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We can't trust these "SHIA" scholars! (Ft. Sayed Mahdi Modarresi) · After Maghrib 🌙

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  This Mullah Rahman Al Rahim Salaam Alaikum Rahatul Rakato
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  runs this and welcome back to AFTERMATH of this week.
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  We have a really interesting episode, in some ways explosive,
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  in some ways contemplative, but we're going to be talking about
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  different alternative views, some may say deviations that you
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  may find in modern day Islam. Now, these are opinions which
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  are held sometimes by scholars or by groups.
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  Some would describe themselves as shitty, some may not.
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  Some may say they follow an alternative path, a different
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  mindset, but what we're gonna do is we're gonna put these points
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  of view forward to what we would believe is a mainstream or
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  solely Amami 12/12, a scholar, and see what his points of view
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  are. So a couple of disclaimers
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  before we get into it. The first thing is that we are
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  just podcast hosts and we're not scholars.
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  So part of that means that our responsibility is to engage with
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  our respected guests, to ask him questions, and also at times to
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  play maybe a slight devil's advocate role, of course, while
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  trying to maintain our decorum and respect for the speakers.
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  We do have a lot of respect for him.
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  But also secondly, to encourage you at home to go home and
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  research to find truth, to find help.
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  Because ultimately it's our own personal beliefs which are
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  always on the line. We are always hearing different
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  points of view on social media, incentives.
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  And our responsibility is to have complete conviction, Iman
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  and Yakin in what we believe in, such that when we are faced with
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  different points of views, with arguments from friends, from
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  families, from peers, we know what to say.
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  We know how to defend ourselves and our religious belief system
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  as well. So some of these brothers,
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  sisters, we are going to just to kind of tease you in Charlotte
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  so you can stay till the end of the episode.
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  We're going to be talking about things like the birth of Imam
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  and Methi doesn't even exist. If he does exist, where is he
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  and what benefit is he to us? The Imams of the Alabet, Ali
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  Musalam, including our Holy Prophet Muhammad sallam, were
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  they error free in reality or did they, for example, miss a
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  prayer at times? Did they ever make mistakes?
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  Were they just righteous scholars?
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  Our Howser institutions, our munaja, are they free from sin
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  or do they make errors or in some cases, are they bad people
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  themselves? These are just a few of the
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  things we're going to talk about and put forward to our respected
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  guest before we introduce him. It gives me great honour as
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  always to be joined by my dear brother, said Ali Dada.
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  We slam, Aliakum said now. How are you bro?
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  At Hamdullah, how you keeping at?
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  Hamdullah, Hamdullah. These are, of course, still days
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  of mourning, days of commemoration, and it's an
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  important opportunity for us to continue to search for knowledge
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  and to continue to learn from the story of Abdullah Hussain
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  Ali Salaam while we are still in these blessed and sorrowful
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  days. I.
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  Sent and I think we owe it to them.
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  I think we also ourselves to be on the path of soccer, not to be
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  confused in this world of confusion.
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  And you mentioned so many discussion points that shallow
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  will get into and I'm like, I'm not exposed to half of these
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  things. So I need to be aware of what's
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  happening, what's been spreading around certain communities
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  within. I'm hearing between friends as
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  well. So I just need to be careful
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  about myself, about my family and those.
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  But I love closer and. Of course I'm looking forward
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  and joining us, our brothers, sisters, is not someone who is
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  unfamiliar to you, it's someone who's been on the aftermarket
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  podcast before and is always highly requested and they're
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  very respected, said Matthew Madarasi Salaam.
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  Alaikum, thank you so much for. For coming back to aftermarket
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  A. Pleasure.
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  Absolute pleasure. It's a great podcast and program
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  that apparently is now one of the most popular Shia Islamic
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  podcast anywhere in the world. So kudos to you both.
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  Masha, thank you. It's a great job.
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  We hope it's a benefit, inshallah there's people such as
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  yourselves who allow it to be a benefit.
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  By the way, I I love the fact that you shake hands every time
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  you introduce the podcast as if like you haven't seen each other
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  for for a few months. But it's it's nice.
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  It's nice. 2 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, I was looking for signs of like not being genuine, but no,
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  no, it really is. Pretty awesome.
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  Just love. It's pure love.
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  Have you said how's your time being in London?
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  And this is not your first or second.
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  It's probably a 50th time in London.
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  Wonderful. No, the, the, the thing about
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  London for me is that it's, it's become like a home away from
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  home. I know so many people and I
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  really enjoy the community, the vibes.
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  Obviously, I'm not talking about London as a city, but London as
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  a host for a wonderful community of believers who, especially in
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  Muharram, they really shine. And so it's it's one of my
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  favorite places to go to. So yeah, it's wonderful to be
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  back. Hamdallah, Hamdallah, I highly
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  encourage anyone at home to check out the Sade's series that
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  he's done both in the first ashalah and the second online.
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  It's been really beneficial and Hamdallah we had the the honour
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  to to attend a few of the Majalis.
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  I'm saying that I know this is something which is a passionate
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  topic to many now. People who are listening at home
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  will fall in different sides of the epistemological spectrum.
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  Some will be more spiritual, some will be more tafkiki.
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  You could say more akhbari or more asuli, but different people
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  have different points of view. I think maybe to kick off a
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  question about how to approach knowledge and where we gain
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  knowledge from as members of the community, Where should we be
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  seeking knowledge and and who should we be seeking that
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  knowledge from? Wow, a very pivotal question
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  which I think requires A dense response, but I'll do my best
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  and if I go over the time limit allocated to this question do do
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  let me know. But essentially the way I would
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  approach this would be to ask the question of what is the most
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  important thing for us as human beings living through this
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  transient life. And because we are Muslim, we
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  also believe in the afterlife. We believe that this life is
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  only a, a bridge that connects two different worlds in which we
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  are being tested and we have to we have to pass that test.
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  What would be the most important thing for us given our position?
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  And the answer is guidance and knowledge, right?
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  Everything else can can take a back seat.
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  I mean, people come in different shapes and sizes, different
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  ethnicities, different nationalities, different
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  families, different, you know, socio economic levels.
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  But at the end of the day, if the purpose of our life in this
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  world is to seek God and satisfy him and and make him pleased
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  with us, then the question that follows from that is, well, how.
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  And the how has been the subject of debate by, you know, millions
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  of, of scholars and godly men, ungodly men, religious leaders,
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  philosophers and whatnot for eons.
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  So how we derive that knowledge becomes absolutely critical to
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  our very survival in the next life, if not this one.
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  So what? Whatever happens here is
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  ultimately temporary and so doesn't really matter that much.
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  It's what happens to me in the next life.
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  And if I get it wrong, then this is a not just a grave risk, but
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  you know, it, it's it, it could determine whether or not I go to
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  heaven or hell. So where do we derive knowledge?
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  I think the prophets whose existence and whose connection
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  with God we acknowledge. And it's part of our faith to
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  accept not just our prophet, but all the previous revelations as
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  well. They've all been consistent on
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  this, that ultimately you have to follow the prophets guidance
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  and anything else, no matter how enticing, no matter how
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  interesting, is not going to lead you towards salvation.
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  So essentially what we need is revelation and our beliefs, our
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  values have to be based on revelation and grounded in the
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  teachings of these prophets and apostles.
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  Other aspects of our lives. We could refer to specialists
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  in, you know, whatever field that that we happen to need.
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  If I fall sick, I should go to the doctor.
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  And you know, doctors and other professionals in society, at
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  least now there is a mechanism by which they get accredited and
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  they get certified and they have to demonstrate their knowledge
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  and expertise in that field. But when it comes to religious
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  knowledge, you don't have a very clear definition of what
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  accreditation means. So we believe in God, we follow
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  him because of that. We believe in the prophets and
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  we follow them. Then the next question is, well,
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  what's our conduit to the prophets and how do we know what
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  the Prophet said? And so of course, you know, we
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  could delve into topics like hadith and the transmission of
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  hadith and authenticity and whatnot, But I want to give like
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  a broad, a broader response to that.
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  And it lies at a hadith of Imam al River Ali Salah to us.
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  Salam in which the Imam and there's context to it, but I
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  think that's irrelevant for for the purpose of our discussion.
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  The Imam says to someone one of his companions, and this is in
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  one of the one of the most authentic books compiled by a
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  Sheikh Sadouq specifically about the hadith of Imam Aliyah
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  Salaam. The Imam says whoever listens to
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  a speaker, they are worshipping the speaker.
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  Or perhaps the meaning is they're worshipping the subject
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  matter that the speaker is presenting them with, and
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  worship here means. They're taking it as gospels.
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  Exactly. They they will, they will obey
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  what they've been told because they take it as the gospel
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  truth, they take it as revelation, they take it as
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  something that they must follow. So the Imam then goes on to say
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  fame Khan and not the Quan Allah.
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  If that person is speaking with knowledge derived from
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  revelation from Allah Subhanahu to Allah Allah, then that person
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  is worshipping God when Khan and not the Quran is shaitaan.
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  And if the speaker is is motivated by desire and
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  temptation and Shaitaan is the one feeding him the information,
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  then that's what I'm worshiping. So we have to be really, really
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  careful who we take our knowledge from.
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  And then the Imam goes on to explain how you need to discern
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  and distinguish between a righteous speaker and someone
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  who is not. And so I think on a practical
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  level, this is something that we need to keep in mind, and not
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  just in the back of our minds, but really at the very forefront
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  when choosing who we listen to, who we learned from, whose
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  classes do we attend, and whose group do we become a member of.
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  Is this person someone who's bringing me closer to God or
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  away from God? And that usually isn't a very
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  difficult thing to figure out. But for some people who are
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  perhaps simple minded or don't put in the effort or don't have
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  the metrics to kind of measure whether this person is truthful
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  or or not, it becomes really confusing for them.
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  OK, All right. I think that sounds good.
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  With your permission said, we're going to start throwing some,
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  some some topics at you. And I think a lot of these will
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  be known or at least familiar to some at home who have kind of
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  been engaging on online discourse, who have been seeing
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  lectures about certain topics, who have been hearing speakers
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  come forward with alternative opinions.
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  Some of these are are New Age topics and some have been
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  debated since the beginning of the school of thought said.
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  And I know we've discussed this kind of behind the scenes, but
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  one of these is, is YouTube groups which have appeared,
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  groups which have a Bathia like mentality who sympathize, for
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  example, the enemies of the Alberta name of Salaam and of
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  course bring down maybe the status of the other base on home
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  Assam as per the the mainstream Shia point of view.
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  What do you reckon? No, that's very true because
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  there is this rise of I think what is known as Alamala bra,
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  this view, this concepts idea, and it's been presented by
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  people who are normal Shia listening will believe they
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  represent the method by the debates.
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  They don't see any differences. They don't read between the
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  lines. They just hear sounds good
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  sounds like they have a point, but what's the reality?
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  Because I can be confused say it and I I'm going to say it like
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  this Annie. I'm born as a Shia Hamdan.
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  I was raised a Shia. I I have the opportunity to
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  spend time with Shia scholars. I have the opportunity to I
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  would say the blessing not to be misguided and we believe on hack
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  and shallow. We'll remain on hack and die on
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  hack. But there comes a time where we
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  grow up. We are exposed to new ideas.
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  We are exposed to different speakings, different speakers,
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  different works, different theories.
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  I can say at times, and one of them is OK, we've grown up
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  knowing our imams. I'm awesome.
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  We've grown up knowing our imams, a Hodge of God on this
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  earth. We've grown up that they are
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  referees. And three, they are divinely
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  connected to Allah. They represent the message of
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  Islam. They represent us all Allah.
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  But now I've been told they're just a righteous scholar.
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  How do I as a Shiite, make sure that I'm not confused by this?
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  Because I know friends that are discussing this as saying maybe
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  that's right. How do I guide them and ensure I
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  protect myself and those listening at home and we don't
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  fall trapped to this nonsense. And I see it as nonsense because
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  you can't be Shia if you don't believe that they are, if
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  they're not, if they're not infallible.
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  Like these are cool principle foundational elements for us
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  all, the Shia. Is it?
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  And so just to add, is that actually something which is
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  outside of the fold of to share? So if I was to say, for example,
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  the Imams were not infallible, the Imams were just righteous
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  scholars, top scholars, righteous but not infallible,
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  does that take me outside of the fold of Shiism?
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  Absolutely. The reason for that is one of
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  the foundational tenets of our faith is that the Imams of the
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  Arab Eight were appointed by God #1 and #2 they.
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  It is binding upon us to obey their every command.
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  If you say that they were mere scholars, albeit high-ranking,
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  highly knowledgeable, astute in every way, then it it removes
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  them from being sort of in a position where you must obey
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  them, must obey them, right? Muftar ABBA as.
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  You put it. Yeah, so if you don't obey them,
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  you'll go to hell. Essentially.
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  If you don't obey them, you've disobeyed God.
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  If you say there were mere scholars and take away
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  infallibility or the fact that they were in our end, what
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  happens is if they're not infallible, it means that at
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  least some of their instructions could be fallible and therefore
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  wrong. And so how could it
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  simultaneously be that I must follow them, but that some of
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  their instructions are wrong? It just doesn't add up.
