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A Very Online Summer (Friends of the Pod Preview) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 2: And today, Elijah and I are excited to share some
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  Speaker 2: content that is usually only accessible if you're a Friends
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  Speaker 2: of the Pod subscriber. Friends of the Pod is our
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  Speaker 1: Plus, by subscribing.
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  Speaker 2: At the best friends level, you're not only enjoying premium content,
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  Speaker 2: but you're also helping fuel all the grassroots organizing we
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  Speaker 1: So thank you for that. Elijah, what do we got
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  Speaker 1: for the people today?
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  Speaker 3: Today, we're going big with a best of episode pulled
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  Speaker 3: straight from our subscriber exclusive podcast, Terminally Online. Terminally Online
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  Speaker 3: is a weekly pod where Crooked hosts, staffers, producers get
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  Speaker 3: together to commiserate about being way too online as we
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  Speaker 3: make the shows here at Crooked Media. I'd also just
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  Speaker 3: say in the copy that you and I are excited
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  Speaker 3: to share this content. I'd say John and John are
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  Speaker 3: excited too. They're just on vacation and aren't here to
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  Speaker 3: read this.
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  Speaker 2: They're just so excited that they left the entire state.
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  Speaker 2: But look, the show is a ton of fun. We're
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  Speaker 2: on it all the time. Favre is on, Levitan. It's
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  Speaker 2: a rotating crew. People like Aaron Ryan, Alyssa Mastromonaco, Dan Pfeiffer,
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  Speaker 2: Louis Vertel.
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  Speaker 1: We have a blast.
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  Speaker 2: It's the loosest show on the Crooked Network and a
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  Speaker 2: little silly, but I think you'll enjoy it.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. At the end of every episode, we rate each
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  Speaker 3: other based on how online our topics are. But this week,
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  Speaker 3: we need your help to finally settle the great crooked
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  Speaker 3: media debate. Who is the most online? You can weigh
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  Speaker 3: in by joining the Friends of the Pod Discord and
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  Speaker 3: vote for who you think is the most online. John, John,
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  Speaker 3: or Tommy. My money is on you, Tommy. That's what
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  Speaker 3: the copy says. My money's on Lovett, actually.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my money's on Lovett, too. He's the only one
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  Speaker 2: who is, well, listen and you'll find out. To join,
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  Speaker 2: go to crooked.com slash friends. And here's the episode.
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  Speaker 4: As you all know, the children of famous political families
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  Speaker 4: have been causing all sorts of controversy recently. We have
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  Speaker 4: talked a lot about RFK Jr. 's truly nutty views
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  Speaker 4: on vaccines and a host of other issues.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so excited you're doing this.
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  Speaker 4: There is a pretty wild take from another candidate. that
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  Speaker 4: went viral. The Rolling Stone headline about this is, A
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  Speaker 4: Kennedy Himbo's Viral Rant is Making Nepo Babies Look Good.
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  Speaker 4: Here's President Kennedy's grandson and Caroline Kennedy's son, Jack Schlossberg,
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  Speaker 4: talking about restaurants.
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  Speaker 5: And we have to wait there to eat something that
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  Speaker 5: we don't get to choose, really. We only have a
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  Speaker 5: couple choices. You don't know what any of them are
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  Speaker 5: going to taste like or what's good. And we'll go
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  Speaker 5: eat there and it'll be covered in sugar and we're
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  Speaker 5: going to have to fucking talk to some guy about
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  Speaker 5: what we want to eat. And then we're going to
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  Speaker 5: need a couple more minutes to look at the menu
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  Speaker 5: to read the menu. We have to read something in
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  Speaker 5: order to get the food first. You have to read
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  Speaker 5: to get your food.
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  Speaker 3: Why?
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  Speaker 5: You don't actually need to do that and that's why
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  Speaker 5: I'm never ever going to a restaurant.
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  Speaker 4: That makes you so angry.
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  Speaker 5: Because it ruins your whole life. You spend hours and
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  Speaker 5: hours eating at restaurants when you could spend a minute
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  Speaker 5: and a half eating something that is good for you.
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  Speaker 6: And then what would you do?
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  Speaker 5: And then you can go fucking lie down, you can
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  Speaker 5: go walk around, you could listen to music, you could
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  Speaker 5: get work done, you could hang out with your friends.
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  Speaker 6: No, but their friends could want to have dinner with.
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  Speaker 5: You or lunch with you.
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  Speaker 4: Not everyone likes dinner.
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  Speaker 7: They don't?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of people, most people in the world
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  Speaker 5: don't spend their life eating dinner.
