in fact cheat codes to life,
• 30:44
  Speaker 15: that this is all about the empowerment of men. Be clear,
• 30:49
  Speaker 15: there is a war on males and we must dominate
• 30:54
  Speaker 15: women in order to survive. I think the manisphere doesn't
• 31:00
  Speaker 15: just create the problem, it captures young men who are
• 31:05
  Speaker 15: already struggling and gives them a really simple explanation and
• 31:11
  Speaker 15: something to really get their teeth into.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these people are making a lot of money out
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: of pushing this stuff around. It's a lot of it's
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: pretty offensive, but as you say, a lot of it
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: is targeted at women, empowering men and targeting women.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Also a clip here. Often they pick on perhaps they're not.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: The most sophisticated women, but it doesn't matter who it is.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: They just really want to put women down and have
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: a look.
• 31:35
  Speaker 12: Ladies, if you don't mind, can you need in through countries.
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: Partial Barcelona.
• 31:48
  Speaker 12: The format seemed mainly a chance to embarrass the female guests.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in that case, trying to humiliate a couple of
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: only fans type models. But other parts of the we
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: see these influencers saying that most women are thick, for instance.
• 32:07
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean the anti women trope is absolutely essential
• 32:14
  Speaker 15: to this and I think it really does pose a
• 32:19
  Speaker 15: challenge to us as society. Andrew Tait and his ilk
• 32:24
  Speaker 15: rose because there was a need, and the need was
• 32:28
  Speaker 15: that there were a lot of young men who were
• 32:30
  Speaker 15: feeling lost, isolated, death enfranchise, and they wanted an easy answer,
• 32:36
  Speaker 15: and that's exactly what the manisphere gives them.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have a look at another example here, because
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: there's homophobia and even anti Semitism caught up in this stuff.
• 32:46
  Speaker 13: Not homophobic. I have a gay mate, but you said
• 32:49
  Speaker 13: that if you had a son and he was gay
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: and discerned, that's not homophobic. The other thing was some
• 32:57
  Speaker 13: of the anti Semitic things that you were seeing. He's Jewish?
• 33:02
  Speaker 13: Have I said in a clique Jews? Yes, as I
• 33:05
  Speaker 13: mean an agnine.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: It's just in Aim.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: You know, you disowner gay some but you're not homophobic,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: you say if the Jews, but you're not anti Semitica.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: The question I think Michael is key here.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I think it's what's interesting is a lot of these
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: blogs grew up without strong male role models. And is
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: it our young teenagers without strong male role models now
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: who might actually get fall under the influence of these people.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 33:34
  Speaker 15: At its core, the manisphere feeds on this social isolation,
• 33:39
  Speaker 15: romantic rejection, which is a major theme, and uncertainty about
• 33:44
  Speaker 15: identity and masculinity. And I think schools have, in fact
• 33:50
  Speaker 15: and parents perhaps have dropped the ball a little in
• 33:53
  Speaker 15: that we haven't talked about identity and masculinity with our boys.
• 33:57
  Speaker 15: And where there's a vacuum, these people have come in
• 34:01
  Speaker 15: and I think filled it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should talk about a much more positive image
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: of masculinity, as you say, rather than have those people
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: fill in the dots. Thanks for joining us, Michael. We'll
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: come back and talk about this another time. Michael Karr
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Greg there, I've got to get to a break. After that,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: will cross to London and catch up with Sophie Elsworth
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: to get the latest on the war in Iran, plus
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: more on petrol prices. Let's get back to the fuel
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: crisis and the Albanezy governor has today acted on the
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: opposition's idea of.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Harving fuel excise temporarily.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: The move will take twenty six cents off the cost
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: of fuel twenty six cents a later from Wednesday, with
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the heavy vehicle user charge being scrapped too, for the
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: next three months. The governor expects the price flow to
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: the price cut to flow through immediately on Wednesday, which
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: will cut crop prices of course for the crucial Easter weekend.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: The m NURMA spokesman Peter kurr He joins me now
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: in the studio. Thanks for joining me again, Peter, Do
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: you support this exercise cut.
