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124. [Kentucky] Marlene Major · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

• 0:21
  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to bless This Mess with the True
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: Grand Podcast. O'tka here where Stu say? Hey Stu? Hi,
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: all right, we're back this week and we are going
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  Speaker 1: to Kentucky. We haven't been there in a long time.
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: About Bargstown. Every time we do Kentucky.
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  Speaker 1: It's a small state, so there's not as many or
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: maybe there's a lot of murders and nobody just talking
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: about them. I don't know, but it's harder to find
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  Speaker 1: ones in like Kentucky. I feel like, although I think
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: there was another one I was going to look into.
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  Speaker 1: But anyways, Yeah, we're going. We're going to Kentucky this
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: week and then so we'll have an episode this week
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: and then possibly next week, but definitely not the next week.
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: We will have a so I did so we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about on the for the Patreon. I have been
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: the first episode of the Scott Peterson Face to Face.
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: I have written that first episode. But it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: like a new thing for me and stud record something
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: like this like this isn't our normal thing. Normally I
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  Speaker 1: write the whole thing, we read it, we might interject
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  Speaker 1: our thoughts or whatever, get off track. Some may say
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  Speaker 1: it's been been known for us to do, but this
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  Speaker 1: is us like summarizing an episode and then also giving
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  Speaker 1: our opinions. So I don't know it's gonna be different.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see how it goes. But that's our plan.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Scott Peterson face to face. It's on Peacock,
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  Speaker 1: not the one on Netflix. This is the one. So
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  Speaker 1: two came out at the same time, the American Murder
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  Speaker 1: one on Netflix and then the one Scott Peterson face
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  Speaker 1: to face. However, ironically they are not face to face
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  Speaker 1: with Scott Peter. He is on a zoom and two.
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  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of him in the actual of
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  Speaker 1: him talking in the Dog. It's not like him just
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  Speaker 1: being interviewed and then they talk about it whatever. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of other people talk. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: other people actually talking face to face with people, but
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  Speaker 1: not actually Scott Peterson. So so we'll do we'll try
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  Speaker 1: to do that and we'll see how it goes. It
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  Speaker 1: could be a disaster and then what's going on with
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  Speaker 1: the stew.
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  Speaker 2: Just chaos.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't did we mention before about I
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  Speaker 1: thought we mentioned about.
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  Speaker 2: The dog, Yeah, the neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: We might have mentioned about the neighbors. Okay, So here's
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  Speaker 1: what happened, guys. He oh, shut up, stew you should
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  Speaker 1: be thankful. I did something.
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  Speaker 2: I told you I'd find out who owned it and
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  Speaker 2: go from there.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but you didn't do anything.
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  Speaker 2: Well, shut I said the name, and the next thing
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  Speaker 2: I know, you're off.
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  Speaker 1: No, okay, whatever, but you weren't actually gonna do anything
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna find out who the land was.
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  Speaker 1: So here's what's happening, guys. Shut up, here's no you
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  Speaker 1: shut up, okay, So here's what happened. Guns. So we
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  Speaker 1: bought this house and we moved in, and everything was great.
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  Speaker 1: Like our neighbors. Like our neighbors on the one side
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  Speaker 1: have some dogs or like some wine wine riners that
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  Speaker 1: they rescue and stuff. No big deal. You hear them
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  Speaker 1: like normal dog stuff, Like they bark, but they're pretty
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  Speaker 1: well kept dogs and everything that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: We're dog people. We've always had dogs. This is the
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  Speaker 1: first time we actually haven't had a dog so anyway,
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  Speaker 1: so it doesn't bothers like dogs barking or just dogs
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  Speaker 1: being dogs. Well, the renter, we didn't realize the people
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  Speaker 1: next to us were actually rent renters. So whenever these
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  Speaker 1: nice people moved out, these other people moved in, and
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  Speaker 1: they're like chaos. So they always have like five or
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  Speaker 1: six cars in their driveway. We don't even know who
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  Speaker 1: actually is renting the home, but the most But whatever,
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  Speaker 1: I don't really care. Do whatever you want. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: I'll complain about it over here, but I don't. It's
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  Speaker 1: not I'm not going to do anything about it. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me. If you want to have cars, all,
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  Speaker 1: just don't park in front of our house anyways. But
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  Speaker 1: the problem is is they brought this dog with them.
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  Speaker 1: And now I'm not going to get into as to
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  Speaker 1: whether people are people are very divisive over like pit
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  Speaker 1: bulls versus they don't want pit bulls around or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, there's pit bulls in the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lady who walks for pitbull, perfectly docile dog,
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  Speaker 1: nothing to worry about it. It walks around the neighborhood, everything's good.
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  Speaker 1: This pit bull is not kept, is not properly cared for,
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  Speaker 1: so he has become extremely aggressive. So this doll comes
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  Speaker 1: out the minute he sees us out in the yard.
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  Speaker 1: He's like throwing himself at the fence, trying to break
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  Speaker 1: through our fence to get to us, like growling, barking,
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  Speaker 1: running up and down everything like that. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, this is like this, this was day one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, this is so bad. Like
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  Speaker 1: so I'm sorry on to panic because I'm like, if
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  Speaker 1: this dog gets through the fence, he's gonna I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we have small children. He could if he got a
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  Speaker 1: hold one of them, he would kill the child. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm starting I just am like consumed with this.
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  Speaker 1: This is just eating me up. I spend till three
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  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. We're not looking up like pitbull
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  Speaker 1: stuff and statistics and everything because I'm just freaked out
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  Speaker 1: by this dog. Not to mention, they let it out
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  Speaker 1: at like midnight. He's not a happy dog like he's
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: because they don't I don't think they they you know,
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  Speaker 1: interact with him a lot or I don't know what's
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  Speaker 1: going on. So they'll let him out at like midnight
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  Speaker 1: and he'll run up and down. He's barking at nothing.