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  Speaker 4: Who's recording that? Do we know? Doesn't it sound like
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  Speaker 4: Caroline Kennedy?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds like her voice. Cannot confirm that, but it
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  Speaker 4: does sound like her. You know what? A few million
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  Speaker 4: views for that. What do you guys think about restaurants?
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  Speaker 4: Are they bad? Are menus bad? Is reading menus taxing?
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  Speaker 1: I think people born as Kennedys with that bone structure
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be allowed to share opinions. No opinions for you.
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  Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up. You haven't gotten enough negative feedback
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  Speaker 1: in your life.
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  Speaker 4: Well, a lot of people have been forgiving that. viral
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  Speaker 4: rant because he's so handsome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be honest. Story of his goddamn life.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 8: This is an attractive person's rant about the injustice of having.
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  Speaker 6: To read, which I do. If you are handsome, I
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  Speaker 6: do agree. You shouldn't have to.
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  Speaker 8: Our standards of what constitutes a himbo.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry. I need jacked, shirtless, drooling.
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  Speaker 1: Drooling?
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  Speaker 6: Just a rich person. Younger man does not a himbo make.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 8: He doesn't deserve the title of himbo is my first response.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: His story is that you could, why go to a
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  Speaker 1: restaurant where you could eat something healthy in 90 seconds?
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  Speaker 1: What kind of life is that? Just eating vegetables over
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  Speaker 1: the sink?
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  Speaker 3: Shut up.
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  Speaker 1: Go back to Kenny Bunkport and leave us the fuck alone.
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  Speaker 4: It's also, it's like, it'll be covered in sugar. It
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have to be covered in sugar.
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  Speaker 6: You can go to any kind of restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: Say you don't want the miso glaze, you rich fuck.
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  Speaker 4: I think he has some confusion about the restaurants he's
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  Speaker 4: been to. Like, we only have a couple choices. Like,
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  Speaker 4: have you been to the fucking Cheesecake Factory? Plenty of
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  Speaker 4: choices there.
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  Speaker 2: Plenty of choices.
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  Speaker 4: The menu's about 100 pages. And we have to read
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  Speaker 4: something in order to get the food first. Have you
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  Speaker 4: been to Denny's? Have you seen picture menus?
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  Speaker 1: I am sort of on his side. Yeah, shabu-shabu, healthy vegetables,
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  Speaker 1: pictures on the menu.
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  Speaker 4: Check out any, a lot of picture menus.
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  Speaker 1: Does he know about shabu-shabu?
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  Speaker 8: In his defense, when asked what else would you be
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  Speaker 8: doing but going to a restaurant, his first example was
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  Speaker 8: go lie down.
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  Speaker 6: And that is what I would like to do.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm like, he's not wrong.
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  Speaker 6: He does make some points.
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  Speaker 4: The variety piece on this said that there were echoes
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  Speaker 4: of Camelot.
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  Speaker 1: I'll throw this fucking Diet Coke across the room. Echoes
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  Speaker 1: of Camelot. Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 4: It somehow grouped Jack's thing with RFK Jr.
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  Speaker 3: 's views.
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  Speaker 4: Because it was like a new generation of- It does
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  Speaker 4: seem conspiratorial. Yeah, it's conspiratorial. And it may be a
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  Speaker 4: more benign conspiratorial.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say it is. I'd say it is more benign.
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  Speaker 1: This is how it starts, though. If people don't go
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  Speaker 1: to restaurants, kids don't die of measles. Give him time.
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  Speaker 1: 40 years of that, he's going to be pumping on
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  Speaker 1: your chest.
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  Speaker 8: He's starting strong for insanity 30 years from now. He's
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  Speaker 8: absolutely going to be president.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway.
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  Speaker 6: When we're all fighting in the Thunderdome, he waves at us.
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  Speaker 1: Good one.
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  Speaker 4: It makes you think. It makes you think about he's
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  Speaker 4: just asking questions about restaurants.
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  Speaker 6: Just asking questions.
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  Speaker 4: I get it. I get it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so glad you did this topic.
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  Speaker 4: I enjoy a restaurant. I like eating at them. I
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  Speaker 4: like enjoying the company of other people who are at
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  Speaker 4: the restaurant. I would say it's one of actually the
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  Speaker 4: great pleasures in my life. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what else.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what else I would be doing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't do much else. Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly. If I cross that off my list.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you. You know what's a joy too? Hey,
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  Speaker 1: you want to meet for dinner at 6 p.m.? Oh
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  Speaker 1: my God. Sign me up.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, I Now I have a toddler. I
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  Speaker 4: eat dinner at like 5 p.m. I get home from
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  Speaker 4: this office. I need food immediately.
