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The Late Debate | 16 April · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, general, welcome the late pay Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 1: It's great to have your company. I'm James MacPerson with
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Speaker 1: Caleb Bond and Caroline Marcus. How are you both very well?
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Speaker 2: Thanks? How are you?
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Speaker 1: I'm feeling very well, Thank you. Looking forward to the weekend.
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Speaker 1: It's my kid's twenty first birthday party.
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Speaker 3: Oh there you go.
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Speaker 1: Where was my Saturday night? Well, it's kind of a
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Speaker 1: young people's thing.
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Speaker 2: Have your speech.
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Speaker 3: Hang on, I don't qualify as a young people.
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Speaker 1: I thought you'd be complimented by the first time in.
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Speaker 2: Your life, the first time you're too old for something.
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Speaker 2: But are you going to roast him? That's the question.
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Speaker 1: No, No, I'm going to honor him. I don't like it
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Speaker 1: when you roast people on birthday. Something nice and kind.
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Speaker 2: Please.
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Speaker 1: I know because it'll be my birthday and I want
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Speaker 1: him to do the same.
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Speaker 3: So you don't my speech at my thirtieth you'll only
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Speaker 3: say nicely. James has got the.
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Speaker 1: Job exactly right. That's where the niceties stop. Let's get
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Speaker 1: into the program coming up tonight. The UK government hesitates
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Speaker 1: when it comes to following Australia's social media ban for
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Speaker 1: young people aged under sixteen eighteen days before new MP's
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Speaker 1: to be sworn into the South Australian Parliament, the Electoral
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Speaker 1: Commission has discovered uncounted ballot papers, and an undercover BBC
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Speaker 1: report finds illegal migrants of being coached to pretend they're
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Speaker 1: gay in order to be given asylum. It's the same
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Speaker 1: thing happening in Australia. We'll talk about that soon, but
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Speaker 1: first people in New South Wales can look forward to
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Speaker 1: Sydney streets being blocked by anti Israel protesters after the
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Speaker 1: government's protest laws were struck down. Today the Supreme Court
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Speaker 1: ruled at the laws, which banned protests in areas designated
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Speaker 1: by police for three months after a terror attack, were
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Speaker 1: indiscriminate and two wide ranging. In a press conference, Thick
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Speaker 1: with Irony Josh Lees, who spends his time protesting in
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Speaker 1: favor of Hamas run Gaza, said the court decision was
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Speaker 1: a win for democracy.
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Speaker 4: This is a big win for everyone who cares about
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Speaker 4: the right to protests, who cares about democracy in New
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Speaker 4: South Wales, and of course who cares about a free Palestine.
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Speaker 4: And for two and a half years now we have
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Speaker 4: protested tirelessly against endless genocide and war in Gaza, war
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Speaker 4: across the whole region, war being waged by the United
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Speaker 4: States and Israel on country after country.
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Speaker 1: Caroline Marcus, the floor is yours.
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Speaker 2: This just makes me feel sick to my stomach. And courts,
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Speaker 2: time and time again give lunatics like this the power
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Speaker 2: to just hijack our cities with their endless protests. I mean,
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Speaker 2: there's been a ceasefire in Gaza for several months now,
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Speaker 2: and I note that these same sorts of protesters have
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Speaker 2: said nothing about the Iranian regime killing tens of thousands
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Speaker 2: of its own people and directing terror attacks in Australia
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Speaker 2: and other countries, and sponsoring terror in places like Gaza
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Speaker 2: by its proxy Hermas. No, they only speak when they
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Speaker 2: can demonize Israel and demonize the West, including Australia. I
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Speaker 2: mean the same. This was the Court of Appeal. It
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Speaker 2: was also in the Supreme Court that only a few
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Speaker 2: months ago, these same protesters were allowed to walk over
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Speaker 2: the Sydney Harbor Bridge and stop all traffic across the
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Speaker 2: bridge for the day as tens of thousands of protesters
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Speaker 2: did their little march, changing absolutely nothing in the Middle East,
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Speaker 2: not making one person's life any better, but holding up
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Speaker 2: signs of people like the Ayatola just to show who
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Speaker 2: they who many of them really do support, not all,
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Speaker 2: but I would wager that a lot of them have
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Speaker 2: no idea what they're even turning up to protest. And
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Speaker 2: I also just make the point that when you want
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Speaker 2: to know who took this case to the court and
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Speaker 2: challenged it, it included this woman, Michelle Burkhon, who turned
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Speaker 2: up to the Bonnei memorial a day after the terrorist
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Speaker 2: attack in which fifteen people were killed and attack targeted
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Speaker 2: at jue wearing a Palestine in Kafir and had to
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Speaker 2: stand off with police until she's forced to leave. She's
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Speaker 2: standing beside a Greens local councilor there she was eventually
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Speaker 2: moved on. She said she blamed Israel for the attack
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Speaker 2: and she had a right to mourn as well, and
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Speaker 2: that it was Israel that had made places like Australia
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Speaker 2: more dangerous. So these are the kinds of things that
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Speaker 2: these people wanted to say after the Bontny terror attack.
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Speaker 2: And this is why New South Wales Premier Chrismins introduced
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Speaker 2: maybe rushed, but it required it at the time because
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Speaker 2: no one knew the terror attack was going to happen.
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Speaker 2: So these laws were rushed simply not to ban protests,
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Speaker 2: but to say that they wouldn't protesters would not in
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Speaker 2: certain areas be protected, have legal protections from things like
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Speaker 2: obstructing paths, blocking people, and that's it. People could actually
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Speaker 2: still protest. It was just after Bonny in specific areas.
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Speaker 2: So that's what the court has ruled is unlawful, unconstitutional.
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Speaker 3: This is what I don't understand. So it's been ruled
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Speaker 3: unconstitutional on the basis that it impedes upon one's right
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Speaker 3: to freedom of political expression. But I'm not entirely sure
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Speaker 3: how it actually does that, because it doesn't preclude you
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Speaker 3: from protesting. It doesn't preclude you from going down to
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Speaker 3: Hyde Park or any other park, or any other footpath
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Speaker 3: or any other middle of a roundabout wherever it might be,
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Speaker 3: with placards and a boom box or a megaphone or
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Speaker 3: whatever you preferred method of getting your message out is
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Speaker 3: and standing there with a bunch of other people holding
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Speaker 3: a protest, carrying on about whatever cause you want to
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Speaker 3: talk about. It simply says that within these defined areas,
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Speaker 3: which was the eastern suburbs of Sydney and certain parts
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Speaker 3: of the Sydney CBD. You weren't able to put in
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Speaker 3: a form with the police to ask to go and
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Speaker 3: block up the road essentially, so I'm not sure how
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Speaker 3: this law has actually prevented a single person from protesting,
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Speaker 3: or prevented a single person from being able to express
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Speaker 3: their right of freedom of political expression. They have not
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Speaker 3: had that taken away from them. All they've had taken
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Speaker 3: away from them is perhaps a form in which they
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Speaker 3: can do it, but the form in which they seek
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Speaker 3: to do it is one that necessarily interrupts other people's business.
