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'NAKED NANNY'S' DAMNING FACETIME, STABS TOT'S GRANDPA DEAD WITH SCREWDRIVER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the so called naked Nanny's
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  Speaker 1: damning FaceTime just before she stabbed the little tot's grandpa
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  Speaker 1: dead with a screwdriver. What I Nancy Grace, this is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: David On, the beloved patriarch of a thriving family was
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  Speaker 2: living the dream with his wife and men grandchildren. But
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  Speaker 2: this picture perfect family was about to face a threat
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  Speaker 2: from someone they trusted.
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  Speaker 1: There is so much misinformation out there right now regarding
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  Speaker 1: the so called naked nanny's attack on an eighty three
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  Speaker 1: year old grandpa. First of all, who is Samantha ray Booth.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a look at her social I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Having one of those days where I literally want to
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  Speaker 3: tell everybody and everything to the today years old. When
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  Speaker 3: I realized how much has happened to me that I
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  Speaker 3: did not deserve.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I'm ready.
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  Speaker 3: To throw down from my inner child right now, like
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  Speaker 3: all of this she went through and she didn't deserve.
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  Speaker 1: When do I get to be a friend? Look at me?
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  Speaker 1: I want to give you right out.
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  Speaker 4: Fear of everybody in this neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: Okay that is from at impath dot illuminated on TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: What is impath dot illuminated? You're going to find out.
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  Speaker 1: But that was so revealing, Okay, leaving me with the question,
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  Speaker 1: does nobody look on social before they hire someone? That's
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  Speaker 1: a theoretical that's a rhetorical question. Let me get back
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  Speaker 1: to the screw driver attack on an eighty three year
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  Speaker 1: old grandpa. But control room, just amuse me, just for
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  Speaker 1: a moment. I've got to see Samantha ray Booth again.
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  Speaker 1: Let's watch this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm having one of those days where I literally want
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  Speaker 3: to tell everybody and everything to the I was today
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  Speaker 3: years old when I realized how much has happened to
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  Speaker 3: me that I did not deserve.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Ready to throw down from my inner child right now,
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  Speaker 3: Like all of this she went through and she didn't deserve.
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  Speaker 1: When do I get to be a friend? Look at me?
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  Speaker 1: I want to fuck me right up.
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  Speaker 4: I fear for everybody in this neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: I had a lot of whispering there on the end.
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  Speaker 1: I'm almost said, I don't even want to know what
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  Speaker 1: she's saying, but I do because it may be probative.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, prove something that's from at Impact Dot
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  Speaker 1: illuminated on TikTok with me an all star panel to
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  Speaker 1: make sense of what we are learning. A thirty five
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  Speaker 1: year old woman who has been working periodically for a family,
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  Speaker 1: a very loving family for two years, suddenly attacks the
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  Speaker 1: grandpa and stabs him dead with a screwdriver. Now what
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  Speaker 1: do we know happened that day? Listen?
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  Speaker 5: Psychotherapist Katie On calls on her regular nanny, Samantha Ray
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  Speaker 5: Booths when she's out of town. Booth has been caring
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  Speaker 5: for Ang's three year old for two years. Katie becomes concerned,
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  Speaker 5: which you can't get Booth on the phone just before
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  Speaker 5: eight pm and calls her dad, David ONNG to make
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  Speaker 5: sure everything's okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Now, first I'm going to go to Dave mag
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  Speaker 1: joining me in Crime Stories investigative reporter. Some people may
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  Speaker 1: think that that's out of the ordinary, that you've got
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  Speaker 1: a nanny with your children and just because she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: pick up the phone, you then call someone to do
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  Speaker 1: a welfare check. That would be the grandpa in this case.
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  Speaker 1: The grandpa eighty three lived in nearby Sea. I don't
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  Speaker 1: find that odd at all. When I can't get a
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  Speaker 1: hold of the twins or I couldn't get a hold
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  Speaker 1: of the nanny. You darn right, I checked on them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't find that odd at all, Dave mac exactly
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  Speaker 1: what happened.
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  Speaker 6: Katie on calls her father David and says, go check
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  Speaker 6: on Samantha and make sure everything's okay at the house,
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  Speaker 6: and the police say that that's what he did. He
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  Speaker 6: went to the house to check on Samantha and the
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  Speaker 6: three year old. David Ong arrives at his daughter's five
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  Speaker 6: hundred thousand dollars home in Royal Oaks to check on
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  Speaker 6: his granddaughter, but once he arrives, he too goes silent.
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  Speaker 6: When Katie can't get her father back on the phone,
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  Speaker 6: she calls brother in law Douglas Smith and asks if
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  Speaker 6: he will go to the house.
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  Speaker 1: So now she's doing a welfare check on the welfare
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  Speaker 1: check on the nanny. You know, I'm very curious. Straight
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  Speaker 1: out to special guests joining us, the editor of Deadline
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  Speaker 1: Detroit former Washington Post reporter Alan Alan Langle, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. You know this mom is no schlump.
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  Speaker 1: She has known this nanny, and the nanny, Samantha ray Booth,
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  Speaker 1: had been nanny for her for two years. Periodically. I've
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  Speaker 1: done that a million times when I've had Here's a
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  Speaker 1: great example. When I was working at HLM, I had
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  Speaker 1: several names. I had a nanny to why the nanny
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  Speaker 1: watched two nannies with the twins Because of all the
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  Speaker 1: cases I had covered an investigator, I didn't trust to nanny.
