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Sharri | 19 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: Well tonight to Albanizi loses his call at questions over
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Speaker 3: his tax plans.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're not terribly clever.
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Speaker 3: Question is he starting to crack under the pressure? Basil
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Speaker 3: Zemplus and Matt Canavan will give their take in a
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Speaker 3: moment Plus Israel further humiliates Hesbela and Iran with an
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Speaker 3: attack on their walkie talkies. It comes as more details
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Speaker 3: emerge about the extraordinary moss Out operation, including claims of
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Speaker 3: a shelf company. Terror expert Greg Barton will be on
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Speaker 3: Live and later Starter shows young OSSI's are shunning alcohol
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Speaker 3: in favor of a healthier lifestyle. Veteran journalist Jennie O
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Speaker 3: Dowd will be on the show to discuss but first
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Speaker 3: tonight to Penny Wong's disgraceful vote at the United Nations.
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Speaker 3: Once again, the Albanese government was out of step with
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Speaker 3: the United States by not voting against a pro Hamas resolution.
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Speaker 2: Now, this was the first motion put.
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Speaker 3: Forward by the Palestinian authority since the Yun rewarded it
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Speaker 3: for the October seven massacre by giving it a de
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Speaker 3: facto seat at the table back in May a move
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Speaker 3: that in itself is a joke. They're giving the Palestinians
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Speaker 3: where in Gaza the governing body is a terror regime,
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Speaker 3: a seat at the table at the UN, the UN
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Speaker 3: created in the wake of the Holocaust and.
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Speaker 2: World War Two. It's a joke.
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Speaker 3: A motion for peace should have been if there was
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Speaker 3: going to be one, should have been submitted by a
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Speaker 3: third party, another country.
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Speaker 2: It could have been balanced.
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Speaker 3: It could have demanded the release of the hostages and
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Speaker 3: condemned the slaughter of October seven.
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Speaker 2: But the YUN has lost all reason.
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Speaker 3: Instead, the first motion, put forward by the Palestinians and
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Speaker 3: sponsored by dozens of other, mostly Muslim nations, called for
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Speaker 3: Israel to get out of Gaza and the West Bank
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Speaker 3: within a year, no conditions attached, no concern about innocent hostages,
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Speaker 3: including baby Kafir Bibas and his brother Ariel. It actually
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Speaker 3: calls for Israel to pay reparations even to terrorists, and
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Speaker 3: once an international Commission of Inquiry set up to effectively
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Speaker 3: dismantle Israel as a Jewish national home. This resolution at
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Speaker 3: the UN turns October seven into the Palestinian independence Day.
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Speaker 2: It rewards terror.
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Speaker 3: Both the former Australian Ambassador to Israel Dave Shama and
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Speaker 3: Colin Rubinstein spoke this week on the show about just
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Speaker 3: how extreme the resolution is.
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Speaker 4: That this is a one sided, inflammatory resolution that will
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Speaker 4: do nothing to advance the cause of piece extreme.
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Speaker 5: It's basically calling not only for the isolation of Israel,
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Speaker 5: but the delegitimization of Israel and ultimately is dismantling.
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Speaker 1: So it's an omnibus resolution.
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Speaker 3: And even the Biden administration spoke publicly about how disgraceful
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Speaker 3: this UN resolution is.
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Speaker 6: One year since twelve hundred citizens from Israel and many
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Speaker 6: other countries were massacred and hundreds more taken into the
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Speaker 6: tunnels beneath Gaza were many still weight in captivity today,
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Speaker 6: enough is enough. We urge all Council members with influence
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Speaker 6: over Hamas to join others and pressing its leaders to
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Speaker 6: stop stalling.
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Speaker 3: And this is now creating somewhat of a diplomatic rift
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Speaker 3: between the United States and Australia. The Biden administration had
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Speaker 3: strongly lobbied Pennywong to vote against the motion. She ignored them,
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Speaker 3: and in a way, she might have even supported the
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Speaker 3: motion had it not been for the US's efforts. In
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Speaker 3: a way There's nothing more depressing than looking at the
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Speaker 3: UN vote result seeing how much of the world is
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Speaker 3: currently against Israel. Only fourteen countries against the motion in
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Speaker 3: support of Israel, while there were one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 3: four voting in support of the Palestinian motion. Voting against
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Speaker 3: it was the United States, Argentina and Australia's closest specific partners,
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Speaker 3: PNG and Fiji. Forty three countries abstained, including Australia, Canada, Germany, Italy,
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Speaker 3: the UK, Austria, India, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine and others.
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Speaker 2: And by the.
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Speaker 3: Way, many of those world leaders paid solidarity visits to
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Speaker 3: Israel right after the October seven attacks, So how can
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Speaker 3: they have forgotten that one hundred people still bill are
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Speaker 3: held hostage. Then, among the one hundred and twenty four
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Speaker 3: countries that supported the Palestinian motion New Zealand, France, Indonesia, Japan, Spain, South.
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Speaker 2: Africa and many more. Now, as you know.
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Speaker 3: Australia has led the world in giving almost three thousand
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Speaker 3: visas to Gazans, mostly without proper security checks. But what's
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Speaker 3: fascinating is that most of the countries voting yes in
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Speaker 3: that Palestinian motion supporting the Palestinian motion. Well, they're taking
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Speaker 3: in very few, if any Garzans. So this is a
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Speaker 3: classic case of virtue signaling. Now, Pennywog today in a
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Speaker 3: media interview and in a press conference, said, you would
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Speaker 3: actually have liked to have supported this motion.
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Speaker 7: We would have preferred to have been in a position
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Speaker 7: where we could support a resolution that reflected the International
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Speaker 7: Court of Justice's advice the opinion, and we worked very
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Speaker 7: hard in New York with other countries to try and
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Speaker 7: get changes to the resolution that would enable us to
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Speaker 7: support it.
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Speaker 3: Now, she's showing anti Israel bias there, but we also
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Speaker 3: saw anti Israel bias from the press gallery. Listen now
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Speaker 3: to this question that one SBS journalist asked Pennywong just
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Speaker 3: on the a lot of people.
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Speaker 8: Around Australia feel like the government isn't doing enough to
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Speaker 8: pressure Israel in this conflict. You had an opportunity where
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Speaker 8: the majority of countries throughout the world vote big favor
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Speaker 8: and only a few days or voted against. Does this
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Speaker 8: send the wrong message to people in Australia that you
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Speaker 8: know we're not doing that.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's some activism at the SBS. A young journalist
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Speaker 3: in Canberra, assuming that a lot of people around Australia
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Speaker 3: feel the same way. She does feel that the government
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Speaker 3: isn't pressuring Israel enough, and Penny Wong took the opportunity
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Speaker 3: to highlight all the things Australia was doing for her
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Speaker 3: Musk controlled gaza.
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Speaker 7: You've seen US vote in a vote that was highly
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Speaker 7: criticized by some for greater recognition of the Palestinians delegation
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Speaker 7: at the United Nation. You've seen US put sanctions on settlers.
