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Dylan Redwine's dad charged with murdering son during court-ordered visit · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph
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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. The thirteen year old Monument Boy
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Speaker 1: disappeared while on a court ordered visit to his father's
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Speaker 1: house over the Thanksgiving holiday two thousand twelve. I didn't
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Speaker 1: lose Dylan, and why is he gone? That's the question
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Speaker 1: we all haven't asked. But nobody, you have to ask
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Speaker 1: that question. You hadn't him? Where is he? Dylan's remains
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Speaker 1: were found several months after he disappeared, just about ten
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Speaker 1: miles from his father's home. Mark red Wine had long
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Speaker 1: been considered a person of interest in this case, but
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Speaker 1: he suggested his ex wife, Elaine, had something to do
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Speaker 1: with it. I have suspicions that Elaine could be involved
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Speaker 1: in this. Mark red Wine is in custody and will
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Speaker 1: face charges in the death of his son Dylan. Dylan's
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Speaker 1: blood was found in multiple locations of Mark red Wine's
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Speaker 1: living room. Some say this is a shocker, but others
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Speaker 1: say this has been a long time coming. Oh, it
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Speaker 1: was a custody battle. Royale. Let me tell you the
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Speaker 1: boy did not want to go visit his dad. He
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Speaker 1: did not want to go. But you know what cooler
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Speaker 1: hads prevailed, and he went to go visit his dad.
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Speaker 1: Now he went to spend the night, and the following morning,
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Speaker 1: Dad gets up to go run errands, you know, laundry
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Speaker 1: and so forth comes back. Dylan, his little boy is gone.
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Speaker 1: He thinks he's gone skateboarding or hanging out with his
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Speaker 1: friends up and down the street. Finally he says his
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Speaker 1: son is missing, and a search like no other ensues.
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Speaker 1: I am referring to a beautiful, beautiful little boy, Dylan
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Speaker 1: red Wine. Dylan was not missing. Dylan was murdered. I
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories, and today a man
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Speaker 1: major break in a case that has baffled investigators and
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Speaker 1: police ever since Dylan went missing. And with me is
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Speaker 1: a woman I respect deeply and have thought of, I
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Speaker 1: have prayed for for so long. Dylan's mother, Elaine Hall,
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Speaker 1: is with me. Also with me my friend and colleague,
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Speaker 1: Director of the Cold Case Institute, Cheryl McCollum. Today we
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Speaker 1: report major news. There is a break in the Dylan
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Speaker 1: red Wine case. And that is and rest Elaine. Do
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Speaker 1: you remember the moment that you learned Dylan was missing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's It's probably one of the most relived moments in
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Speaker 1: my head of all the time what happened. Um, Well,
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Speaker 1: Dylan was went on a plane ride to his father's
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Speaker 1: house on Sunday, and the next day at four thirty,
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Speaker 1: around four thirty, Mark texted me and asked me if
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Speaker 1: I had seen Dylan, and I said no, and he said, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, he didn't know where he was. So I
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Speaker 1: got in my car and we drove to Durango, which
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Speaker 1: is about six hours away from where we're living, and
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Speaker 1: I called the sheriff and filed a missing person's report
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Speaker 1: for Dylan because if dad had not done that, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I don't understand this, okay, because I can't even imagine
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Speaker 1: what would go through my mind if my child is
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Speaker 1: supposed to be somewhere and that person calls and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: have you seen Lucy? What she's with you? So what
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Speaker 1: did you think when you got the text? Have you
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Speaker 1: seen Dylan? Obviously I was very concerned because you know,
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Speaker 1: Dylan was not the kind of kid who would just
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Speaker 1: wander off or you know, leave without at least letting
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Speaker 1: me or his brother Corey. Now, um, we were very
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Speaker 1: close to him. And so when Mark had indicated that
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Speaker 1: he had not heard from Dylan and I had not
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Speaker 1: heard from Dylan. I I was very very obviously, very
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Speaker 1: upset and concerned about you know, where it, Where's my baby? Worthy?
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Speaker 1: And he was thirteen years old and he had his
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Speaker 1: own phone, so you know, he he knew, Um, he
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Speaker 1: knew enough to call us if he felt, you know,
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Speaker 1: that he was in danger or anything. I'm just trying
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Speaker 1: to take this in. Dylan did not want to go
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Speaker 1: to visit his dad that weekend. Why. Um, Dylan and
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Speaker 1: his dad had just grown apart. Mark never really exercised
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Speaker 1: his vegetation rights, and so you know, he couldn't see
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Speaker 1: Dylan that often. And you know, quite honestly, I don't
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Speaker 1: think that Mark knew Dylan anymore. I think that, you know,
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Speaker 1: they had spent so much time apart that they their
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Speaker 1: relationship was strange because you know, they just didn't spend
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Speaker 1: all out of time together. And the time that they
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Speaker 1: did spend together was you know, sitting in Mark's house
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Speaker 1: up in the mountains, and you know that was not
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Speaker 1: fun for Dylan. Dylan was thirteen, he didn't want to
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Speaker 1: just sit around and watch his father drink all day. So,
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Speaker 1: you know, I just think that Mark really had no
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Speaker 1: clue to when was at this point in his life.
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Speaker 1: Did Dylan ask you not to go? Yes, he did.
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Speaker 1: He asked me many times, as a matter of fact.