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  Speaker 1: So I had two nannies for just the four or
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  Speaker 1: five hours I would be gone, plus a nanny cam,
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  Speaker 1: and they knew that I was watching them constantly. That said,
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  Speaker 1: fast forward, Allan, all these years later. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: twins didn't need a nanny or a babysitter once they
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  Speaker 1: started play school because I could take them and pick
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  Speaker 1: them up. But that said, years later, when my mom,
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  Speaker 1: who's going to turn ninety four, moved in with us,
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  Speaker 1: I was worried about her when I would be at work.
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  Speaker 1: So I call those nannies the very same ones. Now
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  Speaker 1: they're granny nannies. Okay, So when you know somebody, you
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  Speaker 1: don't think to check them out and see if they've
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  Speaker 1: gone crazy on social media because you know them. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't like people attacking the mom in this scenario,
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  Speaker 1: But tell me their history as we know.
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  Speaker 7: It, Allan, Well, you know I think particular. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: supposedly they knew each other for two years she was
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  Speaker 7: doing work. I thought it was particularly interesting is that
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  Speaker 7: Katie Young, the mother, is a psychologist who on her
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  Speaker 7: website says she specializes in ADHD to the tension deficit
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  Speaker 7: hyperactivity disorder assessments And basically she works with patients and
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  Speaker 7: assesses them and if they have ADHD, then she refers
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  Speaker 7: them to either psychiatrists or works with that psychiatrist. So
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  Speaker 7: it happens to me that Samantha ray Booth is supposedly
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  Speaker 7: one of her issues is she's ADHD. So I find
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  Speaker 7: it interesting, and so it makes me wondering. I don't
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  Speaker 7: know the answer to it, but it makes me wonder
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  Speaker 7: if she was aware of the situation and she knew
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  Speaker 7: how to deal with.
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  Speaker 4: Her or what.
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  Speaker 7: But I think it's an interesting, at minimum coincidence.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Jamie Lacy joining Us lies the psychotherap, CEO Life
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  Speaker 1: Counseling Solutions and author of How to Heal from a
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  Speaker 1: Toxic Relationship. She is the host of the Resilient Professional
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  Speaker 1: podcast on YouTube. Doctor Jamie, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: According to Samantha ray Booth's brother, she had no history
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  Speaker 1: of mental illness or drug use. None. So let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you about ADHD. ADHD does not make you have
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  Speaker 1: either auditory or visual hallucinations. ADHD is not any sort
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  Speaker 1: of a mental illness at all. It's a learning issue.
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  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Nancy.
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  Speaker 8: ADHD is a common diagnosis that many people have when
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  Speaker 8: it comes to mostly focused and hyperactivity. So relating ADHD
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  Speaker 8: to potentially what happened, I would say that there's no correlation.
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  Speaker 8: It's not relatable at all. There's probably other possible contributing
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  Speaker 8: factors that probably contributed to this.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Janey Lacy, I find it really interesting you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: psychotic break to John Day joining us a veteran criminal
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney of John Day law Day, I'm sure that
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  Speaker 1: you're dancing up and down the hallway now psychotic break.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I don't think a jury is going
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  Speaker 1: to buy psychotic break that leading up to the moment
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  Speaker 1: she stabs Grandpa dead and then brags about it to police.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, she knew darn well what she had
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  Speaker 1: just done. She said that was so easy. I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe how easy that was. I often did him. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: a psychotic break, to my understanding, means You're fine up
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  Speaker 1: to a certain moment when you kill somebody, then right
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  Speaker 1: after that you're fine again.
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  Speaker 9: She's thirty five years old, right, never apparently, never had
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  Speaker 9: any contact with a police, no police record, no history
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  Speaker 9: of criminal behavior. She's worked with this family for a
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  Speaker 9: couple of years. Mom's a psychotherapist. You would assume that
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  Speaker 9: mom had some insight into behavior and behavioral issues. They
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  Speaker 9: trusted her with the infant for at least since she
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  Speaker 9: was born, apparently, So.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, what else happened?
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  Speaker 9: I mean, you've got police saying that there were some
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  Speaker 9: mushrooms maybe when she was arrested in marijuana.
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  Speaker 4: I've never seen a case.