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Speaker 3: And I don't understand why. It's the same as when
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Speaker 3: they got the right to march over the Harbor Bridge, right.
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Speaker 3: I mean, why do you, as a protest have the right,
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Speaker 3: Although you have the right to protest as well you should,
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Speaker 3: what gives you the right to interrupt everyone else's lives,
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Speaker 3: to clog up the roads, to clog up our thoroughfares
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Speaker 3: when everyone else is just trying to go about their business.
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Speaker 3: That's all this law really stopped. They didn't want hordes
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Speaker 3: of people moving through the streets of the CBD in
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Speaker 3: the Eastern suburbs. I don't see how that in any
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Speaker 3: way takes away your right of politically libors.
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Speaker 2: They also didn't want a disruption to social cohesion. After
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Speaker 2: fifteen people had been murdered in Bondi and forty more
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Speaker 2: than forty others had been.
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Speaker 1: It's telling right that they are free to have a
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Speaker 1: static protest at Hyde Park, which is right smack bang
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Speaker 1: in the middle of Sydney CBD. If you're in the city,
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't miss them if they were there. But that's
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Speaker 1: not enough for them. They want to disrupt and they
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Speaker 1: want to cause trouble for people. Do you blame the
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Speaker 1: Men's government for not getting these laws right or do
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Speaker 1: you blame the judiciary for being too soft?
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Speaker 2: Well, look it, I don't actually blame the Men's government,
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Speaker 2: but you know, I know that the New South Wales
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Speaker 2: opposition has had to go at them today saying that
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Speaker 2: the legislation was rushed, But I said at the start
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Speaker 2: that was necessity. They had to do something quickly. It
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Speaker 2: was I think an emergency Christmas Eve meeting that they
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Speaker 2: decided to put these in place because there were all
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Speaker 2: these planned protests that were going to happen straight after,
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Speaker 2: like a couple of weeks after the Bondney attack. So
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Speaker 2: this was to try and control that and put a
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Speaker 2: stop to it, something that would have really upset members
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Speaker 2: of the Jewish community, but also the wider Australian community
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Speaker 2: who just was sick.
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Speaker 1: Of that of judges being completely out of touch with.
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Speaker 2: I think the judge clar out of touch with the
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Speaker 2: community and community expectations. We've seen that with a harbor
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Speaker 2: Bridge decision. There was a good decision from the Supreme
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Speaker 2: Court and the right decision about the Opera House. You
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Speaker 2: may recall before Bondo, they wanted to hold a protest
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Speaker 2: outside the Opera House and it was it wasn't that
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Speaker 2: the court shut that down, but it was on the
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Speaker 2: basis of public safety because it would have been too
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Speaker 2: many people. And we obviously saw the scenes outside of
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Speaker 2: the Opera House previously, so that is precedent for them
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Speaker 2: to say these protests are not appropriate. It's a safety issue,
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Speaker 2: and I say, yes, I think it is more an
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Speaker 2: interpretation of the Constitution that I think needs to be reviewed.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm not an eminent law professional.
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Speaker 3: I'd be really interested to hear what some of the
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Speaker 3: constitutional experts, you know, the antomis and these sorts of
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Speaker 3: people make of it, because I personally and of course
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Speaker 3: I'm not a practitioner of the law, but I don't
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Speaker 3: see how it actually prevents you from protesting or using
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Speaker 3: your right to free political expression. Speaking of political expression,
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Speaker 3: it's a very strange day I have to say when
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanesi and the Tories in the UK are on
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Speaker 3: the same page, which means that Anthony Albanesi and to
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Speaker 3: Kia Stama, the Prime Minister, the Labor Prime Minister of
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Speaker 3: the United Kingdom, are on the opposite end of an issue.
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Speaker 3: I know what on earth is going on here. Well
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Speaker 3: over in the UK, they have been debating whether or
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Speaker 3: not to adopt a social media ban for those under
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Speaker 3: sixteen like we have in this country, and the Labor
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Speaker 3: government over there has rejected it. This was part of
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Speaker 3: a broader bill talking about measures to bring in safety
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Speaker 3: for people on social media online, etc. And so you
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Speaker 3: now have the Tory saying we should do this, we
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Speaker 3: should follow the lead of Anthony Alberanizi. Here is one
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Speaker 3: of their MP's, the shadow Education Secretary in the UK
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Speaker 3: for the Conservative Party, Laura Trot.
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Speaker 5: Children quickly learn that likes equal approval, They learn that
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Speaker 5: attention brings status, and too often they discover that sexualized
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Speaker 5: content attracts them the most attention of all. But the
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister has said that we're going to have a
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Speaker 5: fight where it comes to taking on technology companies. The
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Speaker 5: only person sounding in the way of a social media
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Speaker 5: bank is him.
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Speaker 3: I mean, of course, Sir Anthony Albanezi once said he
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Speaker 3: dedicated his time to fighting Tories. I wonder how he
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Speaker 3: now feels knowing that his policy is being adopted by
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Speaker 3: the Tories in the UK. And you know who else
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Speaker 3: has come out in support today of the social media ban,
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Speaker 3: Prince Harry.
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Speaker 6: There's so many countries have now following soon.
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Speaker 1: But it should have never got to about. It should
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Speaker 1: have never ever got to about. And now that the
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Speaker 1: ban is in place, now what follows.
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Speaker 6: Because the companies themselves have to be accountable and there's
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Speaker 6: no way that young people should be punished.
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Speaker 1: I've been banned from something that should be saved to use.
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Speaker 2: No more of what that billion dollar industry that is
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Speaker 2: completely anger and predicated on cruelty to get clicks.
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Speaker 1: That's not going to change.
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Speaker 3: Well, there you go. It's been reported in the newspapers
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Speaker 3: as well that he referred to the ban as epic.
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Speaker 3: I mean, who would have thought that we would be
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Speaker 3: so world leading. Under the Albanese government to overseas, they'd
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Speaker 3: be considering these things, though the Labor Party doesn't quite
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Speaker 3: like it. Over in the UK, there was one of
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Speaker 3: the mental health charity in the UK by the name
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Speaker 3: of the Molly Rose Foundation that did some research into
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Speaker 3: what's happened in Australia since the band was instituted here
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Speaker 3: amongst this discussion that's been happening in the UK, and
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Speaker 3: the research that they commissioned found that two thirds of
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Speaker 3: children in Australia are still using social media even though
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Speaker 3: the ban has been implemented, So the evidence would seem
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Speaker 3: to be that it's not really working. So I can
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Speaker 3: understand why other countries would go, well, really do we
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Speaker 3: want to sign up to that? Because is it really
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Speaker 3: doing a great deal.
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Speaker 2: I think you're not giving it enough time, Klob. I'm
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Speaker 2: fully in support of this ban, and you're not going
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Speaker 2: to find many things I agree with the Albanese government,
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Speaker 2: but I'm fully on board with this. As the mum
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Speaker 2: of two young kids. It terrifies me. I see what
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Speaker 2: it does. Social media does two adults like sensible adults.
