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Riley Greene Powers Detroit Tigers Bounce Back vs. Cardinals · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And Obaman to another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Bottle Territoy Network, a Troy Tiger's podcast.
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Speaker 2: I'm curious Nigley with.
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Speaker 3: Me as always a man who never bucks at a
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Speaker 3: good time.
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Speaker 4: He is doing good, Karn. You can admit it. You
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Speaker 4: were scared. You were you were a little scared that
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Speaker 4: the Tigers we're gonna drop two in a row and
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Speaker 4: get old Saint louis not the case. Nice rally there
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Speaker 4: Tuesday Night. Zach McKinstry, Riley Green, two guys who have
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Speaker 4: come up big for the Tigers all year. Mckinstrey had
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Speaker 4: been slumping, a little bit, cooled off in kind of
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Speaker 4: a big way. Actually on the road, had not been
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Speaker 4: very good all season, but he comes through. Riley Green
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Speaker 4: keeps driving in runs and the bullpen. Right when everyone's
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Speaker 4: starting to freak out about the bullpen, Tommy Cainley closed
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Speaker 4: the door. In the ninth We're gonna have or something
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Speaker 4: nice little rubber match on Wednesday.
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Speaker 3: I don't know about nice, but it will be. It
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Speaker 3: will be a rubber match.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, like we joke about like trying to
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Speaker 1: plan how we're gonna talk about this and what kind
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Speaker 1: of like what will be like the tone of of
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Speaker 1: the podcast immediately after these games, especially week weeknight game,
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Speaker 1: especially games that you know, they only got two things
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Speaker 1: to talk up, two games to talk about since we
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Speaker 1: last fired up recording. But like, you know, Monday is
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Speaker 1: crumple it up and just throw it away and forget
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Speaker 1: about it type day. And Carpenter leads off Tuesday with
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Speaker 1: a home run, and then and then you get Riley
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Speaker 1: Green with a home run and and so you're like,
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Speaker 1: all right, well, like and the Schoogl's on the mound,
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Speaker 1: so and you know, we got the the injury elment,
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Speaker 1: rogers behind the places, like all these kind of things
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Speaker 1: that you're like, all right, it's like reinforcements. You know,
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Speaker 1: any exaggerate old claims of the Tigers downfall are exaggerated.
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Speaker 1: And then it's just not a lot of offense and
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Speaker 1: and and school kind of you know, doesn't doesn't finish
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Speaker 1: an outing that dictated what we saw the majority of
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Speaker 1: the time. The back thing AJ said pretty defiantly, I
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Speaker 1: would say postgame is like, yeah, I don't know, I
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Speaker 1: don't know.
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Speaker 4: He boxed the front like twitch, then he came up
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Speaker 4: like it sucks. You know, maybe maybe his a little nitpicky.
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Speaker 4: I don't think the runner was going or throwing off,
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Speaker 4: but I thought it was fair enough to call the back.
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Speaker 2: There you go, There you go.
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Speaker 1: It's an analysis from Cody Stapninggen. But it's like all
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Speaker 1: these you know, it's like, what was it the first
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Speaker 1: of his career, like all these like little things, Carpenter
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Speaker 1: or not going after a fly ball for reasons that
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Speaker 1: I assume have to do with lighting, but I have
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Speaker 1: no idea Sweeney.
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Speaker 3: It didn't matter at the time.
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Speaker 1: But Sweeney just coming up short on going back for
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Speaker 1: a pop up, and you know, the the ladder or
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Speaker 1: the former I should say, of what I said led to.
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Speaker 2: A Nolan Aeronado to run home run.
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Speaker 1: And then after that, you know, you start it's a
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Speaker 1: little bit teeth clenching time and and you're just kind
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Speaker 1: of like.
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Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh boy.
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Speaker 3: Then Holten comes on. We'll talk about Holden later.
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Speaker 1: Holten comes on, gives up a run and rather quickly,
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Speaker 1: I might add, and you're just kind of like, well, damn,
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Speaker 1: like you know, all this kind of momentum kill. But
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Speaker 1: credit credit to the Tigers. Mckinstrey gets on there in
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Speaker 1: the ninth uh, you know, hand if he gets out
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Speaker 1: of the jam. I'm not gonna recap every little thing,
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Speaker 1: but mckissy gets on there in the ninth. And then
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Speaker 1: Riley Green, after found the ball off his leg, you know,
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Speaker 1: finds another breaking ball that doesn't break enough.
