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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: More Evidence In The Execution of Jared Bridegan · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Body Dogs with Joseph Scott more the word shocking is
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  Speaker 1: used at nauseaum. I think in a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: cases that would cover intra crime and things that are
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  Speaker 1: breaking in the news relative to in my world in forensics.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a case I'd like to update you on
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  Speaker 1: today and it has to do with a young thirty
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  Speaker 1: three year old father who was trying to literally start
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  Speaker 1: his life over again with a new wife and a
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  Speaker 1: baby and completely destroyed this family. And it's the case
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  Speaker 1: of Jared Brdigan. And I think that it's important because
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  Speaker 1: we do have updates in this case. And so with
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  Speaker 1: that said, I think that it's important that we try
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  Speaker 1: to get into this and and understand what has happened
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  Speaker 1: since our initial recording of body bags involving his death.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Backs Dave.
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  Speaker 1: This case, I got to tell you it really hit
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  Speaker 1: home with me because divorce is painful anyway, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've had a blended family. You know, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking our school when I say you've had a
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  Speaker 1: blended family, right, and so you you have this dynamic
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  Speaker 1: that goes on. Life is tough enough otherwise. But when
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  Speaker 1: you have when you have a young father that is
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  Speaker 1: essentially executed, and I will use that term executed in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of road. He was killed in place. And
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  Speaker 1: the one bit of information that the police have released
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  Speaker 1: in this case relative to his injuries is that they
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  Speaker 1: were at close range. Now, what we do know is
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  Speaker 1: that it was close range and that there were multiple
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  Speaker 1: of them. As a matter of fact, not only have
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  Speaker 1: they talked about that there were multiple gunshot ones, but
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  Speaker 1: they have found multiple casings on the ground pretty much
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  Speaker 1: adjacent to his remains. They've been very non specific about
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  Speaker 1: the absolute anatomical location of these injuries. But he was
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  Speaker 1: essentially found deceased immediately outside of the car, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not like he ran some great distance. And right you
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  Speaker 1: were when you mentioned little Bexley in the back of
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  Speaker 1: the car, she was close enough that these shots rang
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  Speaker 1: out in her ears. She could actually hear them at
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  Speaker 1: that moment, Tom, and she also talked about her father
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  Speaker 1: going down, So you have to really wonder, as this
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  Speaker 1: goes to proximity, did she actually hear her father impact
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  Speaker 1: the ground in her own two year old little mind.
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  Speaker 1: Is that something that she has a memory of, remember
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  Speaker 1: she says boom, boom, daddy on the ground. So it's
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  Speaker 1: one thing to hear gunshot wounds, but to actually hear
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  Speaker 1: her say daddy on the ground. Does that mean that
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  Speaker 1: she heard him impact the ground or did she actually
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  Speaker 1: witness or maybe a combination of both him going down. Boy,
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  Speaker 1: how shocking this embrace was. Yeah, he was. This was
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  Speaker 1: truly set up, and we have had some things that
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  Speaker 1: have developed along the way.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny, you know, I just hear and googled it.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, you know what, I'm just gonna see what
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  Speaker 2: pops up when I when I googled today, you know
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  Speaker 2: where are we? And immediately there are so manyse stories
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  Speaker 2: that pop up because over time, police reports come out
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  Speaker 2: and things become public. You got your hands on the
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  Speaker 2: autopsy report, which, to be honest with you, Joe, I
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  Speaker 2: thought what can it show? And you were like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this shows a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The investigation into Brad again, you know, there wasn't arrest
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  Speaker 2: of a man named Henry Tennon, and they said at
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  Speaker 2: the time of his arrest that they, being the prosecutors,
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  Speaker 2: he did not act alone and all along the finger
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  Speaker 2: immediately was pointing back to his ex wife and her husband.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a blended mess, that's all I
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  Speaker 2: canna say.
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  Speaker 1: It really was. And boy talk about a sordid cast
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  Speaker 1: of characters. Yeah, you know, kind of this dynamic that
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  Speaker 1: you've got going on. And you know, look, when you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to establish a new life, you have a new
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  Speaker 1: family now because for whatever reason, you know, you've busted up, right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, in this case show it was really odd
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  Speaker 2: because in particular where the Mormon religion, yes, is it's
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  Speaker 2: a very involved religion with the family, and the church
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  Speaker 2: becomes a center of the family and everything that takes place.
