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Jaguars Happy Hour | Jaguars Texans Rivalry, Keys to Victory in Week 6 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, October 15th.
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  Speaker 2: This is Jaguars Happy Hour. And now a guy who
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  Speaker 2: knows two years is definitely not too long to hold
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  Speaker 2: a grudge.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Sexton.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get it. What am I missing?
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  Speaker 1: Two years, okay? Yeah. Al Shayer.
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  Speaker 2: Two years. All right. There you go.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still holding the grudge.
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  Speaker 2: Over that one. Absolutely. Yeah, me too. You're right, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Let's not forget. You're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming that's what Joe was referring to.
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  Speaker 2: It might be. It might be.
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  Speaker 1: But then again, as Joe, it may not be.
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  Speaker 2: You assume at your own risk.
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  Speaker 1: This is rivalry week. Let me spit that out. Easy
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  Speaker 1: for you to say. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And this is by far. the most intense rivalry in
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  Speaker 3: franchise history.
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  Speaker 2: Hold that thought. Let me say welcome to everybody, and
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  Speaker 2: then I want to get right on it. Welcome to
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  Speaker 2: the Library at the Grove, our de facto Hyundai studio
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  Speaker 2: here this week, and Brian Sexton along with Jeff Lagerman
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  Speaker 2: for Jaguar's Happy Hour, followed by Jags HQ. At some
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  Speaker 2: point we anticipate Tony Buscelli, And James Gladstone, there's probably
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  Speaker 2: something that moves in here, right? Like the fireplace lifts
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  Speaker 2: up or the floor drops out. Something. They will appear
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  Speaker 2: magically on our show. And at the top of the hour,
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  Speaker 2: 5 o'clock, we will have Tony and James. So let's
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  Speaker 2: get back to the rivalry side of it. I had
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  Speaker 2: a conversation with your friend and mine, Fred Taylor, earlier today.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And Fred agreed. Fred agreed. The rivalry in 1999 was
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  Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans. And Fred, you know, famously was mouthy
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  Speaker 2: with Frank Wycheck. And that crew, they had beaten the
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars twice. And Fred kept saying, we're still the better team.
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  Speaker 2: There was just an angst.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff Fisher just, you know, just stirred the pot, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. But, you know, to go back to
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  Speaker 3: the early days, I mean, the reality is that rivalries
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  Speaker 3: are formed from two good teams that are competing for
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  Speaker 3: something that's very similar to When it comes to goals,
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  Speaker 3: and you go back to the early Jaguar days, we
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  Speaker 3: made the Pittsburgh Steelers our rival just because they were
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  Speaker 3: king of the hill.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't look at us in 1995 as that we
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  Speaker 3: were their rival, but we made them our rival.
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  Speaker 2: Well, then you got their attention because you beat them
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  Speaker 2: the first time they came to Jacksonville. Remember that?
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  Speaker 1: Mission accomplished.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The week after.
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  Speaker 3: And then eventually, you know, okay, you go by the wayside,
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  Speaker 3: and now you've got, you know, a new division and
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  Speaker 3: everything else.
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  Speaker 1: Now you've got to kind of create new rivalries.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, even for a while, you could say that
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  Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens were our rival for a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: So did this rivalry start with the linebacker hitting the quarterback?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, because the Jaguars had not been that– they'd
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  Speaker 2: been not a strong participant in this rivalry for quite
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  Speaker 2: a while.
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  Speaker 3: And that was the problem. That's why it never became
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  Speaker 3: a rivalry. is because the Texans were winning the division,
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  Speaker 3: but we were not competing.
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  Speaker 2: Not even in the race.
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  Speaker 3: And so, again, it's got to have two teams that
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  Speaker 3: are competing for something similar. We weren't in that category
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  Speaker 3: or that conversation. And so now that is the conversation.
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  Speaker 3: And so the linebacker, Al Shayer, helped create the rivalry
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  Speaker 3: and to deepen it even more.
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  Speaker 1: And even though you had.
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  Speaker 3: A changing of coaching staffs with the Jaguars, Liam Cohn
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  Speaker 3: embraced this rivalry. I mean, completely and fully he embraced it.
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  Speaker 3: And so he has encouraged his players and has talked
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  Speaker 3: to his players about how that this is a rivalry
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  Speaker 3: and that we need to be the more physical team.
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  Speaker 3: And this will be, and I remember last year, the
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  Speaker 3: two games against the Texans last year were hands down
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  Speaker 3: the most physical games that the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: Played all year last year.
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  Speaker 3: And this year, it will be no different. I don't
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  Speaker 3: care what the records are.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's get right to it. How about our big
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  Speaker 2: they have extraordinarily fast delivery. Seabreeze Propane. So let me
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  Speaker 2: run through these and then we can talk about them individually.
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  Speaker 2: The first is Bullseye. You know what? Let's go one
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  Speaker 2: by one, right? Bullseye. There is an opportunity. the Texans
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  Speaker 2: see in front of them. If they can hit the
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  Speaker 2: mark this week, they can go 2-4, make the Jaguars 4-2,
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  Speaker 2: shorten the distance between the two of them, and get
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  Speaker 2: their season back on track. They, if they lose, are 1-5,
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  Speaker 2: four games back, not two, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: they're in a world of hurt because they're 0-3 at home.
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  Speaker 2: They've got a lot of issues when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: tiebreakers to make the playoffs as a wild card. So
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that it's off the mark for me
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  Speaker 2: to say this is the biggest game of their season
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  Speaker 2: and they're putting everything they have into it.
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  Speaker 3: And rightfully so because you drop back to 1-5 and
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  Speaker 3: then the analytics.
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  Speaker 1: Will tell you that they're not going to make it.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's only one team in NFL history that
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  Speaker 1: made the playoffs after starting 1-4, and that was the
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  Speaker 1: Chargers back in like 92, I think it was.
