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The Kenny Report | 26 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny.
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Speaker 1: Report, thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi all over the shop on negative gearing, while
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen tries to pretend he really is producing cheaper electricity.
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Speaker 1: How embarrassing.
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Speaker 3: Also, Australia joins a host of major countries calling for
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Speaker 3: ceasefires in the Middle East. Why aren't they all cracking
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Speaker 3: down on the terrorists instead? Can't wait for Saturday's Grand Final?
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Speaker 3: But with no Melbourne team even playing, doesn't it highlight
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Speaker 3: the folly of Daniel Andrews's Grand Final eve public holiday?
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Speaker 3: Also the British Prime Minister's elaborate gifts. Keir Starmer heads
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Speaker 3: up the Party of the Workers, but he's gifted a
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Speaker 3: lavish lifestyle. Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson joined me too,
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Speaker 3: and I'll have an update from Frank the superactive octagenarian.
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Speaker 3: Let's get started. The Albenese labor government is in as shambles.
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Speaker 3: No one knows what they're on about, least of all themselves.
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Speaker 3: Treasurer Jim Charmers floated negative gearing and capital gains tax
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Speaker 3: changes as.
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Speaker 1: A thought bubble.
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Speaker 3: A dead cat dropped on the Prime Minister's desk. Then
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Speaker 3: he headed off to China, leaving the Prime Minister to explain.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Alberinezi yesterday said the public service might be looking
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Speaker 3: at options, but today he said he had no plans
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Speaker 3: to make changes, but still he wouldn't rule it out.
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Speaker 3: He sounds a little confused and testy.
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Speaker 2: If we go to the current issue of negative gearing
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Speaker 2: capital gains tax, might you change not even though well,
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Speaker 2: it certainly is paper at the moment. When you say
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Speaker 2: there are no plans to change, that doesn't mean.
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Speaker 4: It with trail, That doesn't mean it's trail.
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Speaker 2: But when you say there are no plans to change
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Speaker 2: capital gains tax or negative gearing, could those plans change?
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Speaker 4: Well, if you ask the same question, Peter, you.
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Speaker 2: Get Well, I'm not getting a response to it. So
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Speaker 2: can I ask again, could those plans?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 4: You are, Yes, you are. You're not listening, Peter. You've
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Speaker 4: already asked it and I've already answered it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm plans, But could plans change?
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Speaker 4: And I well, if you want to keep interrupting me,
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Speaker 4: then this won't be We won't get anywhere.
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Speaker 3: I fear we won't get anywhere. It's all about as
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Speaker 3: clear as mud hey, and given Labour's broken promises on
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Speaker 3: tax cuts, power prices, interest rates and the cost of living,
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Speaker 3: it could end up anywhere. This comes after Labour's three
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Speaker 3: and a half billion dollar electricity rebate trick failed to
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Speaker 3: colm the Reserve Bank into thinking inflation was beaten, So
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Speaker 3: we're stuck with higher interest rates.
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Speaker 1: Still yeah. The Climate and.
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Speaker 3: Energy Minister Chris Blackout Bowen has taken to Twitter claiming victory.
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Speaker 3: Bowen quotes the Australian Bureau of Statistics figures to claim
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Speaker 3: that Labor has pushed power prices down by fourteen percent
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Speaker 3: in one year, the biggest ever drop.
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Speaker 1: How about that?
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Speaker 3: He says, electricity prices are heading in the right direction.
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Speaker 3: But if we go to the ABS figures, if we
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Speaker 3: go to the source document, we get the full picture,
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Speaker 3: the reality. The very next line, which Bowen did not quote,
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Speaker 3: makes clear it is not cheaper prices at play, but
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Speaker 3: government subsidies. The combined impact of Commonwealth and state rebates
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Speaker 3: drove the annual fall.
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Speaker 1: In electricity prices.
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Speaker 3: Yet Labor promised to lower electricity costs, not use our
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Speaker 3: own money, taxpayers money to artificially help pay the bills.
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Speaker 3: This graph in the same abs statement shows what power
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Speaker 3: prices would look like without Labour's temporary election year rebates. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: the real costs are up seventeen percent, so they're coming
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Speaker 3: our way sometime. If Labor wasn't spending other people's money,
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Speaker 3: they wouldn't know what to do. The Prime Minister earlier
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Speaker 3: today was pressed on whether his word could be trusted
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Speaker 3: on negative gearing, giving his record on tax cuts.
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Speaker 2: Two words, there, no plans. Problem is you've said this
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Speaker 2: before and then changed course. Might you do it again, Pete?
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Speaker 4: What we did with our income tax changes was to
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Speaker 4: deliver a tax cut for every.
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Speaker 2: Australia life doing a live You were doing that.
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Speaker 1: Guess what, Pete?
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Speaker 4: Well, well, if I did, so, did plead it, Dunton
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Speaker 4: because they voted for it?
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Speaker 1: Okay, so they voted for it. But might you be
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Speaker 1: lying again? They voted.
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Speaker 4: No, And I don't accept the premise of your question, Peter.
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Speaker 4: What happened very clearly was that there was a massive
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Speaker 4: change in circumstances.
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Speaker 3: The old massive change in circumstances. Didn't he get elected
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Speaker 3: because he promised to fix that cost of living crisis?
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Speaker 3: It sounds like he's trying to say he's not really responsible.
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Speaker 1: Albo says she.
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Speaker 2: Is not not defensible, shore nuts, not fusible.
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Speaker 1: She can answer for don jin he gets.
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Speaker 5: Up ju he thinks is not not not sensible.
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Speaker 3: Shut well, I'll tell you what Anthony Albanezi is responsible for.
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Speaker 3: He's responsible for getting his government into gear and telling
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Speaker 3: his own MPs and voters what on earth it's doing
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Speaker 3: and why it deserves to be re elected.
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Speaker 1: And he'd want to get cracking.
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Speaker 3: The new chairman of the ABC gave a speech last
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Speaker 3: night and Kim Williams spoke at great length about fake news,
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Speaker 3: quoting George Orwell and lamenting how it's so difficult in
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Speaker 3: the digital age to find trusted, objective, factual information.
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Speaker 5: Have a listen a time when populists are everywhere to
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Speaker 5: be found, using digital technology to invent alternative facts and
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Speaker 5: spread lies to overwhelm people's trust in their elected leaders
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Speaker 5: and processes of government. So pervasive is this now that
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Speaker 5: no one seriously expects the Russian media to tell the
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Speaker 5: truth about what is going on in Ukraine, and no
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Speaker 5: one can automatically take at face value claims made in
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Speaker 5: US presidential election debates. The decline of traditional media and
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Speaker 5: the challenging of democracy around the world are linked. Misinformation
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Speaker 5: has become politics by other means, and disinformation has become
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Speaker 5: war by other means.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that comparing Russian propaganda with the
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Speaker 3: free and open debate we get in the United States
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Speaker 3: is a fair comparison, But you know this is the
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Speaker 3: sort of false equivalence that chattering classes love. I mean,
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Speaker 3: we could hardly criticize Russia, could we without having a
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Speaker 3: dig at the Great Republic too? But my point here
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Speaker 3: is to point out the gap between words and actions.
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Speaker 3: If you accept the problem of fake news, as surely
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Speaker 3: we all do, if you want to counter it, and
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Speaker 3: you run a major broadcasting bay moth replete with government
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Speaker 3: funding and statutory obligations, well you've got a chance to
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Speaker 3: do something about it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, when will.
