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Ep. 737: A Life Changing Hunting Experience in Africa · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We're recording in Africa. I'm pretty much African now, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like in the real sense of the word, like from Africa.
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  Speaker 1: I've been here so long. I've watched I've watched a
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  Speaker 1: complete lunar cycle. Can you believe it?
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  Speaker 2: That's impressive.
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  Speaker 1: I came here on a on a new moon.
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  Speaker 2: What's it called? Screw that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: No new moons?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, came here on a new moon.
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  Speaker 1: Watch that son of bit get full. That's the long
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  Speaker 1: I've been here forever.
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  Speaker 2: You watch the new moon get old and then it's
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  Speaker 2: getting new again.
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  Speaker 1: I know, it's so long. I've been here a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Joined by Morgan Potter is here today and Morgan Potters.
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  Speaker 1: This is the third time you've been on the show.
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  Speaker 1: You came on the show and basically without meaning to
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  Speaker 1: talk me into coming to Africa. Then you came on
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  Speaker 1: the show to get me up to speed my upcoming
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  Speaker 1: African trip. And now you're closing it all out by
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  Speaker 1: coming on the show again to do a debrief old
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  Speaker 1: part of my cunning plan yep. And then tomorrow we
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  Speaker 1: start picking our way back home. Also joined by George.
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  Speaker 1: And George helped me with your last name d O
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  Speaker 1: W D s okay. George is from Morgan's from Morgan
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  Speaker 1: is from Australia. As a as a young man, moved
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  Speaker 1: to Africa to get into the hunting thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Came here like did what now seems to be impossible,
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  Speaker 1: came here, taught yourself, learned Swahili yep, in order to.
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  Speaker 2: Pursue your career. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: It's essential. Climbed from the bottom up right yep. And
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  Speaker 1: did that making my way up the letter, yeah, chasing
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  Speaker 1: a dream. George was born in Kenya, so it seems weird,
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  Speaker 1: like like in America, we were really tiptoe around this
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  Speaker 1: thing of like you know, when you say I'm a
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  Speaker 1: white Kenyan.
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  Speaker 2: People in America be like.
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  Speaker 3: What, Yeah, there's not many of us. No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a white Kenyon. Yeah. Family's been in Kenya
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  Speaker 2: for many generations.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, many generations, early nineteen hundreds.
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  Speaker 2: Working You work in the farm and ranch world.
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  Speaker 3: Working in the farming and ronching world. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, spoke to Healey from a young age.
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  Speaker 5: Quite lucky with that. Okay, made a lot easier for me.
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  Speaker 1: And you're pursuing the professional hunting thing in that you
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  Speaker 1: are in your second year, your second year internship to
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  Speaker 1: become a professes hunter.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, that's the plan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and a professional hunter means something very specific here,
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  Speaker 1: explain professional hunter. It doesn't mean like you hunt, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you make videos about it or something like. A
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  Speaker 1: professional hunter is a thing. It is a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We have to be licensed, So one has to
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  Speaker 2: complete a two year apprenticeship and then be endorsed by
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  Speaker 2: the company with which you've done your apprenticeship to then
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  Speaker 2: ultimately go sit your license, which is a practical exam.
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  Speaker 2: There's some theory and some other bits and pieces sort
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  Speaker 2: of tied in with that, and that's all monitored and
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  Speaker 2: supervised by Tanzania Wildlife Management Authority. If you get through
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  Speaker 2: that stage, then your license to guide clients in Tanzania. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so and that's you know, even when you get licensed,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of the beginning of the journey too. There's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of learning that that will sort of pursue
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  Speaker 2: you through your career. But yeah, getting licensed is the
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  Speaker 2: first step. Ye know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm being cautious about being too redund If you've been
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  Speaker 1: following along from home, you've heard all of our our
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  Speaker 1: five by now, is that right? Five flop episodes. We
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  Speaker 1: did a specific flop episode with George about his upbringing,
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  Speaker 1: about why drafts hate drones, No and me hate drones,
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  Speaker 1: and the land land with hunting and Kenya, can you
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  Speaker 1: move gradually? Not gradually? Ken you moving away from regulated
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  Speaker 1: hunting even to the point where no bird hunting anymore.
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  Speaker 1: George talked about a little bit of his hunting there
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  Speaker 1: grow in his family's past and then coming up to
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  Speaker 1: be a professional hunter in Tanzania. So if you want
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  Speaker 1: to refer back, you can check that out. Says here
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  Speaker 1: he's just looking next to him to dirt. Dirt's here
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  Speaker 1: in love yep, But we can't talk of anything about
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  Speaker 1: who he's in love with.
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  Speaker 4: No, that's too great of a love is.
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  Speaker 1: Too grave of love. Dirt doesn't even want people to know.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna think you fell in love here. Now maybe
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  Speaker 1: I did. Dirt doesn't want people to know even he's
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  Speaker 1: so he's so protective. I think he's afraid to get
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  Speaker 1: moved in on. He's so protective that he doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: people to know he was before the show began. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want people to know what country.
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  Speaker 3: This gal lives.
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  Speaker 6: This gal lives, and I will say gender.
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  Speaker 2: She is a woman. She is a woman.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that narrows it down to like roughly fifty one
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  Speaker 1: percent of the global population.
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  Speaker 2: She's great.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're looking to a dude next to you
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  Speaker 1: and you're wondering if that who's Dirt is in love
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  Speaker 1: with not.
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  Speaker 7: Could be anyone, I wouldn't say if she's a dipper
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  Speaker 7: or not.
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  Speaker 2: Oh is she a dipper? I won't say she might
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  Speaker 2: be a dipper. I want to tell she's diper.
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  Speaker 4: No, she's not a dipper.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So Dirt's love, he's very protective about wanting it.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want anybody to find out his his his
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  Speaker 1: the love of his life lives a very private exiit
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  Speaker 1: distance dirt doesn't win anyone checking in on her, talking
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  Speaker 1: about her, asking no questions about her. I have a
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  Speaker 1: quick thing to mention and then oh, also people in
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  Speaker 1: the audience today, Krin is going to represent the audience's interests.
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  Speaker 1: So if Krinn feels that there's like a burning audience question,
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  Speaker 1: she's gonna shout it out in representation of the audience.
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  Speaker 1: You follow me, yep, because Krin has quite a list
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  Speaker 1: of things in her head that she wants discussed, so
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  Speaker 1: she's gonna jump in from behind the scenes there. It's
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  Speaker 1: for many years now we've done our annual Me and
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  Speaker 1: Jannis the Labby and Eagle. Every year we do our
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  Speaker 1: TRCP Turkey Hunt giveaway. It's that time of year again.
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  Speaker 1: The way the TRCP Hunt giveaways went in the past
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  Speaker 1: is we used to auction them off to the highest bidder,
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  Speaker 1: and it was observed by many that by doing that
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not not hacking on orthodontis here, and in
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  Speaker 1: fact we had some orthodonis, but by doing that, it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's pretty much gonna be orthodontis. Do you follow
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  Speaker 1: me like it's gonna be or when you say like
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna auction off hunt Orthodonis perk up right, So
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  Speaker 1: we switched it years ago to a raffle so that
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  Speaker 1: any any schmuck, any joe, blow off the street guy
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  Speaker 1: like dirt can come win the hunt that's going on
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  Speaker 1: right now. So we've done them in the spring before.
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  Speaker 1: This is a summer raffle to win the t RCP
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  Speaker 1: Turkey hunt with me and Gianni's how it goes is,
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  Speaker 1: you buy your ticket tickets ticket, We pick a winner.
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  Speaker 1: The winner has a friend. The winner and and the
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  Speaker 1: winner and his or her friend. All their expenses are covered.
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  Speaker 1: We we agree on a date that works for everybody
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  Speaker 1: in the spring, so it'll be this coming spring. We
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  Speaker 1: pick a date that works for everybody. It's three nights,
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  Speaker 1: two full days of turkey hunting. We always find a
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  Speaker 1: great spot to go. We cover your airfare, lodging, food,
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  Speaker 1: all expenses. If you need gear, we'll take care of
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  Speaker 1: the gear. If you need a shotgun, we'll bring you
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  Speaker 1: a shotgun to yous we get We cover your AMMO.
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  Speaker 1: Did I say license or you pay nothing? Uh? The
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  Speaker 1: All that money, though, doesn't come out of the raffle pocket,
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  Speaker 1: the raffle pile of money. All that expense is covered
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  Speaker 1: by a donor, so that when you buy a raffle ticket,
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  Speaker 1: all of your money, all of your raffle ticket money
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  Speaker 1: goes to t RCP like it all goes there, and
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  Speaker 1: then we cover all the expenses for the trip. We've
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  Speaker 1: done it a bunch of years. We have everyone that
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  Speaker 1: comes has fun we've had. If you go on TRCP thing,
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  Speaker 1: they got testimonials from past winners. Those tickets are for
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  Speaker 1: sale from now to uh the end of the month. Krian,
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  Speaker 1: can you do you mind pulling up that what that's called.
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  Speaker 2: I'll do it.
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  Speaker 1: Where you go to get these tickets? One second, you
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  Speaker 1: go if you if a person wants these tickets, they
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  Speaker 1: go to.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, man, you can probably just TRCP Turkey
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  Speaker 4: Hunt Giveaway.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, t r C.
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  Speaker 1: If you search t r CP Turkey Hunt giveaway, then
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  Speaker 1: like adding like meat eater or something like that. Oh
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  Speaker 1: even better, go to t RCP dot org and one
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  Speaker 1: of the main things you'll find on the homepage there
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  Speaker 1: is a link to buy your tickets. Then you win
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  Speaker 1: and then we you pack your bags because we're turkey
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  Speaker 1: hunting the spring.
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  Speaker 8: If you if you google tr CP Turkey Hunt Giveaway,
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  Speaker 8: the first link that comes up is the Turkey Hunt giveaway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, now it begins the uh, the Great African Recap.
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  Speaker 1: I have a number of things that that's that we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna touch on here top of my list, and these
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  Speaker 1: are in no particular order, but top my list. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna kind of jump almost to the end by saying this.
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  Speaker 1: I remember growing up fishing fresh water fish, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember getting to an age where me and my buddies
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  Speaker 1: would start going down we would like drive down to
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  Speaker 1: Florida to fish in Florida and having one day realizing
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  Speaker 1: that man fish from the ocean taste way better. Just
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  Speaker 1: generally fish from the ocean taste way better than fish
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  Speaker 1: from the fresh water. I'm not I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: like me, dude, like stuff game animals are kind of
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  Speaker 1: better here, Oh definitely. But it's not like I keep
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  Speaker 1: trying to ask myself as like a psychological thing because
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  Speaker 1: there's like a novelty to it, but there's just like
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  Speaker 1: a consistent like the antelope species, the African antelope species
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  Speaker 1: I think are I I hate say it are like
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  Speaker 1: a better table fare than American servants.
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  Speaker 2: They are.
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  Speaker 7: I'd agree with that. It's pretty good just as an eater. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: it's phenomenal, And that's really what you're saying. You're saying
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  Speaker 7: that because here there's so many species of antelope, and
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  Speaker 7: in North America we have all these dear family servid species.
