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#561 - G-Eazy - pressure to make another "HIT", dealing with grief, FDT Remix, Adin Ross, Drake & Much More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: the interview.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's hoop? This is young Jerald g Eazy. Check
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  Speaker 2: me out on my brother Blue Leg Cavs podcast. Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Yo Boutlet cap show, Bluelet Cap Podcast special guests in
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  Speaker 1: here my brother Man.
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  Speaker 2: Easy Yeah, Yeah, welcome yeah Man. The new album is
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  Speaker 2: that it feels good to be here Man, Yes, sir
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  Speaker 2: Man an overdue, super overdue brother.
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  Speaker 1: The new album Helium, Yeah, it's out now. Why the
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  Speaker 1: name helium?
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  Speaker 2: Helium? Uh well, it started with the song and I
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  Speaker 2: just I think that word is interesting, and then the
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  Speaker 2: metaphor of like something that you know you associated with,
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  Speaker 2: you know, birthday balloons, celebration, you know, but it's fleeting,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like like a balloon that could be bright
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  Speaker 2: and then it's flying, you know what I'm saying, could
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  Speaker 2: also deflate and you know, it goes up, comes down
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  Speaker 2: and it's like the fleetingness of you know, of these spikes,
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  Speaker 2: these highs, these you know that comes with life, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and also love, like something could lift you up, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, if it gets too high, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean, you lose it, or if you hold
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  Speaker 2: it too long, you know what I mean, it deflates.
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  Speaker 2: And just kind of that I've always too all my music,
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  Speaker 2: all my albums, I feel like, you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: the Gemini nature, you know, but I've always written about
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  Speaker 2: the hasandlos, right, right down to get in the bad,
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  Speaker 2: the dark in the light. So it just it just
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  Speaker 2: kind of fit. And I just think that word is
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  Speaker 2: it's a good word. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. You have a song on here called after Dark. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that is like a pretty like because you have these
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't say the girl's name on the
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  Speaker 1: on the verse, but I think you blunk it out.
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  Speaker 1: But I've met I might have met the fan you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about, because I met a fan of yours at
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  Speaker 1: a show in Orlando that had an insane amount of
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  Speaker 1: your tattoos on their body. Yeah, but the whole entire
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  Speaker 1: For people who don't know the song, go listen.
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  Speaker 2: Well you should go listen to it.
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  Speaker 1: But it's also interesting take because it's like you have
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  Speaker 1: these fans that are like, Yeah, particularly this one fan
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  Speaker 1: who so dedicated to you, she gets a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: tattoos and you see her at every single tour stop,
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  Speaker 1: and then you eventually stop seeing her kind of break
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  Speaker 1: down that record.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So basically, I mean, as much as it is, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's there's individual people that it's about. I
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  Speaker 2: try not to ever write like anything that's so specific.
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  Speaker 2: You have poetic license, you have creative freedom. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. And I don't want to single anybody out, sure,
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  Speaker 2: but it's it's basically a culmination of like so early
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  Speaker 2: in my career. I remember the first times because I've
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  Speaker 2: always done meet and greets. I've always you know, hand
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  Speaker 2: to hand, fan to fan, like face to face, like
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  Speaker 2: that's how I built my whole core, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: then I would see these fans that would keep coming
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  Speaker 2: to shows, you know, keep buying meeting greets following the tour,
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  Speaker 2: and eventually I'd be like, Yo, you don't have to
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  Speaker 2: keep buying these, right, I appreciate you so much. You're
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  Speaker 2: good for life, right right, right right, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: some of them I've kept in touch with, like through
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  Speaker 2: the years. Some I'll send music to before it's out
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  Speaker 2: that I'm actually really good friends with, right, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that have been to probably seventy five eighty ninety plus
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  Speaker 2: shows literally right through like ten years of coming and
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  Speaker 2: seeing me on tour. And but it's a weird feeling,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, seeing a tattoo and I and I
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  Speaker 2: see them, you know, all the time, though, but I
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  Speaker 2: remember the first time it was jarring, like this huge
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  Speaker 2: portrait of my face on somebody because something in it
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  Speaker 2: was like, jan that's forever. You know, I'm attached to
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  Speaker 2: you forever, no matter what, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: And and that, in a way is like a motivation
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  Speaker 2: for me because it's like, all right, you can't give
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  Speaker 2: up because you mean this to this person. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: it also comes with a pressure of like living up
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  Speaker 2: to who you see me as. And then you know
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  Speaker 2: they would come back, you know, I'd see them a
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  Speaker 2: year later on the next tour and they'd have five
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  Speaker 2: more tattoos. Yeah, and then they have mad tattoos all
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  Speaker 2: about me, And that that is like there's a there's
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  Speaker 2: a pressure in that, there's an expectation. There's like also
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  Speaker 2: like a whoa, you know, it's a lot. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: ask you to do that, not in any type of
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  Speaker 2: I'm so appreciative to have fans that care that much.