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Speaker 2: It is so addictive and people can be so cruel
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Speaker 2: online and it is so difficult even for a resilient
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Speaker 2: adult sometimes, so how do children have any chance? I mean,
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Speaker 2: these platforms are built to be so addictive, So give
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Speaker 2: it a little bit of time. It has only just
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Speaker 2: come into effect a few months ago. There's going to
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Speaker 2: be teething problems. I think the fact if a third
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Speaker 2: of children are not on these platforms that already suggests
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Speaker 2: that I mean, that is better than nothing. Hopefully they
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Speaker 2: will be able to the ban. More people will learn
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Speaker 2: about why this ban is important, they'll get around the
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Speaker 2: loopholes that children are finding to still get access. There's
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Speaker 2: always going to be some kids that will find a
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Speaker 2: way around it. And just as there are kids who
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Speaker 2: will smoke when they they they're not allowed to smoke
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Speaker 2: or drink before they're meant to be drinking. But the
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Speaker 2: ban is still there in principle to say this is
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Speaker 2: very harmful. Just like alcohol and drugs and cigarettes will
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Speaker 2: proved to be, this is just as harmful for our kids.
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Speaker 1: The Labor Party in the UK have said they will
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Speaker 1: continue a trial that I think ends at the end
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Speaker 1: of May beginning of June before they revisit this issue,
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Speaker 1: so they may still follow Australia's lead. Bearing in mind
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Speaker 1: that given it's been a short time since this was introduced,
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Speaker 1: but Caleb is right, only well seven out of ten
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Speaker 1: kids say they're still using social media to spite the ban.
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Speaker 1: Let's say that trend continues. Would you still support it
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Speaker 1: even if it's not working. Well, I would because it
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Speaker 1: sends a.
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Speaker 2: Signal I would still support in principle. I would think
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Speaker 2: that they would need to do some serious work on how.
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Speaker 2: I'm not all social media platforms are banned. I think
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Speaker 2: that the kids are allowed to steal use some which
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Speaker 2: don't sort of make sense. Why not apply uniformly?
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Speaker 3: Survey was about the band one, so they using sixty
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Speaker 3: percent is still on snap checks.
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Speaker 2: I think some responsibility does have to fall on the
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Speaker 2: platforms themselves and what sort of technology they're using to
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Speaker 2: try and limit. Do they really genuinely want to limit
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Speaker 2: the kids who are on there? Are they just on
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Speaker 2: face value putting an age limit and if you say yes,
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Speaker 2: I'm over sixty, over sixteen and you tick a box,
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Speaker 2: can you get on? But why? I also think it's
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Speaker 2: important there's a lot of parents and families struggle with
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Speaker 2: saying no to their children when every other child in
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Speaker 2: school and their year group has access to social media
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Speaker 2: through whatever their own families decisions. This makes it a
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Speaker 2: lot easier for families and for schools to say no,
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Speaker 2: there's a band, you're not allowed. I don't care what
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Speaker 2: little Johnny's family is doing, and if they're letting him
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Speaker 2: break the law, we're not doing it at home. It
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Speaker 2: makes it that much easier as well.
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Speaker 3: It's the argument, but then it becomes the long arm
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Speaker 3: of daddy government. It has to step in at all
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Speaker 3: times to make things easier for everyone.
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Speaker 2: But sometimes it has to be that way. We have
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Speaker 2: laws against speeding and underage drinking and smoking the same
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Speaker 2: reason we.
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Speaker 3: Have laws against the purchase of alcohol by underage people,
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Speaker 3: But there's no law that says an underage person can't drink.
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Speaker 2: Well, you can't go to a pub and order a drink, you.
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Speaker 3: Can't get alcohol, you can't purchase or in a license
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Speaker 3: venue have a drink, But there's no law that says
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Speaker 3: you can't access alcohol at home. So I suppose that
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Speaker 3: the differences that your parents could buy you a pack
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Speaker 3: of cigarettes, they could buy you a bottle of grog
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Speaker 3: or whatever. That's entirely legal, whereas with the social media ban.
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Speaker 3: It's essentially saying an underage person is effectively banned from
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Speaker 3: using social media.
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Speaker 2: Right, yes, but it's I think that the laws in
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Speaker 2: terms of buying alcohol and cigarettes are intended so that
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Speaker 2: the young person will not consume these things, and that
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Speaker 2: is what the laws are targeting. They're targeting consumption. No
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Speaker 2: one is thinking that a parent is going to any
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Speaker 2: in their right mind by alcohol for their thirteen year
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Speaker 2: old or if they are doing that a fourteen year old.
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Speaker 2: If they are doing that, then I think they need
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Speaker 2: to question what kind of parent they are. And equally
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Speaker 2: with cigarettes, So why should they if we're saying that
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Speaker 2: consuming those products is dangerous for kids, which we have
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Speaker 2: scientific evidence when it comes to alcohol and cigarettes, just
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Speaker 2: as we have scientific evidence about the harms of social
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Speaker 2: media platforms, online bullying, the addictiveness of these platforms, Then
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Speaker 2: why shouldn't we apply the same principle.
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Speaker 3: Then why is it sixteen and not eighteen?
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Speaker 2: If it's because at sixteen you are start to mature more,
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Speaker 2: it's a little bit different to having the same It's
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Speaker 2: like driving a car as well. You can't drive a
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Speaker 2: currency sixteen you can start learning from I think the
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Speaker 2: age of sixteen or seventeen. Here in terms of the internet,
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Speaker 2: you're going to start to be more resilient and mature
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Speaker 2: from the age of sixteen. Now, some kids might not be.
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's up to a family's decisions, but you mentioned
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Speaker 2: scene it's there's still not mature, but you'd start to
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Speaker 2: hope they would be a little bit more literate.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned a lot of parents have trouble saying no
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Speaker 1: to their kids, and that's been a common call for
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Speaker 1: these laws to be implemented. I reckon you'd be a
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Speaker 1: fairly strict parent. I don't know that, but that's my
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Speaker 1: suspicion just knowing you. That's not a criticism, it's a compliment.
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Speaker 1: You've got young kids. How much pressure are you getting
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Speaker 1: from your own kids to be on social media?
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Speaker 2: Is something they don't even know what social media is.
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Speaker 2: But we did have an iPad for a short time
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Speaker 2: that we mainly use for long haul flights, but sometimes
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Speaker 2: we'd let us have a bit of screen time. And
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Speaker 2: I won't even let that happen at home anymore because
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Speaker 2: I was finding I've stopped YouTube kids, because I was
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Speaker 2: finding the constant scrolling, the constant need to move from
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Speaker 2: one short video to another. Obviously, getting fast dopamine hits
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Speaker 2: was really not good for him. I would rather have
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Speaker 2: actually watch a television episode or even a movie if
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Speaker 2: it's a special occasion, rather than sit there and flick
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Speaker 2: through YouTube, which a lot of people are doing and
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Speaker 2: realize that it affects their concentration and it makes them
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Speaker 2: constantly look for that next quick gratification hit.
