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Lyn Woodward Is Cooler Than You. · That Car Show

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  It is a dream job. I mean, let's face it.
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  Today on that car show, it's our pal Lynn Woodward.
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  Lynn's the lead editor for content at Kelley Blue
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  But no matter the platform, Lynn's got a great presence and
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  a no nonsense approach that really puts her in a class of 1.
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  Be warned, this one clocks in at 2 hours, but I promise it's
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  worth listening to. The end.
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  And really, we were just getting going.
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  If you like what you hear, let your enthusiast friends know and
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  Everyone seems to have a car podcast these days and it's this
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  support that keeps independent show like ours going strong.
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  But back to the show. It's a fun one.
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  It's Lindsay, it's me, it's Lynn Woodward, and it's that car
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  show. Well, welcome back to this
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  week's episode of that car show. I'm Lindsay and I'm here with
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  Ryan and I'm so excited that we have my good friend Lynn
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  Woodward joining us tonight. Hi, Lynn.
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  Hi, Thanks so much for being on. Thank you guys for.
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  Having me. Yeah.
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  So for those who don't know, Lynn and I met a few years ago
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  actually on the set of Jay and Nicole Ryan's podcast, Late
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  Night Playset. Lynn was scheduled to be on and
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  I very spontaneously ended up joining her on the episode and
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  we had so much fun. And then we were at Goodwood
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  together later that year and we've been lucky to have lots of
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  fun adventures between then and now.
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  Lynn is currently the Lead Editor for Content at Kelley
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  Blue Book where she develops rights and is the on camera host
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  for their automotive video content and reviews.
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  She is also a prolific freelance writer and her work has appeared
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  in some small publications that you might have heard of
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  including The New York Times, Motor Trend, Haggerty Drivers
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  Club, Motor One Auto Week, and The Drive to name just a few.
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  And she is currently restoring a Porsche 912, which I have been
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  lucky enough to see a few times, and it's been an amazing journey
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  to follow. Lynn is hilarious.
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  She's genuine, she's authentic, and she is a true enthusiast.
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  And she's such a positive force in the Automotive World.
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  And I consider myself lucky to call her my friend.
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  And I'm so excited for our audience to get to know her
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  better. So thank you for coming on.
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  I'm going to just leave right now after that because I don't
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  want to ruin everything that you just said by actually talking.
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  Right. And thanks so much.
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  That's all we got this week. We'll see you next week.
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  No, thank you guys so much for having me.
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  Lindsay, it's so nice to see you.
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  I feel like it's been been a while since the holidays and
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  Ryan, it's really great to meet you.
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  And yeah, I always love new voices in the automotive
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  industry. It's really important and
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  everybody has such a great story and they're all different and so
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  it's really fun to come and share and hear other people.
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  So thanks for having me on. Yes, this is a long time coming.
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  And like you said, I feel it's been way too long since we've
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  seen each other in person. So this is a great way to hang
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  out when we're not in the same place.
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  But yeah, I think the last time. Was our our dinner at at Matzah
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  will at will never ever be recreated.
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  Not if you're. Like engaged.
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  We can't top it for sure. So we the first time we hung
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  out, just the two of us, we went to is it Pizza Mozza in LA,
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  which is a Nancy Silverton restaurant and we somehow
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  managed to be there when Nancy herself was actually there,
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  which we we were like, it's a sign from above.
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  Yes, exactly, we were. Eating food and we were like, Oh
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  my gosh, Nancy, Nancy's here. Like, like she even noticed us
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  or like we were like, we were just no starstruck.
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  We're like she's Oh my gosh, she's here, she's here, she's
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  here. Like act cool.
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  It was very cool and Dagger, we were both like a.
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  Piece of sauce on your face like stop.
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  It was amazing. That's awesome.
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  It's easier get your get it together.
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  Straighten up. Just both.
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  Houch at the bar. Come on, what's wrong with you
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  Really fast? We're in the presence of
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  culinary greatness here. Like, yeah, we definitely were.
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  Like, what do we do? And then, like you said, like
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  she doesn't know us. We don't have to do anything.
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  And look at us, I said. Just pay your bill and get out.
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  I got. You see this line?
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  Come on. Right.
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  Yeah. So no, that was hilarious.
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  But I think that was that dinner was so emblematic of, like, what
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  it's like to be your friend, Lynn, because you're so present.
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  And you commented later, you know, Hey, nobody.
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  Neither of us even thought to take out our phones to check
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  them, let alone take a picture. But I think that's one of the
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  things that makes you so special is you're so in the moment and
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  present and when you're with someone, you're really with
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  them. And that is, you know, I'm very
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  lucky to have experienced that. Thank you.
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  I do think in this day and age, I mean, we're so, I think we're
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  so bombarded by so many different things and in so many
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  different places. And then there's this.
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  And it's like, and you know, as someone who grew up without
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  that, I feel like I met a probably a quite a, an
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  advantage, I think to a lot of, you know, younger people who
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  like, that's how they're, they're just brains are wired so
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  differently than than ours were, or that mine certainly was
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  having grown up in the 70s and the 80s.
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  And, and I think I try and I listen, I'm just as addicted as
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  the next person. I've set the limits and I've got
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  the things and the like. It's like, but you know, I think
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  it, the, the older I get, the more important it feels to
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  really make really the sincere connections with people and to
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  get off of the phone and to maybe not watch TV.
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  And I've been reading so much more and I, I've taken up
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  knitting so that if I'm talking on the phone or I'm watching a
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  show that I'm not super engaged with in my brain, I'm instead of
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  scrolling, I'm now making something with my hands and it
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  feels, it feels like a good move.
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  Yeah, I feel like that's the right direction.
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  I actually also took up knitting a few years ago and it is
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  amazing. I'm so.
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  Terrible at it in this blanket. Oh my gosh, the number of times
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  where I would make and I found, you know, this scarf and to call
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  it a pattern would be way overstating.
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  And it was a technique and you made it as wide or as narrow as
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  you wanted. But the number of holes in my
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  first ones were I'm like. So many.
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  Drops going to tie this together and no one will notice.
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  But you're doing it. Right, doing it and I'm I've
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  also pre moth eaten it because I've got so many stitches that
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  it's like it's like pick out a little peekaboo hole.
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  It's crazy. That's, I think we call that new
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  vintage where I call it a Moss, yeah.
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  I'm intimidated by just the idea of it, right?
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  So I would never try. I will never try.
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  I'll never try just because it's.
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  Never say never, Ryan. I know, never say like now I
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  feel like the knitting needles have been.
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  What I need? I feel like the.
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  Crochet is more your jam crochet.
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  It's like a needle point, but you know, it's less.
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  Yeah. Well, the beautiful thing is
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  that the yarn doesn't judge so. Yeah.
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  I don't know, I feel like maybe the knitting needle challenge
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  has been thrown and right. This time next year I want
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  blankets for all and then like Christmas, everyone gets a
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  blanket. We're gonna, we're gonna meet
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  back here in a year. We all have to show our Afghans
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  that we've knitted. Don't get your hopes up, but I'm
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  in I'm. In I found like just a little
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  like a little koozie for like a like your beer or something.
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  Now we're talking. Yeah, I think I can wrap my head
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  around that, right? Start small, right?
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  Yeah. Oh my gosh.
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  Well, so you mentioned people's stories and I think that's, I
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  think you have one of the most interesting and unique, you
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  know, paths into the automotive industry and automotive writing.
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  I know writing has been a through line in your career, but
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  the automotive element was not always there.
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  So I would love for you to share how like how you got into the
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  Automotive World because I think it's so interesting.
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  Yeah, I mean, I'll kind of give you the 30,000 foot view.
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  I started off, you know, I've wanted to be a writer for a
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  really long time and and I I as AI think as a young person, I
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  just never thought I was good. I never thought I was smart
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  enough like and I because I always thought, oh, writer like
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  that is such a glamorous sounding job and that is
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  amazing. And for me it was.
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  I was very intimidated just by the, my own idea of it because I
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  thought you had to be super smart and super like
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  knowledgeable about subject matter in order to, to be a
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  writer. And so I, I went to school for
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  writing. I went to school for creative
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  writing. I went to grad school for
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  creative writing and I had struggled for a really long time
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  to even know like, what do I want to write?
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  Like there are so many different options and, and directions that
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  you could go. And by the time I got out of
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  grad school, I just thought, well, now I don't even know what
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  I'd write about because all I've done is be a student in school.
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  And I thought, well, I'll go get a job.
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  And so I, I landed in advertising and I wasn't writing
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  copy. I landed as an account.
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  I was on the account management side because I had been in the
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  entertainment industry when I was a kid.
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  I was, I was an actor when I was like a little kid from about the
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  age of 17 until about No 7 till about 1317.
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  God, no. And so I had been around movies
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  and, and the television and theater.
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  Both of my parents danced on Broadway when I was when I was
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  born in New York. They were both dancers.
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  And so I've come from a very like show business background.
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  And so I thought, well, advertising is kind of like you
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  making little teeny movies every, you know, every couple of
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  months. And and so it just seemed like a
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  natural fit. And it was for a long time
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  because it gave me an opportunity.
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  I was living in San Francisco and even though I grew up in LA,
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  it gave me an opportunity to, to kind of grow up away from my
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  family and, and to become my own person and, and to really just
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  live life as a 20 something person.
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  And I had a great time and we worked our butts off and we, you
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  know, you party hard and you work hard and you're like, I can
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  do that. And then one day you're like,
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  I'm exhausted and I'm in my 30s. What's happening?
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  And that that need to write had kept like, like nudging me and
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  needling me. And so I moved back down to Los
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  Angeles and I started taking screen writing classes because I
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  really, I really wanted to be like a movie writer.
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  And I thought, well, I've been around movies and I love movies
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  and I love production. So there's the, there's the
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  connection of what do I write? And so I, I went to UCLA
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  extension and I started taking television comedy writing
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  classes And I was like, this is it, this is great sitcom
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  perfect. That's going to be so amazing.
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  And I'm, I feel like I'm funny, ha ha, ha.
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  And it turns out that is like almost like, I don't know if
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  it's harder to become the president of the United States
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  or be put on a staff of a, of a television comedy.
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  It's a really insular world. You have to know somebody to
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  know like, oh, my uncle runs the show.
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  So I'm going to become, it's like the advice I always got
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  there, Like, we'll just go be a like a showrunner's assistant.
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  And I'm like, well, duh, but how do I get that job?
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  Because that's always, there's always the nepotism that you
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  hear about. Yeah, you still have to know
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  somebody whichever way you slice it. 100% and I felt like my, you
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  know, my writing was decent. I, I, I got good, I got, I got
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  good like sort of comments back on some of my scripts and but it
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  was just AI mean. It was like clearly not
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  happening. I was just like ramming my head
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  against a brick wall and I was really frustrated one day
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  because I had left advertising to try and pursue writing full
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  time and I was broke. I think I've had, I think I have
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  like $100 in the bank. I mean, I had nothing.
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  It was either live in my car or sell my car.
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  And in LA the second is not an option.
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  Right. And I genuinely didn't know what
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  to do and I reached out to a friend of mine who I used to
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  work in advertising with and she said look go back into
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  advertising but just freelance. And she gave me 3 names of
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  people to talk to. And so just go do project
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  management stuff short term, long term, whatever, make some
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  money and then take some time off work for a month and then
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  write for two months. And then we're, and I was like,
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  oh, that seems like a great, what a great solution.
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  So while the three people and two of them hired me instantly,
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  one for five days and I managed to make enough money that I, I
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  could put some money in the bank and I didn't have to, I didn't
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  have to, you know, abandoned my apartment or, you know, like
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  steal from my parents and, and all the things I know, right.
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  And then the next people who hired me, this lady was like,
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  well, we have this thing. It's five months and I was like
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  5 months sounds great like I'll work for five months yes 100%
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  and I was like, but I've never heard this is not an ad agency.
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  I was like this place was called the Enthusiast network and I'm
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  like, I don't know what that is. I don't know what y'all do, but
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  it looks like there's either cars or surfing like and and
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  magazines like I don't I don't know what maggots like what are
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  you what? And she said, well it's this
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  event that we're doing an on site activation for and I'm
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  like, I've never heard of one of those.
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  I have no idea what that is, right?
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  He said. It's.
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  For the automaker Infinity, and it's at this event called the
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  Concorde de la Gas. And I was like, oh, that sounds
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  really fancy. I like cars.
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  Infinity's cool. Like I don't know how to order a
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  cocktail napkin, but I'm your gal.
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  And so she hired me without even meeting me.
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  And the next five months I was literally at the epicenter of
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  Motor Trend, automobile, hot rod truck trend, like all of these
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  like, like these amazing magazines and surrounded just by
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  car people and edit, you know, magazine editors and, and just
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  see, I was like thrown into this world that I was like, what is
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  this? It's like walking through the
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  wardrobe and Narnia and you're like, oh, hey, this is awesome.
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  And I spent five months helping put together this program.
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  And then she's like, well, I really need you to come up and
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  like, help me work the program. And I go up and I'm at Pebble
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  Beach and I'm just a noob. I've never even, like, I, in my
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  wildest dreams, I could never have imagined that such an event
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  existed. My dad had a couple of classic
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  Porsche Speedsters when I was a kid, and I fell in love with
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  those cars. I couldn't learn how to drive
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  fast enough. I would sit right seat with my
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  mom in her toy in her Corolla hatchback SR5.
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  And I was like, well, let me shift and she'd be like, OK, now
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  third. And then and then after a while
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  I would just hear the engine and I was like, OK, I need to get
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  into, I need to go into second now.
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  And now I need to go into the 4th.
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  And they'll say, here we are. And she was just like, OK,
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  great. So I'm shifting this car and I'm
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  learning how to drive and I'm understanding the dynamics of
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  all of this stuff when I'm a very young person.
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  My dad has these amazing cars that I just absolutely fell in
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  love with. And it felt like this, this like
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  just sort of kind of all fell together.
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  I go to this event and I'm just like wandering around.
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  My eyes are like as big as the moon.
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  And I was just like, what is this magical plea?
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  It was like, I'm staying at the crappiest hotel, and there's
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  like, McLaren's and Aston Martin's in the parking lot.
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  And I was like, this is heaven. Like, I died and went to some
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  heaven. And it wasn't that long after
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  that. They're like, we really want to
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  hire you as a project manager. And I'm like, no, I want to be a
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  writer. Like, that's why I left
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  advertising. And it wasn't too long after
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  that until one of the editors, Ilana, share.
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  You know, Ilana, she said to me, she's like, we don't have enough
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  women in this business. She's like, have you ever
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  thought about writing about cars?
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  And I was like, yeah, I thought about it like, I've been
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  surrounded by this, and I would kill to, like, write one article
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  about a car. And it was like, she gave me my
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  first opportunity. And I'll be so forever grateful
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  to her because after that, like, this whole world just exploded
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  around me. And I had a lot to learn.
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  I knew about cars, but I didn't know about cars.
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  And so I had some people who I trusted who I sent them my, my
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  raw copy. And I was like, please do I
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  sound like an idiot? And they're like, Oh, you said
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  that totally wrong. Like, that's not how you would
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  say that. And I understood the mechanics
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  of what I was saying, but I didn't know the language because
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  this is we like learning a new language.
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  And it was like, it was suddenly like all of the things that I
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  had done in my life previously all just sort of fell together
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  like pieces of a puzzle. And then when I got the job at
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  Kelley Blue Book, I freelanced for about a year and a half.