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Speaker 1: On the he was supposed to fly out of Clara
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Speaker 1: Springs on Saturday and the plane had malfunctioned so he
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Speaker 1: couldn't fly out. He said, Mom, maybe that's a sign
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Speaker 1: that I shouldn't go. And you know, unfortunately I put
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Speaker 1: him on the plane on Sunday and that's the last
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Speaker 1: time I found my fun You know, it's funny that
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Speaker 1: you say that. Alan Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Institute. I remember my dad had been feeling bad,
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Speaker 1: but he that had happened so many times because he
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Speaker 1: was a heart patient, as you know. And I had
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Speaker 1: arranged to take the children ice skating up at Rockefeller
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Speaker 1: Center and he had been in the hospital to get
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Speaker 1: fluid from around his heart. I remember I called my
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Speaker 1: mom from the airport and I said, Mom, are you
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Speaker 1: sure he's stable as he okay? Can We'd be gone
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Speaker 1: for forty eight hours and she said yes, this is
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Speaker 1: like every other time. Go And right before we got
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Speaker 1: on the plane, I said, David, I don't think we
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Speaker 1: should go. I think I just he goes, you've been
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Speaker 1: through this, You've gone round and round. We're getting on
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Speaker 1: the plane. We've got one foot on the plane. Go
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Speaker 1: ahead and go. We got on. I got to New York.
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Speaker 1: I got us all unpacked, the children bathed in their pj's.
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Speaker 1: I got a call from my mom that they're putting
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Speaker 1: my dad on life support, and I spoke to very
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Speaker 1: briefly on the phone. I packed us up, We got
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Speaker 1: on a plane, turned right around. We got to the
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Speaker 1: hospital at five am. But he never could speak to
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Speaker 1: me again. And you know that feeling you look back
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Speaker 1: on in a lane and it's like the universe is
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Speaker 1: trying to tell you something. But how were we to know?
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Speaker 1: How were you to know alone? Yeah, you just don't.
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Speaker 1: You don't when you just have to trust, you know
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Speaker 1: that everything would be okay. When you got that text,
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Speaker 1: did you call Mark? Um? No, I didn't. I immediately
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Speaker 1: started calling Dylan's phone, and then I immediately called all
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Speaker 1: my friends in the area. Um. Quite honestly, I I
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Speaker 1: Mark never tells the truth. And when Dylan was missing,
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Speaker 1: I didn't think he was going to be very helpful.
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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he didn't know where Dylan was, and
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Speaker 1: he hadn't contacted the Sheriff's department at that point, So
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Speaker 1: I started contacting all the people that I knew so
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Speaker 1: that they could actually go out and look for him,
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Speaker 1: because you know, Mark certainly wasn't doing anything to find him,
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Speaker 1: and he didn't the whole time that Dylan was missing.
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Speaker 1: So I just took I took it upon myself and
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Speaker 1: and just found other avenues to try and resolve this.
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Speaker 1: What was ARC's story as to where Dylan went? How
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Speaker 1: did the evening progress? Well, we finally got to the
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Speaker 1: UM to Bayfield, which is about an hour forty five
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Speaker 1: minutes away from Mormark lived, and I immediately went into
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Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office. UM. It was like one o'clock in
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Speaker 1: the morning. UM. And then the next day went to
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Speaker 1: the Search and Rescue UM and then dealt with investigators
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Speaker 1: who were, you know, worthless. Everyone with me is Dylan
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Speaker 1: red Wines mother who has never given up and the
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Speaker 1: search for the truth about where was her son. Dylan
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Speaker 1: red One, absolutely beautiful. If you could see his little
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Speaker 1: face right now, his blue eyes right and kind of
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Speaker 1: a brown blondish more blonde than brown hair, and the
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Speaker 1: sweetest smile, the sweetest smile. He has a smile like
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Speaker 1: my son John David's. And I'm just imagining you you
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Speaker 1: get to town and where do you where do you
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Speaker 1: even start? I remember asking the same question of Natalie
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Speaker 1: Holloway's mother, fly down to Aruba, you touchdown, what do
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Speaker 1: you do? I mean, you don't know where your baby is?
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Speaker 1: What do you do first? I mean when you walked
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Speaker 1: in to the search office, what did you do? E line? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, we we sat there for a couple of
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Speaker 1: days because they were convinced that Dylan was running through
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Speaker 1: the mountains, and you know, I was convinced that that
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Speaker 1: was not true. Sat there for a couple of days
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Speaker 1: and they said it was running through the mountains. Why
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Speaker 1: would they think that about a little boy? Because there
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Speaker 1: was a jogger that was running through the mountains, and
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Speaker 1: you know, they kept thinking that Dylan was a runaway
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Speaker 1: and then he was running away from his bad You
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Speaker 1: know that was not true because if that was the case,
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Speaker 1: he would have called us. You know, he wouldn't just
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Speaker 1: run through the mountains without letting me a Cory know
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Speaker 1: and Corey and I both knew that. And Corey is
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Speaker 1: Dylan's half brother. Cheryl McCallen, director of the Cold Case Institute.
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Speaker 1: Right there, that was the first big mistake, right Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And here's the ing, let's go back. Even she get
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Speaker 1: notified that her child is a miss through a text mass.
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Speaker 1: What he doesn't call her? He doesn't call now would
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Speaker 1: won himself? That to me is the biggest flag right
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Speaker 1: here that he has guilty knowledge of what happened in
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Speaker 1: that right off the bat he laid. Of course, does
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Speaker 1: the right thing. She immediately goes to that place where
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Speaker 1: she leaves her baby still there, possibly in the mountains,
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Speaker 1: possible somewhere, but here is the most important thing. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: She knew, she knew something was terribly wrong, and she
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Speaker 1: did not wait one minute. I heard that. Oh yes,
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Speaker 1: don't you know it, Cheryl, She got in that car
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Speaker 1: and she put the pedal to the metal and got
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Speaker 1: on the scene and started working. I mean, how frustrating
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Speaker 1: was it? A lane hall when they're telling you authorities
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Speaker 1: are saying, oh, he's a runaway, chill acts, and you're saying, no,
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Speaker 1: he is not a runaway. How what was going through
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Speaker 1: your mind? I mean, I feel like I'm gonna jump
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Speaker 1: out of my skin just talking about it. But well,
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Speaker 1: I did. I kept arguing with the investigator and you know,
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Speaker 1: kept telling him that that that was not the case.