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  Speaker 1: There could be nothing out there, but I think he's
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  Speaker 1: locked up inside. So then whenever he gets out, he
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  Speaker 1: just runs up and down the fence, barking, barking, barking.
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  Speaker 1: He does it on the other side of the fence.
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  Speaker 1: We got one of them dog bark things to see
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  Speaker 1: if we could stop. But the problem is he's so
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  Speaker 1: loud because he's a really like big muscular dog. He
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  Speaker 1: goes to the other side to the other neighbors and barks,
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  Speaker 1: but he's so loud, and these walls are so thin
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  Speaker 1: you can hear him. Anyways, and then our daughters started
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  Speaker 1: waking up whenever, having like night terrors when the dog
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  Speaker 1: was out there, I guess because it's right by our window,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like it is scary. He's scary sounding, an
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  Speaker 1: he's scary looking guys. Okay, he's trying to get his
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  Speaker 1: way through the fence. So then this is a long story.
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  Speaker 1: So if you want to just fast forward another like
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  Speaker 1: two minutes, that's great. Anyways, So then we're out walking.
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  Speaker 1: So we're been walking down to after the whole debacle
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  Speaker 1: with the with the shitty little kids down at the park,
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  Speaker 1: we walked down to another park in our neighborhood, a little
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  Speaker 1: small one. Well, we're coming back and the guy's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: the guy, there's a neighbor like two doors down. He's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: do you recognize this dog? And I hear that dog
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  Speaker 1: barking in his backyard. I'm like, oh, I know that dog.
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  Speaker 1: I said, that's our neighbor's dog. He's like, yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: ended up in our fence somehow. He's like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know how it's didn't I didn't see there's no
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  Speaker 1: way he got in or anything. And like, the dog's
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  Speaker 1: not tipped. I would say it jumper. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen him jump, but I mean is a He's
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  Speaker 1: a strong dog, so maybe he could have jumped, but
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  Speaker 1: this would have been him like jumping multiple fences. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't really know how he got in that backyard,
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  Speaker 1: if someone put him in there or what happened. And
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  Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, no, that's for sure that dog.
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  Speaker 1: So he shows me a picture of it and I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm ninety nine percent sure those people's dog. And
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  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, he's real aggressive. He's like growling at me,
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  Speaker 1: and I can't go in my backyard because he's got
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  Speaker 1: a bite man stuff. So he posted on the Facebook
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  Speaker 1: group in the you know in our neighborhood group and
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  Speaker 1: like the sister of the people come over. Is like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna come. He come. We passed back by and
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  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, the sister says she's coming to get
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  Speaker 1: the dog. He's like, I don't know, dude, they haven't
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  Speaker 1: shown up yet. Blah blah blah. They come and get
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  Speaker 1: the dog. No caller, no leash, no nothing, he said.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe they took that dog out in the public,
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  Speaker 1: like outside of the fence, with no anything, he said,
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  Speaker 1: because he's like aggressive, like it's not a good a
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  Speaker 1: good thing. So you know, So now I'm spiraling, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I am spiraling. I'm like, oh my god, this dog
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  Speaker 1: all I am. I'm like I'm looking up, like can
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  Speaker 1: a dog get in a house? And then I start
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  Speaker 1: reading all these stories about like oh these this pack
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  Speaker 1: of pitbulls like broke into this woman's house and like
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  Speaker 1: attacked her blah blah blah. So I'm like, Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: gotta do something about this. I don't care. And if
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  Speaker 1: you have children out there, you'll understand, Like I'll literally
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  Speaker 1: at this point, if I think the dog is gonna
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  Speaker 1: hurt the children, I'll go to any means if I
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: need to call whatever I have to do. So I
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  Speaker 1: start doing some Stuw's like, well, you can find out
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  Speaker 1: who the homeowner is. So I found out who the
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  Speaker 1: homeowner is and then I start Facebook sleuthing. So I
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  Speaker 1: found these people. The wife and the husband were still
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: in our Facebook group. So I'm like, okay, maybe they
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  Speaker 1: still own the house because I noticed that they had
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: had a moving garage cell back in May of twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three stew so they either moved and sold the house,
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: but the property records showed that they still own the house.
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  Speaker 1: So then I'm like, okay, I'm gonna message these people
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  Speaker 1: on Facebook. They now live in Australia though, so I've
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  Speaker 1: for work and then I started looking and like we
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: kind of work in the same circles. I'm like, no, Stu,
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  Speaker 1: we can. If they don't answer on Facebook, I can.
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  Speaker 1: I can track this guy down because our company works
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: with his company. So I messaged her. I'm like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: sorry to bother you, but do you still own the house?
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: And I put the address and I said, I said,
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  Speaker 1: because it looks like there's renders now renders there now,
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  Speaker 1: I was just or or anyways, So I told her
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: that I didn't tell her why I was messaging her.
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: Because I wanted her to respond, but you know, your
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: messages go to like your message request on Facebook, so
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: maybe someone didn't see it or whatever. And so then
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  Speaker 1: the next day I didn't hear back from her. So
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: next day I messaged the husband to see and so
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: I told you, I'm gonna sit on it. I'm not
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: gonna be crazy. But the next thing I'm going is
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: LinkedIn to the message room, and then if all's fails,
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: I'm dropping the bomb and I'm going to work and
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  Speaker 1: I'm finding this person because I could do it. So
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: finally the wife, she she messages back and she's like, yeah,
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: we moved from there and and everything like that, and
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: I said, okay, I said, well I saw. I did
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: a whole like four paragraphs of how my feeling. I
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: wanted to get everything out in case she was just like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: fuck you, we don't care. We're just trying to make
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: some money over there. Well she was like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: She's like I gotta call for me. She's like, they're
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  Speaker 1: not supposed to have pets over there at all, and
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: they're definitely not supposed to have a pit bull over there,
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: because as we know, if you have a rental house.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: You cannot there. The insurance will not cover you for
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  Speaker 1: a renter with like a pit bull or a rottweiler,
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  Speaker 1: or even like German shepherds or sometimes or even.