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  Speaker 2: The Chargers in 92. Bobby Ross and Stan Humphreys made
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  Speaker 2: it when they started 0-4. 0-4. They're the only team.
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  Speaker 1: That made it on four. So they made it, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But the Texans are in familiar territory. I think two
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  Speaker 3: years recently, last year in particular, they started out on three,
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  Speaker 3: and they were pretty good at the end. One of
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  Speaker 3: the best defenses in the National Football League.
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  Speaker 1: This is a.
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  Speaker 3: Great opportunity to not bury the Texans, but it's an
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to kick some dirt on top of them, if
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, you had the opportunity last year, if you recall.
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  Speaker 2: They were 3-5 and starting Davis Mills in November in Houston.
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  Speaker 2: You grabbed a big lead. You're up 29-10 at one
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  Speaker 2: point going into the fourth quarter. If you send them home, well,
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  Speaker 2: you go home because they were home that day. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: But if you send them home from the stadium, to
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  Speaker 2: be more specific, at 3-6... Well, you all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: you create a real problem for them. You had a
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  Speaker 2: chance last year. You didn't get it done. They won out.
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  Speaker 2: You had to win out to claim the division title.
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  Speaker 2: Now you have an opportunity this year to do it again.
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  Speaker 2: So my question to you is, is Liam Cohen playing
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  Speaker 2: that card, or is this just another game to him?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's another game to him, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he's playing the big picture card like
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say.
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  Speaker 3: But I think he's playing the card of division opponent,
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  Speaker 3: division rivalry. We don't like the Texans. Let's go back
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  Speaker 3: to last year and that. Let's talk about the games.
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  Speaker 3: And he's putting everything that he can into it. But
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he's talking about big picture because, you know,
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  Speaker 3: when you start looking at the big picture, then you
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  Speaker 3: start taking your eyes off of the prize, so to speak.
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  Speaker 3: That's right in front of you. And that's this game
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  Speaker 3: and this game only start worrying about. well, what happens
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  Speaker 3: down the road for you and down the road for
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  Speaker 3: the other team? No, it's just not worth wasting that energy.
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  Speaker 3: But to focus in on this game is an opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to beat them, get another win in the AFC, and
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  Speaker 3: to put distance between us and them in a division race, yes,
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  Speaker 3: but not the big picture of, hey, look, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to knock them out.
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  Speaker 2: So they're not looking any further than Sunday, but will
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  Speaker 2: he look back to last November and will he play
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  Speaker 2: the 19-point card?
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  Speaker 1: Why not?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you tell me, big boy. It's a rivalry game.
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  Speaker 3: You're always going to refer back to past games against
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  Speaker 3: a rival.
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  Speaker 2: So it's okay to go back. You just don't want
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  Speaker 2: to go too far forward.
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  Speaker 3: You don't want to go too far forward because then
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  Speaker 3: it gets convoluted, you know, the image.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 3: Liam does as good a job as anybody that I've
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  Speaker 3: ever seen when it comes to dialing in the attention
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  Speaker 3: of his football team. And I think that's one of
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  Speaker 3: the things that makes them really special. And you've got
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  Speaker 3: to keep it simple. Because if you don't keep it simple,
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  Speaker 3: then you have too many things, too many directions that
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  Speaker 3: you want to look.
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  Speaker 2: Can I give you a feeling I'm having right now?
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  Speaker 2: And I don't like to rely on feelings. Facts matter
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  Speaker 2: so much more than feelings. But there's this feeling that
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  Speaker 2: they are going to come in here, right, all riled
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  Speaker 2: up knowing the circumstances. Oh, there's no doubt. Where are
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  Speaker 2: the Jaguars coming off of that rollercoaster finish at the
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  Speaker 2: end where you go from feeling like you're this far
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  Speaker 2: off the ground to this far from the top of
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  Speaker 2: the stadium? I mean, all of a sudden, their emotions were...
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  Speaker 2: It was good. It went from terrible, awful week to
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  Speaker 2: unbelievable week. Can they match Houston very easily in terms
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  Speaker 2: of their intensity? Well... That's a fan thing to ask,
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  Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yes, because I think the Jaguars have done a
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  Speaker 3: really good job of being consistent with that as far
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  Speaker 3: as getting ready to play games. have they always been
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  Speaker 3: at their best every week?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: And look, if you go into this game against the
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  Speaker 3: Texans and you commit 13 penalties as a football team,
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  Speaker 3: you're going to have a hard time winning.
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  Speaker 2: They're the first team to win back-to-back games with at
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  Speaker 2: least 13 penalties since the Seahawks did it in 2011.
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  Speaker 3: So you have to have that honest conversation with yourself
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  Speaker 3: and with your team, and that's the one good thing
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  Speaker 3: that Liam.
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  Speaker 2: And his football team do.
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  Speaker 3: They have very honest conversations, and they're not afraid to
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  Speaker 3: have honest conversations with groups or with individuals, and you've
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  Speaker 3: got to get better from that standpoint. And if you
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  Speaker 3: play better, then you have a better chance of beating
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  Speaker 3: a really good opponent and a motivated opponent. And the
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  Speaker 3: reality is that, look, the Texans feel like they're.
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  Speaker 1: Back on track.
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  Speaker 3: Not that they beat anybody. I mean, they beat the
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  Speaker 3: Tennessee Titans, and I'm not trying to criticize them.
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  Speaker 2: They're on fire.
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  Speaker 1: Titans are struggling. Okay, struggling. And D'Amico Ryan's retained the
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  Speaker 1: play-calling duties for the Houston Texans to kind of do
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  Speaker 1: a little change-up, and they gave up the fewest points
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  Speaker 1: yet this.
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  Speaker 3: Year and only three. And so, yeah, they're going to
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  Speaker 3: be motivated. But, you know, look, the Jaguars are motivated, too.