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Speaker 3: The ABC correct and explain and apologize for its own
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Speaker 3: fake news in trying to set up Heston Russell as
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Speaker 3: a war criminal?
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Speaker 6: Revealing an astonishing difference between the source vision and the
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Speaker 6: version of events told by the ABC's Mark Willison, which
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Speaker 6: starts with six rounds of firing, then the single warning
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Speaker 6: shot becomes six.
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Speaker 7: To me, it appears some of these things they've literally
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Speaker 7: added extra gunshots that's phenomenon.
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Speaker 8: So I fell off my chair when I saw.
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Speaker 3: This indefensible journalism from the ABC.
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Speaker 1: So fix it, correct it, be.
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Speaker 3: Accountable, And if you go to the ABC online you
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Speaker 3: can easily watch the three four Corners episodes. That's spent
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Speaker 3: perhaps a million dollars of your money promoting one of
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Speaker 3: the wildest conspiracy theories ever prosecuted.
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Speaker 9: Hello, and welcome to Four Corners. Tonight we begin our
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Speaker 9: special three part investigation into the story of the century,
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Speaker 9: the election of US President Donald Trump and his ties
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Speaker 9: to Russia. The Kremlin's puppetmaster now has America dancing to
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Speaker 9: his discordant tune.
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Speaker 3: He couldn't have planned it better, The Gormler taxpayer funded
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Speaker 3: journalism of the century. It all looked absurd and desperate
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Speaker 3: at the time. It's all since been thoroughly debunked, but
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Speaker 3: it's still available online, uncorrected, no apologies offered, just fake
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Speaker 3: news courtesy of the ABC. And then there's the day
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Speaker 3: to day dribble from the ABC that seems to turn
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Speaker 3: common sense, economic orthodoxy, and political objectivity on their heads.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen to this exchange with Shadow treasurer Angus
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Speaker 3: Taylor on ABC Radio.
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Speaker 10: This morning who has been more extravagant with public spending
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Speaker 10: Here Labour with its new public servant jobs, or the
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Speaker 10: Coalition with its consultants and other source outsourced workers in
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Speaker 10: the previous period of government.
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Speaker 8: Well, you just have to look at the overall spending.
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Speaker 8: I mean, we've seen spending going up at a rapid
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Speaker 8: rate sixteen percent in two years.
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about overall spending.
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Speaker 10: I'm talking about those particular public service jobs that Jane
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Speaker 10: Hume cited as an example of government largeesss.
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Speaker 8: But at the end of the day, it's the total
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Speaker 8: spend that matters for Australia. And can we come back
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Speaker 8: to the thirty six things? I mean, I think now
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Speaker 8: is not the time to be adding thirty six thousand
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Speaker 8: camera based public servants.
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Speaker 1: What if that money?
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Speaker 8: Now is the time for government to be managing every
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Speaker 8: taxpayer dollar.
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Speaker 3: Really, employing an extra thirty six thousand permanent public servants
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Speaker 3: in Canberra is a way to save taxpayers money. These
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Speaker 3: people are so divorced from the real world they cannot
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Speaker 3: actually engage in sensible discussion about it. If Kim Williams
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Speaker 3: is so concerned to make about fake news, and he's
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Speaker 3: right to be He's in a unique position to do
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Speaker 3: something about it. He just needs to make sure the
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Speaker 3: ABC stops producing it.
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Speaker 1: On the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: Australia has joined other nations including the US, Japan, Canada, France, Italy, Germany,
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Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar and the EU, calling for
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Speaker 3: a twenty one day ceasefire across the Israel Lebanon border
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Speaker 3: and reinstating calls for a ceasefire in Gaza.
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Speaker 11: We condemn Hebella's continued.
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Speaker 1: To attack on Israel.
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Speaker 11: What I do say again, Lebanese civilians cannot be made
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Speaker 11: to pay the price of Defeatinghbella. The global community has
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Speaker 11: made clear that this destructive cycle must stop. What has
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Speaker 11: happened in recent days only makes an immediate ceasefire in
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Speaker 11: Gaza even more urgent. You would have heard me say
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Speaker 11: this before, and I say it again. Lebanon cannot become
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Speaker 11: the next Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Look, this is just political weakness and moral equivalents. This
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Speaker 3: is indicative of the moral cowardice and strategic ambivalence of
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Speaker 3: the international community. Any diplomatic deal that eases the pressure
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Speaker 3: on Hamas and Hezbalah that leaves their terrorists and weapons
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Speaker 3: stockpiles in place is not a real move towards peace,
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Speaker 3: but an extension of the war against Israel being orchestrated
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Speaker 3: by Iram through the Islamist extremist proxies. So where is
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Speaker 3: the pressure on Iran? Where is the commitment to protect
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Speaker 3: Israel and its citizens.
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Speaker 1: Look, there's a very simple and.
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Speaker 3: Brutally obvious equation for the people of southern Lebanon, and
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Speaker 3: all the blame for it lies with Hesbalah, and that
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Speaker 3: is that it will only be safe for the people
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Speaker 3: of southern Lebanon to return to their homes when it's
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Speaker 3: safe for the people of northern Israel to return to
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Speaker 3: their homes. And that can't happen with Hesbalah and its
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Speaker 3: weapons without them being cleared out. But instead of moral
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Speaker 3: clarity from countries like the US, UK and our own,
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Speaker 3: we get pathetic political posturing driven by protests, movements that
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Speaker 3: are so divorced from any sense of reality or ethical
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Speaker 3: understanding that they can fairly be described as insane greta tumburg.
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Speaker 12: In Palestine and all over the world, the fight against
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Speaker 12: colonialism and corporation's destruction of the planet are intrinsic humilities,
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Speaker 12: as israel Bomb's hospitals, homes and schools in Gaza. Chevron
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Speaker 12: supplies stand with energy and being Israel's genocide in Gaza
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Speaker 12: and Israeli apartheid is a climate justice.
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Speaker 3: Issue, corporations, climate change, genocide, colonialism. What hope do we
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Speaker 3: have when this is the level of debate and some politicians,
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Speaker 3: influential politicians take this warped nonsense seriously while they ignore
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Speaker 3: hostages still being held and ongoing missile barrages and terrorist
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Speaker 3: attacks against Israel. The moral weakness is everywhere. How about this?
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Speaker 3: From the UK? The producers of a documentary about the
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Speaker 3: horrific slaughter of hundreds of young Israelis by Hummas terrorists
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Speaker 3: at the Nova Music festre on October seventh have revealed
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Speaker 3: that in order to get their documentary run on the BBC,
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Speaker 3: they had to promise not to describe Hummus as a
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Speaker 3: terrorist organization. Unbelievable, Yet you hear this all the time
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Speaker 3: on our ABC too. They like to call these Islamist
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Speaker 3: extremist terrorists people who believe in a death cult and
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Speaker 3: slaughter babies and children and young girls. They like to
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Speaker 3: call them militants, which is a grotesque way of making
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Speaker 3: them sound legitimate.
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Speaker 1: Making them sound like freedom fighters.
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Speaker 3: It's factually incorrect and it's morally repugnant.
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Speaker 1: And just to follow up on that vision.
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Speaker 3: I brought you last night where protesters at a rally
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Speaker 3: for Lebanon on Tuesday night in Sydney were seen to
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Speaker 3: be wearing the symbol the flag of Hezbollah, the bloodthirsty
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Speaker 3: terrorist organization that is banned in many countries, including in Australia.