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Speaker 1: And you know, we we basically played that game for
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Speaker 1: about a week until I finally convinced them that, you know,
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Speaker 1: this is not Dylan is not a runaway um. And
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Speaker 1: then we were fortunate enough to get into an investigator
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Speaker 1: that actually cared and would do something. But I have
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Speaker 1: never been so angry and infuriated at at at law
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Speaker 1: enforcement in my entire life. And I seriously thought I
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Speaker 1: was gonna you know, I thought I was just going
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Speaker 1: to punch somebody because no one was listening to Its
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Speaker 1: very frustrating. Then what happened, Well, and then you know,
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Speaker 1: basically we just started combing the area. We we just
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Speaker 1: started driving up the mountains, start you know, doing whatever
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Speaker 1: we can. We did ground searches, organized the community. Who
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Speaker 1: was you know, wonderful in this case because people showed
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Speaker 1: up in mass you know, and this is around Thanksgiving,
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Speaker 1: so a lot of people miss Thanksgiving holiday with their family.
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Speaker 1: Um to kind of search forget what about his cell phone?
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Diana's cell phone. Did they find the cell phone? Now,
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Speaker 1: we still have never found this stuff one or his backpack.
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Speaker 1: Did they paying it? Well, yeah they did, but it
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Speaker 1: was off and it didn't I was kind to buy
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Speaker 1: him a new phone for Christmas that year with the GPS.
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Speaker 1: This phone did not have the GPS or you know
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Speaker 1: that capability. It was an older phone. But the whole
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Speaker 1: time we're searching, market sitting in his you know, easy chair,
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Speaker 1: and I knew something was was really wrong at that point.
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Speaker 1: You know, why aren't you searching for your son? What
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Speaker 1: do you mean? Did you see him sitting in his
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Speaker 1: easy chair? Yes, he's sitting in his easy chair while
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Speaker 1: everybody else is searching for a son. Did you say
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Speaker 1: anything to him? Not really? I mean, you know, I
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Speaker 1: said a lot to him as far as you know,
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Speaker 1: where is my son? But Mark basically cut communication with
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Speaker 1: me very early on and would not engage or talk
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Speaker 1: to me at all. Did they search his house then
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Speaker 1: for blood or evidence anything? Yes, they did. The FBI
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Speaker 1: one in there and um they did. They searched his
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Speaker 1: house pretat early, but there have been many searches on
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Speaker 1: his house, um, throughout the whole process. What if anything,
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Speaker 1: I think the investigators in the very beginning were just
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Speaker 1: they were worthless. It was just not working. What did
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Speaker 1: they find when they searched his home. I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: specifically what they found. I know that you know, there
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Speaker 1: were blood traces. They took out parts of the floor,
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Speaker 1: they took his couch, they took a washing machine, they
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure everything. You know. Eventually they
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Speaker 1: impounded his truck, which they still have to this day.
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Speaker 1: Um Elie, let me ask you a question. When did
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Speaker 1: you finally return back to your home. We returned back
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Speaker 1: probably right before Christmas. So we were in Durango about
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Speaker 1: a month, living in a garage of a friend of ours.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, living in a garage, going out every day,
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Speaker 1: trying to find your baby, just like wandering. I can
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Speaker 1: just imagine Sheryl McCollum just wandering the streets calling. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the police weren't really helping. They didn't believe he was gone.
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Speaker 1: They thought he was a runaway. The dad's propped up
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Speaker 1: having a beer on an easy chair, and there's the
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Speaker 1: mom just wandering looking for her son, and just it's
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Speaker 1: it's overwhelming to me to even imagine that during this time,
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Speaker 1: when he's pushed, he he's making these statements that people
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Speaker 1: need to stop playing Nancy through and Nancy Gray. He's
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Speaker 1: telling the media people need to get the focus off
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Speaker 1: of him and owned the Dylan well every single time
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Speaker 1: he said things like that, that again should be a
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Speaker 1: ray flag the law enforcement. Why in the world would
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Speaker 1: he won't the focus off of him or anybody else.
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Speaker 1: Any focus is good focus. Remember Elizabeth sat when the
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Speaker 1: police wanted DNA from her dad and all his brother
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Speaker 1: they were more than willing to do that. He wouldn't
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Speaker 1: take a polygraph. It reminds me of Mark Class when
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Speaker 1: his daughter went missing. He practically laid on the courthouse
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Speaker 1: steps saying, take my DNA, do whatever you want so
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Speaker 1: you can get past me and look for my daughter.
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Speaker 1: And you know, when somebody says, I don't know why
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace is trying to find my son. She
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Speaker 1: needs to leave it alone. I mean, right there, that's
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Speaker 1: a big red flag. Okay, here's my question for him.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why the hell you're not. You had
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Speaker 1: strangers searching that mountain for your king. You've got his
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Speaker 1: mama living in a garage. Thank you for somebody to help,
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Speaker 1: demanding that the police do something, and again you're locked
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Speaker 1: back with a cold one. That's insane. But he did
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Speaker 1: make one statement, Nancy, She said in my prayers with
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Speaker 1: you and I love you very much. He was the
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Speaker 1: light of my life and he meant everything to me.
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Speaker 1: That man used asked tent when that child was still missing.
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Speaker 1: I do not know what more law enforcement could have
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Speaker 1: needed to know he had knowledge of where that child
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Speaker 1: was and what happened to him. Guys, Before we go
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Speaker 1: Raking News and the Dylan red Wine search and disappearance
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum. The very latest is that an arrest has
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Speaker 1: been affected and it is not for kidnapping. It's for homicide.
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Speaker 1: What happened cadaver dogs, as you know, and those dogs
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Speaker 1: hit inside the house at the washing machine on the
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Speaker 1: close that the father was wearing the day dealing with
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Speaker 1: missing um hit the back of his truck. And so
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Speaker 1: law enforcement has been putting together these pieces of this truggle.