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  Speaker 2: And Jared and his first wife were both raised in
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  Speaker 2: the Mormon church and were very active. When his first
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  Speaker 2: wife began to pull away from the Mormon religion, that's
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  Speaker 2: when it really began to get bad. That's when the
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  Speaker 2: divorce happened. She was allegedly having an affair and anyway,
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  Speaker 2: they really went different paths. He remained as a very
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  Speaker 2: devout Mormon, she did not. So that immediately put the
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  Speaker 2: divorce and children at I want to say, at risk
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  Speaker 2: for danger because that's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very acrimonious at that point in tom because
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  Speaker 1: that you know, beliefs, your spiritual beliefs, or a lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it truly is a lifestyle. It dictates and
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you're Mormon or Catholic or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're you're going to get down this road.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're living by the tenants of the church,
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  Speaker 1: if you've got one individual that's not not on board, boy,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's tough and so.
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  Speaker 2: Unequally the qual yoke.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I'm thinking when I heard about this
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  Speaker 1: case initially, it just it didn't sound right. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: we think I think that when we did the initial
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  Speaker 1: taping the first episode of of of Jared's case, we
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  Speaker 1: didn't really know a lot of the details relative to
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  Speaker 1: what was found at the scene, because you know, it
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  Speaker 1: had first come out that it was a tire sound
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  Speaker 1: in the road. Well, it's not simply a tire. It's
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  Speaker 1: a tire with a rim.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If you were told that he stopped the car, he
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  Speaker 2: had gone here's the lay of the land. Very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Jared brid again and his ex wife, they were sharing
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  Speaker 2: custody of their children, and they had an agreement that
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  Speaker 2: when the children were at Whoever's home for that week,
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  Speaker 2: the other parent on Wednesday night would come over and
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  Speaker 2: to join them for dinner to see the children mid
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  Speaker 2: week and they would sit at the table together and
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  Speaker 2: have dinner. And in this particular case, Jared Bride again
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  Speaker 2: went to see his children. They were staying with his
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  Speaker 2: ex wife and her husband that week, and he went
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  Speaker 2: there for dinner along with him his two year old daughter.
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  Speaker 2: Three year old daughter was with him with his current wife. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: And he gets up to leave to go home, good dinner,
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  Speaker 2: have a great night, levy kids. It's on his drive
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  Speaker 2: home where he sees a tire in the road, gets
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  Speaker 2: out to move it and gets ambushed, meaning he gets shot.
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  Speaker 2: Police respond to shots fired people calling it into the
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  Speaker 2: neighborhood and they arrive at the scene to find Jared
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  Speaker 2: Bride again shot to death in the middle of the
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  Speaker 2: road and his daughter crying in the back seat of
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  Speaker 2: the truck. That's the scene, re.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think one of the more poignant little
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  Speaker 1: links in the chain to this is that that precious
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  Speaker 1: little baby in that backseat of that pickup truck. She
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  Speaker 1: actually reported she was able to communicate to the investigators
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  Speaker 1: at that particular time that she heard the sound of
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  Speaker 1: the weapon the report of the weapon going off. And
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  Speaker 1: look this is and again I want to draw our
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  Speaker 1: attention back to this update and relative to let me
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  Speaker 1: just tell you real quick because I think it's it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of insightful what I found by taking a look
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  Speaker 1: at the autopsy report here, Dave. First off, an EMMY
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  Speaker 1: investigator did in fact attend the scene, and this individual
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  Speaker 1: reported that when the police arrived, they found Jared in
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  Speaker 1: a prone position, face down. Of course, when the the
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  Speaker 1: investigator showed up, you know, we're talking about the first
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  Speaker 1: police officers that arrived. So he's laying, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: a prone position, face down in the roadway. When the
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  Speaker 1: investigator got there, Jared's face up. And there's the reason
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  Speaker 1: for this is that the e mts have been working
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  Speaker 1: on him. And as a matter of fact, the autopsy
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  Speaker 1: report reveals that there were two defibrillator pads and their
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  Speaker 1: adherent It's not like you know the old days where
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  Speaker 1: you think about they're using the paddles where they're you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're holding the shots in their hands. Yeah, exactly, These
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  Speaker 1: are adherent on his body. So they did take what
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  Speaker 1: is commonly referred to as heroic measures. But here's here's
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  Speaker 1: the thing that was really striking. One of the comments
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  Speaker 1: that was made when this thing first came up, apparently,
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  Speaker 1: and this is through the EMMY Investigators report, they allude
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  Speaker 1: to this idea that when first observed, they thought this
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  Speaker 1: was a road rage incident. Really yeah, and again, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what are you going to think? What are you going
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  Speaker 1: to think? Because you know who in their wildest fantasies
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  Speaker 1: would think that first off, use term ambush. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's an excellent idea. And I've talked about this
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  Speaker 1: before actually with our friend Nancy Grace. This is what
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  Speaker 1: you call a choke point because whoever planned this out,
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  Speaker 1: the road kind of narrows up and there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of vegetation on either side, and it's wet. I mean
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about Florida. We're talking you know, in the
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville area, and so you don't have any way to
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  Speaker 1: get around an obstruction in the road. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: that Jerrie is a nice, nice man and a good citizen.