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  Speaker 3: I think everybody's motivated. One other caveat is that you've
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  Speaker 3: got the bye week coming up. And as a player,
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  Speaker 3: how much do you want to win prior to a
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  Speaker 3: bye week? Oh, I mean, it's just like it's a
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  Speaker 3: huge difference winning and losing going into the bye. Because
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  Speaker 3: you've got two weeks to chew on it. You've got
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  Speaker 3: to chew on it for two weeks, and you don't
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  Speaker 3: want to chew on a loss. You want to chew
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  Speaker 3: on a victory. It tastes better.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does taste better.
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  Speaker 1: And it's more tender.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Kind of like that good steak that they had
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  Speaker 2: earlier today. Yeah, you pair it with a good wine
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  Speaker 2: and it's awesome. We've got a long way to go
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  Speaker 2: in this show. Don't even start talking about red meat
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  Speaker 2: and wine. The Texans are coming over here. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: even sure what day they're leaving.
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  Speaker 1: Here's one thing. Let me jump in right there because,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: Last year we had the conversation about the Rams, and
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  Speaker 3: then last week it was the conversation about the Eagles,
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  Speaker 3: and they're getting here on Saturday. They're going to play
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  Speaker 3: a game on Sunday. The reality is that good teams
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  Speaker 3: travel well no matter what the day of the week
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  Speaker 3: it is. And so I have a tendency to not
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  Speaker 3: put a lot of stock into that conversation about when
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  Speaker 3: a team travels. Because you could go on and on
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  Speaker 3: and on and on. Well, you know the Jaguars, they
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  Speaker 3: traveled last week on Thursday. They've been here all week.
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  Speaker 3: They're acclimated. Yeah, okay, whatever. But tell me what happens
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  Speaker 3: on game day. Is there any correlation necessarily?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at the correlation that historically
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  Speaker 3: gives you the most intel. How good was the team
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  Speaker 3: coming in? How good have they been historically? And that
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  Speaker 3: will tell you what the success typically is of a
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  Speaker 3: team that travels.
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  Speaker 2: So the whole idea of the Jaguars having some sort
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  Speaker 2: of an advantage being here, coming over here every year,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean, I've gained like 10 pounds, okay?
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  Speaker 3: And I've been eating bonbons and, you know, getting.
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  Speaker 1: Massages every other day. I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 3: But, I mean, look, I mean, the reality is that
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  Speaker 3: you could even look at it from that standpoint. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you're away from the friendly confines of home, and you're
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  Speaker 3: doing a lot of things that are different, and so
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily mean that that's a positive.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: You know, so I don't put too much into any
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  Speaker 3: of that. I will say that the Jaguars have all
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  Speaker 3: the comforts of home here, though, which is nice for
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  Speaker 3: me and you. You know, because, you know, what's good
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  Speaker 3: for me is good for me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen, thank you, Pete Prisco, for sharing that with
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  Speaker 2: us years ago. That obviously does matter here. And the
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars have had a good week at the Grove. I mean...
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  Speaker 2: This is where every team that comes to spend the
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  Speaker 2: week in London wants to stay.
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  Speaker 1: The weather's been great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We've got a lot of good work on the
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  Speaker 2: practice field. We were both out there earlier today.
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  Speaker 3: Your two main practice days are Wednesday and Thursday. Under
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  Speaker 3: Liam Cohn, Thursdays are your big practice day. You're in pads.
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  Speaker 1: On Wednesday, you're typically still kind of in that re-nourish, replenish,
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  Speaker 1: recuperative phase.
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  Speaker 3: Phase or whatever you want to call it. And then Thursday,
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  Speaker 3: they put the pads on. They have a very involved practice.
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  Speaker 3: And yesterday and today, the weather was fantastic. You couldn't
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  Speaker 3: have asked for better. The weather's supposed to stay good
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  Speaker 3: tomorrow as well, so you should have a great week
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  Speaker 3: of preparation. The forecast for Sunday seems to be pretty favorable.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's like a 20% chance of rain, but
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's probably every day in London.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a minute and a half before we're going
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  Speaker 2: to get a break, but can you tell based on watching,
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  Speaker 2: because they look crisp on the practice field today. I
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  Speaker 2: walked off, and somebody said, was it a good practice?
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  Speaker 2: And I said, well, I thought so. But do you
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  Speaker 2: ever really know? No.
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  Speaker 3: No, you don't, because, I mean, there's been practices that
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  Speaker 3: I've been a part of as a player, and I
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  Speaker 3: remember walking off the field.
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  Speaker 1: Going, we stunk. I mean, that was terrible.
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  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden Sunday rolls around, and
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  Speaker 3: you guys are flying around like crazy. And then you've
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  Speaker 3: had the opposite happen, you know, where you've had, three
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  Speaker 3: marvelous practices during the week, and then all of a
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  Speaker 3: sudden Sunday rolls around and you're like, what happened to
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  Speaker 3: those great practices we had? We played, like, terrible. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, so it's hard to look at something and say, look,
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  Speaker 3: they're ready to go. They're going to play really well.
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  Speaker 2: All right. You are listening to, and maybe if you're
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  Speaker 2: And welcome back. Jaguars happy hour, live from London, Brian Sexton,
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  Speaker 2: along with Jeff Lagerman. HQ follows at the top of
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  Speaker 2: the hour with Tony Buscelli and James Gladstone. So we
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  Speaker 2: gave you the first of our three big things, our
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  Speaker 2: topics for tonight's program. It was obviously the bullseye that
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  Speaker 2: the Texans are putting on this game and how the
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  Speaker 2: And Jeff, big thing too with, I called it line
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  Speaker 2: dancing because we've got the Texans coming in here. You
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  Speaker 2: get the little play on words, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Jaguars are having to make some adjustments. They, with
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  Speaker 2: Anton Harrison on the sidelines with a knee injury.
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  Speaker 1: And now on IR. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Going to be gone for at least the next month.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have to move Walker Little into the left tackle position.