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Speaker 3: Just you do that to Riley Green, it's usually not
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Speaker 3: gonna end up well for you.
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Speaker 1: Sends it into the corner. Mckinstrey Reddit. No one's talking
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Speaker 1: about this. At least I didn't see on X the
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Speaker 1: history read that perfectly, like perfectly like he. I think
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Speaker 1: he might have looked at it for half a second
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Speaker 1: and then he was gone like like he he like
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Speaker 1: no hesitation, helmet comes off, uh and he and he
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Speaker 1: scored without any sort of play there.
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Speaker 4: And then, you know, can we talk about the whole
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Speaker 4: of base running being in the Tiger's DNA thing, Like,
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Speaker 4: here's how much I've seen it here much, Here's how
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Speaker 4: much I believe it now That ball left Riley Green's
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Speaker 4: bat and I I don't think it didn't even hit
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Speaker 4: the ground yet. And I said, Tiger's lead, you know,
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Zad mckins, here's fast. You know, Joey Korr
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Speaker 4: is gonna send him That ball left Riley Green's bat
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Speaker 4: and I was like, that'll do it.
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Speaker 3: No that I I said the same thing.
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Speaker 2: I was like, there's your lead.
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Speaker 1: And I honestly almost chuckled a little bit because you know,
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Speaker 1: Dan's calling calling it live, and he's like Cora is
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Speaker 1: waving around the history and I almost thought like it
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Speaker 1: really didn't even need to be that dramatic.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know, I McK history needed away.
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Speaker 3: I think he was just gonna go.
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Speaker 1: I think he just knew that that was gonna be
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Speaker 1: a relatively easy run scored in that situation.
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Speaker 3: And uh and he let out a little hah.
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Speaker 1: That was like the cameras caught and that was really cool.
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Speaker 1: By the way, mckinstrey, uh, number one guy in baseball.
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Speaker 1: When it comes to running upright, it kind of feels
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Speaker 1: like he's a coke bottle on top of the head
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Speaker 1: type runner. Doesn't really look streat he's really straight like
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Speaker 1: it's one more so, just a little observation there. And
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Speaker 1: so yeah, they come out, they do their thing. Overcome again,
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Speaker 1: not the overcome bad defense at times, overcome not the
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Speaker 1: sharpest pitching situationally, and then you have your superstar. You're
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Speaker 1: all star, the guy that we said, like as things go,
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Speaker 1: he should be in the MVP conversation. Come up huge
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Speaker 1: three for four, triple short of the cycle for Roddy
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Speaker 1: Green with four ribbys. By the way, Riley Green twenty
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Speaker 1: five ribbys in the last twenty four games.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty good. It's pretty good.
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Speaker 4: Some of the some of the new kind of stance
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Speaker 4: and swing metrics that just came out on statcasts are
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Speaker 4: really interesting. Some of you guys might have heard Ridley
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Speaker 4: Green has the steepest swing in Major League Baseball any hitter.
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Speaker 4: Hard to decide whether you like that or not, because
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Speaker 4: we know the Riley Green who has struggled hitting too
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Speaker 4: many ground balls. The fact that he's got quite the uppercut,
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Speaker 4: I mean, he kind of always has, though, and it
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Speaker 4: was still a swing that was producing ground balls and
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Speaker 4: early on in his career a low average launch angle
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Speaker 4: he could. I guess it's possible to uppercut and still
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Speaker 4: roll over right. But when we see Riley Green go
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Speaker 4: through the ruts he's swinging and missing a lot, it
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Speaker 4: does make me wonder, like, look, I'm all for hitting
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Speaker 4: in the air. You're not gonna hear Old School out
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Speaker 4: of me, you know, try to hit a line drive,
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Speaker 4: like no, hit the ball in the air, pull it
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Speaker 4: in the air, let's go. That's how the game is played.
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Speaker 4: That's how you win games. It's how you score runs.