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  Speaker 2: What are those any of the bully bird?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, any of those, like the higher risk dogs, they
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  Speaker 1: will not ensure you. So I was telling that, So
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: she's like panicking. I guess she's over in Australia. It's
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: like she said, it's like one o'clock in the morning.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: She's calling her the property manager and so supposedly, supposedly,
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is true. Me and Stu do
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: not think this is true at all. The lady said
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  Speaker 1: that her. So the property manager calls and she mess
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: me back and she's like, hey, if you see anything.
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  Speaker 1: They said that the dog's gonna be leaving Tuesday because
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: her daughter is in the military and she's in town,
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: and that's why the dog's here. The dog has been
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: here for a month or more. At this point, things
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: aren't adding up. Not to mention me, I well, student,
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  Speaker 1: but I looked up if she does live the daughter
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  Speaker 1: is in the military in fact, and does live on
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  Speaker 1: the base or something like that, she cannot have a
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: pit bull it's like they're like banned from like the base.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same thing with the insurance. So she might
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: live off in her own apartment or something, but getting
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: a pit bull at an apartment is also difficult. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: stories aren't adding up, but we're supposed to let the
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  Speaker 1: lady know if it's not gone after Tuesday, if the
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: dog is still around. But I'm relieved because now I
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: can stop stressing about the pit bull and go on
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: back to stressing about other things like rattlesnakes. Yes, this
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: has consumed I'm not even joking, guys, this has consumed
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: my life for a month. I have been so paranoid
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: about this dog. Is It is like if I should
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  Speaker 1: post next time he's out and doing his thing, all, well, no,
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  Speaker 1: I probably won't, but post a video. I'm not gonna
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: do that. We don't need to. We don't need to
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  Speaker 1: like then defind us and then you know, murder us anything.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, the dog is just very aggressive. So that's
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  Speaker 1: our saga. That's what we've been dealing with, and it's
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  Speaker 1: finally coming to an end, and I'm very excited. I'm relieved.
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  Speaker 1: Now we just got to do now the next thing
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: or The new thing I'm worrying about is this baby
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: crying on a plane. So our baby has turned into
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: a from a that's the that's the chair moving. That's
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: the chair moving. Our baby has turned into a docile, sweet,
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: happy baby to a a angry pterodactyl that squeals all
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: the time and has and you can't comfort her. So
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: it's just perfect timing for us to get on a
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: plane and fly for the first time with all so
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: we might go Yeah, we might go viral. We're not sure,
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: but hopefully not. Anyways, all right, well, if you were,
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: if you hung and hear through this, check out the
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: Patreon because we hopefully should have an episode coming up
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: on there that's Patreon only, and watch that documentary if
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: you can, the one on Peacock Face to face with
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson. And then we have Facebook Instagram. I'll be
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: posting the book club pick this a week or whatever.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, so check us out on Instagram Facebook.
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  Speaker 1: I might have some cruise related stuff posting, some recipes,
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: some things, anything else.
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  Speaker 2: Do no, I think that's played.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well, if you have been skipping forward,
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  Speaker 1: it's your time. You need to stop, because we're about
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  Speaker 1: to start the actual episode. So hell, sorry, I keep
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  Speaker 1: touching things. Sorry, story, he's looking at me. We have
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  Speaker 1: a new setup and it's not it's not the best.
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  Speaker 1: We gotta figure it out, but Helen. Marlene Major Nay
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  Speaker 1: Oaks was born December seventh, nineteen fifty four, in Kentucky
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  Speaker 1: to Willie and Mildred Oaks. She wouldn't end up going
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  Speaker 1: by her middle name Marlene now. Marlene met William Bill Major,
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  Speaker 1: who went by Bill, and they married in nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 1: one when Marlene was just a teenager. Now they settled
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  Speaker 1: in Verona, Kentucky, which is in northern Kentucky. It was
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  Speaker 1: a thriving small town that was in corporate but that
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  Speaker 1: since has dissolved. I guess you can be incorporated, and
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  Speaker 1: then if you don't have like the basic things, you
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: can become unincorporated.
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  Speaker 2: I guess you suppose, and then your town just goes away.
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  Speaker 1: Well because apparently, like I guess, they used to have
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: like a like a post office and all that kind
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: of stuff, and it just things went like I think
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of you know, between like the
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: Great Depression and all this stuff. This town just dissolved
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  Speaker 1: into this a small community of about fifteen hundred people
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  Speaker 1: as of twenty twenty. They would have their first child,
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: a boy named Donald who would go on to run
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: for a president of the United States, and then a
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: kidding and they had him soon after they were married.
