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SEC Insider Hit: How did Cignetti do it? Who's next? · Out of Bounds with Bo Bounds

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  Speaker 1: seven thirty segment, we just talked to Michigan Football and
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  Speaker 1: of coming off the Sharon More scandal last year. For
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  Speaker 1: those of you who may not have kept up with
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  Speaker 1: Michigan football after Harball left, which I get it just
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  Speaker 1: because he was one of the most polarizing guy. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: he was the most polarizing until leaving, and then Lane
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  Speaker 1: became the most polarizing football coach in college football. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever Harball did, we were like eyeballs. And he didn't
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  Speaker 1: even tweet like Lane. He just well, he was at
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  Speaker 1: a huge brand. I mean, he could just be Jim Harball.
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  Speaker 1: But whatever he said and whatever he did, whether it
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  Speaker 1: was running camps here ten years ago, coming down to Pearl,
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi and making the SEC Matt and finding any in
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  Speaker 1: every loophole he could to find a way to get
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  Speaker 1: better players to Michigan because of what he inherited. But
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  Speaker 1: Harball was the most polarizing for a long stretch of time,
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  Speaker 1: and then and then Lane was Was there anybody in between?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so Harball and Lane. I mean, Dabo
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  Speaker 1: does his thing. He rubs a lot of people wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and the surpy, sappy, preachy stuff really greats on people,
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  Speaker 1: and then some people like it. Saban, you know, was
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  Speaker 1: been polarizing. Yeah, but not in the way that I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about Hardball and Lane. No, Saban was just hard charging,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. You know, we're I'm gonna do
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  Speaker 1: it the way I want to do it. Get out
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  Speaker 1: of my way. I'm Nick Saban. You know I work
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  Speaker 1: eighteen hours a day and I ate the same turkey
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  Speaker 1: salad every day because I can't even think about thinking
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  Speaker 1: about ordering something for ten seconds, he did. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I remember reading the Tom Dean Hart article turkey salad
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  Speaker 1: every day if there was Look, football sports is very
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  Speaker 1: rigid and militaristic. We all know that, right, I mean
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  Speaker 1: it is, it is in fact, you you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: how they got That's how it got created, so to speak, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, coaches, starting in the World War One era,
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  Speaker 1: took what generals and majors and so on did in
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  Speaker 1: the military and incorporated that kind of rigid, regimented schedule
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  Speaker 1: for young men who quite frankly need that kind of
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  Speaker 1: discipline and structure to show up every day and get
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  Speaker 1: things done at nineteen twenty years old. And then in
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  Speaker 1: World War Two, we even doubled down on the very militaristic, regimented,
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  Speaker 1: you know, rigid, I mean they tell it's why some
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  Speaker 1: student athletes have a hard time transitioning out. For a minute,
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  Speaker 1: into the working world depending on where what direction they go.
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  Speaker 1: And the same thing with military entering into the private
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  Speaker 1: sector is because you are told where to be every
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  Speaker 1: single second of the day. And then if you have
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  Speaker 1: flexibility in the private sector, you know, you have to
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  Speaker 1: adjust and adapt. Somebody's not saying you have to be
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  Speaker 1: here at six oh four am and then we'll get
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's you know what breakfast is
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  Speaker 1: this time? Everything? Does that make sense? Yes? Anyway, I
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  Speaker 1: went from Harball and Lane, Kiffen and Saban being polarizing
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  Speaker 1: in their old ways to talking about the military. Was
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  Speaker 1: that weird? I mean, it's all intertwined. Okay, yeah, all right,
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  Speaker 1: Mike Leach said that in here, this this was his
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  Speaker 3: That?