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  Speaker 2: He's played there plenty before. Trevor talked about a familiarity
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: with him and a trust level that's there. Before we
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: talk about what is going to be, let's talk about
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: what they're losing in Anton Harrison. You burn the tape
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: up all the time. How well was he playing?
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: I think he was your best offensive lineman, to be
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: perfectly honest with you. I think him and Ezra were
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: probably playing at the highest level. Cole Van Lanna is
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: still trying to find his way back. But with Anton,
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: you had a level of comfort that you could put
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: him against a very good pass rusher and say, look,
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: he'll be okay. We don't need to give him any help.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: And with Walker Little, I don't think that you're going
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: to have that comfort level. And the reality is, in
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: this game coming up against the Texans, even if Anton
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: were available, you would be looking to give him help.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: But now with Walker, you're looking to give him more
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: help than Anton would have gotten.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Which means you're going to be taking it away from
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Colby and Landon on the other side, right?
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Not necessarily. I think you can actually provide help to
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: both guys. And here's how you accomplish that.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: You typically have tight ends and backs that can provide,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to do a word association here with you, okay?
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: All right. And think chip, monk, right? Wood chip, paint chip.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of chips.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: But the most valuable chip this week is going to
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: be a chip when you talk about Chipping those two
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: edge rushers for the Houston Texans.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I thought you meant the chocolate chips that are in
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: the cookies.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Those are good, too. Okay, those are really good, too.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: But Daniil Hunter and Anderson Jr. are two of the
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: premier ends, and it's probably the best duo of edge
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: rushers in the National Football League. And Will Anderson Jr.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: is leading the league in sacks with seven and a half.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: He had three. I think it was about in the
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: last five minutes of the game last week against the
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Tennessee Titans. And he is playing at a defensive MVP
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: in the league level.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Three sacks, five pressures. Hunter had one sack, six pressures.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Pardon me, seven pressures last week. So the two of
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: those guys combined, they'll wreak havoc.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're pretty good.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Their time to pressure is 2.48 seconds. Which is phenomenal.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, typically you'd like to be able to
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: get that. I mean, you'd feel good about time to
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: pressure probably somewhere in that 2.6, 2.7 and being really good,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: but they're even less than that. And, look, the Aguas
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: are going to have their hands full.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: So how do you help?
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: You've got a tight end that you can slow release,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: let him chip before he releases. You have a back
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: that can stay in, that can chip on his way out.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: In other words, if you get Daniil Hunter in, humming
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: up the field, and it happened to him, I think
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: it was two weeks ago when they played.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: It might have happened last week.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: You can take a running back and put the helmet
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: in the ribs, and then you can slow him down
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: for any time in the future.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe LaQuint Allen Jr. is the future back.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, I guarantee you five is going to be snapping
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: like a crazed dog at those two guys. And if
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: I'm laying, I'm intentionally putting five on the field and
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: going after those two guys. I mean, just early in
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: the game to send a message. Hey, look, we're going
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: to have our guys, and they're going to be looking
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: where you are every single play.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Do you remember we watched when Fred Taylor went after
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Simeon Rice? That was, what, 2004 perhaps? When Jack was
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the head coach.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: So that play, and I'm going to tell you exactly
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: what I remember about that play. Simeon Rice got one
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: in the ribs, and it was early in the game,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: and it was designed. OK, from the from that point on,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: if anybody even flashed in the in the periphery vision
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: of him, there was absolutely no will whatsoever to pass
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: rush from that point on.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I remember you pointing it out as we watch the
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: tape the next day.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: It was awesome.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: And wondering, listen, you're talking about 230 pounds. of Fred Taylor,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame caliber player. Can LaQuint Allen Jr. deliver
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: that kind of a blow? Well.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I think the mental fortitude of those two guys is.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: A little bit more than Simeon Rice.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: And look, Simeon Rice, great player.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: He was. Great player in his own right.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: More than 100 sacks.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: But these two guys, I think you're going to have
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: to repeatedly do it. One time is not going to
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: solve the problem. You've got to have to be consistent
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: with it. And it can't be just LeQuint.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: It's got to be Basial Tootin. It's got to be LeQuint.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: It's got to be.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Chris Rodriguez, it's got to be Brenton Strange, it's got
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: to be Borkershire. Everybody has to have a role. And here,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: even Jacoby Myers or Parker Washington before they release or
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: if they're lined up tight to get a little bump
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: on their way out. You've got to try to find
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: a way to slow those guys down.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to Walker Little. When we last saw him,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: he was playing in the Buccaneers joint scrimmage. And the
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: word after his day, was he looked really good. Now
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: he was playing right tackle.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: So what do you expect from him? Not having played
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the first couple of games until late in the Eagles game,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: what's fair to expect for a guy that we once
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: thought was the future franchise left tackle of this organization?