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Speaker 1: And you know, let me understand that cadaver dogs trying
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Speaker 1: to hit on the smell of decomposing tissue, picked up
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Speaker 1: the scent in various location in Mark red Wine's home,
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Speaker 1: on the clothes that he wore the night dal and
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Speaker 1: went missing. Not only that, um in the bed red
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Speaker 1: Wines pick truck and inside the home that corresponded with
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Speaker 1: the blood evidence they found it was on the sofa,
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Speaker 1: under the rug on the love seat. So again, those
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Speaker 1: dogs obviously couldn't have known that. The dog handler couldn't
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Speaker 1: have known that, but it lined up beautifully well. Another thing, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: is that a year before that, investigators say Dylan's half
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Speaker 1: brother told them Mark red Wine had mentioned this is
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Speaker 1: Dylan's own father had mentioned Dylan had died of blunt
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Speaker 1: force injuries. Elaine, did you know about that? I did not? Yes,
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Speaker 1: a year before he had told Nancy. There's there's another thing.
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Speaker 1: What the skull when it was recovered, had injury consistent
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Speaker 1: with a knife wound Perry mortal, which means that injury
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Speaker 1: was done near or at dead. It did not have
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Speaker 1: time to even begin to heal. So again, why would
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Speaker 1: the father say something before he would have ever had
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Speaker 1: knowledge of it? That again came through you know, Elne,
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Speaker 1: what were you thinking? What went through your mind in
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Speaker 1: the weeks and the days when you got back home?
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Speaker 1: What were you thinking? I mean to go into your
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Speaker 1: home and no dealing is there, no dealing to take
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Speaker 1: the school, no dealon to pick up? What was going
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Speaker 1: through your mind? You know, you just you just exist,
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Speaker 1: you know, They're the only thing going through my mind
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Speaker 1: was fighting my son. Um, you just learned to exist.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know it. You just learned
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Speaker 1: to live. I can't, I can't even speak about what
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Speaker 1: was going through my mind because I I think I
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Speaker 1: was just so numb to the whole situation that, you know,
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Speaker 1: it was so unreal that this is actually happening to
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Speaker 1: my baby, um. And so we just, you know, we
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Speaker 1: just kept going up to Durango and kept doing what
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Speaker 1: we can as far as searches, and then you know,
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Speaker 1: just doing everything we could think of and to try
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Speaker 1: and get someone to help us so that we could
22:14
Speaker 1: you know, find my son. When did you discover that
22:20
Speaker 1: a portion of Dylan's remains had been found in June
22:26
Speaker 1: of two thousand thirteen. My mother had passed away in
22:28
Speaker 1: May of two thousand thirteen, and we organized the huge
22:34
Speaker 1: search in June, and it was at that time that
22:39
Speaker 1: law enforcement found partial remains and that they could positively
22:43
Speaker 1: identify that it was Dylan. Do you remember when you
22:46
Speaker 1: got that call. Well, we were actually there, Um what
22:50
Speaker 1: happened in that area and the investigator asked us about
22:55
Speaker 1: a shoe they had found, and it was Dylan's and
22:59
Speaker 1: so you know, we kind of had an inkling that
23:03
Speaker 1: that you know, we are, we are, and we're gonna
23:07
Speaker 1: find Dylan. Um, and he was not going to be alive.
23:12
Speaker 1: So you know, it was just a total breakdown. It
23:16
Speaker 1: was in meltdown. But yeah, it's as horrific as it is.
23:20
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, at least at least we
23:24
Speaker 1: found them and he's not just you know, lost anymore.
23:27
Speaker 1: At least we know, you know, it's the most horrific
23:31
Speaker 1: experience ever. After you found the first remains, then the
23:41
Speaker 1: Dylan's skull was found in a different location, is that right? Yeah,
23:45
Speaker 1: it was about a mile and a half away from
23:47
Speaker 1: where the original remains were located. When you think about it,
23:54
Speaker 1: and of course motive does not matter. The state doesn't
23:57
Speaker 1: have to prove motive. We don't have to go in
24:00
Speaker 1: to Mark Redwine's head and figure out what was he thinking.
24:03
Speaker 1: You can't. What do you think went wrong? Elane? What
24:10
Speaker 1: you know? Dylan was thirteen, almost fourteen years old, and
24:12
Speaker 1: he was you know, he was planning his voice in
24:15
Speaker 1: the world. And I think that he was, you know,
24:17
Speaker 1: at a point where he was confronting his father about
24:21
Speaker 1: many bad choices that market made regarding the kids. And
24:24
Speaker 1: I think Mark had a tendency to always lash out
24:26
Speaker 1: at Dylan about me and Corey, and I think Dylan
24:29
Speaker 1: just got tired of it, and so Dylan stood up
24:31
Speaker 1: for himself. And unfortunately Mark doesn't have the sense or
24:35
Speaker 1: the maternal instinct that most of us have, you know,
24:40
Speaker 1: that he would actually listen to Dylan, you know, he
24:43
Speaker 1: I'm sure he became explosive and and you know reacted.
24:48
Speaker 1: You know, I've thought about what may have happened to
24:50
Speaker 1: Dylan so many times, and you know, since you and
24:54
Speaker 1: I first met, so to speak, and I just have
24:59
Speaker 1: a feeling that he he didn't want to be there,
25:01
Speaker 1: He didn't want to leave you, He did not want
25:03
Speaker 1: to be there for the holiday. He wanted to come home.
25:06
Speaker 1: He did not want to be with his father. His
25:08
Speaker 1: father really didn't care about having him there. I think
25:10
Speaker 1: it was just to get back at you. And he
25:14
Speaker 1: said something like, I want to go home. I don't
25:16
Speaker 1: want to sit here. I want to go back to Mom's.
25:18
Speaker 1: And I imagine an explosion occurred and Dylan was dead.