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  Speaker 2: I almost said best thing about having a baby, but
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  Speaker 2: not the best thing. But one great thing about having
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  Speaker 2: a baby is you can make a 5 p.m. reservation
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  Speaker 2: and no one bats an eye at it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Emily and I go to bed and it's still
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  Speaker 4: light up these days.
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  Speaker 1: The solstice.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: Solstice.
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  Speaker 4: Eat dinner at 5.30. You're in bed by 7.30.
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  Speaker 1: Probably heaven.
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  Speaker 6: I'll be absolutely honest. Easier to get a reservation, too.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Then it's 4.30 a.m. They are up early.
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  Speaker 3: I was shocked when I wake up on the East
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  Speaker 3: Coast and they're already up. It's wild.
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  Speaker 1: It's not by choice. It's wild.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish I could sleep later.
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  Speaker 1: My boys are up. My boys are up. My boys
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  Speaker 1: are early risers. They're early up. 6 a.m. is the
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  Speaker 1: noon noon.
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  Speaker 4: 6 a.m. would be so sweet to sleep to.
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  Speaker 2: So cool.
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  Speaker 4: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, you're a three. Okay, cool.
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  Speaker 4: Three.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that. I'm really glad you brought it, too.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad someone- No, I figured some people would see it,
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  Speaker 4: but I wanted to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: You guys are going to hate, hate mine. So I
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  Speaker 2: regret to inform you that Republicans are rapping, and they're
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  Speaker 2: doing it a lot.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of rapping going on.
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  Speaker 6: I saw this. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the first of three awful clips that you're going
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  Speaker 1: to have to sit through.
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  Speaker 4: It's Vivek like cake.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not fake, and I swim in a lake of truth.
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  Speaker 4: That's me, Vivek.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 1: DaVake. He is freestyling there on Michael Smirkovich's show. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that was a freestyle?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. I just realized that there are two people in
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  Speaker 7: this room covering their eyes with their hands.
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  Speaker 2: He's the author of the books like Woke Inc., which
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  Speaker 2: attacks social justice movements. Not at all surprisingly, he now
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  Speaker 2: sells anti-woke investment products. So for a pretty big fee,
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  Speaker 2: you can buy into his ETFs and other investment products to,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, show how much you hate people like us.
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  Speaker 2: He's also running for president and hacked the system to
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  Speaker 2: get all this PR. But guys, unfortunately, this is not
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  Speaker 2: the first time he rapped. Vivek was a libertarian rapper
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  Speaker 2: as an undergrad at Harvard. Here's another clip from the
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  Speaker 2: good old days. Stop it, stop it, stop it before
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  Speaker 2: we lose all the subscribers. Yes, he's covering Lose Yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Someone who's tried to karaoke an Eminem song, don't ever
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  Speaker 2: try it.
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  Speaker 4: It's impossible.
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  Speaker 7: Don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: He talks faster than you. He competed in Harvard Open
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  Speaker 2: Mic Nights. I think that one was a competition to
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  Speaker 2: open for Busta Rhymes. So some really early odds throwbacks here.
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  Speaker 7: Busta Rhymes, an incredibly talented rapper.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: The Harvard Crimson wrote, DaVeck only emerges when Ramaswamy is
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  Speaker 2: outfitted entirely in black, complete with a black Kango hat.
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  Speaker 2: DaVeck told Politico, quote, I saw myself honestly making it
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  Speaker 2: big through American capitalism, and that's why Eminem's story spoke
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if the part of the story where.
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  Speaker 2: Rapacious capitalist got to Detroit spoke to him as well.
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  Speaker 1: But, you know, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: He wants to raise the voting age to 25, which
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  Speaker 2: seems very hip hop to me.
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  Speaker 1: So, guys.
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  Speaker 4: Yo.
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  Speaker 1: Bad news for you.
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  Speaker 7: Kids don't get a say. Yo.
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  Speaker 1: It gets worse.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sad to say there's an entire genre of MAGA rappers.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a clip from a Vice story that dug deep
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  Speaker 2: into this. They spent about 45 minutes with MAGA rappers.
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  Speaker 6: Finish the sentence for me. MAGA rap is freedom, faith, family.
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  Speaker 1: Guns, Trump.
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  Speaker 8: We've made a brand new culture.
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  Speaker 1: They call us MAGA rappers.
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  Speaker 6: My fans and my people are just Trump crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I am MAGA.
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  Speaker 6: Like, you can't get more MAGA than me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Trump's a boss. I'm a boss.
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  Speaker 6: Trump's got the hate. I got the hate. Trump had
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  Speaker 6: the girls. I got the girls.
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  Speaker 1: Trump's got the money. I'm getting the money. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: So the guy.