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Speaker 4: Doesn't mean you know there aren't times you got to
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Speaker 4: move a guy over, But like I do wonder if
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Speaker 4: there is room for Riley to cut down on that
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Speaker 4: maybe a little bit, because we know when he can
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Speaker 4: get in trouble and we also know when he's right.
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Speaker 4: He's one of the absolute best hitters in Major League Baseball.
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Speaker 4: We're seeing it, like you said, twenty four RBI, twenty
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Speaker 4: five RBI in twenty four games. He's been powering this
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Speaker 4: lineup for the last month or so and came through
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Speaker 4: again big time here in this one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and had another highlight catch on Monday, when I
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Speaker 1: don't have to really talk about a lot about Monday,
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Speaker 1: but did it hilf a highlight there on Monday as well?
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Speaker 1: So yeah, Riley Green continues to be like he's the
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Speaker 1: guy that I no longer have to say the things
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Speaker 1: I've had to say the past three years, like look for.
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Speaker 3: Riley Green, look for no.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 1: If you're not seeing Riley Green, then you're just not
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Speaker 1: paying attention to baseball, and it actually kind of feels
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Speaker 1: good to see him get to that level.
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Speaker 4: He's quickly become a savvy veteran.
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Speaker 2: Though.
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Speaker 4: Did you see his postgame interview? Have you seen any
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Speaker 4: of his postgame interviews? They're getting pretty dull. Man, He's
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Speaker 4: got all the cliches mastered. And I know Riley, I
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Speaker 4: know he's got more personality than that. I keep pushing
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Speaker 4: for Riley to be branding himself a little bit better,
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Speaker 4: or for his agency or the Tigers to help him
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Speaker 4: brand himself a little bit better. Come on, man us something,
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Speaker 4: come on.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're not gonna not gonna hear any pushback
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Speaker 1: from me on that.
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Speaker 3: So you know, things are now feeling good.
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Speaker 2: Obviously Monday not so not so much.
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Speaker 1: But the reason why this week, you know, you're playing
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Speaker 1: a good Cardinals team that's hot, and whether they can
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Speaker 1: sustain it or not their their version of the S word.
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Speaker 1: You'll have to go to Cardinal territory to to see
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Speaker 1: see what's going on over there.
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Speaker 4: However, hey, hey, it's gonna ruin all my trade deadline talk,
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Speaker 4: the push to get Ryan Helsley. It's not gonna be
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Speaker 4: possible if the Cardinals are a top.
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Speaker 1: That division, and we don't have to do the Nolan
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Speaker 1: conversation as of right now, even though you know have
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Speaker 1: himself a nice home run today. The big thing is
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Speaker 4: Like I just keep saying it, You're watching this kid
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Speaker 4: flashes are all there. Yeah, you would like to see
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Speaker 4: I think that pitch has started to kind of show
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Speaker 4: itself a little bit more over his past couple starts.
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Speaker 4: He's using it fifteen point three percent of the time.
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Speaker 4: This is part of a larger trend here with Tigers pitchers.
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Speaker 4: to be reverting back to pitching low in the strike zone,
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Speaker 4: low change ups. Low change ups last year produced I
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Speaker 4: and guys like Riley Green with their steep swings saying hey,
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Speaker 4: let's go back to beating them down in the zone.
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Speaker 4: And I think that's becoming a little bit of an
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Speaker 1: Had there not been such a roller coaster of a game,
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Speaker 1: we probably would have led with this. But the Tigers
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Speaker 1: part of the good vibes coming into today with some
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Speaker 1: of the injury updates. Now Parker Meadows is going to
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Speaker 1: start his rehabstance Toledo. His stats are there are no
15:03
Speaker 1: stats because there was rain and so therefore the game
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Speaker 1: did not occur. But that's a really good sign. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: Virling's there. Jake Rodgers is back, as we mentioned, so
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Speaker 1: school bol gets his favorite battery mate back, although the
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Speaker 1: numbers were quite good with Dingler, so we don't want
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Speaker 1: to imply anything otherwise. Also, Alex Cobb, the mysterious Alex Cobb. Technically,
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Speaker 1: the Tigers have yet to have a second player play
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Speaker 1: for them named Cobb. He has inflammation and his hips,
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Speaker 1: so he's getting treated with shots there. And Reese Olsen
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Speaker 1: on the fifteen day, I ll with right ring finger.