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Speaker 1: Yep, that's an interesting point because a lot of people
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Speaker 1: focus on the content of social media. I maintain it's
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Speaker 1: the medium that does more damage, probably than the content.
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Speaker 2: I think it's both. I really do think it's both.
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Speaker 2: But look, let's move on to something else. Because in
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Speaker 2: South Australia they have a massive problem with some missing
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Speaker 2: electoral votes. There's a famous saying to lose and I'm
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Speaker 2: going to paraphrase here about votes. To lose one vote
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Speaker 2: might be seen as regarded as misfortune. But to lose
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Speaker 2: seventy seven no, I think it was eighty one votes total.
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Speaker 2: To lose eighty one votes, well, that's just carelessness or
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Speaker 2: is there something else going on here? Apparently One Nation
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Speaker 2: South Australian leader Cory Bernardi has threatened an appeal after
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Speaker 2: the result in Narunga from the state election found that
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Speaker 2: there were more than eighty missing ballots. They've suddenly been unearthed,
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Speaker 2: and the Acting Commissioner of the Electoral Commission of South
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Speaker 2: Australia had this to say.
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Speaker 7: The Commission has identified a number of unopened absent ordinary
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Speaker 7: ballot papers and declaration ballot papers that were returned from
20:37
Speaker 7: the District of Stuart. This included seventy seven absent ordinary
20:42
Speaker 7: ballot papers and four declaration papers for the District of Narunga.
20:47
Speaker 7: Following the discovery of the ballot papers, I secured the
20:51
Speaker 7: unopened ballot papers and have ordered a further count for
20:55
Speaker 7: the District of.
20:56
Speaker 2: Narranga, so they'll be recamp. We don't know what it
21:02
Speaker 2: will lead to. Obviously, we know that One Nation's Chantel
21:06
Speaker 2: Thomas one in the seat ahead of the Liberal candidate
21:11
Speaker 2: Tanya Stock by just fifty eight votes, so it's it's
21:14
Speaker 2: difficult to imagine that this is going to lead to
21:18
Speaker 2: a different result.
21:19
Speaker 1: The Liberal candidate would need to get seventy out of
21:21
Speaker 1: the eighty one votes to overturn the decision.
21:24
Speaker 2: Right, it's going to be It's very unlikely, but this
21:28
Speaker 2: could be a huge upset and it obviously calls into
21:31
Speaker 2: question the whole integrator integrity of the process, and Corey
21:35
Speaker 2: Bernardi told the Advertiser, this is an extraordinary development in
21:39
Speaker 2: what has been an extraordinary election campaign marked mostly for
21:43
Speaker 2: the incompetence of the electoral commission. How can we rely
21:47
Speaker 2: on the integratory? Why do I struggle with that word
21:50
Speaker 2: integrity of what has transpired now? There's plenty of questions
21:55
Speaker 2: to be asked, and I think the answers need to
21:57
Speaker 2: be forthcoming. But this is very shaky territory for a
22:01
Speaker 2: democracy right now. And he is right, because how can
22:05
Speaker 2: people trust in the process when eighty one votes can
22:09
Speaker 2: suddenly be found? What in a box somewhere and in
22:12
Speaker 2: the corner of the counting.
22:14
Speaker 3: How does an electoral commission? So so, an electoral commission basically.
22:18
Speaker 1: Has won one job every four years to.
22:20
Speaker 3: Run elections, right, and so the electoral commission, charged with
22:25
Speaker 3: the job of running elections and then counting votes, somehow
22:29
Speaker 3: manages to lose votes. I mean, what else is the
22:33
Speaker 3: point of an electoral commission but to run an integras
22:37
Speaker 3: election in which it counts all the votes that have
22:40
Speaker 3: been cast and then they come out a few weeks
22:43
Speaker 3: after Oh sorry, sorry, about that. We've just found eighty
22:47
Speaker 3: of them down the back of the couch. I mean, honestly,
22:51
Speaker 3: how is this real? And an exer the Electoral Commission
22:56
Speaker 3: of South Australia. It's not the only thing they've managed
22:59
Speaker 3: to bagger up this election. I mean their counting was terrible.
23:04
Speaker 3: A it took forever. B there are two party preferred
23:08
Speaker 3: counts were all over the shop, constantly changing because they
23:12
Speaker 3: didn't know whether they were counting between.
23:14
Speaker 8: Labor and Liberal or Liberal and one nation and Labor
23:17
Speaker 8: and one nation, on and on it goes. I mean, honestly,
23:20
Speaker 8: this has been a pathetic showing from the Electoral Commission
23:23
Speaker 8: that has one job.
23:24
Speaker 1: Well, there was one polling booth that didn't open until
23:27
Speaker 1: midday because there were no workers on site. I think
23:31
Speaker 1: they were sick. There were computer problems that meant in
23:34
Speaker 1: some booths people were lining up for an hour and
23:36
Speaker 1: a half waiting to vote. Could you imagine, I mean,
23:39
Speaker 1: you've got to be committed to democracy and I don't
23:41
Speaker 1: know how many democracy sausages you would consume ninety maybe
23:45
Speaker 1: a beer to give up on your Saturday.
23:47
Speaker 2: To do that, you waited for an hour and a
23:49
Speaker 2: half only to learn that your vote probably ended up
23:53
Speaker 2: in account.
23:54
Speaker 1: It's not just if they lost the votes, they didn't
23:57
Speaker 1: realize these votes were lost for what twenty six days
24:01
Speaker 1: and we're eighteen days out from these people being sworn
24:05
Speaker 1: into Parliament. So Corey Bernardi is absolutely right to question
24:09
Speaker 1: what on earth is going on with the Electoral Commission.
24:12
Speaker 1: And I actually think they're going to make the argument
24:14
Speaker 1: that the Electoral Commission is not funded well enough and
24:17
Speaker 1: that they need to be better funded by the government
24:19
Speaker 1: to make sure these things don't happen again. So I
24:21
Speaker 1: think that's where they're going to go.
24:22
Speaker 3: Just what they've done with education, right, give the Education
24:25
Speaker 3: Department more money. Indeed, and the scores have really gone up, haven't.
24:28
Speaker 1: They fixes everything? All?
24:30
Speaker 8: Right?