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Speaker 3: The Australian Federal Police have responded comprehensively to our query
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Speaker 3: about the legality of such displays, and they confirm that
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Speaker 3: it is an offense to publicly display a prohibited symbol
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Speaker 3: where specific thresholds are met, but those thresholds are quite specific.
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Speaker 3: The symbol has to be displayed where the conduct involves
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Speaker 3: spreading ideas of racial superiority or hatred, inciting others to offend,
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Speaker 3: advocating hatred, intimidating or using violence against people based on
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Speaker 3: their race, religion, or nationality, or it's likely to offend,
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Speaker 3: insult or intimidate people because of a defining character. Well,
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Speaker 3: I reckon publicly displaying the flag of Hesbalah, a terror
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Speaker 3: group committed to the elimination of Israel, meets that criteria.
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Speaker 3: It's up to the state and federal police on the
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Speaker 3: beat to enforce those laws. They have the legal power
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Speaker 3: to demand people remove those symbols. But as you know,
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Speaker 3: so far in Australia, the only arrests they've made and
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Speaker 3: the only symbols they've seized are a couple of supporters
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Speaker 3: of Israel and the Israeli flag. Our moral cowardice and
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Speaker 3: intellectual confusion is dangerous. For more on this, let me
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Speaker 3: bring in Alex Rivchin from the Executive Council of Australian Jury,
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Speaker 3: joining me life from Sydney.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Alex.
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Speaker 3: First up, let me get your thoughts on this combined
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Speaker 3: call from nations around the world.
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Speaker 1: Australia signed up, of course, but.
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Speaker 3: Importantly the EU and the US demanding a twenty one
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Speaker 3: day ceasefire across the Lebanese border. Is there any hope
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Speaker 3: that that could actually go into place? Surely Israel under
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Speaker 3: Benjamin Netanyahu at the moment is absolutely committed to getting
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Speaker 3: rid of as much of the Hesbala firepower as it can.
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Speaker 13: It's so easy to call for ceasefires, to call for
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Speaker 13: de escalation and come and talk about a cycle of violence,
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Speaker 13: but it takes a little bit of moral clarity, which
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Speaker 13: sadly is lacking in our world, to actually understand why
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Speaker 13: we are where we are and what's happening. And just
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Speaker 13: as the conflict with Gaza began with Hummas's invasion and
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Speaker 13: invasion by six thousand militants and civilians on October seven,
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Speaker 13: and we all know what ensued. This is why we
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Speaker 13: have a war there. And we hear calls for Humas
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Speaker 13: to be removed, for an era of peace to follow
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Speaker 13: once Humas is no longer a factor, no longer governing
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Speaker 13: in Gaza, but no one has been able to articulate
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Speaker 13: how that's going to happen without Israel taking them out
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Speaker 13: by force. Now, in Lebanon, you've got a situation where
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Speaker 13: on October eight, in solidarity with Hummas, Hezbla began firing rockets,
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Speaker 13: sending weaponized drones, planning its own infiltration of the border
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Speaker 13: for no reason whatsoever. There's no provocation, there's no occupation,
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Speaker 13: there's no territorial dispute between Israel and Lebanon. So again
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Speaker 13: we need to have clarity from our government to say
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Speaker 13: the cause of this conflict, the cause of this escalation
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Speaker 13: in Israel's north is Hezbilla's willingness to fight, its desire
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Speaker 13: to destroy Israel, and the only way we can de
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Speaker 13: escalate is by calling on them to lay down their arms,
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Speaker 13: withdraw their fighting forces from the south of their country
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Speaker 13: where under international law they have no right to be,
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Speaker 13: and that's when you will have a de escalation. But
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Speaker 13: this talk about moral equivalences in cycle of violence, it
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Speaker 13: plays into their hands.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 3: It is just so strategically mindless as well, because we
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Speaker 3: all know that to get Hezbala to demilitarize that area,
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Speaker 3: you need to get in Iran involved. You need to
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Speaker 3: get a commitment from Iran and the Lebanese government and
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Speaker 3: hez Balah to.
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Speaker 1: Get all of their weaponry out of that area. Yet
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Speaker 1: there's no mention of Iran from these countries.
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Speaker 13: The disappointing thing is that our government and governments around
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Speaker 13: the world they know this. They are well briefed. They
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Speaker 13: understand in the farious hand that Iran plays in the region.
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Speaker 13: They know that Iran controls its proxies, whether it's the
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Speaker 13: Hoodies firing drones into Tel Aviv and hijacking international shipping.
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Speaker 13: Hummus carried out their attacks with the coordination and planning
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Speaker 13: of the IIGC HESBLA acts wholly at this instructions of
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Speaker 13: the Rane region.
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Speaker 1: We all know this.
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Speaker 13: Governments know this, and yet they don't have them all fired,
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Speaker 13: but they don't have the strength of character to call
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Speaker 13: it out, to denounce Iran and to denounce its proxies. Instead,
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Speaker 13: they enter into these equivalences. They put more blame on Israel,
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Speaker 13: and again this only plays into the hands of the militants.
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Speaker 13: They look at this and say, the international pressure will
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Speaker 13: be on Israel and we can continue.
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Speaker 3: I see exactly what they want, exactly what they want.
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Speaker 1: Just very briefly, I've got to get your thoughts on the.
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Speaker 3: Fact that we have seen people bundled away from protests
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Speaker 3: because they've displayed the Israeli flag.
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Speaker 1: Yet now we have the flag of Hezbalah flown.
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Speaker 3: Or or worn on people's clothing at protests in Sydney
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Speaker 3: and nothing is done about it.
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Speaker 13: Well, like you said, this is a prescribed terist organization
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Speaker 13: in this country, not just it's Milton Wing, but the
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Speaker 13: entirety of the organizations. And there's no hierarchy of prescribed
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Speaker 13: terroist organizations. If you can't have people walking down the
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Speaker 13: street brandishing Isis flags, rail Kaieda flags. They shouldn't be
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Speaker 13: able to brandish. The humus Or has bluff flags. And
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Speaker 13: this is an organization that is engaged not only in
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Speaker 13: a hardest struggle against Israel, it has targeted Jewish civilian
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Speaker 13: infrastructure around the world, including Jewish centers. It engages in
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Speaker 13: money laundering, drug trafficking. Anyone that walks down the street
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Speaker 13: and supports this organization should be very closely looked up
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Speaker 13: by our police.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, thanks for joining us, Alex, I appreciate it. Alex
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Speaker 3: rich and there Executive Counsel of Australian Jury and he's
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Speaker 3: so right. The police need to be speaking with those
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Speaker 3: people and keeping an eye on them.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: I want to go down to Melbourne for a happier story.
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Speaker 3: And can you believe it's public holiday in Victoria tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: I'll be down there lapping it up myself. It's grand
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Speaker 3: final even despite no Victorian teams making it through to
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Speaker 3: the sit the public holidays on anyway, it's a new thing.
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Speaker 3: It's only been around Daniel Andrews brought it in. Business
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Speaker 3: groups aren't happy. They're saying small operators are going to
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Speaker 3: lose money regardless of.
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Speaker 1: Whether they open their doors or not.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Paul Grewer from the Victorian Chamber
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Speaker 3: of Commerce and Industry. He's the chief executive, joining me
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Speaker 3: live from Melbourne. Thanks for joining us, Paul. Look I'm
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Speaker 3: heading down there. I'm so excited about my Grand Final
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Speaker 3: weekend in Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Now, I haven't been to the Grand Final Parade for
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Speaker 1: many years, but.