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Speaker 1: Wanted to say that correctly, right ring finger inflammation, so
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Speaker 1: obviously a mix there. That's why there's a bullpen game
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Cody, if I could take a victory lap
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Speaker 1: for a second, I did say that the Tigers were
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Speaker 1: one cracked fingernail away from pitching chaos, and uh, it's
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Speaker 1: cracked fingernail, but it's pretty close. And so now you're
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to that. You're gonna have that bullpen
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Speaker 1: Dale on Wednesday, and then we'll see what happens with
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Speaker 1: Casey MII. It seems like he's trending toward potentially coming back,
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Speaker 1: but you just, you know, obviously it's a hamsterring you
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Speaker 1: you'd never know.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, sounds like Casey Mice can be back as soon
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Speaker 4: as this weekend, in which case the Tigers might dodge
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Speaker 4: having their pitching depth really tested. If Myes and Olsen
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Speaker 4: were both kind of on the iyel at the same time,
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Speaker 4: they technically are on the ile at the same time,
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Speaker 4: but you're you're not necessarily gonna miss start to like
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Speaker 4: just turned through the rotation. I don't think. And the Tigers,
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Speaker 4: as much as the bullpen games can be a little
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Speaker 4: bit stressful. We know they're built in a way to
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Speaker 4: handle it.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 4: The injury report on Resoulson said he got multiple opinions.
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Speaker 4: I thought that was a little strange for finger inflammation.
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Speaker 4: So I'm gonna be interested to learn a little bit
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Speaker 4: more about that injury. But I think what the people
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Speaker 4: really want to talk about is Alex Cobb. There's some
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Speaker 4: people up in arms that Alex Cobb has yet to
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Speaker 4: do anything and he's getting paid fifteen million and being
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Speaker 4: scheduled for a series of injections. Just doesn't sound like
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Speaker 4: what you want to hear, especially maybe if the Tigers
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Speaker 4: were in a spot where they could have some use
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Speaker 4: for him by this point. Unfortunately, I can't say I'm
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Speaker 4: surprised by this. I think I've hinted at it a
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Speaker 4: little bit, But what I had heard is that like
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Speaker 4: Alex Cobb's able to pitch, he's actually throwing the ball
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Speaker 4: quite well. The whole walking thing, the whole having mobility,
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Speaker 4: being able to field his position, let alone walker across
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Speaker 4: the clubhouse. That hasn't been great. The hips really bothering him,
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Speaker 4: and they have to get that inflammation out before he's
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Speaker 4: going to be able to pitch at the major league
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Speaker 4: level or even start a rehab assignment. I don't know,
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Speaker 4: Like like we're into May and away the season still
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Speaker 4: early in away, like that clock's kind of ticking, and
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Speaker 4: you do worry that if that hip which is not right,
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Speaker 4: then what are you going to get out of this
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Speaker 4: fifteen million investment. We've seen the guys in that bucket,
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Speaker 4: older pitchers getting that fifteen plus million. Max Sure's have
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Speaker 4: been hurt. Charlie Morton has been a disaster. Justin Ferlander,
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Speaker 4: it turns out, has been the best of that bunch.
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Speaker 4: So maybe a victory lap for those who would have
18:21
Speaker 4: rather the Tigers signed Justin Furlander rather than Alex Cobb.
18:27
Speaker 3: I don't know.
18:27
Speaker 4: The Tigers have the second best run differential in baseball.
18:30
Speaker 4: They have the best record in the American League, so
18:33
Speaker 4: it's hard to harp too much. But yeah, you know,
18:36
Speaker 4: twenty five mil on Kintamaida and Alex Cobb kind of
18:41
Speaker 4: not a great look. And there's kind of this narrative
18:44
Speaker 4: here in that the Tigers are so good at pitching,
18:48
Speaker 4: and it's not wrong, and they're so good at identifying pitching.
18:51
Speaker 4: But when you start to list the guy Scott Harris
18:54
Speaker 4: is acquired in free agency starting with Easy to Forget.