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  Speaker 1: Just something about the antelope species. Yeah, antelope, but just delicious.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad you said it so I didn't
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  Speaker 2: have to, because it's I think it's it's science religious. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's borderline sacrilegious, but it's settled science now because you're
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  Speaker 2: here and you've tasted them, and no one can argue.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, let's use, for example, the war hog. It's
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  Speaker 2: an old boar. If you ate an old boar, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: obviously i'm this. You know, wild pigs aren't native to
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  Speaker 2: North America. I'm aware of that. But you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you ate an old bore of any other sort of
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  Speaker 2: species of wild hog, I think you'd be somewhat disappointed,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the way it was prepared for us, which
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  Speaker 2: is really like a grilled loin. But it was exceptional
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  Speaker 2: and it was like better than the best store bought
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  Speaker 2: pork you could find. It was unreal. Yeah, and that
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  Speaker 2: sort of is it's pretty universal. And then, as I
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  Speaker 2: always remind people we're eating the old males here. Well,
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  Speaker 2: never know because they're illegal to hunt in Tanzania. But
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  Speaker 2: imagine how good the young females taste. Yeah, that jumps
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  Speaker 2: us to a thing on my list is a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of the regulatory structure. They'll surprised by.
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  Speaker 1: No, no female anything.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: So even like a war hog, no has to be
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  Speaker 1: a male, has to be a male. Zebras which have
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  Speaker 1: very little, like visually very little sexual dimorphism.
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  Speaker 2: Yep uh, has to be a male. Has to be
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  Speaker 2: a male. You got to wait for its tail to flick. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's one way to tell. Yeah, otherwise getting a good
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  Speaker 2: look between the legs there. That's about all you've got
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  Speaker 2: to work with. And you guys have a management strategy
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  Speaker 2: on this, on this piece of ground we're hunting where
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  Speaker 2: you're like basically your philosophy is you're you're hunting things
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  Speaker 2: that are on death's door. Yeah, yeah, ideally post productive males.
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  Speaker 2: So especially for our key species, buffalo and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there are certain times where we'll take a
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  Speaker 2: ball out of a herd for various species, but in
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  Speaker 2: general those will be bulls that when we look at
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  Speaker 2: it we're like, that's actually a really old one. He's
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  Speaker 2: not going to hold onto that herd position much longer,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not going to be a bad thing for
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  Speaker 2: a younger bull to come in and take his place.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I said, I don't mean to suggest it
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  Speaker 1: was like like crippled or like you're like, yeah, looking
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  Speaker 1: for you have an awareness of what is the what
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  Speaker 1: are the sort of visual clues of an animal that's
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  Speaker 1: reached his Yeah, on the decline, not just peak, but
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  Speaker 1: reached like kind of the end of the line, absolutely
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  Speaker 1: in terms of horn growth whatever, And that's who you're after.
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  Speaker 1: Males only, old males only. Yeah, even and that stuff
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  Speaker 1: is good, oh yeah, even.
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  Speaker 2: In decline as far as horn growth, right, Like you'll
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  Speaker 2: have buffalo for example, like the one you shot, that
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  Speaker 2: have worn down. You know, they would have been longer
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  Speaker 2: at an earlier stage in their life. So that for
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  Speaker 2: us is ideal. That kind of is the cornerstone of
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  Speaker 2: the management strategy as far as off take is old
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  Speaker 2: males that are post productive or can easily be replaced
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  Speaker 2: in the population. Yeah, to get people's sense that.
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  Speaker 1: What that search is like, if you look at so
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  Speaker 1: we hunted, we focused on hunting, and we hunted for
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  Speaker 1: four different speceis of big game animals. Yeah, we knew that,
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  Speaker 1: like Kate Buffalo was the primary thing we're after. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the experience, ultimately, the experience we had hit hunting Kate
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  Speaker 1: Buffalo was a little bit different because it's you can
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  Speaker 1: sort of.
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  Speaker 2: Through things.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into it when we were making episodes about
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  Speaker 1: all this, so people be able to watch this stuff
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  Speaker 1: happen in real time or in real life, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But you can make hunting decisions that put you in
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  Speaker 1: a position where you're like targeting old bulls. Absolutely, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like you can. You can go out and kind of
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  Speaker 1: specifically like where you go, how you go about it,
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  Speaker 1: what tracks you follow, where you're kind of dismissing.
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  Speaker 2: The herds.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, in order to focus on like a loan animal
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  Speaker 1: or two animals, you can determine our old Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: we were able to go in and kind of like
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  Speaker 1: narrow our search a little bit. But on the other
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  Speaker 1: stuff we hunted, I would say that two huge examples
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  Speaker 1: stand out, like hunting Sable and hunting Warhog. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we we got the biggest of dozens not just Sable,
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  Speaker 1: but dozens of Sable.
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  Speaker 2: Bulls, yep, yep, correct. Yeah, we looked at dozens and
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  Speaker 2: dozens of them, and I couldn't get comfortable with more
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  Speaker 2: so the age than anything. There was a couple of
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  Speaker 2: bulls that I felt were mature but perhaps had some
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  Speaker 2: growing still to do. And there were a couple of
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  Speaker 2: balls that I felt were mature but maybe a little
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  Speaker 2: unimpressive as far as more one size, And I felt
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  Speaker 2: that we could do better while also still getting an
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  Speaker 2: old animal. So yeah, it was. It was something to
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  Speaker 2: where it's it's an unusual experience, right. It can be
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  Speaker 2: frustrating at times too. I mean I myself was frustrated
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  Speaker 2: on this hunt multiple times with just like how many
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  Speaker 2: of these things do we need to look at before
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  Speaker 2: I see what I'm happy with?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we will see a half dozen warhogh sometimes because
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  Speaker 1: they're in groups. So since they're in small groups, a
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  Speaker 1: half dozen warhogs day became a run and joke that
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  Speaker 1: Morgan's like mister Norman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I became the crusher of dreams, Like I
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  Speaker 2: look at a dreams.
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  Speaker 1: I look at him, mom, like that looks like a
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  Speaker 1: spectacular specimen to me.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: But all that stuff paid off, man, All that stuff
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  Speaker 1: paid off.
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  Speaker 2: Now it has a way of coming together. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's the wonderful thing about this place. You never know
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  Speaker 2: what's around that next corner. It's so vast.
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  Speaker 1: Now that we've built up the hunting round here, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to market dam because I want to. I want
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  Speaker 1: to discuss the black mom Like, yeah, I want to
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  Speaker 1: discuss the black man, because we come out and patly
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  Speaker 1: know how we got at it. Somehow someone's aware of
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  Speaker 1: black marmers, because because when when you get George h
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  Speaker 1: really quickly, just give people a quick prime around what
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  Speaker 1: is a black marble.
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  Speaker 5: Black Mamba's probably our most venomous snake that will sort
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  Speaker 5: of encounter out here. And he's he's got a pretty
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  Speaker 5: mean concoction of venom. And you've got a pretty short
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  Speaker 5: window to get the anti venom and get help. And
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  Speaker 5: then I mean, come on, you got twenty minutes, I
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  Speaker 5: think by the book. I think I think by the book,
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  Speaker 5: you've got a couple of hours. You've got three hours
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: if I'm not wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: About three hours.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Probably depends where you get zat exactly.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, they're they're pretty mean, and they you know,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: they get a lot of fan fair because they're quite
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: an aggressive snake in the text.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're an attack snake attack men.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, the only not I don't know, maybe not
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: the only in the world. This is a snake, not
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: just that you gotta like step on it to get
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: it worked up. This is a snake that comes for you.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's he's pretty moody kind of guy. You know,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: you'll you'll walk past him and he'll just he might
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: have been a bad mood.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is my hangout. Yeah, you know, welcome here, buddy,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: move onlo.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: If you want to see a great bit on the
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: a great bit on black mamas. It's fictional. But if
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: you get into the kill Bill series kill In kill
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Bill two, which is largely set in the desert Southwest,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Michael Madsen rest Rest in Peace, died while we were
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: here in Africa, Michael Madsen's character gets killed by a
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: black mamba in the possession of Daryl Hannah's character, and
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: uh she as he's dying, she runs. She has a
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: little notebook, and as she's dying, she reviews some of
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: her notes about the black mamba and gives a bunch
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: of stats about black mambas as he's dying. So you
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: could go watch that clip just type being kill Bill
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: black Mamba. You can see it. So I never didn't
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: think about it much. We somehow it came up like, oh,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: there's black mamas around here.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, should we be aware moreans like.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: They're here, but you know, odds are running into one.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just not gonna happen. Yeah, the stupidest thing I've
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: ever said. I knew when I said it too, was like,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I'm going to live to regret this. Especially Yeah, I
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: knew I was going to live to regret it. And
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: sure enough, I'm on my face.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I'm thrilled, half cool to see what we saw. So
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: first we ran into jabber Walker. Know that puff adder? Yeah,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: we ran into a puff adder and uh that's chill. Yeah,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: but we'll talk about that. I want to talk about
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that one too, because it's he was like totally mine
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: in his own business, wanted, but it led us kind
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: of a little bit, like the thing that blew my
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: mind about a puff adder. No American snake does. Like
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: when you see a snake out, his ass.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Is snaking.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Doing an s Shad's kind of perpetual locomotion via the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: s locomotion via the s right like a slither a
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: puff adder, which is another deadly snake, but you have
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a much bigger window, like a much higher survival rate
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: with the top adder. I gather that puff adder. He
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: goes down the he goes straight, exact straight line.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: He's like scaled, almost like he's got like a track,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: like you know, like like a track or something.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: He just would be like centimpew dish.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: No, because I've got little legs. It's what he's got
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: is sort of his his bottom layer of skin and
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: his top they sort of shuffle like that, you know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: he sort of shuffles his but he sort of shuffles
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: his bottom layer of skin forward his belly if you will.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: As the number. Yeah, deadly bite and very very rapid strike.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: But yeah, not as easily aroused as the mamba.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Two hits before a balloon George saying, he can hit
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: a balloon before it pops.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: You can hit it twice.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: That's the that's what they say. I don't know how
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: true that is, but they are one of the fastest striking.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Snakes, but they're like an ambush snake.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's that's our most common cases in Africa
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: is puff out a bite because.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: They're ambush predators.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: They don't move particularly fast, so you might step on him,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: and if you step on him, he's going to defend
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: himself and bite you, whereas most other snakes apart from
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: the black Man, but they move off pretty quick. So
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: he's our most common contender for snake bite victims.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: We saw one of those, we saw we saw Pope
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: at her first because it just totally my on the road,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: but mine in his own business.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: We saw a cobra. What kind of cobra is that?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I think it was an Egyptian cobra. I only got
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a quick look at it. He won and nothing to
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: do with us, nothing to do with us, so he does. Yeah,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: he split out off. But the Poffodder or the Master
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the Mamba. We're in a.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Can you explain our war rigs that sick?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's a it's a land cruiser FJ seventy
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: eight that's rigged for hunting. So it has a lot
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: of kind of custom metal framework on the back so
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: that there's places for people to sit on the back
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: on kind of an elevated platform above the cab so
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: you can kind of see out while you're cruising around.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Aside from that, you know, we really enhance the suspension
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: on those vehicles. They've got to take a lot of
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: weight in the back, Like when we load a full
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: buffalo in there, it's a lot of additional weight. So
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: there's souped up suspension and yeah, a few other little
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: mod modifications and adjustments to the vehicle to make it
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: suitable for safari. But they're a wonderful, wonderful piece of equipment. Yeah,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: loaded down with every kind of tool you can imagine.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, for sure, ray of machetes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, machetes,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: jack shovels, cold drinks, sling shot a sling shots. We
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: had nine old manner of chain and cable talked into
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: various compartments.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: There were ricks.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: We had nine ricks, nine folks in our rig the
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: whole time.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Right, tables, chairs, What else have we got on lunch George, Yeah,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: lunch box, Yeah, lunch box, got a little well, we've
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: got a bucket, trophy grining yet, trophy cares. We can
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: do trophy care in the field if we have to.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: We've got hammocks in there. A bunch of water, yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: a bunch of water. Pretty serious. First aid kit. Yeah,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: we've got a big first aid kit, like a trauma
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: kit in case someone gets injured in the field.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: At times a package of cookies on the dashboard. Yeah,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: some time an entire trip through the cookies and two. Yeah,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: that was like something that magically would refresh.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: You know, the cookie supplied right up real quick with you.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: I gotta blame Adam on that too.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Was he feeding? Was he belt feeding him?