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Speaker 3: Back in the day it was a normal working day.
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Speaker 3: There's so many million people in the city. Anyways, they
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Speaker 3: will pop out from work to join the parade and
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Speaker 3: whatever I imagine tomorrow with a public holiday and Sydney and
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Speaker 3: Brisbane playing the Grand Final parade might be a little
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Speaker 3: bit sparse, mindn' it?
21:54
Speaker 14: It Good afternoon, Chris, glad you're coming down for it.
21:57
Speaker 14: One thing's for certain, Melbourneians in into states come out
22:00
Speaker 14: for a Grand Final. So the Grand Final Parade, the
22:03
Speaker 14: weather's looking pretty good, that'll be full. But where do
22:05
Speaker 14: people go afterwards? And this is the issue that businesses
22:09
Speaker 14: are having to confront tomorrow. We love welcoming visitors into Melbourne,
22:12
Speaker 14: but they're going to come into a relatively empty Melbourne
22:15
Speaker 14: CBD because there'll be no workers in there. And then
22:18
Speaker 14: those restaurants and cafes and pubs that choose to open
22:21
Speaker 14: are going to be paying extra to their staff to
22:23
Speaker 14: stay open. So it's a really challenging environment for the
22:26
Speaker 14: businesses that do choose to open.
22:28
Speaker 3: Yes, not just everything shut, as you say, it's the
22:30
Speaker 3: additional wages bill on everything that's open.
22:32
Speaker 1: It's just a dumb idea.
22:34
Speaker 3: It was thrown out there as a political sop by
22:36
Speaker 3: Daniel Andrews.
22:37
Speaker 1: Is there any serious move on in Victoria to get
22:39
Speaker 1: rid of it.
22:41
Speaker 14: Look, we'll keep pushing it. It's not the right day
22:44
Speaker 14: to have a public holiday.
22:45
Speaker 13: You know.
22:46
Speaker 14: We know Melbourne ins and into States love to celebrate
22:49
Speaker 14: the Grand Final. There's a whole bunch of events that
22:51
Speaker 14: are going to occur tomorrow. Sadly, people are going to
22:54
Speaker 14: take a day off and may not go to those events.
22:57
Speaker 14: But as I said earlier, it's going to cost extra
22:59
Speaker 14: to run those events. There is some upside to it, Chris,
23:02
Speaker 14: and that is with the extra day, some people will
23:05
Speaker 14: take the opportunity to get out of Melbourne and get
23:07
Speaker 14: into regional Victoria. So some of the regions will get
23:09
Speaker 14: a boost. But look, it's time to reverse the public holiday,
23:13
Speaker 14: or if we have to have it, put it on Monday.
23:16
Speaker 3: Don't have it tomorrow, Nack, you don't have it on Monday,
23:19
Speaker 3: Monday public holiday.
23:20
Speaker 1: Just get rid of it. Maybe you've got too many.
23:22
Speaker 1: You've got the Melbourne Cup coming up.
23:24
Speaker 3: Anyway, Thanks for talking to us, Paul appreciated, Paul Guera.
23:27
Speaker 3: They're from the Victorian Chamber of Commerce and Industry. I'll
23:30
Speaker 3: be down there in Melbourne tomorrow and more importantly on Saturday.
23:33
Speaker 1: Can't wake.
23:34
Speaker 3: But it seems like a ridiculous public holiday they have,
23:36
Speaker 3: and I know a lot.
23:37
Speaker 1: Of Victorians agree with me.
23:39
Speaker 3: Now, next up, after the break, I'll catch up with
23:41
Speaker 3: Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson, both proud, proud residents of
23:45
Speaker 3: Victoria as it is, and they're going to talk about
23:47
Speaker 3: the ABC warning about fake news that I've just talked about,
23:50
Speaker 3: and also Joe Biden struggling to remember where.
23:54
Speaker 1: Exactly he is and yes he is still the president.
24:02
Speaker 3: Let me give you a bit of an update on
24:03
Speaker 3: a very active octogenarian I introduced you to back in March.
24:07
Speaker 3: Frank Sebastian is an eighty one year old, the same
24:10
Speaker 3: age as Joe Biden, and he's not letting the grass
24:13
Speaker 3: grow under his feet. You'll remember Frank's being hailed as
24:16
Speaker 3: the world's oldest male model. He gets to the gym
24:19
Speaker 3: three times a week, and he has a hit a
24:21
Speaker 3: tennis three times a week as well.
24:23
Speaker 1: And it doesn't stop there.
24:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, he fires up his Harley Davidson and apart from
24:38
Speaker 3: weekend rides, Frank also joins younger mates on motorcycle tours
24:42
Speaker 3: into state.
24:43
Speaker 1: And then there's his music, Lovers in the Air, every
24:49
Speaker 1: shake from every sound.
24:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, Frank, who fronted a local Adelaide band Insect, back
24:57
Speaker 3: in the sixties and seventies, still pumps out at you
25:00
Speaker 3: and for charity functions, which brings me to the update.
25:04
Speaker 3: Partly prompted by that story we did with Frank back
25:07
Speaker 3: in March, he's gone back into the recording studio and
25:11
Speaker 3: recorded a.
25:12
Speaker 1: Version of that great John Paul Young hit Love Us
25:16
Speaker 1: in the Air, A little whisper of the trees, Love
25:23
Speaker 1: Us in the Air, in your thunder of.
25:31
Speaker 3: And you'll know where Budge's streaming, doll know with bad
25:36
Speaker 3: feeling scene.
25:38
Speaker 15: That is something that I must leading.
25:42
Speaker 1: It's there when I call out.
25:44
Speaker 3: Janine, Yeah, there it is Frank Sebastian Lovers in the
25:50
Speaker 3: Air studio recording complete with film clip. You cannot keep
25:54
Speaker 3: this bloke down at eighty one. It's just fantastic to
25:58
Speaker 3: see and at least once out of stret Alien FM
26:00
Speaker 3: station has added this song to their playlist.
26:03
Speaker 1: Already, go Frank.
26:08
Speaker 3: Let's bring in Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson. Now they'll
26:12
Speaker 3: still be singing tunes and making cartoons at eighty one,
26:16
Speaker 3: for sure, no doubt.
26:17
Speaker 1: It's fantastic to see.
26:19
Speaker 3: People getting on with their lives at eighty one, fit
26:21
Speaker 3: and healthy.
26:22
Speaker 1: Tim.
26:22
Speaker 3: It's a bit of a contrast to the Leader of
26:25
Speaker 3: the Free World at the moment.
26:27
Speaker 16: Yes, that would be a hell of a duet, wouldn't
26:29
Speaker 16: it if Adelaide's Adelaide's Songs to the Stars was a
26:34
Speaker 16: team up with Joe Biden, because I think I think
26:37
Speaker 16: only one of them would need Q cards.
26:40
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
26:41
Speaker 3: Now, Mark, tell us about tell Us about the Grand Final,
26:45
Speaker 3: tell Us about what's happening in Melbourne. Is everybody excited
26:47
Speaker 3: about the Grand Final weekend? Or they ignoring it because
26:51
Speaker 3: there isn't a Victorian team minute and they're all just
26:53
Speaker 3: going to take a three day long weekend.
26:57
Speaker 17: It's a day of morning, Chris, It's a day of
26:58
Speaker 17: morning for what was the Grand final for us here
27:01
Speaker 17: in Victoria.
27:02
Speaker 1: It's not good to say. It's not good at all.