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  Speaker 2: With the hands on the face have gotten worse. The
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  Speaker 2: guy with the face tattoos named Forgiato Blow, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 1: Kurt, His name is Kurt Chance.
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  Speaker 2: A.K.A.
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  Speaker 1: Kurt.
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  Speaker 7: Because there already was a Curtis Blow. Can't be Curtis
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  Speaker 7: Blow 2 and suck that much.
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  Speaker 2: There's another rapper in that clip called Stoney Dude Bro.
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  Speaker 2: There's a whole industry of these guys who just make
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  Speaker 2: songs very quickly. And what they're really good at is
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  Speaker 2: torturing people with songs about.
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  Speaker 1: The news cycle.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to spare you the clip of Roger.
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  Speaker 2: Stone dancing to Forgiato Blow's hip hop because that's just
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  Speaker 2: like not nice. But this is the rabbit hole I
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  Speaker 2: went down in part thanks to another thing I've been
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  Speaker 2: working on. Yeah, it's a dark, dark place. And there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of MAGA rap and they make a lot
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  Speaker 2: of money.
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  Speaker 7: What do they call the people that listen to them?
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  Speaker 6: Are they the earplugalos? Maggots?
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  Speaker 1: Maggots. I just... And they're all from like Tampa. They
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  Speaker 1: all live in Clearwater.
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  Speaker 2: It's very much like giving that like English literature teacher
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  Speaker 2: who's like, you know, Shakespeare is a lot like rap music.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 7: There's nothing more hip hop, right, than reinforcing existing social structures.
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  Speaker 7: That is what rap and punk really are all about.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 7: We want stuff to say exactly the same and actually
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  Speaker 7: be even more established. Right. Mm-hmm. The rich should have
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  Speaker 7: more money because it should be even more rigid.
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  Speaker 1: The original blues artists feared change. That was their issue.
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  Speaker 6: They played right on the beat every time.
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  Speaker 1: No improvisation.
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  Speaker 4: All of those notes are written down.
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  Speaker 1: One in three. Yeah, that's what they did.
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  Speaker 6: All of those notes are written down. Tommy, that's a five.
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  Speaker 1: That's a hard five.
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  Speaker 6: Hard five.
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  Speaker 1: That's a hard five.
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  Speaker 6: You watched a lot of MAGA rap.
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  Speaker 1: So much. Over the weekend, I saw a little indie
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  Speaker 1: film made for a song called Indiana Jones and the
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  Speaker 1: Dial of Destiny.
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  Speaker 4: How was it?
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  Speaker 1: It's great. Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is great.
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  Speaker 4: Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: The movies are back. That's what I thought. I'm sitting there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching trailers. I'm watching trailers for Oppenheimer. I'm watching
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  Speaker 1: trailers for there's Dune. There's Dead Reckoning. There's a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of movies I'm looking forward to. And I'm sitting there
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  Speaker 1: thinking of the 2023 movies are back. And then someone says, no, actually,
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  Speaker 1: Dial of Destiny is people think it's bombing. It's doing
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  Speaker 1: really poorly. It was really expensive to make it. It's
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  Speaker 1: not doing well. What the fuck? It's great. So then
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  Speaker 1: I start digging. Turns out they got cocky. They brought
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  Speaker 1: it to the Cannes Film Festival, and it only got
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  Speaker 1: a five-minute standing ovation.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, that's bad.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Which is apparently in the great inflation. Oh.
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  Speaker 1: era of Cannes. You've got to watch some Cannes standing O's,
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  Speaker 1: my friend. Five minutes is nothing. Five minutes is nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Who's been watching Five, who's been watching Five?
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  Speaker 1: 23 minutes for some best supporting actor. 23 minutes, yeah. Madness.
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  Speaker 1: It's like they're watching like the Grand Guignol.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, hell yeah. Play it, cancel everything's good though.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Eyeballs in hands and put me to sleep.
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  Speaker 6: I'd be like, okay, let's wrap this up everybody.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, but here's what happened. The people that liked it,
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  Speaker 1: the reviewers that like it didn't rave and the reviewers
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  Speaker 1: that didn't like it were able to criticize it and
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  Speaker 1: pan it the same way. because Crystal Skull was so bad.
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  Speaker 1: But this is why I want to talk about this,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: because it's like people have been trained to expect bad
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: shit from these studios for like Crystal Skull, bad, a
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: bunch of the DC movies, bad. Some of the latest
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: Marvel movies have been mediocre. And so people are not
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: going to the theaters as much. And what I wanted
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: to talk about is the fact that Tom Cruise has
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: Dead Reckoning coming out in a couple of weeks. And
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: there's two clips of what Tom Cruise is putting out
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: there to get people ready for this movie.