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  Speaker 1: Somehow that's what Mike. That was Mike's answer when I
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  Speaker 1: Oh goodness, I love him. Can you imagine he would
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  Speaker 1: be winning and winning and winning and winning wherever he
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  Speaker 1: was in the SEC in this new era of water
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  Speaker 1: down college football? Do we want to go? Kurt Signetti,
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  Speaker 1: speaking of the national championship coach Lane Kiffin did not
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  Speaker 1: win the National Championship last year. I know we stole
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  Speaker 1: all the headlines, but Kurt Signetti won the How many
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  Speaker 1: times have you all? Because I'll do this every now
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  Speaker 1: and then maybe because I'm in the business and I
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  Speaker 1: talked to myself, I will say out loud Kurt Signetti
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  Speaker 1: and Indiana won the national championship in football. Have you
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  Speaker 1: said that out loud? Have you written it down and
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  Speaker 1: looked at it which they say, that's what we need
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  Speaker 1: to do. Kurt Signetti, head football coach at Indiana, the
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  Speaker 1: worst power for program in the country, won the national
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  Speaker 1: championship last year by going undefeated and on the way
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  Speaker 1: blew out the Alabama Crimson Tide, the number one college
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  Speaker 1: football program in the history of not the best, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: not the best place to win. Okay, the easiest path
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  Speaker 1: is places like LSU, Georgia and Ohio State, but the
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  Speaker 1: number one college football program of all time because of
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  Speaker 1: their willpower and commitment quotion, Alabama. They blew their doors
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  Speaker 1: off in the Rose Bowl. Former Alabama assistant coach Kurt Signetti,
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  Speaker 1: who none of us knew when he was there because
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  Speaker 1: there was too many other stars under Saban as far
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  Speaker 1: as coordinators that were going through, and really the first
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  Speaker 1: star coordinator was a little bit of Jim mcelwayne. But
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  Speaker 1: then Kirby you know, a few years in the Saban's
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  Speaker 1: tenure and before Kirby goes to his alma mater in Georgia. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because mcwayne got caught up with that shark. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what happened at Florida, but you're right, he
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  Speaker 1: did get caught up with a shark in Florida, and
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  Speaker 1: Dan Mullen replaced him and actually did a great job
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  Speaker 1: ninety percent of the time. But anyway, the point is,
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  Speaker 1: let's we've got some Kurt Signetti. This is he talks
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  Speaker 1: about on why he left Alabama. Okay, and I did
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  Speaker 1: not know who he was until Bar two threw his
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  Speaker 1: name out six seven years ago when he was at
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  Speaker 1: James Madison. But this is Kurt Signetti explaining why he
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  Speaker 1: went from Bama to Division two head coach.
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  Speaker 4: You make a big decision to leave coach sabans Alabama
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  Speaker 4: staff to take a head coaching job and to go
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  Speaker 4: down to the Division two level. What was it that
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  Speaker 4: made you confident in yourself that hey, it's time to
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  Speaker 4: do better myself, go down a level and take a
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  Speaker 4: head coaching job.
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  Speaker 3: I just had to be a head coach. I didn't
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  Speaker 3: want to finish up as a career assistant. It was
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  Speaker 3: a nonprecedented move, and I know that it was a
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  Speaker 3: lifestyle change. At the time too. I was enjoying life
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  Speaker 3: in Indiana, PA and won a lot of games, and
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  Speaker 3: near the end, I felt like I had a couple
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  Speaker 3: of national championship teams ago and then Elon called, nobody
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  Speaker 3: thought you could win there and their track record worse
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  Speaker 3: than Indiana, And we rattled off eight in a row
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  Speaker 3: and beat JMU the next year up at JMU, and
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  Speaker 3: then took the JMU job. That job was a winner,
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  Speaker 3: but we improved him by six games year one, So
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  Speaker 3: year one We've always had big turn rounds and I
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  Speaker 3: loved that place and I had no intention to leave
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  Speaker 3: in Indiana called. It was quick process. I think by
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  Speaker 3: the time I came here, I just had a lot
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  Speaker 3: of confidence and belief because we've won all our championships.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh wow. He actually got head coaching experience
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  Speaker 1: at D two Indiana PA. Then went to Elon, which
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  Speaker 1: y'all didn't even know played football, then went to James
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  Speaker 1: Madison and won like ninety one percent of his games,
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  Speaker 1: and then oh wow, he had a lot of confidence
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  Speaker 1: in championships after years of figuring out how he want
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  Speaker 1: to do it, and so Indiana hired someone with head
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  Speaker 1: coaching experience, and he understood how to staff and run
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  Speaker 1: a program. Isn't that amazing? Crazy? How that works? Crazy?