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: No?
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I was?
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: That was like.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: We'll get in a little bit. But all a lot
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: of matches, yes, a lot of match war rigs and
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: what we're gonna touch on those matches in a minute.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: What the hell's that even getting at?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Oh so on the war rigs, the Safari rigs, there's
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: a over the cab is a storage area, yep. But
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: we would just have our camera guy, Chris gill or
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Dirt would usually sit up on that cab thing so
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: they could film back and then swing and film forward
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: as we're oute having our adventures and uh, Dirt, you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you cruise along and we'll sometimes cover I mean I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: never turned a track or function on, but I mean
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: like easily one hundred miles.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah a day.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're we're out on we're out in a
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: like a game reserve, that is.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I keep throwing this out.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: There just because I think it's easy for Americas to picture,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: whether or not they actually can picture or not, but
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: they can, they can sort of comprehend the scale. It's
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: a couple million acres, YEP, a couple of million acres.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: So that so ye, Also, National Park is just over
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: two million acres. This is about two million acres. But
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: it's joined up with a national park.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Correct, We've got a boundary with a national park,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and then the national park has a boundary with another
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: game reserve, and so it's all kind of part of
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a big contiguous ecosystem.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: YEP, with the with the major river system through it,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: with all these lagoons and swamps and stuff. And there's
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a we'll call it a road network, but it'd be
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: probably better for for an American audience to understand it
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: be like like a trail network. Yeah, yeah, like two
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: tracks would be the term I used. Yeah, two track network.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Pretty impressive, two track network that like is tenuous. The
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: land of us eat the road oh absolutely, yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: They have to be remade almost I mean every year,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of them that just go back to nature.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: They have to be rebuilt from everything. There's a lot
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: of uh, there's the Meambo, which is like a forest.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of wetlands yep, and their roads are
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: extensive but tenuous in that times slow going. But you
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: know by using winches, using people, pushing and pulling, filling
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: in wet spots with some logs and brush and stuff
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: so you can get around. You can do you know,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: one hundred plus miles of cruising around and then as
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you choose get out and walk to certain spots as well.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of big openings you can kind
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: of pull into or pull through in glass from the opening.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: So as you're cruising around, your spotting game absolutely all
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the time. Well, there's a little bit of midday doldrums, yeah,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: when you kind of kick it like anywhere hunting like
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you know, that sort of twelve thirty to three thirty
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: kind of sucks. Mornings are great, Evenings are great. You
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: spot a lot of game. And we had had this
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: joke that dirt only can over the days over a
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, like dirt could now and then spot
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: a warhog if it was in a twelve o'clock position.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Because that's being aware of the branch at head heights too.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's watching for getting hitting the head by branches.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: He's watching for branches. Would occasionally to see a word.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I'm getting this. I'm getting into our black Mama story.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell my perspective because it was incomplete, and
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: then Dirt can share his perspective. Whatabit So periodically maybe
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: once a day, once every two days, dirtbile gesture out front.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: He'll do like a like a gesture, and I'll know
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to look off and I feel like I'm looking for
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: whatever animal Dirt sees out front. So a cruise road,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Dirt gifts like the like the outfront gesture, and I'm
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: looking and and and I'm trying to figure out what
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: it is. Dirt's gesture turns into him beating the top
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: of the truck.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: With his hand.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I didn't know how to say stop in Swahili.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: He's beating that, he's beating the and I'm still trying
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on. And only then does
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: it like occur to me because by that point Dirt
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: is trying to get off the top of the trucks,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: roll off the cab into the back of the truck,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and Dirt explained what what he's seeing as.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: This is taking place.
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: Well, I was looking for the war Hogs out at
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: twelve o'clock and I remember someone just I think you
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: guys talked about her like out of the corner. In
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: the corner of my brain, I had heard if you
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: see a black Mama, you don't want to drive over
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: it because it will raise up and potentially smack you
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: through the window, which in my mind was kind of fictitional,
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: but it just stuck.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: We note then would like hit a stick and the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: stick would jump up and hit the side of the truck,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and I'd make the joke black MoMA.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: We were talking about the con dent trucks. Yeah, well,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and they will when you're in the back there, you're
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you're quite exposed, and they they do rear op as
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: we saw.
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: Oh yes, So I saw this big ass snake and
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: it just kind of froze me up, and I was like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: that's probably freaking black mamba and we're about to drive
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: over it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: And I just couldn't use my words, and we.
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: Had been slapping the roof to stop per game, and
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: I just started slapping and trying to back up and
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: then that sucker, I'll let you take it back over.
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: But it it was going away from us. It was
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: going away from us. We were I don't know, fifteen
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: twenty feet and at some point it became aware of
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: our presence and busted up four feet.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, I'm taking that to the grave. I don't
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: know if that's true.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was four.
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: I mean Chris could see him throw over the hood,
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: but yeah, lifted up his body and came at us.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Don't way I could describe it. I had no idea,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: like i'd heard about him, I had no idea. The
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: way I describe it is that he's got like a
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Locknus monster. Yeah, totally where he's like, you know, Locknus
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: monster is down the water, but its neck is I mean,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: he's cruising around. It doesn't make sense mechanic. No, if
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: he's seven feet long when he's cruising around, three and
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: a half feet of him were straight up. Yeah, but
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: he can cruise around like that.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he can move still. Yeah, and we like.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: He goes through the woods like he's like he goes
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: through the woods at that moment, And I'm sure normally
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: there's sneaking long he's going through the woods. He's like
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: like providing his own crow's nest.
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's good that Morgan before he reared up,
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: you saw him and said back up, because if we
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: weren't backing up, he would have came.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: He looked like he's gonna come on the hook. He
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: was gonna come on. I think he would have, but
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you never know, You never know. But yeah, once we
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: sort of started reversing, he moved off fortunately. Yeah, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: then the guys were all gung ho to go and
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: see if they could cure, which I very quickly put
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: the kibo on that on that plan.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like he like is going away. I didn't see
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: him going away. I see him like coming at the
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: truck and he like it's a false charge.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: And then he leaves off in the woods.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: When he leaves off from the woods, he's still got
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: his head up. Yeah, so you can watch his head
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: going cruising like like belt buckle high cruise. Yeah, through
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the woods.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: It's the most crazy thing I've ever magic.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dark, intimidating.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Oh so weird, and it's not one of those things
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: that happens now and then like like I remember like
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: always hearing about lionfish, you know, and like, you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: you don't want to get hit by a lionfish. And
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: you get hit by a lionfish and you're all worried
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: about it, and but it winds being not that big.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Of a deal.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: But you said it hurt like hell.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Hurts like hell, but not a big deal. YEA, like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: a bullet ant. People like, oh watch out, you don't
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: gets hit by a bullet ant, you know. And I
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: got stung by bullet ant. Not a big deal. But
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the more we get talking about these black mambas, dude's
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: like a big deal. It's a major problem.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Now it's a serious problem. You've got a serious problem.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: But I have to I mean, I'm obligated to say
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: that black mamba sidings, snake sightings in general here relatively rare.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: We just had a really good run of them on Safari.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: It's like there's there is an absolutely perfect parallel. There's
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: a perfect parallel, and it is grizzly bears in the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Northern Rockies.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: You guys spend all this time here around black momas.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: You're like, probably won't see one, which I gather is
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: totally true. We covered hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: miles and walked all over Hell and drove all over
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Hell and saw a grand total of one Yeah, okay,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: he did not bite anybody, right, so like non issue.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: But for people that are sort of like what now,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: what's this now about this thing? You know, and then
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you see it, it like it was not you can't
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: bucket it in close calls at all. Right, it wouldn't even,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: it doesn't even it didn't even deserve like close call relegation.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: But it was just like a shocking I guess the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: thing that was shocking to me was the snake athleticism
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and athleticism and the idea that the snake would ever
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: decide to like be like I'm gonna like, I'm takking
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: on this land cruiser, dude, and I don't care.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's an unusual it's a wild set
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: of behavior behavior for a snake, yeah, for sure. But
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: we saw one.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't want to overblow it to people
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, you're gonna killed by a
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: black mom, because that stucks annoying. Like people think they're
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: gonna get killed by mountain lions, anything killed by bears
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna get killed by everything under the sun.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. Nothing happened to us, George. You
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: ever been killed by a black mom?
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: But I'm still was born.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: In the bush across the border and grew up on
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a ranch.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still alive. Yeah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they get they get a little fan fact because
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: they're just different.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the fan fair. Yeah, it would be like the Yeah,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: back to the grizzling. Let's say you see your grizz
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: and you know, and he takes five steps towards you
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: before running off. That sticks with you for the rest
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: of your life. Yeah, and people that know bears be
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: like that bear was no.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Wrist to anybody. Yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't. He was serious. He was wondering what
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: you were and you ran away. Yeah, but in your
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: head you're.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: Like, good, Yeah, this person's a grizzly charge.
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: Today on our on our cruise, we passed some water
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: and there was a crocodile in there and I wasn't
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: aware that the Swahili word for crocodiles mambah.
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: It was like.
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: And everyone was so excited, everyone was ready and I
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: had to put like pull cold water on it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: It's a Swil word for crocodile.
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: And mambo means hello, right.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Mambo is jambo is so yeah, it's they're both forms
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: of grading. Yeah, one's very informal and one's sort of
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: a little more formal mamba.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I think the only Swahili word I act for animals
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: that actually got was.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Bogo buffalo buffalo. Yeah, it's a good one. Good ones.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you always feel a little out of the loop. Yeah,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: they say a word like no, what now, what is it?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I try to be pretty quick on the draw. You
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: do a great job, You do a great job.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Well, there's nothing worse than sitting there and you haven't
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: seen it and you're wondering if it's like your target
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: species is a good one, and like we're chattering back
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: and forward without you even knowing what what's there? So
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: it's it's critical.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you were quick to point out today that
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: there is in fact not a black, in fact not
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a black, but.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: It's a crocodile. We're doing where it is.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I want to hit on the back out of my
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: notes that I got open. I'm going to run through
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: this is against my better judgment to run through our
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: list because it's so damn long. Yeah, like who would
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: have a tension span long enough to hear what we
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: ran into?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I suspect it's incomplete too, so let's give
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: it a let's give it a Listen to this now.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I got the ten game animals and got bored. I'm
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: gonna do them all. I was trying to tell people
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: how maming around the list. Yeah, okay, a common read book.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: That's the white tail deer. Yeah, they they a white tail.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: It has runs through the woods like like it the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: white tail deer, and this animal took totally separate paths
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: and landed at a very similar group.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Converging evolution brought them together.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: They split at about the same time, like you know,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: you catch them. He's like, oh, sure, takes off. He's
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: got a little tail, just different, totally different coloration.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: M Yeah. I kept we kept joking.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I think maybe to Morgan's annoyance, we kept joking about
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: how much they reminded us of white tailed deer.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: No, no, I see, I see the similarity. But he's
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: is it an analope species? It is an analytic Okay.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: He's got a horn, Yeah, he's a horn. And they're beautiful.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I mean they gorgeous creatures. I really enjoy them.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: We saw a bunch of topey, Yes, many hundreds of
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: tope hundred top which are you know how you explain them? Man,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: crazy looking animal. They're like being around the river flats,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the water game, open planes. What are a couple hundred pounds?