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  Speaker 9: Where mushrooms in and of themselves led to some type
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  Speaker 9: of a violent murder. So something there's an anomaly here
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  Speaker 9: and we don't know what it is. And if you're
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  Speaker 9: trying to defend this person who's charged with a horrific homicide,
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  Speaker 9: something is not right. Based on the fact that her
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  Speaker 9: thirty five year history, she's clean. So we talk about
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  Speaker 9: a psychotic break, there's something leading up to that. Was
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  Speaker 9: there other potential drug use we don't know about? Is
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  Speaker 9: something else is going to come up? But also I
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  Speaker 9: want to look at what's the bet behavior now, and
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  Speaker 9: what's the behavior while she's sitting in jail? And is
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  Speaker 9: there something here that somebody just obviously miss a sign,
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  Speaker 9: including mom, who is a professional therapist.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're putting a lot of the burden on
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  Speaker 1: the mom. I want to remind everyone Dave matt Crimes
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  Speaker 1: Towards Investigative Reporter. She babysat periodically. She was not the
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  Speaker 1: full time babysitter for the baby when mom was gone,
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  Speaker 1: but the mom had known her for two years. There
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  Speaker 1: is no indication at all that she was using drugs
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  Speaker 1: at the time. She has no history of drugs, and
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  Speaker 1: her brother says she had no history of drugs or
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  Speaker 1: mental illness. She just stabbed the grandpa. Okay. Now, the mom,
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  Speaker 1: who is reportedly out of town for work, has her
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  Speaker 1: father come over to check on the baby. Then she
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  Speaker 1: can't get the father on the phone. Sounds like one
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  Speaker 1: of those horrible horror movies where you pick up the
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  Speaker 1: phone there's somebody creepy and they're in your home. So
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  Speaker 1: she says the dad on over. He disappears. So now
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  Speaker 1: she can't talk to the baby, she can't talk to
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  Speaker 1: the babysitter, she can't talk to her father, so then
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  Speaker 1: she says the brother in law over listen.
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  Speaker 5: Smith arrives at the home at nine twenty five pm,
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  Speaker 5: front door wide open. Smith hears noises coming from the
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  Speaker 5: basement and calls out to the nanny. Booth does not respond.
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  Speaker 5: Smith goes down to the basement and he shocked to
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  Speaker 5: find Booth covered in blood and dated on lying on
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  Speaker 5: the floor with severe head injuries. Eighty three year old
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  Speaker 5: doing everything he can to protect his granddaughter.
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  Speaker 1: Oh Langel, explain to me what happened the brother in
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  Speaker 1: law comes over, and then what happens?
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  Speaker 7: The brother in law comes over, He goes in the house,
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  Speaker 7: he hears some noise. He calls out the name of
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  Speaker 7: the nanny, and he doesn't hear anything. He goes down
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  Speaker 7: serious and he sees the grandfather on the ground there
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  Speaker 7: in the basement, stabbed, you know, multiple times. He grabs
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  Speaker 7: his niece, his I think it's either two or three
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  Speaker 7: year old niece, and he tries to get out of there.
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  Speaker 7: She comes at him and tries to attack him, and
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  Speaker 7: he fends her off, and he tries to get out
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  Speaker 7: of the house, and she's coming after them. They go
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  Speaker 7: outside and she's still they're trying to run away, and
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  Speaker 7: she's still trying to attack them. Finally, some neighbors let
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  Speaker 7: them into the house, so they call nine one one.
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  Speaker 7: She drops the screwdriver and then she takes off all
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  Speaker 7: her clothes and starts running.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 7: And I want to address one thing when we talk
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  Speaker 7: about drug history, and we don't know if drugs played
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  Speaker 7: a role, or if there was just you know, separate
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  Speaker 7: from that, a psychotic episode or whatever. But when people
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  Speaker 7: say drug history, we don't know. I mean she was,
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  Speaker 7: you know, marijuana. Nobody has, as you know, a hiss.
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  Speaker 7: You know, a lot of people who don't know the
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  Speaker 7: person may not know their personal habits, how many drinks
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  Speaker 7: they have, what type of drugs they have. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: obviously she had some drugs in her purse, whether she
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  Speaker 7: we assume that she used those drugs at some point
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  Speaker 7: or another, but we don't know on that particular day.
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  Speaker 1: Alan, I'm asking you and Dave matt for the facts.
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  Speaker 1: Did you just say we don't know. Do you have
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  Speaker 1: even a sentilla of evidence, a shred that this thirty
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  Speaker 1: five year old woman had a drug problem, any anything
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  Speaker 1: to base that on at all. No, you don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean we have it.
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  Speaker 1: Where do we keep talking about it?
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  Speaker 7: Well, only because they found the drug.
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  Speaker 4: I mean you're trying.
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  Speaker 7: You're trying to figure out this very irrational behavior. A
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  Speaker 7: person turns on the grandfather, strips her clothes off, running
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  Speaker 7: down the street. I mean, obviously this is not normal behavior.
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  Speaker 7: So you're trying to figure out what it is, possibly
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  Speaker 7: whether it has nothing to do with drugs, whether it
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  Speaker 7: was a psychotic episode or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But we don't know what.
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  Speaker 1: I think alan were looking for. I think that you,
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  Speaker 1: like many other people, are struggling with an issue I
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  Speaker 1: have whenever I tried a female and I'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: what that is. To Tom Green, former Chief Deputy Washoe
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  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office Homicide Detective Cole Case Squad, it goes
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  Speaker 1: on and on and on, owner Nevada Investigative Services, Tom,
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  Speaker 1: here's the deal. Whenever you have a woman, particularly a
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  Speaker 1: woman that some people would find attractive. Not me, she
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  Speaker 1: looks like Bill's abub the Devil's Hince person to me.
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  Speaker 1: But a woman that some people find attractive, they have
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  Speaker 1: a really hard time imagining that she's responsible for a murder.
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  Speaker 1: So we do all sorts of contortion to find a
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  Speaker 1: way to explain it away, and of course I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to need a shrink on this, doctor Janey. But have
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  Speaker 1: you seen that? I mean, let me just throw out
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  Speaker 1: here's a good one. Top mom incomes top Mom Casey
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Indicourt and acts demure and sweet and pitiful and
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  Speaker 1: scared and dominion to actually scrunching down in her seat
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  Speaker 1: to look smaller, and the jury look den her and thought, no, way, way.