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  Logically speaking is wrong. But going back to the, to the
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  main question, which is that, you know, we, we see the rise of
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  tiny fringe groups like, let's not, let's not give them any
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  more credit than they than they deserve.
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  They like to think that they are gaining a lot of ground and
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  converting, you know, thousands of souls and whatnot.
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  But the reality is we know who they are.
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  You could see their WhatsApp groups and you could see their,
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  their YouTube channel. And, and, and you can see that
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  it's like, yeah, you know, it's a couple of dozen here and
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  there. But for me, the reason I feel
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  obligated to respond is #1 it's a falsehood.
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  And a falsehood requires a response.
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  And secondly, because every single soul matters.
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  And I don't want to see just like, you know, if I had a
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  friend who was like, influenced by these people, I wouldn't want
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  my friend to be swept away by this kind of nonsense.
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  And so to address the main problem, I think we need to look
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  at it like this. First of all, this whole
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  Cartesian approach of trying to start with doubt and then, you
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  know, develop my epistemology based on that is definitely
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  wrong. If you look at the Quran, if you
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  look at the Hadith, if you look at the in fact, you know by me,
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  by, by the mere faculty of intellect and rational thinking,
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  we know that people don't base their lives and their
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  epistemological system of beliefs on doubt.
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  They build it on certainty. You start with a solid bedrock
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  and then you'll build on that. If you start with doubt, then
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  you're, you know, soon enough you're going to doubt
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  everything, right? And we've seen people like that.
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  So start with, with the certainties.
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  The Quran speaks about the concept of Mocham and Mutashaab,
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  for example, right? The Mocham is the, the
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  definitive, the clear, the, the statements or the verses in the
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  Quran, which are are, you know, so transparent.
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  You know, pretty much anyone can understand them if they have a
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  like a basic level of Arabic comprehension.
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  If you come across a verse that is allegorical, that can have
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  multiple meanings that might be a little confusing, then what
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  you do is you, you refer to the allegorical verse back to the
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  definitive 1. So you build on the definitive
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  verse on that solid bedrock and then you bring this verse.
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  And what it does often times is that it takes away much of the
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  confusion. It may not clarify the meaning
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  of the verse definitively, but at the very least it'll remove
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  the areas of, or at least you know, many parts of the
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  confusion that that you had when you first read the allegorical
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  verse. And there are many examples of
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  that. I don't want to get into it, but
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  let's apply this principle to our beliefs.
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  So our beliefs are based on the oneness and the existence of a
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  loss upon. Then we get to the point where
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  Allah, Spano Ta'ala created us given His wisdom, given His
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  knowledge, given his sense of purpose, for lack of a better
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  term, in in creating the universe.
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  Surely there must be purpose for my life, and that purpose should
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  be communicated to me, right? I need to know what I'm supposed
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  to do. I need to know how to reach my
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  full potential and do the right thing.
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  So profits come into play and then the profits then have.
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  Individuals that are appointed by Allah Subhanahu to Allah once
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  again, because the role they play is more or less the same as
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  the role of the prophets minus the revelation, minus that
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  direct communication from Allah subhanahu to Allah.
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  But essentially what they're, what they're designed to do,
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  these successors, the imams, is that they provide a practical
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  application for the teachings of those prophets and guide the
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  nation and ensure that the nation doesn't go astray.
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  So if we apply this principle, what about the imams of the
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  Arabite? Are they infallible?
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  Are they prone to error? Do they forget?
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  And so on. And the response of Shiite
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  scholars for the last 14 centuries is that there's no
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  question. And I'm speaking about
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  mainstream Shia scholars. There might have been a few
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  fringe elements here and there because ultimately you have fake
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  impostors throughout the ages. I mean, the fact that we have a
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  bunch of clowns today, yeah, doesn't mean that this is a new
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  phenomenon, like it's been around for a long time.
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  Can I ask, sorry, just on that there are there these like let's
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  be real, a lot of the times these points of views comes from
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  people with an academic background or those who have
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  studied or sons of scholars or whatever it may be.
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  And these people, they find their beliefs based off
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  something tangible which they can use as a basis for that
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  deviation as some may call it. Now for example, we've seen
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  academic works in Iran which which push Olamal Abrar.
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  We've seen hadith in different books which say that for
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  example, Salaam Hamad sallallahu alayhi Salaam that there are at
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  least nine narrations that he missed a lot al fajr.
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  Or for example, Ibn Abiyat 4 who debated Allah bin hones at the
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  time of Omar Masadiq. And you may say that in that
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  narration, he devalued or lowered the, the, the maqam of
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  the Imam and the Imam accepted it.
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  Or for example, if I can add just one more say in the concept
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  of al Muqab that the Imam let's, let's, let's make it
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  contemporary, right? So we're in the season Muharram
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  Mustafar. If the Imams, if Imam al Hussein
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  al Islam had al Muqab, why would he send Muslim women Akhil to
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  Kufa? Why would he know?
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  Why would he, why would he go tell him to go and scout the
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  area if he knew what was to come right in in in the can I speak
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  to Imam al Mehdi? If I can speak to Imam al Mehdi
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  now, why couldn't Muslim speak to Imam al Hussain then and tell
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  him about the dangers to come? These are all arguments which
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  are put forward and and posed. OK, that's a lot I know A.
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  Lot of points to address there, so if I do forget to address any
• 22:55
  of them, do remind me. But just taking a step back for
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  a moment, I think it's critical that we employ the concept of
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  muta shabba being sort of evaluated by and clarified by
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  the Mocham. And so we have a Mocham.
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  We have a lot of Mocham, but one of them is this verse is is as
• 23:30
  clear as it gets. I mean, the power in the the the
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  entirety of the power of the Arabic language has been
• 23:39
  employed to explicitly imply that the imams of the Arabic are
• 23:47
  infallible. There's no question about it.
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  And Nama adapt, you read Allah. Allah wants to le again the
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  tokit. It's to emphasize something.
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  You're the heba ancomo rich Sir ehel bait wyuta helicom.
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  Allah has already said that he wants to remove impurities from
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  you. But once again, alas, Palatala
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  reiterates wyuta helicom, then he reiterates 1/3 time tahira.
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  So all of this put together, if this doesn't suggest
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  infallibility, I don't know what does.
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  And surely we know that this verse is not talking about
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  physical impurities because physical impurities come in
• 24:35
  contact with prophets and messengers all the time, right?
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  There's, there's blood, for example, in any battle, and that
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  blood is physically impure. So God isn't speaking about
• 24:46
  physical impurities or ritual impurities.
• 24:49
  He's speaking about what spiritual impurities, which are
• 24:53
  sins. Otherwise, what are spiritual
• 24:56
  impurities? Obviously there we're talking
• 24:58
  about sin. Now, all of this still doesn't
• 25:03
  prove the infallibility of the Alabama Salaam, but.
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  Could they not be infallible? Sorry to interrupt, You said.
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  Could they not be infallible purely on theology and Al Qaeda
• 25:12
  and preaching? That's not what the verse is
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  saying. The verse is absolute.
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  It's general. It's speaking so any and all
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  sins, right? And although forgetfulness is
• 25:31
  not a sin, but is it not an impurity?
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  Like for someone who was forgetful, wouldn't you think
• 25:37
  that's a flaw? It's a blemish.
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  It's a blemish, right? That's number one.
• 25:43
  Number two, look, broadly speaking, once again, I think
• 25:49
  exaggeration or Hulu as it's commonly referred to is the
• 25:53
  other side of the coin of taksir.
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  And so my personal belief is that many of the people who fall
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  into taksir meaning that they. Take away from.
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  They, they, they, yeah, they reduce the rank of the other
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  bait and they deny and reject some of their attributes and
• 26:16
  features and whatnot. Is a reaction to Hulu.
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  That's why you find more of these two extremes in certain
• 26:27
  societies than others, right? The more you have Hulu, the more
• 26:33
  you're going to have people who engage in Tarsir.
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  And that's not necessarily the case across the board.
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  So some countries where there's a more of a balance, where the
• 26:43
  view is more mainstream, it's more sort of in line with the
• 26:47
  truth of the matter and the reality of the Arubet Ali Hum
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  Salaam. You don't have these two
• 26:53
  extremes. But in some societies, and I
• 26:55
  don't think we need to name names, but there are communities
• 26:58
  and societies out there which suffer from one of these two,
• 27:02
  which inevitably leads to the other emerging as well as a
• 27:05
  reaction as a reaction to it, right.
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  So if you, if you grew up in a community, for example, where
• 27:11
  all you heard was like fava and miracles and things like that,
• 27:16
  which kind of start to verge into Hulu, or you assume that
• 27:22
  this is a form of Hulu, you're going to develop an autoimmune
• 27:27
  disorder in your brain that causes you to go to the other
• 27:33
  end of the extreme right. So that's kind of my, my, my
• 27:36
  sort of social analytical view of why we have these things.
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  But getting back to a reference that you both brought up, which
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  is Olama Abrah. So I think it's important that
• 27:49
  we address this because it's, it's funny how easy it is to
• 27:54
  dismiss this entire theory. So the term comes from a hadith
• 27:59
  where and one of his friends, Ibn Abiyafur at the time of Imam
• 28:07
  Sadhq Ali Salam, they get into a debate and the debate starts off
• 28:11
  like this. One says to the other that Olama
• 28:15
  O and be up. Sorry, I'll see O and be up.
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  The successors are prophets now. Just stopping here for a second,
• 28:24
  which successors? Who are we talking about?
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  Because the successors of many of the previous prophets were in
• 28:30
  fact prophets themselves. So in a way, the point he's
• 28:34
  making is not entirely wrong, right?
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  Unless you try to apply it to the imams of the Arabite who
• 28:40
  have consistently said that we are not prophets.
• 28:42
  Rasulullah himself has said he's the seal of the Prophets, he's
• 28:45
  the final messenger and he has said famously to Amir al
• 28:49
  Mumminin, Ya Ali and Tammini be Manzilati, Harun and Musa.
• 28:53
  You are to me like the rank or station of Harun to Musa Ilan
• 28:59
  hula nabiya badi, except that there is no prophet after me.
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  So if you apply this principle to all of the successors,
• 29:06
  including the imams, it becomes problematic.
• 29:08
  Otherwise by itself it's it's kind of factual.
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  The other says to him, no, Aloucia or Olama or Abrar,
• 29:19
  they're not prophets. They are righteous, godly,
• 29:22
  knowledgeable scholars, ulama scholars abroad, good people,
• 29:27
  right? And so some people have tried to
• 29:29
  kind of capture this and say that, oh, this means that the
• 29:34
  imams of the Arab 8 are not divinely appointed leaders for
• 29:39
  humanity, rather they're righteous scholars, really good
• 29:42
  people will respect them, but don't give them more than they
• 29:46
  deserve. So what happens is they come to
• 29:49
  an agreement that we should go and consult A mamasada al
• 29:51
  esalam. We might as well, right?
• 29:54
  So they go to the Imam. The hadith actually says, and I
• 29:57
  have it right here, actually, I looked it up, it says that when
• 30:01
  they went, so it was Ibn Abiyafoor who said LOCRO Olama
• 30:08
  abroad Atria said LOCRONBA. So when they went to see the
• 30:14
  Imam Al Philem, Mr. Carla Majlis Suhoma, the narrator of the
• 30:18
  hadith says that when they sat down, they settled Bada Bada
• 30:23
  Ahoma Abu Abdullah, the Imam initiated the conversation
• 30:29
  addressing the two of them for Kaliya ABBA Abdullah.
• 30:33
  ABBA Abdullah is in reference to Muallabni Kunis, that was Kuniya
• 30:38
  Abraham Mankhala in Ambiya. I seek refuge, meaning an Allah,
• 30:44
  from those people who say we are prophets because there were
• 30:47
  people who would make this claim, Abu Khabab and others,
• 30:50
  they made claims similar to these.
• 30:54
  Now those who have tried to capitalize on this hadith and
• 30:58
  use it to their advantage, they miss a key point.
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  If the Imams are obviously. By the way, the Imam didn't
• 31:08
  really elaborate much. He simply said we're not
• 31:10
  prophets, right? Did he say that we are merely
• 31:14
  righteous scholars? No, he simply rejected one of
• 31:19
  the sides of the argument. Did you not go further than
• 31:21
  that? And no, no, no, no.
• 31:23
  No, no, no he didn't, OK #1 the Imam didn't adopt the opposing
• 31:30
  view, he simply rejected this one, right #2 And more
• 31:35
  importantly, if the Imams are simply righteous, godly, pious
• 31:39
  scholars and nothing more, how did the Imam what they were
• 31:43
  talking about to begin with? Because the hadith specifically
• 31:47
  says when they sat down, the Imam beda a homa, he started, he
• 31:52
  initiated the conversation and said something that proved the
• 31:57
  Imam knew what they were talking about.