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  Speaker 2: But then the fear that like if they ever just
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  Speaker 2: stop coming, it's like, wait, did I let you down?
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  Speaker 2: Did I do something wrong? You know? And then I
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  Speaker 2: kind of tried to base the sence the theme of
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  Speaker 2: the song too, like that show Baby Reindeer, because it's
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  Speaker 2: weird because the complex is this, you know, like it's
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  Speaker 2: it's one thing to feel like somebody's obsessed with you,
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  Speaker 2: but you kind of like to be worshiped, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. So there's that side artis're like, yeah, yo,
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  Speaker 2: my my ego and my validation, my fuck with me
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  Speaker 2: this much? Right, So so there's that aspect of it,
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  Speaker 2: and there's that like you know, there's like damn if
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  Speaker 2: they suddenly didn't you know, didn't love me anymore, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that validation is taken from you, like did
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  Speaker 2: I do something wrong? And then the whole song, the
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  Speaker 2: punchline at the end is like, you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: what we identified in each other, what we found in
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  Speaker 2: each other and like about each other, was loneliness connected
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  Speaker 2: us too, because I think music can be this powerful
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  Speaker 2: thing where you you see some of yourself in the artist. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean they're talking about something that you identify with too,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and you have that bond, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: So it's interesting too because do you think, like about
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  Speaker 1: those fans where you're like, damn, I haven't seen this
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  Speaker 1: person in like two tours.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it Because did the last album suck? Yeah? Or
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  Speaker 2: did they just grow up? And like and I say
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  Speaker 2: a line in the song, it's like or is it
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  Speaker 2: just like that we all knew one day geezy or
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  Speaker 2: something you don't grow you know what I mean. It's
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  Speaker 2: that like humbling realization of you know, you can't assume
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  Speaker 2: that because I like this music for this period of
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  Speaker 2: my life that is forever, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like, you know, it's almost you moved on
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  Speaker 2: with your life. You grew up, you got married, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean, you got a career, right, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're not who you were when you found me twelve
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  Speaker 2: thirteen years ago. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's a dope song, dope concept too, because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like it's I feel like there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: artists who have those type of fans, and I would say,
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  Speaker 1: like the stand element was there, you know, yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like, you know, like you'll see like randomly,
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  Speaker 1: not to compare you to insane clown posse, but sometimes
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  Speaker 1: like I remember, I got pulled over ones and the
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  Speaker 1: cop had a fucking juggalo hatchet man tattoo, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, highway patrolman is a Juggalo. I'm saying, like
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  Speaker 1: that's crazy, right, Yeah, but no, it's it's an incredible record, man,
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  Speaker 1: I like the Fighting Fuck Records two Man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a vintage G classic. G Oh
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  Speaker 2: so good. Let me get back to my toxic. Let
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  Speaker 2: me get back to my like writing about you know,
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  Speaker 2: up and down problematic relationship. Yeah, something something I know,
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  Speaker 2: failure Will some I write about failure Will.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about you had an album
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  Speaker 1: that you took like a creative risk on yeah, where
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  Speaker 1: you were singing twenty twenty Yeah, And I feel like
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  Speaker 1: that was an album that you stepped out of.
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  Speaker 2: I guess whatever like image we could.
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  Speaker 1: You know that when we think of G we think
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  Speaker 1: of the black leather jacket. We think that we don't
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  Speaker 1: think of colors like you were kind of like.
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  Speaker 2: No, my black shirt was still at the cleanest today.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, he's gonna flip out when he sees
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  Speaker 2: me in red Like.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean still but but but I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: you know you you had tooken a lot of hits
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  Speaker 1: for making that album, but I know that you you
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  Speaker 1: love that album otherwise you want.