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  And then I got the job at Kelley Blue And I was like, oh, damn, I
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  don't want to be on camera. I'm such a, like, an introverted
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  person. And I don't want, like, people
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  judge me. And that makes me uncomfortable.
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  And I'm like, I already hate myself so much because I'm just
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  like. But that really was that moment
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  where I thought, OK, I see now how every single thing in my
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  life had LED up to that moment. There you go.
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  Yeah. And I thought, what a beautiful
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  thing that was. And that was 10 years ago.
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  That's incredible. And I mean it's like the
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  serendipity in your story and it, you know, it was not like, I
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  think it makes it even more beautiful.
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  It was not always an easy path like it was hard fought.
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  I was hands of beans like it was.
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  It was really hard. And I was 35.
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  I left advertising when I was 40 and I was like, whoa.
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  I went from a person making a really excellent salary, like
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  into the six figures, like doing great.
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  And then I went and I did get one job as a script supervisor
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  on an animated kids show. And so I was, I was just like,
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  this is it. I made it.
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  Oh my God, I did it. I did it.
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  Here I am. And I would go into my boss
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  would like scream at me to come into his office and he wouldn't
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  even look up at what he, from what he was doing.
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  He would hand me his dirty, he would hand out the, the, the
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  lunch plate that he had his sandwich on and he's like, could
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  you do something with this? And I was like in my life, like
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  now I'm just your slave. I'm handling.
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  The dishes I was like. How about you bend over and I'll
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  put it. In the park, I find a place for
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  it. Yeah, I.
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  Found a place right for it. It was a great humbling
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  experience. And I think even as a 40, I
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  think I was 42 at the time and I was like, whoa, man, like this
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  is this is rough. But I needed that.
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  I, I needed that to sort of to build myself back up and to
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  feel, you know, to just be like, no, it's OK.
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  You got to work. You got to work hard for this.
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  Nobody gives it out for free. And it's, I just got to a place.
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  I literally, I just finished a review for the Honda Prelude and
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  I, you know, it went up on YouTube and listen, YouTube is
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  the roughest place to be an automotive journalist.
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  Especially if you're a woman. I think it's really
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  particularly, it's been was particularly hard when I first
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  started. It was like, what's wrong with
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  your hair or what, How come you're wearing mom jeans or
• 20:23
  what, you know, whatever it was that that people would say, it
• 20:25
  would never be about my work. It was for the car.
• 20:28
  I would love it if someone was like, Hey, could you talk more
• 20:30
  about the transmission? Like I would love to know more
• 20:33
  about that. It was always a it's generally a
• 20:35
  personal comment, at least in the very beginning.
• 20:37
  And there was this guy who wrote this really nice song thing.
• 20:39
  He's like, I've never watched one of your videos before.
• 20:41
  He's like, I'm kind of a card nut and I watch all these
• 20:44
  videos. He's like, and honestly, he's
• 20:46
  like you're reviewing the prelude was to me the most
• 20:48
  thorough and the, you know, the most, the most well-rounded.
• 20:52
  And you explained this better than anybody else did.
• 20:54
  And this I really liked and just you awesome, keep it up.
• 20:57
  And I was like, oh, maybe I'm not a complete fraud because I
• 21:02
  don't know about you guys, but I still feel like I have imposter
• 21:06
  syndrome. Oh yeah, like there's definitely
• 21:09
  moments. And I think you make a good
• 21:11
  point. Like with that experience with
• 21:13
  the screen writing boss, I think it's a skill that you have to
• 21:18
  learn to see those moments for what they truly are, which you
• 21:23
  did. But you know, the clarity
• 21:25
  doesn't. It's not always instantaneous,
• 21:28
  but it also makes you appreciate when you get to where you are
• 21:31
  now. You're like, oh, if I hadn't
• 21:33
  been through the path that I was on, I don't know that I would
• 21:37
  have seen this for what it is, recognized it, appreciated it as
• 21:40
  much. You know, it's those are.
• 21:45
  Yeah, they are. And it.
• 21:46
  But it's like, I think that's what I try to do too, is like,
• 21:50
  OK, what what is this trying to teach me?
• 21:52
  Like, because life is not meant to be, you know, all easy and it
• 21:57
  makes you appreciate the great stuff.
• 21:58
  And when you do achieve. Yeah.
• 22:01
  Then I would ask those people to direct me to their work and talk
• 22:07
  right. But I think.
• 22:09
  There's a lot of envy there, right?
• 22:10
  People look at you and they think you've got it all figured
• 22:12
  out. It must be this glamorous life.
• 22:15
  So what's what's the biggest misconception that people have
• 22:18
  about what you do? And I think just the ease of the
• 22:22
  job, I mean, I think, I think from the outside, it is one of
• 22:25
  those jobs. It's like a, it is a dream job.
• 22:27
  I mean, let's face it, it's like I get to, I get to drive
• 22:33
  hopefully, you know, 7580% of the cars that are out there.
• 22:38
  And I frankly like it doesn't matter if it's a McLaren or if
• 22:41
  it's a Nissan, I, I can find something good in any car or
• 22:44
  like there are things I love about it.
• 22:46
  And I just love, you know, I love how it's a pretty level
• 22:50
  playing field these days with a lot of stuff.
• 22:52
  And so really finding faults and flaws is a is a is kind of a
• 22:56
  difficult thing, but but it is it.
• 22:59
  It's not easy. It's not as easy as just oh, you
• 23:02
  push a button and like, like, I don't have anyone writing my
• 23:05
  stuff. No one hands me a script and
• 23:07
  goes, here are the words you have to say.
• 23:09
  Now you just go look pretty, as pretty as you can at your age.
• 23:13
  Go look pretty and go just like stand up and be like I'm not Van
• 23:17
  of White. Van of no nothing on Vanna
• 23:19
  White. She's amazing, just.
• 23:21
  Different jobs. I always wanted to be the person
• 23:24
  who was known. These are these are my words.
• 23:27
  This is what I genuinely think about this.
• 23:29
  And I take that, I take that very seriously.
• 23:33
  And I, I would hope and encourage all women to do that
• 23:36
  because that's how you become legitimate in this business.
• 23:39
  And but I do think like in the travel, listen, some of the
• 23:42
  travel is extraordinary. Like some of the travel is
• 23:45
  extraordinary. I've been to places that I could
• 23:47
  never be able to afford on my own, stay at hotels I could
• 23:51
  never afford to stay at. I have a tremendous amount of
• 23:54
  gratitude for it still, even 10 years in.
• 23:57
  I do not take it for granted. But I got to tell you, it is
• 24:00
  really difficult to get on a plane fly, you know, 9-10 hours,
• 24:05
  you land in a completely different time zone and you have
• 24:08
  to, you better get a good night's sleep that night.
• 24:10
  You have to go to kind of a long dinner because especially some
• 24:15
  European manufacturers love to take really long dinners and
• 24:18
  they don't start until like 10:00 at night.
• 24:20
  So you're like right here we go. And then you have to get up the
• 24:24
  next morning and you have to be on like you have to be like
• 24:27
  ready to go. And now it's not for me, it's
• 24:30
  not just, oh, I get in the car and I can drop little notes and
• 24:33
  I can evaluate. I have to be on camera.
• 24:36
  So I've got to be camera ready. I travel with a lot of equip,
• 24:39
  like a lot of camera equipment. And I'm usually, I'm usually
• 24:43
  driving with a, with a partner with someone else who doesn't
• 24:46
  give a shit about what I'm doing.
• 24:48
  Like they have their own stuff to do.
• 24:50
  And I'm like, is it OK if I stop?
• 24:53
  I have to like change the cameras.
• 24:54
  Like I feel really guilty about like trying to, you know, trying
• 24:57
  to sort of like encroach on their time and their space too,
• 25:00
  because I just, I don't want to be disrespectful.
• 25:03
  And then like in the moment while you're driving a car,
• 25:06
  especially if it's a performance car, that to me is even is even
• 25:08
  a tougher ask is like, I'm supposed to be evaluating and
• 25:12
  talking about it kind of at the same time and trying to have a
• 25:17
  coherent thought come out of my head that's succinct, but not
• 25:22
  stupid. And and like, like drive
• 25:27
  sometimes on a crack sometimes and and sometimes you're in a
• 25:30
  really fucking expensive car and you're like, oh, I don't want to
• 25:34
  ruin it. So.
• 25:35
  That could take all of your focus by itself, and then you're
• 25:38
  also in the moment having to produce camera ready content.
• 25:42
  And then by the way, you don't get my family was so cute
• 25:45
  because I'd go on trips. I'd be like at the beginning I'd
• 25:47
  be like, oh, I'm going to yeah, I'm going down to like to nice.
• 25:51
  And my uncle would be like, oh, there's a fabulous little tree
• 25:57
  that's just if you go down like this street and then like turn
• 26:00
  around, he's like, they have just like the most die for of
• 26:03
  course all. And I'm like, I don't have time
• 26:06
  for a shower. You're not on vacation, right?
• 26:09
  And people, I don't think, get that.
• 26:10
  Yeah. Well, because you go, you get
• 26:12
  there. Like you get there.
• 26:13
  That next day you have a dinner, you go and you drive the day
• 26:18
  after. And then the next day you're on
• 26:19
  a plane and you're coming home. And on that plane coming home,
• 26:23
  you're generally writing your story or you're filling out the
• 26:26
  rest of your impressions. And the second I get home, then
• 26:29
  I have to record my voiceover and then the the stuff gets
• 26:33
  edited because you're embargo, you're basically is like when
• 26:37
  you're allowed to say like, Hey, this is what I think of this car
• 26:39
  when your review goes up. Generally you do not have more
• 26:43
  than like four or five days from when you're done driving to when
• 26:48
  everything has to be written, you know, edited all of these
• 26:52
  things. And it's, it's very tiring.
• 26:56
  Again, I'm not complaining. I love it.
• 26:59
  I am super grateful about it. And but it's it's not as easy as
• 27:05
  it seems. I think it's one of people don't
• 27:07
  think a lot of people don't see what goes into it on the back
• 27:11
  end. And sort of the like you said,
• 27:14
  it's like without complaining about it, you know, traveling to
• 27:18
  other parts of the world for the brief periods of time that the
• 27:21
  trips usually are like that is draining.
• 27:24
  I think at one time they used to have like longer trips and I'm
• 27:27
  like, well, that sounds and a lot of that was before video
• 27:32
  too. So I think with I think when you
• 27:34
  add the video production into it, there's just this whole
• 27:37
  other element that's like, well, no, now I have to shoot B roll.
• 27:40
  So I I can't go to lunch because I need the car for the 45
• 27:44
  minutes that I would be sitting at lunch and I'm going to go
• 27:46
  shoot B roll and I'm going to go shoot my stand ups.
• 27:48
  So I oftentimes like, I won't, I won't make like like lunch.
• 27:54
  Right. Oh yeah.
• 27:56
  I think that's, I think that's part of your appeal.
• 27:58
  Like it's genuine. You like forgo the catch phrases
• 28:02
  and like the cheesy YouTube stuff and you seem like a real
• 28:05
  human, right? It, it, it shows.
• 28:07
  And and that's something that I think most people forget about.
• 28:11
  And, and I guess related, you know, Matt Farah had a good
• 28:14
  answer when someone asked him this question.
• 28:15
  You go on these trips and all this, just curious to get your
• 28:18
  take. How do you balance being
• 28:21
  critical while maintaining access right in an industry
• 28:24
  where relationships do matter so much?
• 28:26
  I mean, listen, you, you have to be honest because that's, that's
• 28:31
  your credibility on the line. I think that's 100% just a
• 28:36
  given. There are two things I would
• 28:39
  say. The first thing is if there's
• 28:42
  something wrong with the car, the press people normally, they
• 28:46
  kind of, they know it. They already know it.
• 28:49
  It's not going to come as a surprise to them.
• 28:52
  They're sort of like, yeah, I get it.
• 28:55
  There's a way of being diplomatic about it and of being
• 28:59
  not there's. I think there are those
• 29:01
  journalists that that are like they love a they love the gotcha
• 29:05
  moment. It's like, I'm going to like,
• 29:07
  I'm going to out you and like make some kind of like big
• 29:10
  statement about it. Like I'm so great.
• 29:12
  Oh, you fucked up. And like, this is what I found
• 29:16
  it. Yeah, Do that kind of
• 29:17
  journalism. This is not like I have a scoop.
• 29:19
  Oh, right. You know, look, I, I saw this
• 29:22
  person. To me, it's like, look, this I
• 29:26
  feel like this could have been done a little bit better.
• 29:28
  Like this to me doesn't feel like it says this doesn't feel
• 29:32
  like it is his premium because it should be for this level of
• 29:36
  car. Like it's you say these like
• 29:38
  there are ways to say it. Yeah, where it's where it is it
• 29:42
  there's diplomacy involved. Yes, that's.
• 29:44
  Yeah, that makes sense. Where you're you're conveying it
• 29:47
  honestly without just being critical for the sake of being
• 29:51
  critical. And you're not saying this?
• 29:52
  Fucking. Sucks like like who made that
• 29:55
  fuck of shit, right? No, like there are some people
• 29:58
  who do that, but that's not my style and and.
• 30:04
  It's kind of amazing that when you see behind the curtain a
• 30:07
  little bit of OEMs, it's kind of amazing that they do do what
• 30:10
  they do, right? Like they can manage to put
• 30:13
  together these amazing cars, right.
• 30:14
  When you look at the bean counters and the engineers and
• 30:17
  all the, it's right. Especially with the bigger
• 30:20
  companies. And then you throw in.
• 30:22
  You throw in regulations that they have there you.
• 30:26
  Go with. You know, people will talk about
• 30:28
  design and I'm, you know, I'm one of those people who who
• 30:30
  talks about it too. People are like all cars look
• 30:32
  the same now. And, you know, listen, I have
• 30:35
  always said, I feel like if I took the badging off of every
• 30:39
  white, like mid sized SUV, how many people would be able to
• 30:44
  tell like what was what? I think it would be a real
• 30:48
  challenge on many levels. But you also have to appreciate
• 30:51
  that automakers are they they have a lot of restrictions
• 30:55
  within which they need to work. And no, like, are we going to
• 30:59
  see the big finned, you know, Cadillacs of, you know, of the
• 31:03
  50s again, or even see like this, like these tiny little
• 31:07
  bumpers like that are on my Porsche.
• 31:10
  No, we're not going to see that ever again because people want
• 31:13
  to be safe and not die in their car.
• 31:16
  And I feel like that's kind of a payoff.
• 31:18
  I, you know, I do hope that there's that there's some, you
• 31:22
  know, more latitude and inventiveness when it comes to
• 31:26
  car design, especially as we get into more into the electrified
• 31:31
  era, because your components are all basically going to be the
• 31:34
  same. You're basically riding on a
• 31:36
  skateboard. And, and maybe that means that
• 31:38
  that there will be more creativity allowed on the
• 31:41
  exterior or maybe even someone will be able to say, Hey, I'm
• 31:44
  going to start this coach works where you can kind of you can
• 31:47
  have whatever it is that you want and smoke, Evie smoke
• 31:51
  whatever you want. And wouldn't that be a cool
• 31:53
  thing? So I think they do work within
• 31:56
  quite strict regulations. And yeah, I mean, boy, for
• 32:00
  anyone who doesn't understand why Subaru and Toyota got
• 32:03
  together on some of their, you know, cars or why why some
• 32:07
  manufacturers kind of get in bed with others, it's like this is
• 32:11
  an expensive proposition. And, you know, especially now
• 32:16
  like boy 2 for some of them to have gone all in in the EV
• 32:21
  space. And now like we're kind of
• 32:23
  seeing this backlash a little bit the pendulum, the sort of
• 32:26
  swinging a little bit the other way.