18:57
Speaker 4: His first signing I believe was Matthew Bully. That wasn't great,
19:02
Speaker 4: Shelby Miller wasn't necessarily great. Last year, you know, Flarity
19:07
Speaker 4: was obviously a great move, Michael Lorenzen worked out quite well.
19:11
Speaker 4: But there have been some misses in free agency too.
19:13
Speaker 4: And if we don't see Alex Cobb soon, he may
19:16
Speaker 4: go down as a miss.
19:19
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, I think we're a major league
19:24
Speaker 1: baseball giving Jack Flaherty the market heat is he wanted
19:30
Speaker 1: and his mind deserved away from kind of constantly questioning
19:35
Speaker 1: the front office because if.
19:38
Speaker 4: You did, if you did Jack Flaherty as a four
19:40
Speaker 4: to four year a right now, by the way.
19:42
Speaker 1: Sure sure, but like you can afford metaphorically for Alex
19:49
Speaker 1: Cobb to be out of sight, out of mind, and you.
19:52
Speaker 3: Know, it may be May, but not too far away
19:55
Speaker 3: from June.
19:56
Speaker 1: And you know, and and and these things are going
19:59
Speaker 1: to add up all of his especially with the language
20:01
Speaker 1: and the really the lack of I want to say transparency,
20:05
Speaker 1: because they are transparent, but the whole thing about like
20:08
Speaker 1: his bullpen and like all that stuff, like you know,
20:10
Speaker 1: just weird, just weird. That's all just just a little weird.
20:13
Speaker 1: And and so yeah, like there could be it could
20:17
Speaker 1: come decision time. Uh here, maybe they're not too distant future.
20:22
Speaker 1: But I did want to say, Matt Vierling, he's nine
20:26
Speaker 1: games into his stint in Toledo, So I wonder if
20:31
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder if that's you know, this weekend
20:33
Speaker 1: there was talking might be you know, Saint Louis series
20:36
Speaker 1: that's obviously about rap, so probably not, but you know,
20:40
Speaker 1: who knows, something happened tomorrow and and so like you
20:43
Speaker 1: think maybe he's close Parker. I'm curious how long this
20:48
Speaker 1: will be because with the nerve thing and like how
20:54
Speaker 1: many game throws are they really gonna want to see
20:59
Speaker 1: how much like we don't know what these defensive drills
21:03
Speaker 1: he was doing. Obviously the right arm as a lefty,
21:06
Speaker 1: like that's that's that's your that's your lead. How much
21:09
Speaker 1: does that play into it? Like I'm just throwing all
21:11
Speaker 1: these things out there. I wonder, I wonder if this
21:13
Speaker 1: could be a slower process for Parker.
21:17
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
21:18
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe no.
21:19
Speaker 4: I think Vierling's a pretty good model. They've obviously been
21:21
Speaker 4: pretty conservative with Vierling, and that's taken even a few
21:24
Speaker 4: extra days because they won't see him make the infield
21:27
Speaker 4: throws as well as the outfield throws. I don't think
21:29
Speaker 4: this is going to be three to five days, and
21:32
Speaker 4: Parker's back in the big leagues. But you know, a week,
21:36
Speaker 4: ten days, if he his arm is tested and if
21:39
Speaker 4: he holds up, you know, I would tend to think
21:42
Speaker 4: that would cover it. The good news is you don't
21:45
Speaker 4: have to put him in another position and see him
21:47
Speaker 4: throw from various arm angles and stuff like that. But
21:50
Speaker 4: you obviously have to make sure the arm is right.
21:52
Speaker 4: You obviously can't guarantee game reps. You know what if
21:56
Speaker 4: no one hits it to him? What if there's not
21:58
Speaker 4: a play at third, a play at home. So I
22:00
Speaker 4: think it'll be a little bit longer than you know,
22:04
Speaker 4: maybe we're kind of accustomed to, but maybe still shorter
22:09
Speaker 4: than Matt Erling's free am senge.
22:11
Speaker 1: And not to speaking of center fielders, not to you know,
22:15
Speaker 1: not include him, but Wentz up Perez is just continuing through.
22:19
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a scary moment there
22:21
Speaker 1: over the weekend, but I think he's okay. But you know,
22:25
Speaker 1: continuing through the rehab process as well, that that appears
22:28
Speaker 1: that one will probably take a little bit longer too.