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Speaker 7: We don't export weapons to Israel, and we will continue
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Speaker 7: to look at ways we can add our voice to
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Speaker 7: a pathway out of this conflict because we also want
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Speaker 7: peace in the Middle East and we regret that we
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Speaker 7: were not in a position to support this resolution alongside
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Speaker 7: the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 3: And then the statement that the Australian UN representative James
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Speaker 3: Larsen gave also very clearly outlined all the anti Israel
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Speaker 3: positions that the Albanese government has taken.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 9: We doubled our funding to UNRA because it does vital work.
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Speaker 9: We have not supplied weapons to Israel in at least
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Speaker 9: the last five years. We have moved our position on recognition.
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Speaker 9: We now see recognition as an integral part of a
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Speaker 9: peace process and as a way to contribute meaningfully towards
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Speaker 9: the realization of a two state solution.
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Speaker 1: It's a matter of when not if.
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Speaker 3: You wouldn't have seen comments like that coming from the
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Speaker 3: UN representative under the former Coalition government or labor governments
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Speaker 3: in the past. There's no question now James Larsen, who
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Speaker 3: you just saw speaking there, he's a career diplomat and
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Speaker 3: he does have to deliver the lines drafted by Canberra.
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Speaker 3: Yet this is still embarrassing for him given he used
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Speaker 3: to be highly respected as the former ambassador in Israel. Now,
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Speaker 3: while this vote that we've seen at the UN, it
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Speaker 3: is depressing, but it's not surprising ever since Israel's creation.
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Speaker 2: Whenever the Arab Group.
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Speaker 3: Has tabled a resolution at the UN, it does automatically
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Speaker 3: achieve majority support. But what matters is the like minded
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Speaker 3: nations vote, and it's concerning that only the US voted
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Speaker 3: against it. But like I said, this is now a
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Speaker 3: forum for left wing virtue signalers and show ponies, and
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Speaker 3: ultimately the United Nations, while a disgrace, is irrelevant, and
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Speaker 3: Israel showed that yet again last night as the UN
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Speaker 3: moved emotion against it. We presume Israel carried out yet
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Speaker 3: another stealth operation against Hesbelah, this time blowing up their
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Speaker 3: walkie talkies. It's brilliant and genius. But the United Nations
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Speaker 3: Secretary General Antonio Guterres said he was deeply alarmed by
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Speaker 3: this by terrorists being killed. His comments render him an
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Speaker 3: object of ridicule and utterly inconsequential.
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Speaker 2: The lesson is.
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Speaker 3: That the sophisticated assault on Hesbela this week, attacks beyond
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Speaker 3: the capability or imagination of any other intelligence agency around
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Speaker 3: the world, unprecedented in their brilliance, shows that Israel will
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Speaker 3: defend its citizens irrespective of the corrupt United Nations. The
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Speaker 3: Jewish commitment to survival espouse by the Israelis is no
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Speaker 3: holds barret. It's uncompromising and it should give us encouragement
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Speaker 3: when the world turns against reason and rationality like it
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Speaker 3: did overnight. All Right, as I said, a terror expert
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Speaker 3: Greg Barton will join me a bit later to talk
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Speaker 3: about how those Hesbela attacks unfolded. But now let's bring
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Speaker 3: a national Senator Matt Canavan and Perth mayor Basil zemplists.
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Speaker 3: Welcome it to you, both, gentlemen. Matt just continuing, just
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Speaker 3: want to get your reaction to that topic there, Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 3: If it weren't for the pressure by the United States,
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Speaker 3: Penny Wog might very well have voted in favor of
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Speaker 3: this pro humus motion.
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Speaker 10: Well, that may very well have been the case.
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Speaker 11: So you would hope not because as you outlined and
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Speaker 11: as others have, I mean, this motion was not a
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Speaker 11: motion for peace. I mean the Australian government, to all
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Speaker 11: other governments, should be trying to work towards a peaceful
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Speaker 11: solution that reduces a number of people dying at the moment.
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Speaker 11: It's terrible, it's horrific. And this motion, among other things,
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Speaker 11: called for the return of all Palestinians displaced over the
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Speaker 11: many years of conflict in that area. Anybody that knows
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Speaker 11: anything about the negotiations between Israel and Palestine knows that
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Speaker 11: that's just not going to happen, and voting for motion
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Speaker 11: of that kind just puts unnecessary hurdles in the road
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Speaker 11: of trying to find a peaceful solution long term. So look,
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Speaker 11: I don't think just bite all the government's protestations now,
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Speaker 11: I actually don't think they're acting in good faith to
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Speaker 11: try and find peaceful resolutions. They act with their own
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Speaker 11: domestic political interests, electoral interests in mind.
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Speaker 10: That's what's happening here.
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Speaker 11: They are doing what they're doing because they just worried
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Speaker 11: about losing votes in electrics in Australia. And I think
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Speaker 11: that's whether that's true or not, I think it's reprehensible
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Speaker 11: to be acting in that way when people are dying
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Speaker 11: on the other side of the world. Should be we
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Speaker 11: should be caring about them, not your own little jobs
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Speaker 11: here in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Or conversely, we should be worried about social cohesion in Australia,
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Speaker 3: protecting all Australian citizens, rather than Penny Wog thinking she
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Speaker 3: can solve the conflict in the Middle East. It's just
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Speaker 3: so arrogant of her to think she can lecture Israel
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Speaker 3: like this basil. You know, as Matt Canavan just said,
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Speaker 3: there are domestic considerations here for Penny wang and the
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Speaker 3: Albanezi government.
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Speaker 2: And the flip side is, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, we think it's absurd that Australia are abstained, but
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Speaker 3: the pro Palestinian movement will be furious at the government
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Speaker 3: for not supporting this motion.
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Speaker 12: And careful what you wish for sometimes, isn't it and
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Speaker 12: that's exactly right. So they might have backed themselves into
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Speaker 12: a corner. I think when we consider throughout our history
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Speaker 12: the number of times that we have or have not
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Speaker 12: stood with the United States, there are not many times
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Speaker 12: that come to mind when we have not stood in
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Speaker 12: line and side by side the United States. And yet
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Speaker 12: we have not voted with the Biden administration on this issue.
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Speaker 1: And at the heart of it, one hundred.
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Speaker 12: People coming up for the one year anniversary of being
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Speaker 12: held hostage, and I think sometimes simplifying it down to
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Speaker 12: that nearly a year, one hundred Israelis still held hostage.
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Speaker 12: When will they be released? Release them? And this takes
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Speaker 12: a whole different.
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Speaker 3: Direction here here well, said Basil Zamplus now looking at
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister, the pressure seems to be getting to him.
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Speaker 3: He lashed out at ABC radio presenter Precisier card Vellis
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Speaker 3: when he was asked, really some pretty straightforward questions about hacks.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 13: Are you saying negative gearing and capital gains tax concessions
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Speaker 13: are absolutely off the table for you?
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Speaker 4: Well, they're tax policies.
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Speaker 7: But are those tax policies? Are those tax policies completely
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Speaker 7: off the table for you?
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Speaker 4: Well, Patricia. I don't answer the sort of those sort
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Speaker 4: of questions in the way that yeah, that's a good question.
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Speaker 10: Are you going to say no to those or not?
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Speaker 4: They're things that journalists The next question is when will
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Speaker 4: the election be?