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if that's the way that your appletic
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  Speaker 1: department operated? That was Kurt Signetti. He went from Alabama
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  Speaker 1: under Saban to a college that none of you have
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  Speaker 1: ever heard of, Indiana PA. I mean, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what they have, eighteen scholarships speaking cond He won big there.
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  Speaker 1: Then he went to Elon. I thought, budget's probably about
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and ten thousand. One big there, went to
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  Speaker 1: James Madison's budget. There's probably about seven hundred thousand, which
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  Speaker 1: SEC programs already spent this morning, and improved them by
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  Speaker 1: six games in year one. I was told by people
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  Speaker 1: in this state that you need all this time and
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  Speaker 1: that you shouldn't expect I guess you don't have high expectations,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't. You shouldn't expect anything in year one
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  Speaker 1: or even year two. I mean, you got to set
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  Speaker 1: that bar low, baby, I mean you won't want to.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we have an athletic department in this state
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  Speaker 1: and too many fans in that fan base who still
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  Speaker 1: believe that it's the two thousand and eleven, two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and three, nineteen ninety three, nineteen eighty six model where
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  Speaker 1: you give a coach three or four years to build
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  Speaker 1: or five. So anyway, I thought some of you, and
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  Speaker 1: I can already tell on the Dancing Rabbit golf text
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  Speaker 1: line that some of you would love would like that
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  Speaker 1: drop on Kurt Signetti going from Alabama, where you have
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  Speaker 1: everything you need. Whatever Savan asked for, he got Alabama
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  Speaker 1: to Indiana, PA. I'll take a cut and pay at
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  Speaker 1: that age fifty one fifty two, I'm in Alabama. I'm
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  Speaker 1: making all this money, We're winning championships. If I hold out,
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  Speaker 1: maybe something else happens. I'm known as the quirky, weird assistant,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm off the charts brilliant. Savans somehow picked up
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  Speaker 1: on that to hire him. What will you look it up, Jackson? Please?
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  Speaker 1: I know you did last week and twenty and eleven,
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  Speaker 1: twenty ten, so we're talking. Somebody put now. Kurt Signetti's
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  Speaker 1: dad was a legendary coach I think in Pennsylvania. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's you know, savings from West
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  Speaker 1: Virginia went to Kent State. Coach was spent one year
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  Speaker 1: as the Toledo head coach in between NFL stops coached
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  Speaker 1: in Eveland. He could have very well heard of Kurt
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  Speaker 1: Signetti's dad, but long before he hired Kurt Signetti at Alabama.
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  Speaker 1: Even though he's quirky and weird, off the charts, brilliant
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  Speaker 1: and the rest is history. Kurt Signetti goes to Indiana
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  Speaker 1: Pad two, elon James Madison, wins at an extraordinary rate,
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  Speaker 1: figuring out how to develop into a head coach, improved
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  Speaker 1: James Madison by six games in year one, won championships
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  Speaker 1: along the way, and then goes to Indiana Indiana Hoosiers
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  Speaker 1: and wins a national championship.
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  Speaker 2: You know, his dad also coached at iup for Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so there we go, there we go. He was with
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  Speaker 2: saving seven to ten. Dang, that was early early.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'll never forget Jake Cocher, who I got to
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  Speaker 1: hang out with last week. And you know he won
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  Speaker 1: a national title at Bama as a QB and but
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  Speaker 1: he signed with Florida State and Jimbo out of high school.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why. You know, Coker was a phenomenal
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  Speaker 1: player down in the Mobile area and Jimbo offered him
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  Speaker 1: and Alabama had not, and so he committed. I don't
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  Speaker 1: remember if he committed on the spot that he committed,
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  Speaker 1: and then Bama came in late and his mom said,
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  Speaker 1: you gave Jimbo Fisher your word, you're going to Florida State.