22:31
Speaker 1: So so the mostly positive injury updates for the Tigers,
22:37
Speaker 1: the most present one obviously being Jake Rodgers being back,
22:40
Speaker 1: which of course this is necessity necessitated the move of
22:44
Speaker 1: Thomas Nido relief pitcher Thomas Nido Uh. His last appearance
22:49
Speaker 1: with the Tigers is uh is as a player position
22:54
Speaker 1: player pitcher. But a job well done by Thomas Uh.
22:58
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens in the waiver situation. If I
23:00
Speaker 1: imagine he'll probably find himself a home in the major leagues.
23:03
Speaker 1: If not, I'm sure the Tigers would love to have
23:07
Speaker 1: him back. So that's your injury update. We'll see any
23:11
Speaker 1: news changes this weekend.
23:15
Speaker 2: Well.
23:16
Speaker 1: Speaking of the of the bullpen and and all that stuff,
23:20
Speaker 1: Cody kind of a a little bit of a mixed back,
23:25
Speaker 1: a little bit of a mixed bag today. We will
23:29
Speaker 1: best came in. First of all, you had to use
23:31
Speaker 1: all your horses today. That's probably the number one negative
23:33
Speaker 1: thing with the wind is you had to use all
23:36
Speaker 1: your horses. You you know, you bring in Hannifee there,
23:39
Speaker 1: but obviously the big ones are holding Vest and Cantley,
23:42
Speaker 1: and they pitched low enough that in a pinch not
23:47
Speaker 1: to be weird, but not in a pinch like like
23:50
Speaker 1: you probably Hinch might be able to bring some of
23:53
Speaker 1: them back. But best I know, he got squeezed there.
23:56
Speaker 1: But eighteen pitches, six strikes. It's obviously not the best
24:00
Speaker 1: that we're accustomed to, and Holten gives up the run.
24:04
Speaker 1: So Holten I kind of been waiting for the right
24:07
Speaker 1: time to bring it up. Now it feels like a
24:09
Speaker 1: right time. In his last nine games, he's nine point
24:13
Speaker 1: one innings, pitched, thirteen hits, He's given up three home
24:17
Speaker 1: runs and in total that seven earned runs for Tyler
24:21
Speaker 1: Holten over you know, basically a baseball game stretch here
24:26
Speaker 1: for him recently. And if you've been watching and listening
24:30
Speaker 1: to the games, you know that he's not getting first
24:33
Speaker 1: pitch strikes as often as as he did before. And
24:38
Speaker 1: that might be kind of the easiest thing to kind
24:40
Speaker 1: of clink to. But but what are you seeing Cody
24:43
Speaker 1: from Tyler holding a guy that mind you received an
24:47
Speaker 1: MVP vote last year and was as critical a piece
24:52
Speaker 1: of the pitching chaos as anybody.
24:55
Speaker 3: So what are you seeing?
24:58
Speaker 1: And then when we start doing the C word in
25:02
Speaker 1: terms of concern levels for mister Holton.
25:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's fair to have some mild concern
25:10
Speaker 4: right now because just all across the board he hasn't
25:14
Speaker 4: been as sharp. The velocity is not down drastically, and
25:18
Speaker 4: velocity is not really them of his game, but for
25:21
Speaker 4: seem average ninety two last year right now, it's averaging
25:24
Speaker 4: ninety one point four the cutters. His best pitch, the
25:27
Speaker 4: velo is actually up on his cutter, but the movement
25:31
Speaker 4: profile is a little bit different. It's become more of
25:36
Speaker 4: a vertical pitch. It has more of a or excuse me,
25:40
Speaker 4: it has less of a vertical drop as he's throwing
25:42
Speaker 4: it harder, but it's also not getting the horizontal movement.
25:46
Speaker 4: So that pitch just hasn't been as good quite quite simply,
25:51
Speaker 4: Ponan's hit one ninety four against it last year and
25:53
Speaker 4: they're hitting to ninety two against it this year. That's
25:56
Speaker 4: supposed to be his calling card. He's not missing bats
25:59
Speaker 4: with it. Not sure what's causing that, but the cutter's
26:02
Speaker 4: got to get itself dialed back in. You know, that's
26:06
Speaker 4: been an issue. Opponents are hitting him harder. You can
26:09
Speaker 4: go look at the metrics. They pretty much all paint
26:11
Speaker 4: a picture of a guy who's just not been as effective.