• 35:05
  Speaker 14: No, and there's a reason for a couple of reasons
• 35:08
  Speaker 14: for it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 16: Historically, the NRMA and our other motoring clubs across the
• 35:12
  Speaker 16: country have said this is not the right lever to
• 35:14
  Speaker 16: pull for relief. We absolutely understand our members need cost
• 35:18
  Speaker 16: of living pressure relief. We accept that we're doing everything
• 35:21
  Speaker 16: we can to assist with that problem. With this is
• 35:24
  Speaker 16: twofold one. When you cut the excise at the rate
• 35:28
  Speaker 16: of increase that we've been seeing, it's most likely to
• 35:30
  Speaker 16: get eaten up in a week if the aill prices plummet,
• 35:34
  Speaker 16: if the war ends and the will prices plummet.
• 35:36
  Speaker 14: We're stuck with the cut.
• 35:38
  Speaker 16: But most importantly of all that excise is meant to
• 35:40
  Speaker 16: go into funding the improvement in our road network. There
• 35:43
  Speaker 16: are over thirteen hundred deaths on our roads this year,
• 35:47
  Speaker 16: in the last twelve months, and we're not going to
• 35:49
  Speaker 16: fix that if we don't collect that exercise.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Might have been better to take the GST off fuel
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and make it permanent.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 35:56
  Speaker 16: Look, and there's a number of things they could do,
• 35:58
  Speaker 16: long term road user charge being one of them, even
• 36:01
  Speaker 16: looking at the rate of the increase on the excise.
• 36:04
  Speaker 16: But the last time the previous government cut the excise,
• 36:07
  Speaker 16: our members rang us and said, when is the cut
• 36:10
  Speaker 16: coming in? I'm waiting for some relief, and it had
• 36:13
  Speaker 16: already been introduced. The reason they didn't notice was because
• 36:16
  Speaker 16: it was oil.
• 36:17
  Speaker 14: Prices that were pushing up the price. They're all kept
• 36:19
  Speaker 14: going up and they didn't feel it at the Bowser.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand your point.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: For instance, if you'd made this excise cut two weeks ago,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: it would have been swallowed up already by the increases.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: But as Ross Greenwood was just showing us in the
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: previous program, it looks like petrol price rises might have peaked.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Late last week, they were already.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Starting to come down by seven cents a lead in
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: most states.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: So surely now I.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Suppose you could argue the exercise cut isn't needed.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Then they're trending down.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Once your view on the current outlook of petrol price,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I know diesel is separate, that's still going up the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: petrol prices.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: What do you think is happening?
• 36:55
  Speaker 16: Then, Look, we can understand why the government would do it,
• 36:57
  Speaker 16: because those numbers are soft at best. We've this play
• 37:00
  Speaker 16: out unfortunately the last few weeks we've seen oil prices
• 37:03
  Speaker 16: drop and then you know, you'll see some small changes
• 37:07
  Speaker 16: to the terminal gate price, which makes us think that
• 37:09
  Speaker 16: we're on the right trajectory, and then things blow up
• 37:11
  Speaker 16: again and overseas, and we're back to square one. And
• 37:14
  Speaker 16: so the only meaningful relief Australians are going to get
• 37:17
  Speaker 16: is when this war ends and when the oil prices
• 37:20
  Speaker 16: fall and fall significantly. In the meantime, we've got to
• 37:23
  Speaker 16: keep getting that supplying.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's hope that happens quickly, and it could happen.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: It could be a matter of weeks or months before
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: we see them return to prices.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: We had earlier this year.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Just very briefly, though, Peter, do we need greater domestic
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: refinering refinering capacity in this country. We're too reliant on
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: refined fuel from Asia.
• 37:43
  Speaker 16: The NRMA put out a report on this very issue
• 37:46
  Speaker 16: back in two thousand and eight, then we did another
• 37:48
  Speaker 16: one in twenty twelve, saying exactly that we accept that
• 37:53
  Speaker 16: it's something you don't think you're ever going to need.
• 37:54
  Speaker 16: Until you do, We've learned the hard way as a nation.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you might have to pay a price to have that.
• 38:00
  Speaker 14: When it comes to feel security.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, absolutely crucial. Thanks for joining us, Peter Curry
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: there from the INRMA. I want to get back to
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: around now, because Iran has threatened to destroy US ground
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: forces should President Trump order an invasion. Thousands of Marines
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: have now arrived in the Middle East as the conflict
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: passes the one month mark.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: He's the latest from Fox News.