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  Speaker 1: Well it didn't work out, yeah, okay, and so Coker
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  Speaker 1: transferred to Alabama. And I will never forget him telling
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  Speaker 1: us at dinner one night at Philippim's Steakhouse on the
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  Speaker 1: property of Pearl River Resort. He walked us through the
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  Speaker 1: difference in Jimbo's program and Saban's program, and we all
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  Speaker 1: thought for a minute, you know, Jimbo was people were
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  Speaker 1: convinced he was a star. Yea and Pat bar two
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  Speaker 1: was the first one to pop that bubble. And of
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  Speaker 1: course Jimbo wrecked Florida State before leaving and then wrecked
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  Speaker 1: A and M. But I'll never forget cochers, Like I thought,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I left high school, I went to
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  Speaker 1: Florida State. Those workouts were like wow. And Jimbo had
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  Speaker 1: spent time under Saban at LSU and he said we'd
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  Speaker 1: get a bottle of muscle milk after the workout at
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  Speaker 1: Florida State. He said, I go to Alabama and Scott Cochrane,
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  Speaker 1: the legendary strength and conditioning coach, gives me one a
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  Speaker 1: sheet of paper of the workout.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: He's now at the University of Alabama, transferring from Florida State,
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  Speaker 1: And Jake Cocher looks at it and he goes, is
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  Speaker 1: this for the week And Cochran goes, no, that's for today.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to think about that, right. Florida State
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  Speaker 1: was Saint Mary's or Elon, okay, And and then Cocher
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  Speaker 1: talked about how after the first workout he couldn't move,
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  Speaker 1: so he's just laying on the turf. I'm assuming, I
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  Speaker 1: think is what he said inside the indoor practice facility.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, right when you're done. And this was
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  Speaker 1: several years ago. The recovery process was something that I
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  Speaker 1: had never experienced. He said, we had access to any therapist,
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  Speaker 1: uh trainers, And he said it wasn't just he said
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  Speaker 1: they had a this is before everybody did it. Just
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  Speaker 1: this like all the food and drinks you could you
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  Speaker 1: could want, they were all saving was already had already
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  Speaker 1: implemented the NFL recovery into the Alabama football program long
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  Speaker 1: before even Jake Coker got there, man. Yeah, okay. This
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  Speaker 1: is Signetti talking about his advice. Kurt Signetti, national championship
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  Speaker 1: coach Indiana Hoosiers. What this is him talking about advice
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  Speaker 1: that he gives to young coaches.
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  Speaker 4: What's the biggest piece of advice you have for a
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  Speaker 4: young coach? He wants to make it?
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  Speaker 3: Never give up on your goal. I mean, look at me.
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  Speaker 3: I was what twenty eight thirty year assistant coach, took
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  Speaker 3: a D two head job and now you know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't feel like I've made it. Don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I mean we had nice year. Last year, we won
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  Speaker 3: national championship. We've had success, a lot of success, but
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  Speaker 3: there's challenges ahead. You can never feel like you made it.