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  Speaker 1: And then they had a second child, a daughter named Laana,
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: and that her the name Lallana I thought was kind
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: of unique, but it was after Marlene's mother, that's what
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: her mom's name was. And the daughter was born about
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: four years later, so they're about four years apart, with
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: the boy being a little bit older. Range on the
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: surface seemed to be fine. However, there were problems I
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: mean on the surface, I mean a surface like at.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: The beginnings together.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they were podcasting, they were having children, great, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But just below the surface.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: But still the surface things were boiling a Cimmarin. Now,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: at some point they met a man by the name
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  Speaker 1: of Glenn Saint Hilaire. Now his truck had broken down
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: while he was driving from Texas to Ohio, and the
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  Speaker 1: major stopped to help him, and then Glenn just decided,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: okay for Verona, Kentucky residents. Now, it just it's just
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: like it's kind of how I feel about Midland. I
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: feel like people were driving it and all of a
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: sudden something just broke down. They're like, well, here we are.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Here, we are We're middling there now yep.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: So Glenn moved on to it was like the property
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: or the majors are like adjacent to theirs in a
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: trailer and was working for Bill in some capacity. I
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: think Bill did, like worked on cars things like that. Now,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Marlin and Glenn became very close and eventually started having
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: an affair.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: That's why you don't stop and help people that are
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: broke down. No, you don't.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: We don't know, don't help anybody these days. It's a yes,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I'm down, I'm down in the dumps, okay, guys, because
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: we live in Midlands, so it's just it's not creepy.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, because everybody seems to be racing down the road here.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, this neighborhood is Yes, this neighborhood is shit, and
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: like I'm just going to tell you, like we don't.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: It's not like we our house is like decent. It's
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: this was looked appears to be a decent neighborhood, but
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: it's not. It's just below the surface. When you're here,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: you're like what the fuck is living around? Like what happened?
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Nobody's nobody cares about anybody. Everyone's speeding around here, So
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: then you're like nervous about walking on the sidewalks and
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: stuff because there's people like drag racing down the street.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: But I think that's kind of a Midland issue.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Though I don't think they're drag racing. They're just jumping
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: on the gas on the on the I.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Know I'm I'm I'm being dramatic, Stu.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Yes you are. I guess people don't know that about you.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a bit I'm a bit dramatic. This is
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: the worst dog I've ever seen in my life that
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: lives next door. A spawn of Satan. That's what I
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: feel about him.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: This neighborhood is just the worst.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: It's just the worst. It's fine, it is though. It's
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: it's not that the neighborhood isn't nice, Like the elements
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: of the neighborhood are nice. It's the people. There's a
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: lot of people. The I guess this town is made
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: of a bunch of people that are have moved here
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: for for work and will be moving out just like
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: we will, and they just don't care. But I mean
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: we're like we try to just keep to ourselves and
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: leave people alone and mow our lawn and be drive
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: the speed limit. That's all I ask of you. Just yeah,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: don't move your crazy aggressive pit bull next door to
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: me and have tried to rip down our fence. So anyway,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: so where were we. So they were having They were
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: having an affair in a trailer. But this did not
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: seem to actually bother Bill. He actually encouraged the affair.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: It was just like an odd relationship. And I don't
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: know if he encouraged it because he was into like
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the whole setup, like it was like a fetish. I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: don't know. So Bill, in the meantime, was also rumored
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: to be sleeping with another woman. So while they were
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: both having affairs, they did remain married. There was substance
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: abuse within the family as well. Marlene and Bill would
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: separate on occasion, but still they seem to always just
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: come back together. I think it's like just you know,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you're here, You've got these two children. It's a dying town,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Like how are you gonna get out? Like make it?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Like what else is there? You know? So that's where
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: they are.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, go to Midland.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: You can go to Midland. We're getting a costco.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: We are next day.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully we're not here when it's actually time to
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: shop on it. In it. Oh, I thought it was
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it next year or.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: The year after that might have been breaking ground.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I think they're breaking ground between now and like next
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: year and then it'll be built in twenty twenty six
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: and fingers cross people weren't. We aren't here to actually
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: shop at that costco.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you think.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I think I've been putting the fillers and it works too.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I've been every time I have my monthly meeting, I'm like, yeah,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: whenever you have an opportunity meeting my monthly meeting? What
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: my monthly meeting? Oh like my time of the month,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: what what are you? Twelve Jesus knew that. Anyways, I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: have a monthly meet up with my boss and every
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: time I'm like, hey, whenever there's an opportunity, He's like, well,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: where do you want to move him? Like anywhere?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Just not middling anywhere.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: So I've gone it's the chairs too, all right.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: On the nine of October eleventh, nineteen eighty, Glenn became
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: concerned about his lady. He was having an affair with
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: lady by the name of Marlene. He had not seen
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: her around the house, and at about three am that
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: morning he saw Bill. How do you see somebody at
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: three am, Stuart?
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: These people are on substances. They're drinking alcohol, they're doing drugs.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: There are people of the Knights do they're meandering around?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I used to be a perree am.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I know, but you are a person in the night
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: inside your home.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: No, I would close the bart to and wherever there was.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, well then these are your people.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Then I go to the after party at your house. No,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: well maybe at Miles or somebody else's house.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: We lived such different lifestyles. I would rather keep I'd
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: rather go live with that pitbull than do that.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Try and cuddle up with that as.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, i'd.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So at three am he saw Bell asked about
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Marie and the children. Bill told Glenn that he did
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: not know where Marlene was because she had left and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: she took the children with her. On October fourteenth, Bill
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: finally called the police and told them that Marlene was missing.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: The children were not missing, though, despite what Bill told Glenn.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Bill had actually dropped the children off at a neighbor's
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: home the night of October tenth, telling the neighbors that
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Marlene had left. Bill told police that Marlene had just
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: up and left in the middle of the night, three days.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Prior took or Yeah, he didn't tell them obviously take
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the children because the children were back. But yeah, he's
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: telling some different stories. I'll just tell you right now,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: this is a this is a this is a frustrating