• 32:29
  It's a big, you take a big risk every single time you're making
• 32:32
  a wholesale decision like that. And it's, it's tough, I don't
• 32:38
  know that some of the, some of the car makers that we see now
• 32:40
  are going to be in business 510 years from now or fewer or less
• 32:43
  than that. So you know, I I try and respect
• 32:47
  that too do. You want to name names.
• 32:50
  No, OK. I have to ask, it's like I
• 32:53
  would, I would prefer not to, but you make a good point about
• 32:56
  how much the regulations impact design and how much it does.
• 33:01
  Like everyone is working within the same limitations.
• 33:04
  And I think that's something that when you just see a car on
• 33:06
  the road, that's easy to forget about that, but it really does,
• 33:13
  you know, impact. And some people have done a
• 33:16
  better job than others as far as I'm concerned.
• 33:19
  Like I look at what and, and I look at what Hyundai and Kia are
• 33:23
  doing. And I think that their approach
• 33:25
  to to design has been actually really interesting.
• 33:29
  I think if I look at Audis, I look at it's just sort of the
• 33:32
  Russian doll approach, right? It's like, it's like just get a
• 33:35
  bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger version of this kind of
• 33:38
  same thing. But yeah, that's a great
• 33:40
  description. With Hyundai, they kind of are.
• 33:43
  They're sort of more of like a like chess pieces, right?
• 33:48
  Where they compliment. Yeah, they kind of sort of look
• 33:51
  like they're of the same family. But like the Santa Fe now is a
• 33:55
  sort of like much this boxy kind of thing that doesn't look like
• 33:59
  the, you know, the what's the the Tucson, you know, it's just
• 34:06
  like. Oh yeah.
• 34:07
  Don't like how the Tucson looks. You're not like relegated to be
• 34:11
  like, well, God, I guess I have to get another car or like you
• 34:15
  don't, it's not, it's not like, oh, it's just a bigger version
• 34:17
  of the Tucson like. And so they, they have
• 34:20
  definitely taken into account different people have different
• 34:24
  tastes and different, different likes and, and different needs.
• 34:29
  And so I, I think that's actually been really wise of
• 34:31
  them. Well, and it's it's you make a
• 34:35
  good point because you can have sort of a common thread while
• 34:38
  still giving people options and keeping it a little more
• 34:41
  diverse. And I think we all commented at
• 34:43
  the auto show just this past fall, like Kia really is killing
• 34:47
  it. And I think people were
• 34:49
  pleasantly surprised. Yeah.
• 34:52
  I will say though that that new the Telluride really looks like
• 34:58
  a like a new Range Rover. Yes, heavily.
• 35:05
  They've learned homage. They've paid homage.
• 35:08
  Right, right, right. I mean, I tip my hat because
• 35:12
  it's, you know. Yeah, same.
• 35:15
  I've had the same thought. I know.
• 35:17
  What's the term for 100% homage? Heavily sampled helper.
• 35:23
  Yeah, I'd be a better Range Rover than the Range Rover, to
• 35:26
  be honest, right. Right.
• 35:28
  I mean, that Range Rover is gorgeous.
• 35:30
  I wouldn't. I wouldn't say no to one of
• 35:32
  them. No, no, I want a defender.
• 35:33
  That's what I. Want neither would I Oh.
• 35:35
  That's good, yeah. Yeah, Ryan knows what's up.
• 35:38
  I know. Well, I told, I told Ryan and
• 35:40
  Dan last week, I was at a Cars and Coffee with my daughter.
• 35:43
  We were walking around and there were there was a wide variety of
• 35:45
  cars and not really any big cars, though.
• 35:49
  And she said, Mom, if you were going to get a big car, what
• 35:51
  would you get? And I was laughing and I
• 35:54
  immediately said a defender. She said, I knew it.
• 35:56
  I knew that before you even answered.
• 35:59
  So Lindsay, I have a question like talk to me about your
• 36:03
  daughter's like interest in cars and did that, is that kind of an
• 36:07
  organic thing or did that do you think that came from your from
• 36:11
  from your love and it's just sort of has trickled down to
• 36:13
  her? I think it's probably a
• 36:16
  combination, but I think it's more nature than nurture
• 36:20
  actually. Obviously because like really
• 36:25
  the people that she's around in our family the most are into
• 36:28
  cars. So she was definitely exposed to
• 36:31
  it and had the opportunity to, you know, experience a wide
• 36:36
  variety of what I would consider fun cars and sort of see cars as
• 36:40
  something that's a hobby as well as transportation and, you know,
• 36:45
  a way to sort of meet up with your friends or meet new people.
• 36:48
  And so she got to experience all of that from a very like from I
• 36:52
  mean, she was at the track at 10 weeks old.
• 36:56
  Like I think the first event that I was back out, she was 10
• 36:59
  weeks old, which I look back on that as maybe not the smartest,
• 37:01
  but you're here nor there at this point.
• 37:04
  And some of the cars that you have exposed her to be just
• 37:07
  because of your family connection with Cobras and like
• 37:11
  those that that classic car element that to me is so I think
• 37:16
  that's so formative because they are so different than what we
• 37:20
  see now. And they are like little, these
• 37:22
  kind of little toys. And I think especially I think
• 37:25
  that's what made me really fall in love, was that that the
• 37:29
  Porsche Speedster was just like, it's cute.
• 37:32
  Yes. Like I can see myself in that.
• 37:34
  Like it's just like a little like a little Princess car.
• 37:38
  It's got crossover appeal for sure.
• 37:40
  It really was. And I just thought, oh, what a
• 37:42
  what a great point of entry. And I could see a cobra like
• 37:45
  having the same kind of allure for a young girl.
• 37:48
  Yeah, that. And what's funny is she has
• 37:50
  really connected to because there's a 73 Bronco in the
• 37:53
  family and she had really connected to that one.
• 37:56
  So you know, like she, there have been times where we have
• 37:59
  gone for a drive because she has walked outside and and kind of
• 38:02
  patted the back of it and said we should probably take this
• 38:05
  Bronco out. And I'm like, you know what, far
• 38:07
  be it for me to say no to that? That's.
• 38:10
  Right. But I remember one time when she
• 38:12
  was like 2 and she was in the back of the Boss 3O2 Mustang
• 38:16
  that I had because I had a 2012, and she was in the back yelling
• 38:20
  go, Lightning McQueen go. And I remember thinking to
• 38:23
  myself, like, nobody will ever believe me that I didn't teach
• 38:26
  her to do that. But that was all her.
• 38:29
  So she, you know, I think she would have been a car girl
• 38:32
  anyway, but it might not have been as easy to experience it.
• 38:36
  And she'd not been born into the family that she was.
• 38:39
  But yeah, I'm very, very lucky that she still wants to hang out
• 38:42
  with me. And we'll go to car stuff.
• 38:44
  That's a big deal at 13. Yeah, it is not lost on me for
• 38:49
  sure. So.
• 38:53
  I wish I had someone to talk to about my love of cars because I,
• 38:57
  it was just one of those things where I would look at like I, as
• 38:59
  I got older and I was driving, you know, on the freeway in Los
• 39:03
  Angeles and I would, I would look at cars and I'd be like, on
• 39:06
  really like the, the back end of that one is kind of like, what
• 39:09
  the hell. But the front end of this is
• 39:11
  like, this is really cool. Or how unusual that that's the
• 39:14
  style or the design. And I remember so acutely like
• 39:17
  the Cadillac Deville that was like an on ramp.
• 39:19
  And I was like, I feel like you could drive right up that thing.
• 39:22
  And there was the launch. There were things that certainly
• 39:26
  impacted me in a way, but I never vocalized it because I
• 39:30
  never had like a community. Yeah.
• 39:34
  Talk with about it. And my parents were, you know,
• 39:38
  my my stepdad is not really into cars and my mom was just like, I
• 39:42
  don't know, I'm going to drive a Buick.
• 39:43
  You know, I've got a like sure, why not?
• 39:46
  And so when all of this stuff started to happen for me, my
• 39:49
  friends were like, wait, you're writing about what they're like,
• 39:52
  what the hell do you know about cars?
• 39:54
  And I'm like, well, actually, I know more than you might think
• 39:58
  because I, you know, but I just never had anyone to talk to
• 40:01
  about it. And the community is wonderful
• 40:06
  when it comes to just appreciating cars, but also
• 40:10
  working on cars. Like, suddenly you just have
• 40:13
  like a whole pack of like of, of friends who are like, OK, let's
• 40:18
  lean over the hood and figure out what the Hell's going on
• 40:20
  here. Yeah, and everybody's in and
• 40:24
  they're all willing to jump in and help and they all enjoy it.
• 40:27
  It's not a, you know, it's not a task.
• 40:30
  And I think, you know, like we, our friend Bassem Wassup that we
• 40:34
  all know his son is around my daughter's age.
• 40:36
  And you know, our friend John Dicey at Porsche Colorado
• 40:40
  Springs, his son is around. They're all around the same age
• 40:43
  and they're all car kids. But like you said, like they're
• 40:46
  kind of at least for right now, like they're the only car kids
• 40:50
  that they know. So when we can get them
• 40:51
  together, we do. But they're all in different
• 40:53
  states. And I think, like John and I've
• 40:57
  talked about this, even when we were growing up, we didn't
• 41:00
  really find our car people until we were, you know, adults.
• 41:05
  And that's in that way social media has been so amazing
• 41:09
  because it connects so many people that aren't in the same
• 41:12
  place. And, like, Bassam really summed
• 41:14
  it up well because I think the car community is so welcoming,
• 41:18
  and you can just walk up and introduce yourself to someone
• 41:21
  that you don't know. And you have this big thing in
• 41:24
  common. And he described it as, you
• 41:27
  know, knowing that you're meeting a fellow car enthusiast,
• 41:29
  it shortcuts all of the small talk.
• 41:32
  And you just sort of jump into this friendship because, you
• 41:34
  know, you have this giant thing in common.
• 41:36
  Yeah. And I mean, I remember
• 41:38
  something. To talk about.
• 41:40
  Yeah, like you just, you have this immediate connection.
• 41:44
  And I remember remarking about that the very first time my
• 41:46
  family went to Car Week. My siblings and I and my parents
• 41:50
  and one of my cousins were there.
• 41:52
  And one of my my cousin and I are pretty close in age.
• 41:55
  And at some point into the trip, we realized that my dad didn't
• 41:59
  know all these people he was talking to, but he had just been
• 42:02
  walking up and talking to people.
• 42:04
  And then he'd bring us over and whatever.
• 42:05
  And finally, we're like, wait a minute, you don't know any of
• 42:08
  these people. And he's like, yeah, but we're
• 42:09
  all car people. And that was a light bulb moment
• 42:12
  for me. And I think, you know, like you
• 42:15
  said, there's little threads when you look back.
• 42:16
  I think now I am not at all reticent.
• 42:20
  I'm very willing to walk up to anybody and introduce myself,
• 42:23
  which I think social media has also kind of greased the wheels
• 42:26
  because in a lot of ways, or a lot of times, you already know
• 42:29
  the people through online interaction, which wasn't
• 42:33
  present at the time. But yeah, I think it really
• 42:35
  gives you your tribe because. Yeah.
• 42:38
  I mean, I didn't know any other, certainly no other girls in high
• 42:42
  school that were into cars. So I was the same as you.
• 42:45
  Like I'd be in the car with friends and I'd see, you know, I
• 42:48
  remember when the Jaguar station wagon was out for a brief moment
• 42:51
  in time and commenting on it and the people in the backseat,
• 42:55
  they're like, so you're into cars.
• 42:58
  This is. And my friend goes, yeah, she
• 43:00
  really likes cars. And then the conversation
• 43:02
  carried on something else. But yeah, we were.
• 43:05
  We were all sort of, you know, our own little islands.
• 43:08
  Yeah, in a lot of ways, yeah. So talk a little bit about like,
• 43:16
  because you have seen a big evolution at Kelley Blue Book
• 43:20
  and I think just watching how social media has impacted the
• 43:23
  industry and, you know, obviously you're creating the
• 43:27
  videos, which is content. So talk a little bit like how
• 43:31
  you've seen social media impacted and how things have
• 43:34
  evolved while you've been at Kelley Blue Book.
• 43:38
  It's definitely like a fluid situation.
• 43:41
  I mean, I, it has changed a lot since I got there.
• 43:44
  And I feel like I kind of came in quite at the end of
• 43:47
  something, the end of the, the end of one piece of it and kind
• 43:51
  of the beginning of another. And I'm very grateful that I
• 43:54
  that I was able to be a part of the kind of the end of, of that
• 43:58
  and experience like the the magazine, the magazine sort of
• 44:02
  era in a way. And I'm almost nostalgic for
• 44:05
  something that I never really truly knew.
• 44:09
  But I'm grateful that I had a little taste of it.
• 44:13
  Yeah. I mean, it's been, it's been
• 44:15
  really interesting and quite difficult.
• 44:19
  I would imagine. I would kind of equate it with
• 44:21
  with meet the music industry. When music video first came
• 44:27
  around and I was watching something, I can't remember what
• 44:31
  documentary it was. Don't ask me.
• 44:32
  I feel like my parents now where I'm like remember it was about a
• 44:35
  guy in a place with a thing and but it was about it was it was
• 44:39
  interviewing A musician and and he was, oh, it was.
• 44:42
  Eagles The. Eagles.
• 44:44
  I just watched it. I'm like, wait, I know this
• 44:46
  story. And it was Don Henley and he was
• 44:48
  like, suddenly I have to fucking act and I have to like be in
• 44:52
  front of a camera. He's like, I just want to, I
• 44:54
  just want to play music, man. I didn't get into this.
• 44:57
  And I and I, that really resonated with me because
• 45:00
  because we are going through a like, I wouldn't even call it an
• 45:04
  evolution. It is a revolution at Kelley
• 45:06
  Blue Book, for better or for worse.
• 45:09
  And a lot of it really is focused on like the visual
• 45:12
  aspect of it, video creation, social media, the attention
• 45:19
  spans of people have gotten so incredibly short.
• 45:22
  And everything that we do now lives on this terrible and
• 45:26
  wonderful device and that we are trying to meet people where they
• 45:33
  are. And, and that's great, but it,
• 45:36
  it does, gosh, it does kind of eliminate some people who are
• 45:41
  not. So not everyone is supposed to
• 45:43
  be on camera. Let's face it, like it isn't, it
• 45:46
  is awkward at best. And it is downright like awful
• 45:52
  at worse because it's just it's you put puts you on the spot.
• 45:56
  It is, it is a really, it is a really challenging and difficult
• 45:59
  thing to do. And like, you know, photography
• 46:05
  like, OK, during the pandemic, my boss was like, well, he's
• 46:10
  like, we can't use our production company anymore.
• 46:12
  So here's camera go out and learn how to shoot a car.
• 46:14
  And I was like. That's me.
• 46:18
  Like what? What are you talking about?
• 46:20
  And I at least again, thankfully my experience in in the world of
• 46:25
  moving pictures at various stages and places and and
• 46:29
  iterations, I was able to pick it up pretty quickly.
• 46:32
  But there are some people who just, that's just not what they
• 46:36
  were built to do. It doesn't mean they're not a
• 46:38
  wonderful car ride, but they're fabulous fucking car riders who
• 46:42
  have this, just this like this vast knowledge and this like
• 46:45
  encyclopedic, like intellect that I will, they will forget
• 46:51
  more in like 30 seconds than I will ever know about cars.