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, something in that range, A couple hundred two
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: fifty something like that. A big ball, I would put it.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Like most people who watched grow up watching nature documentaries
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: are familiar with a wilder beast. Yes, there's a couple
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of animals that to me had a wilder beastie vibe.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that sort of higher front and that sort
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: of rocking gait. Yeah, you could certainly say that's true
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: of topy. They're a little small, a little less sort
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: of boxy than a wilder beast, and they're in that
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: kind of harder beast family. Beautiful animals.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Again, so these are things like we had we weren't
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: if we were hunting, we would have had a hell
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: of a time. Oh sure, yes, we would have had
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. The reed buck is.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: An animal that like seems that that's going to take
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: some doing.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially early season here with the high grass, the
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: reed buck have got a lot of places to hide.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: They're an open plaines thing too, those you know we
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: call them in bookers, you know, those open areas where
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: there's just sort of more sparse vegetation. It's not the
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: forest proper, there's kind of an edge habitat there. They
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: like that edge habitat, so they'll be in those and bookers.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: But this time of year, unless the grass has been
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: dealt with through burning, they're extremely difficult to spot edge habitat.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: You say, yeah, once again, white tail deer, yep, the
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Liechtenstein harder beast, quite an abundant critter.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Yep, Lichtenstein's harder beast, very abundant here.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: And then a coloration that really just says here, I.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Am yeah, that's sort of rusty brown.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: That's like a that's a beginner's if you want to
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: spot animals. That's a good beginner's animals. One yet, the
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: white rump, white running, reddish body. You're like, there's one. Yeah, ye,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I don't do that. I got what's that?
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Very wary, you know, very very keen eyesight, A very
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: worthy species to hunt. Enjoy them a lot.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: The defasser water buck, which has if you ever see
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a deer on a super cold when they're when deer
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: in the winter put all their hair puff all their
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: hair out the way some birds do. Like he's just
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: trying to keep warm, puffs all his hair out like that. Yeah,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the water buck.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got a very coarse hair bush buck. H Uh.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Sable yep, which we hunted for.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Ye.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: This is like one of the most kind of like
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: holy ship looking of the animals. The bulls. We're hunting sable.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: The bulls turn black. Yeah, jet black, I mean black
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: like a black horse is black with the main and
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: then like an outstanding set at horns, exceptional, really impressive.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Sides coming out of their head.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Inch.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I wish yeah, uh forty inch sides's coming
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: out of their head like are really like wow, yeah
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: looking animal in the fact the females are reddish.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: The females are reddish brown, rusty again rusty brown. Uh.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Nile.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Crocodile, which is a game animal because if you buy
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: a hunting licenses on your hunting correct hunt crocodiles.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: We saw at night.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Driving at night, we saw a leopard and also saw
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of leopard tracks we did, but one we
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: got lucky, probably real lucky, real lucky, and a female
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: leopard came out and boogie down the road in front
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: of us. And at one point Morgan doesn't want to
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: be quoted on this, but we're talking about leopards. So
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: leopard is a mountain a little bit, I would say,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: like a little bigger than a mountain lion.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: So in this area, in this area, you see males
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: that are what one sixty one seventies.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a big male, a being that one sixty one
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: seventy somewhere in the middle there, yep.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: So it can happen with like that can happen with
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: mountain lions. But in some areas their top end kind
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: of passes up the mountain lion top end. But interesting
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: thing about leopard, So leopards are spotted like a jaguar,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: but there are so many more. There's such a denser
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and that there's so much more abundant on the landscape.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: The mountain lions. Yeah, absolutely much smaller home range. There
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: can be many of them in the area, yep, because
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of game and it's much more like
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: like when you're out in this area, they're just around
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: like right now, around our our leopards. These guys commonly
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: hear them at night yep. Absolutely, yeah, they walk right
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: through camp sometimes.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: So we saw one.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: A lot of dikers, a lot of dykers, which is
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: a little shit.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: And how many pounds is that.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Like her twenty pounds no, unless somewhere in that fifteen
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: twenty range, I'd say maximum. And when you see him,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: he's usually moving. He's twelve foot leaps. Yeah, very agile
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: clip springers yep, which is a little diker like rock yep.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Very specialized analoge. They like to hang out on rock
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: out crops. They've got specially adapted little hoofs with kind
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: of a leathery pad on the bottom so they can
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: kind of hop around and get really good traction on
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: the rocks.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, all told, we saw I don't
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: know thirty dikers and saw the grand total of one
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: who stood still for one moment.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there was one that sits still.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, drafts not a game animal. Not a game Tanzania.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: It's the national animal. It's our it's our bald eagle.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Correct or, Now we have a national mammal, the American bison.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: But let's go with the bald eagle analogy because it
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: shoot that thing very much, but lots of them, lots
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: of daily occurrence.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Very much so, yet very abundant in this area. Warhog.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that cape buffalo. We saw and got
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: a rone which is uh sable like we covered off
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: on sables, but the roan bulls or roane color or
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: tan color, Yep, a little bit kind of maybe a
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: little bit of a heavier horn, much shorter, Yeah, heavier horn,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: slightly shorter and a bit of a stockier body than
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: a sable. Yeah, like a small like a like a
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man like it, like the height of
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: a small mule.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, they're tall baboons all over damn plays. Lots
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: We saw greater kudoo, Yeah, we saw lots. Yeah that lights,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: we saw maybe over a dozen zebras. Yeah, yep, we
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: saw a orby we saw it and yeah, and uh
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: a male orbiye was that that little guy yet? The
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: little guy which I had never even heard of. Yeah,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: and it was a fine specimen, but I didn't feel
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: comfortable shooting something i'd never heard.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Of, much to our dismay, because they're delicious and it
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: was a particularly good special again, right, Yeah, small, a
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: little longer in the leg than your dayker, a little
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: longer in the body too, and and the neck as
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: well for that matter. But they're they're very pretty pretty animal. Again,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: they hang out in those and bookers. We saw Eland,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: We saw Eland. A couple we saw today. One we
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: hadn't seen yet in Pala. We saw it in Pala.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Probably more stuff we have, well, hippo if.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: We're collective animal too, in power, a couple of vervet monkey.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw hippo. We saw a number of very
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: small cat species.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: We did yet. We saw a ganet cat, an African wildcat,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: which is rare. And then we saw what's that little
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: bugger it was out running on Yeah, that was a
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: big deal. That was very cool. That's a very reciting.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: We got extremely lucky on this safari with like headlight
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: spottings of just cool and unusual animals you don't typically
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: run into.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: So we saw we're talking about with the exception of
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the nile crocodile. We saw over here's the point. We
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: saw over twenty species of like medium to large size
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: mammal game species and it's like this, it's this very
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: obvious point that you could have set it to me
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: and I would have like intellectually accepted it. But you
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: have to live it, like like the places scene is
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: alive all when we're talking about whenever we sit around,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and we do it often on this show. We have
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: anthropologists come in, paleontologists come in, archaeologists. We kind of
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: marvel about, like the megafauna, the extinctions of the megafauna
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: in North America. Yep, right where we lost the horse.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: We lost all these different like draft species. You know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: we lost our elephants. Saw a lot of elephant tracks,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: but some weirdly, Yeah, I was very surprising thig as
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: they are, like we saw elephant tracks a lot of
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: days we cut elan.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the tall grass again was not and you'd be
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: amazed at how well they can just melt into that
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: tall grass.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: And you know that, I've heard a lot of people
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: mention in my readings that people talk about that you
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: sort of like not seeing the forest for the trees
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit very much. So people be like you're
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: thirty feet from an elephant, and also you realize there's
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: an elephant because it's just like n Yeah, yeah, it's
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: becomes like the lands. It's not it's not an animal
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: on landscape. It almost becomes like the landscape people talk
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: about does yeh and thick stuff. And you also realize like,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: oh my god, there's a ear. Yeah, they realized it
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: was in front of them as an elephant.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Gray tree trunks sort of with the gray high
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: they are deceptively difficult to spot.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: It'll seem wild to people, but passing like going by
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: a drafte You also, it's it's in plain sight that
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: you don't see it. You read it like you read
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the legs like trees. Yeah, because you're looking for like
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know I'm looking for, you know, being especially
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: being a hunter from America, I'm looking for like I'm
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: looking for shit that's about one hundred and fifty pounds. Yeah,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: and you you know, which is about yay high, right,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: So it's about like yay high at the shoulder, right,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: but high at the shoulder. And so you get like
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: when you're out on the hunt, you have a site
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: picture and you're not realizing that four of those trees
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: are like draft legs.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: It's you can't explain it until you live it, but
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: you just you look through them.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you do. They are very very well camouflaged.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: When they stand still, they kind of just they blend
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: in and that kind of the pattern they have just
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: breaks up their outline. So well. They're impressive.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: And to this, to this place, to see an extinction point,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: it'd be like the richness of of what's here that
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: you have so behind us right now somewhere out here
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: we saw that we didn't see what we saw a
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: lot of the tracks. You have wines, leopards, and then
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: a whole of small cat species. You have a hyena,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: so then know and like it's not probably even technically
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: a keenaine is it, But like, no, it's not a
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: not a true hyenas jackals afric Oh.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: We saw a jackal.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: That we saw, Yeah, would mongoose go on the list
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: two or no?
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: No, no, it's like a weasel equivalent adjacent.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: But then like.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Dozens of species of horned dozens of kinds of horned animals.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: The biodiversity here is incredible, and the specialization is the
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: thing that always impresses me. You'll find it. The clipspring
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: is a great example an antelope that's adapted just to
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: live on rock out crops, and grays the sort of
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: surrounding margins of those rockout crops, use them for shelter
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: and to get away from predators. It's really impressive.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: You might be like on a big you may be
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: like cruise along a big ridge top, like a big
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: flat top ridge top, and on it you'll get into
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: area where there's outcrops. Then also shooting across the road
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: as a cliffs where you're like you would point out
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: like he's he's associated with that rock outcrop. He that's
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: his little zone.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: Did they Did you get the Keshii wood for a
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: clips bringer? No, pretty cool, call him Buzi mawe, which
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: direct translation is real good.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Oh really, Oh yeah, pretty cool.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: There was a thing I had, Like I keep pointing
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: out this thing too, like maybe to the point of
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: being annoying.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Is uh.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: You grew up on wildlife documentaries like out in the
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Serengetti yep, right, like, and I can see why, Like,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: if you want to fill a bunch of wildlife, go there.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Everything's wide, the grass is you know, there's grass. You
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: have scattered trees and you can just see all the
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: stuff here. You're in a lot of you're in forested country.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Oftentimes you're in forested country, so you have in your
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: head that you're gonna have these like panoramic views of
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: all of the off out mingling out in the open
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: in the in the forested area. It's very much like
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: being you know, it's like there's like deciduous trees here. Yes,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of times you're you're in that environment where
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: you're like, it's not this great abundance. It's just like
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: scatterings of things, but they're different. But then today we
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: had Today we went out and do a big I
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: don't know what you can call it, well, sort of
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: a floodplane. Yeah, like a big grass floodplane along of
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a coursing very swampy river like picture kind of river
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: that's got crocodiles and hippos in it, and there's this
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: mass grass flats coming off that. And there was a
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: time where you're like, you're you're standing there and within
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the thousand yards of you are hundreds of animals.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep. There was an impressive concentration of game down there,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: and that'll that'll happen more and more as the season
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: wears on. So one of the things that we've been
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: up against on this safari and we've kind of used
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: it to our advantage a little bit, but definitely been
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: somewhat hindered by is that there's still a huge amount
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: of water inside the myombo. Inside the forest, there's little
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: water holes. I mean, we saw a lot of them
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: when we were tracking Buffalo and tracking other game. You'll
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: be kind of walking through the bush and then suddenly
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: there's a bit of soil that's kind of low lying
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: and there's standing water in there, or there's a little
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: spring that's still seeping from the rainy season that in
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: a few weeks here will be dry. Or there's a rock,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: you know, a rock area where spring's leaking into a
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: rock and there's a collection of water. That stuff is
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: definitely dispersing the game because a lot of animals don't
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: need to go down to the river to drink. There's
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: grass on those and boogers. There's grass on the freshly
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: burnt sections, and there's little pockets of water that they
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: can locate throughout the Miombo forest to where they don't
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: need to concentrate on those floodplains. As those water sources
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: dry up, you'll see a greater concentration of game later
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: in the season. But certainly to your point about the Serengetti,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: this ecosystem doesn't have that kind of game concentration. It's
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: naturally just a more dispersed, lower kind of yeah, lower
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: yield as far as numbers of game per acre or
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: hectare or whatever metric you want to use. But nonetheless,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: the biodiversity is incredible. It's unbelievable.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: But today we saw the mass amount we saw there
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: was like you could see legno ahead of us. There's
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: forty k buffalo, about seven zebras, hundreds of toby Yeah,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: and then there was a couple Okay.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: There's some impalor off there, and there's some water buck
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: as well, but like hundreds, hundreds, Yeah, unbelievable. It was unbelievable,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: all mixed in, yeah, all mingling together, making noises, the
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: bulls chasing each other around. It was impressive. It was
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: a beautiful morning.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Uh oh, you know, I was gonna mention we watched
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: one water source go on, don't if you remember that.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: When we got here we went to shoot. Yes, the
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: bad boons took off, but one bad boon didn't realize
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I was his left because he had his head down
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and out in a rock. Ye drinking and I looked,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I peered down in there the ore day and that's gone.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Try Yeah, classic example. So he's like he lost his
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: little water pocket. Yeah yeah, and something like that could
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: support one old buffalo ball or a handful of other
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: planes game species that would come in just for that amount.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: And so now that's gone, those have moved on to
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: another water source, and that'll kind of continue to happen
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: until a lot of stuff's concentrating around the permanent water.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: One of the things that surprised me most grass fires.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: We got one going.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying I'm gonna I don't know if you know,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: but I've told him I'm going to try to get
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: a job with Robin Hurt. It's going to be chief
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Ignition Officers.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: You were going to be VP, I think ignition.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to have like a sort of an
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: assessment rule and monitoring. That's right, Yeah, perfect, signed me up.