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: like how did this, how did this happen? And how
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: did this go this long without someone being held accountable.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Giving us insight into this episode?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, Bill told that is what I'm doing, stud.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Why thank you. Bill told police that Marlene had just up.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I already read that he had been at the police
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: that they had a professional thought. It is professional. We
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: could edit it out, but we shan't, but we're not. Nope,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: he admitted to police that they had argued and that
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: she had got upset and left because, like we said,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: they get upset with you. Yeah, she leaves, comes back.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: It's not unusual. Yeah, it's not. I think it was
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: more unusual that she just didn't go to Glenn's house
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: because they were.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Making the beast with two backs.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think it was he was. He was
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: seeing that It was odd that he didn't see her.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It was not odd that she might get away from Bill,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: but for her to not see Glenn was a different story.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Not Glenn Glenn. Now, police speak to the children, who
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: are now eight and four. Neither recalls hearing anything or
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: seeing their mom leave. Police look around the house and
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: they find that Marlene's car is missing, but everything else
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: she owns is still there, her purse, jewelry, meds, everything
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: that you would think somebody who's leaving, even just for
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: a few days would take with them. So police find
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: us very odd and they look into what might have
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: happened to Marlene. Bill denied any involvement with the disappearance,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: and he seemed forthcoming with all the information. He even
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: told police about the affair that Marlene was having with Glenn.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: He did, however, deny that he was in any type
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: of extramarital.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Of well, of course he was like, oh, forthcoming with
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: her affair, But with his, he's like, oh, no, that's
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: not true. But hers, it's like, yeah, she was sleeping around. Yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: because the other makes him look suspicious. That one makes
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: her look like she would run off, you know, like
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: if she's sleeping with another guy. Maybe there's another one, Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Nother fellow that she took a cotton to.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: This is the chair, everybody, you didn't know? This is
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the chair.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: How come it's never done that before. I don't know.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't know.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: He's home and there are no signs of struggle and
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: nothing that appeared out of sorts. They then speak to Glenn.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: He didn't any involvement and he lets please search his trailer. Again,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: no signs of struggle or anything abnormal. Police are wondering
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: if Marlene did actually just decide to up and lave
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: her life and start over. She was married young, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: she was not obviously in the best of marriages right now.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's possible she just was like one of
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: he I'm out. But a lot of people said she
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have left her children like that, though in that situation,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: she might have hated Bill, but not Bill. Yeah. Bill
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: continued to say that Marlene just left on her own accord.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: That's the story he's going with, abandoning her family, even
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: telling her their children that she was drug addicted, she's
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: a prostitute, she's an alcoholic. She didn't care about him,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and she just up and left. That's what he's telling
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: his kids, the poor eight and four year old.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Damn, yeah, right there, Belle.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: He could have been like, just lied right now and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: be like, yeah.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: She joined the FBI, she's sick, she's at the hospital,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: but we can't see her or something.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Police, however, continued to look for Marlene. They did
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: searches in the area, and when nothing was found, they
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: sent her image in dental records nationwide in case she
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: turned up in another state, but nothing was found. Now,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: this case quickly went cold. If Marlene was out there,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: she did not want to be found, or they could
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: not find her. She was either really just up and
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: left and was like I'm out, or she's something bad
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to see.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Now, police learned that Bill began selling his stuff in
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the days after Marlene's disappearance in preparation for moving up north.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: This included two guns and a tractor to one of
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: his neighbors. Now, Bill and the children they moved to
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Rhode Island with his parents shortly after Marlene's death, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: within one year he was remarried. Now, during that time,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Glenn told police that he was concerned something had happened
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to Marlene because Glenn actually cared about Marlene. So he's
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the one still pressing on, going, Uh, this isn't right,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: guys like this, Why are we just believing this dumbass?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: So police learned that prior to her disappearance, she had
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: given Glenn her diaries for safe keeping. Now you know
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: she trusted Glenn if she's given him her diaries because
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: she knows he's probably gonna read him.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Who keeps diaries?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Marlene?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I think, well, what happens when you die and somebody
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: reads all your stuff?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Well, it's gonna be embarrassing, but you're gonna be dead.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of people keep diaries. I think.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I don't. I can't. I would I think it. I
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: think it's a cool ideal because you could like look
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: back what you were doing five years ago and how
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you felt.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: But the problem is is that face your photos on
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: your phone.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: But the problem is is that it's the doing it daily,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the taking the time to do it. I don't know.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: It just seems like I don't have I've tried to
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: do it before. It doesn't it's not I don't have
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the I guess the disciplines do or I don't find
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: it cathartic enough to do it. So all right, so
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: they go and they collect those diaries and put them
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: into evidence. Glenn also told police that Bill would talk
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: about killing Marlene when they were separated at times like
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: so this is like, this is I'm telling you guys,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: this is very frustrating because you're like, what the fuck
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: is happening, going as far as to say that he
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: would shoot her, then chop off her head and remove
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the teeth so that no one would be able to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: identify the body.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Police also learned that he made these types of statements
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to other people in their circle of friends.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: So it's it's not odd. It's commonplace.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: What he means not odd. It's commonplace that Bill does this.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling old Bill's being Bill.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's it's a frustrating situation for the family
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and for Glenn, you know, the lover, the lover.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: When reviewing the diaries, police find an entry dated a
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: few days prior to Marlene going missing on the town now,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: and this is stating that she had walked in on
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Bill sexually abusing Donald. With this information, the Kentucky authorities visited.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: She also mentioned in the diary entry that and this
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: is not Stuw's fault because I didn't write it down.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: But she also mentioned that she was going to kill
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Bill if he ever touched her again, and she was
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: taking the children in basically, if he ever did anything again,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: she was going to kill him. So that's what. She
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: was very upset about this.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Whole thing, as one would be.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just glad she was upset because some people