• 46:57
  And they are at this terrible disadvantage now because you
• 47:00
  know what I don't? I don't know how to, I can't
• 47:03
  like drive and talk to a camera and like come up with my
• 47:06
  thoughts at the same time. And I just, I freeze up because
• 47:09
  I'm, and it, that part to me is, is a real shame because I think,
• 47:15
  I think we are kind of, there's this attrition and, and this
• 47:18
  contraction of the, of our business.
• 47:21
  You're seeing a lot of outlets that are disappearing.
• 47:25
  A lot of the online outlets are being scooped up by venture
• 47:29
  capitalists and they don't they don't make money.
• 47:32
  You know, it's like they're like, well, wait a second.
• 47:34
  Like we thought this was going to be like some lucrative like
• 47:36
  money making thing. And I'm like, I don't know who
• 47:40
  did your research, but you need different analysts like because
• 47:44
  just. Hate to break it to you, yeah.
• 47:46
  And, and so I think, and it's a, so it is a very challenging time
• 47:50
  right now in our industry. And, and I think everybody who
• 47:54
  has a job is intensely grateful for that job.
• 47:57
  I do know that other people at other outlets like they are,
• 48:00
  they try every single time they can to hire freelance people
• 48:04
  because they know how much people are struggling.
• 48:07
  And there are a lot of people who when I first started, they
• 48:11
  are, they've had to go find other things to do because it's
• 48:15
  not sustainable. And so, you know, it's a, it's
• 48:18
  a, it's a very, it's a very interesting time right now.
• 48:22
  And I am very grateful that I have a job.
• 48:27
  It's hasn't been easy the last couple of months because we have
• 48:30
  been making this, this very dramatic shift.
• 48:33
  But we've all kind of banded together to try and figure out
• 48:36
  like, all right, how do we do this?
• 48:37
  Like if this is the new, if this is the new normal, then then how
• 48:42
  do we do this? The one thing I will say is
• 48:45
  everyone that I work with certainly is like very hard
• 48:48
  working. They are unbelievably dedicated
• 48:51
  to what they do. They love what they do.
• 48:54
  They know how fortunate they are.
• 48:56
  And that makes it easier to, to kind of weather the bumps and
• 49:01
  the, and the, the big waves. But yeah, it's been a, it's been
• 49:06
  a certainly it's been an interesting time.
• 49:08
  I think that about the whole automotive industry in general.
• 49:11
  I'm very fortunate that I get to do tours at the LA Auto Show
• 49:15
  just for regular normal people. I wanted to, yeah, I wanted to
• 49:19
  ask you about that and kind of like give us the behind the
• 49:23
  scenes on the behind the. Scenes I.
• 49:25
  Do I do I have this year was amazing or last year I should
• 49:29
  say. This year is so amazing because
• 49:31
  there was so much, there was kind of a lot of great stuff at
• 49:34
  the LA Auto Show. Like for the first, like during
• 49:37
  the pandemic, I mean, we skipped a year and then we kind of sort
• 49:41
  of slowly sort of crawling back like kind of out of the sludge.
• 49:45
  And this last year was the first year that I've really felt the
• 49:49
  energy back at the LA show, which made me really happy
• 49:52
  because I remember going when I was in my teens, my dad would
• 49:56
  take us and I'd, you know, I'd be like, oh, oh, show.
• 50:00
  And then I'd see the NSX. Like in 1989, I remember seeing
• 50:03
  the new NSX and I was like, what is that?
• 50:08
  Because that is like a spaceship.
• 50:10
  It's so cool. You can drive that.
• 50:11
  Oh my God. And so there were a lot of
• 50:14
  really, there were two concept cars there.
• 50:17
  You guys like concept cars added LA shows, Brad.
• 50:22
  And so I kind of had this like this, this like this like tour
• 50:27
  that I did when I was talking about like the end cars for the
• 50:30
  Elantra. And then that that would be like
• 50:32
  sort of the performance, the performance division thread that
• 50:35
  went through everything from Nissan to Toyota to Honda to
• 50:40
  like, you know, what Polestar was and now has become and all,
• 50:45
  just all of these really interesting things and
• 50:49
  iterations. And we have new car companies.
• 50:51
  And to me, you know, the the overarching theme is if you
• 50:56
  aren't all an automotive enthusiast and all look, you
• 51:00
  don't need to know how to turn a wrench in order to be an
• 51:02
  automotive enthusiast. All you need to do is like cars.
• 51:06
  And if you do this is like this to me is as close to what it
• 51:13
  must have been like at the beginning of all car.
• 51:18
  Everything from the late 1800s to the early 1900s.
• 51:22
  You had guys that were like, well, we make a bicycle.
• 51:24
  Like, let's put a motor in it. Like, let's try and like, let's
• 51:28
  do that. Oh, we make carriages.
• 51:30
  OK, let's do that. Stanley Steamer.
• 51:32
  OK, yeah, let's make cars like everybody was just like, sure.
• 51:37
  And now we have companies like Lucid and, you know, like Rivian
• 51:43
  and like, I'll throw Tesla in there too.
• 51:46
  Why not? Who's who cares?
• 51:48
  They did kick things off a little bit.
• 51:51
  Still the best selling EV on the planet.
• 51:53
  I don't care if anyone wants to think or not.
• 51:56
  Like the people are still buying it, so sorry.
• 51:59
  The numbers are there. As you know, I, I, I can't mine
• 52:03
  is not the question why, but here we are.
• 52:05
  So, so yeah. So this is like this to me is
• 52:09
  like a, a, a renaissance in the automotive industry because you
• 52:13
  have so many different powertrain options, you have so
• 52:16
  much innovation and invention happening and it's fantastic.
• 52:22
  I love. Being an observer.
• 52:23
  It's global and I love being an observer of all of it.
• 52:28
  And a commentator I guess. On some levels.
• 52:32
  Well, so how did you get into doing the tours?
• 52:34
  Like, I don't, I mean, I think there's a lot of people who
• 52:36
  don't even know. Stumbled, I mean, I stumbled
• 52:38
  into it. It's one of those things where
• 52:40
  it was like, hey, like, is this something that you would be into
• 52:44
  doing? And I thought, Oh yeah, sure,
• 52:46
  why not? And it started many years ago, I
• 52:48
  think maybe 2019. And just this year we were like,
• 52:53
  oh, how do we drum up like, like excitement about it?
• 52:57
  And this was really the first year that we decided, well,
• 52:59
  let's do almost like, I hate the word influencer.
• 53:02
  I don't have enough followers to be an influencer.
• 53:05
  If that is the thing, that's fine.
• 53:07
  The micro, micro influence. There we go.
• 53:11
  And so they said, well, why don't you guys help U.S. market
• 53:15
  these things And we'll just say, hey, I'm going to be giving
• 53:18
  tours at the LA Auto Show. You guys want to walk around and
• 53:21
  like get my point of view on all the stuff.
• 53:25
  Please join me. And it was so successful.
• 53:29
  I think I went from, I think two years ago or maybe like just for
• 53:33
  2024. I did, I think I did like 3
• 53:36
  tours for 2025. I did 9 or like 9 or 10 tours.
• 53:46
  And it was all based on like you got to pick who you were with.
• 53:50
  And it was like, oh, I work for Kelly.
• 53:52
  She works for Kelley Blue Book. Oh, yeah.
• 53:53
  I've seen her videos. Yeah.
• 53:55
  Oh my gosh, yeah, that's fun. It was really fun.
• 53:59
  And people kind of know what they're getting instead of like,
• 54:02
  who is this person gonna be? And Lynn, you could tell them
• 54:05
  anything and they're gonna believe you, right?
• 54:07
  So did you ever have any fun with that?
• 54:08
  And. I lied.
• 54:09
  All the OK, good, good, good. I would be disappointed if you
• 54:12
  hadn't. She's like, it was the Magical
• 54:14
  mystery tour with Lynn. But there was.
• 54:17
  Some kind horsepower, yeah. That was one of the big
• 54:20
  questions that I would ask, am I how much horsepower you think
• 54:22
  this one has? And then we would have really
• 54:24
  cool discussions like how much horsepower is too much on some
• 54:27
  of these EV, Like is 1200 horsepower in the new in that
• 54:32
  Corvette, you know, concept? Is that too much?
• 54:35
  Yeah, to me, I think that's way too much.
• 54:37
  And then there was another another area in the Ford booth.
• 54:40
  It was really cool because they had a, they had like the, the
• 54:47
  one of their sort of performance Mustangs right here.
• 54:50
  And then they had the, the range of the F-150 Raptor that was
• 54:55
  right here that had just done, I think Sonora.
• 54:58
  And then right next to it they had the Maverick.
• 55:01
  And I'm like, look at this, look at these three vehicles
• 55:04
  back-to-back to back. These could not be more
• 55:06
  different. And yet here we are.
• 55:08
  We're looking at this this amazing like scope of what is
• 55:12
  out there and what's available. And you know, it was just, it
• 55:16
  was, it was great. And you know, Porsche, Porsche
• 55:20
  didn't come, but they really supported, they supported an LA
• 55:23
  dealership and they had quite a big presence there.
• 55:28
  And the Carrera GT was there. And that's always such a great
• 55:31
  story, which is like, look back in back when they were making
• 55:35
  these, they couldn't sell them. So they stopped making them.
• 55:38
  No one, they couldn't, they couldn't pay people to buy these
• 55:41
  things. And now they're like million
• 55:44
  over $1,000,000 car. So it's just there's story after
• 55:47
  story if you just kind of dig a little deep.
• 55:49
  And that was that always, to me is really fun for the people who
• 55:53
  are really engaged and they're just like, that's really cool.
• 55:56
  I've learned something. Lynn that you know, the, the,
• 55:58
  the CGT and the 300SL Mercedes-Benz, right, have so
• 56:02
  many parallels. We hear the stories about at the
• 56:04
  end of the 300 SLS run, they just made them all in white with
• 56:07
  red interior or whatever. We had Nate, Nate on from the
• 56:09
  the classic center. I think you told us this.
• 56:11
  Oh what a great what a great podcast that would be to watch.
• 56:15
  That place is amazing. He's the neatest guy.
• 56:19
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:19
  I want to talk about a dream job, right?
• 56:21
  You know you're into that sort of.
• 56:23
  Thing, I mean, if you're into it, yes, please.
• 56:26
  I went to the opening of that new place and I was just like
• 56:29
  dazzled. I mean, it was just magnificent.
• 56:34
  I know I could spend multiple days there.
• 56:36
  It's so cool. My dream at some point is to
• 56:39
  find a classic Rd. rally and to snag a car from them and be
• 56:42
  like, all right, let's go everybody so.
• 56:46
  Well, Lynn, I happen to know someone.
• 56:48
  Yeah, well, no, I mean my and and their their their local PR
• 56:52
  guy. He's always like, yeah, just let
• 56:54
  me know what you want. We'll go like car shopping
• 56:56
  basically. It's like it's fine.
• 56:58
  Well, if if you ever want to do the Colorado Grand, let me know.
• 57:01
  That's something I'm involved in and that's how actually how I
• 57:03
  got to know Nate and Mike and all those.
• 57:05
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  No so many years ago. No, right, 2023 I'm looking at
• 58:17
  the the lanyard right now. I don't keep lanyards, but I
• 58:19
  keep that lanyard. I was invited as a guest of
• 58:23
  Jaguar Classic and their their classic division.
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  They do continuation cars and they had two people that they
• 58:30
  want. They were trying out a program
• 58:32
  that they were planning that they were thinking about doing
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  for customers and they're like, well, let's invite 2
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  journalists. I was one of them.
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  of art, but they were formidable Lamont Racing cars back in their
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  day in the 5th in the 50s. And there was, there's an event
• 59:07
  called the Modena Cinto Oray and it's four days and it's
• 59:11
  basically a classic Rd. rally that has a track element to it
• 59:16
  on every single day. And we flew into Rome and we had
• 59:20
  a whole team behind us of Jaguar Classic, both engineers and
• 59:27
  press people. They had a photographer with us.
• 59:30
  And they, we basically we, they're like, we would like you
• 59:33
  to compete your teammate. And I've done rally before.
• 59:36
  So for me, reading Rd. books was something that I knew, I knew
• 59:40
  how to do the TSD, the time, speed, distance, challenges.
• 59:43
  And so that was why I got invited to go and do it.
• 59:46
  And they're like, OK, well, you kind of have the best of both
• 59:49
  worlds. And so I, we were both paired up
• 59:52
  with Jaguar classic employees and we, I taught my guy how to
• 59:58
  rally because he just was like, I don't know what this is.
• 1:00:01
  What a time card. I don't know.
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  Huh. And so I, it was, and, and it
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  was literally like 5 days driving around Tuscany.
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  I mean in the most beautiful car I could ever possibly imagine.
• 1:00:16
  It was heaven. And then at night this, you
• 1:00:19
  know, they would do these magnificent like events like,
• 1:00:24
  oh, this is our black tie evening and everyone would show
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  up like black tie, like a black and white ball.
• 1:00:28
  And I'm like. What thing?
• 1:00:30
  Right now, Alexis. Yeah, and there's like, Lord,
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  Lord, you know so and so who's doing?
• 1:00:36
  It's all gentlemen drivers, right?
• 1:00:37
  It was just like, like a world that I will never, ever
• 1:00:41
  participate in in any other way. But it was one of them.
• 1:00:44
  You got to pop in for a moment. I got to dip my toe in it.
• 1:00:47
  It was very glamorous and it was very lovely.
• 1:00:49
  But the car was, boy, you really need to know how to drive that
• 1:00:54
  car because the laws of physics apply 1000% to that car.
• 1:00:59
  But what a treat that was. Sounds amazing.
• 1:01:02
  So I have done some Rd. rally. Yeah, okay.
• 1:01:04
  Cool, cool. Well, you know, we're driving
• 1:01:06
  not just on the, I mean, you were driving them on the track.
• 1:01:09
  Too, but for right, so for for there were two, there were two
• 1:01:14
  classes 1 that was competition and you had to have a roll cage
• 1:01:18
  because you're that's but the regularity for regularity, you
• 1:01:21
  would just do an out lap, a scouting lap, and then the next
• 1:01:25
  lap you would do would be timed. And so you could take it at any
• 1:01:28
  time you wanted. It was not for speed, but the
• 1:01:31
  next subsequent 3 laps, you had to match that time at every
• 1:01:36
  sector as closely as possible. So it was about precision.
• 1:01:41
  It wasn't just about like, you know, flip, you know, whaling it
• 1:01:45
  around the thing as fast as you can.
• 1:01:47
  It was like, no, how can you duplicate this time to the, I
• 1:01:51
  mean, to the exact, I think it was like hundredths, hundredths
• 1:01:54
  of a second. And that was a real, I mean,
• 1:01:57
  these were real like actual driving, driving challenges.
• 1:02:01
  There's good other cars, good other cars on the track too who
• 1:02:04
  are trying to either take the the racing line or not.
• 1:02:07
  And you're like, oh shit, I'm not going fast or you're going
• 1:02:10
  faster than I am. And so it's really quite unique.
• 1:02:14
  That's fantastic. You know, God, Yeah.
• 1:02:16
  That's the life you you lead, Lynn.