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: In reading.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: North American history, Native American land use North American history
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: like there's not there's not many like landscape environmental historians
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: that you can that you can talk to about pre
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: European history in North America that don't comment on the
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: active quality of human caused wildfires on the landscape, even
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: to the point where like this is kind of I
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: don't want to open up too I don't want to
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: open up too crazy a thing here, But European diseases
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: when European European diseases kind of like swept the landscape
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: quicker than Europeans did when they when they arrived in
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: the New World. So North and South America, European diseases
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe killed as many as ninety percent of the
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: humans that lived in North and South America.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: It's a it's a debated thing, like.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: There's there's no way it was leftless than fifty There's
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: like no one argues that it was less than fifty
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: maybe as many as ninety percent of people by diseases.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Climatologists can see in like you know, like in glaciers
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: and things that store I'm trying not to go too
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: deep in this picture, glaciers where you have annual deposition
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: of atmospheric conditions that you can dig a core and look, Yeah,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: climatologists can point to when that happened, that bracket of
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: years when the Americans were depopulated by a sudden and
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: dramatic reduction in ash.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, that makes sense.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: People were burning, people were benning, and like you read
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: and it's so hard to picture. You're reading about history
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: of like they'd burn to a tract, game, they'd burn
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: to open up the landscape. Right, they burn for agricultural
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: purchase purposes. I mean you read about in the Great Planes,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of people talk about big fires that
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the planes tribes. They're like, oh, no, they burned it
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: all off to track buffalo on the planes that goes
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: on here.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: It does. Yeah, this is a fire adapted ecosystem. So
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: same thing you can easily imagine. And there is you know,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: understanding the people that inhabited this place prior to let's
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: say four to six thousand years ago is a pretty
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: in exact science. It's not really clear exactly who was
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: here and what they were doing, but you can easily
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: imagine that they would have burned for all of those
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: same reasons that we still burn today, which is getting
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: rid of that excessive decadent grass that's of no value
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: feed value to animals, and it is difficult for them
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: to move through and kind of navigate their way through.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: It's you know, it's clearing out the forest of fuel loads,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: so you get a very cool, quick moving fire, but
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: it doesn't damage frees through it. Oh yeah, absolutely no. Yeah,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: we've had to drive through it a number of times
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: because we've lit in one lit one and then realized
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: that the road we were taking is a dead end.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Right, you can kind of like STARp our go through
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: whatever like doesn't harm the trees. Those very slowly, very
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: low heat.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: And when it's happening this time of year, we don't
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: get rain, so you're not putting runoff into the rivers.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: And it's we saw on the safari. The way that
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: fire helps the habitat and helps us as hunters kind
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: of goes hand in glove. But the early part of
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: the Safari, we were burning furiously. I mean anything that
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: did take a match, we'd set a match to it,
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: just to burn that decadent grass and exercise of where
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: we're sitting, or it might burn ten thousand acres. You
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: lit a couple of couple of beauties, a couple for
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: the books You should be, You should Be. But then
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: towards the latter part of the Safari, we actually started
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: to see that bearing fruit where we went places that
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: we'd set fire to on day two or three, on
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: day seven, eight nine, and there was already regrowth, green
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: shooting grass and game.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Absolutely indisputable, indisputable. The game moves on. Like I was
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: laying out a scientific experiment, I still want you to do.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I want you to go in and mechanically clear an area,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: rake it, clip everything, and scrape it out and then
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: burn it area next to it and see what the
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: regrowth pattern it's like.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Man, it comes back. Well.
• 58:22
  Speaker 8: The A good example of that is the runway strip.
• 58:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah that's mode, yeah you guys. And George was saying
• 58:29
  Speaker 8: that how they removed all the grass?
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we rake it, so no burning on that.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty good example you could see.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: And is it green up real nice? Not as well
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: as the burd not close.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Is there something about that burning man where the grass
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: like it's such a low like we're not talking about
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: new grass, it's just the plants, the grass plants that
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: are there. Reshoots just aweso yep, reshoots.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: There's enough residual moisture in the soil, not so much
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: up here on these sort of rocky escarpments where we
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: are now, a lot of that will stay burned until
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: the new rains come in, but it's great to clear
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: the fuel load out of here. So again you're protecting
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: the forest. If you do get a hotter burn, it
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: could potentially damage this beautiful canopy we've got up here.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: But down there lower in the lower lying areas, the
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: residual soil moisture is such that when you do one
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: of those burns three four days, you'll have fresh shoots
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: starting to emerge. And it is as opposed to the
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: raked area, it's brand new grass like it's got all
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: you can just see from looking at it, the like
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: the vitality of the area. It's so nourishing looking. It's
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: like bright green and like tender i. And the main
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: point being for a fellow like me and south here
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: is that you are transported to a time and place
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: where anytime you feel like it, you can throw match.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the courage you not can you You're.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 8: You're doing stuff all day long that you would be
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 8: a felling for in Montana.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're driving down the road. Took me a while
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: driving down the road in the track or is just
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: with matches behind.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 8: We would we would stop to take a p break
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 8: and you get out, take a leak and I'd.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: Strike a match and light whatever on fire and hop
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: back in the truck.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go. Oh is fourth of July? All
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: kinds of stuff. It was fun.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Matter of fact, one of my prime rippers.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: What's fourth of July?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: That one was a good one. When we were driving
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: out and seeing that whole hillside, it was beautiful. It
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: was pretty cool after shooting a buffalo.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, next time, next time. My list the Tetsi Fly
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: odd critter, odd critter, terrible. We last the day at
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Tetsi Fly.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: He gets a six month run lived six months, she
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: gets a six months. She gets a six month run drawn.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: To move moving vehicles, yes, very motion sensitive. They want
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: to be where there's motion.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: You don't.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: I normally think about bugs, like if you're cruising along.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Let's say you're back home and you're cruising along and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: you're like, you know you're gonna stop and get out, right.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: If you drive along on a four wheeler or something
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: or can am and you're like your cruise along and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: you're like, eventually we're gonna stop and get out. When
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: we stop and get out, we're go and get swarmed
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: by mosquitoes. Here they get you while you're driving, it's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: all flipped the opposite. While you dri they just stop
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: and the and get.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: You as like a serious apply.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Chris liking he had that. He liked to get in taste.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they touch and neve, but then like you, you
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: get out of a sudden it's like god, yeah, they
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: like fast.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: There's an odd bug and they're hard to kill. You
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: gotta really roll them a few times to.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Get got a pretty strong XO skeleton.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: My my program got, uh, my program got way to developed.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Like you, like Morgan, you wear a heavy gauge Do
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: you wear a heavy gauge material? Yeah, he wears like
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: a heavy Yeah. You'd look at me like that might
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: be a little uncomfortable in the hot part of the day,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: but he's thinking, because it's like super light, they can
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: get through. And eventually kind of got my whole program
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: squared away up to the point where the only thing
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I wished I had now and then there's.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: A light peer gloves and face covering. Yeah, I mean
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: the drivers are wearing jackets.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah for peak Tatsy, the driver's seat's a bad place
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, we caught the fly box.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the sham Tatsy teas peak tatsy is like what
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: like like five thirty, four thirty to five thirty.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they get a little peckish before before bedtime. In
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: the morning they come in and you might be going
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: through a bad spot and they come in and say hi.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: But that night they're like ready to rip. Yeah, and
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: then it gets dusk and gone.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, smoke's helped to smoke helps you know.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: We did the.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Off a dunge bucket. Yeah, you get a get a
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: bucket or a small can and you put some elephant
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: dry elephant dunge in there and it's smold as very smoky,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: smoldering kind of greasy fire and it works its them off.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Any kind of smoke puts them off. A breeze puts
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: them off. Burned off areas they don't like. There's a
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: certain little pockets though, where you become like very Waird
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: of suckers. And I was always really and I knew
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: him and read about him because how they used to
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: be like a real uh, they used to be like
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: a health crisis in some places and the like for sorry,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: they used to be like a like a live stock. Yes,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: they still they are. They still are like a like
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: a like a major livestock.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, that would kill live So I mean, when you
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: think about how much we get bitten on a day,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: which is as extreme as it was for some of
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: you guys, and you know it is what it is.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: It goes with the territory. But he was saying, we
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: didn't see better than the We didn't see the worst
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: day we ever had it four out of let me
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: tell you, even for me and I high tolerance. But
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: the game and live stock are just being bitten constantly, constantly,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: So they do kill, they do transmit tripanasamiasis to the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: live stock. The game has a natural immunity, the livestock
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: does not. So for that reason, my relationship with the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Tatsy is complicated because I see them very much as
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: part of the guardians of this area and of these
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: wilderness areas, because if they weren't here, it would have
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: been all too easy to just bring cattle in the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: in years gone by. Now, obviously we have the wonderful
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: protection kind of regime that we have, but you know,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: in years gone by, when there was a bit more
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: of a free for all as far as that stuff,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: you know, even during the colonial period and before, these
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: areas would have had a lot of livestock in them,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: and we're lucky we don't.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you get into if you go down the path,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: and I think I'm just starting in and I'm going
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: to do some more. But reading about early Europeans wars
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: trying to penetrate into Africa, like you think that they're
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: all getting dusted off by lions and stuff they were
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: dealing with. Earlier mentioned like European diseases going to the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: New World and people not being prepared to deal with them. Yeah,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Europeans like eighteen hundreds, late seventeen hundreds, whatever, Europeans would
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: come to Africa and insect borne pathogens absolutely flattened by them. Yeah,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: it would be like that'd be like the thing that
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: would get them. Oh, it's when you read they didn't
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: understand where it was coming from. No, No, there wasn't
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: that knowledge of parasites and whatnot. And when you read
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: the accounts and memoirs and biographies of those early explorers,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: they were constantly sick with the fever, you know, and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: you know, fever's kind of the catch all term they use,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: so you can extrapolate a lot of it was probably malaria.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Dengey's another one blackwater fever. I mean even even stuff
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: you know, water born stuff too, that sort of under
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: that catch all of fever. But they were constantly sick.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Morgan showed us a tree they called the fever tree.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: It is like down in some of the swamp lands
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: near the river, there's this tree that is kind of
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: an inviting looking tree.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: That's a very shady tree here.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's and people like traveling on the river
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: whatever would come up and make camp and you'd go
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: under the tree, and then then eventually all get sick.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: And he was saying, they're like, there's something about that tree.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: I realized that false correlation between the tree and it
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: was like, you're right near the water, that's where the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: mosquitoes are, and so you wind up getting malaria. U.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: One of the highlights of the trip for sure. You