25:25
Speaker 1: That that's that the kindest scenario that I could imagine
25:31
Speaker 1: had happened. When did you learn they finally finally charged
25:39
Speaker 1: markin red Wine? Um, we found out about one thirty
25:44
Speaker 1: in the morning. Um on, let's see, I guess it
25:49
Speaker 1: would have been Saturday evening from the twenty two of
25:52
Speaker 1: July in the early early morning. Um, I was notified
25:57
Speaker 1: that and arrest had been made in Washington and Cheryl.
26:02
Speaker 1: One thing I don't understand is why he's only charged
26:07
Speaker 1: with second degree homicide. Why. Yeah, I think they're gonna
26:12
Speaker 1: change that. The police they get to draw his past
26:15
Speaker 1: statements are going to come back to halting him the
26:17
Speaker 1: cold people before the remains were ever found. That they're
26:20
Speaker 1: gonna have to find the school to determine cause of death. Well, again,
26:25
Speaker 1: he had knowledge of what happened. To this child, which
26:28
Speaker 1: to me shows premeditation. When that child makes his last
26:32
Speaker 1: text messages nine thirty seven at night, and then the
26:36
Speaker 1: next morning by sixty five when his friend is texting him,
26:39
Speaker 1: there's no response. Something's already happened. But he doesn't notify
26:44
Speaker 1: anyone until four o'clock in the after room by text message.
26:49
Speaker 1: He didn't even call the police himself. Everything at that
26:53
Speaker 1: point was a cover up. Now this is where good
26:55
Speaker 1: police work has come in, because some of the blood
26:58
Speaker 1: was found under a and this has happened after his
27:03
Speaker 1: home had been remodeled because of a fire, and the
27:08
Speaker 1: great things those investigators asked him, Have Dylan ever been
27:12
Speaker 1: holland in your house where he would have led? Not?
27:16
Speaker 1: So if they already took care of it should have
27:18
Speaker 1: been a row blood from that child all over creation
27:21
Speaker 1: in the wood. Well. To me, it should be charged
27:24
Speaker 1: as murder in the first because if there was some
27:28
Speaker 1: kind of an accident and Dylan was killed, why not
27:32
Speaker 1: call nine one one. The fact that the body is
27:35
Speaker 1: in one place and the skull is in another place
27:38
Speaker 1: shows a great degree of deception, and activities after the
27:43
Speaker 1: fact can be taken into consideration, and the charging and
27:47
Speaker 1: the verdict. Also there's the issue of felony murder, which
27:52
Speaker 1: would be child abuse i e. A beating and as
27:56
Speaker 1: a result, a death occurred that is felled in the
28:00
Speaker 1: murder that is qualifiable for the death penalty in many jurisdictions. Um.
28:07
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Elaine Dylan's mom. Elaine.
28:12
Speaker 1: People often say to me things like, well, it's been X.
28:19
Speaker 1: You know you can fill in the blank number of years.
28:22
Speaker 1: Why can't you get over it? Why can't you move on?
28:25
Speaker 1: They don't get it a line they don't get Well,
28:27
Speaker 1: it's probably because they've never suffered such a horrific loss before.
28:31
Speaker 1: I think that people are very naive to the situation
28:35
Speaker 1: and you know, they can't put you. You can't be
28:38
Speaker 1: yourself in anyone's shoes when it comes to, you know,
28:41
Speaker 1: the murder of your child. Um. But I've heard that
28:45
Speaker 1: many times, and you know, even my boss at the
28:48
Speaker 1: time was very you know, at first, they were very empathetic,
28:52
Speaker 1: but over time it just you know, their patients were
28:55
Speaker 1: Warren thin and I was not going to give up
28:57
Speaker 1: until you know, there was some type of resid Lucian
29:00
Speaker 1: for Dylan. When you say they're patients worthin what what happened. Um,
29:06
Speaker 1: I was just missing a lot of work, obviously, and
29:08
Speaker 1: it just came to the point where I felt that
29:13
Speaker 1: it was best for me to not be employed there
29:15
Speaker 1: anymore because I I just couldn't, I couldn't deal with
29:20
Speaker 1: you know, the innocuous comments and you know, UM at
29:26
Speaker 1: one point, you know, they were wondering why I was
29:28
Speaker 1: still doing searches for my son when we knew we
29:30
Speaker 1: was dead. And I did they actually say that, UM, yeah,
29:35
Speaker 1: and not so many words yet I did, What did
29:39
Speaker 1: you say that? I? You know, I just I basically said,
29:44
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very important for me to, um,
29:48
Speaker 1: you know, find all of my son's remain so I
29:51
Speaker 1: have you know, something of him. And it was shortly
29:56
Speaker 1: thereafter that I I left. I left that place of employment.
30:03
Speaker 1: Do you have you ever felt like Dylan has tried
30:09
Speaker 1: to communicate with you? I think in many respects he has. UM,
30:15
Speaker 1: maybe not directly to me, but I think many of
30:18
Speaker 1: the things that have occurred over the last couple of years,
30:21
Speaker 1: Dylan had a hand in it. You know. It's like
30:23
Speaker 1: it's like he's the chess master and he's controlling everything.
30:27
Speaker 1: Because there's been some pretty major developments and some pretty
30:30
Speaker 1: major changes that have occurred that have kind of pushed
30:33
Speaker 1: this case along. And I think Dylan was instrumental in that.
30:37
Speaker 1: And when you say he had a hand in it,
30:40
Speaker 1: give me an example. Well, you know, finding the skull
30:45
Speaker 1: that was you know, that was pretty major. That's actually
30:49
Speaker 1: what you know kind of um sparked, you know, the
30:54
Speaker 1: fire again in law enforcement and how was it was
30:58
Speaker 1: a couple of hypersper were hikers that were hiking and
31:01
Speaker 1: they call law enforcement and said, you know, we think
31:04
Speaker 1: we found our human skull. And you know it it
31:09
Speaker 1: was doing. When you Elaine talk about Dylan now and
31:19
Speaker 1: you talk about his remains, are you talk about his skull?