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Speaker 1: That's not my next question.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they're not terribly clever questions.
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Speaker 3: And here was Peter Dutten speaking about this interaction.
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Speaker 5: The fact that he can't even answer basic questions, as
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Speaker 5: we saw in the Patricia Carvellers story, this interview this
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Speaker 5: morning demonstrates that the Prime Minister is just not.
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Speaker 10: Up to it.
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Speaker 3: Matt, do you think his reaction to Patricia is a
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Speaker 3: reflection of the bad polls, the sticky inflation, the roadblocks
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Speaker 3: he's seen this week and getting his legislation through the Senate.
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Speaker 3: Do you think all of this is rattling him.
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Speaker 10: It would seem like it.
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Speaker 11: I think actually there might be something deeper here, though, Shari.
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Speaker 11: I think the Prime Minister now the Labor Party, has
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Speaker 11: one eye on minority government and the reason he can't
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Speaker 11: answer simple questions like that is he's keeping his options
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Speaker 11: open to negotiate with radical Green, Teal crossbenches to change
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Speaker 11: his policy settings after the election.
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Speaker 10: After you might vote for him and do something completely different.
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Speaker 11: I think Anthony Alberinezi desperately wants to avoid a there
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Speaker 11: will be no carbon tax out of the governor I
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Speaker 11: lead type moment because if he was plain and direct
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Speaker 11: as you would hope your political need is to be
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Speaker 11: right now, that will limit his options after an election.
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Speaker 11: And I think everyone voting at the next veedual election
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Speaker 11: has to realize that you just can't trust the Labor
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Speaker 11: Party and what they say, because after the election they're
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Speaker 11: probably going to have to go and negotiate with Adam
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Speaker 11: Bant with whoever have a teal is the loudest that
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Speaker 11: week and deliver something completely different you thought you were
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Speaker 11: getting if you vote from this next time.
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Speaker 3: Basil is never a good look when a politician snaps
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Speaker 3: at a journalist over their questions, especially a safe ABC journalist.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, the PM only does interviews with
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Speaker 3: journalists that he's friends with or friendly with, or that
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Speaker 3: he likes and socializes with. For the most part, he
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Speaker 3: will not come on this show. You haven't seen him
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Speaker 3: come on this show, I don't think since about twenty eighty.
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Speaker 10: So you're not friends with him. You're not friends.
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Speaker 2: I used to be I used to eat.
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Speaker 3: But the point is he won't sit down for tough questions.
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Speaker 3: He doesn't want to have to handle very tough questions
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Speaker 3: if he knows an interview is going to be antagonistic.
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Speaker 2: He didn't expect this was going to be on the ABC.
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Speaker 3: So, Basil, do you think this indicates that he is
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Speaker 3: feeling the heat?
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Speaker 12: There's absolutely no doubt. Let me lead with this disclaimer.
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Speaker 12: In a recent form of life on Triple and Breakfast,
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Speaker 12: we are a safe haven in Perth for the former
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Speaker 12: leader of the opposition leader and then the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 12: He enjoyed coming on and he did get an easy run,
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Speaker 12: but we weren't trying to score major political points from
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Speaker 12: an interview point of view. We were trying to have
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Speaker 12: a little bit of fun. You know, where the PM's
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Speaker 12: at a labor PM, and this labor PM.
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Speaker 10: If he wanders into.
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Speaker 12: An ABC studio and has a meltdown moment like that,
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Speaker 12: that's not good for him, that's not good for the
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Speaker 12: Labor Party, and that is a very firm indication of
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Speaker 12: where things are at Normally, that would be big tip
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Speaker 12: safe haven. Everything's going to be all right here. If
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Speaker 12: he's emerging from an interview in those surrounds like that.
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Speaker 1: That tells you everything you need to know. Also, you
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Speaker 1: know a.
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Speaker 3: Basil the PM loves FM radio interviews. He probably does
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Speaker 3: them more than any other type.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be great to get.
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Speaker 10: An easy run. Yes, that's right, and they all do.
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Speaker 1: I mean they all do.
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Speaker 12: And I've been on AM and FM and our job
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Speaker 12: as FM radio presenters breakfast.
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Speaker 1: It was too entertained.
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Speaker 12: We weren't trying to nail them on the gotcha moment
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Speaker 12: that changed an election.
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Speaker 1: We were trying to.
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Speaker 12: Find out what they had for dinner, what was in
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Speaker 12: the fridge, where their first date was, where did they
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Speaker 12: have their first kiss.
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Speaker 10: All of that sort of stuff, what's their favorite tailor?
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Speaker 10: You got it would have.
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Speaker 2: Started Matt Canavan, that was all.
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Speaker 12: I think they can show more of their personality.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Matt Canavan that is clearly Alban Ezey has
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Speaker 3: chosen strategy. He feels comfortable in an environment in FM
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Speaker 3: radio where he can have a bit of fun and
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Speaker 3: because he's often not across the policy details, so he
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Speaker 3: can't really handle detailed interviews all the time.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it makes you less smatch fit. I
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Speaker 11: mean I go on the ABC for my sins, and yep,
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Speaker 11: you get a bit of a grilling sometimes, but you've
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Speaker 11: got to be prepared for that, and you've got to
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Speaker 11: be able to defend your own viewpoints and policies. And
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Speaker 11: I think sometimes that you do you do. When you
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Speaker 11: see ab or green politicians getting very affronted by someone
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Speaker 11: disagreeing with them or challenging them, it is because they're
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Speaker 11: so often little challenge. They live in kind of bubbles,
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Speaker 11: inner city places of.
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Speaker 10: Our country and don't really get out enough.
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Speaker 11: I think it'd be great for the promise to get
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Speaker 11: out and talk to real people. So yep, being better
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Speaker 11: if he came on your show and subject to the
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Speaker 11: whole country to a grilling, it might probably happen. But
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Speaker 11: go and talk to real people about their real circumstances.
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Speaker 11: I don't think he's doing enough of that right now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good advice. Now.
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Speaker 3: In the US, Kamala Harris has suffered a bit of
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Speaker 3: a blow to her election campaign after one of America's
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Speaker 3: most powerful unions ruled out endorsing her. And this is
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Speaker 3: the first time in thirty years that the International Brotherhood
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Speaker 3: of Teamsters has failed to endorse a Democratic nominee.
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Speaker 2: So the last time was back in nineteen.
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Speaker 3: Sixty six, Basil, what do you think this says about
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris's campaign strategy? You know, how is she going wrong?
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Speaker 3: That she can't get the union on board?
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Speaker 1: Not a good sign, is it?
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Speaker 12: I mean, if she hasn't got the unions on board,
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Speaker 12: if they can't lock in on her the way that
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Speaker 12: you would expect, and certainly the way history has suggested
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Speaker 12: they would, that is a danger sign. And I guess
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Speaker 12: at the heart of it, it's this lack of certainty
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Speaker 12: around what Kamala Harris will stand for and how she
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Speaker 12: will execute if indeed she becomes the president of the
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Speaker 12: United States. So there's great uncertainty. We know, she hasn't
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Speaker 12: answered a whole lot of questions, she hasn't done many
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Speaker 12: interviews where she's really been pushed. But this would be
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Speaker 12: a major warning sign, a major warning sign, and it
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Speaker 12: does have This could run away, this could form, could
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Speaker 12: produce a cascading effect. So she'll be trying to bring
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Speaker 12: this in. But if you can't get them to commit,
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Speaker 12: well you are in a spot of.