24:30
Speaker 1: If you want to understand why we have a problem
24:32
Speaker 1: with homelessness in this country, well let me make it
24:36
Speaker 1: simple for yours. Give you two numbers. Have look on
24:38
Speaker 1: the screen here from twenty three to twenty five of
24:42
Speaker 1: a two year period, the number of homes built in
24:45
Speaker 1: this country five hundred and twenty seven thousand. But look
24:48
Speaker 1: at population growth in the same period one point five
24:51
Speaker 1: million people. So supply and demand. It's not difficult to
24:55
Speaker 1: understand unless of course you're a Labor Party minister, you
25:00
Speaker 1: can argue that we've got to increase supply. But of
25:03
Speaker 1: course building houses takes time, and over the last five
25:07
Speaker 1: years the time it takes to build a house is
25:09
Speaker 1: increase by thirty four percent. So building homes is not
25:12
Speaker 1: getting any quicker, it's getting slower. But you can cut
25:16
Speaker 1: immigration immediately. So when you look at stats like that
25:19
Speaker 1: Caleb five hundred thousand homes built in a two year period,
25:23
Speaker 1: one point five million people added to the country in
25:26
Speaker 1: that same period, it's not difficult to see what needs
25:29
Speaker 1: to be done in order to sort out the housing crisis.
25:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look to be fair, it's not as though
25:34
Speaker 3: every one person who comes into the country into one house,
25:38
Speaker 3: so it's it's not like for lack. But even if
25:40
Speaker 3: we were to assume that it was you know, they
25:42
Speaker 3: were all couples. Now some of them are going to
25:44
Speaker 3: be singles, some will be families. But let's say on
25:46
Speaker 3: average it was two people, you still wouldn't have enough
25:49
Speaker 3: houses to make up for the number of people who
25:51
Speaker 3: were moving here. Plus you've got a natural increase in
25:54
Speaker 3: population in Australia because people are born and you have
25:58
Speaker 3: people moving out of home from the birth rates are dropping,
26:03
Speaker 3: but it doesn't matter because the people who are moving
26:04
Speaker 3: out of home are not babies there. They were born
26:06
Speaker 3: at least twenty years ago, right generally, so.
26:10
Speaker 2: They can afford to buy home. Some most people are
26:12
Speaker 2: just staying at home anyway.
26:13
Speaker 3: Well indeed, but they might want a rent, and of
26:15
Speaker 3: course we've seen what happened with rents. Rents go up.
26:17
Speaker 3: I took the other night when I was filling in
26:20
Speaker 3: for Paul on PML on Sunday, a really interesting case
26:25
Speaker 3: study out of Canada where they a few years ago
26:29
Speaker 3: under the Trudeau government, decided that they would crack down
26:32
Speaker 3: really hard on migration because they could see the political
26:36
Speaker 3: writing on the wall, and so they did. They cracked
26:39
Speaker 3: down really hard, and they're at the point now where
26:42
Speaker 3: they not only have net zero migration in Canada, they
26:46
Speaker 3: have negative migration. The migration in Canada for the last
26:51
Speaker 3: year is like minus one hundred thousand, so people are
26:55
Speaker 3: leaving Canada now, they're not importing at all. And what
27:00
Speaker 3: they have seen is a reduction in rentkon.
27:02
Speaker 1: If Trudeau was our prime minister, we'd see the same thing.
27:05
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, but they've had a reduction in rent now,
27:08
Speaker 3: there's not been a major change in housing costs across
27:12
Speaker 3: the board, and talking about buying a home, there has
27:14
Speaker 3: been a major change in the price of apartments because
27:18
Speaker 3: they're not flooding the country with foreign students anymore, and
27:21
Speaker 3: so the properties that were previously being filled by students
27:24
Speaker 3: and how far more affordable. But they've had seventeen straight
27:27
Speaker 3: months of rental price decline in Canada. So it's abundantly
27:33
Speaker 3: clear that the connection between immigration, high immigration in particular,
27:39
Speaker 3: and housing prices is real. When will someone in Australia
27:43
Speaker 3: and I know the Coalition have been making rumblings about it,
27:46
Speaker 3: and one nation certainly has. But when is someone going
27:49
Speaker 3: to wake up and say, yep, we absolutely have to
27:51
Speaker 3: make this connection and if you want to do something
27:53
Speaker 3: about housing affordability, you have to cut migration.
27:56
Speaker 2: I don't know why the government's so scared of this.
27:59
Speaker 2: I mean, as you mentioned with the Canadian example, you
28:02
Speaker 2: can have a very progressive country that can do this successfully.
28:05
Speaker 2: You know, it's not racist to point out that too
28:09
Speaker 2: high immigration is a real problem and it affects everything,
28:13
Speaker 2: including housing. I mean, I'm a migrant myself, and like
28:17
Speaker 2: many migrants, I'm against the idea of a too big
28:20
Speaker 2: Australia and too high migration, because that's not why we
28:24
Speaker 2: came to this country. We didn't come here for a
28:27
Speaker 2: decreased quality of living for people who don't share the
28:31
Speaker 2: values that we came to this country for. To pay
28:36
Speaker 2: enormous rent or not be able to afford housing, these
28:40
Speaker 2: are all things that migrants want to So I just
28:45
Speaker 2: think we need to end the idea that it is
28:48
Speaker 2: racist or xenophobic or even anti migrant to have this
28:52
Speaker 2: discussion and start doing something about it.
28:55
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what we could do. We could
28:57
Speaker 3: see seventy seven thousand people packing tomorrow probably be a
29:01
Speaker 3: We talked last night about the fact that there are
29:04
Speaker 3: roughly seventy seven thousand people, according to FOI documents, in
29:08
Speaker 3: this country at the moment, who should not be here
29:10
Speaker 3: Their visas have been expired, they ought to be deported,
29:13
Speaker 3: or their visas have been revoked, et cetera. Twenty five
29:16
Speaker 3: thousand odd of them have been here for at least
29:19
Speaker 3: ten years when they shouldn't have been. They're in this
29:22
Speaker 3: country illegally. Well, we find out today that last year
29:27
Speaker 3: they added that is the federal government now the five
29:29
Speaker 3: thousand one hundred and fifty eight to that number, that
29:33
Speaker 3: is the number of visas that were revoked. But how
29:37
Speaker 3: many people were deported one thousand, five hundred and two.
29:42
Speaker 3: I mean, no wonder they So we've got seventy seven
29:46
Speaker 3: thousand overall. You add five thousand to it in a year,
29:50
Speaker 3: you'd report fifteen hundred people. Now it's not clear whether
29:53
Speaker 3: that's fifteen hundred of those who had their visas revoked
29:56
Speaker 3: last year or fifteen hundred out of the total seventy
29:59
Speaker 3: seven thousand. But it doesn't really matter which way you
30:02
Speaker 3: cut it. We revoke visas. These people no longer belong
30:05
Speaker 3: in Australia. They're here illegally and we're deporting a fraction
30:09
Speaker 3: of them. How do we allow this to happen? I
30:11
Speaker 3: mean the federal gravam goes. Oh, you know, hard, hard
30:15
Speaker 3: to find them around them all? Job, boddy, job, what's happening?
30:19
Speaker 2: Are they fugitives? Have they're gone on the run? Like,
30:22
Speaker 2: why can't we it's which can't be bothered? I think
30:25
Speaker 2: there's no app real appetite for it.
30:27
Speaker 1: Well, you'd have to create an apparatus to track these people,
30:31
Speaker 1: and then you'd be accused of Trump like politics, which
30:35
Speaker 1: is cod racism, is Tony Burker explaining that it is
30:40
Speaker 1: very complicated.