• 14:16
  Speaker 6: The man at this point wants to die, is what
• 14:18
  Speaker 6: I think.
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: So just already, before we started, he's in a suit.
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: He's got goggles on. It's very intense.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: This is real. Tom Cruise rides a motorcycle off a
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: cliff in real life and then uses a parachute. Six
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: times today.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: Six times today.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Six times today.
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: I mean, it does make me want to see it.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: What is he doing?
• 14:46
  Speaker 6: He's burning through motorcycles.
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: Fuck yeah.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: The parachute opens. Tom Cruise lives. Look at the director
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: with his hands over his fucking face.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: That was awesome.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: The fuck? Then the next clip. This is only one stunt.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: He's 61 years old. 61 years young.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: So look at him.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Two cameras, one on each hip. He jumps off a
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: cliff with a parachute. He trained to learn how to
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: do this. That is so dangerous. It's insane. Take after take.
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: It looks quite beautiful. Behind the scenes, we were all
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: in absolute terror.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: So what's he doing?
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Walk us through what he's doing right now.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: He is flying with a parachute through the air and
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: flying into a pickup truck to capture a perfect shot
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: of him landing.
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: It is truly a one of a kind.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: That is terrifying. Imagine what the insurance policy was on that.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Tom Cruise, during the pandemic, there was this viral clip
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: that went out of him on the set when they
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: were shooting during the pandemic, basically screaming that someone had
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: violated COVID protocol. And it got a bit, I would say,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: braggadocious because he said, you know, we are what stands
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: between the end of movies and movies. Which is what
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: he clearly believes. And you know what? God fucking bless him.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: This guy knows what it takes to get people into
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: the theaters. He would die for us. Tom Cruise would
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: die for a box office opening.
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: He will die for us.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: He's going to save the movies.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: You're going to get all the Scientology people after you.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you something.
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Barbie's going to save the movies, but okay.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: And I'll say it. I'll say it once. I'll say
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: it again. If Scientology makes you that awesome, sign me
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the fuck up. Oh, no. Please don't. Yashar's coming for you.
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: It's already hard enough.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Please don't.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: This is going to be a great arc for you, John.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: What is it? Zinc and some mediocre therapy?
• 16:39
  Speaker 7: I'll do it.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't be gay anymore.
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: You just get it started.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: I guess you have to choose between parachutes or kissing
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: a boy.
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 16:48
  Speaker 8: That sounds fun, but also your legs would shatter.
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: You think you're doing that?
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I am doing that.
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: We just see your body plummet the.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Second you step off a cliff. All I'm saying is
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Tom Cruise would die for us. The movies are back.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: The movies are back, baby. I don't know if that
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: makes me online or not. I don't care.
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: I don't know. That's a good question.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Is he going clear or Going queer, folks. Oh, okay, okay.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: That's like a fun thing.
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: Like, over the summer, like, are you going to join
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: Scientology or are you going to keep being gay?
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: And at the end, you decide.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: I can go either way.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: Drop some Easter eggs. Yeah, mix it up.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Those clips were awesome.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: So good.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Every once in a while, there's a movie that comes
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: out where, like, the stunts and behind the scenes are, like,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: cooler than the actual movie. Like, Mad Max Fury Road. Like,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: I could just watch those behind the scenes as many
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: times as the movie. I guess one? Yeah, you're one. Yeah, one.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: We're going into the real world to watch a movie.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: That's cool. Hell yeah. Okay, I'll take it. I don't care.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: You're fine. Not online. And movies are back.
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: I don't know if I would have read this, but
• 17:50
  Speaker 8: of course it was Bill de Blasio and his wife,
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: Charlene McCrae's article in the New York Times announcing that
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: they are going to be dating outside the marriage. They're
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: not getting divorced, but they are separating, but they will
• 18:02
  Speaker 8: continue to live together.
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: And it is... Incredible.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Incredible.
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: And what I would say, I'll just read some articles.
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: For example, as a queer person.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, there it is. Well, you know, whenever you say
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: as a queer person, we got to put a dollar
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: in the jar. Yeah.
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: And then donate it to votes in America dot com
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: slash fuck bands. Charlene McRae was a lesbian before she
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: got married to Bill de Blasio. And Bill de Blasio
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: basically calls that out in the article. He's like, for
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: the guy who took the chance on a woman who
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: was an out lesbian and wrote an article called I
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: am a lesbian.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: De Blasio said.
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: There was a part of me that would sometimes say, hmm,
• 18:36
  Speaker 8: is this like a time bomb ticket? Is this something
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: that you're going to regret later on? So I always
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: live with this stuff.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: That is a crazy thing to say to the New
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: York Times. To the New York Times, baby!