• 32:00
  They weren't in front of him, they were outside, they were
• 32:03
  somewhere else, they came. Which debunks the whole theory,
• 32:07
  completely dismantles it and it proves that the Imam has what?
• 32:12
  Knowledge of the unseen knowledge of a conversation
• 32:15
  between two people in a private setting?
• 32:17
  But the Imam knew all about it. How so?
• 32:21
  In a way, the Imam is rejecting the notion that they are
• 32:24
  prophets, but at the same time he's not adopting the idea that
• 32:28
  we are merely righteous scholars.
• 32:31
  They have knowledge of the unseen.
• 32:32
  They were divinely appointed. As I said, the divine
• 32:36
  appointment of the Imams is the very foundation of our faith.
• 32:40
  If someone rejects that, they're rejecting Emira Mukhmani being
• 32:44
  appointed as the successor of Rasulullah, which is proved and
• 32:50
  established by verses in the Quran, as well as the Hadith
• 32:53
  corpus, as well as Hadith Radir and others.
• 32:57
  If you reject the divine appointment of the Imams, you're
• 33:00
  absolutely not a Shia. You can call yourself whatever
• 33:03
  you want. So you feel like this, this
• 33:06
  whole idea of Allahabad is like initiated somewhere was inspired
• 33:10
  by Sunni Islam, for example, when they use a similar
• 33:13
  argument. That exactly the Sunnis say
• 33:16
  this. The Sunni community views the
• 33:19
  Arabic as what? As really good people,
• 33:22
  righteous, pious, knowledgeable, right?
• 33:25
  They put them in the same brackets of as the Abu Hanifa
• 33:27
  and and so on for that. Reason.
• 33:29
  Yeah, so, so so basically the the disagreement between the two
• 33:34
  major sects within Islam is about the obedience of the Arab
• 33:40
  8 and that it's binding, it is obligatory and there's no ifs or
• 33:45
  buts about it. If you remove this, I don't know
• 33:47
  what you are. So just just kind of as a little
• 33:51
  breather for those at home because we've got so many things
• 33:54
  to talk about and I, I think we could spend a few hours just on
• 33:57
  this. I have a lot of questions about
• 33:59
  Ilmel and Rabe and Ilmel, Rabe and a lot of other stuff, but I
• 34:03
  think for the sake of. By the way, can I say one more
• 34:06
  thing? Just.
• 34:08
  To sort of, I'm sorry, wrap up the point about what I'm talking
• 34:11
  about. Sorry if you could also mention
• 34:12
  that Imam Hussain and Muslim staying in the communication
• 34:15
  with the MI. Sure.
• 34:16
  So one more point I want to mention is that a few years ago,
• 34:20
  about 3 or 4 years ago, you know, that this fringe group
• 34:25
  started, you know, saying stuff like that and trying to push the
• 34:29
  Olama Abrar narrative. And at the time I responded to
• 34:33
  them in a in a series of videos called Debunking Doubt.
• 34:38
  And I remember towards the end, so maybe it was like episode 7
• 34:42
  or 6, I, I brought up the hadith and I addressed this point and
• 34:47
  I'm like, how did the Imam know then if he's simply a righteous
• 34:50
  scholar, which makes him pretty much like you and I or any of
• 34:54
  the that we have who don't have knowledge of the unseen.
• 34:58
  And the group and its leader never responded to this.
• 35:01
  They've churned out dozens of videos since then, right?
• 35:06
  Some of them defamatory, derogatory, absolutely
• 35:10
  disgusting in the language they use against not just me but like
• 35:13
  senior Ulama and Maraja. But they've avoided addressing
• 35:17
  this specific point because they have no answer.
• 35:20
  As for Imam and Hussein sending Muslim, I mean that's like
• 35:24
  saying why did God send all these prophets who ended up
• 35:31
  getting killed by their people. I mean we don't question a loss
• 35:36
  of Hana Utah Allah or his vice Germans.
• 35:39
  See once you establish the imams as being divinely appointed, you
• 35:42
  don't subject them to any questioning.
• 35:45
  You know that their every action is guided by a loss of Hana Utah
• 35:51
  Allah and knowledge that's been given to them by Allah through
• 35:54
  the Prophet. End of discussion.
• 35:57
  Otherwise, this was the problem with so many Muslims in the time
• 36:00
  of Imam Hassan and later Imam Hussein.
• 36:03
  When Imam Hassan signed the truce with Moawiya, how did most
• 36:08
  people around him react to that? They're like, how could you do
• 36:12
  this? Moawiya, his people, these are
• 36:14
  treacherous. These are, you know, people who
• 36:19
  who don't subscribe to religion. They are the worst forms of
• 36:24
  evil, right? How could you sign a truce with
• 36:26
  them? And Imam hasn't had to remind
• 36:29
  each and every single one of them.
• 36:31
  Haven't you heard Rasulullah saying al Hassan, al Hussein,
• 36:34
  Imaman Kama, al Qaeda? We are Imams, meaning divinely
• 36:40
  appointed leaders, whether we choose to rise or we choose to
• 36:45
  not rise and sit it out and sign a treaty or whatever it is,
• 36:50
  right? You must obey them.
• 36:52
  You must follow them. And then later when Imam and
• 36:55
  Hussein Ali as Salaam, shockingly enough, when the Imam
• 36:59
  tried to rise, it was the same group of people who were like,
• 37:03
  why are you doing this? You're going to get yourself
• 37:05
  killed and whatnot because you can make the same argument about
• 37:08
  Imam Hussein and why he chose to go towards Kufa Salamullah when
• 37:13
  he knew. And I, I've made this argument
• 37:15
  in, in many of my talks, when I say that you think the people
• 37:20
  who advised Imam Hussein not to go to Karbala, you think they
• 37:24
  were smarter than Imam Al Hussein, you think they knew
• 37:26
  something Imam Al Hussein didn't know.
• 37:28
  Of course he knew. He knew this was going to end in
• 37:32
  the way that it did. In fact, he openly spoke about
• 37:35
  it, right? He said can he be al sali to cut
• 37:38
  the oha Aslan al followat Bain and Bain and nawawi swa karbala.
• 37:44
  I, I, I am. I can see my flesh being
• 37:48
  dismembered by the wolves of the desert at this specific
• 37:51
  location. Wama O lahani Allah aslafi.
• 37:56
  I am so eager to meet my predecessors and my ancestors.
• 37:59
  HTR Kayakob Elah Yousaf, the imam, knew.
• 38:03
  The Imam said that whoever joins me is going to get killed.
• 38:06
  So he knew all of that and he knew what would happen to Muslim
• 38:10
  women. It was a mission he was on, and
• 38:12
  it had to happen in exactly the same way that it did because it
• 38:16
  was part of God's divine plan. OK, OK, so.
• 38:21
  Say the Viking just asked, you know, I mean, we there there is
• 38:24
  also now a new I say thing being pushed a new narrative that's
• 38:28
  also coming in is that there's no doubt that the Imam of our
• 38:32
  time, my Allah Hastings reappearance was even born.
• 38:36
  And I we've come across certain mouthpieces that speak on behalf
• 38:41
  of this Ahmed Al Khatib, who's written a book and dismissing
• 38:45
  the hadith that say that Imam was born, such as the one would
• 38:50
  say the Hakima and the likes. And he claims that he uses Rajal
• 38:54
  and using, you know, say the Hoee and things like this to
• 38:57
  back his opinion that the Imam does not exist.
• 39:01
  How do you counter that for me when I read it as someone who
• 39:04
  has again, as I said in the beginning, I'm Shia Hamdallah.
• 39:06
  I've been said, I've been told what's right, what's wrong.
• 39:09
  I've done research what what to ensure what's my foundations?
• 39:13
  What's the core principle of not, you know, being misled to
• 39:16
  these things. For me, I would say the simple
• 39:18
  hadith of the one who dies without knowing the Imam of this
• 39:21
  time dies, that one that's considered ignorant.
• 39:24
  That's on a basic level. But how do you respond to these
• 39:26
  people who are really muddying the waters for the Shia layman
• 39:30
  out there? I I especially like how you
• 39:35
  ended that question. They're muddying the waters.
• 39:38
  They're trying to confuse the masses because if they were
• 39:42
  looking for the truth, they'd know that there's not a morsel
• 39:46
  of truth in their arguments. We know the Imam was born based
• 39:53
  on eyewitness testimonies of people who were invited by Imam
• 39:59
  al Hassan al Askari, Salaam Alayhi to meet the Imam.
• 40:04
  You mentioned say the hakima, for example, that's one hadith
• 40:10
  that is from the from inside the House of Imam al Hassan al
• 40:15
  Askari. And, you know, you can debate
• 40:18
  whether or not that's, you know, authentic, but.
• 40:22
  If you if you put all the pieces of the puzzle together, the the
• 40:28
  truth is so clear, it's clear as daylight.
• 40:31
  We have dozens upon dozens of people who who at various
• 40:37
  different points in the five years before the Imam went into
• 40:42
  occultation, who came and Imam al Hassan Askari Ali Salaam
• 40:46
  would say, this is your Imam after me.
• 40:51
  This is my son. Look at his facial features,
• 40:55
  look at you know what he looks like.
• 40:58
  On some occasions the Imam would give Imam, for example, would
• 41:05
  give one of them a ring and and then later on would send after
• 41:11
  him because he got a little confused because Jafar, his
• 41:14
  uncle claimed to be the Imam and he would say bring the ring
• 41:17
  back, which I gave you and he would then be taken to meet the
• 41:21
  Imam during the occultation. Dozens of testimonies and that's
• 41:26
  still not enough. I mean, honestly, anyone who
• 41:30
  denies the birth of the Imam, I would say to them, I don't have
• 41:36
  100th the evidence that I have about the birth of Imam al
• 41:41
  Mahdi, about you being your father's son.
• 41:45
  And yet for some reason I'm expected to just accept that
• 41:47
  your, your father's son, that you are of a legitimate birth.
• 41:50
  Fine. I mean, I'll give you the
• 41:51
  benefit of the doubt. But seriously, with all of the
• 41:55
  testimonies, with all of those hadith, many of which are
• 42:00
  absolutely authentic, even according to the strictest
• 42:05
  Rijali methodology, I mean, you mentioned said Hoi, for example.
• 42:09
  I think it's hilarious that they used said Al Hoy's methodology
• 42:12
  to dismiss all of these hadith and yet said Al Hoy himself
• 42:15
  believed in the Imam or not. But I think the issue is not
• 42:18
  that Said Al Hoy didn't believe the Imam existed, but that the
• 42:21
  methodology, the Rajali methodology used by Said Al Hoy
• 42:25
  cannot prove indefinitely that the Imam 100% was born.
• 42:31
  Not that he most likely was born, but it couldn't definitely
• 42:35
  be proved. And I think other things as
• 42:37
  well, which some of these people use is, for example, we know
• 42:40
  Salaam Muhammad sallallahu alaihi Salaam had a hadith about
• 42:43
  the 12 leaders after him. We've seen all of the Imams
• 42:46
  mentioned about the coming of the Imam Al Mehthi, Imam masala.
• 42:49
  How many times you've seen even Imam al Asqari, the father of
• 42:52
  the Imam. Despite all of that, the
• 42:55
  majority of the Shia at the time did follow Jafar al Khabab.
• 42:59
  And if the Imam, if people were still following Jaffna kebab,
• 43:03
  knowing that the Imam's going into occultation, was it truly
• 43:05
  known? Was it truly understood by the
• 43:08
  Shia? Even in an underground network
• 43:10
  or even in a private and an intimate environment?
• 43:13
  Did people actually genuinely believe it if they did follow
• 43:17
  someone else who was from the family of the Imams?
• 43:20
  OK, first of all, we know 1000% that Imam Mehdi was born based
• 43:26
  on those testimonies of incredibly pious and and
• 43:32
  truthful and good companions who had demonstrated their faith and
• 43:38
  devotion to Imam al Hassan al Askari al Salaam time and time
• 43:43
  again. And that should be more than
• 43:45
  enough. If I have two people saying that
• 43:47
  the Imam was born, that would be more than enough for me, let
• 43:49
  alone dozens, let alone almost 50 people who actually came and
• 43:54
  said we saw him, we witnessed him, we saw the boy when he was
• 44:00
  young and Imam al Hassan Oscar, he presented him to us.
• 44:03
  That's number one. Number two, the fact that some
• 44:07
  people follow Jafar al Qadab proves absolutely nothing.
• 44:11
  That's like saying, why is it if God's existence is so clear, why
• 44:17
  is it that we have so many atheists in the world?
• 44:19
  Of course there are going to be people who either out of
• 44:22
  ignorance or out of sheer, you know, arrogance, are going to
• 44:28
  reject the truth. That's number one.
• 44:30
  Number two, you need to remember that in the time of Imam Al
• 44:35
  Hassan Askari Ali Salaam himself, the Imam had to
• 44:38
  practice Takia. That's why the birth of Imam al
• 44:41
  Mehdi Sharif had to be concealed, right?