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  Speaker 2: To pull it out. I mean I'll say it like this,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, I get it, Like you go to McDonald's,
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  Speaker 2: you know you want your your big mac or year.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the fact that McDonald's doesn't really taste like
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: it did in the nineties anymore kind of messes me up. Like,
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: but you know, if I want a Coca Cola, I
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: don't want it to suddenly come in a purple can
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  Speaker 2: and taste like sprite. You know what I'm saying, Like,
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  Speaker 2: there's but this is not just like product. This is
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: this is art, and you know two things. For one
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  Speaker 2: thing is this, Like you keep thinking like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: after the second album, if I win again, I'll be
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  Speaker 2: able to make what I want to make right and
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: not saying it was necessarily that, but it's like you
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  Speaker 2: kind of feel like, all right, maybe okay, find it.
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  Speaker 2: If I go platinum three albums in a row, right
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  Speaker 2: then I'll finally have bought myself the freedom if I
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: could just get some shit off, whether that's me just
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  Speaker 2: doing like nineties hip hop shit or whether that's me
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  Speaker 2: trying to experiment with some shit like this, I bought
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  Speaker 2: myself that freedom. No, you never do. They just want
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  Speaker 2: what they just want, like and that's not like a
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  Speaker 2: bad thing because at the end of the day, this
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  Speaker 2: thing we get to do, we have this privilege to do,
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: is at the highest honor, you know, like the fact
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: that I fell in love with something and I get
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  Speaker 2: to do that thing I'm in love with for a living,
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  Speaker 2: and I get to get money with my homies. I'm
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: of the luckiest people on the planet for sure, and
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: I'm incredibly appreciative of the job I do. Because everybody
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: has a job, they go to work. Not everybody gets
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: to like their job, right. This is work, right, So
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  Speaker 2: who am I to think I can fuck off my job, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know. But there's the art side of it that's like,
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: you know what, if something's in my heart that I
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: want to try. Andre doesn't want to rap anymore. He
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: wants to play flute. I think Andre earned the right
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: to walk around in blacksmith threes. Youven me a backpack
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  Speaker 2: and carry a fluke. If Andre wants to, Andre gets
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  Speaker 2: to you feel me, he's that goat. But there's still
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  Speaker 2: people that's like banging on him that you feel me
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  Speaker 2: come back and right, sure and rightfully, So that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: That's how it goes, is what it is. The second
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: aspect is this COVID shutting the world down was such
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: a jarring thing for me because you know, I understand
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: like it was hard for a lot of people you know,
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: are uniquely unfortunately you know, I had, you know, financially
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: unity thing. It was in a position where for the
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: first time in my professional career I could kind of
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: fuck off. Sure you feel me, because it's like it's
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: a hamster wheel of like you know, in the studio,
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  Speaker 2: make out, album, tour, tour, get right back in, you
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  Speaker 2: feel me, like, put it out a promo, press run tour,
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  Speaker 2: get right back in. There's no breaks, there's no Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You had like a five year I mean longer than
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: five years.
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  Speaker 2: It was like I was gonna say, even prior to that,
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  Speaker 2: it was the grinding, take the eighty grind. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 2: really like twenty ten to twenty NonStop. I was living
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  Speaker 2: out of suitcases, tour to tour to tour. You feel
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  Speaker 2: me if I had a couple pairs of black jeans,
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  Speaker 2: a black leather jacket and some black t shirts and toiletries,
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  Speaker 2: socks and draws, you feel me and some Jordan's I'm
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: I'm good to be geazy. I don't need anything more
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: than that because all I know is work. But it
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: had drained me, you know, and I think you can
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: kind of hear it in the music. You can see
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  Speaker 2: it on my face, you know. I was just like,
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: when is this When do I get to breathe? And
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the world stops and I don't
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: have sessions booked every other like every day, six days
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: out of the week, with different producers every single day
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  Speaker 2: where I'm expected to go in and make three songs
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  Speaker 2: for songs a night, you know, and try to get
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: the label happy, get management happy, you feel me deliver, Like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that was something like for you
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  Speaker 1: where like I remember kind of being around you, being
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: in some of these sessions at that time, and it
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  Speaker 1: was like it's like all right, but yeah, but we
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: need another one of these. God, but we got to
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  Speaker 1: make another no limit, We got to make another.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me just put my thinking hat on and
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: make it a little no limit.
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  Speaker 1: But but but also I can also assume for you,
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  Speaker 1: it was like you start to like second guess your
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  Speaker 1: own self, hell, start to question like what like, well,
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: what I do is what got me here?
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: So how about unequivocally like trust trust me, you feel
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  Speaker 2: me because I'm not like nobody right like like I
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: don't have a doppelganger. I don't have a you feel me.
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: You can't even parallel me to like who looks like
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: me is from you feel me and inspired and raised
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: by you feel me how and what I'm raised on.