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that you expect him to play as
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: he has in the past. And you expect him to
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: play at a level that you feel good about. but
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: that you're not going to trust him completely to handle
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: anybody like that one-on-one. And, you know, that's just the reality. And, look,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: he's got 39 career starts. I believe 31 of them,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I think, or right around that number, has been starts
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: at left tackle. And so you feel confident. Look, he's
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: been there. He's done that. We were going to have
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: to help a little bit anyway. But I will say this.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: When you're getting ready to play a team like the
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Houston Texans– you're thinking a couple things. One, you want
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: to help the tackles, but the reality is you can't
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: help them all the time. So how do you help
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: that whole situation? Well, number one, your quarterback's got to
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: be on it. He's got to have great pocket presence.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: He's got to make quick decisions in the pocket, and
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: then you have to have the design of the offense
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: to get the.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Ball out maybe a little bit quicker. I was just
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: about to ask you about.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: The quick game.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: But the most important thing of all, because the Houston
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Texans are a little arrogant, and arrogance is not necessarily
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: a bad thing in this case because they've earned the
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: right to be arrogant. They play nickel defense against everybody.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people say, well, what does that mean? Well,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: they play nickel, which is five defensive backs and they
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: play five defensive backs, whether or not you have three
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: tight ends on the field, two tight ends or one
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: tight end and three wide receivers in a back, they
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: don't care. So, And the reality is that they're the
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: number three ranked defense in the National Football League, so
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: they're really good at stopping the run.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And they're arrogant because they've earned it. They play nickel,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and they stop the run at a high level. Who
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: does that? Not many teams in the National Football League.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: And I think you told me last year that the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: most impactful run defender on that team is not Al Shayer,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: though he's good, but Will Anderson Jr.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: He is a... about as well-rounded of a player.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: He's like Josh Heinz Allen, but he's another step or
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: two up.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just the reality.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to criticize Josh, because Josh, by
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: the way, had a monster game this past week.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: But they have a level of arrogance. But if you
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: can have your tight ends block defensive backs, because to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: stop the run in nickel, it's about having a safety
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: and or the nickel, which is Petrie, who's hurt, by
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Those guys, they have to insert to be as a
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: linebacker role. And if you block them, okay, with your
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: tight ends, then you should be able to be very
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: good against them running the football. And I think that
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: this is a game that Basial Tootin could finally break
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: out and go for over 100.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Really? That's my hope.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Hold on.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: That's my hope.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not guaranteeing that or anything, okay? But that's my
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: hope because if you do that and if you are
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: able to run the ball against that vaunted Texans defense
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: that runs a ton of nickel, then you're going to
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: be able to have great success. And, you know, I
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: just think that if you can do that, you not
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: only take the pressure off of, your pass protection, but
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: you also take the pressure off your quarterback. Literally, it
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: helps everybody out on the field if you can run
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: the football effectively.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: You all right? You going to make it? Hold on.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: We're just getting Brian recovered here with his little cough.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: You all right?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Nat. Yes, smart water. We appreciate you. Just
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a little.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Hopefully it's healing water.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I hope it does too. We're a spa, right? Just
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: a quick thought. The Jaguars are number one against the run.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: The Texans are number two. Three. Texans are three. Yeah.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: The Jaguars are giving up 2.9 yards per designed run,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: meaning it's not a quarterback scramble. The Texans are giving
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: up 3.3. And you're saying they do it nickel. They
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: do it nickel.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that that's the part that, you know,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: if you're a football junkie, That's hard to do.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And yet you think Basial Tootin can get to 100.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I think he can. Why? I think he absolutely can
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: because a couple things.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: One, I got a lot of respect for Borkisher and
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Brenton Strange as blockers.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: A lot of respect.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: And I am just enjoying watching the evolution of Basial Tootin.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: And I think he's just going to keep on getting
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: better and better as he has so far every week.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: It seems like this year that he's gotten better and better.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: And I think he's so incredibly close to having a
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: breakout game to where all of a sudden he hits
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: one for 50 yards. And if he hits one for
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: 50 yards and then hits another couple, you know, for
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: big plays in the game, then all of a sudden
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: the Houston Texans are going to be going, oh, you know, but.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: The answer to that also, they do have one response
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: if they start struggling in nickel. And then we saw this,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I think it was last year, and then we saw
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: it also in years prior. The Texans love playing a
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: five down front if they feel like they want to
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: play a lot of man behind it. So they'll put
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: five guys down up front with their hand in the
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: ground and just tell you right out of the gate,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: we're bringing five, try to block us, and we're going
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: to play man behind it and figure it out, and
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: they put it on the quarterback.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: So the quarterback has to be on his game.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: And that's why I went and I said, Trevor's got
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: to be great in the pocket. He's got to have
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: great pocket presence. He's got to make quick decisions. This
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: has got to be a Trevor Lawrence game. But if
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: you get Basial Tootin going, then everybody's going to have
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: a great day.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Just one more thought, and hopefully I don't cough up
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: my whole lung. Sorry to those of you who are listening,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: trying to hit the cough button here. Basial Tootin has
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: 350 yards rushing, just right around that number. 60% of those.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Come after contact.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Which is amazing.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: What does that tell you?
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: It just means that he's got great contact balance, number one.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: And he does a great job of finishing. And how
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: about last week? I mean, sitting there playing against the
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles and the referees blow the play dead on
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: one particular play where Basil Tootin still got his legs
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: going and ends up getting the first down. And the
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: officials were blown to death like his forward momentum was stopped.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: And it was not. You know, so.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: The officials better get used to calling a game where
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: you have 33-basal tootin' running the football because he gets
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: yards after contact.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: It's not like he's going to have some contact and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: then that's it.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: All right, let's break. The emergency room team is here,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: and we'll get this thing solved and get back to
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: our program with Big Thing 3. We'll call it a
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: rate increase when Jags happy hour continues on 1010XL, 92.5 FM,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: and all of the Jaguars. media channels. Back after this
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: on Jaguars Radio. And we are back. From London, Brian
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Sexton along with Jeff Lagerman here on Jag's Happy Hour.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: And one thing we will not have today is the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: UF Health Injury Report. I don't know about you, I
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: got that overnight because the Texans didn't have to release
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: theirs until 3.30pm. Houston time, six hours behind us. You
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: follow me, right? Right. So we're going to convey UF
• 28:40
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• 28:43
  Speaker 2: this week to Big Thing 3, right? Big Thing 1
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: was the bullseye that we think that the Texans are
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: putting on this game to save their season. Big Thing
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: 2 was line dancing the Jaguars, adjusting their line without
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Anton Harrison, and figuring out clever ways to make sure
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: that they shut down Will Anderson Jr. and Daniil Hunter
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: in shutdown is a very, very low bar because very
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: few people do that. Big thing three, Jeff, is rate increase.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: And you put me onto this on Monday when we
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: were talking because the Jaguars have really increased pressure. Not
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: necessarily blitzing, but pressure. And I think they came after
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts just about 40% of the time. How effective
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: was it?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Which was kind of low. I was expecting more.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It is more than that. It was 54.6%
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: of the time. It's 39, 40% of the time for
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the seasonal average. But for that one game, it was
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: just about 55% of the time. So how do you
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: expect them to attack C.J. Stroud?