31:24
Speaker 1: What effect does that have on you? I mean, after
31:28
Speaker 1: our program is over and you go about your businesses
31:34
Speaker 1: talking about it, bring it all back, does it make
31:38
Speaker 1: it worse? Does it have any effect at all? Or
31:41
Speaker 1: are you just numb? I think it's it's you know,
31:46
Speaker 1: I think being numb is a part of it, but
31:50
Speaker 1: you know it, it's unfortunately also a part of our lives,
31:54
Speaker 1: and we just had to come to terms with it.
31:56
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't bring going back. I wish I could.
31:58
Speaker 1: I would do anything to do that, but you know,
32:02
Speaker 1: we we still have to keep going and we still
32:05
Speaker 1: have to keep fighting for him because he lost his
32:07
Speaker 1: voice until we have to be his voice. You know.
32:10
Speaker 1: It's it's the most horrific thing that we've ever experienced,
32:14
Speaker 1: and it's you know, I don't think it's going to
32:17
Speaker 1: get any better anytime soon, and so you know, we
32:20
Speaker 1: just have to keep on plugging on. I know that
32:23
Speaker 1: you know, Dylan wants us to have you know, closure
32:28
Speaker 1: and resolution to this. Not that we'll ever have closure
32:31
Speaker 1: because he will still be dead, but you know, we
32:35
Speaker 1: we we we have to we have to be strong
32:37
Speaker 1: and just keep fighting for him. You know, Elaine Hall,
32:42
Speaker 1: you just spoken to my heart and inspired me all
32:49
Speaker 1: over again to keep trying a line. I've been thinking
32:55
Speaker 1: of you so much as these developments have happened so rapidly,
32:59
Speaker 1: and please know so many people think of you and
33:05
Speaker 1: hope for you and pray for you and Dylan as well.
33:09
Speaker 1: And I want to thank you for speaking with me today.
33:12
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nancy. I appreciate that. Okay, Cheryl, I let
33:17
Speaker 1: Elaine go. Cheryl did that she cannot hear us right now? Cheryl,
33:23
Speaker 1: did that break your heart? I mean, oh my God,
33:29
Speaker 1: so horrible. It is so horrible. And I watched the
33:33
Speaker 1: Doctor Phil and what struck me is she could not
33:38
Speaker 1: even bring herself to say I thank you. All she
33:41
Speaker 1: could say is I think you hurt him. She couldn't
33:44
Speaker 1: say anything worse than hurt. And I just, oh my god,
33:48
Speaker 1: she knew, she knew. He's such a piece of who
33:52
Speaker 1: I said, Cheryl, I swear to God in Heaven, I
33:57
Speaker 1: would rip somebody's wrote right out from under their chin
34:03
Speaker 1: if they touched the twins. And I don't care who
34:07
Speaker 1: it is. When I hear this mom talking about you know,
34:11
Speaker 1: we have to be his voice. Oh Dear Lord in Heaven,
34:15
Speaker 1: it nearly. It just broke my heart just to even
34:19
Speaker 1: hear it. You know, appreciate, Okay, Cheryl, we gotta just
34:26
Speaker 1: keep fighting. We just have to keep on right. I love,
34:32
Speaker 1: And now to Florida, a Florida beat you. Beauty marries
34:37
Speaker 1: her dream man. The newlyweds set to live happily ever
34:40
Speaker 1: after until death do they part. But what the twenty
34:44
Speaker 1: six year old beauty doesn't plan is the hit man
34:48
Speaker 1: she allegedly hires to murder her groom is a cop.
34:55
Speaker 1: That's right, the cops sting the bride on a video
35:01
Speaker 1: and oh, if you could hear it, she breaks down
35:04
Speaker 1: and hysterical tears crying over her dead husband, just hours
35:10
Speaker 1: after she herself puts those special finishing touches on his
35:17
Speaker 1: death and it's all caught on undercover surveillance video. All right,
35:24
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Dahlia Dippolito breaking news right now, the
35:31
Speaker 1: woman who allegedly hires a hit man to kill her
35:35
Speaker 1: groom and ends up hiring an undercover cop who videos
35:40
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Catches are moaning and crying. Oh, OSBA's dad,
35:45
Speaker 1: and they take her in to talk to her about
35:47
Speaker 1: her husband's murder, his shooting death, and then in walks
35:52
Speaker 1: her husband. It was all a big sting. Joining me
35:56
Speaker 1: right now, Dave Max, Indicated talk show host Dave. Do
36:01
Speaker 1: you recall at her first trial she actually told the
36:05
Speaker 1: jury Cheryl McCollum, I hope you're sitting down for this.
36:08
Speaker 1: You may need to lay down, girl. Okay, she actually
36:12
Speaker 1: tells a jury, I didn't hire hit man to kill
36:15
Speaker 1: my husband. That was a reality TV show script, Okay,
36:21
Speaker 1: I was. We were acting all this out in order
36:25
Speaker 1: to get a reality TV show. Right. It's all a
36:30
Speaker 1: big audition and her husband helped her with it. It
36:33
Speaker 1: was all a plan. I don't know why he's turning
36:35
Speaker 1: against me now, we were just auditioning for The funny
36:38
Speaker 1: thing about that, Dave macis she never brought any TV producers,
36:42
Speaker 1: no contract nothing, no camera people, nothing. Yeah, it was
36:47
Speaker 1: you know, it was shocking. It was shocking that she
36:49
Speaker 1: actually could come up with that and think that it
36:51
Speaker 1: might work. But you know, there are a few things
36:54
Speaker 1: working against her. And the fact that she was five
36:56
Speaker 1: thousand percent sure she wanted to take out her husband.