• 38:23
  Speaker 17: The air war is being prosecuted unabated, Sentcom releasing more
• 38:28
  Speaker 17: video today of the kind of targets they are going
• 38:31
  Speaker 17: after across Iran. Rocket launchers are military manufacturing sites, for instance,
• 38:36
  Speaker 17: And now the USS Tripoli has arrived in the region
• 38:40
  Speaker 17: on board that ship are some two thousand and five
• 38:44
  Speaker 17: hundred marines who could be the spearhead for any US
• 38:48
  Speaker 17: boots going on to any Iranian ground.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in News Corp Europe correspondent and sky On
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: News contributor.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Of course, Sophiel's with in London. Good to talk to
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  Speaker 3: you against.
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  Speaker 2: Sofia, much talk in the UK about possible UK involvement.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I know Kirs Starmer has said it's okay now to
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: use UK airstrips.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, great to be with you, Chris.
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  Speaker 18: Look, kirstarm has come under a lot of fire from
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  Speaker 18: Donald Trump for not helping out the US when the
• 39:18
  Speaker 18: US asked for help. So he's trying to ease those
• 39:22
  Speaker 18: tensions with President Donald Trump at the moment. But today
• 39:27
  Speaker 18: here in the UK he is holding meetings with oil
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  Speaker 18: company bosses because, like in Australia, there's severe impacts on
• 39:35
  Speaker 18: petrol prices here in the UK. So there's no doubt
• 39:38
  Speaker 18: he remains under intense pressure, not only globally but also
• 39:43
  Speaker 18: locally because the impact here on the British public is
• 39:46
  Speaker 18: very real and we are seeing the prices of items
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  Speaker 18: and of petrol soaring.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible to see how the increased fuel prices plays
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: through the political system so powerfully, so quickly, and they're
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: all examining their positions. I suppose let's have a little
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: look here at what Donald Trump's had to say today,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: and then also an Iran spokesman in response.
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  Speaker 7: We have tremendous numbers of ships over there.
• 40:14
  Speaker 14: We don't need them.
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  Speaker 7: All because of you know, the power. Look, I would say,
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: we're just like we're a head of schedule and the
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: ballroom in a much bigger way, we're ahead of schedule,
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: where around we're weeks ahead of schedule.
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  Speaker 19: President Trump is unbalanced, undeceitful.
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  Speaker 3: One moment he speaks of negotiations, shortly afterwards he's managing
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: the war.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always hard to keep up with what Donald
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Trump is saying. But I don't think we can believe
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  Speaker 2: anything coming out of Iran, can we say? For there's
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: just no one seems to have any idea what the
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: prospects are here. Everyone talks about the possibility of another
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: extended war, but it could also all be over very quickly.
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  Speaker 18: Well, that's right, Chris, and President Donald Trump is said
• 41:00
  Speaker 18: there's a fifteen point plan to end this war with Iran,
• 41:03
  Speaker 18: But there's a lot of mixed messages coming out here
• 41:06
  Speaker 18: because we know that Donald Trump doesn't want this war
• 41:09
  Speaker 18: to go on forever. But then Iran is saying, we're
• 41:12
  Speaker 18: not even negotiating. We've got intermediate taries that were negotiating
• 41:17
  Speaker 18: with between the two countries. So it's very difficult to
• 41:21
  Speaker 18: decipher exactly.
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  Speaker 14: What he's going on.
• 41:24
  Speaker 18: But Donald Trump seems confident that he can come to
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  Speaker 18: a resolution. But as to when that is, Chris, it's
• 41:30
  Speaker 18: anyone's guess.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I've just got to get your thoughts on the latest
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: development when it comes to the fallout from the Epstein files,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: because Keirs Starmer's admitted talked about that obvious mistake he
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: made in appointing Mandelssohn as the UK ambassador in Washington.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Here's the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 19: After this all came out, I was particularly hard on myself.
• 41:50
  Speaker 19: So yeah, everybody else was criticizing I guess all that,
• 41:54
  Speaker 19: but nobody was criticizing me more than myself. I'm not
• 41:58
  Speaker 19: trying to, you know, make that a mitigation or an excuse, but.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I know I made a mistake. You can see that,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: you feel that.
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  Speaker 19: I know that after nearly twenty years fighting Sktleman and girls,
• 42:13
  Speaker 19: I made a mistake there.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, Sophie, his head was on the choppling block over
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  Speaker 2: this just weeks ago.