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: I loved every minute of this. It was a baffling choice.
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: But also I was like, okay, obviously it's like, oh,
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: we both want to be dating. But then people are
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: going to be like, oh, are you out here cheating
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: on your spouse? Well, we'll let everyone know at once
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: by going to the New York Times.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: Three hour interview.
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: Incredible.
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: And also it does feel kind of queer because they
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: do seem like they're still friends. based perhaps solely on
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: the maybe beautifully shot photos of them holding hands. And
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: I guess what I liked about it is like, this
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: is something that like, if you saw like a couple,
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: you do this online, you'd be like, okay, complicated, but Hey,
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: you do you, whatever to go to the New York
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: times is to take an online sentiment, which I support
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: and be like, I'm going to put this in the
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: paper of note.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: It's so insane to me.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Can you just read these three paragraphs?
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so here at the very end.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Ugh.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: Continue to share the home for the time being, Ms.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: McRae said.
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: For now, a photo of the couple in Times Square
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: on New Year's Eve still greets visitors, which may come
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: to include suitors.
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: Ms.
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: McCrae asked Riley if their phone numbers could be included
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: in the newspaper.
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: No.
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: Can I put a picture from the gym in there?
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: Mr.
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: De Blasio asked. He added that he was, quote, not
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: a believer in online dating. Well, you will be soon, honey.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: Good luck.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: How did I not make it to the end of this?
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: And they play a song called Mango by a artist named,
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: I think, Camus. And it's basically like, I love you
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: so much that whatever you need to be happy, I
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: will be here and I support it.
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, again, that's great.
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: It's just I've never had a kind of relationship where
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: I'm like, we got to take it to the times
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: and let them know that we're fucking outside the relationship.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: But I support it.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Albert Camus made music.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: When you're famous, you need a rollout strategy or else
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: people just accuse you of cheating.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: But here's what I would have gone with an Instagram post.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe even a carousel. You need multiple images. We continue
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: to love each other, but we're separated. Thank you. Thank
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you for your time.
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: And there's just like a lot of like lovely.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Why did they do that?
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Did they give a reason in the interview?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: They say that they had a conversation. They said, quote,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: we want to get freaky, end quote.
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: They said, we're both hungry for some strange. I'm not
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: sure they didn't specify that. They said after two months ago.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I thought that was real. I thought that was.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Real for one second.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, why did they go to the New York Times?
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. She said, I just want to have fun.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: She said, adding as Mr. de Blasio turned to her.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: It's not that we haven't had fun. Thank you, honey,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: he said.
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: Every line.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Barf, barf, barf, barf, barf, barf.
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: And I was like, these are obviously conversations that everyone
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: has privately in their own.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: Like, I guess, you know what I mean? Like you've
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: been together a long time. Hey, what do you want
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: to do? That's fine to take it to the times.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: I loved it. I thought it was chaotic in a
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: really fun and interesting way.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: During the three hour interview, during which they cupped hands
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: sporadically and once high fived in agreement.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: This is making me long for the Elliot Spitzer days.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: This is horrible.
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: Also, he dyed his hair, which they mention in the article.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: What?
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: I never anticipated ever doing anything with hair color instead
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: of his now strikingly dark, close crop.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Also, what did it for her? The final straw for
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: her seemed to be his presidential campaign, which was.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: You and the rest of America.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: That's fair enough. Nobody wanted to fuck him after that.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: There's kids, right?
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: Yes, they're both grown though.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: They're both like in their 20s. That could be part
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of the situation too.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, their son came to the office.
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: But isn't it weird to say we don't plan a
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: divorce where it's like, well, what happens when one of
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: you meets someone and then you want to get divorced?
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: Then you're going to come back to the Times again.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: Give an update. Hey, sorry. It turns out we are
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: going to get divorced.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I loved it. That was awesome.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: We did save the best for last.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: And thank you so much to the former first couple.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Did he really say he's not going to do online dating?
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, of course you know. What are you
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: talking about? Exactly.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: Like, what bar?
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: He's an inconspicuous guy.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: He's like 6'8.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess if you're in New York and you're single,
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: have at it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Hey, this just keeps getting better. You're going home with
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Bill de Blasio and you walk into the door and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: there's his wife. Yeah, he still lives with. Lovely to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: meet you.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I'm reading this for the first time. It began with
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: an offhand remark. Why aren't you lovey-dovey anymore, Mr. de
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Blasio asked his wife.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Some things are for the Times, some things are for therapy.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: I love to bring mess to the Times, and more
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: people should be doing it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Hallie, it's a New York Times article, so I feel
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: like that's not too online. It's definitely the best thing
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: anyone brought. Between that and the dinner take, this is
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: the hardest I've laughed at internally online.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: That was a funny episode. I mean, if I do
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: say so ourselves.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I think we can. Hey, great. Are we doing it
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: after the show?