• 1:02:18
  I mean, I mean, that's I. Am I'm very excited to say and
• 1:02:22
  I'm I'm hoping that it's not too premature to say this, but I'll,
• 1:02:25
  I'll scoop you here, please. You hear it here, but I am
• 1:02:30
  trying to get the 912 ready to participate in a new California
• 1:02:35
  rally called the Trinity. The Trinity rally, the same
• 1:02:40
  woman who has put together the Rebel, The Rebel rally, which is
• 1:02:43
  an off road map and compass navigation rally has put
• 1:02:46
  together a, a road rally that is called the Trinity rally.
• 1:02:52
  And it's, it's three days and it's starting at the Golden Gate
• 1:02:55
  Bridge and it's ending at Sonoma Raceway.
• 1:02:57
  And I believe it's going to be a similar format.
• 1:02:59
  So you will do on road Rd. book sometimes speed, distance
• 1:03:03
  challenges and then and then an on track component to it, which
• 1:03:07
  I'm not 100% sure what it is. The wonderful thing about this
• 1:03:10
  is it's not just, oh, classic cars from this, from this date
• 1:03:14
  to this date, you can bring any car because there is just sort
• 1:03:17
  of like a modern class, OK, a modern class.
• 1:03:21
  If you want to, you could bring a Miata and you could do it in a
• 1:03:24
  Miata. You could do it in a Forerunner
• 1:03:25
  if you wanted to. Like, so it's, it's meant to be
• 1:03:28
  more kind of egalitarian and I think a lot of sort of more
• 1:03:32
  expensive and less approachable. Like the California melee must
• 1:03:38
  be just beautiful. But it's a fortune to enter.
• 1:03:41
  And so so I'm really actually very excited.
• 1:03:44
  And it's not just all for women. I mean, we're kind of
• 1:03:47
  encouraging that women do this, but men can participate as well.
• 1:03:51
  And so, yeah, I'm scrambling to try and get the the 912 into a
• 1:03:54
  into a place where she's ready to go and, and to compete in the
• 1:03:58
  rally. And it's in May, so I'm really
• 1:04:00
  excited to be doing that. That's so exciting.
• 1:04:02
  We talked more. About the 912 because I was.
• 1:04:04
  Going to say I want to hear about my, I want to hear about
• 1:04:08
  Rebel. But yeah, tell us about the 912.
• 1:04:11
  I asked because I drove my first 912 recently driven 1,000,009
• 1:04:14
  Elevens. I'd never driven a 912.
• 1:04:16
  Yeah. And it was kind of a revelation.
• 1:04:18
  Yeah. Like it was really sublime.
• 1:04:20
  And I found myself driving in a different way.
• 1:04:22
  And I just, I kind of fell in love with the thing.
• 1:04:24
  So what's the story with yours? There's a lot to love.
• 1:04:27
  So again, because of my, my, my father's connection into
• 1:04:31
  Porsches and those sort of early cars, you know, listen, I'd love
• 1:04:36
  a I'd love a 356, but they're just unobtainium, right?
• 1:04:39
  I mean, that is this is so expensive.
• 1:04:42
  And so I've kind of for a long time, it had my eye on a, on
• 1:04:45
  the, the sort of the nine O 1 body style of 911, also
• 1:04:50
  unbelievably expensive, but there's a 912, which is the 4
• 1:04:55
  cylinder version. Everything else on it is the
• 1:04:57
  same. The only thing that was
• 1:04:59
  different other than the engine was on the 9/11, they put a 50
• 1:05:05
  LB weight in the front bumper in order to balance the weight of
• 1:05:09
  the, the, the increased weight of the engine.
• 1:05:11
  So if you, if you do, I don't. And I would be curious to do
• 1:05:15
  what power to weight ratio would be in both of those cars and how
• 1:05:18
  different it would be. But ask Jerry Seinfeld how like
• 1:05:23
  how much fun those are to to drive.
• 1:05:25
  The one thing I will say is this, which is really
• 1:05:26
  interesting. You know, I found this car on
• 1:05:29
  Craigslist, which is kind of a weird place to find cars these
• 1:05:32
  days, But I had I had gotten burned like probably a month
• 1:05:36
  before I got scammed on OfferUp about a car.
• 1:05:42
  I Scott, I listen, they know how to get you.
• 1:05:45
  They know exactly what to say. They know you want it like, oh,
• 1:05:48
  is this that fine? Where you're like, I was the
• 1:05:50
  lucky one who found the $8000 car that some guy didn't know
• 1:05:54
  what he had and I'm not I fell for it and I felt like a fool,
• 1:05:58
  but I learned a very valuable. I only lost $250, but I learned
• 1:06:02
  a very valuable lesson and then I actually sold the story to
• 1:06:06
  motor 1. So I ended up making money off
• 1:06:09
  of it. But I more importantly to me was
• 1:06:13
  to be able to say to people, hey, look out because this is
• 1:06:15
  happening. And here are some of the things
• 1:06:17
  to look for. And here's how to safeguard
• 1:06:19
  yourself because it's rampant and it's so gross to me.
• 1:06:23
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:24
  I mean the catfishing. Yeah, you got catfished by a
• 1:06:27
  car. Seriously fell for it.
• 1:06:30
  Line and sinker. We're all looking for love, you
• 1:06:32
  know we. Are we're all looking for that?
• 1:06:34
  We're all looking for that barn. Fine, That's like the deal of
• 1:06:37
  the century. And so I, I was, I was a little
• 1:06:41
  bit bruised, but I, I kept looking because I really wanted
• 1:06:45
  one. And, and so I did manage to find
• 1:06:50
  one. I didn't know if it was a runner
• 1:06:51
  or not. It had been sitting in the back
• 1:06:53
  lot of some dude's friend's house for a year and 1/2 he had
• 1:06:57
  bought it because he kind of wanted it as a prop for his like
• 1:07:01
  he, he started a classic, like a vintage car clothing company and
• 1:07:06
  he was starting, he was doing retail stores and he wanted it
• 1:07:09
  to put in the store. And he's like, look, I never got
• 1:07:12
  around to, to, to cleaning it up or doing anything.
• 1:07:15
  I never, I never started it. It's was sitting outside for
• 1:07:18
  five years before I bought it. And someone had started, said,
• 1:07:23
  started a restoration on it and then quit because it was a lot
• 1:07:26
  of work. And so I went and I looked at it
• 1:07:29
  and I was like, this is probably the perfect thing for me because
• 1:07:32
  it's already kind of well on its way.
• 1:07:34
  It had a new floor. They had.
• 1:07:36
  Yeah, but you could tell that it had rusted out in so many places
• 1:07:39
  that they had brought in other little Frankenstein's monster
• 1:07:43
  parts to. It wasn't all original.
• 1:07:46
  Didn't care. Don't give a shit.
• 1:07:48
  I don't care about that stuff. Not important to me.
• 1:07:50
  And so I recruited my friend Aaron Robinson, who was a car
• 1:07:53
  and driver for 17 years and now is at Haggerty.
• 1:07:57
  And I said, look, would you be interested in, would you be
• 1:08:00
  interested in doing this with me?
• 1:08:02
  And he was like, I don't know. Normally I do like really
• 1:08:07
  difficult Italian 12 cylinder jobbies.
• 1:08:10
  So I'm not sure. But he's like, yeah, sure, why
• 1:08:12
  not? This could be a fun little
• 1:08:13
  project. And he very graciously, I bought
• 1:08:18
  the car and he very graciously, you know, jammed it in his
• 1:08:21
  garage for a year and we worked on it almost every weekend for a
• 1:08:27
  year. And I used his tools and I used
• 1:08:31
  his time and I probably pissed off his wife more than she's
• 1:08:35
  like, it's my time now get out. You know, what the heck that by
• 1:08:40
  the end of it, I actually gave him half the car because he had
• 1:08:43
  earned it. He had 100% earned it.
• 1:08:46
  I was so grateful for his help and his words with it.
• 1:08:49
  And we got it to a point where it was like it was a driver, but
• 1:08:54
  I will say this, it was not a refined driver.
• 1:08:56
  And all of those things that I had heard about, oh man, these
• 1:08:59
  are so much fun to drive and it's so great.
• 1:09:01
  Our throttle pedal was heavy, heavy, heavy.
• 1:09:05
  And I was like, this is like after a while, but I can't drive
• 1:09:08
  this for long distance. And we drove.
• 1:09:10
  First Test drive was up to Pebble Beach two years ago.
• 1:09:14
  And it made it. Made it fine.
• 1:09:16
  It was great. But man, it was really, I mean,
• 1:09:19
  it was like, oh, it was the suspension didn't feel great.
• 1:09:23
  It was harsh and it was just hard to drive.
• 1:09:26
  And there, I didn't realize this, but there was a gap in the
• 1:09:29
  window front windshield seal that was like this big.
• 1:09:31
  And so any, anything over 3540 miles an hour and it was like,
• 1:09:38
  it's just like, I can't whistle. But imagine a really irritating
• 1:09:41
  whistle. It was 6 hours to Monterey,
• 1:09:44
  yeah. This I'm like, I'm not getting
• 1:09:47
  it, like I'm not getting it. This is not fun.
• 1:09:49
  And and then a year went by and I drove it.
• 1:09:52
  I, it was shipped out to, to, to Virginia.
• 1:09:56
  We did the melee melee warm up in it and we won our class.
• 1:10:00
  Aaron and I won our class in it. And we actually were, you know,
• 1:10:04
  we won entry into the actual melee in in Italy, But of course
• 1:10:08
  it's too expensive and I can't do that.
• 1:10:10
  So there you go. But just recently I was like,
• 1:10:14
  look, I feel like we need to just kind of like fine tune and
• 1:10:17
  refine some things. And I sent it to a place in
• 1:10:19
  Torrance called Johnsons Alignment, which they do amazing
• 1:10:23
  work on on vintage cars. And they were like, dude, you're
• 1:10:29
  metal on metal back here on some stuff like your bushings are
• 1:10:32
  just gone. I needed new lower control arms.
• 1:10:36
  They put in new tie rods. Like I got a new spring plate
• 1:10:40
  and they did some welding and they re just replaced all the
• 1:10:43
  rubber parts I've got. I've got I've got tie rods from
• 1:10:48
  now from a 930 turbo in there. Really.
• 1:10:50
  Well, I know. But man, I, I was, I was like,
• 1:10:55
  Oh my gosh, like the ride in this is so much better.
• 1:10:58
  And then we were like, let's fix the throttle because the
• 1:11:00
  throttle like it just felt like sticky.
• 1:11:03
  And we undid all of the throttle linkage.
• 1:11:06
  And that is a complicated system.
• 1:11:08
  I mean, you're going from like, it's like it, there's, there's
• 1:11:13
  so many different like cranks and rods and it's not a cable.
• 1:11:16
  It's a big, it's a long rod and it has like 3 like 3 like like
• 1:11:22
  points where it sort of attaches underneath this long tunnel in
• 1:11:26
  the car. And then there's like this weird
• 1:11:28
  coat hanger thing that goes like, I mean it's like so
• 1:11:30
  German. It's like, you know that game
• 1:11:34
  Mousetrap, where it's like the thing.
• 1:11:35
  Goes click, click, click. Click and then the ball like
• 1:11:38
  kind of rolls around and it like does all these different moves.
• 1:11:41
  We realized that a lot of the bits were either super gunked up
• 1:11:44
  or actually jammed in the center tunnel.
• 1:11:47
  We found the old original like linkage boot in there.
• 1:11:51
  So it's just this like rust, this like gross deteriorating
• 1:11:55
  rubber bit that was just jammed in the tunnel.
• 1:11:57
  And I'm like, Oh my gosh, no wonder this is so hard to drive.
• 1:12:02
  We cleaned it up. We got new.
• 1:12:03
  Parts. We greased it, you know, and,
• 1:12:05
  and we put it back together and I just actually drove it down
• 1:12:08
  because we're putting a new windshield on it too, so I can
• 1:12:10
  actually see something out of it.
• 1:12:12
  It was like smoked and pitted. Drove it not have it whistle at
• 1:12:15
  you and not have it whistle new seals.
• 1:12:18
  My friend was doing some welding because.
• 1:12:19
  It had gotten a little rusty in the base of the the windshield.
• 1:12:23
  I drove it down to Oceanside last weekend and I was like, I
• 1:12:29
  get it now. I am so happy it cruised.
• 1:12:34
  At like 70. Miles an hour, 3700 RPM.
• 1:12:39
  It just hummed. It felt so good.
• 1:12:43
  It I I have the Sprint classics from Bredesstein on it.
• 1:12:48
  It drives like a It's a dream. Like a dream.
• 1:12:52
  A dream I love. It.
• 1:12:55
  I can't wait to get any. Windshield on it.
• 1:12:57
  I honestly. I'll daily drive that thing now.
• 1:12:59
  That's awesome. 100% that's amazing.
• 1:13:03
  Well, and I love. That you went with.
• 1:13:05
  Like, and I don't know if there's a term for it, but you,
• 1:13:08
  you made sure the interior was all updated.
• 1:13:11
  You guys put in a new interior. We, we, we gutted the whole
• 1:13:14
  thing. It was gross.
• 1:13:16
  There was like tall manner of vermin living in it and like
• 1:13:20
  pooping, chewing, fornicating, whatever it was they were all
• 1:13:24
  doing there. You name it, like what's
• 1:13:27
  happening. There were more.
• 1:13:29
  Spiders in that. Car like it was a Black Widow
• 1:13:33
  haven and well, the day that we put it in Aaron's car and we put
• 1:13:37
  it up on his lift and I'm not kidding.
• 1:13:40
  Like it's like they just did like a commando.
• 1:13:42
  Like they were just like, like all like, like, like putting out
• 1:13:47
  of the car and like he's like, fuck, I have so many spiders in
• 1:13:51
  my garage now even hate the thing.
• 1:13:54
  And so it was that was kind of like, yeah, there was a lot to
• 1:13:58
  do. So we gutted the interior.
• 1:14:01
  We watched a bunch of videos on YouTube and one guy was like,
• 1:14:04
  yeah, it should take you like 40 hours to do the carpet and we're
• 1:14:07
  like 40 hour carpet, just the carpet.
• 1:14:10
  And yeah, took us about 40 hours to.
• 1:14:12
  Do the carpet. Turns out he knew what he was
• 1:14:14
  talking about. We did the.
• 1:14:16
  Carpet. We did the.
• 1:14:17
  We did the. All the upholstery I did not
• 1:14:20
  reupholster. I bought a kit.
• 1:14:22
  Thank God for for like very easy to get Porsche parts in Southern
• 1:14:28
  California. God bless Pelican parts, God
• 1:14:30
  bless Sierra Madre collection, God bless Stoddard.
• 1:14:34
  God. I mean these guys, it's like
• 1:14:35
  honestly, it's like going to a pharmacy.
• 1:14:38
  You like call in your prescription and they're like,
• 1:14:39
  it's ready for you to pick it up the next day and you're like, so
• 1:14:43
  it so yeah, it was a it was a labor of love.
• 1:14:46
  I've never done an. Interior before and The funny
• 1:14:49
  thing is is we lifted we had to lift we pulled the seats out to
• 1:14:52
  do all this recent work and we're like lifting out all the
• 1:14:55
  bits of carpet and all of this stuff and and Aaron and I are
• 1:14:59
  like admiring our work we're like which is pretty good This
• 1:15:03
  thing looks this looks professional like you did all.
• 1:15:06
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:15:08
  And so now I, I, I, I'm starting to understand, like, OK, like I,
• 1:15:13
  I'm going to fall in love with this car all over again for all
• 1:15:15
  different reasons, and I'm just thrilled about it.