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  Speaker 1: He got out of the truck to remove not just
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  Speaker 1: it's not just a tire, just so we understand that
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  Speaker 1: it's a tire with a rim. And so if you
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  Speaker 1: run over a rim of a tire. He understood it,
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter how big your truck is, you're
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  Speaker 1: going to do damage to your vehicle. And so he
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  Speaker 1: recognized that got out of truck. So that goes to
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  Speaker 1: this idea of intent. So you know, that's what they
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  Speaker 1: observed at the scene with Jared. The EMMY investigator at
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  Speaker 1: the scene already recognized that he did in fact have
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  Speaker 1: trauma to his left shoulder, and it's later identified that
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  Speaker 1: you know, he sustained they I think they're saying a
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  Speaker 1: witness heard or a witness reported five gunshots. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: because sometimes you get these, you get these comments that
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  Speaker 1: come up relative to and people misremember things, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: we see this happen all the time. He did the
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  Speaker 1: same two gunshot wounds. We just don't know what order
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  Speaker 1: they were in. However, I can tell you this, they
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  Speaker 1: were both on the left side. So whoever shot him,
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  Speaker 1: when he gets out of the vehicle to move this
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  Speaker 1: tire out of the roadway, that's when po pop. You know,
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  Speaker 1: like this, you've got this this these two gsws that
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  Speaker 1: occur on the left aspect. So this individual is approaching
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  Speaker 1: him from that perspective. I think that they were just
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  Speaker 1: hidden off of the road. If I am not mistaken,
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  Speaker 1: this is another part of our update. We have someone
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  Speaker 1: that has pled guilty in this case, I think already,
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  Speaker 1: and this is probably going to be the trigger puller.
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  Speaker 2: Right when we left off, yeah, we had just had
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  Speaker 2: the arrest of Henry Tennon, and that's when they said
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  Speaker 2: at the press conference, we know Henry Tennon did not
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  Speaker 2: act alone. They were able to get Henry to talk
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  Speaker 2: negotiating a deal. You've pointed out before a couple of
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  Speaker 2: different times. The first one to get negotiate gets the
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  Speaker 2: best deal, yep. And that's what happened here. And later
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  Speaker 2: Mario Fernandez Saldana and Jared's first wife were both arrested,
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  Speaker 2: and in this particular case, Henry Tennan. Apparently, when they
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  Speaker 2: had enough evidence to go and talk to him, they
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  Speaker 2: went to his house where he was living, and they
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  Speaker 2: found a tire matching the tire that was in the road, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: and not just a little bit, not like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they look similar or whatever, down to the act, which
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know what all the numbers on atire meant.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, they mean everything about who. They actually
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  Speaker 2: can tell you that Joseph Scott Morgan licked his tuna
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  Speaker 2: sandwich right before this was pressed, you know, and they
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  Speaker 2: were able to pinpoint that that tire match up to
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  Speaker 2: the same batch that this tire was from, and it
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  Speaker 2: was just remarkable how they were able to pinpoint it
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  Speaker 2: down to Jerry Bridigan and his truck.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what we hope for as far as criminals,
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  Speaker 1: because criminals are never masterminds. Just to understand that. And
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  Speaker 1: so we've been hearing about this for many many months
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  Speaker 1: now that they have CCTV footage of this, and the
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  Speaker 1: footage that was released was kind of blurry. I really
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  Speaker 1: wonder as this investigation has progressed if they were able
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  Speaker 1: to kind of tighten down those images a little bit
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  Speaker 1: and maybe they had other views of this vehicle. Perhaps
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  Speaker 1: they sent clips that they had to another agency for
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  Speaker 1: them to kind of refine them so that they could
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  Speaker 1: use them better to identify this vehicle. What we do
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  Speaker 1: know is a specific make that we're looking for Ford
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  Speaker 1: F one fifty and that is going to lead back,
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  Speaker 1: I think, to a key piece of evidence in this case.