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  Speaker 1: That's just one example. Have you ever encountered that time
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  Speaker 1: where people just they'll say, oh, she must have had
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  Speaker 1: a drug problem. She didn't, she must have filled in
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  Speaker 1: the blank. She didn't. Why do we do all these
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  Speaker 1: contortions when the killer, the defendant is a woman.
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  Speaker 10: Well, I think it's just a natural reaction where people
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  Speaker 10: want answers like the why, and we don't always know
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  Speaker 10: the why. You know, I worked a case one time
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  Speaker 10: with a woman was beautiful. She brutally murdered her husband,
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  Speaker 10: and people could not wrap their head around why would
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  Speaker 10: she do that? She looks so nice, she looked so
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  Speaker 10: sweet and innocent. But you know, we heard her own
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  Speaker 10: voice on the video that you played. She has some
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  Speaker 10: underlying issue of some sort. I'm not a psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 1: No, you're not say we can just stop right there.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that she may have an under what is
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  Speaker 1: everybody on this panel trying to think of a way
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  Speaker 1: to absolve her of stabbing an innocent, unarmed grandpa dead?
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  Speaker 1: Because I Am not having it. We're pretending she's on drugs.
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  Speaker 1: We're pretending she had a drug history. We're pretending she
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  Speaker 1: had a mental illness history. Somebody said maybe she had ADHD.
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  Speaker 1: We know none of that. Have you all lost your minds?
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  Speaker 1: When this mother brought her in, she was behaved perfectly, coherently.
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  Speaker 1: But somehow everyone's doing somersaults and backbands to come up
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  Speaker 1: with an excuse she has an issue. Well, guess what,
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  Speaker 1: Tom Green, we all have an issue. I'm a three pets,
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  Speaker 1: a crippled guinea pig, and a ninety four year old grandma.
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  Speaker 1: I got a lot of issues, and I deal with
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  Speaker 1: murder every day. That does not absolve me from stabbing
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  Speaker 1: an unarmed man with a screwdriver.
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  Speaker 10: I listened to the lieutenant provide his assessment of the
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  Speaker 10: crime scene and response. He's the one that brought up
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  Speaker 10: drug use, He's the one that brought up potential psychosis.
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  Speaker 1: Can I tell you. I'm going places. The real ones
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  Speaker 1: are coming with me. I will come back for you.
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  Speaker 6: You know who the you are.
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  Speaker 11: The ones who sat there, abandoned me me struggle, didn't
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  Speaker 11: support me. You don't have to see that.
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  Speaker 2: My table in a quiet Michigan town, Katie On hires
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  Speaker 2: a nanny to care for her young daughter, trusting her completely,
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  Speaker 2: and little does she know that nanny might be harboring
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  Speaker 2: sinister intentions.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to see more of this woman.
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  Speaker 1: Her name is Samantha rape Boost. She's a thirty five
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  Speaker 1: year old female. This is what she posted online.
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  Speaker 12: Watch be so insecure, and I had no confidence in
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  Speaker 12: who I was. Was in constant survival mode, struggling to
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  Speaker 12: keep anxiety at bay. I was like a walking panic attack.
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  Speaker 12: I drank almost every day. I hated who I was.
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  Speaker 12: I'm eating disorder A. Relationships are tumultuous, especially the one
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  Speaker 12: with myself.
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  Speaker 1: I finally feel at peace and I feel.
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  Speaker 12: So confident in who I am. Do not give up hope.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, I'm going to play that about one hundred
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  Speaker 1: times in front of if there ever is one that's
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  Speaker 1: from at impact dot illuminated on TikTok to Janey Lacy.
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  Speaker 1: That's doctor Janie Lacy, renowned psychotherapist and CEO doctor Janey.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a lightning round? Have you ever?
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  Speaker 1: It's on game shows? You ever heard of that?
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  Speaker 8: Yes?
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  Speaker 13: I have, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you know the rule is a very quick answer,
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  Speaker 1: as in yes, no, Okay, here we go, lightning round,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Janie Lacy. Number one is hating yourself a mental disorder? No?
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Is an eating disorder a mental defect.
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: It's diagnosable.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: But no, So then you just violated the lightning round reels.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: So no, No is drinking a mental defect? Okay. Now
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: is anxiety a mental defect? No? Okay, it's in security
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: a mental defect. No is being in quote survival mode
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a mental defect. No crime stories with Nancy Grace John
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Day joining me. Did you just hear Samantha ray Booth
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: online describing all of her issues? Somebody who said that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: it was either Langele or Tom Green or probably Dave
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Max said she's got issues. Yeah, she's got issues. They're
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: not mental defects, none of those issues. And she was
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: very forthright with all of her issues, aiding disorder, anxiety,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: no confidence in myself? Boo who no confidence in myself,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: a walking panic attack, self hating, self loathing, tumultous relationships. Okay,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: none of those are mental defects, none of them. You're
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: going to be hard pressed to use any type of
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: a mental defect defense in this case because she's laying
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: it all out there. If she's talking about that she
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: drank too much, you don't think she'd bore out on
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: social media that she also did weed and mushrooms. Of
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: course she would have. You know, when you don't know
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: a horse, John Day. Look at her track record. She's
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: learning everything there is to say about herself on social media.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: She doesn't mention a thing about weed or mushrooms, does she?