• 44:48
  So the, the, the concealment of his birth was part of the reason
• 44:54
  that the, the, the government at the time had intensified its
• 45:00
  efforts to try and get to the Mahdi before he escapes their
• 45:06
  their claws. And we have plenty of evidence
• 45:10
  to show that they were getting increasingly worried that the
• 45:14
  12th Imam was about to come. They knew Imam Hassan Askari al
• 45:17
  Salaam. He's the 11th Imam.
• 45:19
  So surely the 12th month, based on all of those prophetic hadith
• 45:23
  about the 12 Imams, the 12th 1 is about to come.
• 45:26
  So you can imagine, or maybe just just try, try and imagine
• 45:31
  the amount of pressure, surveillance, and sheer terror
• 45:37
  that the family of Imam Hassan Askari had to face at that time.
• 45:41
  So trying to conceal it was part of the, the, the plan to protect
• 45:47
  the imam #1 #2 when the birth of the Imam is concealed.
• 45:53
  But then he's shown afterwards to 50 people of the top caliber
• 45:59
  scholars. Shouldn't that be enough?
• 46:02
  Then you say that some people follow Jaffa.
• 46:05
  Sure, some people did follow Jaffa because they were either
• 46:08
  ignorant or arrogant. But does that mean that it
• 46:11
  didn't happen? Absolutely not.
• 46:12
  Just like the atheism example that I provided.
• 46:15
  And so later on, you know, you might find this interesting
• 46:18
  actually, that Jaffa, despite claiming to be the Imam and
• 46:22
  despite receiving scathing critiques from Imam al Mahdi
• 46:27
  himself later on, who wrote letters addressed to the Shia
• 46:32
  warning them about Jafar and trying to sort of create some
• 46:35
  balance and make the people more aware.
• 46:39
  Despite that he had a lot of children and a lot of lot of
• 46:43
  offspring, his children, his grandchildren.
• 46:46
  So he created a bit of a tribe for himself.
• 46:48
  And yet in the time of Sheikh Al Mufid, someone asks the Sheikh
• 46:53
  about Jafar and whether he was a person worthy of praise or us
• 46:58
  cursing him. Was he good?
• 47:00
  Was he bad? Was this like all a show?
• 47:02
  And so Sheikh Al Mufid responds by saying, look, let's not talk
• 47:05
  too much about this because even his descendants are now 12 or
• 47:09
  Shia. So it didn't catch.
• 47:12
  It didn't catch on. It didn't catch on.
• 47:15
  He tried again without trying to evaluate Jaffa's personality,
• 47:21
  but it didn't catch on. And now we see it.
• 47:24
  Now, you know the 12 or Shia community worldwide is comprised
• 47:28
  of hundreds of millions of people and they all believe in
• 47:31
  12 imams until some clown comes out of somewhere, you know, God
• 47:36
  knows where. I don't want to mention names.
• 47:38
  And he says that this is all a fabrication or the guy you
• 47:41
  mentioned in London, this is all a fabrication.
• 47:44
  It's a concoction. The the four emissaries made it
• 47:46
  up and things I. Was going to say said on that
• 47:48
  point on the Sephora, because you could argue that they are 4
• 47:54
  fallible scholars, righteous scholars, but 4 scholars at the
• 47:58
  time of the the habit of Sehra, which we are resting all of our
• 48:02
  laurels on our whole to show you everything we believe in.
• 48:07
  You could point back to being on the back of the Tope art between
• 48:11
  the Safara and the Imam Ali Saddam.
• 48:13
  And for example, we've seen in the in the talk art themselves,
• 48:16
  Imam and Mehdi will curse Ashan Ashan Mahani, for example, will
• 48:19
  curse different scholars. And we've seen that the
• 48:23
  scholarly world itself is not free or safe from criticism, if
• 48:28
  that at most maybe even curse from the Imam himself.
• 48:33
  So can we not argue that what could the could the alternative,
• 48:36
  the deviance, the enemies of the Aliabeta name Osama and their
• 48:38
  followers, Could they not argue that your whole belief system
• 48:42
  rests on the back of four guys and them not colluding with each
• 48:47
  other to come up with this, you know, concocted idea of, of an
• 48:51
  infallible mystical figure who's nowhere to be seen?
• 48:54
  Could we not say that from from a different perspective?
• 48:57
  First of all, our religion is not centered around the four
• 49:01
  emissaries of Imam Zuma. Far from our religion is based
• 49:05
  and grounded on the Quran and the Hadith, the son of the Holy
• 49:09
  Prophet and the Hadith corpus attributed to the Arabite Ali
• 49:12
  Musalam through a very, very solid chain including the what's
• 49:17
  called El Osor Alabama. And so to suggest or to think
• 49:22
  that it was the four so Farah or emissaries of Imam and Zaman
• 49:26
  that basically gave us most of our articles of belief that is
• 49:32
  that is just not factual. It's just not true.
• 49:37
  What the four emissaries did, I think was more of an
• 49:41
  administrative role. They, they guided the community
• 49:46
  through a very rough patch, very difficult time of facing a whole
• 49:54
  new reality where they don't have access to their Imam,
• 49:58
  right? And so they were indispensable
• 50:02
  in the sense that at least there was some indirect means of
• 50:05
  communication with the Imam through them #1 #2 they helped
• 50:12
  through those, you know, communicates with the Imam to
• 50:16
  try and quell some of the sources of discord and fitna.
• 50:20
  You mentioned Ashalmarani and others.
• 50:23
  And so where individuals try to take advantage of this vacuum
• 50:28
  that's created by our inability to access the Imam directly,
• 50:33
  they helped communicate messages from the Imam to try and sort
• 50:37
  of, you know, subdue the impact of those of those as fitna.
• 50:43
  And #3 they helped manage the affairs of the community.
• 50:47
  They helped provide guidance to try and help them sort of reach
• 50:53
  safe shores and become acclimated to this new reality
• 50:58
  where in the absence of the Imam, what do we do?
• 51:01
  Do we panic? Do we just run amok and not know
• 51:05
  what to do or do we try and stick to the basics and hold on
• 51:09
  to our foundations and do this for the long run because we're
• 51:13
  waiting for the Imam to return. So number one, that's just not
• 51:17
  true that the four emissaries are are conduit to our faith and
• 51:22
  our beliefs. And #2 you need to remember that
• 51:28
  even our belief in Imam and Mehdi himself is not based on
• 51:34
  the teachings of the four emissaries.
• 51:36
  As I said, there were eyewitnesses #1 #2 We have a
• 51:39
  hadith, and I wanted to mention this earlier when you made that
• 51:43
  point about the hadith of the Prophet about the 12 imams.
• 51:47
  One book that I highly recommend the dear viewers watch to read
• 51:52
  rather is a book by Grand Ayatollah Shehsafi Gulpaigani,
• 51:57
  The Late who was one of the most preeminent students of Sedro
• 52:05
  Boujardi and later became a murderer and died only a few
• 52:09
  years ago. He has a book which has a whole
• 52:12
  back story that I won't get into, but the book is called
• 52:15
  Muntechable Atharfi Akwal Imam Athani Asha, and the English
• 52:21
  version I think comes in three volumes and it's called Selected
• 52:24
  Narrations about the 12th Imam. When you read that book, you'll
• 52:28
  realize just how ignorant we are.
• 52:31
  We think that Rasul Allah said Al Amatumenbadi, if now I shall
• 52:36
  call humman Quraish. What we don't know is, is that
• 52:39
  Rasul Allah has dozens upon dozens of a hadith in which not
• 52:44
  only did he stress the fact that there is going to be 12 Imams
• 52:49
  after him, but he named them. He mentions them by name and he
• 52:54
  says that this the, the you know, this is the first Imam,
• 52:58
  then his son, then his son, then his son all the way to Imam al
• 53:02
  Askari Ali Hassam, which means that Imam al Mahdi is the son of
• 53:06
  Imam al Hassan al Askari, which debunks the idea that the Imam
• 53:09
  wasn't born and will be born at some future.
• 53:12
  Date can I interrupt with your permission?
• 53:14
  But what if I'm not mistaken that hadith I, I we've
• 53:17
  referenced the Ahmadi religion of peace and light, the guys
• 53:21
  with the beanies in the previous episode and they had a response
• 53:24
  to us. But I don't want to spend a
• 53:26
  segment on them, but just a question off the back of
• 53:28
  something they portray or they put forward.
• 53:31
  They use that hadith. I'm not sure because I haven't
• 53:33
  seen the origin. It's, by the way, it's not that
• 53:35
  hadith. Oh, is it?
• 53:36
  No. Use the hadith where they
• 53:37
  mentioned the 12 and. They say that there's, so they
• 53:39
  use the hadith mentioned by Sheikh Atosi and his rabe in
• 53:45
  which so again the Prophet named the Imams 1 by 1 and so many a
• 53:52
  hadith on so many different occasions.
• 53:55
  One of them is the hadith that Shekhar Tosi mentioned.
• 53:58
  So very quickly, yeah, very quickly.
• 54:00
  What it says is, and I recently wrote a whole article about this
• 54:05
  on these false Maddie's or YouTube Maddie's I call them.
• 54:08
  Recycling that. Sub stack it's on sub stack so
• 54:12
  say it mahdimudarasi.substack.com or
• 54:15
  something. So the hadith is like this.
• 54:19
  Rasool Allah on his deathbed says Sallallahu.
• 54:24
  He says to Amiral Mumminin that you will be the Imam after me.
• 54:29
  Then upon your death, pass the mantle to your son, Imam al
• 54:33
  Hassan. Upon his death he should pass it
• 54:36
  to his brother, Imam al Hussein, who upon his death should pass
• 54:40
  it to his son, Imam Ali, IBM Al Hussein.
• 54:42
  And then it goes all the way down to Imam al Hassan, Alaska.
• 54:46
  So far so good. Then he says.
• 54:49
  Rasulullah says that upon his death he shall pass the mantle
• 54:54
  to his son, and he mentions him by his actual name.
• 54:59
  Then he says upon his death he should pass it on to the next
• 55:05
  Mehdi. So the Imam, Imam, Imam mate
• 55:08
  will end with the Mahdi. After that there'll be a new
• 55:11
  phase of Mehdi. These are guided people.
• 55:16
  Now he gives it to his son, who then gives it to his son, and so
• 55:21
  on and so forth. So a few problems don't just pop
• 55:25
  up, but they explode in our face #1 where is Imam al Mahdi?
• 55:32
  If some clown somewhere comes out and says that I'm the second
• 55:36
  Mahdi or the third Mahdi or the. Reincarnation. 27th Whatever.
• 55:41
  Like where is your grandfather, Right?
• 55:45
  The Imam al Mahdi has to have died.
• 55:51
  For his. For the for the next person to
• 55:54
  then become the Mahdi, where is he?
• 55:57
  He went into occultation, he never came back, right?
• 56:01
  Do you not believe he will come back?
• 56:03
  I mean, this goes against literally everything we believe
• 56:06
  in, that the Imam went into occultation at the age of five,
• 56:10
  never to be seen again, except in 2025 or something.
• 56:16
  Some dude who's who's got an American mother and an Egyptian
• 56:19
  father doesn't speak a word of Arabic.
• 56:23
  You know, has to speak off a teleprompter, suddenly comes out
• 56:27
  and says I am the I am, I am the Mahdi.
• 56:30
  And based on this hadith, how? How does this hadith prove
• 56:34
  anything? That hadith mentions names, so
• 56:35
  it will say Ahmed. Then there's the first Abdullah,
• 56:39
  yeah, so on and so forth. So he'll use.
• 56:41
  Obviously this is. So #1 Where is the 12th Imam,
• 56:44
  right #2 Ahmed, who's, I mean, the only good.
• 56:53
  You know, there's a lot of good. Ahmed.
• 56:55
  I know you're one of them. But like, who's this?
• 56:58
  Who's this Ahmed Al Hassan guy? Like he's some honestly, he's a
• 57:01
  terrorist. He was a guy who decided to wage
• 57:05
  war against the the the Iraqi state on the day of Ashura, no
• 57:11
  less, right? He chooses to announce his
• 57:14
  uprising there, killing hundreds of people in the process.
• 57:17
  And then they brought some of his followers on national
• 57:20
  television in Iraq. And they said, you know, who's
• 57:24
  this guy? What did you do?
• 57:26
  And they started telling stories which are just outrageous.
• 57:31
  And you don't even need to go to those people because you might
• 57:33
  say it's confession under duress if you listen to his actual
• 57:37
  voice recordings, because surely the Mahdi was going to use
• 57:41
  WhatsApp to send voice messages. You listen to his voice
• 57:44
  recordings. The guy misreads the Quran,
• 57:49
  right? Let alone everything else.
• 57:50
  He's some illiterate. Nobody knows him.
• 57:54
  His own tribe disowned him. They said this guy, you know, is
• 57:57
  a fraud. He claims to be a Sayed.