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Speaker 3: Bother here, Matt Kin about how do you reckon the
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Speaker 3: US election is looking at the moment, who would you
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Speaker 3: put your odds.
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Speaker 11: On Yeah, I put them on Trump. I think that
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Speaker 11: pole you've mentioned demonstrates the major points the prism through
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Speaker 11: which I'm looking at this election, and that is it's
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Speaker 11: not really a national election. It's an election that cuts
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Speaker 11: across mostly Midwest states in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona,
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Speaker 11: Nevada too.
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Speaker 10: But all of those states are.
21:16
Speaker 11: Really a good fit for a very liberal, left wing
21:20
Speaker 11: senator from San Francisco. And I think the most interesting
21:23
Speaker 11: thing about that teams to poll was that when they
21:25
Speaker 11: held some town hall straw polls earlier in the year,
21:28
Speaker 11: Biden was actually backed over Trump by the teams, by
21:31
Speaker 11: those teams to members, by the union members, and that's
21:35
Speaker 11: completely reversed since they've changed to Kamla. And I just
21:39
Speaker 11: don't think the change is actually smart for the Democratic Party.
21:41
Speaker 11: She's not a good fit for the states that matter
21:43
Speaker 11: at a presidential election.
21:45
Speaker 3: So your tip is Donald Trump, but it is looking
21:48
Speaker 3: very close. Bazil, just quickly before we go, what do
21:51
Speaker 3: you reckon this far out?
21:53
Speaker 12: Well, look, if Kamala had to come on triple M perth,
21:56
Speaker 12: we would have given.
21:56
Speaker 1: Her a tough time.
21:57
Speaker 10: Just to y think she's looking for the Triple m
22:01
Speaker 10: Perth interview.
22:02
Speaker 12: At the moment, she's not going to get it, but
22:04
Speaker 12: maybe that's what she's looking for.
22:06
Speaker 2: She's just waiting for them.
22:08
Speaker 12: Then.
22:10
Speaker 3: All right, Matt Caravan, Basil Sampliss, Great to see.
22:13
Speaker 2: You both now.
22:15
Speaker 3: Just as we were awed by the targeted pager attack, overnight,
22:19
Speaker 3: a second wave of explosions targeted Hesbela members terrorists. This
22:24
Speaker 3: time thousands of walkie talkies carried by the terror group
22:28
Speaker 3: blew up. It's been reported that it killed at least
22:32
Speaker 3: twenty people, although there are senior figures who are speculating
22:36
Speaker 3: that the true figure is much higher and Hesbela isn't
22:40
Speaker 3: being being transparent about this. Israeli Defense Minister Jav Gallant
22:45
Speaker 3: announced a new phase of the war. He says he
22:47
Speaker 3: wants Israelis displaced from the north to be able to
22:50
Speaker 3: return home.
22:52
Speaker 14: I appreciate that we are at the beginning of a
22:54
Speaker 14: new era in this war and we need to adapt ourselves.
22:57
Speaker 14: This is true for everyone, certainly for those who are
23:00
Speaker 14: in the air or control what is in the air,
23:03
Speaker 14: because the position here is stronger.
23:06
Speaker 3: So that will be the strategy now moving forward, with
23:09
Speaker 3: resources shifting to the north of Israel. There are also unconfirmed,
23:14
Speaker 3: unconfirmed reports that the original pager attack was brought forward
23:18
Speaker 3: over concerns that HESBLA had uncovered the operation or had
23:23
Speaker 3: become suspicious about their devices.
23:25
Speaker 2: As I say, those are.
23:27
Speaker 3: Unconfirmed reports, and now journalists have started to trace the
23:31
Speaker 3: pathway of the pages from Taiwan to Lebanton in an
23:36
Speaker 3: effort to work out when and where they were intercepted,
23:39
Speaker 3: presumably by Mossat. There's mystery now around the manufacturer of
23:44
Speaker 3: the pages, BAC Consulting, located in Budapest. The business address
23:49
Speaker 3: listed seems to be Affront. It's only used reportedly as
23:53
Speaker 3: a postal address. Now for more on this incredible operation,
23:57
Speaker 3: I'm joined by Deacon University Global Islami Politics Chair, Professor
24:01
Speaker 3: Greg Barton. Welcome to the program now, Professor. Five months ago,
24:06
Speaker 3: HASBILA leader Nazraala first told members to stop using their
24:11
Speaker 3: mobile phones. So do you think this is when the
24:16
Speaker 3: planning of this attack, presumably by Musad, first began.
24:21
Speaker 15: Yeah, sure, it certainly goes back early in the year.
24:23
Speaker 15: That most significant speech from Hassan Nasola was in February.
24:29
Speaker 15: He said, if you're worried about Israeli spies. The Israeli
24:32
Speaker 15: spies in your pocket, it's your mobile phone. Get rid
24:34
Speaker 15: of them. We can't use mobile phones that have got
24:36
Speaker 15: into our network. They can go locate you, they can
24:39
Speaker 15: record your conversations. So that was February, and apparently these
24:43
Speaker 15: pages came in a batch five months ago, so they
24:45
Speaker 15: woult have put out in order and trying to organize
24:48
Speaker 15: it so they could make that switch. And at the
24:50
Speaker 15: same time, apparently they also got a batch of walkie talkies.
24:53
Speaker 15: We don't know where they came from. And as you
24:56
Speaker 15: were saying, this front company in Budapest doesn't have the
24:59
Speaker 15: capacity to manufacturer. It had paid for a license with
25:02
Speaker 15: gold Apollo, the Taiwanese company, to manufacture the pages, but
25:05
Speaker 15: doesn't have manufacturing facilities as far as we can determine,
25:08
Speaker 15: I mean to be frank, it rather looks as if
25:10
Speaker 15: Mossad made these pages on the gold Apollo design so
25:16
Speaker 15: they wouldn't be detected, planted small amounts ten twenty grams
25:19
Speaker 15: of military grade explosives and a triggering circuit in a
25:24
Speaker 15: way that wasn't easily detected. And as you said, apparently
25:27
Speaker 15: there was It seems possible that there was some suspicion
25:30
Speaker 15: about these devices, and this operation was brought forward. It
25:33
Speaker 15: was thought the reason for the operation was as a
25:36
Speaker 15: prelude to a military campaign, so a psychological blow, but
25:39
Speaker 15: also a way of unhinging a terrorist network that is
25:44
Speaker 15: a very highly networked organization that depends on people turning
25:47
Speaker 15: up and playing close at a moment's notice. When they
25:49
Speaker 15: get a message, we'll take away that messaging. And that's
25:51
Speaker 15: very hard to his pilot of work in the way
25:53
Speaker 15: that it's used to.
25:55
Speaker 3: What does it say when we hear that the Iranian
25:59
Speaker 3: envoy had a Hesbla pager? What does that say about
26:02
Speaker 3: the Iranian envoys links to Hesbela.