• 1:15:19
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're only going to go up
• 1:15:21
  in value and. On that note, we had Haggerty's
• 1:15:25
  John Wiley on a couple weeks back, OK, talk about his bull
• 1:15:29
  market list and then we followed it up with our own That car show
• 1:15:32
  bullshit market list. I love it.
• 1:15:35
  So cars that we think are going to go up and value.
• 1:15:38
  In the near future. And I've heard the 912, you
• 1:15:40
  know, and some of these lists, if you had to pick two or three
• 1:15:43
  cars, maybe the 912 is 1. What's on the Lynn Woodward
• 1:15:47
  bullshit market list? I have the bullshit market list.
• 1:15:51
  That's amazing. Just because my friend owns a
• 1:15:55
  Montero, I'm going to say the Mitsubishi Montero.
• 1:15:58
  I think that's great. Definitely, definitely on up.
• 1:16:02
  Is this your? Former Montero.
• 1:16:04
  No, I already sold mine. I probably sold mine at.
• 1:16:07
  Peak by the way, there you go. No, I just think I I mean I I do
• 1:16:11
  think there is still that kind of allure for those sort of boxy
• 1:16:15
  looking off roaders off roading is def over landing definitely
• 1:16:18
  not going anywhere anytime soon. So I would think that those kind
• 1:16:22
  of those, those vehicles that are not the really out of the
• 1:16:27
  kind of the out of price range like Land Rovers and old Land
• 1:16:32
  Cruisers like the Montero or or even an Isuzu, Yeah, the more
• 1:16:40
  accessible I think those things are.
• 1:16:42
  Definitely are definitely primed to.
• 1:16:44
  Rise, that's a great answer. That's a great answer.
• 1:16:46
  And the 912 too, I mean. And I don't.
• 1:16:48
  Say that just because I own. But because because everyone has
• 1:16:52
  been so priced. Out of the. 911 it's so amazing
• 1:16:56
  to me. I there is a crew of 912 of 912
• 1:17:00
  owners in Southern California. They've like become a little
• 1:17:03
  gang man. It's like, it's like the 912
• 1:17:06
  posse and they were in full effect at Luft 10.
• 1:17:11
  My car was very, very graciously accepted to that car show.
• 1:17:16
  It was again, right after we had finished Jeff's wort was, I
• 1:17:20
  mean, he put, he put me in a place I could never have
• 1:17:23
  possibly dreamed, I thought was a place of high honor.
• 1:17:27
  And I was very grateful for him. And he was so kind.
• 1:17:29
  He's like you earned this, you really did.
• 1:17:31
  And it looked fantastic and thank you.
• 1:17:33
  I got to be there. For a few people that came by
• 1:17:36
  and it was really fun to be like, this is her car and she's
• 1:17:40
  done all the work. I mean, he had it coming.
• 1:17:42
  He had it literally positioned in front of a barn.
• 1:17:44
  And it was such because it was such a barn.
• 1:17:46
  It was so cool. But there's, you know, there's
• 1:17:50
  Aaron's. There's Aaron's.
• 1:17:51
  Car with all the. Surfboards on them.
• 1:17:53
  That was Aaron Action. There's yeah, there is so so.
• 1:17:57
  Many like really wonderful 912. Examples that were there and
• 1:18:03
  yeah, I mean the first time I took it out to a cards and
• 1:18:05
  coffee, the first like it's dry run the first time soft launch
• 1:18:10
  is what we called it. Some guy was like, you want to
• 1:18:12
  sell it? Like he's like how much you want
• 1:18:15
  for it? And I'm like, bro, like, bro,
• 1:18:17
  this is my first time out. Like I'm not selling it right
• 1:18:19
  now. I got, I got a lot more of these
• 1:18:21
  left in me. We're just concerned.
• 1:18:23
  Yeah. Yeah, it was awesome.
• 1:18:25
  It was. Yeah, it was.
• 1:18:26
  Great. But that 912 I think is.
• 1:18:27
  Is definitely one that's that's one to watch for sure.
• 1:18:30
  Very cool. Great answers, both yeah, well,
• 1:18:34
  and yours. Is just such a cool example
• 1:18:36
  because it's got a. Red interior which is gorgeous.
• 1:18:38
  You guys did an amazing job on a red interior and me too.
• 1:18:42
  Yeah, always wanted a red. Interior.
• 1:18:44
  Well, and you left. The outside with the patina.
• 1:18:48
  On it, yes, which is so cool. Not intended, actually.
• 1:18:52
  Because we were looking, I was. Like, oh, what's?
• 1:18:54
  Good. I wanted a red interior that was
• 1:18:56
  not negotiable because I've always wanted a car with a red
• 1:18:58
  interior, especially like a sports car.
• 1:19:01
  And I was like, what goes with red?
• 1:19:03
  Like what goes what's great with like you could do with red
• 1:19:06
  combination. And I was like, OK, it was
• 1:19:08
  silver at the time and, and, and I when I bought it and I was
• 1:19:12
  like, but it's really like really rough because it's been
• 1:19:14
  outside for a long time. And I thought, well, Aga Blue
• 1:19:19
  was the first choice because I just love Aga Blue is so
• 1:19:23
  gorgeous. But you could also do like a,
• 1:19:25
  you could do white over red, which I think is really pretty,
• 1:19:28
  although I think that's, I think it's pretty and more more
• 1:19:31
  appropriate on an on a 356 is the white on red.
• 1:19:35
  And then you could what's the classic combo, though?
• 1:19:36
  You could do silver over red, which is such a.
• 1:19:39
  With such an iconic. German, you know, back, right?
• 1:19:43
  I mean, that's like kind of the, that's it, the Silver Arrow like
• 1:19:47
  era. And I thought, OK, great.
• 1:19:50
  Well, but I don't want to wait around.
• 1:19:52
  For two. Years while it sits in some
• 1:19:54
  guy's shop waiting to be rotisserie and, and all of these
• 1:19:58
  things. And also I don't have 30 grand
• 1:20:01
  to spend on a brand new paint job.
• 1:20:04
  And so Aaron and I made a decision and I said, how about
• 1:20:07
  we do the interior and then we just and we drive it and then we
• 1:20:10
  see in like maybe five years like how we go and man, when we
• 1:20:14
  finish that interior, every single person except one.
• 1:20:18
  My mom was like, of course don't ever paint it.
• 1:20:23
  Don't ever paint. It and.
• 1:20:24
  Now I'm I, I'm not precious about it.
• 1:20:27
  I could take it to the grocery store.
• 1:20:29
  Some guy hit me, hit my car. They were opening their car
• 1:20:32
  door. I was opening mine and they hit
• 1:20:33
  me and I was like, like, just like, be careful next time, man.
• 1:20:38
  Like, but, but I wasn't like my paint job, like my, my $5000
• 1:20:44
  paint job. You ask how like I would drive
• 1:20:46
  it so differently and I wouldn't get the, I wouldn't get as much
• 1:20:50
  enjoyment out of it. I have a good friend, good
• 1:20:52
  friends who they bought a launch of Fovea in Europe.
• 1:20:59
  They had every intention. Of keeping it like.
• 1:21:01
  Making it mechanically sound, but keeping the outside a little
• 1:21:05
  bit rough around the edges. They weren't they didn't care
• 1:21:07
  about it, but it had a lot of rust.
• 1:21:09
  And so it had to go to this professional guy.
• 1:21:11
  And then by the time they kind of realized like, Oh my gosh, we
• 1:21:15
  kind of went overboard with this thing.
• 1:21:16
  It had a beautiful paint job on it.
• 1:21:18
  I mean, it was just perfect, pristine, gorgeous thing.
• 1:21:22
  They had it shipped over to the United States and like a year
• 1:21:25
  in, they're like, should we get like just another one where we
• 1:21:28
  can just kind of actually like drive around and have a good
• 1:21:31
  time? And they just, I think they just
• 1:21:33
  bought, they didn't buy a Fovea. I think they bought something
• 1:21:36
  else just but they don't they're not touching the exterior
• 1:21:39
  because they really don't want that stress of driving around.
• 1:21:44
  Just a like a Concorde looking car.
• 1:21:50
  And I'm very proud of the patina on mine.
• 1:21:53
  It actually looks. It looks like a pair of
• 1:21:55
  distressed Levi's. It's almost too perfect.
• 1:21:58
  You can't fake it either. When you try to it looks.
• 1:22:02
  Like ass. So like I mean you.
• 1:22:04
  Have. You know the real deal, you
• 1:22:06
  know, oh, it's the real deal. Don't, don't, don't.
• 1:22:09
  Don't ever lose authentic. Patina well, and it just.
• 1:22:11
  It's like the. Patina and the fact that it's
• 1:22:14
  silver and then the the beautiful red interior, it's
• 1:22:17
  like such a cool combination. It draws you in and you're like,
• 1:22:21
  what is the story here? And then for Lynn to have done
• 1:22:24
  so much of the work herself, it's just it's such a unique car
• 1:22:27
  and it looks so cool. Well, and I was pretty adamant
• 1:22:30
  about a new interior. I'm like, I'm not driving
• 1:22:32
  around. On this janky crap, like, if I'm
• 1:22:34
  in this thing, I want to look nice.
• 1:22:36
  Yeah. And it's funny because Aaron was
• 1:22:38
  like, oh, it's slippery slope. He's like you're going.
• 1:22:39
  To like the inside and then. You're going to really want to
• 1:22:41
  be outside. And I'm like, no, I'm fine.
• 1:22:43
  Yeah, it's cool. I've got some, I've got some
• 1:22:46
  decals on it. Like we have.
• 1:22:47
  We have these decals that are half Brontosaurus, half Pegasus,
• 1:22:52
  because a friend of mine that got the same guy who's doing the
• 1:22:55
  helping me do the welding, it's kind of a tongue in cheek thing
• 1:22:58
  of the Pegasus, of the Pegasus, the Mobil One Pegasus.
• 1:23:01
  But we're not sponsored by Mobil One.
• 1:23:03
  We're not that cool. So it's the Sinclair
• 1:23:06
  Brontosaurus head and Pegasus wings and butt in the butt of
• 1:23:13
  the brontosaurus. And we're we're Pegasaurus
• 1:23:17
  racing. And there are four cars now that
• 1:23:20
  have those decals on them. Two of Logan's cars, his brother
• 1:23:25
  has another car, another sticker, another decal.
• 1:23:28
  And then our our car has the decals too.
• 1:23:30
  So we've kind of made this fun joke out of like, we're just
• 1:23:33
  like the cool, we're not cool Pegasus people.
• 1:23:37
  We're brontosaurus. We're Brontosaurus Pegasus
• 1:23:41
  adjacent. Yeah, Pegasus racing.
• 1:23:43
  Yeah, we. Had we had Logan?
• 1:23:45
  On the show, Gosh, before. Car Week last year, a while ago,
• 1:23:48
  we did, Yeah. What a what?
• 1:23:50
  Another great guest. Yeah.
• 1:23:52
  And he was amazing, Yeah. He made T-shirts for us that
• 1:23:55
  for. For Luft.
• 1:23:56
  That said, Pegasaurus Racing, we're only here for the food or
• 1:24:02
  the snacks. Maybe it was.
• 1:24:04
  We're just. Snacks, snacks, snacks.
• 1:24:05
  It's. A best Oh yeah, here for the
• 1:24:08
  snack. I love it.
• 1:24:10
  Yeah, it's been really fun to watch that journey.
• 1:24:12
  Yeah, but one more coming right on.
• 1:24:16
  I can't wait. So one thing that I wanted.
• 1:24:19
  To ask you about. Because I loved the picture that
• 1:24:21
  you posted of you in the car. I thought it encapsulated sort
• 1:24:26
  of the joy that these car we as car enthusiasts feel when we get
• 1:24:29
  to experience new things. And it was the picture of you in
• 1:24:32
  the Aston Martin Vantage S So tell me about that.
• 1:24:37
  And you got to drive it over the snake, which I have yet to
• 1:24:40
  experience. So tell us everything I did so.
• 1:24:43
  Yeah. So.
• 1:24:45
  Aston Martin has been, you know, I have been really fortunate in
• 1:24:49
  that I have been able to drive a lot of their, the sort of the
• 1:24:53
  later and newer iterations of their cars over the years.
• 1:24:56
  And you know, you, you, you realize that building
• 1:25:00
  relationships in this, in this industry is kind of is really
• 1:25:03
  important with the PR people. And some of those people have, I
• 1:25:06
  will say, have become my friends.
• 1:25:07
  And I hope they're my friends and they're not just like, hey,
• 1:25:11
  I guess we have to hang out with you because they're, they're
• 1:25:14
  just really good at their jobs. They're an outlet that we.
• 1:25:16
  Want but so I was. Invited to do a drive and
• 1:25:21
  sometimes for those, some of those cars, you know, it's, it's
• 1:25:24
  a really expensive proposition and you know, Aston Martin is
• 1:25:27
  not completely flush with money. And, and so they, they had a
• 1:25:31
  drive out in just in Westlake Village, which is quite close to
• 1:25:35
  my house. And they, yeah, they gave me a
• 1:25:38
  half a day with the, with the Vantage S.
• 1:25:40
  And so the Vantage has just seen a pretty, a pretty big refresh
• 1:25:44
  and, and redesigned a couple of years ago.
• 1:25:48
  And there was a drive, I think they did a drive in in Sevilla,
• 1:25:52
  Seville Fane. They invited me to that.
• 1:25:56
  And then I gave the trip to Jeff Glucker, my good friend and
• 1:25:59
  Glucker, because I, I just my schedule was such that it was
• 1:26:02
  crazy. And he, I knew he would be a
• 1:26:05
  really a wonderful representative and a just
• 1:26:09
  perfect person for to drive my car.
• 1:26:11
  So I was really keen to get in it because I had not been in it.
• 1:26:14
  And so the S is just a little bit judged, right.
• 1:26:17
  It's not, it's not an evolution. It's, it's not a revolution.
• 1:26:21
  It's just like an evolution. Everything is just a little bit
• 1:26:24
  sharper, you know, a little bit more horsepower, not a ton, some
• 1:26:30
  more stiffness, especially lateral stiffness.
• 1:26:33
  They've kind of reimagined the, the, the way that the, the
• 1:26:36
  subframe is mounted in the back. It's not it's now mounted like
• 1:26:39
  completely around. It's not just in like sort of
• 1:26:42
  places, but it's a complete, like they've completely mounted
• 1:26:46
  it sort of firmly. And so I think they set up to
• 1:26:49
  like 30% more lateral stiffness in the car, which is a
• 1:26:53
  tremendous amount when you're talking about like sort of, you
• 1:26:56
  know, the doing coming in and out of turns.
• 1:26:59
  They've, they've also, they've upgraded some of their software
• 1:27:03
  so that so yeah, they're, they're trying to kind of just
• 1:27:06
  sharpen everything. And I was like, oh, this is
• 1:27:09
  going to be a great opportunity for me.
• 1:27:11
  The Vantage. The Vantage has always
• 1:27:13
  traditionally been like their entry level car.
• 1:27:15
  I say entry level with like, you know, ha ha, ha.
• 1:27:18
  But it's still, you know, it's now well into six figures.
• 1:27:21
  And I think Aston Martin has also seen kind of a, a
• 1:27:25
  rebranding that they are now aiming for not just not just
• 1:27:30
  sort of GT car status, like sort of luxury GT.
• 1:27:35
  Now they're really pushing a performance luxury space, which
• 1:27:40
  I'm not sure 100% that a lot of people live in that space.
• 1:27:43
  I think you're either performance or you are kind of
• 1:27:46
  luxury GT like living. And so I thought, I actually
• 1:27:51
  think it's a really inventive place.