• 58:00
  None of us is a Sayed. And he says that Imam Al Mahdi
• 58:04
  is my grandfather, which again confuses everything once again,
• 58:08
  because who's your father? Plus this is your father and
• 58:11
  he's saying this is my son. So, I mean, the whole thing is
• 58:16
  such a satirical, not just illogical, but just it's
• 58:20
  downright satirical. And so the, the the last point I
• 58:26
  want to mention about this topic is this guy says I'm the second
• 58:29
  Maddie. Why you?
• 58:32
  He says, because my name is Abdullah.
• 58:34
  Are you kidding me? Are you like the only Abdullah
• 58:37
  in the world? He's like, no, no, no, but I am
• 58:39
  the Abdullah who's claimed to be the Maddie.
• 58:42
  I'm the first person to claim to be the Maddie.
• 58:44
  Well, news flash, you're not the only fraudster named Abdullah.
• 58:49
  There has been many, many people before you, and in fact, there's
• 58:52
  an entire book by one of the scholars and university
• 58:58
  researchers in Iran who wrote about all these false manes.
• 59:02
  And look it up. You're certainly not the first
• 59:04
  or the last person to make this claim.
• 59:07
  OK, let's move on. So I think there's a couple more
• 59:10
  things we want to get. Through there is there is, but I
• 59:12
  just want to ask like a random question just on the subject of
• 59:15
  short having a piece of light. Would you ever be up to meet him
• 59:18
  and debate him life? Oh, I so there's two ways to
• 59:23
  look at this. On the one hand, I would love to
• 59:26
  meet any imposter who has the audacity to come out and not
• 59:35
  only try to shred the entirety of the religion of Islam, but
• 59:40
  but make the claim that he's, he's the Mahdi just to just to
• 59:48
  essentially see how what I can do to him, right?
• 59:52
  Because it's, it's not going to be hard, right?
• 59:55
  A few verses maybe asking him a couple of questions here and
• 59:59
  there. And, and you know, he'll, he'll
• 1:00:01
  be exposed for the fraudster that he is.
• 1:00:04
  On the other hand, you really don't want to give him, you
• 1:00:07
  know, more, more credit than than it's due.
• 1:00:11
  And I really think that he's a, he's a fringe element.
• 1:00:14
  He's not taken seriously. I mean, I'll give him the fact
• 1:00:18
  that he's social media savvy. And he's got some funding, God
• 1:00:22
  knows from where, which is invested heavily in social
• 1:00:27
  media. Sadly enough, if you write the
• 1:00:29
  name of the Imam on YouTube, most of the videos that show up
• 1:00:33
  are his and so surely he's done. Some that's the fault of us.
• 1:00:38
  That's definitely a problem. And I would encourage, you know,
• 1:00:40
  people who are into SEO optimization and, you know,
• 1:00:44
  things like that to try and look into this because this guy is,
• 1:00:48
  I'm sure he's, he's paying big bucks for this kind of thing.
• 1:00:52
  But but yeah, I mean, I did issue a challenge to him in an
• 1:00:56
  article that I wrote about him. And I said, look, you know, you,
• 1:00:59
  you say that you're the Maddie number one.
• 1:01:02
  How's it going with cleansing the world of oppression and
• 1:01:04
  filling it with justice and whatnot?
• 1:01:06
  I mean, haven't you been watching the news lately?
• 1:01:09
  So the guy's a fraud. That's just, it's absurd and
• 1:01:14
  kind of a waste of breath to even talk about him.
• 1:01:16
  And secondly, I issued a challenge.
• 1:01:19
  I said, you know, if you can deposit 6 bitcoins into my
• 1:01:25
  digital wallet, I would, I would look at that favourably.
• 1:01:30
  And, you know, I even offered to give him my, my digital wallet
• 1:01:33
  details, although he doesn't need it because I mean, he's,
• 1:01:37
  you know, he has knowledge of the unseen, so surely he can he
• 1:01:39
  can manage that. But he hasn't gotten back to me.
• 1:01:41
  I told him make it rain, but nothing's happened yet.
• 1:01:44
  There's zero money in my digital wallet.
• 1:01:48
  I like that. OK, So Mehdi, we're going to
• 1:01:51
  move on with your permission. Now on a similar note to talking
• 1:01:56
  about Imam al Mehdi, there are those who have the strong belief
• 1:02:01
  that the school of the Adil Beita Lehman Salaam has been
• 1:02:05
  misrepresented through deviation in the scholarly circle through
• 1:02:09
  the Hausa specifically. And that those, you know, the
• 1:02:13
  scholarly institution, the Hausa institution has become deviated,
• 1:02:16
  has been compromised by Sunni infiltration and maybe certain
• 1:02:20
  sciences within the Hausa's Elmar Ajal, Elmar Osul, all of
• 1:02:26
  the different sciences that are taught have been messed up
• 1:02:31
  really. And that all of the
• 1:02:32
  aforementioned deviations or issues that we've mentioned,
• 1:02:36
  such people would also agree that these are deviations.
• 1:02:40
  But then say that the 12 Ossouli Imami infrastructure of
• 1:02:45
  education in itself is flawed, that the leaders and the Maraja
• 1:02:50
  who run these institutions themselves are corrupt.
• 1:02:53
  That there are misrepresentations or
• 1:02:56
  misguidances. Misguidance is within the school
• 1:03:00
  of the all the followers. For example, Shahada Thalith
• 1:03:03
  being not in the Avan for some, but not in the Salah for most.
• 1:03:08
  Or for example that the imams of the other debate have a high
• 1:03:14
  level of mokam than the majority of the mainstream, except but
• 1:03:18
  different things like this. I'm sure you would understand
• 1:03:20
  far more than I would about the intricacies of these details.
• 1:03:24
  But how do you feel about this as someone who's of course not
• 1:03:26
  just a graduate of the Houser, but of someone who's very much
• 1:03:29
  within the Houser we circles? How does that make you feel And
• 1:03:32
  and how did how did those within the Houser circles feel about
• 1:03:35
  these things? First off, I think that it's
• 1:03:40
  easy to create misconceptions that are based on really what
• 1:03:47
  could only be described as conspiracy theories.
• 1:03:52
  You know, for people to say that the entire religious
• 1:03:55
  establishment is corrupt and that the sciences and
• 1:04:02
  disciplines taught in the Islamic seminaries are have been
• 1:04:07
  corrupted, that very much sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
• 1:04:12
  I don't know about you, but like the whole thing is corrupt.
• 1:04:16
  The system's crashing, everything's crumbling down.
• 1:04:22
  We can't rely on anything anymore.
• 1:04:24
  It's like those tinfoil hat wearing people who are always on
• 1:04:29
  about how the government is like infiltrating every aspect of our
• 1:04:33
  lives. That's a conspiracy theory to
• 1:04:36
  me. That's what it sounds like.
• 1:04:39
  I would say that a more balanced approach would be to say that
• 1:04:43
  just like any other institution, it's it's prone to making
• 1:04:49
  mistakes, it's got room for improvement.
• 1:04:53
  It has issues which could certainly use some, you know,
• 1:05:00
  genuine desire to scrutinize in order to improve and fix
• 1:05:06
  whatever flaws that it has. So that's as far as the
• 1:05:11
  institution overall is concerned.
• 1:05:12
  As far as the disciplines taught in the house.
• 1:05:14
  You mentioned almorajal, for example, right?
• 1:05:17
  Almorajal is something that's been part and parcel of our
• 1:05:23
  scholarly endeavor since the time of the imams themselves.
• 1:05:28
  People would go to the Arabic Ali Musalam and say, you know,
• 1:05:32
  if I hear something that's attributed to to you quoted by
• 1:05:36
  someone that I don't fully trust, can I then take it from
• 1:05:41
  them or not? So this was a concern that
• 1:05:44
  people had since the time of the imams.
• 1:05:48
  And so to dismiss Almirajal and say this is something we need to
• 1:05:52
  throw away is a mistake because you need a degree of certainty
• 1:05:57
  that when you're quoted A hadith that it's, you know, coming from
• 1:06:02
  the right sources that it's not some made-up thing.
• 1:06:07
  For example, I was looking at this today.
• 1:06:11
  There is a hadith that's often quoted by by Sufis.
• 1:06:18
  And so interestingly, a lot of these hadith which are used by
• 1:06:26
  Sufi leaning scholars and speakers today, they all come
• 1:06:30
  from one or two sources. And so these sources have been
• 1:06:34
  dismissed by our ulama as being not authentic.
• 1:06:37
  So we can't dismiss almorajal because it's crucial to a
• 1:06:41
  degree. And we cannot take almorajal as
• 1:06:45
  the only metric with which we verify a hadith either.
• 1:06:50
  So there is a fraud and there is Tafirat.
• 1:06:53
  There is excessive reliance on something and there is not
• 1:06:56
  enough reliance on, on on the discipline of Almorajal.
• 1:07:01
  And so there has to be balance between these two, and that's
• 1:07:03
  what our scholars do. So can I just add a further
• 1:07:07
  question just on this matter is that I, I think like this noise
• 1:07:11
  when it comes to this, this, this thought process is that
• 1:07:14
  it's mainly by youth. And I, I don't hear it from our
• 1:07:18
  elders. I don't see it from our scholars
• 1:07:20
  or speakers. I know it's mainly like youth
• 1:07:23
  that disappear here and there and then come on, come back and
• 1:07:25
  share the news to the world that, you know, this is what's
• 1:07:28
  happening in the House of circles.
• 1:07:29
  This is what's happening by the scholars.
• 1:07:31
  This is how corrupt the, the whole Shiite system is in Najaf
• 1:07:34
  and, and all, and everything. And, and they use like a hadith,
• 1:07:39
  like they're like experts when it comes to the law of Hadith.
• 1:07:42
  And to us it's like, OK, it sounds like what they're saying
• 1:07:45
  is, you know, gospel. It's convincing.
• 1:07:48
  And there's we can find the references to what they're
• 1:07:50
  quoting when it comes to the narrations and the reports, but
• 1:07:53
  how should we approach it and. Can I add to that as well,
• 1:07:56
  saying that with permission? But for example, when we say
• 1:07:59
  Imam and Methi will bring a new religion and he will go to town
• 1:08:03
  on the scholars and all of these things, I mean, from a logical
• 1:08:07
  point of view, that has to mean that the system of scholarship,
• 1:08:11
  the position of scholars before the arrival of the awaited Imam
• 1:08:14
  will be in a mess. Yeah.
• 1:08:16
  Or we'll need complete, you know, turning upside down and
• 1:08:20
  reshaking altogether the system of education, the system of
• 1:08:24
  scholarship, and that the Imam will absolutely go berserk on
• 1:08:27
  the scholars. So I think.
• 1:08:29
  But is that true though? Let me just challenge you on
• 1:08:32
  that. Where did that notion come from
• 1:08:34
  that the Imam will come and he will dismantle the entire system
• 1:08:39
  and, you know, go ballistic on on all of the scholars I know?
• 1:08:44
  I think it's inferences from, but with some of the classical
• 1:08:49
  books, no. No, no.
• 1:08:50
  Even in those references, the hadith that we have speak either
• 1:08:55
  about fukaha in generic terms, which could in fact be a
• 1:09:00
  reference to non Shia fukaha, or it actually specifies which
• 1:09:05
  group of fukaha. For example, one famous hadith
• 1:09:09
  that that's often quoted in this regard is 1, in which the Imam
• 1:09:13
  says or he's asked about the Batria, right?
• 1:09:18
  So the Imam says that when he reappears, he's going to combat
• 1:09:22
  the Batria for. 16,000. Right.
• 1:09:25
  Yeah. So it's got nothing to do with
• 1:09:27
  the mainstream for Kaha. In fact, if anything, the fact
• 1:09:32
  that Imam is Zaman says you should refer when it comes to
• 1:09:42
  new events, you should refer to those who narrate our
• 1:09:47
  traditions, right? Those who narrate our
• 1:09:50
  traditions. Meaning what?
• 1:09:51
  Meaning the fokaha. Anybody who knows anything about
• 1:09:54
  the fokaha, when you attend their classes, when you attend
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  their dosal cottage, for example, you'll see them quoting
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  the hadith of the Arab 8 in addition to the Quran.
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  And so the Imam simultaneously tells us that if you go through
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  any affliction that you don't know how to deal with, refer
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  back to the foca ha. But then when he comes, he's
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  going to go to town with the foca ha and slaughter everyone.
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  It just doesn't add up. It makes absolutely no sense.
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  So either those hadith have to be taken in their right context,
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  or we have to assume that they're speaking not about
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  shiafuka, at least not mainstream shiafuka.
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  But could you not argue that the fuckahad which the Imam infers
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  are the fuckahu who he calls us, the one who disseminate our
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  hadith, what he considers to be fucker, not what we consider to
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  be fucker? Because when you say say that
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  you know the fucker hard today are the ones who know right
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  hadith, that's us saying it in, you know, 2025.
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  But when the Imam and his top 8 mentions the one who narrates
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  his hadith, that's his standard of fucker which he's relating
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  to. No, but this is, this is, this
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  is, this is simple observation. Yeah.
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  As I said, if you attend the classes of these fokaha, what do
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  they discuss? What do they talk about when
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  they give speeches, for instance, when they write books?