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: just seem to let these things know that this happened
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: and just let it go.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: This is true too. So the police do visit Bill
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: and the children up in Rhode Island to interview them
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: about the sexual abuse charges. They were unsuccessful in getting
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: any information due to Donald being afraid and he didn't
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: want to tell police the truth. Yeah.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: He's only eight or nine years old at this point,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and he's really afraid of his dad.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so even Yeah, and he's even more afraid now
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: because he didn't tell the authorities anything. But Bill still
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: beat Donald severely afterwards to keep him in fear so
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: that he would never speak up. However, soon after Bill remarried,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Lallana and Donald confided in their new stepmother, telling her
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: that their dad had been sexually abusing them for years.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd been. He moved on or was also started
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: with Donald, then moved on to Lallana.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the new step mom, she immediately believes the
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: children since Bill had been extremely violent with them. She
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: reported Bill to the police and he was arrested. He
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: was convicted of child abuse and sent us to fifteen
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: years in prison, but he would only serve about ten years.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: He should have been shot a woodchipper. Yeah, you know
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: how I feel about pedophiles. That is going on the
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: woodchipper feet first.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he should not have been allowed to get out
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: in about so.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Now ever, it should definitely got way more than fifteen years.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: During the time of the arrest of Bill. Back in Kentucky,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: on November twenty ninth, nineteen eighty one, a skull of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: a female was found on a nearby farm belonging to
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the Waller family. Now, due to the skull missing teeth
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and the lack of DNA testing technology, they were unable
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to positively identify the skull. They just knew it belonged
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: to a female. But that's the extent of it. It
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: was known that Bill would work on the Waller farm
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: on occasion all signs pointed to the skull belonging to
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Marlene and Bill being the killer. However, they had no
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: way of proving any of this. Now, years would go
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: by without any real movement in the case, and Bill
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: would be sitting behind bars due to those child abuse convictions.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if they were just like, oh,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: he's behind bars right now.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Anyway, so we got time, we got time, we'll figure
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: it out. Yeah, but did they have time?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the budget was in Verona on
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the investigation. Who I guess it was the Sheriff's department investor.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Probably had to be in the county. In nineteen ninety six,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Bill was transported back to Kentucky where he was once
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: again detained for the same sexual allegations that had occurred
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: in Kentucky the years prior.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, from what I understood, it was a little bit confusing,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: But after researching several sources to what I determined was
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Bill did have a stroke around nineteen ninety five and
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: was wheelchair bound. Then he was transported back to Kentucky
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: because they were hoping to press charges for the the
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: crimes that he committed in Kentucky. However, due to the
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: statue of limitations, they were unable to do this, so
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: then therefore they just had to let him go. But
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: he wasn't a wheelchair at this point, so his ability
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to hurt people was greatly diminished. Still should be behind barns,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: but I'm just saying like it wasn't. He was not
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: as much of a thread anymore.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: No, after Bill got out of this little pickle, he
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: then relocated to Massachifts. In two thousand and one, Sorry Massachusetts,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: they police finally had a break in the case. Police
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: learned that back in nineteen ninety six, Bill had a
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: phone call with his father, James. During this conversation, Bill
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: had confessed to killing Marlene. James did not go to
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: the police with this information, and so it was five
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: years before they could even follow up that they that
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: he had after this confession. Once they learned this, they
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: contacted James. He agreed to try to get a son
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: to confess over the phone, with police listening in. During
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: the conversation, Bill said the following.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: We just had to pause again, and you hear heard
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: at the end of that sentence, it's these these fuckers
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: rout here again in their goddamn truck.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Stewart with their modified mufflers thinking.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: They're badass compensating for something. Ough.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think any room in this house was
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: recorded in unless it's our closet again.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the room at the front, like the guest
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: bedroom at the front is terrible at nighttime. It's just
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: lights coming in all the time. You can hear cars.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I feel sorry for anybody that comes and stays at
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: our house and it's the sleeper, but it's the best
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: we could do.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not going to give them r room.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: No. Yeah, our room has a dog barking next to it.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: And there's nothing. Yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: You can hear stuff from our room too.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, you could have heard that from our room probably. Yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: The problem is too this is like a cheaply built
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: home too. I mean it's nice on the surface, but
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: it's probably falling apart.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Just underneath the surface.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: It's just underneath the surface.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Things are falling apart under the facade. It's getting back
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: to our story. During the conversation, Bell said the following,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: why do I get the feeling that somebody is trying
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: to set me up? When asked if he could say
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: what happened, Bell replied, even if I could, I probably wouldn't.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: When his father told him that his daughter just wanted
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: to know what had happened, Bell said to tell her
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: to ask Marlene's boyfriend in Indiana. I think they had
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: a talk with him. They might be surprised. When his
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: father reminded, Bill, you told me you killed her, he replied,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: at the time, I was in jail and I was
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: pretty well upset. Although this was not true. He was
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: in between incarcerations at the time that he told his
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: father he murdered, Otherwise it would already been on the
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: jail house recording.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. He just was like saying, I was
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: just upset in prison or whatever, and it's like and
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: then he kind of come up with this Indiana boyfriend,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: which I don't think there's any truth to that whatsoever.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Plus Glenn was from Indiana, I don't know.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: We don't know. Maybe no, well, Glenn came from Texas
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and then broke down. He might have came from Indiana first,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: We don't know. We do not know what Glenn was
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: up to prior to his time in Texas and then
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: breaking down in Kentucky. Now, with this new information, they
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: were able to charge James with the murder. Not James
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: charge Bill with the murder of Marlene in July of
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one. Finally, you know, this is twenty
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: one years later, and he obviously did it right off
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the bat. He was extra extradited back to Kentucky. Now,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: once in custody, Bill began asking questions about the investigation.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: He continued to speak and incriminate himself in Marlene's murder. Now, finally,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: on another occasion, he told detectives what actually happened to
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Marlene on the night of her disappearance. He says that
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: they go into got into an argument while sitting in