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: What are we doing?
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: We're doing it on Tomatometer. Tomatometer. Tomatometer.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I guess we put Hallie at a two.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Is this certified? Yeah, is this certified fucking fresh? Hallie's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: a two. Tommy's a four. John's a five. I'm a one.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: You're a five. You're the deadest of them all.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: John Lovett interviewed presidential candidate Chris Christ.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. Remember that?
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I thought it was awesome. I texted John while I
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: was listening to it. And I said, this is great.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: And he said, it was stressful as fuck. John, why
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: was it stressful as fuck?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that if we're going
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to have Chris Christie on, it's like worthy of people's time.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: And it's a, not just a place where he can
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: say whatever he wants, but also be like, we're not
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: just doing it to have a, like a old school
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: cable news style fight. And so I just wanted to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: make sure that we figured out like, What are we
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: actually trying to ask this person? What am I actually
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: interested in? What is the value of actually talking to him?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: And I do think like, you know, there are places
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: where I really wish I'd like push back and like,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you know, there's always going to be that. But like
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: in hindsight, we're like, oh, I should have like jumped
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: in there. I shouldn't have let that go to get
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to the next thing. But all in all, like I
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: think we spent a lot of time talking about what
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Republicans think and why they do what they do. And
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: once in a while, probably good to direct that at
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: an actual Republican in the flesh, which is why ultimately
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I thought it was worth doing.
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: Did you know while recording it that you guys had
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: a chemistry that leapt off the screen?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: It was very sexual. Sexual?
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: It was flirtatious at times.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Cut the tension with a knife.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Look, just two tri-state area boys who love pizza in America,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: you know? And that's what it was. Was there any
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: suggestion of, like, getting together later for drinks to chat? Well,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: by me, and he said no. He said no. He said, no, no,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: we're going to leave this here. I'm not interested in that.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: He would be a funny like i'd love to get
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: him off the record and hear some stories you know
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: he's got some hilarious stuff.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah right after i did like make some he's i
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: made some joke about the fact that he like that
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: he'd hit some traffic and i was like probably could
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: have used an extra tunnel into new york and he's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: like well it's not just one tunnel you don't know
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the project and then we kind of got into it
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: for one second off which i was appreciative uh but
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: uh yeah would you have my pants on Would we
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: have Mike Pence on?
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. This is a future question that I have here, Hallie,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: is would you have any other Republicans on? And I
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: would love to have Mike Pence on just because of
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: how you went in on Christie for like, how'd you
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: square that? Like, how do you square your comments now
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: with them? And then just doing that to Pence, who
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: is way less quick on his feet and way deeper
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: in to the shit than Christie was.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Pence is just a talking point machine, though. He'll just
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: be like, well, the Constitution might fail.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: He just won't say anything.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I think the standard has to be like, do we
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: think there's a possibility of a good faith discussion of
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: some kind? I think that's actually one of the challenges
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: of the Trump era is once you've agreed to go
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: along with Trump, you've sort of given up any credibility
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: or sense that you can have an honest conversation because
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you've sold your soul. So that's why I think we
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: would never have real Trump people on and it's hard
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to figure out the Venn diagram of people who disagree
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: enough that it's like a worthy like debate, but the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: people who aren't so far gone that you're talking to
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: like just sort of sellouts who have no scruples.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think it's a question of what is the
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: purpose and the effect of having the person on, right?
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Like platforming gets thrown around as a word. And I
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: think sometimes we don't like define it well enough. And
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: it's like, I don't know that if we had Mike
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Pence on, that would generate any Mike Pence supporters.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Not one person.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: So, like, I am not afraid that having Mike Pence
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: on to be Pod Save America listeners being like, you
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: know what? I kind of like Mike Pence.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: You say that. I don't know. You say that.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: I should suddenly support Mike Pence for president. But I
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: do think that said, like, you should have a purpose
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: of having the person on, right? And I think that, Lovett,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: you went into that interview with– purpose, which is, okay,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: great that Chris Christie is trying to defeat Trump now,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: but how did he do that 180, right? And shouldn't
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: he have to answer for all the shit that he
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: did before? And what was he thinking? And what was
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: the decision-making process? So there was a value to that,
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: I think. And I think if you go into one
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: of these interviews... with that in mind and not just like, oh,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: I'm talking to a Republican because I'm talking to a Republican,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: then it could be worthwhile.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I think the other thing we learned from some of
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: our candidate interviews in 2020 was if you use the
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: opportunity to ask them about things they don't often get
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: asked about, sometimes you can elicit new information and something interesting.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I still don't think Mike Pence is going to say
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: anything interesting, but like I could imagine talking to Nikki Haley,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: trying to press her on foreign policy in ways that
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: like the other press corps just finds boring.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: So they don't.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: So are there Republicans you think that are out there? Like,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: are we softening the ground for Tim Scott with that
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: bet or?