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: So, Nancy, respectfully, I think you're missing the point. Everything
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: that all these great people on this panel have said
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: means that I want each one of them on my
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: jury if I'm defending her, Because what everybody's doing is
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: using their personal experience.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: They're using their observations here.
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: They're trying to figure out an unfathomable situation, and that's.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: What I want my jurors to be doing.
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: They're trying to use their own life experiences to come
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: up with some reason because it's hard to wrap your
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: mind around what happened and why it happened. And if
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: you don't have an easily graspable, understandable explanation for that,
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: you're going back to your own life experience.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: You're going back to what you know about people.
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: And what everybody on this panel is doing is coming
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: up with things that might explain this away. And if
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: I'm defending this woman, that's what I want my jurors
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: to be doing. I don't necessarily care if there is
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: a puzzle piece that fits perfectly in an explanation. I
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: just want all of them thinking what everybody on this
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: panel has just been doing, coming up with reasons, coming
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: up with things that might fit into a rational day explanation.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Before you finish your closing argument, let me stop you.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Isn't it's true that you said the jury, we'll try
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to figure out what might have happened. Isn't the standard
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: in criminal cases beyond a reasonable doubt, not a hypothesis
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: about what might have happened. Little green men from Mars
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: may have beams down and stabbed the grandpa dad. That
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: may have happened, but it's not a reasonable hypothesis. So
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: without information that she absolutely was on drugs, We don't
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: have that, and following up, even if we did have that,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: assuming arguendo that we do find out she was on drugs,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: John Day, isn't it true that voluntary use of drugs
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: or alcohol is not a defense?
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: Absolutely true, the voluntary use of drugs. Yeah, But what
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: you're doing is exactly what I want the juris again
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: to be doing, because you are trying to rationalize in
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: the irrational situation, and they're beyond a reasonable outstandard.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And Jan Green and Alan Langele and Dave Mack are
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: trying to rationalize in the irrational situation, because to me
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it's very rational. Grandpa came home to check on the
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: baby and he was stabbed dead with a screwdriver, and
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: he's unarmed. If she had gotten into magic mushrooms or
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: some weed, that's on her. The law is very clear,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: voluntary use of drugs or alcohol is not a defense. Period. Now,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: in some states and jurisdictions you have unless and until
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that person is comatose. But if you're comatose, you can't
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: move and stab somebody with screwdrivers. So that's irrelevant here.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: So no matter which way you guys want to turn,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: you're going to have to accept that this woman, who
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: you may think looks like your daughter or your sister
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: or your mom, that she stabbed an unarmed senior just
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: coming to check on the grand baby. Dead dead. You
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: know what, let's take another look at this woman.
• 25:17
  Speaker 11: Being a light worker feels like speaking an entirely different
• 25:20
  Speaker 11: language that most people around you cannot understand. You feel alone,
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: You feel isolated. You feel like, how do I have
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: this understanding of this language that I was not taught.
• 25:30
  Speaker 11: Society didn't teach me this language, but it came from
• 25:33
  Speaker 11: the inside. It came from your heart, and you have
• 25:35
  Speaker 11: this knowing that there is another path that we can
• 25:37
  Speaker 11: walk down, another way of operating and navigating the world,
• 25:41
  Speaker 11: and how we treat ourselves and treat nature and treat community.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know there's just so much to drink in
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: from that. That's from at mpath dot eliminated on TikTok Okay.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Doctor Janey Lacy, you're the psychotherapist. I'm just a trial lawyer.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: But I am coming at this from the side of
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the eighty three year old grandfather and his family because
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I know every day, every day I miss my father, Mac,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: who was my soulmate. I miss him every day, and
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I imagine I know that I am projecting that the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: victim's family feels the same way about him. He goes
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: in to check on the baby and he gets stabbed
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: in multiple times with a screwdriver, and I can't help it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I'm putting my dad in his shoes, and I will
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: be damn e d if I'm gonna let everybody argue, ooh,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: she got into magic mushrooms, poor thing. Oh hell no,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that is not gonna work for me. Now Here, she's
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: saying she is a quote light worker, and she speaks
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: an entirely different language that most people. I guess that's me.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Cannot understand. You feel alone, isolated. Those are not mental defects.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: How do I understand this language? I was not taught.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: She may be zany, but she is not insane. Because
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: she gets in this car. You can see her inner car.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: She sets up a video cam on herself. She loves
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to post online. She's coherent, she's well kept, she's got
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: on makeup, she's done her hair. She's talking about I
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: guess the cult that she's starting. This woman is not insane,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Doctor Janey.
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: I agree with you, Nancy, she had extreme violent behavior.
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: She took this four innocent man's life who was protecting
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: his daughter. So when we look at the behavioral presentations
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: of what is the documented digital record of her life,
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: she's very conscious in a sense that she's using a
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: lot of language that shows that she was actually doing
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: her inner work. She used the word in her child,
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: she's using the light worker. She believes that she's a
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: light to humanity and has a higher consciousness. So this
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: is the record from her saying that she's she's seen,
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: she's present, and that she's doing her work, so to
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: speak from her potential trauma that she alluded to in
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: some of her previous videos that you show that is
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: not someone who I.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Gotta ask you a question. She's not jamiel Ice. I'm
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: just wondering if you function. You know when medical doctors
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: don't like you to go to WebMD. They hate it
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: when you google what you perceive, And of course I
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: do it on myself. Everybody around me. I google their
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: symptoms and I diagnose them. Do you just hate it
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: when somebody has read so many self help books that
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: they diagnose themselves and start treating themselves. What is an
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: inner child? I've heard that a lot. What does that mean?