• 1:27:53
  If you look at the DB12, it really pushes the envelope of a
• 1:27:57
  GT car, like pretty significant and it's definitely more
• 1:28:01
  performance minded. So I was really eager to drive
• 1:28:04
  it. And I know that the snake has
• 1:28:05
  just reopened and it's basically it's this little stretch that's
• 1:28:09
  kind of if you look like trying to describe this to people.
• 1:28:13
  How do I describe this to people?
• 1:28:15
  So there's like a little like you can get off the road and get
• 1:28:18
  on to Cane at like a road called Cane and Doom, which is like a
• 1:28:21
  kind of a main, main drag that goes from the valley all the way
• 1:28:25
  over to the beach to to Malibu and yeah, down to PCH.
• 1:28:30
  But but Mulholland. It you know.
• 1:28:34
  Used to cut all the way through and there was this one section
• 1:28:37
  that was right before Kanan that was just, I mean it is just like
• 1:28:41
  me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
• 1:28:44
  I mean, hence they called it the snake and it was closed for
• 1:28:48
  seven years, a very, very long time.
• 1:28:51
  Now when I was a kid, like I, I think it was closed for that
• 1:28:54
  long. I mean, it's been, it's been a
• 1:28:56
  while. I don't know.
• 1:28:57
  I'd have to look it up. But no, I think you're right.
• 1:29:00
  But yeah, it's a long time. It's a long time and.
• 1:29:03
  So you would have. You wouldn't be able to cut all
• 1:29:05
  the way. Through to off Mulholland, you
• 1:29:08
  would have to kind of cut around.
• 1:29:10
  It wasn't significantly like crazy, cut around, get on to
• 1:29:13
  Canaan, keep going on Canaan and then turn right back on to
• 1:29:17
  Mulholland if you wanted to continue on Mulholland.
• 1:29:19
  And so I thought, oh, I thought, well, this is going to be a
• 1:29:22
  really nice place. And they were quite close and
• 1:29:24
  they had a drive route for us. And I was like, y'all, I grew up
• 1:29:27
  here, can I just go drive it wherever I want, hold my beer,
• 1:29:31
  hold my beer around. And they were like, sure.
• 1:29:34
  This is nice they. Trust me, like I've been around
• 1:29:36
  for a minute. I've I've driven their cars.
• 1:29:39
  And so I did. So I went, I actually drove it
• 1:29:42
  three times. The snake, I drove it up, I
• 1:29:45
  drove it back. And then I was like, no, I think
• 1:29:47
  I'm going to do it again. And I drove it back around and I
• 1:29:49
  did it, I did it again. So yeah, what a tremendous car.
• 1:29:56
  I mean, I've got a video coming out and that and that will be up
• 1:29:59
  on on our YouTube channel. But man, I mean, first of all,
• 1:30:04
  no one does an exhaust note like Aston Martin.
• 1:30:07
  And I don't know if this is still the case, but back in the
• 1:30:09
  day, they're like, we have, we have two guys.
• 1:30:12
  Their only job is to tune the engine note.
• 1:30:15
  That's their only job. You just make it sound like
• 1:30:19
  music and boy, I mean those cars just sound so beautiful and and
• 1:30:25
  like raucous, but in just like this, like elegant, like non
• 1:30:29
  like offensive or or disruptive way, and it's just so beautiful.
• 1:30:33
  But there was really I mean nothing that would that upset
• 1:30:37
  that car. It was just it was smooth, but
• 1:30:40
  it was powerful and it wasn't too much, but it wasn't wasn't
• 1:30:44
  it wasn't. It was just enough.
• 1:30:45
  The brakes like weren't really confident, but not like so
• 1:30:49
  grabby that like if you're coming out of your driveway or
• 1:30:52
  like that, you know, like you're this like you private.
• 1:30:55
  What a perfect car to go definitely experience on the
• 1:30:59
  track and have a really great time and at the same time could
• 1:31:03
  be a very I would say even a very quite practical daily
• 1:31:06
  driver. That's wild.
• 1:31:09
  I mean, how many cars can you say that about these days and
• 1:31:11
  it? Looks the business.
• 1:31:13
  You posted a side profile shot. I guess it's an oxymoron profile
• 1:31:17
  shot right of the car on Instagram.
• 1:31:20
  And it just looks so good, like the proportion of the wheel to
• 1:31:23
  like the spectacular sheet metal that just.
• 1:31:26
  Yeah. And here's the thing I love.
• 1:31:27
  Porsches I love. Modern Porsches they're.
• 1:31:29
  Fantastic. You see a lot of them in
• 1:31:32
  Southern California. Yeah.
• 1:31:33
  And to me, it's not unique. It's not.
• 1:31:36
  I say this about, I'll say this about the Lotus too.
• 1:31:39
  Sure, because especially the Avora, like the Amir is, it's
• 1:31:45
  lovely. And I think they're they're
• 1:31:46
  beautiful cars. But man, if you're spending the
• 1:31:49
  same amount of money and you have an opportunity to do
• 1:31:52
  something that's kind of like zagging when everybody else is
• 1:31:55
  zagging, Yeah, why wouldn't you do it?
• 1:31:59
  I mean, the, the the Vantage S has similar power to the 9/11
• 1:32:03
  turbo. Like, it's not like it's not a
• 1:32:06
  chintzy car at all. Didn't realize that.
• 1:32:09
  But the proportions like it's just, it's so beautiful.
• 1:32:11
  It's a very different driver because you're talking like
• 1:32:14
  different engine placement and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:32:16
  And but, but yeah, it was really, it was a really, you
• 1:32:21
  know, a spectacular driving afternoon.
• 1:32:23
  And there was, I saw one other car on the Snake.
• 1:32:27
  Oh my gosh, it was like, oh, it was a Tuesday afternoon.
• 1:32:30
  So. Go Tuesday afternoon because
• 1:32:33
  there weren't no cops either. It was great.
• 1:32:35
  Yeah. Because that's been a big topic.
• 1:32:37
  Yeah. Speaking of Zag.
• 1:32:38
  So Lindsay? Loves a good Pontiac Aztec.
• 1:32:42
  I have a soft spot for AK car town and country convertible
• 1:32:46
  with the wood on side. If you really, you know, yeah,
• 1:32:52
  what's your automotive guilty pleasure?
• 1:32:53
  Now we know know you a bit more. What's your, what's your
• 1:32:56
  automotive guilty pleasure? If you were gonna just really
• 1:32:59
  get something out of left field, I think honestly the first one
• 1:33:04
  that comes into mind is like an AMC.
• 1:33:05
  Eagle like I think those are like kind of just kooky and
• 1:33:09
  crazy yes as kooky as can be yeah that's a so I.
• 1:33:14
  Love. Like like a like.
• 1:33:16
  A 70s like van conversion that just has like thick airbrushing
• 1:33:21
  on the side of this wizard. Yeah, I think whatever, chick.
• 1:33:25
  On Unicorn like. Unicorn farting.
• 1:33:28
  Like I think I think something like that would be really just
• 1:33:33
  fun to roll up to in a car show and open it up and just kind of
• 1:33:36
  have like a BBQ out of that out of one of those.
• 1:33:39
  But something that would be a fan favorite.
• 1:33:41
  I mean, this is so Aaron. Aaron to me has like some of the
• 1:33:44
  best and most eclectic automotive tastes.
• 1:33:47
  He just bought a 1912 white and it's it's A7 seater and he's
• 1:33:54
  just like embracing this like old like 100 year plus car.
• 1:33:59
  Like he's gone pre war on us all and we I'm I'm here for brass
• 1:34:05
  era. Yeah, like it's so I went.
• 1:34:09
  So Lindsay, I think you and I were talking about this, but I
• 1:34:12
  went to this like it was this brass era like Christmas parade
• 1:34:16
  that they didn't stop Pasadena. Listen, you can drive a
• 1:34:20
  Lamborghini. Around you can drive a.
• 1:34:23
  Ferrari around and you're going to get a couple heads to turn,
• 1:34:26
  that's fine. You have never seen more people
• 1:34:30
  stop in their tracks and look at these things that are just from
• 1:34:34
  another planet. Like what?
• 1:34:37
  Like what is that? Like more eyeballs on these
• 1:34:41
  brass era cars than you will ever get on any kind of
• 1:34:45
  supercar? It's special and it's really
• 1:34:48
  neat. And so I love that I'm being
• 1:34:51
  exposed to something that I I just really have not a whole lot
• 1:34:56
  of experience with, with this whole other part of, you know,
• 1:35:00
  of the automotive industry. That's another thing that's all
• 1:35:03
  great about it, right? It's like, I know there's so
• 1:35:05
  much history, there's so much and, and there's there's
• 1:35:09
  something to love every. There's something to, there's
• 1:35:11
  something to love everywhere. Well, and talk about both ends
• 1:35:14
  of the spectrum and yeah, I mean.
• 1:35:16
  Just to give people a picture, it's the Horseless Carriage
• 1:35:19
  Holiday Tour, which such an evocative name for me because
• 1:35:23
  you just immediately know. And so how many cars
• 1:35:26
  participated, like roughly probably.
• 1:35:29
  I mean, they're probably like 70 cars.
• 1:35:32
  I mean, there was a lot. Of cars there.
• 1:35:33
  They were like going on this tour of lovely San Marino and
• 1:35:37
  Pasadena. And we were just like, it was
• 1:35:39
  nice. And people would stop and honk
• 1:35:41
  and look and wave and, ah, it's it was marvelous.
• 1:35:46
  Well, in San Marino is such a moment in time.
• 1:35:48
  I think, you know, like that's. Where father of the bride, the
• 1:35:50
  father of the bride house is and it's just, it's a lot of it.
• 1:35:54
  You know, they have like a soda fountain there still and a lot
• 1:35:56
  of it, it feels like from another era.
• 1:35:59
  So that's the most perfect place to enjoy those cars, which are
• 1:36:02
  obviously from another era. So I love that they're getting
• 1:36:07
  out and being driven. Switching the brake and
• 1:36:09
  accelerator pedals is really living too.
• 1:36:11
  You know the location. I did a story once for I did a
• 1:36:14
  story for Haggerty. About the first woman who drove
• 1:36:17
  across country. It's one of my favorite things
• 1:36:20
  that I've done that I'm most proud of as far as my work is
• 1:36:22
  concerned. And I I did was she did it in a
• 1:36:28
  19 O nineteen O 9. Maxwell and I couldn't find a
• 1:36:34
  nineteen O 9, but I think I found a nineteen O 6.
• 1:36:37
  And it was actually owned by the same guy who put together a car
• 1:36:42
  for someone to for a woman to recreate the drive.
• 1:36:45
  And his family had been had owned Maxwell's for a really
• 1:36:48
  long time. And he lived up in Northern
• 1:36:52
  California, right up like outside, you know, outskirts of
• 1:36:55
  Sacramento. And I went up to his he had this
• 1:36:57
  big farm and he's like, Oh yeah, he's like, you just shoot it on
• 1:36:59
  my farm. And he had a covered bridge and
• 1:37:02
  all this stuff. And I, Aaron is so great because
• 1:37:05
  she's all about the theater of these of these of these stories.
• 1:37:10
  And he's like, well, you got to dress up.
• 1:37:12
  You got to wear like a duster and a hat and like you got to
• 1:37:15
  wear the clothes. Like you got to wear the
• 1:37:17
  clothes. And I was like, wear the
• 1:37:18
  clothes. Like, what is this?
• 1:37:19
  I'm not in like cosplay. And he's like, I guarantee you
• 1:37:23
  if you do it, it will make the story like a million times
• 1:37:26
  better. And I was like, OK, fine.
• 1:37:28
  So I also invited my friend Emmy, who does what I do.
• 1:37:32
  And I was like Emmy Hall. She's a costume designer first.
• 1:37:35
  She went to Yale School of Drama for her Graduate School.
• 1:37:38
  Like she's this insane like so sower.
• 1:37:42
  And I was like, car people was how multifaceted we all are.
• 1:37:45
  All right. I was like, we're.
• 1:37:46
  Dressing up. I don't care how Gooberry.
• 1:37:49
  We look, but we're dressing up and we're wearing the outfits
• 1:37:52
  and we're going to drive this part.
• 1:37:53
  And driving that car was probably 1 of the hardest cars
• 1:37:58
  I've driven. I've driven tanks.
• 1:38:00
  I mean, I've driven a lot of. And it was really challenging to
• 1:38:04
  find, you know, finding the gears and, and, you know, your
• 1:38:08
  oil is just, there's no like oil is recycling through.
• 1:38:10
  It's just dripping. It's just like, it's just that
• 1:38:13
  that's how oil used to do. It would lubricate the engine
• 1:38:16
  and then it would just drip out and it would that's it.
• 1:38:18
  You would leave it on the ground.
• 1:38:19
  And that was then then you had to fill it up again.
• 1:38:21
  And then it was like, amazing. Yeah, but man, driving that
• 1:38:26
  thing. And learning about that car.
• 1:38:28
  And learning about how she and it was basically over landing at
• 1:38:32
  that point because there were no roads, roads were dirt and they
• 1:38:35
  were, you know, they there were there were only maps that that
• 1:38:38
  were from like the like east of the Mississippi, Like there was
• 1:38:43
  nothing like like West of it. It was just like, I don't know,
• 1:38:46
  let's follow some power lines or some cold, like maybe going
• 1:38:50
  toward a city. But learning about her story and
• 1:38:54
  what she went through in 19 O nine with she took two women
• 1:38:59
  with her, her sisters in law and their 16 year old neighbor.
• 1:39:03
  And they had they had some, some people who like accompanied them
• 1:39:09
  along the way, but she did not accept like help from them.
• 1:39:13
  And there was there was some repairs that that had to be
• 1:39:15
  done. Like I think at one point she
• 1:39:17
  did like an axle broke or something or she had like some
• 1:39:20
  of her tie rods that she needed to redo.
• 1:39:22
  But she tried to troubleshoot along the way and a lot of the
• 1:39:26
  techniques that she used using, you know, she they would pull
• 1:39:30
  boards off of a off of a fence and like jam them under tires if
• 1:39:34
  they got if they got stuck in mud, almost like I would today
• 1:39:38
  with Max tracks, like one of the traction boards or whatever.
• 1:39:43
  One of like. Recovery.
• 1:39:45
  Gear that they were like using. Like strips of canvas to do, to
• 1:39:49
  like to, to use for traction. I mean, all of these things, it
• 1:39:53
  was just like really inventive stuff.
• 1:39:55
  I think at one point their car, the car overheated and they
• 1:39:58
  dumped out their little perfume bottles and they went and they
• 1:40:02
  filled up the, they, they found some puddles and they filled up
• 1:40:06
  their perfume bottles with water to put those into the radiator
• 1:40:09
  so that they could continue on to the next city and, and get
• 1:40:12
  some get service from a Maxwell dealership.
• 1:40:16
  And so like writing stuff like that and like thinking of like
• 1:40:19
  those cars and you think about like the difficulty of that.
• 1:40:23
  And there was this like, super rugged woman who at the time was
• 1:40:26
  like, sure, why not? OK, how brave that was.
• 1:40:31
  How brave? Yeah, Out into the unknown,
• 1:40:32
  right? So brave.
• 1:40:34
  Super cool. Cool.
• 1:40:35
  That is super cool. That's badass.
• 1:40:36
  Yeah. So what was her?
• 1:40:38
  Where can we find that? Article because I would love to
• 1:40:40
  read it. OK, so.
• 1:40:41
  You her name was Alice Ramsey and you can.