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  Speaker 3: Is he still on borrowed time here?
• 42:24
  Speaker 18: Sarma is absolutely on borrowed time Chris, And look, that
• 42:27
  Speaker 18: seemed to be a bit of a sympathetic interview there
• 42:30
  Speaker 18: for him. But he has made a big error here.
• 42:33
  Speaker 18: And the saga surrounding the appointment of Peter Mandilson continues
• 42:38
  Speaker 18: because we now know that Sekirs Sarma, former chief of staff,
• 42:42
  Speaker 18: has lost had his mobile phone stolen that is believed
• 42:46
  Speaker 18: to have very important information about the appointment of Peter
• 42:52
  Speaker 18: Mandelsson to this role as ambassador. So this saga is continuing.
• 42:55
  Speaker 18: But we know also that the elections here in Scotland
• 42:59
  Speaker 18: and Wales are coming up, and also council elections where
• 43:02
  Speaker 18: Labor are expected to do very poorly. So he's definitely
• 43:06
  Speaker 18: feeling the heat and there's no doubt his tenure remains
• 43:11
  Speaker 18: are very much under scrutiny Chris as to if he
• 43:13
  Speaker 18: can survive after the elections. We'll wait and see.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Great stuff, Sophie, Thanks very much, Sophie. ELL's with there
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: in London. Now we'll catch up with Caroline de Russo
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: and Jamie Johnston. After the break, we'll talk a bit
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: more about Desi Freeman being shot by Victoria police and
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: they also the petrol price problem. Let's get into the
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Monday Panel now, and it's a real treat because Caroline
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: der Rosso's come over.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: In the Flesh. I thought you were just a hologram.
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: I'm real.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: And Geviton UNI's off on leave in Italy. So we're
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: joined by Jamie Johnson again. Good to see you again, Jamie.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: I want to start with Desi Freeman. This is such
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: a big story. People have been so worried about this
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: for so long, and the police action today that killed
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Desi Freeman has relieved a lot of people. Here's the
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: latest from the Victorian Commissioner, Mike Bush just minutes ago.
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  Speaker 5: It's quite clear to us now that the deceased was
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: given every opportunity to resolve this peacefully and did not
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: take that option. I have seen a video of the
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: deceased leaving the building and presenting a fire at our offices.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: There we go.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that was the key question that the police
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: were going to be under pressure. Did you really want
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: to shoot this guy? Nobody should have any sympathy for
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Desi Freeman. I would suggest the police who shot him
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: will never have to buy a beer again.
• 44:47
  Speaker 20: Oh probably not. They would be shouted till the end
• 44:50
  Speaker 20: of end of time. Look, it's one of these things.
• 44:53
  Speaker 20: You always expect that the police are going to do
• 44:55
  Speaker 20: the right thing, but they of course have to go
• 44:57
  Speaker 20: through all their processes, just like everyone else does or
• 45:01
  Speaker 20: in every sort of incident, to make sure that is
• 45:02
  Speaker 20: the case. Sure, now, in circumstances where you're out on
• 45:05
  Speaker 20: a remote property, they do have obviously a bit more
• 45:09
  Speaker 20: time to be able to make sure that. You know,
• 45:13
  Speaker 20: it's not like other people are in danger or anything
• 45:15
  Speaker 20: like that where they have to act extra quickly. So
• 45:18
  Speaker 20: you know they've gone through their processes, they've checked off
• 45:20
  Speaker 20: and I don't think anyone's really going to question that.
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  Speaker 3: No, exactly.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: It's all on video anyway, and you don't want to
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: be too flipping about the loss of life.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: It would have been good to see this guy face trial, Jamie.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: But I mean, if he's chosen to waive a weapon
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: at police, then what are they supposed to do.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I have a bit of a different perspective on it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I had a look today and in Victoria. They have
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: an incredibly expensive prison system. I think we do nationwide,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: but each year it costs between one hundred and thirty
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: and one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for an inmate.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: And so yes, it would have been good to see him,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: you know, face trial and possibly life in prison. But
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: this has saved the Victorian taxpayer about five or six
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: million dollars.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: You've got to wonder whether anybody gets life in prison anymore,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: that's the thing. And you would hope that if he'd
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: been arrested and charted, we never see the light of day.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't happen to too many people anymore. I
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: want to go to the petrol price crisis and the
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: way we've just completely vandalized ourselves in this country when
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: it comes to our own fuel security. Have a look
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: at this from Chris Ulman from his Fuel special last night,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: where he tapped back into his own reporting from two
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: thousand and seven eight and have a look.