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  Yeah. Do they quote the enemies of the
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  albeit or do they quote the imams of the albeit?
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  And so do they not fit the description of being the
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  narrators of the hadith of the albeit?
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  Absolutely they do. Who else narrates the hadith of
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  the albeit other than the fokaha?
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  And so it would be I think, disingenuous to say that these
• 1:11:30
  folk a hot don't fit the description and that somehow the
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  Imam. I mean is he trying to confuse
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  us by saying hadith? Don't you think the Imam if he
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  was looking for something a lot more specific that he should
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  have actually elaborated on this.
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  He's simply saying refer to those who narrate the traditions
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  of us, the Arab 8IN other hadith, the Imam provides
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  examples of their morals. Examples of of their God
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  consciousness, Mankarnam al Fokaha saw in a linuf, say multi
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  Ali and Remola Mukhalifan Allah Hawa, one whose character is one
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  that's been, you know, molded in a way that produces piety and
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  taqwa and so on. In addition to the fact that
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  they base their faith and their teachings and their
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  jurisprudence on the words of the Arab Italian Mussano.
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  And that's as I said, it's very clear.
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  But if someone wants to twist that and say all the hadith says
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  yet to be Deen and jadeed, first of all is that one hadith?
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  Is it even authentic? Is it reliable?
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  Is it something? And even if it is, does it make
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  any sense that Imam and Zaman will bring a whole new religion?
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  Methodical. We believe every single Shia
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  believes that the 12th Imam is a successor of the Prophet, not a
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  new prophet. And so if he's not a new
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  prophet, how could he bring a whole new religion?
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  That's why scholars have interpreted this.
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  If it was verified, if it was authentic, they say that he will
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  present God's religion to the masses such that because people
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  have become so distant from the religion of the Arabite Alayhi
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  Salaam, they will see it as a whole new religion.
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  Right now, I'll just add 111 more point.
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  Right now, is everybody the, the large, let's say bulk of the
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  Shia world or the Muslim community worldwide, do they
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  follow the teachings of the Arabic Ali Musalam that we find
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  in our books Right now is our lives, are they congruent?
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  Are they compatible with the teachings of the Arabic Ali
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  Musalam? For the most part, no, right?
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  We do our we do whatever we want to do and then hope someone
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  comes along and says, oh, it's, it's OK, it's halal.
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  Give it, give it a rubber stamp. And that's why most people
• 1:13:59
  gravitate towards false impostors because their job is
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  to make everything halal for everyone.
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  It's to appease and to please. My point is right now a lot of
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  the Olama, if they came out and they spoke publicly and in like
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  a brazen matter and said this is religion, this is ABC and D and
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  so on, most people would see that to be kind of foreign
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  because you know, they're just used to their lifestyles.
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  They want to do their own thing. My point is, Imam and Zaman will
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  come and again, if we accept that Hadith to be authentic, he
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  will restore the religion and bring it back to its pristine
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  origin in a way that the majority of people who are
• 1:14:45
  ignorant about the faith will say, oh, what is that?
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  Like this is so alien. It's so foreign to us.
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  Because one of the things said which I think people have a
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  gripe with in that camp is the corruption which they have
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  witnessed, for example, with Homs money, Thakleid in general
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  having issues with the origins of Thakleid and and Homs of
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  course, which falls under the Thakleid angle.
• 1:15:05
  As I mentioned, Shahada Thalitha, Islamic dates within
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  the Islamic calendar, birthdays, anniversaries of death, so on
• 1:15:12
  and so forth. Other things, for example, even
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  when it comes to moon sighting as an example, I know it all
• 1:15:18
  roots back to the verification, the way you understand the
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  Mohawk and the Motta Shabir and the Hadid and what's interpreted
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  from them, which books, Tafsira Mahmal Askari, for example, and
• 1:15:28
  different works and books. Some are accepted and some are
• 1:15:32
  rejected. But what I think said I'd
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  inferred and which I actually agree with, is that the
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  conspiracies become appealing to the general public because those
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  who have knowledge of hadith, unlike the majority, I'd say, of
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  our youth, portray things and obviously put it forward with
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  their arguments using the Qadhan and the hadith.
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  So then it becomes the lines very blurred, you know, and a
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  lot of it is mainstream. We're talking about people, for
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  example, who are Shia. So for example, they'll they'll
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  talk, they'll praise the ziyarat, the the what, not the
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  lives of the omali Muslim. They won't, for example, devalue
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  them. But of course, others would say
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  they may be amongst the Khulat. So I just think it's very
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  interesting to understand, understand if there is any
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  airtime given by the ulama, the Grand Maraja and so on to those
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  who are quite literally, you know, calling them out and also
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  maybe presenting what they would call a new religion.
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  Because, you know, that would be something which I'd assume they
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  would, you know, call it, right. What do you?
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  Think can I can I just yeah, you've mentioned I mean again a
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  lot of different points that you raised are all interesting.
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  I have this problem. No, no, they're they're really
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  good point. It's just that for three years
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  just to say that he looks like he's ready to go munch right
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  now. And we're we're going on and on
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  about this. But, but let let me try and
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  address as many as I can. So you you mentioned first of
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  all, that a lot of people have witnessed corruption within the
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  home system. What what corruption have people
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  witnessed when it comes to the dispensation of homes Key, the
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  operative word being witness. Is there some money that gets
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  squandered here and there? Maybe.
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  But to say that the entire system is corrupt is a big
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  stretch. I mean, that's.
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  And I'll tell you one that it shouldn't exist now anyway.
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  Anyway, it's reserved for the time of the Imam based on the
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  talker art. Did they not say that in itself
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  doesn't it shouldn't exist? OK, so first of all, you're
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  referring to this, the statement found in the letter of Imam al
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  Mahdi to his fourth emissary, if I'm not mistaken, in which the
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  Imam says that I have, that I've made Homs halal for you.
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  And so some people have used this to attack the entire
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  religious establishment, all the Olama.
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  I mean imagine if there if this was true, that the Imam has
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  explicitly said you don't need to pay Holmes, and yet the Olama
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  continue to insist that Holmes is wajib.
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  What does that make the Olama? But that is a crazy tinfoil hat
• 1:18:28
  conspiracy theory. Why?
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  Because 14 centuries of scholarship, the most pious,
• 1:18:35
  most learned Olama one after the other, they all insist that
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  Holmes's wajib. Suddenly some random guy in
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  London discovers that it's not, which makes all of these Olama
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  corrupt. What are the chances that it's
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  this guy who's corrupt and not all of those Olama?
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  I'd say pretty high chance. That's number one.
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  Number two. And the example I want to give
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  about this, this point before I move on is I once said to
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  someone, again, some imposter, I wrote a whole treatise, an
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  article saying that hijab is not wajim.
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  And as ridiculous and as laughable as this argument is,
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  because hijab is considered varura and part of the belief of
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  every Muslim who's ever lived, right?
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  Everyone knows hijab is wajim. So then some guy comes out and
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  having studied I think for about 3 years learning Arabic grammar
• 1:19:35
  and maybe some basic logic and what not comes out and says no,
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  her job is not what? So I said to this person, I
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  said, look, one of the people who was influenced by him.
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  I said, imagine you suffer from a like a, let's say, health
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  condition, health complication and you consult 1000 doctors and
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  each and every single one of them says that you need an
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  operation. As soon as possible.
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  Then you come across a guy who spent a four year stint in
• 1:20:09
  medical school, didn't really complete anything, dropped out,
• 1:20:14
  and he comes to you and says no, no, you're perfectly fine.
• 1:20:17
  You don't need to do an operation.
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  What's the reasonable thing to do here to follow the 1000
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  qualified doctors, even if you don't like them, even if you've
• 1:20:27
  got some like, you know, personal issues or whatnot, or
• 1:20:31
  follow this random dude. So he picked up on the point I
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  was trying to make really quickly and he said, say it, I'm
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  with you. I know this is ridiculous, but
• 1:20:42
  my wife, she's all over the place.
• 1:20:44
  And so that was that. So that's point number one.
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  Point #2 with all of the hadith that we have and the verse in
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  the Quran which speaks about the obligate obligation of Homs,
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  Imam al Mahdi sends a letter, the final letter he writes to
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  one of his emissaries, and in it he abrogates all of this.
• 1:21:08
  Does that make any sense? Isn't that like super confusing?
• 1:21:13
  It's like imagine if Imam you came and or rather wrote a
• 1:21:17
  letter to the to one of the emissaries and said Salat is not
• 1:21:20
  wajib. Would you would you take that
• 1:21:22
  literally? Would you dismiss all of the
• 1:21:26
  verses, all of the hadith, all of the Sierra of the Imams, and
• 1:21:31
  say based on this one line, Salat is no longer wajib, it's
• 1:21:35
  mubah? You wouldn't accept it now,
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  would you? Holmes is the same.
• 1:21:39
  Even these people acknowledge that Holmes was wajib, but then
• 1:21:43
  by virtue of this one line, it's no longer wajib.
• 1:21:47
  It makes no sense. And so scholars, you think they
• 1:21:50
  haven't discussed this, You think that, you think they
• 1:21:53
  haven't come across this. And what they say makes absolute
• 1:21:56
  sense. They say that when the Imam says
• 1:21:58
  that we have made hommes mubach, meaning halal, meaning you don't
• 1:22:02
  have to worry about it. What the imam is saying is that
• 1:22:06
  you don't need to worry about homes when it comes to taking
• 1:22:13
  things from other people, meaning that you have to pay
• 1:22:16
  your homes. But if you get invited by your
• 1:22:18
  friend to go and have dinner in his house, do you need to
• 1:22:21
  investigate whether there was money paid on this that homes
• 1:22:24
  paid on this money that was used to purchase the food or not?
• 1:22:28
  No. In other words, you give
• 1:22:30
  everyone the benefit of the doubt and you don't worry about
• 1:22:34
  it because you've paid your own homes and we have made it
• 1:22:37
  Mubarak. In fact, the same statement
• 1:22:39
  makes sense when you read it in in context, the imam says, so
• 1:22:43
  that your children's birth becomes legitimate.
• 1:22:47
  In other words, so that this money that's been consumed by
• 1:22:52
  you doesn't affect your children otherwise paying homes on your
• 1:22:59
  own, How how is that related to your children and so on.
• 1:23:03
  My point is you have to and that's one of the problems we
• 1:23:06
  have with you mentioned the youth, may Allah bless them.
• 1:23:09
  I for one, think that it's great that we have a lot of youth that
• 1:23:13
  are showing more. I feel interestingly passionate.
• 1:23:15
  A lot of them are really genuinely, but they're
• 1:23:18
  misguided, right? And the reason they become
• 1:23:20
  misguided is very simple, because they go about this
• 1:23:23
  process without proper supervision, without guidance
• 1:23:26
  from actual scholars. It's like a youth trying to
• 1:23:29
  become a brain surgeon on his own, right?
• 1:23:34
  Will that work? They could have the best of
• 1:23:36
  intentions, but they will be misguided.
• 1:23:39
  At some point, there's almost no way they'll become actual, you
• 1:23:43
  know, physicians who can perform brain surgery on their own.
• 1:23:47
  They need that supervision and instruction.
• 1:23:50
  So I salute the youth who are trying to learn more about their
• 1:23:53
  faith, but they need to understand that the way you go
• 1:23:56
  about this, there's a process and the process is very simple.
• 1:24:01
  You'll learn the basics. You'll learn Arabic.
• 1:24:03
  Somebody actually once said to me, oh, do I have to go and
• 1:24:06
  learn Arabic now? I said, yeah, of course, that's
• 1:24:08
  how it works. You want to become, you want to
• 1:24:11
  become well versed in, you know, Catholic theology.
• 1:24:13
  You have to learn Latin. That's how it works.
• 1:24:15
  You want to learn about, you know, Jewish jurisprudence.
• 1:24:19
  You got to learn Hebrew. Suddenly Arabic, it's too hard.
• 1:24:23
  And so, you know, I could just wing it.
• 1:24:25
  I could just go and learn, you know, all the complicated
• 1:24:29
  disciplines by skipping some of these initial stages.
• 1:24:33
  Absolutely not. You need to show commitment.
• 1:24:35
  You need to work hard. And that means going to the
• 1:24:37
  house and learning from scholars.
• 1:24:38
  Right, right. I see.
• 1:24:40
  I don't know if you have time. Sure.
• 1:24:43
  One final question for me on my end on this whole debunking and
• 1:24:47
  misconceptions and things is that when it comes to the Shah
• 1:24:50
  that thought it there Arshad Ali and Wadi Allah.
• 1:24:54
  Why is there like a debate whether it should be part of
• 1:24:58
  Adan? It shouldn't be included in the
• 1:25:00
  Adan. It's supposed to happen that
• 1:25:02
  down. Some say it's for the Adan to be
• 1:25:04
  complete. People go as far as to say, you
• 1:25:06
  know, our son, it should be in your Tashahoot and Salah, like
• 1:25:09
  I've heard of these, all of these.
• 1:25:11
  And sorry, and is it not the rules not differ?