27:03
Speaker 17: And I'm glad you actually covered that before about the
27:06
Speaker 17: public holiday. Is someone myself that runs a business on
27:08
Speaker 17: a public holiday who satire doesn't slave Chris.
27:11
Speaker 1: We've got to keep going with it. You know, we
27:13
Speaker 1: don't get the day off. It's just going to cost.
27:16
Speaker 17: Me more to have everyone jokes even from home.
27:23
Speaker 3: Cost per Yeah, the read to cover that, Yeah, I
27:28
Speaker 3: had to cover it. I had to do a bit
27:30
Speaker 3: of Melbourne bashing before I hit down there and get
27:32
Speaker 3: right into the Melbourne spirit tomorrow. Now we've got to
27:34
Speaker 3: talk about cranky cranky albow. We've showed a bit of
27:37
Speaker 3: this already, but here's Elbow on the sky with Pete
27:39
Speaker 3: Stephanovick this morning.
27:42
Speaker 2: You lie, you were doing that.
27:44
Speaker 1: Guess what, Pete?
27:45
Speaker 4: Well, well, if I did so, I plead to Dunton
27:47
Speaker 4: because they voted for it.
27:48
Speaker 2: Okay, so voted for it, but might you be lying again?
27:51
Speaker 1: They voted.
27:53
Speaker 8: No.
27:54
Speaker 4: And I don't accept the premise of your question, Peter.
27:58
Speaker 4: What happened, very clear, Earl, was that there was a
28:01
Speaker 4: massive change in circumstances.
28:05
Speaker 3: Very prime Ministerial Tim isn't it. You know, Well, if
28:07
Speaker 3: I'm a liar, he's a liar too. Oh my god,
28:09
Speaker 3: he's he's getting a bit rattled.
28:12
Speaker 16: It's not exactly an elevated dish cause, but I worked
28:18
Speaker 16: point out though that I think quite a few people
28:20
Speaker 16: have noticed that at the Albodies he is now repeating
28:24
Speaker 16: the line from the stage fee tax cuts that you know,
28:26
Speaker 16: that's not our plan, which apparently these days means once
28:30
Speaker 16: you decode it, it means what does everyone else think
28:32
Speaker 16: can be okay with this? So can we change our
28:34
Speaker 16: minds without everyone you know coming down? And there's like
28:36
Speaker 16: a ton of bricks. So he's now in the in
28:39
Speaker 16: the in the in the in the planned stage of planning,
28:42
Speaker 16: like and we'll see how this unfolds review. But once
28:45
Speaker 16: he's saying it's the plan, I mean, I think it's
28:47
Speaker 16: odds on. It looks like the changes he's talking about
28:50
Speaker 16: the things that cost Labor the election in twenty nineteen.
28:54
Speaker 16: You'd have to say their odds on.
28:55
Speaker 17: Now.
28:55
Speaker 3: Well, I suppose the other interpretation, mark is that Albo
28:58
Speaker 3: doesn't really know what's going on because Jim Charmers hadn't
29:01
Speaker 3: told him.
29:03
Speaker 17: Well, that's right, mate, you saw him looking down at
29:05
Speaker 17: his notes the whole time. When when he was on
29:08
Speaker 17: that interview with Pedro and when he was on with
29:10
Speaker 17: the Today Show as well, he didn't even know his
29:12
Speaker 17: own numbers.
29:12
Speaker 1: So he barely has a grip on this.
29:14
Speaker 17: But yeah, you expect when you're going in for an
29:16
Speaker 17: interview with Pete Stepanoviy that it might be at a
29:19
Speaker 17: little back and forth.
29:20
Speaker 1: But he had a couple of friendly ones.
29:21
Speaker 17: He had the ABC last week, he had the Today
29:24
Speaker 17: Show as well this morning. I think he got out
29:26
Speaker 17: of the wrong side of his little race car bed
29:27
Speaker 17: this morning. Something must have gone on. You're right, he's rattled,
29:32
Speaker 17: he's tense. He's got something going on. I reckon. I'll
29:35
Speaker 17: tell you what, Prime Minister. You obviously need a bit
29:37
Speaker 17: of relief. I'll share you with Tai Masha. Get him touch.
29:40
Speaker 1: It's on me.
29:41
Speaker 17: It's a custom living crisis.
29:44
Speaker 1: Calm down, it's good for the country.
29:48
Speaker 3: Speaking about good for the country. Kim Williams the new
29:51
Speaker 3: chair of the ABC. He's railing against fake news, which
29:55
Speaker 3: is going to win him a lot of friends at
29:57
Speaker 3: the ABC, I don't think. But there's another piece of
30:00
Speaker 3: his speech that was there was pointed out to me
30:03
Speaker 3: by a very very switched on observer. Let's get your
30:06
Speaker 3: thoughts on this.
30:07
Speaker 18: Have a lot many of our younger journalists have a
30:14
Speaker 18: much more activist view of the role of journalism and
30:17
Speaker 18: a much more policy prosecutorial approach to their journalism.
30:26
Speaker 19: Yeah, so the activists and the political biases, all the
30:30
Speaker 19: young journos, Tim apparently, the law of Tingles and the
30:33
Speaker 19: fran Kellys and this lot, they are all the beacons
30:36
Speaker 19: of objectivity.
30:39
Speaker 16: I remember there was an especially youthful check called Jonathan Greene.
30:42
Speaker 16: I think that was a few times, a guy from
30:46
Speaker 16: Radio National that again the Radio National, the Triple j
30:49
Speaker 16: of twenty twenty four, and I remember him being sucked
30:52
Speaker 16: in years ago by people. Should look this up on Google,
30:56
Speaker 16: the a Leen Compostor scandal. He's paid. The easiest way
31:00
Speaker 16: to trick some of the AVC to publishing something that's
31:02
Speaker 16: wrong is to give them something that they feel is right,
31:06
Speaker 16: and that's what happened in the Alien Compostor disgrace. Very
31:09
Speaker 16: very funny episode. But yeah, the ABC often runs stuff
31:12
Speaker 16: we've seen with its coverage of military scheddles, especially going
31:16
Speaker 16: right back to when the ABC alleged that Australian navy
31:20
Speaker 16: men were holding asylum seekers hands to red hot exhaust
31:24
Speaker 16: pipes on Australian Navy vessels. Tell them what they want
31:28
Speaker 16: to want to hear, and they'll run it every time.
31:30
Speaker 3: There's so much fake new. Yeah, that's another one. I've
31:32
Speaker 3: forgotten about that story absolutely. And this is the thing, Mark,
31:36
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, if you're a young journal at
31:37
Speaker 3: the a VC, you'd be pretty dark about that interpretation
31:40
Speaker 3: because it is the older journals who have led the
31:43
Speaker 3: way on all of this political bias and political campaigning.
31:48
Speaker 1: And they're still doing it.
31:49
Speaker 17: Well that's right where yeah, one hundred percent right, and
31:52
Speaker 17: they are you're seeing it when yeah, they're spreading their
31:54
Speaker 17: ideology outside of what outside the confines of their jobs.
31:59
Speaker 17: So they're saying a terrible example, He's partly right. The
32:02
Speaker 17: whole joints filled with activists. That's what it is like,
32:05
Speaker 17: you know, Kim Williams, it's a really nice phrase. Actually,
32:08
Speaker 17: it's a it's all wretch and no vomit. Unfortunately, he
32:11
Speaker 17: came in there saying that he was going to clean
32:12
Speaker 17: it up. But it's always the same. It's more fake
32:15
Speaker 17: news and more hypocrisy from him. He's sitting in a
32:18
Speaker 17: He's sitting in a bathtub. It's filthy water. He's trying
32:22
Speaker 17: to clean it from the top down.