26:05
Speaker 15: Well, I think it comes as no surprise to anyone
26:08
Speaker 15: watching this. His Bula is a proxy of Iran. Iran
26:12
Speaker 15: supplies much of its technology and weaponry. Of course, it's
26:15
Speaker 15: easier for Iran to get material to his Bola in
26:17
Speaker 15: Lebanon than it is to get stuff into harmas the
26:21
Speaker 15: other proxy in the Gaza strip, but it was doing
26:23
Speaker 15: that as well, so really comes as no surprise. But
26:26
Speaker 15: it is a very public information that this is as
26:29
Speaker 15: much as anything a proxy war involving Iran and his Bulla.
26:32
Speaker 15: As a proxy force. That's not to say that Liberanese
26:34
Speaker 15: politics don't count for anything and that Hisbola doesn't make
26:36
Speaker 15: its own choices, but you know, Iran Tehran is certainly
26:41
Speaker 15: standing there in the background and will play a key
26:43
Speaker 15: role in what happens next.
26:45
Speaker 3: I read a report today that at one funeral in Beirut,
26:48
Speaker 3: attendees were asked to turn off their phones and actually
26:52
Speaker 3: take out the batteries. So apart from the terrorist that
26:56
Speaker 3: it has already injured or killed, it shows that this
26:59
Speaker 3: attack definitely has an ongoing psychological element to it. You know,
27:03
Speaker 3: they're all paranoid now, they don't feel safe.
27:07
Speaker 15: Yeah, this was a syops operation as much as anything.
27:09
Speaker 15: It was a major intelligence espionage breakthrough his buller's compromise.
27:14
Speaker 15: So that's embarrassing but also deeply destabilizing for them. And
27:19
Speaker 15: then the fact that they don't know which devices have
27:21
Speaker 15: been compromised means they can't rely on any of their
27:25
Speaker 15: communication devices, any of the electronics, and of course, you know,
27:27
Speaker 15: in the modern age, digital technologies everywhere. So we're getting
27:31
Speaker 15: unconfirmed reports that apart from the walkie talkies, there are
27:33
Speaker 15: other electronic devices blowing up today in Lebanon, so that
27:37
Speaker 15: is very destabilizing and the people of Lebanon, you know,
27:40
Speaker 15: many who don't like his bull I don't support his
27:42
Speaker 15: bulla of living through hell on Earth when it comes
27:45
Speaker 15: to a failure economy, failing politics, and this just adds
27:48
Speaker 15: to their sense of hopelessness, so that it plays against
27:53
Speaker 15: his below's power. It may have the perverse effect of
27:56
Speaker 15: actually having a rally around the flag effect and giving
27:59
Speaker 15: some support for an unpopped group is below, but let's
28:01
Speaker 15: hope that's not the case.
28:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, Just before you go, how humiliating is this
28:07
Speaker 3: for Hasbilah.
28:09
Speaker 15: It's deeply humiliating. So there is that loss of face,
28:11
Speaker 15: the sense that they've got to do something to stand up.
28:15
Speaker 15: But it's also more than just an embarrassment. They've got
28:19
Speaker 15: people in their ranks who are compromised, and there's going
28:22
Speaker 15: to be an awful witch hunt, and of course those
28:24
Speaker 15: witch hunts often go badly wrong, so it's likely to
28:27
Speaker 15: have an impact way beyond. You know, there may be
28:29
Speaker 15: a handful of middle ranking senior people compromised, there's likely
28:33
Speaker 15: to be dozens purged, there's likely to a lot of mistrust.
28:36
Speaker 15: It does make them for the time being at least
28:39
Speaker 15: less able to operate. Not doesn't incapacitate them, but it
28:42
Speaker 15: distabilizes them, and that's why this was seen as perhaps
28:46
Speaker 15: a prelionto military action.
28:47
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Professor Greg Barton, thank you really appreciate
28:51
Speaker 3: your insights on what has been a completely extraordinary intelligence
28:54
Speaker 3: operation this week.
28:56
Speaker 2: It's flawed all of us.
28:58
Speaker 3: Now after the break, all eyes on the Higme Minister,
29:00
Speaker 3: after the first US rate cut in four years, plus
29:05
Speaker 3: immigration and ideology causing our housing woes. We unpack Australia's
29:09
Speaker 3: housing crisis as the ABS announces our population has surpassed
29:14
Speaker 3: twenty seven million due to the sloan Will join me
29:18
Speaker 3: after the break?
29:23
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
29:23
Speaker 3: Well, the US Central Bank has cut interest rates for
29:27
Speaker 3: the first time in four years. It's reduced the cash
29:30
Speaker 3: rate by half a percentage point. The question now is
29:34
Speaker 3: will our own Reserve Bank follow suit? Well, here was
29:37
Speaker 3: the Treasurer Jim Charmers this morning.
29:40
Speaker 16: Global economy is a pretty uncertain place. That's one of
29:43
Speaker 16: the reasons why we're seeing these rate cuts in places
29:46
Speaker 16: like the US. When it comes to the Australian situation,
29:50
Speaker 16: we've got inflation coming off pretty substantially. The Reserve Bank
29:54
Speaker 16: will weigh that up.
29:56
Speaker 3: In other words, it doesn't look like we're going to
29:58
Speaker 3: have a rate cut in Australia until well into next year. Meanwhile,
30:03
Speaker 3: an increase in overseas migration has caused Australia's population to
30:07
Speaker 3: exceed twenty seven million for the first time. This, of course,
30:11
Speaker 3: isn't helping the housing crisis. Here was Opposition leader Peter
30:15
Speaker 3: Dutton speaking about this.
30:17
Speaker 5: It's just not heading down, Like why does the government
30:19
Speaker 5: say this? They keep projecting that the numbers will come off.
30:22
Speaker 15: They don't.
30:22
Speaker 5: They keep increasing every quarter and there are nine hundred
30:25
Speaker 5: and twenty four thousand people who have come in since
30:27
Speaker 5: this government was elected. They promised that there would be
30:31
Speaker 5: housing for people who are coming in. You can't massively
30:34
Speaker 5: increase the migration program and they're not increase housing and
30:38
Speaker 5: this is why Australians can't afford to buy a home.
30:41
Speaker 3: All right, let's bring in now economist and columnist at
30:44
Speaker 3: The Australian Jude At Sloan Judith. Great to see you again.
30:47
Speaker 3: Let's start with those comments that Peter Dutton just made.
30:51
Speaker 3: So we've seen the population hit twenty seven million people
30:54
Speaker 3: in Australia. Figures show nearly a million people have come
30:59
Speaker 3: in since the Albaneze government took office. The housing crisis
31:03
Speaker 3: is critical. So what do you see as as the
31:07
Speaker 3: bigger picture here?
31:11
Speaker 17: Well, I think the bigger picture here is the failure
31:13
Speaker 17: of the government to do what it said it would do,
31:16
Speaker 17: which was to try and wind back the migrant intake. So,
31:20
Speaker 17: for example, according to Treasury, we were going to have
31:23
Speaker 17: three hundred and seventy five net migrants over last financial year.