• 1:25:14
  So for example, correct me if I'm wrong saying that, but it's
• 1:25:16
  for example, the ruling, for example, for said Sadiq Sharazi
• 1:25:20
  that it's most a hab. But for example, to do it for if
• 1:25:23
  you're my Khalid of say the Sistani, it's Haram like.
• 1:25:26
  And why is there such a massive differentiation when for some of
• 1:25:30
  these scholars, these alternative scholars will say
• 1:25:33
  that no, Vikram Ali and Abada like you have to and from a
• 1:25:37
  logical point of view, it kind of makes sense.
• 1:25:39
  What do you do? How do you navigate these
• 1:25:40
  things? These are things which are which
• 1:25:42
  we hear about, right? We're passionate about as well.
• 1:25:45
  Imam Ali means the world to us. Look, passion is obviously
• 1:25:49
  something that we have to have. In fact, the Quran literally
• 1:25:54
  says is love with a passion is love that's translated into
• 1:26:04
  action next. Yeah, it's like a step up over
• 1:26:09
  love. So passion's great.
• 1:26:12
  And I think people having passion, I can see you've got a
• 1:26:14
  replica of the facade down there and that's wonderful.
• 1:26:18
  But we need to keep in mind that whether it's Durfikar or Shahda
• 1:26:22
  Thalatha, these are symbols that we adhere to and that we are
• 1:26:28
  supposed to testify to deep down in our hearts before they turn
• 1:26:36
  into symbols. And the the symbols can appear,
• 1:26:42
  but there are times when you know you you can't incorporate
• 1:26:46
  these into let's say the talbiya like can can you say la bake
• 1:26:51
  allahumma, la bake la bake Allah sharika like a bake when you're
• 1:26:54
  wrapping the the shroud, the Haram and include a shadow and
• 1:26:58
  alia Wali Allah in it. These are statements that are
• 1:27:04
  Tokifi, meaning that they, they are specific quotes that you
• 1:27:11
  must recite for the purpose of that act of worship.
• 1:27:16
  And so adding things to it or removing things from it.
• 1:27:21
  Bear with me before anybody says, oh, you know, Moccaso,
• 1:27:24
  this, that and the other. I'll, I'll get to, I'll get to
• 1:27:26
  the actual point. We need to, we need to know that
• 1:27:33
  these statements, including the Adan and Ikama and whatnot, they
• 1:27:39
  are transmitted to us by the Holy Prophet, the Imams of the
• 1:27:43
  Arabi Talihu Salaam, and that we must take them the way they are
• 1:27:47
  and not tamper with them. However, at the same time we
• 1:27:51
  have a hadith general, a hadith that say whenever you testify to
• 1:27:56
  the prophethood of the messenger, add your testimony to
• 1:28:00
  the Imama of Ali Ibn Abu Talib afterwards, right?
• 1:28:04
  It's not in the context of Adhan, it's just a general
• 1:28:07
  thing. Now this could be that whenever
• 1:28:10
  you say this, make this proclamation, also add Ali Ibn
• 1:28:15
  Abu Talib and his Imama Salaam Alayhi Ali in this proclamation.
• 1:28:20
  Maybe this excludes the Adhan and this is the view of some of
• 1:28:24
  the Maraja, including said Shobeli Zanjani for example,
• 1:28:29
  he's he's pretty adamant that this should not be included in
• 1:28:33
  the adhan, but especially the Ekama.
• 1:28:40
  Others have said no. This is a general statement,
• 1:28:42
  which means that applies across the board.
• 1:28:44
  It's a difference of opinion between the scholars and
• 1:28:47
  differences of opinion are natural, They're healthy,
• 1:28:50
  they're OK, and it's it's not something that we should dismiss
• 1:28:53
  because without difference differing opinions.
• 1:28:56
  It's not Haram Haram thing it's like.
• 1:28:58
  So, so sometimes, sometimes it can be.
• 1:29:00
  So some Alama have said that if if you say the third testimony
• 1:29:08
  in the Ikama, there are scholars who say that the Ikama is part
• 1:29:13
  of the Salah, right and that it's wajib.
• 1:29:16
  Now most of The Mirage are today don't say that it's wajib.
• 1:29:19
  But there were scholars especially previously used to
• 1:29:22
  believe that it's wajib and part of the Salah or at least the out
• 1:29:27
  would you be? So if this is part of the Salah
• 1:29:30
  and you include something in it that was not originally part of
• 1:29:34
  it, then it could become problematic.
• 1:29:38
  So as I said, nowadays I don't believe any of the Maraja.
• 1:29:44
  I say that maybe Sage Shobeidi, but I would defer the listeners,
• 1:29:50
  the audience to their own major, see what he has to say and do
• 1:29:54
  it. Because ultimately, if the
• 1:29:57
  Maraja don't believe the Adan and Ekama, Adan certainly isn't
• 1:30:00
  part of the Salah. Ekama for the most part is not
• 1:30:03
  considered as part of the act of prayer itself.
• 1:30:07
  If that is the case, then adding the testimony to the Imam of
• 1:30:12
  Emir Al Mahmini is not problematic because it's neither
• 1:30:16
  Haram nor wajib. It wouldn't.
• 1:30:17
  Invalidate. It wouldn't invalidate anything,
• 1:30:20
  right? And that's why most Maraja say
• 1:30:23
  that the best thing to do is to say it.
• 1:30:27
  In fact, I believe if I'm not mistaken, say Moss Al Hakim has
• 1:30:29
  a statement about this where he says that now that it's become a
• 1:30:33
  staple of Tashayor, a sign of Tashayor, it shouldn't be
• 1:30:37
  removed. Leave it in there.
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  It's fine because we're dealing with.
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  Yeah. Yeah, of course we're speaking
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  about. So he says he said you should
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  leave it. Well, the one in Tashahoe is
• 1:30:49
  definitely not a staple of Tashaya, right.
• 1:30:52
  But the one in Adan in economy, he says that now that it's a
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  staple of Tashaya, it's a sign of being a Shia.
• 1:30:57
  It's fine, leave it in there, but don't say it with the
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  intention of this being part of the original Adan in economy.
• 1:31:05
  In other words, when you do say it, say it as a as a the hub, as
• 1:31:09
  something that you included because of those other hadith
• 1:31:12
  that said whenever you proclaim the Prophethood of the
• 1:31:16
  Messenger, you should also proclaim.
• 1:31:18
  The Islam when you mentioned. For example, Yeah.
• 1:31:24
  So based on that, I don't see this to be such a big deal,
• 1:31:27
  honestly. Some people try to make a big
• 1:31:30
  deal out of it because they're trying to again, portray this
• 1:31:34
  image of a fractured community. Too many contradictions, too
• 1:31:39
  many disagreements. But you could say the same thing
• 1:31:41
  about the medical doctors community.
• 1:31:44
  There are lots of disagreements. But does that mean that the
• 1:31:47
  system is undermined, that it's corrupted to the core, that it
• 1:31:50
  need to be dismantled? Absolutely not.
• 1:31:53
  They see it as a healthy phenomenon, as a as a sign of
• 1:31:57
  the fact that this community is vibrant and alive and engaging
• 1:32:01
  in all of these different conversations.
• 1:32:03
  And each one has the freedom to adopt their own view.
• 1:32:06
  And you can emulate them and Inshallah will accept it from
• 1:32:09
  you because these people are qualified to be a source of
• 1:32:12
  emulation, right? So just defer to your merger and
• 1:32:16
  you're good to go. As for the other point, I think
• 1:32:20
  you mentioned something about the different dates ascribed to
• 1:32:25
  the small disturbances. I mean, look, when it comes to
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  historical, let's say, events, there's no 100% foolproof
• 1:32:40
  definitive way of saying whether you know this event occurred On
• 1:32:45
  this date or not. Ultimately this is subject to
• 1:32:49
  historical scrutiny and you have to go with whatever evidence you
• 1:32:54
  have and what you perceive to be strong evidence or weak
• 1:32:56
  evidence. There are different opinions
• 1:32:58
  about it throughout history. And so, for example, the birth
• 1:33:02
  of Emira Mumini. When, when did that happen?
• 1:33:05
  Is disputed right? So the 13th of right, 13th, but.
• 1:33:08
  But we have a very strong hadith that says it happened in the
• 1:33:13
  picture. Yeah.
• 1:33:14
  And so scholars have looked at this and they're like, okay,
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  first of all, don't panic, don't lose your control.
• 1:33:21
  No big deal, right? We could celebrate the birth of
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  Emir Al Momenin on 2 occasions or just on one of those
• 1:33:27
  occasions. It's fine, right?
• 1:33:29
  This is not the end of the world.
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  So that's, that I think is an important point to make,
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  especially to some communities that take this so seriously that
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  if God forbid, someone came out and said Dulhajja, right, swords
• 1:33:43
  will be swinging. And I don't think we should look
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  at it that way. Did you know my uncle, His
• 1:33:50
  Eminence granddad told us he once said something which which
• 1:33:54
  was really moving. He said, did you know that when
• 1:33:56
  it comes to the Shahada of Fatima, to Sahara, we have
• 1:34:03
  something like 22 different narrations, different dates. 22,
• 1:34:12
  if I'm not mistaken, was a very, very big number.
• 1:34:16
  And then he said made a really interesting point.
• 1:34:21
  He said maybe that's because of two things #1 because just as
• 1:34:27
  Fatimah Zahra's grave was hidden, just as she was buried
• 1:34:31
  at night so that people wouldn't participate in her funeral and
• 1:34:36
  wouldn't recognize her burial place.
• 1:34:40
  Similarly, the date of her passing was also obscured,
• 1:34:46
  leaving her martyrdom in this, in this space, which is kind of,
• 1:34:55
  you know, it's, it's it's mysterious, it's being guarded.
• 1:35:00
  The secret is guarded until the 12th Imam comes number one,
• 1:35:03
  Number two, he said. Maybe the other reason is so
• 1:35:06
  that her martyrdom is commemorated multiple times a
• 1:35:10
  year, so that people don't forget this travesty of justice,
• 1:35:15
  this grave act of oppression against the daughter of
• 1:35:18
  Rasulullah and therefore Rasulullah, and therefore God
• 1:35:20
  himself. And that's why you have multiple
• 1:35:23
  traditions. You think of it like that I.
• 1:35:25
  Honestly, when it comes to the births of the imams, the
• 1:35:28
  Shahadat of the imams, I think it's good that we have multiple
• 1:35:33
  references about those so that we remember the imams more often
• 1:35:37
  because we don't remember them often enough, do we?
• 1:35:41
  Some of the imams, Ali, Hamas, Salah to Assalam honestly feel
• 1:35:44
  like they're oppressed, honestly neglected because throughout the
• 1:35:47
  year we're too busy talking about whether Proms money is
• 1:35:51
  being squandered or not, whether the ulama are corrupt or not,
• 1:35:54
  whether Rasulullah missed a prayer or made a mistake in one
• 1:35:58
  of the Salawat or not. All these peripheral,
• 1:36:02
  negligible, useless things without going to the source of
• 1:36:08
  the knowledge, without referring to the imams of the Arabic
• 1:36:11
  Alaima Salaam and learning from them and being guided by them
• 1:36:14
  and their teachings. Which which actually reminds me,
• 1:36:19
  I mean, you mentioned the Prophet and Sahu Nabi and how
• 1:36:22
  some people make a big deal out of that.
• 1:36:25
  And my point to them is, OK, fine, maybe you're able to
• 1:36:30
  somehow prove using your version of Almorajal that the Prophet
• 1:36:36
  might have made a mistake in one of his prayers.
• 1:36:38
  What have you actually achieved? What do you think you've done?
• 1:36:43
  You think you deserve a medal now that you proved Rasulullah
• 1:36:46
  made some minor mistake? That's if we're going to give
• 1:36:50
  them this, this point about, oh, maybe it's true, right?
• 1:36:55
  But what have you actually done? Have you brought anyone closer
• 1:36:59
  to Rasulullah and therefore to Allah?
• 1:37:02
  Or have you just confused people?
• 1:37:05
  And that reminds me of a hadith when the Imam Ali Salah to a
• 1:37:08
  Salaam says don't don't listen. And it kind of just connects
• 1:37:12
  back to your first question. Don't listen to a scholar.
• 1:37:15
  So it begins with negation. Doesn't say listen to scholars
• 1:37:19
  who do this. It says no, no no, exclude
• 1:37:21
  everyone. Don't listen to anyone unless
• 1:37:25
  they fit this description. And the Imam provides 3 metrics.
• 1:37:28
  One of them is this, he says, the one who can take you out of
• 1:37:33
  doubt and into certainty. All these discussions made by
• 1:37:37
  these fringe, freakish elements do the opposite, take you to
• 1:37:43
  doubt. They make people doubtful.
• 1:37:45
  That's what they're trying to do for you, Imam Al Baqar Ali
• 1:37:51
  Salaam says there is doubt in their hearts.
• 1:37:53
  Allah will only increase that doubt, which is what the Quran
• 1:37:57
  refers to as disease. What have you achieved?