32:23
Speaker 1: It's not going to work. He's just going to pull
32:25
Speaker 1: the plug.
32:26
Speaker 3: I've not I've not heard that expression before. It is
32:29
Speaker 3: it's particularly and particularly colorful, and try and move on
32:34
Speaker 3: for it speaking about it, speaking.
32:37
Speaker 1: About young activists.
32:39
Speaker 3: This this this clip I'm about to show you covers
32:42
Speaker 3: some very serious.
32:43
Speaker 1: Topics, but it is just so mad as to be laughable.
32:47
Speaker 12: Have a look in Palestine and all over the world,
32:51
Speaker 12: the fight against colonialism and corporation's destruction of the planet
32:55
Speaker 12: are entreated communities as Israel bomb's hospitals, homes and schools
33:00
Speaker 12: in Gaza, Chevron supplies than with energy and being Israel's
33:04
Speaker 12: genocide in Gaza, and Israeli apartheid is a climate justice issue.
33:09
Speaker 1: As I said before, it is literally insane. It's that absurd.
33:13
Speaker 3: Tend to be talking about colonialism and genocide and climate
33:17
Speaker 3: change and corporatism all wrapped into one.
33:20
Speaker 1: But what scares me about it this is exactly.
33:22
Speaker 3: The sort of mumbo jumbo we're getting a university protests
33:26
Speaker 3: and then reflected by leftist politicians in the debate and
33:29
Speaker 3: that's actually driving some of our weaker governments to be
33:32
Speaker 3: so pathetic on this issue.
33:35
Speaker 16: Absolutely, and where's the thanks? Now, Israel goes to the
33:39
Speaker 16: trouble of not bombing a bunch of Hezbala lunatics, not
33:44
Speaker 16: raining bombs indiscruinately, instead taking that with very climate friendly,
33:48
Speaker 16: very minimally disruptive pages. I would have thought that'd be
33:53
Speaker 16: worth it with a tick in Guida's book, because you know,
33:56
Speaker 16: not only are they using tiny, little heavy explosives. None
34:00
Speaker 16: of those hippolo guys are driving cars anymore, are they.
34:02
Speaker 1: They're not.
34:03
Speaker 3: They're not at all, and they're certainly not answering their phones.
34:06
Speaker 3: Now let's go to the US.
34:08
Speaker 20: Mark.
34:08
Speaker 1: I've got to get your thoughts on this, because we
34:10
Speaker 1: do like to.
34:11
Speaker 3: We like, do you like to sort of challenge ourselves
34:14
Speaker 3: every now and then with some words of wisdom from
34:16
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, because I think the insights are worth sharing
34:20
Speaker 3: with everybody as often as we can.
34:22
Speaker 1: Here's the latest.
34:24
Speaker 15: Let it always inspire us.
34:27
Speaker 1: Let it always be the source of.
34:29
Speaker 15: Our optimism, which is that spirit that is so uniquely American.
34:36
Speaker 15: And let that then inspire us by helping us to
34:41
Speaker 15: be inspired to solve the problems.
34:44
Speaker 3: I'm inspired to be inspired, and I'm finding it quite inspiring.
34:49
Speaker 1: Is that all vomited with no wretch?
34:54
Speaker 17: It's similar, it is, it's actually it's all retch, no
34:56
Speaker 17: vomit as well.
34:57
Speaker 1: We know she doesn't know what she's doing.
34:58
Speaker 17: She's just you can tell when she's gone off script,
35:01
Speaker 17: actually because you could normally she's not looking at the
35:03
Speaker 17: teleprompters left and right. She's looking around, searching for any
35:07
Speaker 17: other word that came from the focus group. She was
35:10
Speaker 17: for inspiration, the focus group that she's at in. She's
35:13
Speaker 17: searching for inspiration or dreams or an ambition, or America
35:16
Speaker 17: or something unburdened, whatever it might be.
35:19
Speaker 3: All right, well, do you think she's pretty bad bad?
35:22
Speaker 3: Let's have a check in on the guy who's currently
35:25
Speaker 3: in the job.
35:27
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Welcome to Washington.
35:33
Speaker 3: All right, now, that is the serving president Joe Biden.
35:36
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, Welcome to Washington. I want to
35:39
Speaker 3: show it to you again now and look below him.
35:42
Speaker 3: There's a sign saying.
35:42
Speaker 1: Where he is, thank you, thank you, Welcome to Washington.
35:51
Speaker 3: Washington in New York City, Tim, maybe he was up
35:55
Speaker 3: in Washington Heights.
35:57
Speaker 16: Bit of a clue there. On the stage. I mean,
35:59
Speaker 16: he should have had those words in front of him.
36:00
Speaker 16: Maybe that was a mistake for the organizers. That's the
36:04
Speaker 16: sort of you know, large print volumes that probably the
36:08
Speaker 16: last book you read seventeen years ago had that sort
36:11
Speaker 16: of large print sort of so we can get through it.
36:13
Speaker 16: But I just added to what Mark was saying before.
36:15
Speaker 16: When Kamala Harris's way wandering around in her eyes are
36:18
Speaker 16: rolling back, what she's looking for is a full stop.
36:23
Speaker 1: Someone's got to find it. Thanks for joining us, guys,
36:26
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Have a great weekend. Tim Blair and Martin Nicholson.
36:30
Speaker 1: You can see Martin.
36:31
Speaker 3: Nikaus and the stuff with the please explain cartoons and
36:33
Speaker 3: read Tim Blair in the Daily Telegraph.
36:35
Speaker 1: We've got to take a break.
36:36
Speaker 3: On the other side of that, we're going to talk
36:37
Speaker 3: about the PM again deflecting responsibility. Plus a liberal employee
36:41
Speaker 3: Zoe McKenzie on the tills and it tis now over
36:44
Speaker 3: Labour's latest coal mine extensions. Labor does something decent and
36:49
Speaker 3: the tills hate it. As I mentioned at the top
36:56
Speaker 3: of the show, labors in a shambles. Treasurer Jim Charmers
36:59
Speaker 3: floated negative gearing and capital gains tax changes as a
37:02
Speaker 3: thought bibble, and then he nicked off overseas, leaving the
37:05
Speaker 3: Prime Minister struggling to explain exactly what's going on.
37:09
Speaker 4: Well, we have no plans to touch it or change
37:12
Speaker 4: negative gearing. What we're concerned about is supply of housing,
37:16
Speaker 4: and this I'm not convinced it will make any difference
37:21
Speaker 4: that's positive when it comes to supply.
37:24
Speaker 3: Clearest mud, what's going on. Let's get some reaction from
37:26
Speaker 3: the housing industry. Tim Reardon is with the Housing Industry Association,
37:30
Speaker 3: is the chief Economisy joins me from Brisbane. Thanks for
37:34
Speaker 3: joining us, Tim, Look, why would labor let this run
37:38
Speaker 3: for a day or two and then say this wouldn't
37:41
Speaker 3: actually increase supply. I mean, anybody knows anything about this
37:45
Speaker 3: knows that that's the case. It seems having run with
37:48
Speaker 3: a couple of elections, run with a policy on this
37:51
Speaker 3: to a couple of elections, Labor can't leave it alone.