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: That she refers to the inner child and the third person.
• 28:58
  Speaker 14: So basically what the inner how comes from, it comes
• 29:01
  Speaker 14: from childhood trauma work. So the childhood trauma work is
• 29:05
  Speaker 14: if someone has experienced trauma in their history that they
• 29:09
  Speaker 14: get stuck at that point or they had some type
• 29:11
  Speaker 14: of emotional needs that was not met. So the inner
• 29:14
  Speaker 14: child means the adult self goes back and protects. It's
• 29:17
  Speaker 14: kind of like you become your own parent and you
• 29:19
  Speaker 14: go back and you acknowledge the things that you needed
• 29:22
  Speaker 14: as a young child or the things that you that happened.
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: To you are not your fault. So it's connecting your
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: adult self with your inner with the parts of you
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: that were frozen and what we call frozen that were
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: unhealed things that have happened in your history. It's related
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: to a lot of trauma work.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to try to drink in everything that
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you just said. That's a lot, and I'm very curious
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: about why Samanta ray Booth is diagnosing herself. She does
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: not have a mental defect except that she had an
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: eating disorder and she has self loathing and she drinks
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: too much. That said, let's listen to her on her
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: higher purpose of bringing light, love, and healing to the world.
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: Being a light worker feels like speaking an entirely different
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: language that most people around you cannot understand. You feel alone,
• 30:14
  Speaker 11: You feel isolated. You feel like, how do I have
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: this understanding of this language that I was not taught.
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: Society didn't teach me this language, But it came from
• 30:22
  Speaker 11: the inside.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: It came from your heart.
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: And you have this knowing that there is another path
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: that we can walk down, another way of operating and
• 30:29
  Speaker 11: navigating the world, and how we treat ourselves and treat
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: nature and treat community.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: From mpath Dot illuminated on TikTok.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Concerned after not hearing from the nanny, Katie asks her
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: father David to check on her daughter.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Upon arrival, he discovers his granddaughter missing. What happens next
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: The grandpa comes in eighty three the daughter does it?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Hear back from him? She says, brother in law over.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: He walks in and Samantha ray Booth comes out, I'm
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: like a bat out of hell. Just keep that visual.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Wielding a screwdriver, he somehow manages to pick up the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: tap girl and run. Listen to this.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Smith and his knees are sent to the hospital. First
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: responders tend to David Ong in the basement, the eighty
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: three year old man his family calls the General Giant
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: is laying on the floor massive injuries to his head.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: Long is pronounced dead on the scene in the basement,
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: giving up his own life protecting his three year old granddaughter.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Straight out to a special guest joining us. Doctor Thomas Coin,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the Chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examiner's Office, State
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: of Florida. He is a forensic pathologist, he's a toxicologist.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: He is a neuropathologist, and you can find him on
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: x at doctor T. M. Coin Coyne. Doctor Coin, thank
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: you for taking time away from your crushing schedule of
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: autopsies tell me about a screw driver attack. And covered
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and investigated myself so many homicides, I've often thought a
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: knife attack is worse than a shooting. It's just a
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: gut reaction. Having investigated so many cases and tried so
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: many cases, but I haven't contemplated death by screwdriver. Are
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the puncture rooms with a screwdriver different from the puncture
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: rooms from a knife, Well.
• 32:28
  Speaker 15: They tend to be smaller, right, because the diameter of
• 32:31
  Speaker 15: the screwdriver is much smaller than the blade of a knife,
• 32:34
  Speaker 15: and so you tend to have either circular or flat
• 32:37
  Speaker 15: wounds depending on type of screw driver. So I can
• 32:39
  Speaker 15: imagine if you've ever used the Phillips head screwdriver, the
• 32:42
  Speaker 15: tip of that screwdriver comes down to a point, there's
• 32:45
  Speaker 15: like a little X there, and in the skin of
• 32:48
  Speaker 15: a person who's been stabbed by Philip said screw driver,
• 32:51
  Speaker 15: you may actually see a circular hole with an X
• 32:53
  Speaker 15: mark where that tip penetrated through the skin, whereas a
• 32:57
  Speaker 15: flat heead screwdriver you may see a small, little flat
• 33:00
  Speaker 15: slit with blunt, little abrasions. And so you tend to
• 33:03
  Speaker 15: have characteristic wounds that are smaller than a knife and wound,
• 33:08
  Speaker 15: and you'll see them distributed very often, you know, in
• 33:11
  Speaker 15: critical areas.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, now, dodger coin, I'm going to do it yourself
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: for And there are a lot of different sizes of screwdrivers.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: It could be the little egpety one that you do
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: your eyeglasses with if you wear eyeglasses, or the really
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: big ones that we use when my son was doing
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: this eagle Scout project. So why are you assuming it's
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a small screwdriver.