30:42
Speaker 6: There are many different people within this cohort. So for example,
30:46
Speaker 6: you will have some people who accidentally have overstated viso
30:50
Speaker 6: who need to go in apply or may have already
30:53
Speaker 6: applied that you visa hasn't been issued. So there are
30:56
Speaker 6: people within the group where they're he's a national interest
31:01
Speaker 6: in Australia that people will want them. There are other
31:03
Speaker 6: people who have played a game.
31:06
Speaker 1: So that's all very boring. He was full of excuses,
31:09
Speaker 1: Tony Burke. Firstly, it's complicated, He went on and on.
31:12
Speaker 1: We could have played more of that clip. Then he
31:14
Speaker 1: talked about how things were actually worse under the previous government,
31:18
Speaker 1: and all of that is great information. But what we
31:21
Speaker 1: want is the Albanezy government which has been in power
31:24
Speaker 1: for long enough to actually be motivated to do something
31:28
Speaker 1: about this. All of that tells me that this government
31:31
Speaker 1: has completely lost control of our borders. When Chris Bowen
31:34
Speaker 1: was Immigration Minister, and you remember we had boats coming
31:38
Speaker 1: and there are all sorts of trouble last time labor
31:41
Speaker 1: in power. This time the boats aren't coming, but people
31:43
Speaker 1: are arriving on planes. Overstaying their visas and then being
31:47
Speaker 1: allowed to stay. We've got some people here more than
31:49
Speaker 1: a decade.
31:50
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they because no one is chasing them down.
31:53
Speaker 2: It would seem they're just going, Oh to hard basket.
31:56
Speaker 2: Oh maybe we want them to stay out. I don't know,
32:00
Speaker 2: seems to be the Home Affairs Minister's response here. I mean,
32:03
Speaker 2: according to this report and these documents, fourteen of the
32:08
Speaker 2: people were found to be a risk to the community,
32:13
Speaker 2: a danger potentially or risk to health and safety and
32:18
Speaker 2: good order, whatever that means. Are we're talking about fourteen
32:21
Speaker 2: potential terrorists we don't know. We don't know, but there
32:25
Speaker 2: were more than a dozen that were of serious enough
32:28
Speaker 2: risk who did end up getting deported. How many of
32:32
Speaker 2: those they haven't been able to track are also a
32:35
Speaker 2: risk we don't know. But look in the UK, the BBC,
32:39
Speaker 2: the public broadcaster there, has done a fascinating expose on
32:44
Speaker 2: what some asylum seekers are doing in order to get
32:49
Speaker 2: asylum in the UK. Now you've heard of when it
32:53
Speaker 2: comes to for instance, gentlemen, gay porn, gay for pay.
32:58
Speaker 2: This is gay for stay. These are asylum seekers, mostly
33:02
Speaker 2: from Pakistan and Bangladesh, who were faking being homosexual in
33:08
Speaker 2: order to get asylum to stay in the UK uh
33:13
Speaker 2: The BBC did an investigation using an undercover reporter and
33:18
Speaker 2: learned that immigration advisors migration advisors were charging thousands of
33:25
Speaker 2: pounds to help people fake their gayess in order to
33:30
Speaker 2: stay in the country. Let's take a.
33:31
Speaker 1: Look so.
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34:04
Speaker 2: The investigation also found that there were events that were
34:08
Speaker 2: being hosted by migration agencies for asylum seekers, such as
34:13
Speaker 2: this id party during Ramadan, which said it would connect
34:18
Speaker 2: and celebrate ad in a safe, inclusive space for LGBTQ
34:24
Speaker 2: plus asylum seekers. You can see some of the blacked
34:29
Speaker 2: out images of some of the people there. One of
34:32
Speaker 2: the reporters who went to one of these meetings. This
34:35
Speaker 2: undercover reporter spoke to people who said barely any of them,
34:39
Speaker 2: if any at all, were actually gay. Take a look.
34:42
Speaker 1: Those attending tell our undercover reporter that many people at
34:46
Speaker 1: the meeting are not really gay.
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34:58
Speaker 2: But most of the linium, I mean, this report had
35:05
Speaker 2: stories of people faking that they were HIV positive. They
35:09
Speaker 2: had the migration agents saying that they could set them
35:12
Speaker 2: up with partners to write documents saying that they'd had sex.
35:18
Speaker 2: It was incredible. I'm actually fascinated that the BBC. I'm
35:22
Speaker 2: shocked that the BBC did this story. And I have
35:24
Speaker 2: no doubt that something similar is happening here too, because
35:29
Speaker 2: twenty percent, according to a two thousand and three studies,
35:32
Speaker 2: so we don't have very recent statistics. By uts, twenty
35:36
Speaker 2: percent of gay asylum seekers got protection visas in Australia
35:42
Speaker 2: in the tribunal that decides these things. So there's some
35:47
Speaker 2: skepticism here too because the tribunal asks a lot of
35:50
Speaker 2: questions about to check out the credibility of it too.
35:54
Speaker 2: No doubt it's happening.
35:55
Speaker 1: It's not a gay either. I remember a story a
35:57
Speaker 1: couple of years ago where lots of migrants were becoming
35:59
Speaker 1: Christians and then claiming they couldn't go home because they'd
36:02
Speaker 1: be persecuted as Christians. And there's a big debate over
36:05
Speaker 1: whether these conversions were legitimate or not.
36:08
Speaker 3: Well, you know, some people say their gay others say
36:12
Speaker 3: that their children don't like Albanian chicken nuggets. So you
36:15
Speaker 3: know that's the state of the okay at the moment.
36:17
Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, we're going to go to a break.
36:18
Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines tomorrow.
36:21
Speaker 1: Defense Minister Richard Marles warns the world is the most
36:24
Speaker 1: dangerous it's been since World War Two and getting worse.
36:27
Speaker 1: So what's the government doing about it? That's next, all right,
36:36
Speaker 1: before we look at tomorrow's headlines, the US Secretary of
36:39
Speaker 1: warpete Hegseth and Joint chiefs of Staff Chair Dan Kin
36:43
Speaker 1: have been giving an update on the situation in Iran
36:45
Speaker 1: at the Pentagon. They've really been stepping up the language
36:48
Speaker 1: and giving the Iranian regimes some tough advice. Have a listen.
36:53
Speaker 10: As he continues to implement an iron cloud block eed
36:56
Speaker 10: and ensures that our forces are maximally pastured to we
37:00
Speaker 10: start combat operations should this new Iranian regime choose poorly
37:05
Speaker 10: and not agree to a deal. And that is what
37:08
Speaker 10: we urge this morning, that this new Iranian regime choose wisely,
37:14
Speaker 10: Which is where we'll start with a message to Iran's
37:16
Speaker 10: military leadership to the Cage leadership and IRGC leadership, We're
37:24
Speaker 10: watching you. Our capabilities are not the same our military
37:28
Speaker 10: and yours. Remember this is not a fair fight, and
37:31
Speaker 10: we know what military assets you are moving and where
37:35
Speaker 10: you are moving them to.