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I think the amount of pressure that you brought
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: against the Philadelphia Eagles was kind of a– there was
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: two things for that. Number one, you've got 60% of
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: an offensive line that's new in one game. And then
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: name me a Philadelphia Eagles receiver from that past game
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: that scared.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: You.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Going into the game? Yeah. Cooper kind of got me,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: you know, with that big run he got afterwards.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Darius Cooper.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: You're saying one of them is not named Devonta Smith.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Is there a Devonta Smith?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Right. Hollywood Brown.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Nico Collins. I mean, does Hollywood Brown scare you? No.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: And he wasn't available anyway.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: And so that's kind of a result of, one, you've
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: got an offensive line that's in shambles, and then you
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: have a receiving core that doesn't scare you. Well, this
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: week it's a little bit different. Nico Collins, even though
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: watching the film on him, he doesn't appear to be
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: running like the Nico Collins of old because he's had
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: a hamstring injury. He's been on and off the report.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: You can tell that his speed has been affected. And
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Jr. is going to be there, but Marvin
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Harrison Jr., What does he have, five catches on the year?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not much.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I expect C.J. Stroud to look his way, though, in
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: this game.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Playing instinctual with a guy that he played college football with?
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Because of that, and because he's going to want to
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: get him involved right out of the gate, just because
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: that's his boy from college, and you want to end
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: up kind of showing, hey, look, I got a new toy,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: so you want to play with it a little bit.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: So I would not be surprised if he ends up
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: with four or five catches in the game.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I don't even remember him from the Jaguars game in
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Arizona last year. I don't even remember him as being
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: a player. We're talking about a top five pick.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: He was fourth overall, wasn't he?
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Two years ago?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We're talking about a super talented guy in college
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: that dominated the action that didn't even show up.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Well, and I don't want to criticize a player so
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: much in that situation because there have been a lot
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: of players that have been lost recently. In Arizona, there's
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: been a lot of players that have been lost in Cleveland.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: And so I'm not just ready just to say, well,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: he's not a good player. I'm not going to worry
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: about it. He hasn't been good at all. So I
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: think you have to have a level of respect for him.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: But what concerns me the most is the way that C.J.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Stroud is playing right now and the way that he
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: is protecting the ball.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: No interceptions and 185 dropbacks. Which is fantastic for him.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: And what I see on film, the last couple years,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: you could see that he was really struggling. You go
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: back to his rookie year. His rookie year was fantastic.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I think it was the highest rated rookie year, right,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: in NFL history or something like that?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Close to it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: And it was over 100 quarterback rating. And I remember
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: at the conclusion of that year, I was sitting there going, man,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: can we trade Trevor Lawrence for C.J.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Stroud? I mean, that's how good of a year he had. Obviously,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I wasn't in charge of that.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: You're not saying that now.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't make that trade for nothing right now. But,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the level that he played at his
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: rookie year. And it almost looks like that he's back
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: playing in that instinctual manner that he did in his
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: rookie season. The last couple years, it's almost been like,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: He's trying to think too much. Then they tried to
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: make him into something that he's not, that he's a
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: quarterback that's going to go through these progressions and this
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: and that.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: C.J.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Stroud is at his best when he is just reacting.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: He's got a gifted arm. I don't think like anybody
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: else in the business except for one guy, and that's
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. That's how C.J. Stroud can make some throws.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: No kidding. Under duress.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: There aren't a lot of people that would make that comparison.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Off schedule.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, he just has that natural ability to make
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: throws like that. And the one thing that you've got
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: to be able to do against him is to eliminate
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: his running game completely and then get them into the
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: second and long and third and long situations. And look,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I don't care if you're playing instinctual and you've got
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: a great set of receivers. It makes it very difficult
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: to play offense in those scenarios.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: They should be able to eliminate the running game. It's
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: one of the worst in the national football.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Got better last week, though. Mark's had a pretty good day.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: And it was, you know, going into the week, I
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: was like, well, you know, you look at the stats
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: of the Texans, you know, well, they're dismal at running
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: the ball. You don't have a lot of respect for
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: it just looking at the numbers. But then when you
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: turn on the film and you watch the Tennessee Titans, who,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: by the way, they got a guy by the name
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: of Jeffrey Simmons in the middle who's pretty good and
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: really good at stopping the run, the Texans actually did
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: a pretty good job of running the ball against Tennessee.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, you hope that that's not a trend.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: You're not going to completely ignore it, but you're going
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: to focus in and say, hey, look, let's eliminate that completely.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Then we can put all the attention on the quarterback
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: and receivers.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: All right, so what I noticed in looking at the
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: numbers is that when you send more than four pass
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: rushers at him.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: That's probably not good.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Well, his completion percentage is over 70. His yards per
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: attempt is nearly nine. When you just send four at him,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: His completion percentage is 43%, and his yards per attempt
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: is about 5.8. I mean, significant difference when you rush four.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: People might think, well, that sounds odd. Normally when you
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: send more pressure, the numbers go down. But with him,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: they go up.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: And I think that goes to that instinctual play that
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: he does a really good job at.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, he's bringing pressure. Now I just got to react. Oh,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: my gosh.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: And then he makes these throws that you just go, wow.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: You keep him in the pocket and make him go, okay,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: here's target one. Okay, it's not there. Then there's target two.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: That's not what he does best. And you can tell
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: that the Texans don't want him doing a lot of
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: that because just watch the number of times in this
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: game coming up against the Jaguars and see how many
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: times that they get C.J.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Stroud on the move. whether it's half rolls, naked bootlegs,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: read option quick passes, they always want him to be
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a threat with his legs and on the move. And
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I think for two reasons. One, they get him.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Kind of concentrating on a smaller area of the field,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: which is easier.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: For a quarterback.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: But then they don't trust their offensive line completely, and
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: for good reason. Now, they may be getting a little
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: bit better this week if Trent Brown is– Out of
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: the lineup, Braden Smith is inserted in at right tackle.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Braden Smith's a former Indianapolis Colt good football player. I
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: think that would help the Texans. They've tried to put
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: a lot of draft equity into that offensive line and
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: in free agency, and they're still trying to figure some
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: things out.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: We'll see. They definitely like to get C.J. Stroud moving around.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: If I told you that the Jaguars could not, under
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: any circumstances... Rush more than four, would you say that
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: they would have success? Yeah. That they can get the
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: job done?