• 33:37
  Speaker 13: Well, I'm not assuming. I'm just saying that the actual
• 33:39
  Speaker 13: diameter of.
• 33:40
  Speaker 15: The screwdriver itself, so regardless of whether it's a long screwdriver,
• 33:44
  Speaker 15: the actual diameter of the of the two person itself. So,
• 33:48
  Speaker 15: for instance, you know, when you see a wound and
• 33:50
  Speaker 15: a person that may be like a less than half
• 33:52
  Speaker 15: of an inch, where I believe, let's say of a
• 33:55
  Speaker 15: regular let's say stake knife that you have in your house,
• 33:58
  Speaker 15: maybe an inch or two inches, and so the actual
• 34:00
  Speaker 15: wound itself tends to be smaller, often circular, especially if
• 34:06
  Speaker 15: you're using As Philip said.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: You know, there's something about an attack with a screwdriver,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: doctor Coin. I feel that it would be even more
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: painful than a knife attack because the screwdriver the point
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: is more blunt and it would be harder to pierce
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the skin. I'm sure you can verbalize my reaction. What
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: would you how would you respond to that?
• 34:30
  Speaker 13: Well, I think you know, I mean, it's a lot
• 34:31
  Speaker 13: easier for a knife.
• 34:32
  Speaker 15: To go in because it has a cutting edge, so
• 34:34
  Speaker 15: it'll go through the skin much easier, requires less force.
• 34:37
  Speaker 15: When're using a more blunt object, you have to use
• 34:40
  Speaker 15: much more force. So yeah, I would imagine each blow
• 34:43
  Speaker 15: would be more forceful. I'm assuming a person who's being
• 34:46
  Speaker 15: attacked is probably also in a state of shock, so
• 34:49
  Speaker 15: they may not.
• 34:49
  Speaker 13: Feel the pain up front.
• 34:51
  Speaker 15: But what's really the problem here is if it's a
• 34:55
  Speaker 15: long screwdriver, number one, it can go in further, so
• 34:58
  Speaker 15: it could penetrate the heart.
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: And if you hit a critical.
• 35:01
  Speaker 15: Area like the temporal portion of your skull, the thinnest
• 35:04
  Speaker 15: part of our skull, that screwdriver, if you're using in
• 35:06
  Speaker 15: a forest, can go right into the brain, and so
• 35:09
  Speaker 15: you can incapacitate a person pretty fast.
• 35:13
  Speaker 13: You hit the right spot.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you know, doctor Coyne, I
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: was noticing. What we've been able to glean so far
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: is that the grandpa eighty three years old had a
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: lot of injuries to the head and face, which I
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: find not only privative as to why someone stabs a
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: victim in the face. But you just said temple, temple area.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: You think of a temple somewhere you worship. Why is
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: that part of your your head called the temple?
• 35:55
  Speaker 13: That's a good question. I don't know.
• 35:57
  Speaker 15: The original Greek anatomists, who are all of the bones.
• 36:01
  Speaker 15: It's the temporal bone, so that's probably where it derives
• 36:03
  Speaker 15: his name from.
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: And so the.
• 36:05
  Speaker 15: Temple region is the area of skin to overlies our
• 36:08
  Speaker 15: temporal bone. I don't know the meaning behind why they
• 36:13
  Speaker 15: chose that particular word, but that's that's why we refer
• 36:17
  Speaker 15: to it as a temple.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Well, she's not called the naked nanny for nothing, But
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: try to put your prurient thoughts aside and listen to
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: what Samantha ray Booth said.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: After the killing, Samantha ray Booth drops the screwdriver and
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: her clothes. When police arrives, she's completely naked, covered in blood,
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: and takes off running through the neighborhood. Officers apprehend the
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: thirty five year old nanny and place her in the
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: squad car, where she begins to brag about the damage
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: she just caused to the og family, allegedly tailling officers,
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: I f him up, and yes.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I did it.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: It was too easy.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. Alan Langele joining us editor of
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Deadline Detroit formerly with the Washington Post as an investigative reporter.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: That's not easy to get to. Alan. Let me rephrase
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the so called naked nanny says, I have him up,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and yes I did it. It was just too easy.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: There's your poor wounded dear that you're all trying to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: exonerate with acclaimed drug problem or mental defect, bragging about
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: killing Grandpa.
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: I don't think any of us are trying to exonerate.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: I think, as other people have said.
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: We're trying to understand how the switch got clicked from
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: this very what appeared to be caring nanny, a very articulate,
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: introspective person, to really an insane person who just lost it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: And when we talk about the circumstances, she's charged with
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: first degree murder, which, if you look at the totality
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: of the circumstances, and I defer to the lawyers here,
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: be pretty hard. First degree murder in Michigan is mandatory
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: life without parole. Second degree murder can be life, but
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: with the possibility of parole, and so in the totality
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: of just all the circumstances, I think you'd be hard
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: pressed to convict or plea to first degree in there.
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: But I don't think any of us are. I don't
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: think any of us are trying to say she should
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: be exonerated. It's insane. I mean, it was a brutal,
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: brutal thing of an elderly gentleman who seemed very loving
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: and caring, had four children, had a very successful career,
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: cared about his grandchild. It's a tragedy. It's horrific, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: none of us are saying she should go free. The
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: question will be whether she's currently mentally confident to stand
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: trial if she were to go to trial.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: But I'm not trying to make excuses.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Because she's stripped just because well you are, you are?