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: talked to the trackers when when we first did a show.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: One of the things that excited me about wanting with
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: you it is, uh, how respectful you were to the
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: to the job of the trackers. How you put a
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: lot of credit on the trackers right, and how you
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: also like you kind of put it not not mystically,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: but uh uh you put it like they understand things
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: that you you don't and won't never understand. They see
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: things that you don't and won't ever understand what you're
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: looking at, to the point where sometimes when we're out,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: like you've just gotten to a point where you just
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: take the word and you don't need to be like,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: well show me what you're talking about. Yeah, like we're
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: going we were at one point track and some buffalo
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: and we're going along and I'm like, just I don't
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: see what in the world you know? And I say
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: to Morgan, I don't get what they're looking at. Morgan said,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: that's the point. They see things, not that you don't
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: won't he said, they see things that you can't see.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: And at the end of that trail is a buffalo.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Every time, it's just like it's and so you'll just
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: at times they'll be like that's what's going on, and
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: you never like, well show me the evidence.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: You're just like got it. I'm white.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: You don't like, you don't go like, are you sure
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: show me what you're talking about. I'm like, what does
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: he mean? What's he talking about? What's he looking at?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Morris is beyond that is like it's just what it is.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: That's just the truth.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. It is the absolute truth. I
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: mean they Yeah, these guys are brilliant. They are brilliant,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: brilliant humans in so many more ways than one. And
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: you're the tracking is it's masterful. I mean, it's an
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: incredible thing to watch. But they're real hunters too, Oh yeah,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: I mean they really like hunting tactics. Wise, I do.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: I bounce a lot of ideas off them. Oftentimes, if
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: I see one of the guys has got a concept
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: of how we might complete a stalk, I'll run with
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: it because they have great instincts on that stuff too.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: They're very very sharp on the hunting piece obviously, the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: tracking piece and game spotting their second to none. And
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: like fun guys to be around also.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Through the language barrier. Yeah no, just ready to laugh
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: and like just tuned in. There's a thing like this
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: thing I marveled about. And one of the ways I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: marveled about was families at work. Marveled about is families
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: that have for generations and generations been in livestock where
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: I can't prove it, and it's like I feel like
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: there's some kind of science there and that it's not
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: well understood. But if you came into it, and I'm
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: anything but a rancher at all, but like if you
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: came into ranching at like twenty or thirty years old.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: You're never going to catch up. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: There's something you can't put your finger about it. Like
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: I said, it defies scientific understanding. But like someone a
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: kid who's born into a livestock family sort of like
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: through some kind of like genetic freakishness, absorbs a bunch
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: of the knowledge. Yeah, so me like like a little kid,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: like he's looking at a horse and he's seeing a
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: set of things. Yeah, and you're looking at a horse
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: and you see a horse.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, do you follow me?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: It's like there's certain things like that you just absorb
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: and you're never gonna catch them, right, And there's like
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: it's like with the trackers. It's not like the knowledge
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: of what track is, what is somehow uh in a
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: genetic code, but there's just something about.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna catch them. No, you'll never catch them,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: And it's like it's like there's something about having that.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: There's something about like the upbringing, the attributes that would
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: have been necessary to like exist on the landscape for
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: a long time. It's just something that like it probably
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: isn't taught.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: No, it's not taught.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: There's it's just like notice that they can't I'm like
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: finding like I can't find the words for it. Like
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna catch them, No, you'll never catch them.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: There.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: My theory that I've kind of explained before is they're
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: like both born and made. They have some inherent traits.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of it's probably what you're talking
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: about just being raised. The environment they're raised in has
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: kind of shaped them. They obviously got excellent ice, which
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: is something that's you know, you're born with that, but
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: they have a knowledge.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Guys are using the best of the best too. Oh yeah,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: so you're not just grabbing guys up the street. You're
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: using guys that stand out as professional, exemplary, like the best.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they are absolutely so. Among their peers, they're good. Oh,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: among their peers, they're extremely well regarded. I mean, they're
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: they're famous, they're brilliant. And I've always been fascinated by
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: tracking and not in the sense of like will show
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: me because I don't believe you, but a lot of
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: times I'll ask to see what they're looking at. And
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: I've been doing this for years and years and years,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: and there are a lot of times, probably upwards of
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: twenty five percent of the time, I can't see anything,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: like I could not perceive that there is any change
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: in the in the like stuff that's on the ground.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: And they can say, no, that's you know, it's walked.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: They're they're they're there. So it's a beautiful thing to watch,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: and I'm so glad that we got the opportunity to
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: apply it to things other than just Buffalo. We tracked
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: a Ward Hug for a while, we tracked Sable for
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: a while. What else did we track? I think that
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: was kind of it that in Buffalo. But yeah, they're
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: also one that's not gonna happen. They'll come and tell
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Moregan ain't gonna happen. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: He started running again and it's yeah, yeah, yeah, that
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: happened something. We'd already bumped something. We bumped it twice, Yeable,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: So they bumped them, bumped them again, kind of like
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: very light bump, and then we did like a little
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: bit more of a bump, and then we filed and
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: then they're like they're running again, like.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: Based on track.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Never mind, yeah, just based off track.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Really, A really great moment too with the trackers is
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: one time we're going down and they spot a track
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: from a truck.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Someone spots track.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: And I still don't really understand what they saw, but
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: oh no I do.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: They're like a broken piece of grass. Whatever the hell?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: And we get out and they very quickly like there's happens.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: We've got two trucks to get us. There's four trackers,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: and they very quickly come to a consensus. No dissenting voice.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: There's four bulls going that way, like what coma? So
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: at that point I said, Morgan, help me out here.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: What are they talking about? Why they all know that
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: there's four balls, you know, and this isn't like eight
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: foot tall grass.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: They're like one's here, one was here, one was here,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: one was here, And I'm like, okay, and there.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Was, but there was like very little. It's like a
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: very I mean we're talking like minutes minutes. No.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: You have to have complete faith, and they are the
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: most faith worthy people that you'll ever find. I mean
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: faith in their ability, faith in their loyalty, faith in
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: their desire to see you be successful. You can you
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: can have that and you will not be disappointed like
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: they will. They will redeem you in every way oh another. Really,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: there's so many things that mentioned, like the way they
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: read grass, like grass it's been bent, yep, grass that's
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: been stepped on. How to tell how long ago grass
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: was stepped on? But also what's really cool is there's
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: these birds ox peckers yep. They like a lot of animals,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: and they like buffalo. Yeah, they seem to like buffalo
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: the most. And a real awareness of like what's going
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: on with the ox peckers. They got daybreak where the
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: ox peckers are headed to. Yeah, and then that one
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: time we got in that real tall grass and they
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: were like pinpointing. We knew they were out in front
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: of us somewhere, and just by the bird chatter yep,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: they could hear that the oxpecker chatter like pointing like
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: right right there, yeah, right there. Because you can hear
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: the birds.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: They can hear the birds that are on them exactly
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: chattering back and forth between is fascinating.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: It's amazing. All the little cues that they used to
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: just read these animals is amazing. Okay, uh the honey guys. Yes,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: there is a.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Uh, there's a type of honey production that goes on.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: It's in the farmland, it's in the woods, whatever. There's
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: a type of honey production goes on. It's really interesting
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: where it's like, instead of having a honey hive that
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: you buy like that, you populate with honey bees.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Farmers and others guys on the woods will just build
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: a out of natural materials, build a hive box and
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: hang away to hell up in a tree.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Yep. It'll draw.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be colonized. It'll draw a colony bees and
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: it's like you're running a trap line. Yeah, very similar
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: to go out and I like those parallels. Yeah, you
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: go out and you like, see if it got taken
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: over by bees, and guys will climb way up in
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: the trees. There's a honey season here. You can explain
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: that that's wrapping up right now. Yeah, we're right at
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: the tail end of it now. So it's I think
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: it's twice a year. They come into the game reserve
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: under permit from the district supervised by US and Tanzania
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Wildlife Management Authority to harvest their own honey from their
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: own hives, and we've placed a lot of stipulations on
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: their activities as far as what roads and routes they
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: can use, what kind of equipment they can use, what
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: kind of vehicles they can use to access the area,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: and the hives themselves. As you saw in the past,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: the sort of popular method of manufacturing a hive was
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: to like ring bark, basically take all the outer layer
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: of bark in a sort of anywhere from three to
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: four foot long section off of quite a large tree,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: let's say, something that was sort of, you know, close
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: to twenty inches around and then and then sort of
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: staple that back together with pieces of wood with pegs
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: and then put end caps on it, and that was
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: the hive.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: The problem honey badgers don't get no exactly seah, honey
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: badgers and other things that would interfere with it. They'll
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: hang it up there. And the problem with that was,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: if you're talking about hundreds and hundreds of hives, every
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: one of those hives has been resulted in a good
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: sized mature tree being killed. Yeah, thousands of thousands of
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: probably yeah, thousands of high So we've we've very much
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: worked with these guys to implement a rule where that's
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: not allowed anymore. They have to be manufactured. They're still
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: manufactured from wood, but the wood has to be sourced
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: from outside the game reserve.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and a guy might come in they're camped out,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: and they go around and do the deal. But we
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: ate some of the honey heroes. It's terrific, super good honey.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: So that's like I remember when I got here seeing
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: the first one of those in the tree and be like,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: what the hell's out of the tree? Just then interesting feature,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: absolutely not on the landscape. Yeah, uh, a consult other year.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those activities that that we permit
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: because it's a way that the local communities can extract
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: value from the reserve in a way that's non consumptive.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: It's not destroying anything, it's not taking anything away from
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: the reserve. It's, you know, a sustainable activity.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Another another sustainable activity that again regulated. And it sounds
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: like you guys, from a from your your foundations, from
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: your wild a foundation perspective, and from the law enforcement
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: perspective that you're involved in and managing a big chunk
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: of ground. There's a fishery, yep, but it's also a
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: fishery that that without regulation can kind of run a
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: mark for sure.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah it could go. Yeah, it's it's a gill netting.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: So there's the lake itself, Lake Cigara, and then the
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Igala River. There's permitted fishing in the reserve water is
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: allowed in both places, less so on the river, more
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: so on the lake, but it definitely needs to be policed.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: There's issues with excessive use of certain types of nets,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: especially really small net A lot of them are converted
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: mosquito nets or fishing nets that have been lined with
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: a mosquito net that really just catches everything and even
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: those small fish will be dried and they have nutritional value.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: And again, we want to see people get adequate supplies