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  Speaker 1: And this goes back to the tire. People keep talking
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  Speaker 1: about the tire that was in the roadway that initially
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  Speaker 1: blocked Jared's progression down the road. And we have to
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  Speaker 1: keep in mind something here, and this is again a major,
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  Speaker 1: major bit of evidence. So the fact that it's not
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  Speaker 1: just a tire. You know, when we examine tires in forensics,
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  Speaker 1: we're not just looking at the tread, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: tread impressions that are left on the surface. It is
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  Speaker 1: that data that you can get off of the wall
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  Speaker 1: of the tire. And it's not just tire size. You
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  Speaker 1: can go back. Obviously there's going to be a manufacturer
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  Speaker 1: stamp on there that is going to brand the tire.
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  Speaker 1: And that's just the starting point.
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  Speaker 2: Topsy report, you mentioned that the tire wasn't just a
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  Speaker 2: rubber tire, it was actually mounted on a rim left
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  Speaker 2: in the road. Was the tire flat?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the tire's flat. And just so you understand, that's
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  Speaker 1: not mentioned in the autopsy report or that corner's report.
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  Speaker 1: That's something that I had in the party picked up on. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know you talked about batching, you know, when it
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  Speaker 1: rolls off the line, and so if you get two that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what are the odds and those are circumstantial
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  Speaker 1: components from an evidentiary standpoint. But they all directly point
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  Speaker 1: back to something else. And so when you have this
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  Speaker 1: evidence mounting, and as you said, this individual has rolled
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  Speaker 1: I like to say rolled over on the case. We
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  Speaker 1: know that he's going to be a state's witness and
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  Speaker 1: do the you know, the death penalties on the table here.
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  Speaker 2: I need to ask you a question, Joe, because you've
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  Speaker 2: as a death investigator and dealing with and lawyers and
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  Speaker 2: judges and courtrooms and everything else. You have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of experience at witnessing a lot of different activity of law.
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  Speaker 2: And I was wondering when they got Henry Tinnen. When
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  Speaker 2: investigators are looking at a case and they find somebody,
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  Speaker 2: I know, they always start from the closest and go out.
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  Speaker 2: And they knew in this particular case that Jared Bright
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  Speaker 2: again and his ex wife Shannon did not have a
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  Speaker 2: good relationship. That it was very murky at best in
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  Speaker 2: terms of how they dealt with one another. And as
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  Speaker 2: in many cases, nobody's innocent, everybody's I'm not accusing anyone
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  Speaker 2: of any wrongdoing, just saying that oftentimes it's not always
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  Speaker 2: one sided. Both individuals tend to do things because you
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  Speaker 2: just get pushed. And anyway, when Henry Tinnen was arrested.
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  Speaker 2: At first, he wasn't originally arrested for this crime. They
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  Speaker 2: knew based on he was renting a house from uh
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  Speaker 2: Mario Fernandez, married to Jered Bridegan's why ex wife. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: so they knew right away. Wait a minute, we got
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  Speaker 2: this connection. We got Henry tenon that he gets charged
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  Speaker 2: with possession of a weapon by a felon and driving
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  Speaker 2: with a suspended or revoked license, and that you know,
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  Speaker 2: the charge is totally unrelated to Jared Bridigan. Right from that,
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  Speaker 2: they get a tip. Now I don't know who the
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  Speaker 2: tip came from, but officers visited Henry's home, Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: found the tire in that moment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that occurs in many of these cases. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: this is my own personal you know, vernacular for this,
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  Speaker 1: but I call those placeholder charges because you know that
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  Speaker 1: something bigger is coming coming down a well, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of is. And you know, you have to
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  Speaker 1: have the prosecutor on board along with the police in
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  Speaker 1: order to roll the dice. Because look, if if you
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  Speaker 1: make any kind of mistake relative to this and you
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  Speaker 1: charge them with this lesser charge or you bring them
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  Speaker 1: in under the suspicion, suspicion of being involved in something else.