37:37
Speaker 1: They went on in this press conference to explain the
37:40
Speaker 1: US fleet was blockading all Iranian ports and points of
37:43
Speaker 1: entry into Iran from the Persian Gulf. They said thirteen
37:46
Speaker 1: ships had so far quote wisely decided to turn around.
37:51
Speaker 1: So there you go, Pete haig Seth laying it all
37:54
Speaker 1: out for the Iranian leadership. I guess we'll wait to
37:57
Speaker 1: see what they do, Caroline.
38:00
Speaker 2: I mean, he's issuing a threat to them, and it's
38:05
Speaker 2: in his usual strong, tough language, So we'll just see
38:08
Speaker 2: if they listen. You can never predict what either the
38:11
Speaker 2: mad Willers are going to do or Trump.
38:13
Speaker 3: Really well, yes, we could be back at the point
38:15
Speaker 3: of threatening to destroy a civilization, but the thing is
38:18
Speaker 3: you can only do that so many times without following
38:21
Speaker 3: through before it starts to look like you're full of
38:23
Speaker 3: the threat without actually doing anything about it.
38:26
Speaker 2: Yeah's talk about the papers, because the Courier Mail and
38:30
Speaker 2: the Herald Sun they're running the front page about this
38:34
Speaker 2: fire at the refinery of course in Victoria. The Courier
38:39
Speaker 2: Mail has hopes up in Flames as it's headline, and
38:43
Speaker 2: it reports on this blazing inferno. It's one of two
38:47
Speaker 2: fuel refineries as we know, and warnings that it will
38:51
Speaker 2: tip the country closer to direct government intervention. Experts are
38:56
Speaker 2: warning since this refinery in Geelong supplies of our country's needs.
39:03
Speaker 2: The Herald Sun says that Victoria is facing petrol rationing
39:07
Speaker 2: after this inferno because this refinery produces half of Victoria's
39:14
Speaker 2: fuel supply. So the Prime Minister is heading back on
39:18
Speaker 2: an emergency dash to be at the Beava energy plant tomorrow.
39:24
Speaker 2: And the Daily Telegraph also has the same story as
39:28
Speaker 2: as front page, flaming disaster, same headline as the Herald
39:31
Speaker 2: Sun there, but it's got this other story. This update
39:34
Speaker 2: on the protest laws that we were talking about that
39:37
Speaker 2: the Court of Appeal has quashed. The New South Wales
39:42
Speaker 2: government has not ruled out trying to again ban protest
39:46
Speaker 2: marches in the wake of these terror attacks. After being
39:49
Speaker 2: delta stunning legal blow, Premier Chrismins was left scrambling after
39:54
Speaker 2: this New Southwell Supreme court decision a judge today deeming
39:59
Speaker 2: them invalid. So we'll see if the new supports government
40:03
Speaker 2: tries to pass law laws that are similar to this.
40:07
Speaker 1: I hope they do. And they're also watching Queensland who
40:10
Speaker 1: have banned certain phrases to see how that goes.
40:14
Speaker 2: Maybe wisely so now while for the news because Min's
40:17
Speaker 2: wants to do it.
40:20
Speaker 1: He was the first to propose, and then Queensland went
40:22
Speaker 1: and did it yes, And now he's watching because he's
40:25
Speaker 1: worried about whether or they've got the legislation right. Perhaps
40:28
Speaker 1: he'll be even more worried now after his protest ban.
40:30
Speaker 2: No doubt they would challenge that in court too.
40:33
Speaker 1: Just on that refinery fire, Caleb, I had to laugh
40:36
Speaker 1: at some of the comments this morning. We had the
40:38
Speaker 1: Australian Workers Union official say quote unquote, clearly something's gone wrong,
40:43
Speaker 1: which I thought was great analysis. Chris Bowen said, and
40:47
Speaker 1: I quote it's not a positive development about the flaming refinery.
40:52
Speaker 1: But my favorite was Victorian Energy Minister Lily Diambrosio. She
40:57
Speaker 1: said that there was no immediate impact on full supply,
41:01
Speaker 1: right after which Chris Bowen said it would be foolish
41:03
Speaker 1: to quote pretend somehow this wasn't going to have some
41:06
Speaker 1: sort of impact on fuel supply. It was an absolute
41:10
Speaker 1: clown show this morning. I mean, and the fire was
41:12
Speaker 1: not funny, but the responses were, yeah, it would be
41:15
Speaker 1: funny if it wasn't so.
41:16
Speaker 3: Serious as well. This isn't good timing. It's a setback.
41:20
Speaker 3: I mean really, I wouldn't have known. It's a bit
41:23
Speaker 3: like the ad saying, you know, take your roof racks
41:26
Speaker 3: off because the weight means you used more fuel.
41:29
Speaker 2: Ah haha.
41:29
Speaker 3: Would have had no idea if the government hadn't told me.
41:33
Speaker 3: But what it exposes, of course, is that you know,
41:36
Speaker 3: we are so heavily reliant on imports and we don't
41:40
Speaker 3: have the sovereign capability that if we're now talking about,
41:43
Speaker 3: you know, rationing in Victoria because one refinery has has
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Speaker 3: gone up in flame, part of one refinery has gone
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Speaker 3: up in flames, then we're in deep trouble. And meanwhile
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Speaker 3: we've got the Prime Minister going overseas crowing about the
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Speaker 3: fact that he's managed to get one hundred million liters
41:59
Speaker 3: of des when in Australia we go through about ninety
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Speaker 3: two million leaders of diesel every day. So the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister has secured in total from two countries about one
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Speaker 3: day's worth of diesel fuel.
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Speaker 2: Would he have used on his private jet. Well, I'm
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Speaker 2: back to Australia heading over.
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Speaker 1: That, so Jim Charmers took off to the US as
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Speaker 1: well for meetings flying. Of course, I.
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Speaker 3: Think part of the refinery that went.
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Speaker 1: Up was the bit that deals with jet fuel as well.
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Speaker 3: So there you go. He might have to put total
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Speaker 3: on the back burner. And while we're talking about fuel
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Speaker 3: on the Gold Coast bulletin tomorrow, it's his pump up
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Speaker 3: front line. Gold Coast Frontline Services are demanding essential worker
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Speaker 3: status to prevent the nation's fuel crisis from swamping already
42:44
Speaker 3: busy emergency departments. A High needs NDAs service said fuel
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Speaker 3: costs double in a month, turning a financial squeeze into
42:52
Speaker 3: a direct threat to participant safety. I mean, I guess
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Speaker 3: what they're suggesting is that they should be able to
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Speaker 3: get cheap fuel or free fuel or something.
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Speaker 1: So want more money from the government so they.
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Speaker 3: Their work so that then people won't go into eds instead.