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: of protein. We see people do well from harvesting enough
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: fish that they can sell some excess to pay for
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: school fees or whatever else they want to pay for.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: We want to see all this happen. We want to
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: see all this being done. But the risk is that
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: if it just becomes a free for all, you get
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: population collapse in those fish stocks and the game. Reserve
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: waters are an extremely important part of the piece of
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: the puzzle because they refill the breeding the spawning grounds
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: there allow the waters that are more heavily fish that
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: are outside the game reserve to be sort of restocked
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: with fish from the reserve waters. So we're very focused
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: on keeping those waters healthy for the benefit of those
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: communities as well as the benefit of wildlife.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want it, like I'm gonna choose my
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: words of care of because I don't want it in
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: any way.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Hack on. I don't want anyway.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Hack on like government enforcement, because you're dealing with like huge,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: very very wild, very remote areas. Absolutely we're talking about
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: in this landscape, we're talking about places that are seasonally
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: inaccessible absolutely okay, with scatterings of human populations around. And
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: like when someone thinks of if you're coming from the US,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: you're thinking of like poaching. You got one thing in
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: your head. You think of a guy that you know generally,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: it's like a guy that sees a huge buck and
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: he doesn't want to wait for season, and it makes
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: a big like a poacher got caught because he had
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: killed like a buck out of season, right, or he's
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: keeping he kept ten walllle eyes instead of five or whatever.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: We kind of have this sort of a little more
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: benign notion of poaching. Our threshold is pretty low, you know,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: like tolerance is pretty low, and you also have an
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: enforcement structure that's pervaded.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, right, it's hard for it.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: It's would be hard for like an industrialized poaching outfit
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: to exist outside of view, right.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: But here.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Because of the remoteness and just historical factors and all
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: kinds of stuff, like poaching winds up being a poaching
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: winds up being a thing that can have like population
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: level impacts. Absolutely it can, and it just doesn't play
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: out anymore.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: It doesn't. It's not like that in the US, No, No,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: it's for sure. The US is way beyond that stage.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: And poaching here it will take on a commercial flavor too,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: where it becomes a commercial once it seems like it
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: wants to it sort of naturally wants to move that direction,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: wants to go that way, for sure, And there's there's
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: a subsistence element to it which one can be somewhat
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: sympathetic to, and certainly we have been in the past
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: and even in the present. You know, as you've seen here,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of our trackers have ex poaches. A lot
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: of people involved in our anti poaching team or ex
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: poaches or guys that were at risk of kind of
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: getting drawn into poaching. So there's that subsistence element that
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: one can be somewhat sympathetic to, but it very quickly
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: evolves from that into mass snarings of thousands and thousands
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: and thousands of heads of game. And that's not conversant
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: with any kind of native hunting tradition. It's not conversant
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: with anything that's sustainable. It's not conversant with any of
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: the Tanzanian government's goals as far as management and as
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: far as providing people with protein and employment and development opportunities.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: It is something that's just completely out of hand and
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: verges on criminality.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Well, we like we live through this, like in the US,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: like this this is very like that era is very
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: much was part of our own culture.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where you had, you know, we had.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: Even with even with Europeans when Europeans can't there's like
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: a sort of subsistence economy, and when the moment was right,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: it would really quickly move to like industrialized commercial stuff,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: and we were like, through very concerted effort, we eventually
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: reined it in, kind of destroyed the markets, de incentivized it,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: and got there. You can see here and in some
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: of these wilderness atmospheres here, it's probably a very similar
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: situation than what we had in Yeah. Then what we
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: went through too with that trying to get trying to
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: find a point where you had some level of sustainable
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: equilibrium of harvest versus exploitation, you know, harvest, a balance
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: between some harvest not tipping into grotesque over harvest.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's absolutely right, and it and it goes together
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: with development too. Right. If you've got people that are
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: very pole with very few opportunities like you would have
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: had in the frontier of the United States at one time,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: you know, very limited industrial opportunities, then there's got to
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: be away. Here in Africa, our big focus and our
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: big goal is to make sure that wildlife and the
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: presence of wildlife and the presence of these protected areas
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: serves the people on the periphery, because as soon as
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: it stops doing that, it just becomes a target for poaching.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: And once everything's poached, once it's over utilized, the game
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: populations are very low because of poaching, then it becomes
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: no longer viable as somewhere where you can run a
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: hunting operation. And then those areas are then subject to
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: further degradation from things like logging, mining, et cetera, et cetera,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: as that protection goes away, and then you have the
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: potential to lose a whole landscape, not just in a
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: whole habitat, not just your populations of wild animals.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: And you can go any direction from here, I'm sure,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: and fine places where slash and burn.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Egg is denuded of wildlife, denuded of denuded of everything
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: just agriculture, which again we're not in the business of
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: telling people they can't make a living from agriculture. But
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: these protected areas we have are so important and such
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: a mass provides such a massive opportunity to these local
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: communities as well as you know, the international community and
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: the Tanzanian nation as a whole. So that's what we're
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: focused on. That's what we're doing here. Uh, last thing
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: on my list then we'll do. We'll do any little
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: wrap up far as anybody has.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: But Uh, it was funny because there's certain impressions of
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: just kind of like seeing Safari imagery and Safari stuff.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: You had these like questions over the years that you
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: wondered about, and so many of those have been satisfied.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Now I want to you guys both with a couple
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: of these is are. For instance, I had no idea
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: like why you don't see camouflage. Yeah it and like
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: like in an African safari culture and aneral like camouflages
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: of the thing.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, it's not done. For one thing, military
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: style camouflage is illegal here and Tanzania, it's not allowed.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: That's for the military only. Secondly, it it doesn't provide
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: if I'm perfectly honest, with the exception of bow hunting,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: it doesn't provide a huge advantage for our style of hunting.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of our stuff is really close
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: quarters where movement is going to be the thing that
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: gives you away. Movement and sound. You know, a lot
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: of those buffalo we bumped, they didn't see us, they
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: smelled us or hurt us and took off and so yeah,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: we I also think it's yeah, it's something we just
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: don't need. Yeah, it was the legality aspect of it.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: And I've heard in a number there's a number of countries,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: the number of prohibit it's I don't know, it's just
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: it's for the it's for the military, it's for the military.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Don't be wearing it. Yeah, uh no backpacks, So that's
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: a big one. When you hunt dangerous game, you need
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: to be as unencumbered as possible. You need to have
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: you I mean even these some I see some fairly
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: elaborate kind of bino harnesses. Sometimes your one was about
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: the maximum amount of shit that I want to see.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: That was about no, and you are, to your credit,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: it did never held you back. But the less stuff
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: you could have on your person when hunting dangerous game,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: the better, because you need to be able to potentially
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: react very quickly to a situation. And if you're getting
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: your scope and your rifle stock and whatnot hung up
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: in harnesses and straps, that's no good. If you're if
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: you're not getting a proper gun fit because you've got
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: another extra inch or inch and a half of backpack
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: strap with your silly little water straw there or whatever,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: that's no good. You need to be able to find
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: your sight's quick You need to be able to get
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: on that target quickly, and that means being get unincumbent
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: and get out of the way, climb a tree maybe
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: if things go really sideways. So the less nonsense you
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: can have on your person, the better you are positioned
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: to hunt dangerous and that tires in.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Another one is like, yeah, I see everybody carrying no slings.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: But another thing is like less and thick junk, like
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: in thick cover. Yeah, when you got maybe you got
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: like a wounded buffalo that you gotta be very carefully
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't come for you. You just don't want anything that
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: hangs out, slows anything down one hundred percent, even unwounded buffalo.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: Remember when we were tracking those three balls through that
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: kind of river eye, Well it was like a dried
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: creek bed, but the vegetation was thick, and oftentimes you
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: had to change your rifle position, you know, three or
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: four times in a minute, because one minute you're ducking
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: under something, one minute you're squeezing between two things, you know,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: and so you're changing your rifle position all the time.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: The sling use isn't universally like not practiced here. A
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: lot of professional hunters, a lot of people use slings.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: I'm personally not into it for that reason. We just
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: discussed and then kind of tying back to the previous thing,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: I think that when you're hunting dangerous game, if you
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: have your rifle in your hands. You have a small
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: but not insignificant advantage in getting that rifle into action quicker.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: That might save your life. And out here you never know.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, when you're walking past this eight nine foot
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: tall grass that's like a wall, you can't see more
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: than two feet into it. You know there is poaching
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: in this area. It's very minimal, but it is. There
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: could be a wounded buffalo from a poacher laying right
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: there and you walk past it. You know, Yeah, Rogers
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: roound it.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: He didn't wound it. It was wounded by lions or something.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: And he never had any clue that was there until
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: it was coming at him. So when you have that
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: rifle in your hand in those kind of situations, you
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: better position to respond, in my opinion, and that's why
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: I like, I favor what we call Africa carry we
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: hold it over your shoulder.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, sore give what what are your overall impressions of Africa?
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 7: I mean phenomenal landscape, animals? I was I was thinking
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 7: to which we touched on, just the people that we
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 7: went down to. What community was that Gordo Gordo's It's
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 7: when we went to loombe like driving through those towns,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 7: just the kind of the cellar up, cellar up, celebratory
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 7: kind of just everyone's happy, but quietly confident too, like
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 7: there's not any angst, it seems, and I know this
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 7: is just like you know, a scratching of the surface,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 7: but just people would smile and wave at us. And
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 7: then we had a meal with one of the staff's
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 7: families and they were so appreciative to have us, and
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 7: just overall, like the landscape animals, people all are just
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 7: they seem very comfortable and what they are and who
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 7: they are.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a great observation, Panzany. And people
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: are really happy. Yeah, and it's I mean it is.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: It's a hard life out here in the bush. You know,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: you don't want to sugarcoat it and say that they've
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: you know, they've I mean it's really really a lot
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: of manual labor and a lot of hardship to be
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: able to exist out here in these very remote rural places.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: But everyone just has such a a great view on
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: life and a great way of going about everything.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: And the teamwork.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's like a big family. And the loyalty that
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: that people will show you here is something you just
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: you can't find in many places.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: And the mamba still.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: When Morgan I were in Massilan or the crocodile when
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Morgan I were in Thesiland before we came here to hunt,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: I was referring to is My family came out for
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: a week and we hung around and did did some
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: different things, and Morgan took us while they're viewing out
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: mass Island in one of the hunting areas, and we're
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: having a conversation with the Massi people like, you know,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: like how do they perceive us?
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: How do we perceive them?