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Why are you saying she's really incompetentd behavior?
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: It's insane behavior. I'm sorry.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Her murder is insane, while all the other murders they
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: make perfect sense. Oh yes, no, well you are doing
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: this because she's young and cute and you like what
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: she's doing on TikTok. Yeah, you're all making excuses for her.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, and you know what else you did?
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: What else you did? You You can't be on the
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: jury because you're already worried about sentencing. John Day, I
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: know you're not gonna like this, but you have tried
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of cases, and isn't it true the jury
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: is not to be concerned about sentencing. They are to speak.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: They are to render a verdict that speaks the truth.
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  Speaker 1: And you guys don't like it because she's young and
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  Speaker 1: to you guys, she's cute and you can't imagine her
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  Speaker 1: committing a murderer. So she's gotten to be insane or
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: have a mental defect. He's already worried. He's already saying
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Lango is already saying, should you live with that Burrow?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: We can't do that to her. Oh, yes you can.
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  Speaker 9: No matter what the judge says, every juror considers the
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  Speaker 9: effects of a conviction one way or the other, and
• 40:14
  Speaker 9: no matter the judge is going to say, put that
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  Speaker 9: in your minds, it's not your job. But the reality is, Nancy,
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: we both know from doing trial work that that's not
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: what jurors do.
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  Speaker 4: They have that somewhere in the back of their minds,
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  Speaker 4: so we can't we can't pretend that they're not going
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  Speaker 4: to be thinking about that.
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  Speaker 9: But again, what everyone's doing is what I if I
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: was defending this case as a private lawyer or public defender,
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  Speaker 9: would be thinking about, would want the jury to think.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: About, Samantha, can you cover yourself and come to the
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: window like the attorney said, this is going to happen
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  Speaker 7: whether you wanted.
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  Speaker 4: To or not, so we might as well just getting
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  Speaker 4: done with. Okay, he's trying to help you.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: He's laying on the floor.
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  Speaker 4: At the moment, completely naked. You're middle of the sill.
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  Speaker 1: John Day is joining us, veteran criminal defense attorney who
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: founded John Day Law. John, do you have children?
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  Speaker 13: I do.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever have one throw themselves in the floor
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  Speaker 1: and have a fit.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure it happened, but it may have been, you know,
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: age two or three.
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  Speaker 1: Possibly, yes, Okay, both of my children one time, each
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: one of them, Lucy and John David flung themselves in
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: the floor and had a fit, kicking, screaming, yanking at
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: their clothes, the whole thing. I just looked at them
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  Speaker 1: and walked off. And guess what that worked? Here to
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Alan Langele, we have Samantha ray Booth throw herself in
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  Speaker 1: the floor of her cell and strip when it's time
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  Speaker 1: for arrayment, not before, not after, but just when it's
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: time for arrayment. Talk about attention seeking. I'm just putting
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: it out there, thoughts.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, she could be manipulative, she could be you know.
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  Speaker 7: I mean the message is I'm crazy I'm insane just
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  Speaker 7: in the totality of.
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  Speaker 4: The whole thing there.
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  Speaker 7: But could she be creating drama? Does she know what
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  Speaker 7: she's doing? You know, it's hard to say. I think
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  Speaker 7: obviously she needs to be evaluated to oh, yes, getting it,
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  Speaker 7: you know.
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  Speaker 1: So with that, Alan Langele, I agree. I don't want
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: anyone with a mental defect put into GPA general population.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: They will be horribly tormented, torture taken advantage of. I
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: don't want that. I also don't want a killer to
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: walk free. Dave mac did I just hear you state
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: under your breath pretty is as pretty does? Did you
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: say that? Yeah? What do you mean by pretty is
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: as pretty does?
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  Speaker 6: Because you've mentioned that, you know, we might think she's attractive,
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: and that's why we're trying to justify her actions. And
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: I'm saying, no, absolutely not. You know, you're as pretty
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: as your actions are, and her actions are filthy and evil,
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: and I'm not looking for a reason to justify her actions.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: I am looking at Satan who just showed up and
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: put a screwdriver in eighty three year old man's head.
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: Over and over.
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  Speaker 1: Question what happens now, Dave Matt She has been naked,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: arraigned for premeditated murder. What's happening next?
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: No bail for her and she actually is scheduled for
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: her next court appearance on the seventh.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Well, John Day will have a field day putting all
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: of you on his jury. He's already revealed his trial
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: tactic and he might just succeed. This case is being
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: built now, and we have heard from her boyfriend who
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: says just before the stabbings that she stated she knew
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the grandpa was coming over to relieve her for a
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: meal break. That's damning. It's damning because she was in
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: her right mind and she was not surprised by the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: grandpa when he came in the door. That is a
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: damning FaceTime, and I expect he will be called as
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: a state's witness. If you know or think you know
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: anything about this case, please dial the Royal Oak PD
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: two four eight two four six three thousand, repeat two
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: four eight two four six three thousand. We remember an
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: American hero, Senior Patrol Officer Daniel Ellis Richmond p D. Kentucky,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: shot and killed in the line of duty after seven
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: years serving and protecting, leaving behind his wife turned widow,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Katie and son Luke American Hero. Senior Patrol Office, Sir
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Daniel Ellis, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend, m HM