• 46:23
  Speaker 21: Ninety percent of the nation's liquid fuel is imported, much
• 46:27
  Speaker 21: of it through the disputed South China Sea lanes. With
• 46:30
  Speaker 21: only forty nine days of supply stockpiled here, the.
• 46:34
  Speaker 22: Energy Minister says the oil supply chain is diverse, flexible
• 46:37
  Speaker 22: and robust, and the government will meet its commitment to
• 46:40
  Speaker 22: a ninety day stockpile in twenty twenty six. Twenty twenty six,
• 46:47
  Speaker 22: How quickly time flies?
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well done, Chris Shulman. We've done nothing.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: We've known about this and we've done nothing.
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  Speaker 20: No, And you want to say that it surprises you,
• 46:58
  Speaker 20: but it doesn't. And and look, I remember listening to
• 47:02
  Speaker 20: the former Senator Jim Mollan, the late jimol and how
• 47:04
  Speaker 20: often he talked about very strong issue and like with
• 47:08
  Speaker 20: energy that we use for electricity, you know, we should
• 47:11
  Speaker 20: also be a bit agnostic about fuel. You know, we
• 47:14
  Speaker 20: produce ethanol in this country. And I learned a fun
• 47:17
  Speaker 20: fact today that if we use some of that eth
• 47:21
  Speaker 20: or we use that ethanol in our fuel supply, it's
• 47:24
  Speaker 20: we produce it domestically, we would add extra twenty seven
• 47:28
  Speaker 20: days to our fuel supply. So I hope that everyone
• 47:31
  Speaker 20: out there, or the politicians are out there, are considering
• 47:34
  Speaker 20: all the potential options, because anything that gives us price
• 47:37
  Speaker 20: reliability and gives us security of supply. If they're talking
• 47:41
  Speaker 20: about things that should be on the table and we're
• 47:42
  Speaker 20: looking at all options, I suggest you do look at
• 47:44
  Speaker 20: all options.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we've got to refine more fuel here, and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: we've got to store more fuel too, Jamie. It's very
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: clear if there was war over Taiwan, which is everybody
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: talks about the possibility of the first thing that would
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: happen is China would close off our ship lines. Now,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: if we had no fuel, essentially in a war setting,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: we got like four weeks fuel.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: It's absurd, It is absurd, and people forget that we
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: are an island nation. I remember it was last year,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Jamie and I interviewed Jennifer Parker and we spoke all
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: about the issue we have with defense in this country
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: because we're on our knees being an island nation. You
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: want to hurt us cut off supply in ships, and
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: we don't have access to anything.
• 48:24
  Speaker 20: And you have some natural advantages and some natural disadvantages
• 48:27
  Speaker 20: simply by virtue of being an island notion exactly.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: And the interesting thing, of course is they've said now
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: that they're going to have the fuel excise, but said
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: that probably won't take place until next week. And I
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: noticed your previous guest, Peter, was saying that in the
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: past some people have been like where is it?
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Where's the drop?
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing I learned today. It's a bit
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: like the RBA having a rate cut and the banks
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: don't have to pass it on, the stations don't have
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: to pass this on.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Well pretty bad. I want to get thoughts on more
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: deeming in Victoria. Now. As a Liberal Party office holder,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: you'll have no thing to say on this. Soe Jamie,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: what do you reckon?
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Do you think she'll go back to the Liberal Party
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: now that this replacement is gone?
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Could she claim that spot or might she fall to
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: one nation?
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a very interesting question, and I mean, I
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: think she's probably feeling pretty burnt at the moment. Can
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I just say I really love Moi redeeming. I think
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: she's a very impressive presenter, a very impressive for her constituents.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: She's the absolutely bravery I think the public want that
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: conviction led politician and she.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Ticks to the boxes. Seconds. Will she stick with the
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Libs or have they lost her?
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I actually think they've lost her.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Good Lord, thanks for joining us, Jamie. Good to see you.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you next week. Care I've see
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: you next week as well. We are right out of time.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Is Peter Kreedlin. I figure she'll have something to say
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: about more redeeming