36:59
Speaker 1: Oh yet was so cool. I love that part. I
37:02
Speaker 1: played that just for the heck of it, even when
37:03
Speaker 1: I wasn't on the air. Darlia di Polito caught on
37:06
Speaker 1: undercover Samillan's video. They're going, you sure you want to
37:08
Speaker 1: do this? She goes, I'm a thousand percent sure. Oh
37:11
Speaker 1: she's not just one sure. Sare on McCollum, she's a
37:15
Speaker 1: thousand percent sure. She wants him dead. I love it.
37:20
Speaker 1: But here's the good duddy, Sy, she's gonna be able
37:22
Speaker 1: to be on reality TV because in prison, they're gonna
37:25
Speaker 1: still work twenty four hour of the day, So you're
37:27
Speaker 1: weak granted. Oh okay, now, wait a minute, Dave Mack,
37:32
Speaker 1: are you with me? Alan Deep? Did you? Are you
37:37
Speaker 1: lurking around somewhere? Are you hearing? Okay, Alan, I have
37:40
Speaker 1: a little tidbit for you and Dave Mack. Okay, don't
37:47
Speaker 1: marry a hooker? Okay? Can we can we just start
37:52
Speaker 1: on that? Okay? Can we go with that first? Another
37:56
Speaker 1: tip is if your bride is registered with Smith and Wesson,
37:59
Speaker 1: that's kind of a hip. No. I mean, reportedly he
38:03
Speaker 1: met her cheryl um. Let me just say when he
38:08
Speaker 1: needed an air quotes date, he needed a date. Let
38:12
Speaker 1: me just say now, and he means Dolia to Polito.
38:17
Speaker 1: Now I taught to her lawyer, you know in death
38:20
Speaker 1: he's a good lawyer. I mean, I mean, look what
38:21
Speaker 1: he had to work with for Pete's sake. Uh. Brian Claypole,
38:25
Speaker 1: who swears that, Um, she was not a hooker. Okay, fine,
38:30
Speaker 1: you can just say that till you're blue in the face.
38:32
Speaker 1: But I know what those texts said. Now. His lawyer
38:36
Speaker 1: told me that she tried to kill him before Dave
38:40
Speaker 1: Mack that she tried to poison him in some chy
38:42
Speaker 1: tea from Starbucks. Needless to say, I haven't had another
38:45
Speaker 1: chy tee since then she tried using anti freeze. But
38:48
Speaker 1: one one thing to point out, Nancy and she might
38:51
Speaker 1: have been confused because she did get her real estate license,
38:54
Speaker 1: so she was able to sell property, and she might
38:56
Speaker 1: have thought of herself as property and thought that being
38:58
Speaker 1: a hooker, you know, fit under the real estate license
39:01
Speaker 1: and that she wasn't breaking any law. There could be Yeah. See,
39:04
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying. I don't even know
39:06
Speaker 1: what that meant, but you and the Duke al yucking
39:09
Speaker 1: it up. Sheryl and I are like, that doesn't even
39:11
Speaker 1: make any sense to back. So Dave, what actually finally
39:16
Speaker 1: convinced a jury that she did it? I mean, because
39:20
Speaker 1: there haven't there been two juries before this one? Yeah,
39:23
Speaker 1: and um, you know the first one actually dear and
39:26
Speaker 1: victed or you know, they were looking at twenty years,
39:28
Speaker 1: they appealed. The next one came back three to three. Tie.
39:31
Speaker 1: I can't even figure that one out. I mean, they've
39:33
Speaker 1: got All I could think of is she had a
39:35
Speaker 1: real close to Simpson dream team, because there's no way
39:38
Speaker 1: you see this woman on tape, you hear the description,
39:41
Speaker 1: I mean, everything is there. I don't know why it
39:44
Speaker 1: took five minutes for a jury to go out and
39:46
Speaker 1: come back with anything less than guilty. I have no
39:49
Speaker 1: idea how that. Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you
39:51
Speaker 1: what I think happened. Um, there had to be somebody
39:54
Speaker 1: on that jury that was anti cop, and you know
39:58
Speaker 1: I'm pro cop. I'm a Ryan victim. I brought cops
40:01
Speaker 1: and put him on the stand as witnesses. Yeah. I
40:03
Speaker 1: know there are a few bad apples, I know, idiot. Okay,
40:06
Speaker 1: I've seen the videos, I've read the papers, and it's
40:08
Speaker 1: true there are some some cops that have know some
40:11
Speaker 1: very bad things. But I would say, for the most part,
40:15
Speaker 1: police officers and law enforcement are some of the most
40:18
Speaker 1: honorable and decent people I've ever met in my life. Okay,
40:22
Speaker 1: let's put that out there. But what happened, Cheryl McCollum,
40:26
Speaker 1: is that you remember the show Cops, you know, bad Boy,
40:29
Speaker 1: Bad Boy? Well, remember that, and then they'll always show
40:33
Speaker 1: like some guy without a shirt on sitting on his
40:35
Speaker 1: easy chair who seems not at all surprised that cops
40:38
Speaker 1: are running through his den as he's watching TV. Just
40:40
Speaker 1: sits there. Okay. Anyway, so they were coming to film
40:45
Speaker 1: and somewhere along the way somebody said, oh, well, you
40:49
Speaker 1: know they can use this Dollia Depolito case because they
40:53
Speaker 1: filmed it when they told her that her husband was dead. Okay,
40:57
Speaker 1: which I love that part she bends over in half.
41:01
Speaker 1: Oh okay, she really lays it on. Watch out, Meryl Streep.
41:07
Speaker 1: And if you look at this video, which I have
41:10
Speaker 1: about three or four hundred times, all the cops are
41:12
Speaker 1: just standing there like looking at each other, going um,
41:18
Speaker 1: and she's just carrying on. She's not noticed, and the
41:20
Speaker 1: cops are like looking at her like she's a lizard.