31:28
Speaker 17: Now it's very clear we've got three quarters of the
31:32
Speaker 17: figures in the locker and we're almost up to that
31:35
Speaker 17: three ninety five, so we are going to probably go
31:39
Speaker 17: closer to another half a million. So basically we are
31:44
Speaker 17: allowing the population to grow too rapidly. But within that
31:48
Speaker 17: that is almost entirely due to immigration, right, So it's
31:52
Speaker 17: over eighty percent of the increase in the population, which
31:56
Speaker 17: as you say, is now over twenty seven million, is
31:59
Speaker 17: because of him. So you know, they say they want
32:03
Speaker 17: to restrict the numbers, they're putting caps on, changing the rules,
32:08
Speaker 17: but you just can't see it in the figures.
32:11
Speaker 3: And there is a problem the housing crisis to a
32:13
Speaker 3: certain extent. I mean, you write in your column in
32:16
Speaker 3: the Australian that really housing construction is responsibility ultimately of
32:21
Speaker 3: the private sector. There's also a role for state and
32:24
Speaker 3: local governments approving das. But yet the Albanezy government has
32:28
Speaker 3: claimed ownership of this issue. It's now so many schemes
32:31
Speaker 3: promising to build hundreds of thousands of homes, not one
32:35
Speaker 3: house has been built. So this is a political fight
32:39
Speaker 3: that the Prime Minister chose, but he hasn't delivered on it.
32:46
Speaker 17: Well, they said the target, So the target is one
32:48
Speaker 17: point two billion new homes in a five year period.
32:52
Speaker 17: Now setting a target is actually not a policy, it's
32:55
Speaker 17: just setting a target, right, and I think everyone in
32:58
Speaker 17: the know says, well, that target won't be met. But
33:02
Speaker 17: the thing I object to mostly is this, which is
33:06
Speaker 17: they say, oh, this is essentially a supply problem, but
33:10
Speaker 17: it is actually both a supply and a demand problem,
33:14
Speaker 17: and they have allowed the population to grow too rapidly
33:17
Speaker 17: and the people, I mean, it's not their fault, but
33:20
Speaker 17: people coming in need somewhere to live. And there is
33:23
Speaker 17: no way the private sector, even under the most flexible
33:27
Speaker 17: and ideal arrangements, could have built a sufficient number of
33:31
Speaker 17: new homes to accommodate those numbers. So it is supply
33:35
Speaker 17: and demand and you know, it's a train wreck shorry
33:40
Speaker 17: to tell you the truth. And I think, certainly in
33:42
Speaker 17: my state of Victoria, I think it is a real
33:45
Speaker 17: political vulnerability for the state government and probably in New
33:49
Speaker 17: South Wales as well.
33:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, and vulnerability for the prime minister as well. Let's
33:53
Speaker 3: turn to the rate cut in the United Absolutely, yeah,
33:56
Speaker 3: let's turn to the rate cut in the United States.
33:58
Speaker 2: We knew this was coming.
34:00
Speaker 3: But Judith, is this rate cut a reflection of the
34:02
Speaker 3: fact that the US raised rates more aggressively than Australia
34:07
Speaker 3: did and faster, or is it that they're tackling inflation
34:11
Speaker 3: better than where.
34:16
Speaker 1: Well.
34:16
Speaker 17: I think both ab and easy and charmers are wrong
34:19
Speaker 17: on this. You know, they are trying to say this
34:22
Speaker 17: is because of uncertain global conditions and weakness in the
34:26
Speaker 17: US economy. The US economy is actually pretty strong, the unemployment.
34:31
Speaker 2: Rate is still pretty low.
34:33
Speaker 17: There is really no real risk of it heading into recession.
34:37
Speaker 17: But the secret source over there is the fact that
34:40
Speaker 17: they've had strong productivity growth and with their very tight
34:44
Speaker 17: monetary policy, they've been able to get the inflation rate
34:48
Speaker 17: down to about two and a half percent, so that
34:50
Speaker 17: is within their target band. Now, the contrast with Australia
34:54
Speaker 17: is that inflation is still running at like three point
34:57
Speaker 17: eight to four percent. Now we need to get it
35:00
Speaker 17: firmly within the two to three percent band in order
35:05
Speaker 17: for the Reserve Bank to be convinced that it will
35:07
Speaker 17: reduce the cash rates and then the mortgage rates. So,
35:11
Speaker 17: you know, I do think there was a lot of
35:13
Speaker 17: double talk going on today about this. I think the
35:17
Speaker 17: US did exhibit better conduct of monetary policy, but you know,
35:23
Speaker 17: there were some other important factors. And it's not because
35:26
Speaker 17: the US economy is a weak. It's certainly not weak
35:29
Speaker 17: relative to US. Don't forget Shari. In the recent National accounts,
35:33
Speaker 17: our economy was only growing byzero point two percent, which
35:36
Speaker 17: is really bumping along.
35:38
Speaker 2: Them basically on life support.
35:40
Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, exactly on life support right.
35:44
Speaker 17: Capita terms of course, it's it's.
35:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in a per capita recession. This is why
35:50
Speaker 3: households are feeling it. Judah Sloane, really appreciate your time,
35:53
Speaker 3: thank you. After the break, could Australia's boozy culture becoming
35:58
Speaker 3: to an end? New Dark shows the younger generation don't
36:02
Speaker 3: have the taste for alcohol that the boomers do.
36:05
Speaker 2: We'll discuss that next.
36:06
Speaker 3: Plus Dave Sharma takes on the A and U after
36:09
Speaker 3: its weak response, returning a pro hermusk student.
36:13
Speaker 2: That's all coming up, welcome back.
36:18
Speaker 15: Well.
36:18
Speaker 3: According to data from the National Drug and Alcohol Research Center,
36:22
Speaker 3: more and more Australians under the age of thirty are
36:25
Speaker 3: saying no to alcohol and this is a huge change
36:28
Speaker 3: in the Australian drinking culture. Senior columnist Jennie O Dowd
36:32
Speaker 3: wrote a fascinating article looking at the difference in generational
36:36
Speaker 3: attitudes towards booze and drinking, and she wrote how society
36:40
Speaker 3: not only normalizes excessive drinking, but also makes it difficult
36:44
Speaker 3: for anyone trying to pull back or abstain. From a
36:48
Speaker 3: Sunday Telegraph editor and columnist for The Nightly, Jenio Dowd
36:51
Speaker 3: joins me, now, Jenny, great to see you again.
36:55
Speaker 2: So what does the.
36:55
Speaker 3: Data tell us about this generational shift in alcohol consumption.
37:00
Speaker 18: Well, the data is really fascinating, Shari.
37:02
Speaker 13: It shows that the drinking levels in Australia are at
37:08
Speaker 13: their lowest since the nineteen sixties and this level has
37:11
Speaker 13: been driven by people under thirty.
37:14
Speaker 18: So the levels for middle Asian elderly people.
37:17
Speaker 13: Have actually stayed the same or they're increasing, but younger
37:20
Speaker 13: people are bringing down our national levels. And a decade ago,
37:25
Speaker 13: the average age for someone to have their first drink
37:28
Speaker 13: was fourteen, and now it's sixteen or seventeen, so that
37:32
Speaker 13: is also increasing.
37:33
Speaker 3: And what are the reasons behind this? Why the younger
37:36
Speaker 3: generation choosing not.