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, part of it is like I think that
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: the Lovett and Christie thing was a perfect mix of
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: he is a Republican that we'd feel comfortable having on
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: because he's out there trying to destroy Trump. And also
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: he seemed desperate enough to want to be on Pod
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Save America.
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: And also there's no conceivable way he will be president.
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: So they're like, OK, good.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: Like even if somehow one person was like, I will
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: vote for Chris Christie, it's not going to happen.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Like, look, if Tim Scott wanted to come on, I
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: would want to sit here and grill him for 30
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: minutes on, like, how could you have responded to this
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: indictment by saying that, like, there's a two-tiered system of
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: justice and they're just after Trump and blah, blah, blah. Like,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: you were in the Capitol that day? Like, what are you,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: what the fuck are you talking about? Like, I would
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: love to go in on that.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: He's also like, I'm the kinder, gentler version of the
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: GOP guy. And he's also just demagoguing the hell out
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: of gay people and trans people all day long. He's
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: saying things that are just as vicious about Men and
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: women playing sports together.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, you know.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah. How is that like love thy neighbor as thyself? Right.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I would love to ask those questions.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I also think like one other sort of meta reason
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: that it's worth considering having people like that on is
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: all the concern around platforming. It's like the goal isn't
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: to build like a magnificent, delicate platform. information cathedral that
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: you don't touch. It's like you have to try to
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: get people to go inside. And the right doesn't give
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: a fuck about any of this. They'll talk to anybody
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: like Joe Rogan will talk to anybody. Ben Shapiro will
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: talk to anybody. And they spend a lot less time
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: worrying about who they're going to platform or not, in
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: part because they have fewer scruples. But that does leave
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: a lot more room to think about what's interesting, what
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: makes this an exciting debate for people to listen to,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: what makes this contentiousness worth clicking on. And I think
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: we would do well on our side to think a
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: little bit more about like, how do we keep people
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: engaged and thinking like, this is the center of the debate.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: This is where people have to come for good and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: for ill.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: So if you don't listen, don't fucking listen. Yeah, it's fine.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: It's a podcast. Delete it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: This is from great name, Chief Iglesias Interpreter.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: They want to know.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I'm turning 30 soon, and I've been thinking a lot
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: about aging and what it does to a person. Well,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I enjoy these days better in my early 20s. I
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: can't deny that I tire more easily, get aches here
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: and there, and know it's only going to get worse
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: as I become older. With the Pod Save team mostly
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: hitting their 40s, I was wondering what you all do
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: to stay youthful. Drink Adrenochrome.
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: I have like a cyanide capsule in the back of
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: my tooth and every day I'm like, it's there if
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: I need it.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: It's there if I need it.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Honestly.
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: So that's one idea.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Can't top that. Can't top that.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: If you don't exercise, you know, eat healthy. Don't go
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: to restaurants.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: I don't go to restaurants.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not giving this trolling question a real response.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Shut up about your 30s.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: It's going to be great.
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: 30s are great.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: You're going to have a blast.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: I never felt better in my 30s.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually think.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: I'd give anything to be 30 again.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: All right. I actually think 20s to 30s is like
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of like brain changing. 30 to 40, you
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: really just, your body does begin to really fall apart.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: If you think you're aching now, just wait.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: No, for me, it was 40. It's kind of like
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: a fun game, though.
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: You just, like, recalibrate once you realize, like, oh, no,
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: if I do something wrong, then I wake up at
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: 2 in the morning. You kind of have to have
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: fun with it, or else it will make you go insane.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: You know what helps? Z-biotics.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, am I dying, or did I have a
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: snack too late? That's a real issue.
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: Sleep.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Sleep's important. Which you won't be able to do. Which
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: you won't be able to do.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: That'll wrap up the advice column. That'll wrap up Terminally Online.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: What a note to leave on. God damn it, Elijah.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: It's a fucking show. You'll never be able to sleep again.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: You want some advice on that?
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I got advice for Elijah after we're done.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Go ahead. Go ahead. Give me give the advice because
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Cameron could use it. How to improve the podcast is
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: what the people want.
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: The red table.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Good stuff.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to Terminal Live. We'll see you all
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: next week.