37:54
Speaker 3: They seem to think there's something desperately unfair about the
37:57
Speaker 3: current system.
38:00
Speaker 21: Look, perhaps I should take a little responsibility there myself.
38:04
Speaker 21: We certainly spend the best part of twenty nineteen educating
38:07
Speaker 21: the general electorate that if you increase the taxes on housing,
38:11
Speaker 21: you will get viewer homes. Put a tax on carbon,
38:13
Speaker 21: you get less carbon. If you tax it, you get
38:16
Speaker 21: less of it. And it's true of housing as well. Unfortunately,
38:20
Speaker 21: we took our foot off the pedal for the last
38:22
Speaker 21: couple of years and we're reliant on the government in
38:25
Speaker 21: educating the general public around that topic. And I suspect
38:28
Speaker 21: that what they're hoping to do is to gain some
38:31
Speaker 21: access to some Treasury advice which will be consistent with
38:34
Speaker 21: all previous Treasury advice, the advice from the Reserve Bank,
38:37
Speaker 21: the advice from the Productivity Commission, which is don't increase
38:40
Speaker 21: the taxes on housing until you address supply. And there
38:45
Speaker 21: is this very bizarre logic that somehow by increasing the
38:49
Speaker 21: taxes on investors that you will allow first home buyers
38:53
Speaker 21: into the market. And the way to slow investment activity
38:56
Speaker 21: down in the housing market is to increase supply down
39:00
Speaker 21: to rental price growth, slow down house price growth and
39:03
Speaker 21: supply investors out of the market, get them to go
39:06
Speaker 21: back to the share market. That would lead to the
39:08
Speaker 21: equity improvements that we'd like to see, where we have
39:11
Speaker 21: enough homes for every Australian to reside in This.
39:14
Speaker 3: Seems to be driven by the old politics of envy
39:16
Speaker 3: and driven by the sort of a green left agenda,
39:19
Speaker 3: saying that because of housing affordability, they.
39:21
Speaker 1: Hate the idea that someone might own more than one house.
39:24
Speaker 3: But of course those who need to rent and want
39:27
Speaker 3: are rent at affordable prices need to have people investing
39:31
Speaker 3: in property. So it just seems like a monumental distraction.
39:34
Speaker 3: Surely the game here for governments. I know there's some
39:37
Speaker 3: government schemes to help people take out some equity and
39:40
Speaker 3: help people get into the market.
39:42
Speaker 1: But surely the real focus is.
39:44
Speaker 3: To get rid of government taxes and red tape that
39:48
Speaker 3: slows down and increases the expense of just about every
39:52
Speaker 3: real estate investment in the country.
39:54
Speaker 1: That's right.
39:55
Speaker 21: The cause of the problem here is that up to
39:57
Speaker 21: fifty percent of the cost of a new house and
39:59
Speaker 21: land packaging taxes, fees and charges. We have seen continuous
40:02
Speaker 21: increases in taxes and charges. Even over the past to
40:06
Speaker 21: twelve months. We've seen additional regulations coming in through the
40:09
Speaker 21: National Construction Code that increase the cost of new home building.
40:12
Speaker 21: And therefore we have to wait until established house prices
40:15
Speaker 21: rise to offset that increased construction cost before we see
40:19
Speaker 21: a recovery in new home building. If we go to
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Speaker 21: Victoria at the moment, we've seen an increase in taxes
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Speaker 21: on secondary properties and you can see in that market
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Speaker 21: right at the moment just that short term thing that
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Speaker 21: people are hopeful of, which is first home buyers at
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Speaker 21: the moment are able to access the market. There are
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Speaker 21: a number of investors that are exiting the market, but
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Speaker 21: unfortunately they're being replaced just as quickly with a different
40:42
Speaker 21: cohort of investments. Is a very large volume of investment
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Speaker 21: lending in the Victorian market at the moment and has
40:47
Speaker 21: kept prices down. But unfortunately the next cycle plays out
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Speaker 21: and that will be what we're seeing at the moment
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Speaker 21: is a growth in population and a very low level
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Speaker 21: of apartment construction and a very low level of new
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Speaker 21: home building. Investors aren't building you because of that market
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Speaker 21: uncertainty and the consequences of that. Aren't that in a
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Speaker 21: period of time, probably the middle of next year. Also
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Speaker 21: around about the same time, we may see a cut
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Speaker 21: to the cash Right then we see that extraordinary increase
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Speaker 21: in house prices, that extraordinary increase in rental prices, and
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Speaker 21: the problem gets worse.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so worry certain way out of this.
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Speaker 21: The problem is politicians intervening in the housing market. More
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Speaker 21: of it is not going to make this better.
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Speaker 20: Yep.
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Speaker 3: Well, so Tim, thanks for joining us. Tim Ridaneer from
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Speaker 3: the Housing Industry Association. I want to go down in
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Speaker 3: Melbourne now and catch up with Liberal MP Zoe Mackenzie.
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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Zoe. Look, just on the
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Speaker 1: politics of this.
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Speaker 3: We can talk the economics Uphill and down Dale and
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Speaker 3: it's so obvious you don't want to tax something that
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Speaker 3: you want to be more affordable. But the politics of this, you,
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Speaker 3: as a liberal MP to be licking your lips at
41:52
Speaker 3: having this argument with the labor in the lead up
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Speaker 3: to an election.
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Speaker 1: Again. I just can't believe that even raised the idea.
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Speaker 22: It is madness to do anything at this point in
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Speaker 22: time that would disincentivize supply. Right, we know that if
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Speaker 22: they bring in more taxes. I live in the state
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Speaker 22: of labor, taxes on land and on property, stamp duty
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Speaker 22: payments through the roof, land tax payments through the roof.
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Speaker 22: You've just had Tim read and I'm talking about the
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Speaker 22: effect is having here. We are probably thirty percent off
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Speaker 22: the topic terms of what the market had reached. But again,
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Speaker 22: particularly on the Peninsula, it goes from investor to investor.
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Speaker 22: No new supply is coming on. We used to build
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Speaker 22: two hundred and twenty ode thousand dollars twenty thousand houses
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Speaker 22: a year. Now it's about one hundred and sixty thousand.
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Speaker 22: And now Labour talks about a new tax that will
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Speaker 22: drive even more interest away away from Victoria in particular.
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Speaker 22: But no investment in new supply, which at this point
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Speaker 22: in time is madness. As Labour's bringing I think it's
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Speaker 22: what one point five million people into the country or
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Speaker 22: the one point seven over five years. A lot of
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Speaker 22: people and we've built.
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Speaker 1: It is madness.
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Speaker 3: Now I've got to get your thoughts on the tills
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Speaker 3: because Labor made a very unexceptional decision, a work like
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Speaker 3: decision you'd call some existing coal mines in the Hunter
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Speaker 3: Valley they need to expand to keep.
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Speaker 1: Up supply that it approve.
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Speaker 3: Those would have been a story if they didn't approve them,
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Speaker 3: because they're existing minds anyway.
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Speaker 1: But now the tills are very upset about this.
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Speaker 3: They're seeing in their comfortable seats they're leafy electorates, but
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Speaker 3: they effectively want to shut down our second most prosperous
43:20
Speaker 3: export industry.
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Speaker 22: It's extraordinary right. So look, we know that the tiers
43:24
Speaker 22: the cross Bench tend to vote with the Greens around
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Speaker 22: eighty percent of the time they're voting with the Greens.