26:15
Speaker 4: And then maybe there's simply the game correcting itself a
26:18
Speaker 4: little bit. Karan Tyler Holton over the past two seasons
26:23
Speaker 4: that sustained a ridiculous two to oh seven babbit like
26:28
Speaker 4: balls in play against him were just turning into outs.
26:31
Speaker 4: And he's a ground ball pitcher. He throws the cutter.
26:34
Speaker 4: You know, he has an arsenal that you're beginning to think, Okay,
26:37
Speaker 4: maybe that's not just luck. Maybe there's a skill in that.
26:40
Speaker 4: Maybe the way Tigers used stuff plus and pitch modeling,
26:44
Speaker 4: they thought that was more sustainable than conventional Bill James
26:49
Speaker 4: wisdom would lead us to believe.
26:51
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
26:51
Speaker 4: The babbit against Holton this year, Karen to eighty three
26:54
Speaker 4: a lot closer to kind of that two ninety ish
26:57
Speaker 4: to three hundred average that we normally view as normal.
27:02
Speaker 4: So he's getting you know, less favorable luckwin Balden play,
27:08
Speaker 4: the v Low's down, the cutter's not moving the same way.
27:11
Speaker 4: It all adds up to that's reason for concern. And
27:15
Speaker 4: then it's like, Okay, well, why is his body not
27:18
Speaker 4: moving right? Is there something off physically or is this
27:21
Speaker 4: just baseball? That's obviously the part we don't know. And
27:25
Speaker 4: I guess that's the part that scares me a little
27:26
Speaker 4: bit because you just hope this is you know, maybe
27:30
Speaker 4: a quick mechanical tweak away from being fixed, rather than
27:34
Speaker 4: there's some larger issue at hand.
27:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, and one could argue that maybe the larger issue
27:41
Speaker 1: at hand is the lack of you get, the lack
27:46
Speaker 1: of having another option in there that you can kind
27:49
Speaker 1: of give him a little bit of time to work
27:51
Speaker 1: on this. And we talked about last time last time
27:54
Speaker 1: about you know, getting the swing and miss guy in
27:56
Speaker 1: the bullpen, and it does kind of feel like they
27:58
Speaker 1: could use another high leverage, reliable guy and we'll see
28:02
Speaker 1: those are you know, the hardest thing to acquire at
28:05
Speaker 1: the trade deadline. I want to end on a couple
28:07
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Speaker 1: All Right, Well, I mentioned the Jackson Joe you know,
28:47
Speaker 1: os a thing that happened on Sunday, and I will
28:52
Speaker 1: I will say I was hoping it would have like
28:55
Speaker 1: a better ending, but at the in the moment, it
28:57
Speaker 1: was still fun, a fun thing for me to observe.
29:00
Speaker 2: I wanted to share with everybody.
29:01
Speaker 1: When, uh, when Carpenter doesn't come in on that fly
29:05
Speaker 1: ball and then Nolan hits that home run, I turned
29:10
Speaker 1: to my wife and I was like, I would bet
29:13
Speaker 1: a month's salary that school boy is going to get
29:16
Speaker 1: a strike out here and then and then when there
29:20
Speaker 1: was a late batter time out, I was like, make
29:23
Speaker 1: it two months, because there is no way that hey,
29:28
Speaker 1: he's certainly not giving up a hit.
29:30
Speaker 3: Like it's just like there's no way, like you know, when.
29:33
Speaker 1: School boy gets into that kind of mode where he's
29:36
Speaker 1: like all right, f the world like like it would
29:40
Speaker 1: want to be in the box against that. And that
29:42
Speaker 1: was that was one of those moments because his reaction
29:44
Speaker 1: to the to the Carpenter play, misplay, whatever you want
29:48
Speaker 1: to call it, was sort of like I think he
29:52
Speaker 1: would probably admit it was a little bit a little
29:54
Speaker 1: bit overt than he would want. Like it was like,
29:57
Speaker 1: you know, like he couldn't like believe it. And I
29:59
Speaker 1: don't blame him. There's not criticism obviously, but he couldn't
30:02
Speaker 1: believe it. And I and and and then obviously, like
30:05
Speaker 1: I said, the home run a slider that too much,
30:09
Speaker 1: too much of the plate there, Nolan is not going
30:11
Speaker 1: to miss that. He's too too savvy of a hitter.