• 1:38:01
  Just think about it instead of actually sitting down and
• 1:38:04
  speaking about the greatness of Rasul Allah, about the fact that
• 1:38:08
  Rasul Allah was the greatest exemplar of divine morality,
• 1:38:14
  About Rasul Allah being better than all of the previous
• 1:38:17
  prophets and being handed to us, for lack of a better term, on a
• 1:38:23
  silver platter. This is your prophet, the best
• 1:38:27
  of messengers, and this is how we deal with him.
• 1:38:30
  Some people accuse him of being delirious on his deathbed, and
• 1:38:34
  some clown comes along today and says he missed a Rakhine Salah.
• 1:38:39
  So what Congratulations do do. Do you want us all to cheer for
• 1:38:44
  you now because you've discovered some trailblazing
• 1:38:48
  thing that no one's ever seen before?
• 1:38:50
  Supposedly it's absolute rubbish.
• 1:38:53
  It distracts us from, from really engaging with our faith,
• 1:38:57
  from getting to know God's vice Gerrans.
• 1:39:01
  And and if I may, I don't know if you have any more questions
• 1:39:04
  or more time. I just want to address 1 more
• 1:39:06
  point, which is we talked about how Tuxedo and and Hulu being
• 1:39:10
  two sides of the same coin. The middle path is to accept
• 1:39:18
  that the Holy Prophet and the Imams of the Arab 8 we're #1 the
• 1:39:23
  best of the best. I don't think anyone can deny
• 1:39:27
  this. If, if you can deny it, if you
• 1:39:30
  if you try to deny it, then again, you can call yourself
• 1:39:32
  whatever you want you want. You're not a Shia.
• 1:39:35
  They were the best of the best. They were the greatest sources
• 1:39:40
  of emulation and role models. They also had divine knowledge.
• 1:39:44
  They were appointed by a loss upon OT Allah.
• 1:39:46
  Their obedience is wajib. You can say anything else that
• 1:39:51
  you like that doesn't tarnish or in any way undermine these
• 1:39:55
  points, right? And so be it, I don't care.
• 1:39:59
  Follow them, obey them, listen to them, connect with them, and
• 1:40:04
  surely you'll find your path to a loss upon OT Allah.
• 1:40:07
  But don't remove their ranks from them.
• 1:40:10
  One of the things we say in Zyad Abel Fadl al Abbas, which I find
• 1:40:14
  mesmerizing, it's not the zeal of Imam Hussein, who was an
• 1:40:18
  infallible, divinely appointed Imam Abel Fadl al Abbas.
• 1:40:22
  It says la an Allah, home and Catholic.
• 1:40:24
  May Allah curse the one who killed you, may Allah curse the
• 1:40:27
  one who prevented you from reaching the Euphrates, and may
• 1:40:31
  Allah curse the one who denied your virtues.
• 1:40:36
  Why deny their virtues? Is it jealousy?
• 1:40:38
  Is it envy? Honest to God, I think with some
• 1:40:41
  of these imposters, it's envy. It's like, why should it be them
• 1:40:45
  when it can be me? And so what's the point?
• 1:40:50
  Just if you accept them as being divinely appointed, if you
• 1:40:53
  accept them as being the best of the best, if you accept them as
• 1:40:55
  being God's representatives and, and the ones who carry that
• 1:41:00
  message to us, fine, Go and try and, you know, fulfill these,
• 1:41:07
  these beliefs that you have, Surely you'll get there.
• 1:41:10
  But if you try to play games here and there just to distract,
• 1:41:13
  just to confuse, just to push the community away from the
• 1:41:17
  Arabic Talia with Salaam, not less by praising their enemies,
• 1:41:23
  right? If you start doing stuff like
• 1:41:25
  that, then you should know we're going to counter all of that.
• 1:41:28
  We're going to respond to you, we're going to disgrace you,
• 1:41:31
  we're going to humiliate you and shot Allah.
• 1:41:34
  I think that's the overarching point.
• 1:41:36
  I think there's a lot more I want to ask, but maybe in a Part
• 1:41:39
  2, Inshallah says that the overarching point, which I, I
• 1:41:43
  think hopefully Inshallah we've, we've addressed today and we've
• 1:41:48
  been able to, to recognise is there's a lot of noise and
• 1:41:51
  distraction around us online, in person, in books, wherever you
• 1:41:55
  turn. But ultimately, the search for
• 1:41:58
  truth is so important and you'll always be guided towards the
• 1:42:01
  truth. And that hadith said it was a
• 1:42:04
  Salaam about don't listen to who puts shack in your heart.
• 1:42:10
  And I think that's a very important standard for us to
• 1:42:13
  follow in a world which is so conflated and the moral compass
• 1:42:17
  is so conflated. Understand what the truth is and
• 1:42:21
  then Charlotte, we will see who and this is if I'm not mistaken,
• 1:42:24
  Hadith the middle what many and we'll see we follow those who
• 1:42:27
  follow the. Truth which which actually, if I
• 1:42:31
  may just add one more quick point on that, which is that if
• 1:42:34
  you're ever confused, there are a couple of things you can do. 1
• 1:42:40
  is to appeal to a loss of Hana with Tala, to genuinely pray to
• 1:42:46
  God and ask him without any presuppositions, without any
• 1:42:50
  prejudices, any biases, anything of that nature.
• 1:42:54
  Just turn to him in Salah to lay in, you know, the Whateira and I
• 1:43:01
  don't know, at federal time and just surrender yourself to a
• 1:43:06
  lost panel and say, I don't know, I'm confused, guide me,
• 1:43:10
  teach me. This goes a long way.
• 1:43:12
  And the second thing is go with the mainstream, right?
• 1:43:17
  The the we have a hadith where the Imams Ali Musalam say that
• 1:43:21
  if you're going to take knowledge from someone, make
• 1:43:25
  sure you take it. Take it from our followers.
• 1:43:31
  Don't go left, right and centre. Don't go after people who are,
• 1:43:35
  you know, fringe and kind of on the sidelines.
• 1:43:38
  Go to the mainstream, the mainstream Olama, the mainstream
• 1:43:41
  Fokaha of the Arabic Salam. They are a lot less likely,
• 1:43:46
  let's put it that way, to make a mistake right?
• 1:43:49
  But when you follow someone who's a fringe element, the
• 1:43:53
  chances of of him getting it wrong are very, very high.
• 1:43:58
  And just always remind yourself that it's the Quran and the
• 1:44:02
  other bait, The Quran and the other bait, right?
• 1:44:06
  The Quran and the one who comes and tells you, the one who tells
• 1:44:11
  you our hadith corpus has been completely compromised.
• 1:44:16
  These same people will refer to some hadith to further their
• 1:44:20
  agenda. Excuse me when they tell you
• 1:44:25
  that the hadith corpus has been compromised.
• 1:44:27
  And when they say the hadith corpus has been compromised,
• 1:44:30
  it's another fancy way of saying he's being delirious.
• 1:44:38
  The Quran is sufficient for us. No, the Quran is not sufficient.
• 1:44:40
  Rasulullah did say the Quran and my family.
• 1:44:43
  The Quran needs a barometer, a person to define it, to explain
• 1:44:48
  it, to remove any confusion that might exist regarding the Quran.
• 1:44:53
  So go back to the mainstream, follow the scholars of the
• 1:44:58
  Ahlubait and no one else. As Rasulullah said in this
• 1:45:02
  beautiful hadith, Omar comes to the Holy Prophet.
• 1:45:07
  He says to him, I've been going to this private tutor, this
• 1:45:12
  class that is unique. The tutor is a Jewish monk or
• 1:45:19
  rabbi or Rebbe as they call him, and he's been teaching me the
• 1:45:24
  Torah. Notice Rasool.
• 1:45:28
  Allah doesn't tell him the Torah is corrupted.
• 1:45:30
  That would have been the easiest thing to do, right?
• 1:45:32
  Torat in Gil, the Bible, it's been tampered with, it's been
• 1:45:36
  changed. So what are you doing, going and
• 1:45:39
  studying this book? He doesn't do that.
• 1:45:41
  He provides a more fundamental teaching that helps through
• 1:45:47
  these confusing sort of ideologies that we find
• 1:45:51
  ourselves facing today. He says to him, why are you
• 1:45:55
  doing that? Why not you come behind?
• 1:45:59
  I am giving you the pristine message in its most pure,
• 1:46:03
  unadulterated form, and you're going to someone who's teaching
• 1:46:07
  you the Torah. Then, as if this wasn't enough,
• 1:46:10
  the Prophet adds this point. He said wallah by God, lokana
• 1:46:15
  Musa havaran. If Musa was present today, Lama
• 1:46:19
  was Yahoo, Allah and Yahudahani. He had no choice but to come and
• 1:46:23
  learn from me, Musa himself, the authentic Torat.
• 1:46:29
  So follow the mainstream, seek assistance from Allah, Spano
• 1:46:32
  Taala and follow the Sakalain and nothing else.
• 1:46:41
  Thank you. Say it.
• 1:46:42
  You've given a lot of clarity to the confusion that exists out
• 1:46:45
  there. Me as well.
• 1:46:46
  Now you've answered a lot. The viewers find them
• 1:46:49
  beneficial. Yeah, I loved it.
• 1:46:50
  I forgive me for for picking your break.
• 1:46:53
  They do smash that like. Yes, Smash.
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  The you know the. Drone smash it, become a
• 1:46:58
  partner. Smash it.
• 1:46:59
  Break it. I'd say just the last thing
• 1:47:02
  sorry for. Anyone.
• 1:47:04
  Who's got to this point in the video?
• 1:47:06
  No, no, on an off topic point, people, people as in if they've
• 1:47:11
  got here, they of course respect you.
• 1:47:12
  They listen to what you're saying.
• 1:47:14
  Can you encourage people to support us?
• 1:47:16
  And I mean this because we are. How can they support you?
• 1:47:18
  Can you explain that? Any financial contribution goes
• 1:47:22
  a long way, OK. That allows donations.
• 1:47:25
  Donations that allows us to sustain our space.
• 1:47:27
  You do like memberships and. Stuff, memberships, merchandise,
• 1:47:30
  OK business sponsorships, things like that.
• 1:47:34
  So you got swag. I can.
• 1:47:36
  I can kind of wear and. I'm not wearing any, but yeah
• 1:47:39
  to. Promote the brand.
• 1:47:40
  I mean, on the member of the aftermarket video, they're
• 1:47:42
  pretty cool, but I don't think that's befitting of the member.
• 1:47:45
  But no, this is not one of them. But yeah, and that's that.
• 1:47:49
  And of course, I think more so just to share our message
• 1:47:51
  because we want to reach as many people as possible.
• 1:47:53
  Look, it's not because you're my friends, but it's more so, I
• 1:47:59
  think, and I've known you for a very long time, Hamdulillah.
• 1:48:05
  But it's because I've seen the impact and I've seen how people
• 1:48:09
  all over the world talk about the Aftermath podcast and the
• 1:48:13
  impact it's made on their lives and the benefits that it's, it's
• 1:48:17
  brought to them. So I absolutely support the work
• 1:48:23
  that you do and I think everyone else should do so as well.
• 1:48:27
  Yes, there are costs involved in making all of this happen.
• 1:48:31
  It's, it's, it's no surprise that a lot of podcasts, I think
• 1:48:36
  they read somewhere that they stop after like 3 episodes or
• 1:48:40
  something. I mean, I tried it once and it
• 1:48:42
  stopped after 2 episodes. So part of the reason is that
• 1:48:46
  it's a huge commitment. It takes a lot of time and
• 1:48:49
  effort, not just by yourselves, the presenters, but say Mustaba
• 1:48:54
  Mayallah bless him and the team that puts it all together.
• 1:48:58
  So it's a, it's a, something that takes effort and time and
• 1:49:02
  energy and also costs money. So anyone who can support even
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  if it's a small amount, I would definitely recommend that they
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  do so and inshallah it's going to a really good cause.
• 1:49:13
  And thank you for the proof is on the wall.
• 1:49:16
  It says yah Hussain. Yeah, thank you for saying and I
• 1:49:21
  hope Inshallah everyone at home has benefited as much as we
• 1:49:24
  have. In Inshallah, we pray to Allah
• 1:49:26
  Spontala to always grant, say methi, mortal feel and
• 1:49:29
  opportunities to serve, to continue to serve in the way
• 1:49:31
  that Quran and the other beta name Salam this year and every
• 1:49:34
  inshallah until his last breath that yeah, I mean.
• 1:49:39
  So. And Brans sister will be back as
• 1:49:42
  always next week with another episode on aftermarket.
• 1:49:44
  And make sure you comment down below any comments, anythings,
• 1:49:48
  any questions you have. And inshallah I'm sure other
• 1:49:51
  viewers can try and help you. It's fun.
• 1:49:53
  If not, I'm not taking that responsibility to you guys.
• 1:49:56
  But yeah, Sharla, we'll see you next week.
• 1:49:58
  Take care of Salaam Alaikum on Hamilton Life.