41:24
Speaker 1: You know that nobody wants to touch it. Okay, So anyway,
41:28
Speaker 1: but the husband lawyer definitely told me, unless I've gone
41:31
Speaker 1: completely insane, that she tried to kill him before with
41:35
Speaker 1: some shy tea. Now, when I said I gave up
41:37
Speaker 1: shy t let me clarify that I would not buy
41:41
Speaker 1: Starbucks anyway because it costs too much. You can get
41:46
Speaker 1: a great cup of coffee, a huge one for nine
41:49
Speaker 1: nine cents at McDonald's. Okay, you don't have to stand
41:53
Speaker 1: in line. I mean, it's no drama, it's just you know,
41:58
Speaker 1: it's a cup of coffee. But that aside, so this
42:02
Speaker 1: could maybe be her second bite of the apple when
42:06
Speaker 1: the first one didn't. So what is she looking at,
42:09
Speaker 1: Dave Matt right now? She's looking at sixteen years. She's
42:13
Speaker 1: headed off to women's prison now, which I gotta wait
42:16
Speaker 1: a minute. We'll wait. You can fuss at me for
42:18
Speaker 1: interrupting later. I forgot this. The first time she got
42:22
Speaker 1: house arrest, she stayed at home and let her mommy
42:25
Speaker 1: take care of her, and she was allowed to go
42:27
Speaker 1: to church in her lawyer's house, I mean her lawyer's office.
42:31
Speaker 1: She got pregnant. What happened while she's only supposed to
42:36
Speaker 1: be I don't think it happened at church, Dave, now,
42:39
Speaker 1: but it might have been the attorney. We might be
42:41
Speaker 1: looking at Todd mom Jr. Getting you know, a deal
42:44
Speaker 1: going on with the lawyer. I don't know I saw that.
42:46
Speaker 1: Please don't blame the lawyers. I am. I'm disavowing anything.
42:51
Speaker 1: Dave Matt just said, Okay, I don't know about that.
42:54
Speaker 1: That is not true as far as I'm concerned. But
42:57
Speaker 1: somebody I just thought, Cheryl, Cheryl, you know what happened.
43:03
Speaker 1: She got pregnant so she could use the baby as
43:05
Speaker 1: a defense atal no question, so the jury would don't
43:10
Speaker 1: you know her mother probably came in court holding that baby. Absolutely,
43:14
Speaker 1: they're not gonna send me to prison if I'm an
43:16
Speaker 1: infant's mama or if I pregnant at the time, No question.
43:19
Speaker 1: This woman has used every theatric at her disposal, including
43:23
Speaker 1: her own child. But NaN's let me just say one
43:26
Speaker 1: other things because this I think it's really relevant. When
43:29
Speaker 1: they watched the video, there's no tear. She's screaming and
43:34
Speaker 1: whaling and carrying on, but there's no tear. And you
43:37
Speaker 1: know that back in the day, you and I would
43:40
Speaker 1: have killed for a case like this to whale until
43:44
Speaker 1: that man walks in the room. Oh I love that part. Okay,
43:48
Speaker 1: listen to this, guys. I'm sorry, Jo Ramsey. I'm I'm
43:51
Speaker 1: not going to call you. Thank you for coming. I'm
43:53
Speaker 1: sorry to call you. Listen. We had a report of
43:55
Speaker 1: a disturbance at your house and there were shots fired.
43:58
Speaker 1: Is your husband Michael? Okay, I'm sorry to tell you, mam,
44:01
Speaker 1: he's been killed. He's been killed. Man, try to calm
44:08
Speaker 1: down right now. We need to stay. We need to
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Speaker 1: get station. I can't look man. We have to do
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Speaker 1: our job. If you want to findest killer. Okay, we
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Speaker 1: need you to calm down. I need you to go
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Speaker 1: with these detectives. Okay. Does he have enemies? Is there
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Speaker 1: anyone that would want to hurt Okay? Who want to
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Speaker 1: hurt him? Witnesses said they saw a blackmail running from you.
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Speaker 1: I can't let you see him, man, madam, I cannot
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Speaker 1: do this right now. Detective, I need you, I need
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Speaker 1: you to take it to the station. I can't go
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Speaker 1: with these detectives. If you want to help your husband, Okay,
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Speaker 1: if you want to help your husband, you need to
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Speaker 1: go to the station with these gentlemen and tell us
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Speaker 1: everything you know about who he knows, who he's connected to.
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Speaker 1: Don't worry, We've already taken care of dogs without him
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Speaker 1: a control for right now, everything's under control, and we'll
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Speaker 1: take care of everything else. Okay, thank you guys. Guys.
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Speaker 1: I wish you could see the photo I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: right now. I've got a great photo on crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com. And there's another photo I'm looking at. It's
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Speaker 1: on Daily Mail, and she is given the judge a
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Speaker 1: look like, you know, like she would like to kill
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Speaker 1: the judge. I love this photo, all right, So where
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Speaker 1: does that leave us in the world? Dahlia di Polido
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Speaker 1: is finally going to jail. You know what's gonna happen,
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt. She's gonna appeal, They're gonna find something wrong
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Speaker 1: with it, and we'll be doing it for a fourth time.
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Speaker 1: Will you join me when that happens, please? I have
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Speaker 1: been joining on this case since you first started making
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Speaker 1: commentary about it, and in studying for this today and
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Speaker 1: looking at how many times you've had to deal with it. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it's like every other day there's another crazy story from
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Speaker 1: Dahlia di Poliito. There's no telling what's coming up next. Well,
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Speaker 1: the baby took the cake. I mean, the woman's on
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Speaker 1: house arrest, she can go to church in her lawyer's office,
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Speaker 1: and she gets pregnant. Um I was saying, if she
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Speaker 1: did not get convicted on the third try, I would
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Speaker 1: just fling myself out of her window, or or feed
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Speaker 1: myself a chi te with point. Let her make me
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Speaker 1: a chi te. Okay, guys, Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off,
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,