37:37
Speaker 13: To drink, Well, I think they're still drinking, Shari. The
37:41
Speaker 13: younger generation are very savvy, Like we're in a world
37:44
Speaker 13: of information. You can get everything at your fingertips, so
37:48
Speaker 13: they know what they should be doing to eat properly,
37:51
Speaker 13: they know what they should be doing to exercise properly.
37:54
Speaker 13: They know how much they should be doing to drink,
37:58
Speaker 13: to drink reasonably. They know that if they go on
38:01
Speaker 13: constant binges like we did thirty or not you and
38:04
Speaker 13: me thirty years ago, what it does to their body.
38:08
Speaker 13: They are just a smarter generation.
38:10
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I'd be inclined to speculate that this
38:13
Speaker 3: is because drug and pill use has increased, and we've
38:17
Speaker 3: seen that debate in Victoria, New South Wales about you know,
38:20
Speaker 3: not saying no to drugs but having pill testing at
38:23
Speaker 3: the festivals. I strongly disagree with that. By the way,
38:26
Speaker 3: you know, I grew up in the generation where Anna
38:29
Speaker 3: Wood died from a yeah, and so the message I
38:33
Speaker 3: think was so much cleaner and easier to just say
38:36
Speaker 3: no to drugs.
38:36
Speaker 2: They're dangerous.
38:37
Speaker 3: And I worry about the message now where the premiere
38:40
Speaker 3: is a kind of considering blurring it by saying it
38:43
Speaker 3: might be okay because you can test the pills to
38:45
Speaker 3: see if they're not harmful. What do you think about
38:48
Speaker 3: about this being as part of the reason why alcohol
38:52
Speaker 3: use is coming.
38:53
Speaker 13: Down, Well, Shary, I'm not going to sit here and
38:55
Speaker 13: say young people aren't taking drugs, because clearly they are,
38:59
Speaker 13: and there is a certain percentage you are and always will.
39:04
Speaker 13: But interestingly, that data that you quoted before from the
39:07
Speaker 13: Australian National Drug Center also found in the last decade
39:12
Speaker 13: that young people taking marijuana and pills has dropped, and
39:15
Speaker 13: that is still dropping. I think young people are just
39:18
Speaker 13: getting more and more aware than my generation.
39:22
Speaker 3: It's interesting because the drinking culture was very much a
39:25
Speaker 3: part of not just shot social events, but the workplace
39:29
Speaker 3: culture as well, and now there's all these new HR
39:32
Speaker 3: rules that kind of in the end, stop drinking, because
39:36
Speaker 3: bad behavior happens when there's alcohol around.
39:39
Speaker 18: When you have too much to drink.
39:40
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, back in the day when I first started work,
39:43
Speaker 13: it was quite normal to go out for a too
39:46
Speaker 13: or through our boozy lunch with your colleagues, and you'd
39:49
Speaker 13: leave your jacket behind your chair, so people still thought
39:52
Speaker 13: that in the office you'd come back. It was very
39:55
Speaker 13: normal and expected to go and have drinks for the
39:58
Speaker 13: boss after work in the pub, and you're also expected
40:01
Speaker 13: to take clients out for long and boozy dinners, and
40:04
Speaker 13: often these dinners ended up in the local karaoke bar.
40:07
Speaker 13: You'd stagger into work after a few hours sleep, absolutely hungover,
40:12
Speaker 13: but you wore it as a badger honor.
40:14
Speaker 18: Like people were quite proud of.
40:15
Speaker 13: You, like like well done, like you know, you're a
40:18
Speaker 13: good drinker, and it was very hard to say no
40:21
Speaker 13: or to cut down.
40:23
Speaker 2: I have to say.
40:23
Speaker 3: The first time I had a bit too much to
40:25
Speaker 3: drink was that your farewell from the Sunday Telegraph, the
40:29
Speaker 3: day when you left an editor. But no, I have
40:31
Speaker 3: this vivid memory as well on Friday afternoons when you
40:34
Speaker 3: were trying to get the paper together, of you walking
40:36
Speaker 3: around the newsroom and checking that the chief of staff
40:40
Speaker 3: and the news editor didn't have alcohol. In their coffee cups,
40:43
Speaker 3: and often they did, and you would be furious about it.
40:46
Speaker 18: I remember, it's so clearly. Yeah, it was a big habit.
40:49
Speaker 13: It was a big habit to go out back in
40:50
Speaker 13: those days, to go out and have a long lunch.
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Speaker 18: And yeah, and absolutely I'll try.
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Speaker 2: To change that, all right, Jenny, Dad, thanks so much
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Speaker 2: for your time.
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Speaker 18: Pleasure.
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Speaker 3: Now after the break and A and you student expelled
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Speaker 3: for being a harmask sympathizer is now running for student president.
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Speaker 3: This is a disgrace. And I'll tell you how Dave
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Speaker 3: Sharma is taking on A and U next. Plus, the
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Speaker 3: pressure mounts are now been easy to preference the Greens.
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Speaker 3: Last Darren Barnette and Gary Hargrave would join me next.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's bring in now our next panel, Sky
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Speaker 3: News contributor Gary Hargrave and Julia Gillard's former press secretary
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Speaker 3: Darren Barnette. Welcome both of you. Now let's talk about.
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Speaker 2: The A and U situation.
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Speaker 3: Now we know the university expelled former student Beatrice Tucker
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Speaker 3: for her comments on the ABC supporting HERMAS, but then
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Speaker 3: bizarrely her expulsion was overturned by the university and not
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Speaker 3: only is she back at A and U, but she's
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Speaker 3: now running to be president of the student association under
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Speaker 3: a globalized the Resistance for Palestine ticket. Now this capitulation
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Speaker 3: by A Andu has sparkedge and I can reveal that
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Speaker 3: Liberal Senator Dave Sharma has written to the Vice chancellor
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Speaker 3: demanding answers, and I understand that in his letter, Sharma
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Speaker 3: says that Tucker believes the expulsion was overturned thanks to
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Speaker 3: a petition signing campaign and political pressure. Sharma's now demanding
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Speaker 3: that the UNI explain how the appeals process was applied
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Speaker 3: and he's looking for assurances that they are taking anti
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Speaker 3: Semitism seriously on campus.
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Speaker 2: Gary.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is quite a serious issue where someone
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Speaker 3: who has declared on the radio support for terror organization
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Speaker 3: can become a student leader at a prestigious institution, and.
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Speaker 19: It reflects on everyone who goes to that prestigious institution,
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Speaker 19: in fact reflects on Australia. And the point here is
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Speaker 19: while may well have been overturned by whatever appeal process,
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Speaker 19: and Dave Sharma's right to be chasing this down Shari,
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Speaker 19: the simple reality is reputations are risk here, and I
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Speaker 19: mean reputations for the university. Reputations for Australia to have
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Speaker 19: somebody who is so overtly backing a terrorist organization at
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Speaker 19: a time of this enormous international conflict. Look, you know,
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Speaker 19: I hope the student body realized that if they choose her,
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Speaker 19: they're going to damage them. And it's going to mean
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Speaker 19: that any future employer is going to look and say, ah,
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Speaker 19: so you were at the A and U when this
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Speaker 19: woman got elected president of the student body.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to help any of them.