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Speaker 22: They will on this as well, Chris, you and I
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Speaker 22: both know, having worked in foreign affairs and trade, the
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Speaker 22: Australia's export market in coal is one of our most
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Speaker 22: important markets across the board. We have some of the
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Speaker 22: best coal in the world. If you're not buying our coal,
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Speaker 22: you're buying it from Indonesia, from other countries that don't
43:46
Speaker 22: have the same standard coal and better emissions than you
43:49
Speaker 22: will find elsewhere. So you know, doing real disservice to
43:54
Speaker 22: a industry that matters terribly to us. At least Labour
43:57
Speaker 22: saw since this time, and as usual, the Teals are
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Speaker 22: saying not good enough.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, the Teal is just another shade of green. Thanks
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Speaker 3: for joining us, Zoe, I appreciate it. Zoe McKenzie there
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Speaker 3: the Liberal MP for Flinders in Victoria. We all get
44:10
Speaker 3: to break on the other side. I'm going to go
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Speaker 3: to the UK and catch up with Alexander Downer and talk.
44:14
Speaker 1: About how the UK Prime Minister.
44:16
Speaker 3: Earned himself the title free gear Kir as his honeymoon
44:20
Speaker 3: comes to crashing to an end only a couple of
44:22
Speaker 3: months after being elected. Now, I mentioned before that Australia
44:30
Speaker 3: has joined with the US, Japan, Germany, Italy, France, Saudi Arabia, Qatar,
44:37
Speaker 3: a bunch of other countries and the EU in calling
44:39
Speaker 3: for a twenty one day ceasefire across the Lebanon Israeli border.
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Speaker 1: Here's what Joe Biden had to say.
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Speaker 4: On it, statement for twenty one day ceasefire along he
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Speaker 4: is rarely Lovetese borders, able to generate significant support from Europe.
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Speaker 14: Well, yeah, what war now wide.
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Speaker 3: Tomorrow, Let's bring in former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer live
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Speaker 3: from London. Thanks for joining us again, Alexander. What is
45:16
Speaker 3: Australia doing signing up to this? It all sounds very lovely,
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Speaker 3: but isn't it very impractical given what Israel is trying
45:24
Speaker 3: to do in the here and now?
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Speaker 20: Well, Australia's diplomacy on this is all about the meaningless
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Speaker 20: of the national unity. We have just lost all of
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Speaker 20: the soft power we once had in the Middle East
45:40
Speaker 20: by playing domestic on Middle Eastern iss. The core issue
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Speaker 20: here is the resolution of the two thousand and six
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Speaker 20: war between Israel and Hezblah, there was a Security Council
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Speaker 20: Resolution Resolution seventeen oh one, which, amongst other things, of
45:58
Speaker 20: course required Israeli raw from Lebanon, which they did, but
46:02
Speaker 20: required Hesbelah to move all armaments out of the area.
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Speaker 20: It's sort of fifty to one hundred kilometer area between
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Speaker 20: the Latani River and the Israeli border.
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Speaker 1: They have divided that.
46:18
Speaker 20: They've totally ignored that they've installed rocket launching sites, including
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Speaker 20: in private houses, and been firing missiles and rockets into
46:28
Speaker 20: Israel on a constant basis. I mean, in the end,
46:32
Speaker 20: if you were the Israeli Prime minister, what would you
46:34
Speaker 20: say to the sixty three thousand people who've had to
46:37
Speaker 20: be evacuated from northern Israel that you weren't going to
46:40
Speaker 20: do anything about it, you were allowing the West to
46:43
Speaker 20: play domestic politics with their lives. No, you would go
46:47
Speaker 20: after people who were firing missiles at you, and you
46:51
Speaker 20: would divide the international community, which is in and of
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Speaker 20: itself as totally ignoring a Security Council resolution going back
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Speaker 20: to two thousand and six.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're calling for that to be and here too, now.
47:04
Speaker 3: But as you say, it's just been completely ignored and
47:07
Speaker 3: that's why we've had the.
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Speaker 1: Missile attacks and all the chaos that we're experiencing at
47:13
Speaker 1: the moment.
47:13
Speaker 3: I want to bring you back to UK politics because
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Speaker 3: we haven't touched on this year and it's fascinating.
47:19
Speaker 1: Here's a little explainer from ITV News.
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Speaker 7: Kirs Starmer arrived at Downing Street promising change, but now
47:29
Speaker 7: he's being described as the King of the freebies. There
47:33
Speaker 7: have been free clothes, free tickets and free football.
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Speaker 1: Since twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 7: Starmer has received gifts worth a total of one hundred
47:43
Speaker 7: and seven thousand, one hundred and forty five pounds. The
47:46
Speaker 7: biggest amount of any MP almost forty thousand, came from
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Speaker 7: a single donor, Lord Wahid Ali, sixteen thousand, two hundred
47:54
Speaker 7: for work clothing and three thousand, four hundred and eighty
47:58
Speaker 7: five for multiple pairs of glasses, and over twelve pounds
48:02
Speaker 7: from the FA Premier League Limited, four thousand of which
48:05
Speaker 7: paid for Vip Taylor Swift tickets at Wembley.
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Speaker 1: And this is extraordinary, Alexander.
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Speaker 3: This plugger hits up the Workers' Party and he's only
48:13
Speaker 3: been in Downing Street for about two months.
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Speaker 1: He seems to have just destroyed so much of his
48:17
Speaker 1: own credibility.
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Speaker 20: Well, he claimed when they were in opposition, the Labor
48:23
Speaker 20: Party generally claimed to be more moral with the Tories,
48:26
Speaker 20: that the Tories getting gifts from donors and so on,
48:30
Speaker 20: and they made a huge row out of this, was
48:33
Speaker 20: supported by substantial elements of the media. As it turns
48:37
Speaker 20: out they're doing the same thing, if not worse, and
48:41
Speaker 20: so it has blown a hole in Keir Starmer's support.
48:46
Speaker 20: So has indexing the heating allowance for pensioners, which has
48:51
Speaker 20: affected ten million pensioners.
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Speaker 1: So that has had a.
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Speaker 20: Very big effect as well on his standing.
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Speaker 3: While he's doing this, while hasn't been exposed for all
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Speaker 3: these gifts, he's been taking money effectively off ten million pensioners,
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Speaker 3: as you say. And just in the last twenty four
49:09
Speaker 3: hours another gift scandal or it turns out that he
49:11
Speaker 3: was put up in a flash residence in central London
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Speaker 3: during the election campaign.
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Speaker 20: Yes, and he's been using he was and he's been
49:21
Speaker 20: using this eighty million pound what's that thirty six million
49:25
Speaker 20: dollar apartment owned by Labor supporting billionaire. He's been using
49:31
Speaker 20: it over the last few years As it turns out,
49:34
Speaker 20: he was even recording addresses to the nation during the
49:38
Speaker 20: COVID crisis from their appartment.
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Speaker 1: Extraordinary guy.
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Speaker 20: The guy has I mean, he's done himself huge damage.
49:47
Speaker 20: He's now more unpopular than Rishi Sunak.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, that's incredible. Thanks Alexander, appreciated. Alexander down there
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Speaker 3: alive from London. If you have to lock down in London,
49:59
Speaker 3: may as well. We're in a Swish pad in central London.
50:02
Speaker 3: Even if you head up the workers' party. That's all
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Speaker 3: the time we got for you tonight. Thanks so much
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Speaker 3: for watching this week. I'll be back next Monday at five.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to have a great birthday weekend in the
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Speaker 3: Grand final city of Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Here's Peter Kredlin next