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  Speaker 1: You have tread very carefully because and whatever you do,
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  Speaker 1: you need to act swiftly. You don't want them to
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  Speaker 1: languish based on this lesser charge that might put future
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  Speaker 1: charges in jeopardy. So they had this, in my mind,
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  Speaker 1: looking from the outside, not knowing any inside information as
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  Speaker 1: to what was going on in private conversations, that sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing. But I've been around this long enough to
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  Speaker 1: know that they're contemplating this. And I got to tell you, Dave,
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  Speaker 1: they have affected two more arrest in this case, and
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  Speaker 1: this being the ex wife of Jared as well as
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  Speaker 1: her current host. And there is motivation here where you've
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  Speaker 1: got this pre premeditative factor that comes into this. And
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  Speaker 1: here's here's another part to this, uh you talk about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of the layering of charges. There's actually
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  Speaker 1: a child abuse charge that's in here as well, and
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  Speaker 1: that goes along with subjecting this poor baby to these
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  Speaker 1: events that night. And that's that's going to be something
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  Speaker 1: Whennesson goes to trial that we're going to watch because
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're not going to obviously put this baby
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  Speaker 1: on stand, but they have statement that comes that's uttered.
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  Speaker 1: It's an utterance from this child that the police have recorded,
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  Speaker 1: and that's going to go into the record, and you're
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  Speaker 1: going to have some police officer, potentially a detective or
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  Speaker 1: maybe even maybe even the initial patrol officer that showed
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  Speaker 1: up and there's like maybe what what what happened? And
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  Speaker 1: that will be in the written record, and that again
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  Speaker 1: is a very damning element to this. But again, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to keep our eye on this. I think that
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  Speaker 1: the fact that we have the autopsy report and that
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: we also have these other arrests that have been affected
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: is a big piece to this. And I can tell
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you this, these people are staring straight down the barrel
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: of capital punishment here because the elements are present, and
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: we know how to stay to Florida works Dave. So
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: they're going to have to show up very well prepared.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: They're going to have to have great counsel to make
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: their way through this because this case.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Is chilling to the bone.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: People oftentimes report hearing multiple shots, and in this case,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: we heard four to five shots reported and there are
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: two bullet wounds to Jared Bright. Again, not uncommon to
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: have people say I heard four shots and there was
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: only two.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: No, no, there's not, and that is not uncommon. However,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I think that if we reflect back, you know, you're
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: kind of you're kind of dancing back and forth the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: universal you not you, you Dave. But you begin to
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: think about, you know, what was in fact heard. And
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: keep in mind this is this is a residential area
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: or immediately adjacent. I know that I talked about how
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: narrow the road is, but this is going back into
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a pretty wealthy, you know area enclave. As people like
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to say. Whether it was four or five, it's unknown. However,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: we do know that four shell casings were recovered at
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the scene. I'm just wondering if these other projectiles were
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: shots that went wild, and you know, they're not necessarily
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: finishing wounds or finishing shots, they're just initial you know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: maybe it was the nerves of the person that was
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: actually pulling the trigger. Here, we don't know, but two
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: two found their way, you know, into Jared's body. The
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: first one that they're talking about is a penetrating gunshot
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: wound of the left shoulder and neck. So right, it's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: going to be at the base of the neck where
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the neck actually joins onto the shoulder, you know, or
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the origin of the neck, if you want to put
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: it in another term. And then there was also a
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: and that's a penetrating gunshot wound. And then we have
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: a perforating gunshot wound of the left shoulder, the neck,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: right shoulder, and right up our arms. So what that
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: means is this perforates all of those anatomical structures. It
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: passes through there. So let me just say that again
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the second wound, and this is not an order, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you know, the pathologists will say, I might call it
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: one and two, but that doesn't imply that this is
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: actually the order in which they were fired. They're just
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: observing these injuries. So you've got two separate wound tracks here.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: The first one is a penetrating gunshot wound of the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: left shoulder and neck, and there's no exit wound identified,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and they were able to actually recover the fragment of
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: the projectile, the core as they refer to it. The
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: second one is perforating. So the way they have this
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: wound tracking again is going to be from the left
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: aspect of Jared's body, okay, and we can be positioned
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: in any number of ways. So just because it's in
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the left of the left aspect. That doesn't mean that
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: it's a static event. Jared could have been moving around.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: It's just that the person that was shooting was to
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: his left, and it's hard to get an idea of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: spatial spatial orientation. We do know that there there's no
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: evidence of like soot deposition or anything like that. So
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: we're outside probably eighteen to thirty six inches, so you're
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: not going to have gunpowder landing on the body that
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: sort of thing. But this, the second wound, actually tracks
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: through multiple anatomical structures and it entered initially and the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: left shoulder neck, then passes through the right shoulder and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: right up or arm where you have this this exit