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: And Mortgam made it comment he goes, I feel like
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: they look at us and think we're idiots. Yeah yeah,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: they're like, dude, I got hundreds of goats, I got
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: hundreds of cattle all this like we you know, yeah
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: we have land.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: You know, probably like whatever we got, it's not because
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: I don't you know, they're not us.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: These guys problems totally totally just like I'm very yeah,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: it's just a different perception. But now the people are
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: the people are phenomenal. I do wonder like all the
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: time you kind of like it's very uh it's harmlessly
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: self centered, but unavoidable.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: To be like what, like what do they think of us? No?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, just out of curiosity, like what would it be Like.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: How do you picture of like people that like pay
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: money to come hang out? You like, what is the idea? Like,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: what is the idea going on? Whatever it is, whatever
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: the thought is it somehow is like the Trackers and
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: stuff that grew up here, whatever the thought is is
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: damn sure friendly.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: It's like it's just like yeah, protective, like very protective
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: and kind of like looking out for what you got
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: going on, watching you don't kind of make don't make
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: any mistakes, and and like very warm. There's there's some
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: things you're never going to understand, you know what I mean.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: There's there's like some aspects you're never going to understand
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: with the Trackers, Like meal time for them is very
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: different than meal time for us. They kind of communally out.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: Of a common Yeah that's great.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: They'll look like a common they'll have like some common dishes.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: They'll sit the guys will sit around together in a circle,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: no chairs, just different and they look at when they
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: look at us eating, they're probably like what with all
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: the bullshit? Why is it such a production. But you
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: can't you don't know, you can't tell what anybody's thinking.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: But just like just a warmth and like human camaraderie
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: there in the people involved. You know, the hunting brings
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: you together in a powerful way. I think it's like
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: it's a cross cultural thing.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: Like and you see how invested they get in your
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: success to super.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Excited, oh yeah, to find success. They are ecstatic driving success.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: It is like there's no kind of like, oh, this
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: guy's not really into it. I mean those dudes are
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: like here, they're playing for keeps.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all up in my business sometimes like make
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: this happen, you know, playing keeps telling me which way
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: to go. I'm like, yeah, I'll take it. Let's do this.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: What's your impression, Seth. You know a lot of lasting
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: friendships I did.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, my favorite part was the trackers, Like yeah, by far,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 8: just hanging out with those dudes and like seeing how
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 8: they operate, and like I wish I knew more of
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 8: the native language here because I would love to just
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 8: like pick those guys' brains about whatever's going on.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but yeah, just watching like you know, the one
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 8: day we're just hauling ass down the road and like
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 8: Frank's yelling him to stop because he saw a buffalo
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 8: track like in dry dirt as we're going like it
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 8: just they would do shit like that all the time.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: It was mind blowing to me incomprehensible.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: What they what they can see, what they pick up
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: on is it's unbelievable. Yeah.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 8: And then just like kind of teaching them some American
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 8: words and them teaching us Swahili words like yeah, it
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 8: was I I'd never laughed so much with someone that,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 8: like I don't even understand what the color said.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: It's true, Yeah, it's true.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: Some comedy like transcend, Yeah totally.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: And they've all got a phenomenal sense of humor. Yeah
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: they all day yeah yeah yeah, that was not righteous stuff.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: That was fun. And then lighting fires was just a
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: blast fire lights great.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 8: You really hone in on like what type of grass
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 8: is the best, and like where you should be throwing
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 8: and like what time of day you should you should
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 8: be hitting it hard?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, moto fire. Oh and what's the word for
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: white people zongu mazoomu as a singula? Yeah, what's fire again?
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: Moto moto moto mazoong go.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's everything they went like, it's everything they went.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: Let you do growing up? Oh yeah, you can't flick matches. Yeah,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know what's funny, Like at our at
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: our fish sack, we draw the water off the creek
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: so a kid can stand there with the hose, oh,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: shoot holes all day and no one ever yells at you.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Ye, it's just.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: You know, like all you do brow up, all you
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: want to do is just to be able shoot the holes,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: but your parents won't let you, and you can just
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: shoot the holes. So kids can stand there twenty four
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: hours a day playing at the holes and yelled at
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: It's like that with light and fire.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: Shot light fires yeah. Yeah.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, So that was cool and just seeing the culture
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 8: and how how the folks here live and it was awesome.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 8: And then the honting the hunting part was different on
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 8: my end, just because we're truck two. They just kind
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 8: of miss out on a lot of things.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, yeah, in all fairness, I will say
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 8: a little bit of riding truck one, but to hang
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 8: with the big dogs. Yeah, but now that the trackers
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 8: and stuff was awesome.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, like all in all man for me,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: like absolutely, I've I've texted and had multiple exchanges with
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: friends of mine back home, and I'm like, dude, like
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: life changing, Yeah, life changing experience. I mean percent I
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: will refer to things I seen here, story, I'll tell
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: stories from here for the rest of my life, and
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: then like like the rest of my life, I'll feel
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: like the impact of people I met and lifestyles on
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: encountered skill sets, Like absolutely life changing. There's been a
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: handful of trips like that, Like you know, going a
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: couple of times, a couple times down to South America
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: changed my changed me outside of my hunting self and
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: hunting interests changed me, but also really changed me in
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: that area of focus around hunting, you know, the culture
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: of hunting, the sort of the global landscape of hunting.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Like both of those things have changed, but also change
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: even outside of wildlife, just experiencing like another continent, you know,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: different culture, and it had had the opportunity to bounce
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: around a little bit, Like we went to some larger towns, yep,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: went to some villages, went to some very remote villages,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: went to some remote wilderness you know, over the course
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: of a little over three weeks, and yeah, life changing
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: so hell that the thing that drew me, it seems
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: so small now. The thing that drew me is this
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: idea that you can hunt this hunt Kate Buffalo, and
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: you gotta worry about getting stopped in close quarters. Yeah,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: it's like that you're gonna get up like you know,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get up to you know, an animal in whatever,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: fifteen hundred pounds plus animal and and people are making
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: shots on these things at like twenty yards thirty yards
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: closer and there's a chance they're going to kill you.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, sounds great.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: Now, it almost seems silly, like that's a thing for sure,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: And we heard plenty of stories about it, like that's
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: not the experience we had at all, but it's part
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: of the lore.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Ye you know.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like a it's a type of hunting
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: where you gotta be careful, right, and that's exciting, Like
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: there's like there's more on your mind, right, you got
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: to play everything. You gotta play your situation right. And
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: as we're gonna explained, a lot of that is if
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: you wound an animal animal and track it, you enter
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: a whole other game.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't do that. We got one in it
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: that we didn't need to trail it. But like in
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: trailing them, you enter another realm for sure, Like it's
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: a different dimension. Yeah, it's a very unpleasant one, I
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: might add. I far prefer the hunts that go the
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: way yours did. And yeah, I'm very I'm very, very
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: satisfied to hear your take on all this, because I've
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: been banging this drum for years now that Safari is
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  Speaker 1: so much more than just hunting, you know, there is
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  Speaker 1: just all these elements to it, and it tends to
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  Speaker 1: get you know, it gets wrapped up in just killing
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  Speaker 1: exotic stuff, which of course is a component of what
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: we do here on a very selective basis, But there's
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: so much more to it, and it was great to see,
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  Speaker 1: very gratifying for me, and I'm sure George feels the
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  Speaker 1: same way to see the whole crew, you know, yourself
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  Speaker 1: and just everyone that's been out here part of this production.
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  Speaker 1: Just kind of soaking that up, you know, and getting
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  Speaker 1: a lot out of that and kind of coming with
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  Speaker 1: really insightful questions and making a connection to the guys
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  Speaker 1: across that language barrier that I think, Yeah, if I
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: went and asked them, they'd say the same thing that
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was a rare example of people really immersing themselves
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  Speaker 2: in it. So for that, I'm grateful. Man.
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  Speaker 1: The thing we didn't get into, but also just kind
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  Speaker 1: of like life changing too, is like like my cultural
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  Speaker 1: self whatever, you know, like a like as a person
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  Speaker 1: that lives on the globe, Like that part of me
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  Speaker 1: has changed, right, just to see this, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: a new continent and some of the new cultures. The
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: hunting thing too, but the culinary culinary stampar, the sort
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  Speaker 1: of journey of the meat and the way meets used
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  Speaker 1: and the way meat is coveted, and the way meat
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: is preserved, the way meats enjoyed fresh. Like we didn't
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: get any of that stuff, but just fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we could do a whole show just on that.
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  Speaker 1: Fascinating man, how stuff goes from like how stuff goes
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  Speaker 1: from the bush to the guys to the guys family,
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  Speaker 1: the people in the communities, the way they utilize it,
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  Speaker 1: the different perceptions of it. The thing Morgan pointed out is, uh,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: all of it has huge value, right, Like we'll talk
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: about Oh the backstraps are so good, and it's just
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: like with a lot of the guys it's like it
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: just is all enormously valuable. And when you butcher an animal.
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  Speaker 1: I went over with the you know, I went over
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: to check on the sable and yesterday and they were
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: working on the stomach.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, when we when we left the buffalo, we left
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: the grass clippings that were in his stomach, and we
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: left some intestine and the lungs. I think that's it.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Everything everything consumed. Yeah, absolutely, and the tail up, well tail, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: consume we both ends. Yeah, because we got the tongue
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: and we got the delicious we got. We sampled the
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: mid we sampled the mid range too, but we had
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: the tail in the tongue.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely hit the mid section. That was cool.
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  Speaker 1: And then going into going to a village and seeing
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: how like dry meat is a real commodity drive me
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: is a real asset. It's like huge, like the climate's
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: perfect for it. You cut meat and strips and dry it.
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  Speaker 1: And we went into a village to uh, one of
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: the guys that works here, he brings at the end
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: of the season, he'll bring bags of meat home. We
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: went to a village and the way they take dry meat,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: cut it up, rehydrate it, turned it into turned it
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: into recipes, you know, turned it into food. But instead
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: of it going to a freezer, it goes to a
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: dry preserved state, to a rehydrated state, turned into just
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: delicious food. Yeah, fantastic, very cool to see that stuff
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: and all cooked with what heat everything. It was crazy, man, amazing.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Stripped the bones down also when I went over there,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: the bones that had all been they'd stripped the bones
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: down to make dry meat. The bones were all on
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: the grill to get the mirror the Yeah, they're they're
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: cooking all them, all them femurs and shin bones were
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: laid out on a fire.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's proper. It's proper utilization here and it
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: makes a big difference to people's lives. And you know,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: there's you can go really down the rabbit hole of
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: studies about how protein availability, brain development, ability to focus,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. So it has a very
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: important role to play in these communities where again livestock
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: are not common and not used in the way that
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: we would recognize in the West. Yeah. Yeah, there's so
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: many things. I don't want to go on all night.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: It's getting late. But even that, like the last thing,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: we're going to open up. Many people are unbanked.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and more than we're saying wealth is stored as livestock, right,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: It's like it's not It's not like I'm gonna send
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: those all off to slaughter this spring. It's like people
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: have herds as a way of wealth management.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: Yep. And that's where they stole. All their money's tied
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: up in cattle and goats. It's like morn in the bank.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Transactions, yeah, absolutely, they transact with them too. Yeah, and
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: thes Islam organs like goats are for small transactions. Calls
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: are for big transaction.
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  Speaker 4: Cash.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, that's your pocket change and at your check,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: but that's exactly it. Yeah, just fascinating man. I'm I'm
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: so glad we're able to make this work.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you came.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys told me crazy Kate Buffalo stories
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: and and got me into it.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing us, Yeah, of course, Yeah, thank you
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: guys for coming to seriously professional team. It's been fun.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: A lot of loss on this trip too. Some of
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: them might make the make the cot, but some of
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: them definitely enough TV friendly.
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  Speaker 1: And George, good luck dude, on your uh on what
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: you got going on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, No, I'm looking.
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like if they weren't, I feel like,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: if you were gonna get next failure, Like I feel
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: like if you were going to fail your apprenticeship, I'd
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: be able to I'd be able to see it coming
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I feel like you might be all right. Yeah,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: he's got a bright future in this business.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like if you were on the outs, we
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: would have picked up on it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: We're with George again, Yeah, they'd have they'd have you
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: over digging a hole back of the house, George Wild,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: dig that hole deeper.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of our lot of our success
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: on this trip can be attributed to George's efforts. So
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: for sure, a bright future. Oh it's been a pleasure
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: having you.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: Remember I said we saw dozens of war hogs before
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: we saw a keeper.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: George spotted the king.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, all right, thank you guys both for putting
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  Speaker 1: us on.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot of work, and thanks man. I loved
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: it absolutely, thanks for coming. Enjoyed it immensely.
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  Speaker 4: Right,