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: her Ford pintos do.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: She why are you laughing at four Penta? It used
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: to be the go to car.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: So then exploded, yeah.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: She then pulled a gun on him.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Let's say yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I said, yeah, okay, I was thinking about that car
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that there was a car that caught on fire down
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: down near by the the raising Knes and the and
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the hotels. And then I was saying about that car
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: that caught on fire from that battery from that cocoa
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: melon book or whatever that someone left in their car
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and it got too hot. Not here someplace els but.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: It did happen North Carolina.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so where were we on? So okay,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: so there's it in the Ford Pinto picture this. They're
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: in an argument out it's a brown one in the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Ford Pinto. She then pulls a gun on him and
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: he takes it from her. She began screaming, and he
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: said that he lost it and fired the gun until
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: it was empty. When he realized he had killed her,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: he left her body in the pinto, the Ford Pinto
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and took the children to the neighbors for the night.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: So all this is matching up with what happened originally
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: what he said whenever he said he took the kids
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and stuff. He then took Marlene's Pinto to the Waller farm,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: where he dumped her body in a sinkhole, covered it
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: in dirt and a piece of rolled fencing, and then
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: tossed the murder weapon into a nearby pond. He dumped
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: her body, portioned her head or whatever. He actually did,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: rip off the rip out the teeth, He did the
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: whole thing that he's threatened he was gonna do, telling everybody.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: He actually took her teeth out so they couldn't identify her.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: He then disposed of her car in the Ohio River
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: near a ferry. Now at this point he even drew
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: police a map to help them search for her body.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: A search was performed for Marline's remains, the car and
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the gun, but only that skull was recovered back from
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one. So what happened was that to get
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the skull to match it to Marlene, they needed that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: mitochondrial DNA I believe, and so they needed twenty thousand
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: dollars a test. So the daughter had really been pushing
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: this investigation. She's like, Lallana is like, I know, my
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: mom didn't just abandon it's obviously my dad killed my mom.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: So she's pushing for this. She was doing like fundraisers
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: to get this testing because this is a small they
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: don't have the money to be testing this skull. And
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: finally she pushed and pushed and pushed, and she was
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: doing a fundraiser and finally the Kentucky was like, Okay,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: we'll pay for it. So then they paid for the
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: testing and they were able to confirm that skull from
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one was in fact Marlene. So they got
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: all the pieces. Now they have the body they have
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the confession, they have all the circumstantial evidence everything. So
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: whenever it was time for the trials due or time
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: for him to be sentenced, sentenced, so he could have
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: got the death penalty or he could have gotten the
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: life in prison. So anyway, so when he was sentenced,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: they did talk to James the father about how he
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: felt about testifying against his son. Yeah, and that the
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: death penalty was an option, and he said that's all right.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: He said he was in He lived in Nova Scotia,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: which we've been in Nova Scotia, haven't we still.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw Jack Dawson's graves.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we went to Nova Scotia and we saw the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Titanic because you know, the a lot of the bodies.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Ended up over there and fifteen bodies there.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we also they had that that great
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: explosion that had a lot of bodies. And then we
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: learned that that in h is it Boston or not Boston,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: somewhere on the East coast they sent a bunch of
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: help and maybe it was Massachusetts. They it's all come
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: in full circles too, it's all connected. So they sent
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: a bunch of help over after that explosion in uh
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: in in in Halifax, and so now every year the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Nova Scotia send one of their nice Christmas trees to
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: ever since then, Yeah, I think it's Boston. Now I'm
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: gonna have to look it up, but it's over there somewhere.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: It's one of those East Coast places. Not Jersey though, yeah,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: not Jersey. They would definitely never send any help. So
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: so James, the father of Bill, he's saying, so he's
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: being interviewed, and he said, all pull the fucking switch
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: if they need me to. He's no good, he's no
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: asset to anyone. So the dad was like finally came around,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: was like, I mean, he could have he could have
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: mentioned that he confessed to it back in nineteenninety six,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: but I guess five years later find you You're finally like, okay,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell him my son. He's a piece of shit. Anyways.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: So he did get sentenced to life in prison. But
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: he's like he looks as he looks like a person
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: who was like rotten on the core, and so it
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: just like manifested on the outside of his body. He's
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: in like a wheelchair. He's all like he looked like
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: that guy from that took that JC doguard that. You
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: know how gross he was looking, Stu.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: No, I have not. I don't recall seeing the fellow
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: that did that.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, well everybody else imagine that guy. All right, well
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: that's our case, Stu. Do you have a yell? Need cheese?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I do have a yell?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: He does, actually doesn't. He's just saying that right now.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I got one somewhere.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: He's got one somewhere. He's gonna pull it out of
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: his ass. Just like everything else.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I send text to my south whenever I see these stories. Yeah,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I might have a text for myself somewhere.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: All right, well let's go ahead and do it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Might my little honey hole.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Ew that's gross sounding. What that's gross? Anyways? Uh uh
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you know what? I you know what that reminded me of. Though,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I've got this new cucumber. Uh, I've got this new cucumber,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: and I knew it was kind of news fielding, so
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I had I had seed where so I'm trying this out.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: So what you do is you cut the end of
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: a cucumber to expose like the center, you know, and
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: then you put the cucumber in the freezer in a
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: zip hop bag. And you know, like they say, like
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: those cold presses or like the rolling the cold things
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Stew's making noise over there, the cold things on your
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: face supposed to help well, like all the stuff that's
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: in a cucumber is supposed to help your face too.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: So what you do is you take the cucumber out
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: in the bag and you rub it all over your face.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: So I knew Stu was gonna say something like he
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: could couldn't hold it together watching me rub the cue.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: So what you did is you walked up to find
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: me while you're doing it, just to see my reaction, I.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Guess, just to put you over the edge with it. Yeah,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: so I'm just rubbing it all.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Over, trying to have a conversation with me like nothing
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: else is going on.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I did just on purpose anyways, what okay, So let's
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: do the y'all need Jesus all right, everybody, we're back.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: It has been actually four days, it has not been
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: a couple of minutes because Stu dident have his yeall
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: need Jesus ready, He claims he did, but he did
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: not because obviously we would have recorded but then but