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this week, yes.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this week, I absolutely wholeheartedly believe that they can
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: have success.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: And do you think that it's... Rushing four.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: The ends, we've seen, what, a half a sack from
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: 41 and 44 combined since opening day when we saw three.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: And to that, that's one of the reasons why I
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: mentioned about how well Josh Allen played earlier.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's no doubt that he plays hard.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: His time to pressure in last week's game, because that
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: was something that you talked about with the Texans, his
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: time to pressure was arguably the best.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: On the field.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I think the Jaguars team.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Behind Jalen Carter.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jalen Carter's different. I think the whole team last
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: week matched Houston. I think the Jaguars' time to pressure
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: against the Eagles was 2.48, which is... what Houston has
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to lead the league.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: And a lot of that was Josh.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: And so I think this is a, you know, every
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: week we talk in our broadcast and start prepping about guys,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: you know, who do we need to focus in on
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: and all that. You know, my defensive player to watch
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: is Josh Hines-Allen because, you know, first of all, he's
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: a marvelous player against the run. And a lot of
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: people sometimes don't want to appreciate Trayvon and Josh and
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: their abilities against the run because they're like.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I don't care, I just want to see sacks.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: But they're so good against the run, and I got
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: a high level of respect for that. And Josh this
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: past game was great against the run, and he was
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: great rushing the passer. Trayvon, I thought, had some moments
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: that he was dominant the last drive of the game
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: when the Eagles drove down the field and were able
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: to kick the go-ahead field goal.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Trayvon was fantastic. He just wasn't able to get home
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: because the ball was coming out a little bit too quick.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Coverage needed to be a little bit better. But I
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: think those two guys have an opportunity at really strong
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: games this week with that Texans offensive line.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: So you've got to win with four.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: But it's not like I feel as good about it
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: as the Texans feel about their two edge rushers against
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: our tackles.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Listen, any time you put those two guys out, you
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: have to feel confident that you have a matchup advantage.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Well, I hope, you know, I hope, and this is
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: a game that those guys have to have a significant game.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Because I think the stop and the run thing, and
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to say that it's a given, but
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I expect them to stop the run. Okay, now you
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: stop the run. Now what are you going to do?
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I think there's some things the Jaguars need to do
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: better in the back end. You know, you hope you
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: get Eric Murray back this week, which has helped tremendously
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: because you're.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they targeted the safety position last week, and they
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: got that long touchdown.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Rightfully so. And rightfully so. And we got very fortunate
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: that the long touchdown. ball didn't happen on that one
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: short yardage situation with the receiver.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Running by Jarrion.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: That was unusual.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: That was one of those moments where you just go, oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Thank goodness.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: To underline and highlight something you talked about, the Jaguars
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: run defense. They are the first team. since the Ravens
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: in 2019, to hold back-to-back opponents under 25 yards.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Which is crazy.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Rushing, and it's only the seventh time in the modern era,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl era, that that's happened. So this run
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: defense is performing at a historically high level right now.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: They haven't allowed a running back to gain more than
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: 75 yards against them in the last 23 games. We
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: used to talk about the Ravens, and I'm not trying
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: to make comparisons to the great Ravens teams that aren't earned,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: but those teams, I think, You're talking about getting into 30,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: 35 games where they didn't allow a 100-yard rusher. Right.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: So this Jaguars defense is performing at a pretty darn
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: good level right now.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've got a ways to go to kind
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: of be compared to that Ravens defense.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's why I'm saying, hold on. Don't take me
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: too literally here, but the Jaguars are reaching a point.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: They're doing a great job.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Where their run defense deserves.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: To be recognized.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: And we actually, me and you, were talking about this
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: a little bit today out there at the practice field.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The drill that they go through, it's like a
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: station drill. It's all tackling.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: And they literally, everybody on the entire defense, they don't
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: care who you are. Everybody's got to do it. When
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: I was in high school, we used to call this
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: every days. And we would have four different stations, and
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: it was more of a conditioning thing than it was
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: a tackling thing. But you would go, we'd have the
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: defense broken up or the whole team broken up into
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: four groups. And in this case, the Jaguars had the
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: defense broken up into four groups. mostly by positions, and
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: they go to each station and then do that for
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: a while, and everybody gets reps, and then they rotate
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: to the next station, and each station is doing something differently.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: One of them is tackling a bag head-on. Another one
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: is tackling like a running back bag from behind, and
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: you're landing on some padding so you don't hurt. Another
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: one is open field spacing and tackling. Another one is
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: coming in from behind, you know, working, getting the ball out,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: those kind of things, so This football team and Anthony Campanile,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: the defensive coordinator, they do a very good job of
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: making that a point of emphasis, and the old rule
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: of thumb is that you are what you emphasize applies here.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take a break. When we
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: come back, we'll talk about some X factors for Sunday's
• 41:54
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• 41:57
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• 42:00
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• 42:24
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• 42:31
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• 42:35
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• 42:36
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• 42:41
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• 42:42
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• 42:45
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• 43:02
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  Speaker 2: we flip it into Jags HQ at the top of
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: the hour. A couple of X factors. Right out of
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: the gate, Travis Hunter. I spent a lot of time
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: watching him on the practice field. I thought he had
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: a tremendous day. I get it. We talked about what
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: practice equals. But to watch him as he appears to
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: get more and more and more comfortable in doing what
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: he was put on this earth to do, play football,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: it's pretty exciting to watch.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just so athletic. It's really fun to watch.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: There's not many guys that I've ever watched that have
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: the type of athleticism, body control that he has. He
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: makes things look so effortless. The guys that typically make
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: it look effortless are usually the top level athletes.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: He's one of those guys.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Nico Collins comes in on the heels of five consecutive
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: 100-yard games.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I would love to see the jaguars just say hey.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: 12 you go cover 12 yeah because nico's 12 he
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: is yeah all right 12 cover 12 he covered him
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: last year briefly in week three right in jacksonville he
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: ran he nico ran 12 routes against travis he had
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: two catches for 23 yards which the reality is is
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: that uh When you've got great players, they're going to
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: get some.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: You just want to make sure that you minimize the damage.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: But, you know, we haven't seen the defense yet have
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Anthony Campanelli say, hey, look, we're going to take Travis
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: and we're going to travel him to the best guy.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: We have not seen that yet.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Is that a comfort level that you think camp has
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: to have with Travis or is that Travis having a
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: comfort level?