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Speaker 19: It's not going to help any of them from a
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Speaker 19: career reputation point of view. And Hamas is an evil organization.
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Speaker 19: Hamas is not supported by most of the Muslim world either. Shari,
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Speaker 19: this is not something that we should be associated with.
43:44
Speaker 19: Got it comes to some common sense. I hope the
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Speaker 19: A and YOU can act, but we'll see.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's a problem.
43:50
Speaker 3: Now let's move to this new survey by KPMG. They're
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Speaker 3: revealing that more and more bosses are expecting white collar
43:57
Speaker 3: workers to return to the office full time over the
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Speaker 3: next three years.
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Speaker 2: Darren, do you think the.
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Speaker 3: Days of flexible working arrangements that we saw really kick
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Speaker 3: off during the pandemic are now coming to an end?
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Speaker 3: That buses are starting to demand people return to the office.
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Speaker 20: I think that when there's a team approach to problem
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Speaker 20: solving in the workplace, having everybody at work shoulders to
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Speaker 20: the wheel, they can find each other quickly rather than
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Speaker 20: relying on when an email bon't be returned. I think
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Speaker 20: that it does make sense that people are in the
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Speaker 20: same workplace. But equally, if you do similar work to
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Speaker 20: what I do, which is a consultancy, I don't need
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Speaker 20: an office and I can keep my costs lower by
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Speaker 20: working from home and being in the cities I need
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Speaker 20: to be on an ongoing basis, but my work is
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Speaker 20: a little bit unique. But for those workplaces that rely
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Speaker 20: on people working together all of the time, we're going
44:56
Speaker 20: to see more and more people being a blig to
45:00
Speaker 20: come back to work. There will be incentives to do so.
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Speaker 20: But I think that we're going to see a return
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Speaker 20: to normal in the next couple of years.
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Speaker 3: I think, particularly in the public service Gary, there's a
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Speaker 3: lot of resistance to coming back to the office.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what a pain actually have to get dressed go
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Speaker 1: to work, you know. I mean, but Darren is right.
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Speaker 19: I mean the interaction thing, the social skills, the things
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Speaker 19: that people lose by them not actually being in the
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Speaker 19: same workplace. And you know, for a couple of years
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Speaker 19: there during COVID, I never went to the Sky office
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Speaker 19: in Sydney and I'm in Brisbane and I actually went
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Speaker 19: down and met people I've been working with for years, Shari,
45:37
Speaker 19: So I got it. I understood it, and the idea
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Speaker 19: of actually being in a workplace Like Darren, I do
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Speaker 19: a lot of my work over the mobile phone and
45:44
Speaker 19: through zoom zoom meetings, so the mass the meetings. But
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Speaker 19: I love being back in workplaces. I love interacting with
45:51
Speaker 19: you know, good people in workplaces, and it's really important
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Speaker 19: that people don't lose those skills.
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Speaker 1: Really important.
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Speaker 3: I think there's advantages and disadvantages to both. And it
45:59
Speaker 3: can be very very lonely working from home. But on
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Speaker 3: the other hand, if you're a mum, the flexible working
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Speaker 3: arrangements mean that you can get.
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Speaker 2: Back to work sooner.
46:08
Speaker 3: Now Victorian taxpayers are coughing up more than two hundred
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Speaker 3: million dollars to get out of hosting the twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: six comm Games, and Scotland is laughing all the way
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Speaker 3: to the bang scoring not only a free games, but
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Speaker 3: all of the economic advantages that come with it.
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Speaker 2: Darren God this is one of the biggest.
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Speaker 3: Stuff ups by the Daniel Andrews fom of government, isn't it.
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Speaker 20: I've got to say these are stuff up. There's no
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Speaker 20: two ways about that.
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Speaker 10: That.
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Speaker 20: Look, I suspect that the contracts that they signed, I
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Speaker 20: don't think Victoria would have had the option of doing
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Speaker 20: a watered down games in the way that Gladsgow is
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Speaker 20: likely to do. I think it would have been an
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Speaker 20: all in and a very very expensive all in. But equally,
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Speaker 20: if you sign the dotted line, you have to follow
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Speaker 20: through on what you've signed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 3: Look, they're going to have to work quickly though, Gary
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Speaker 3: to get ready for just less than two years.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, but it's going to be only thirteen events. Apparently
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Speaker 19: I don't know where the lawn bowls is in it,
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Speaker 19: so maybe the Northfolk Island team won't been.
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Speaker 1: Coming over there.
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Speaker 19: But you know, people in Brisbane are actually saying the
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Speaker 19: twenty thirty two Olympics is going to cost too much,
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Speaker 19: so we should cancel it.
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Speaker 1: No way, you don't want this reputation.
47:19
Speaker 19: You want to be the country that delivers on sporting
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Speaker 19: and I'm so shattered, I mean, being thirty eight percent Scottish.
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Speaker 19: I'm delighted for the Glaswegians, but I gotta say I
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Speaker 19: am shattered that Melbourne mucked it up like this so badly.
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Speaker 1: Daniel Andrews, hang your head in Shane.
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Speaker 3: It is embarrassing. Look as long as there's no break
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Speaker 3: dancing at the Common Games and I think Australia will
47:41
Speaker 3: be fine.
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Speaker 1: Now, can I just.
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Speaker 20: Say very quickly I I covered the lawn bowls for
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Speaker 20: AAP the two thousand and six Melbourne Commonwealth Games and
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Speaker 20: it was wonderful. I'm sure I've never had a bit
47:53
Speaker 20: of time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you.
47:54
Speaker 3: Go, ribthing, I go very quickly before we go. Speculation
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Speaker 3: is ramping up, of course, over what the Labor government
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Speaker 3: is going to do, whether it preferences the Greens at
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Speaker 3: the next election or not.
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Speaker 2: Gary.
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Speaker 3: How can the Prime Minister stand up every day and
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Speaker 3: attack the Greens but still preference the party.
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Speaker 19: Well he was into our ear back in the mid
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Speaker 19: nineties when Darren was still in the media gallery. But
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Speaker 19: I was in the Parliament and let me tell you,
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Speaker 19: he was into our ear, telling us he wanted the
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Speaker 19: Greens to go last to save his bacon in his electorates.
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Speaker 19: So I think we just need the nineteen ninety eight
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Speaker 19: version of albow back because the Greens are really bad news.
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Speaker 19: They are destroying Australia. They are destroying Australia before our
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Speaker 19: very eyes, and Labour should not be cowtelling to them.
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Speaker 19: They should not be letting them into the game. So
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Speaker 19: preference them last. The Liberals do the same, and we
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Speaker 19: might clean Australia up a bit ten seconds.
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Speaker 20: Darren will whether or not whether or not they preferenced
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Speaker 20: them last. A really cautionary tale at the weekend was
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Speaker 20: local government elections in Waverley, where the Liberals now have
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Speaker 20: complete control of that council, and a big part of
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Speaker 20: the reason is because Labor preferenced the Greens.
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Speaker 3: All right, we're out of time. Thank you both, gentlemen.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you on Monday at eight o'clock. Here's poor Marie.