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  Speaker 3: But you got to be persistent. You gotta believe in
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  Speaker 3: yourself and then when you get that opportunity, you got
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  Speaker 3: to make the most of it. You got to walk
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  Speaker 3: and blaze your own trail. You can't leave somebody else.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta be yourself because there's a lot of ways
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  Speaker 3: of skin a cat.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. What if Indiana? What if I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people that are still like one hit wonder?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, what if he's there for six
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  Speaker 1: or seven more years. They've already gone to two college
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  Speaker 1: football playoff appearances and won a national title. Let's just
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  Speaker 1: say he's there for six or seven years and they
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  Speaker 1: go to three more college football playoff appearances. Won't that
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  Speaker 1: be incredible that the Indiana Hoosiers, who no one ever
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  Speaker 1: watched play or cared about, could be on the scene
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  Speaker 1: and in the forefront for some time now. He'd be
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  Speaker 1: a case study forever. Right, he probably already is, right,
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  Speaker 1: he absolutely already is. He won a national championship at Indiana. Yes, stop,
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  Speaker 1: what's that that? I mean? I remember when they asked
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  Speaker 1: Kirby about it. You could tell he was like, and
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  Speaker 1: Kirby's a smart guy. I mean, obviously he's not as
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  Speaker 1: quirky and weird as Sure Signetti, and he may not
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  Speaker 1: be as brilliant, but he's a smart guy. But when
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  Speaker 1: they asked Kirby about it, you could tell in his
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  Speaker 1: facial expression he was like, I still can't blanking believe it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he can't fathom it that Indiana won a national title.
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  Speaker 2: I mean him and the rest of the country, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know when I'll be able to accept that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we've even thought about really digesting this, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and wrapping our brains around the fact that the Indiana
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  Speaker 1: Hoosiers are champs in football no way, not hockey right
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  Speaker 1: or basketball, in which they really hadn't been good in
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years. So but we do know that Bob
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  Speaker 1: Knight won it in seventy six, eighty one, and eighty seven.
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  Speaker 1: I was at that eighty seven final four. But the
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  Speaker 1: point is that's what they were. And then Peyton Manning
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  Speaker 1: made that more of a football state. Yep, because I
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  Speaker 1: have friends that we've worked with that live in Indianapolis
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  Speaker 1: over the years, and one was tied into Turquoise Place
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  Speaker 1: with us, and he was like, look, we were hoops,
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  Speaker 1: but Peyton changed to where the Colts were winning, and
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  Speaker 1: people caught the football fever. But it didn't It didn't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, trickle down or resonate with any of the
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  Speaker 1: college teams in the state of Indiana. And then Kurt
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  Speaker 1: Signetti is hired and he wins a title, Which does
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  Speaker 1: that tell us that they did not have the most
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  Speaker 1: expensive roster, not close, okay, and they didn't have the
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  Speaker 1: most five stars. So I still think we're trying to
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  Speaker 1: really define what does it tell us in this new
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  Speaker 1: era of splintered, fractured talent, watered down teams, figure out
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  Speaker 1: what the hate just happened? What happened? They beat Miami,
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  Speaker 1: they beat Bama, and they beat other teams that we
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  Speaker 1: didn't think that they would beat.
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  Speaker 2: Embarrassingly, like hurt their hurt their feelings at thirty eight
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  Speaker 2: to three.
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  Speaker 1: That's a that is a that hurts your feelings. Thirty
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  Speaker 1: eight to three. Hey, for our listeners, y'all probably forgot
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  Speaker 1: because you were drinking champagne or whatever, but or ice
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  Speaker 1: cold beer. Indiana beat Alabama in football thirty eight to three.
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  Speaker 1: That happened. You never thought that that would happen. Nick
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  Speaker 1: Saban never thought it would happen. I mean Jesse and
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  Speaker 1: you know wherever leads Alabama in no way. Never thought
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  Speaker 1: who threw his TV out in the street the night
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  Speaker 1: that Indiana beat Alabama by six touchdowns, dominating. I get
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  Speaker 1: in a fight if you wear in Indiana jersey down there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh, that's a good point. They hadn't thought about that.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be careful down there. They don't like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you probably don't want to wear an Indiana Hoosiers jersey
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  Speaker 1: in Tuscaloosa or Birmingham or any of the small towns,
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  Speaker 1: but definitely those two that I can think of. Give
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  Speaker 1: Pro Truck and glugstat Casey's a Notre Dame fan. Tell
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  Speaker 1: him how easy their schedule is. It's basically D three
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  Speaker 1: Steve Robertson at nine thirty