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I think it involves more than just Travis. I think
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: it involves Travis. I think it involves Jarrion. I think
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: it also involves Jordan Lewis. Because if you move one guy,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: it impacts everybody else. I would not be surprised because
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: the one thing that Jarrion is going to see moving forward,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: if Travis continues to stay as a wide field corner,
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: then Jarian is going to see a lot of attention
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: because a team can take their, their alignment and go, okay,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: we're going to put our best wide receiver to the boundary.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And we're going to put three wide receivers, whether that's
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: two wide receivers in a tight end or power combination
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: of skill players that you want out to the right.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: And it gives you more of a one-on-one opportunity to
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: the boundary against Jarian. So Jarian, Don't be a bit
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: surprised if all of a sudden Houston comes out of
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: the gate and puts Nico to the boundary, puts everybody
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: else to the right, and tries to let him work
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: on Jari in the entire game.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Another X-Factor is Eric Murray. And we talked about him
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: just briefly. But he didn't play in Houston last year.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: He had a neck.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a neck injury. And when he finally
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: got back into the lineup, the Jaguars took a significant
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: step forward late in the season, not having him on
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: the field last week. You could see it. He comes
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: back in this week against a team that he used
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: to play for. I think maybe there's a little X
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: factor there.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, I think you always have a
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: little motivation playing against a former team, but I think
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: he's been around the block long enough now and he's
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: got a few different areas he's traveled to that it's
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: not that significant. But getting him back in the high
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: level of communication that he has and the leadership that
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: he provides in the secondary and the performance level is
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: going to be a big help.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Knowledge more than motivation. He knows some of these guys.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he knows them. And then on top of that,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: he just makes the Jaguars secondary better. You just hope
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: that there's not any hesitancy coming back from the concussion
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: because he's been in the NFL concussion protocol.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: If you go back to last year– You can't convince
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: me otherwise, Loggie, that if they'd gotten one first down
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, just one, there wouldn't have been
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: enough time for the Texans to mount that come-from-behind win.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Just one. They couldn't get one. And one of the
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: reasons why, there was no Brenton Strange on the field.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: He's obviously playing really good football, targeted at least seven
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: times the last two games, coming through with big catches.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: As a receiver, he's playing really well. As a blocker,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: he's got to raise his level of play. OK, because
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I have extremely high expectations for Brenton Strange as a blocker.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I don't think that he
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: is playing his best as a blocker. There's a lot
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: of room for improvement. And if there was ever a
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: week for him to kind of find his groove as
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: a blocker, this would be it.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Any idea why? It's not an injury.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: It's just I mean, sometimes guys are just still trying
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: to find their groove.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: He's got to find his groove. But now he's at
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: times he's been really good. But Brent Strange is not good. OK,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: the Brent Strange that I know that I watch from
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: years past when he blocks, he's not just good. He's
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: the best there is. And I want to see the
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: best there is. When he takes a DB, a nickelback,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: or a safety and just buries them.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he shouldn't be an X-Factor if he's the best
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: there is.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: How many highlighted Brenton Strange blocks have you heard me
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  Speaker 3: talk about this year?
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: This year?
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  Speaker 1: This year.
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  Speaker 2: I can't think of one. There you go. And the
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: final X-Factor here in the last two minutes of this
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: show is whichever receiver.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Let me add something real quick to that.
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  Speaker 2: Go for it.
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  Speaker 1: You know who else needs a block better?
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  Speaker 2: Who?
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: We're being honest, right?
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: We're having honest conversations.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: That's what this team does. That's what we do. Parker Washington.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Needs to block better.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I was just about to bring his name up on
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: that category.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Look, phenomenal receiver.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Right? The clutch catches are amazing.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: But even the number one guy has to block.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: One of the things that Parker Washington separated himself from
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: the rest of the pack last year at level of
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: performance down the stretch was his ability to not only
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: be a big-time receiver and and develop into that, but
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: also the way he blocked. He needs to do better
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: in that category as well.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Since you chewed up about a half a minute at
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: the time that I was going to allot to another topic,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I want you to go quickly here. And that is
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: which receiver can take some of the heat off of
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Parker Washington?
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Josh Cameron.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, say that again.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Josh Cameron.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I like that answer.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I like it a lot.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: We were talking about getting Basho going, right? Yeah.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: And he's a great blocker. He's got strong hands. I
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: think he can provide a huge element in a win.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: All right, here you go. From Loggie's mouth to your ears,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: that is Jag's happy hour on a Thursday in London.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: But stay tuned, folks, because in a matter of just
• 50:05
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• 50:17
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• 50:18
  Speaker 2: you in hour number two.