• 1:40:44
  You can find that story in online at Haggerty, it's called
• 1:40:48
  Alice in Yonderland. I was very, I was quite proud of
• 1:40:51
  that title. I love it.
• 1:40:54
  But yeah, you can you can find it there.
• 1:40:56
  And and yeah, it was it was such a joy.
• 1:41:00
  I love doing those stories for Haggerty because I really get to
• 1:41:03
  dig into subjects that I normally wouldn't be exposed to.
• 1:41:08
  And they let me just go for, you know, 3500 words, which is just
• 1:41:13
  a beautiful, beautiful photography from James Lippmann,
• 1:41:16
  who is just magical photographer.
• 1:41:20
  I mean, his work is he can make, he can make magic out of dirt.
• 1:41:25
  Like it's so incredible what he does.
• 1:41:28
  There are a few photographers that I really, really love and
• 1:41:30
  respect and he's one of them. And I did another story for
• 1:41:34
  Haggerty about a woman named Helen Rother, who was one of the
• 1:41:38
  one of the first designers, the first female designer at General
• 1:41:42
  Motors and part of a very, you know, a large group of women
• 1:41:46
  called Harley. I think it was like, oh, I can't
• 1:41:51
  remember. But anyway, Harley Earl.
• 1:41:54
  Harley Earl hired a bunch of weapons in to be designers at
• 1:41:58
  General Motors. And then she she went off on her
• 1:42:00
  own and she designed a bunch of stuff.
• 1:42:02
  And what an incredible career. You will find if you do some
• 1:42:06
  digging around that women are really the ones who who were
• 1:42:10
  instrumental in turning rather, you know, sort of bland and drab
• 1:42:15
  interiors into really fabulous looking spectacles.
• 1:42:18
  Something that is so important to us today, right, With all of
• 1:42:21
  our gazmos and gizmos and gadgets.
• 1:42:25
  I'm saying it, right. But they'd come up with things
• 1:42:28
  like a tissue dispenser or there was one that had like a bottle
• 1:42:31
  warmer in it so you could warm bottle through your baby.
• 1:42:35
  Seems so modern. These are just really cool,
• 1:42:38
  inventive things. That.
• 1:42:40
  That that women were were really were really at the sort of at
• 1:42:43
  the cutting edge of. And and so I got to do a story
• 1:42:45
  about her too, and the Nash that she kind of designed the
• 1:42:49
  interior of the of the Nash, which was a car, frankly, I
• 1:42:52
  think was a little bit ahead of its time because it was compact
• 1:42:55
  in a in an era when these, you know, the big finned cars were
• 1:42:58
  so very much of of the moment. So it's honestly, it's been
• 1:43:04
  such. An incredible and.
• 1:43:05
  Varied. 10 years. For me, and I really do enjoy
• 1:43:08
  doing the the, the stories about the people because cars are
• 1:43:12
  wonderful and they're terrific, but we really connect with the
• 1:43:15
  people and that that to me is what makes it really special.
• 1:43:21
  That's so cool. I think there's a documentary or
• 1:43:24
  a movie. Coming out about that group of
• 1:43:26
  women, I just saw something recently.
• 1:43:28
  Really. There was a name for them.
• 1:43:30
  I know what you're saying and I can't think.
• 1:43:32
  Of it, of course. But damsels in design, I love
• 1:43:36
  it. That was the name.
• 1:43:37
  There was a book. I have a book.
• 1:43:39
  It's so. Good.
• 1:43:41
  It's so good and it highlights each one of them.
• 1:43:44
  I don't know if it was like, I don't, but Damsels in design, I
• 1:43:49
  don't want to leave. I'll find the book.
• 1:43:50
  I'll be like on for 20 minutes. But yeah, it's really
• 1:43:54
  remarkable. And of course, the second that
• 1:43:56
  Harley Earl left, the next incoming guy fired all of them.
• 1:44:00
  Yep, the damsels were disbanded. Much.
• 1:44:03
  I mean, Can you imagine if they had stayed together how that
• 1:44:07
  might have changed the cars that we have today or the I mean,
• 1:44:10
  and, and, and just women's participation in the automotive
• 1:44:13
  industry? Right.
• 1:44:14
  I mean, the to, to have to have had that kind of access and then
• 1:44:20
  sort of have it be kind of taken away.
• 1:44:23
  I, you know, I, I have done a lot of research and actually
• 1:44:27
  have a, a movie that I was writing about a woman named Joan
• 1:44:30
  Cuneo, who was a really prolific racing driver when she was when
• 1:44:37
  she was, it was back in, you know, the, the late 1800s, early
• 1:44:41
  1900s. And he was, I mean, she was
• 1:44:45
  formidable. She was, she loved racing and
• 1:44:49
  she was this tiny little 5 foot, one inch woman.
• 1:44:52
  And she was, I mean, racing against the like the the like
• 1:44:58
  the top racers of the time in these.
• 1:45:01
  Like alphas? And, and these like these crazy
• 1:45:04
  cars and she was, she was beating them like she was like,
• 1:45:08
  like she was, she was a force to be reckoned with.
• 1:45:12
  And the AAA were, were the main sanctioning body of the, of
• 1:45:18
  racing in the United States. And there were women racing in
• 1:45:20
  Europe and, and doing all that kind of stuff.
• 1:45:23
  Some really, you know, some French women and some British
• 1:45:25
  women. And there were others in the
• 1:45:27
  United States that were kind of dabbling in it, but they would
• 1:45:29
  kind of come and go. But Joan was really the one that
• 1:45:32
  was sort of she was like, no, I love racing and I want to race.
• 1:45:35
  And she was married and she had a couple of children and and
• 1:45:39
  she, you know, she had a kind of a rocky divorce.
• 1:45:41
  And this doesn't surprise me, but because, you know, she was
• 1:45:46
  just such a kind of an independent thinking and strong
• 1:45:49
  willed woman and she was so good that the triple AI think it was
• 1:45:56
  in 1910 or 1911 banned women from sanction racing really.
• 1:46:02
  And so she's sort of credited with the woman.
• 1:46:04
  Who got women banned? Banned in in motor in
• 1:46:09
  Motorsports racing. The next time a woman raced
• 1:46:14
  officially in a sanctioned motorsport wasn't until I
• 1:46:20
  believe it was Indy in the 1940s.
• 1:46:24
  So imagine if that had not happened, the the, the exposure
• 1:46:29
  that women would have had in Motorsports.
• 1:46:33
  And really it was, it was. So I think it was a lot of it
• 1:46:36
  was precipitated by the manufacturers because they were
• 1:46:40
  very much a win on Sunday by on Monday system and a lot of
• 1:46:47
  people died racing. It was, you know, I mean, even
• 1:46:52
  in the in the 50s and 60s, it was like it was, it was a very
• 1:46:56
  dangerous proposition. Very dangerous.
• 1:46:59
  Now imagine how how? A manufacturer would feel if a
• 1:47:03
  woman died in their car racing, and I think that had a lot to do
• 1:47:08
  with it on top of the fact that it was like, who is this lady?
• 1:47:12
  You know why she you know she doesn't belong here.
• 1:47:14
  Like and. Yeah, and.
• 1:47:18
  So I I think that. That kind of had a lot to do
• 1:47:20
  with it is that that was obviously a very different time
• 1:47:23
  and women couldn't even vote at that point.
• 1:47:26
  You know, it's like, come on, There was a lot going on.
• 1:47:28
  There was a lot going on. We were working.
• 1:47:30
  We were working a lot. A lot of angles and so.
• 1:47:33
  It was, yeah, it was. I just I think about like the
• 1:47:37
  opportunities lost that that perhaps could have happened
• 1:47:42
  where I think women are much more embraced now in Motorsports
• 1:47:45
  on some levels. You know, I look at Susie Wolf
• 1:47:48
  and I go, oh, like, you know, F1 Academy is so great and it's
• 1:47:52
  like, it's really amazing. I love how how rally, how WRC
• 1:47:57
  has embraced women as not just not just, you know, Co drivers,
• 1:48:02
  but drivers. I look at Leah Block, who to me
• 1:48:04
  is like, just like a, a, a force to be reckoned with and, and
• 1:48:09
  someone to look at in the future.
• 1:48:10
  Sure. And just a lot of a lot of
• 1:48:13
  interest with, with women in Motorsports again.
• 1:48:17
  And and that's just sort of building and building and
• 1:48:19
  building, which is fantastic, right.
• 1:48:22
  Well, are you think like Sarah Price just competed in the deck
• 1:48:24
  art? Oh my girl Sarah Price.
• 1:48:27
  I know. So proud of her.
• 1:48:28
  Like holy I know. She literally went.
• 1:48:31
  From there to stayed in, stayed in Saudi did her boat racing
• 1:48:36
  that she says she's on, she's on, she's on Will Smith's team.
• 1:48:42
  So she's the team owner, right? Hydroplane boats or whatever.
• 1:48:46
  Those things are race is. There gets back here and just
• 1:48:51
  goes and kicks some serious ass at King of the Hammers.
• 1:48:54
  I'm like, yeah, it's unstoppable.
• 1:48:58
  I got. To chat with her.
• 1:48:59
  At Destination Defender in the fall.
• 1:49:02
  And we talked about Dakar and then she happened to mention the
• 1:49:05
  boats. And I'm like, wait, also tell me
• 1:49:07
  about that. So much, so much that car, by
• 1:49:10
  the way. Like, oh man, if I if money was
• 1:49:13
  no object and I could have any modern car, yeah, that defender
• 1:49:17
  Octa. Oh yeah, Lindsay, I know.
• 1:49:22
  It's transcendent, It is. Just.
• 1:49:26
  Sublime. I mean, shout out Sam Allen.
• 1:49:28
  I know. Yeah, we had Sam on the show.
• 1:49:31
  Too. Before Christmas.
• 1:49:33
  And yeah, I I got to go for a ride in one of the octaves with
• 1:49:37
  Davy Jones at Destination Defender.
• 1:49:40
  And I mean, my smile was probably like what your smile
• 1:49:43
  looked like in the Vantage S picture.
• 1:49:46
  It was just, you know, ear to ear.
• 1:49:48
  And because it's such a remarkable vehicle, I kept
• 1:49:52
  saying like you're, you know, you're looking at the road
• 1:49:54
  ahead. And when I was there, it was
• 1:49:56
  torrential downpour, like truly set up for, you know, off
• 1:50:01
  roading. Yeah, but the inside was a very
• 1:50:04
  luxurious experience. The dynamics of that thing
• 1:50:09
  shouldn't. Exist in nature agree the fact
• 1:50:14
  that you are driving so. You imagine it's the same
• 1:50:16
  hydraulic. It's the same hydraulic
• 1:50:18
  suspension that's that McLaren uses so highly sophisticated,
• 1:50:23
  right? And really what it's set up to
• 1:50:25
  do is to not upset the car like you're trying as much as you can
• 1:50:29
  for stability and for balance. And so obviously in a sports car
• 1:50:32
  it makes a lot of sense in an off road situation when you're
• 1:50:37
  going it's like at high speeds. Well, OK, that's another
• 1:50:41
  application where to me it makes perfect sense.
• 1:50:43
  But what it does is it it almost, at least to me in, in my
• 1:50:48
  experience of driving it within Octa mode was I almost felt like
• 1:50:52
  because we've kind of had an opportunity to I got to drive it
• 1:50:54
  around like a track that they had made at this at this event.
• 1:50:58
  I almost felt like I was driving on a gyroscope.
• 1:51:02
  So my center of gravity was like here, and the whole car was like
• 1:51:07
  rotating around the center of gravity and it almost didn't
• 1:51:12
  matter what you did to it. But nothing unsettled this car.
• 1:51:16
  It was just like stable and just eerie.
• 1:51:20
  It was a little wild. It was so.
• 1:51:23
  It was such. A wild sensation that while I
• 1:51:25
  was doing. It I was like, what voodoo is
• 1:51:27
  happening here because it's so just not what you're used to,
• 1:51:31
  especially at that ride. Height when you're kind of
• 1:51:33
  experiencing. It in a car that's that's that
• 1:51:35
  big with huge, you know with these huge off road tires on it
• 1:51:39
  and it's just I was wowed utterly I was so like poof wow
• 1:51:45
  that's cool I'll know about this I need to experience this and I
• 1:51:49
  know one of these kids is not like the.
• 1:51:50
  Others here, yeah, it's. Special.
• 1:51:53
  And then you find out like she's going and.
• 1:51:55
  Doing that car in it and I was like yeah, that tracks.
• 1:51:57
  That's cool. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:51:58
  I know. Well, Lynn, I'm, I'm afraid we.
• 1:52:01
  Could talk to you all evening and we almost know, but I feel
• 1:52:03
  like we need to let you go. This is a new record, I think.
• 1:52:07
  A minute or an hour. 50 That means we.
• 1:52:09
  You know, sorry, No, no, we've covered a lot of ground.
• 1:52:14
  We've. Learned SO.
• 1:52:15
  Much. We have homework, we have
• 1:52:16
  reading assignments that we have to go do, which I'm very excited
• 1:52:19
  to learn more about these stories.
• 1:52:21
  But yeah, exactly. And we'd love to have you come
• 1:52:25
  back. But until.
• 1:52:26
  Then tell the people where they can find you to follow along on
• 1:52:30
  your adventures and where they can see your Kelley Blue Book
• 1:52:32
  videos and all that. Absolutely.
• 1:52:34
  Instagram is really the best place to to kind of.
• 1:52:36
  Connect with me on all levels and it's at Lynn and then two
• 1:52:41
  underscores Woodward because some other Lynn Woodward is like
• 1:52:44
  got the other legit thing, but that's fine.
• 1:52:48
  So you can Lynn with 1 N, Lynn with 1 N Yeah, Lynn.
• 1:52:51
  And then two underscores. I make up for the NS and the
• 1:52:55
  underscores and there you can follow along with all of the
• 1:53:00
  kind of all of the renovations that I'm doing on the Porsche
• 1:53:03
  and all the work that I get to do there as well as any
• 1:53:05
  extracurricular stuff that I do. I love, you know, hopefully
• 1:53:09
  there's another trip to Goodwood in my future, which going to
• 1:53:12
  England is something. So I, I do all of those things
• 1:53:14
  and I, I will document all of those things on my Instagram
• 1:53:17
  page. As far as finding any car
• 1:53:20
  reviews, if people need some advice or are looking to sort of
• 1:53:24
  to buy a new car or the Kelley Blue Book YouTube channel is a
• 1:53:28
  great place to find and do some research on and what we on what
• 1:53:32
  I do. And, and yeah, hopefully the
• 1:53:35
  best part about my job is I feel like I get to help people make a
• 1:53:37
  really intimidating and very expensive decision these days.
• 1:53:41
  And so if I'm able to help somebody figure out what What
• 1:53:45
  Car is right for them, then, then, yeah, then I've done my
• 1:53:48
  job. Perfect.
• 1:53:50
  Well, that's it for this week's episode.
• 1:53:52
  Of that car show. We're so thrilled that you were
• 1:53:54
  able to join us. This is a genuine pleasure.
• 1:53:56
  Thank you. And I say the same.
• 1:53:59
  Thank you so much and for. For allowing me to to visit you
• 1:54:03
  on the show. Amazing.
• 1:54:05
  Well, we hope you'll come back, please.
• 1:54:07
  Like subscribe and tell your friends.
• 1:54:10
  Thanks again for joining us. We will see you next week.
• 1:54:12
  And until then, remember, always be driving.
• 1:54:17
  Thanks, Lynn.