30:13
Speaker 1: And but but the next guy up was one hundred
30:16
Speaker 1: percent going to get a strike out. Uh So I
30:19
Speaker 1: found that I felt, I I just wanted to say
30:21
Speaker 1: I put in the call. I don't know if anybody
30:22
Speaker 1: believes me, but but by putting the call, there something
30:26
Speaker 1: you you watch schoolble enough and you and you can
30:28
Speaker 1: kind of pick up on his uh and he's and
30:31
Speaker 1: he's obviously, you.
30:32
Speaker 3: Know good enough to come through with this.
30:33
Speaker 1: I'm sure every guy would like to get a strike
30:35
Speaker 1: out after a home run, but you watch him enough
30:37
Speaker 1: and you think it's not gonna be good for this
30:40
Speaker 1: next hitter. He sometimes sometimes schoolble kind of you know,
30:48
Speaker 1: let's the emotions. Uh, let's the emotions fly a little bit.
30:52
Speaker 1: So overall, you know what what a series with the
30:59
Speaker 1: with with the blowout out and then you know this
31:02
Speaker 1: it's not really a comeback win, but you know, regain
31:05
Speaker 1: the win. It's kind of like a different version of
31:07
Speaker 1: the whole twenty seven outs thing, because typically when we
31:09
Speaker 1: say the twenty seven outs thing, it's like you're down
31:12
Speaker 1: for nothing in the third ending and then you come
31:14
Speaker 1: back and win.
31:15
Speaker 2: And this was kind of like the inverse of it.
31:17
Speaker 1: So it was nice to see kind of the stars
31:19
Speaker 1: come out and then the Tigers make enough plays there.
31:22
Speaker 1: Like one of the instances of AJ and he said
31:25
Speaker 1: this basically after the game is like, you know, like
31:27
Speaker 1: I can't necessarily worry about the bullpen game tomorrow, Like
31:30
Speaker 1: we have to kind of go go get this win.
31:34
Speaker 1: So it was pretty fun, pretty fun. Anything else going
31:36
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, No.
31:38
Speaker 4: That's about it just just out of fairness.
31:40
Speaker 5: You know.
31:40
Speaker 4: Sometimes I talk about, like my takeaways, just other teams
31:43
Speaker 4: being really bad, you know, the Angels, the Rockies, think
31:46
Speaker 4: there have been some other teams. I'm very impressed with
31:48
Speaker 4: the Saint Louis Cardinals, and this is a team I
31:50
Speaker 4: did not think was going to be good coming into
31:52
Speaker 4: this year. Obviously, they are exceeding expectations to two teams
31:57
Speaker 4: with birds as their mascots have gone very different because
32:00
Speaker 4: the Baltimore Orioles are in free fall, have fired their manager.
32:05
Speaker 4: The Cardinals are seeing expectations. The Tigers a lot of
32:08
Speaker 4: people thought would be competitive there playing at the top
32:12
Speaker 4: of the league. Right now, we're a reminder that, man,
32:15
Speaker 4: this is a crazy game and it's only May. I'm
32:18
Speaker 4: sure we have some more twists and turns and store
32:20
Speaker 4: both of the Tigers and across the rest of the league.
32:23
Speaker 4: So just some things to keep into perspective as we
32:27
Speaker 4: get a little deeper into the schedule.
32:29
Speaker 1: Yes, and I did want to say there Hobby Bias
32:34
Speaker 1: had himself a nice catch there in the ninth inning,
32:36
Speaker 1: and yes, I do have to do a better job
32:39
Speaker 1: with the way that he is playing. Thank you for
32:40
Speaker 1: pointing this out on x fully known as Twitter at
32:43
Speaker 1: Cody Stavenhagen, I'm at Kieran on his course s dec
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Speaker 1: lead that I am calling him hobber too much.
32:48
Speaker 3: That is not the proper thing to do.
32:50
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32:54
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