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and that goes to perforation. That's perforation versus penetration. Penetration.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: When we define that, that means that penetration enters, it
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't exit. Perforation means that it enters and then it's
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: going to exit. It doesn't necessarily mean that you're going
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to recover the projectile the scene, you know, because we're
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: talking about a densely wooded area and we don't have
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: that information. Did they go out there with the metal
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: detector looking for this, looking for this projectile. I don't know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: but in a case like Jared's, and I can because
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the the emy district in the state, the state of
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Florida is broken up into districts, district emmys. It's not
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: like a city or something like that. They have it
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: broken into a district. This particular district is jam up.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're a really good office and they
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: would have been very thorrough at autopsy. I can tell
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: you that there would have been X rays that were
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: performed on Jared's remains before doing the autopsy. The reason
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: you do that is you want to be able to
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: track the wound before you go in and kind of
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: open the body anatomically and do a gross examination that way.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And you're looking for when you have like a perforating
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: wound where it passes through the body, that projectile in
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: this case is hitting a lot of structures, Dave. And
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: so what does that mean? Well, they can lead to
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: fragmentations around and if you can and we call it
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a lead storm, which is kind of interesting to me.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I've heard that years years ago. A lead storm. Yeah,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: you look at it and you can see these radio
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: opaque little bodies that are tracking and you can almost
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: track the wound with those because if it's shearing off
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: along the way, you'll see these little dots, metallic dots
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: in the X ray. That's very powerful in court because
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: many times they don't want you to show autopsy photographs
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: because they claim that they're prejudicial because they're so over
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the top with a lot of blood and that sort
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: of thing. Not in this case, you can take an
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: X ray and put it up there. There's nothing necessarily
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: grotesque about it. You don't have blood and tissue and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: all that stuff. What you do have is these little
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: elements that the bullet is leaving behind as it is
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: tracking through this guy's body. And it's very powerful. As
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, more people can appreciate the anatomical orientation
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: with an X ray than they can, Like, if you're
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: looking at a body that's open on the table, you're
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: not used to seeing that, it's shocking to the senses,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and they'll, you know, the physicians will point out, well,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: we've got hemorrhage here and here and here and at all.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: When you're not used to seeing these things. As a
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: jury member, it all the same, you know. And it
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: took me years working in the more before I was
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: able to disseminate between these two. So if they have
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: these x rays, trust me, that's going to be presented
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: in court. The friends of pathologist is going to address
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that in court, and they're going to be able to
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: show these these little elements along the way. So they're
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: they're really I think in this case, they're prepped as
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: far as the physical evidence, this connectivity, this big piece
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: that you revealed about the reveal with the tire and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: how you can track that and what are the odds
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: that this is gonna you know, I know, And so look,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I've always held and I've always said this
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: about about perpetrators, it's merely a Hollywood device when you
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: have some master criminal. Uh. They do exist out there,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: but they are rare as hens teeth, as they say
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: most and thank goodness that that's the case, because most
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: people do not think these actions through.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Hollywood.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did perforated.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Bullet going through his skin coming out right.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: In Rambo three, Yeah, Sylvester Sloan has the gunshot wound
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: and it's he's got to gotta make it stop bleeding, right,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: and so he takes a little gunpowder and lights it
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: on fire and you see the fire go right through
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: from the front to the back, you know, and screams
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: in pain. But then a minute later he's doing whatever
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: gymnastics or whatever. But that that wouldn't actually serve any
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: real purpose, would it, I mean, would that help.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: That context what they're trying to do, what they're trying
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to display his quarterization remember that quarter a wound, Yeah,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and pouring gun And that's been done in a number
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: of movies years. You know, you're trying to quarterize those
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: in kind of serum so that you, uh, you block
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: off those little broken vessels along the way. But yeah,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: that's done a number of times in the movies and demonstrated.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know that it's ever been done in reality,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: but I can tell you with the injuries that Jared sustained,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: these were obviously catastrophic. The viscera that this would have
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: passed through and what I mean like the organs and
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: also the adjacent areas. When you begin to think about
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: all the vessels that passed through this area, it's it's
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: so bloody cast catastrophic in this in this context that
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: even if you had a team of surgeons there, Dave,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: it would be really hard to tie all these off
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: so that he could have survived these injuries. But I
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: do know this, Jared, though he is not with us,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: will soon have his day in court. I'm Joseph Scott
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Morgan and this is body Bags
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Mhm