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Speaker 3: And I mean, I get what they're saying, but where
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Speaker 3: does that end once you start subsidizing one sector, when
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Speaker 3: everyone will argue that they deserve subsidies. I mean, I
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Speaker 3: think was it in the UK teachers were saying The
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Speaker 3: Teachers Union over there a week or two ago was
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Speaker 3: saying that if it gets to the point of fuel rationing,
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Speaker 3: teachers should be first in line to get fuel because
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Speaker 3: they have to be able to go to school to
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Speaker 3: teach the children. Then you'll have the CFMEU will be
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Speaker 3: arguing that their members deserve to be first in line
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Speaker 3: to get fuel because of course, if we stop all
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Speaker 3: the construction, well we're in a housing crisis, so what
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Speaker 3: can we possibly do about that. Everyone will want their
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Speaker 3: piece of the pie if we start subsidized.
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Speaker 1: And how do you reckon the general public will react
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Speaker 1: to NDIS support workers putting their hand out for more money.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that will go down.
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Speaker 2: To the amount of routing that we've seen and DIIS
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Speaker 2: I don't think it will be received too well either.
44:00
Speaker 2: Let's go to the Australia now, and there's a couple
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Speaker 2: of stories here that we want to focus on. The
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Speaker 2: first is Miles misfires with defense spending boost that falls short,
44:10
Speaker 2: and this is of course about Labour's defense spending announcement today.
44:15
Speaker 2: Labor has pledged a fivefold funding boost for missile defense
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Speaker 2: systems and its new ten year weapons investment blueprint, as
44:24
Speaker 2: Defense Minister Richard Miles claims a fifty three billion dollar
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Speaker 2: boost to military spending over the coming decade as a
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Speaker 2: personal victory in Labour's Expenditure Review Committee. There's also another
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Speaker 2: story about a Liberal leader, Angus Taylor, hitting back at
44:42
Speaker 2: Paul Keating, who has criticized the coalition's new immigration policy.
44:48
Speaker 2: The former Labor Prime minister accusing the opposition leader of
44:52
Speaker 2: embracing racism out of fear of losing votes to one nation.
44:58
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty extraordinary that they could call an
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Speaker 2: immigration policy centered around saying if you don't like it here,
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Speaker 2: if you don't share our values, we don't want you here.
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Speaker 2: As racist.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a predictable and infantile response to just
45:14
Speaker 1: reduce the whole immigration debate to you're either racist or
45:17
Speaker 1: you're a good person. But they did that with a
45:20
Speaker 1: nuclear debate too, didn't they. You can have free eyed
45:22
Speaker 1: fish or you can typical labor, and it doesn't bode
45:27
Speaker 1: well for good public debate. We're going to go to
45:29
Speaker 1: a break when we come back. Unlucky, you're stupid one
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Speaker 1: guy caught by the same speed camera three times in
45:35
Speaker 1: sixteen minutes. That's coming up, all right, Caroline Marcus, I reckon.
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Speaker 1: As well as being a pretty strict parent, you'd be
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Speaker 1: a very good driver.
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Speaker 2: Too, Thank you, Thank you. Can you tell that to
45:49
Speaker 2: my husband, please don't.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: I am pretty good driver, and it has been a
45:53
Speaker 2: while since I got a speed speeding fine. But this
45:56
Speaker 2: pool guy on the Gold Coast, you have to almost
45:58
Speaker 2: feel for him. He got three speeding fines from the
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Speaker 2: same speed camera in the space of sixteen minutes. Now,
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Speaker 2: he was driving in the Gold Coast. He's an accountant.
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Speaker 2: He had in Charter's towers, and he went past one
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Speaker 2: speeding camera once, driving seventy two kilometers an hour in
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Speaker 2: a sixty zone. And then he realized he was going
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Speaker 2: the wrong way. He turned back around and was stung again.
46:27
Speaker 2: And then he realized no, he actually needed to go
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Speaker 2: back in that direction, so he was stung a third time. Now,
46:32
Speaker 2: this all happened within sixteen minutes, and he got collective
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Speaker 2: fines of two hundred and twenty eight dollars. The problem
46:40
Speaker 2: was he then challenged it. Well, he just asked why
46:43
Speaker 2: he was getting three different fines, and they took him
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Speaker 2: to court, where he ended up having to pay a
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Speaker 2: total of two thousand dollars in both the speeding and
46:55
Speaker 2: covering the costs of the TMR the Department of Transport Roads.
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Speaker 2: So poor guy ended up paying even more just to
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Speaker 2: get stung three times by.
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Speaker 1: The same One would answer, unlucky or stupid.
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Speaker 2: That's stupid. I mean he was speeding at the end
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Speaker 2: of the day.
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Speaker 3: Get rid of the speed cam.
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Speaker 1: Caleb on that one, all right. A couple of pilots
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Speaker 1: in the US decided to communicate with each other over
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Speaker 1: the radio using dog and cat noises. Needless to say,
47:26
Speaker 1: air traffic control were none too impress. Now, before you
47:28
Speaker 1: watch what happens, just so you can understand it, r
47:31
Speaker 1: J stands for Regional jet. Here's what went down.
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Speaker 9: Now, he guys, you need a big profession of.
47:46
Speaker 3: This is why he's still playing OJET.
47:49
Speaker 1: And I suggest they'll be flying regional jets for a
47:52
Speaker 1: while to come. Maybe the reason why air traffic control
47:55
Speaker 1: was so ticked off with this was it was at
47:58
Speaker 1: Reagan National Airport. We're not that long ago. Sixty seven
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Speaker 1: people died when a jet collided with a black Hawk helicopter,
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Speaker 1: so they are not taking any rubbish from any pilots,
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Speaker 1: especially those communicating with meals and woolfs.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, whatever language works for you, I suppose.
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Speaker 2: You just take that in a really serious turn hard no.
48:23
Speaker 3: Dark speaking of serious A copper in Horsham in Victoria,
48:28
Speaker 3: of course, how great mate Tim Blair resids he has
48:32
Speaker 3: taken it upon himself to see how many McDonald's chicken
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Speaker 3: nuggets he can consume in the space of ten minutes. Now,
48:38
Speaker 3: I don't know whether he was on the clock when
48:40
Speaker 3: he did this or not, but it's gone off in
48:42
Speaker 3: their internal messaging system amongst the cops. Turns out he
48:46
Speaker 3: managed to eat fifty five chicken McNuggets in the space
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Speaker 3: of ten minutes, and his colleagues were most impressed by
48:53
Speaker 3: this one. Even pender poem their messaging service that said,
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Speaker 3: fifty five nuggets stacked high on a tray. Your mission
48:59
Speaker 3: accepted by this bloke's name. Ten minutes ticking the clock
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Speaker 3: starts to race with sauce on his fingers and grit
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Speaker 3: on his face. I mean, this bloke will now be
49:08
Speaker 3: the champion of horseshops.
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Speaker 2: I just haven't even have to chase any armed defenders
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Speaker 2: down the street like.
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Speaker 3: No protein, give him the power to get going.
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Speaker 1: I reckon there would have been a nugget later that
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Speaker 1: night that's from US stick Around. Coming up is the
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