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: we didn't.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: So here we are you didn't want to do. The
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Russian tourist in Thailand, that.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Was stop talk about it, what's wrong?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: And then he got gorg.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, what is wrong with you? Anyways, we're gonna try
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: to do this quickly because we have three children that
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: are awake, and we're just hoping they're just quiet for
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: a couple of minutes while we do this. It's our
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: third take trying to do this, So go aheads.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Do a half hour later.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: All right, we have one baby in here with us.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Now hopefully she doesn't say anything.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: It's day seven. Now go aheads do Wells Fargo employee
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: found debt at her desk after four days unnoticed. Florida
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: not Florida, not Florida coming to us from the bomb.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Cheated though, because we've already been through this, yes.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Four times, six days ago. Beaumont Enterprise from September third,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four by Robin Bradshaw Wells Fargo Bank is
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: no stranger to discreditable behavior.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Is I can attest to that.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: That's a word discreditable.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I'm sure maybe autocorrect.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I know, Wills Fargo is terrible.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: That's what I heard.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: The Beaumont time Steward, it could be just the.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Wrong work and the latest scandal is out of an
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: office in Arizona where an employee was reportedly dead at
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: her desk for four days unnoticed. At say seven am
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: on August sixteenth, Denise Prudome, age sixty, entered the Wells
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Fargo building for work, and on August twentieth, the building
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: security called authorities after finding an unresponsive employee. Prudome was
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: pronounced dead when they arrived at the building. A Wells
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Fargo employee told twelve News CBS Arizona that a colleague
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: actually found Prudom dead at her desk in a cubicle
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: while walking around the building, while also stating her cubicle
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: was away from the central aisle of cubicles on the
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: third floor.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: When you were in a cubicle and you couldn't even
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: be found, I mean, I'm in a cubicle at work
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: and they would definitely notice if I was dead. But
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I'm popular at work for some reason. I'm not really
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: sure what.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we all know why.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: People come and you don't people come in I like
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I texted to anyways, we won't get into in case
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: what if someone listens that I work with. I would
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: hope not anyways, always coming to visit me, and I'm
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: just like, I don't know how it happened. They would
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: definitely notice if I was.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Dead, would they? Yes, somebody needs to do that job.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Like you're kidding me. Right now, the cat's gonna cry
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: right now. We've finally got all three children to be quiet,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and the cat's gonna be alogy.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Of course he is. Maybe we shouldn't have saved him
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: after all, Stuart, What several people smelled a foul odor
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: but passed it off as faulty plumbing. That also sounds
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: like people around your cubicle, the employee stated in the What.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: The building has twenty four to seven security, and someone
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: should have found Prudom sooner. Employees reported Wells Fargo was
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: not forthcoming with information to staff. We are deeply saddened
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: by the loss of our colleague Denise Prudome A. Wells
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Fargo Sparks's Reuben Pulito told CNN they weren't that sad.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: They didn't know she was even around. Like even if
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I if I was in a cubical but the coworkers
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: would notice if I didn't show up for four days
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't on my calendar to like not be there.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: What did Denise do?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Is?
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: What I want to know is that you go whole
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: days with no produced.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Work and you're what about her family? I guess she
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: had no family whatsoever.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Her cat probably missed her.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Why didn't you die at home? I could add some
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: the that's terrible?
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: You Sai's terrible. A woman did die, Okay.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Our thoughts are with her family and loved ones, and
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: we are in contact. I don't know to ensure they
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: are well supported during this difficult time.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I doubt that Wells Fargo is a piece of shit.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: They said they're reviewing its internal procedures regarding their employees
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: safety and wellness following Prudom's death. Pulito said in the
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: report that counselors were made available to affected employees. Evidently
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: no one cared about her. No one needs therapy because
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: no one knowed she was missing.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Noon even walked over there and said.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Hi, hey Denise, how was your weekend? Hey Denise, would
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: you do last? Yeah?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody would care enough to make that stupid office
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: small talk that you got to make.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing I can hope after because
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get in trouble by some people that Denise
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: was a horrible person that ate other people, that ate
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: tuna fish and heated up seafood in the microwave at work,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: and stole other people's lunch because and did.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: And like took credit for everybody else's work that they
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: did well.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Evidently not because nobody knows she was missing, that is,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I don't. That'd probably be me. I don't know if
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: anybody noticed I was missing, if I wasn't married to you,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: and you'd be like, where is your father to watch you?
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: What?
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: The only reason you notice I'm missing is because you
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: need somebody to come take her to his kids so
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: you could take a break.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is true.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Other than that, I don't know.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I would say that the pot that people listening to
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: podcasts be like, oh what happened to them? They probably
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: have another kid they just ghosted.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, man, it could be dead in our house for
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: six months and nobody know.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Alright, we're gonna quit now while we're ahead. So when
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: the baby's trying to eat my headphones? All right? Well,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: anything else i'd like to say about the dog I
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: would have I had to cough. I don't have time
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: to edit that out. Though if the dog had not
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: been aggressive, I would have never called or anything. But one,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: the dog was very aggressive, and I was afraid he
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: was going to attack somebody, our children or somebody's dog
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: out front, because he had already broken one of the
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: pieces of fence in the front and was like sticking
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: his head all the way out. And then two, they
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: were not supposed to have a dog in the first place.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: They were disrespecting the owners of the home and lied
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: on their application. Anyways, anyways, just had to summarize that
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: for everybody's like, oh my god, I can't believe he
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: called about the dog. You're such a dog hater. We
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: love dogs, we're dog people. I was saving the other
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: dogs in the neighborhood dogs because that dog was gonna
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: get out and attack somebody.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: What did you do with her?
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Thoughts? All right? Anyways, all right, well I think that's it.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: That is it?
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Bye?
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Everyone, say bye ste By.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Still don't you know it's bad luck to be superstitious, Bud.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Nothing else is working, and my hand is really hurting
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: at a sicko. It's worry bound. I can