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  Speaker 2: You feel me and has the career I've had, And
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  Speaker 2: it's like I never got where I got by by
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  Speaker 2: like tracing another person's you feel me sound or track
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  Speaker 2: or anything. So it's like, but in that time, I
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  Speaker 2: felt like I was losing that power, that fearlessness, that
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  Speaker 2: because it takes being delusional, it takes you know, the
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: imagination to invent something that doesn't exist. Yet you feel
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  Speaker 2: me like you have to be so brave and so
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  Speaker 2: a fearless leader to think to have the audacity you
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  Speaker 2: feel me to think I could get up there and
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: jump around that stage in a leather jacket and talk
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  Speaker 2: my shit and tour you feel me, amphitheaters and red rocks,
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: and you feel me and do all that. But it
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  Speaker 2: it started to I started to dull because I felt
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: so much not micromanaging, but pressure and control to like
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  Speaker 2: too many cooks in the kitchen of make another, no limit,
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  Speaker 2: make a if we need this from you, we need
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: another of this from you. I'm like, fine, y'all, just
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  Speaker 2: do it then like I'm trying to do what I'm
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: trying to do, because then I went so left right
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  Speaker 2: and I had that freedom for this was that was
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: that you rebelling a bit against like I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: retros everybody like yeah in retrospect, not consciously consciously, it
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: was just like it was just me being free. And
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say it was. You can't quantify art
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  Speaker 2: as good or bad or whatever. I know it wasn't
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: received as well it was good to you, yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: it felt liberating and so for that, it's a when
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt like to me, it was because I
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: do feel like you know, when you have a certain
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: level of success, it's it's we cannibalize, you know, our artists.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's like it's like all right, well what's next,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and if you if you go an album
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  Speaker 1: without another you know, him and I are no limit
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  Speaker 1: or O my god, whatever, it's like, well you fell off.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's atrocious. It's for out here the hardest would
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: like give up, like their fucking you know that one
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  Speaker 2: of them? Yeah, oh my god, I got a couple
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  Speaker 2: of billion stream songs. Respects recognize a legend when you
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: see one.
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  Speaker 1: Even the touring, Like there's guys who give up inches
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  Speaker 1: off of their dick genuinely to be able to tour
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  Speaker 1: the way you've toured in the last twelve months.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that far. Yeah, So I just I just.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Think, you know, I do feel like I felt like
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  Speaker 1: you started to kind of get in your own head
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  Speaker 1: and then at that time, Yeah, there's like this narrative
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  Speaker 1: that like, I see Jack Harlow's blowing up at that time,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, then there's the whole white there can
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: only be one white guy at a time.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: This town is not big enough for the both of us.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like there could only be one. You know,
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  Speaker 2: by the way that the record you and.
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  Speaker 1: Jack put out was Dope, I forget, I forget what
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: the name during it was during the pandemic.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I know because me and him
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: links early on you know his I remember he was
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: he was opening for Whiz and then he brought my
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: homie shouts out, all black, fucking all black. Yeah yeah,
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: all black is my brother for life, if you feel me.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he brought he brought all black on his tour,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, what you know about all black? Right,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: you feel me. But I was like, I was like,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: that's love. Sure, I told him, Matt. I was like, Yo,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: thanks for bringing my brother that hell tight. And then
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: me and Jack linto in the studio and I was
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: in Atlanta and did that joint and it was just
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: solid ass dude. Yeah. Like from then it was like
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: it's really like people's character, you know, like integrity and
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: intentions and truthfulness and just like you know when somebody's valid,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: when somebody's a real one, when somebody's a good person,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: and you know, I'm like, man, I root for everybody
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: for sure, you know, but especially like you know, when
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: you're a great person in this industry, it's hard to find.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: It's hard to find, bro, It's hard to find like
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: people you say, like that's genuinely my friend, versus like,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: you know, just.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Like some fucking dude you say, we'll get in one day.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure you.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Uh. I want to talk to you about the Bay
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: thing because I've had I've had a lot of arguments
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: with people from the Bay Area about you your place
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: in Bay Areas history, because I think that there's just
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: there's just certain conversations that you that are just factual
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: because there's numbers that exist in this world. Like obviously
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: it's like mc hammer is most successful. Yeah you get
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: sold you too short, e forty, like you know whatever,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: but for whatever, and and you know, the other thing
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I always try to say is I don't know anybody
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: who was in a position that you've been in, with
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the eyes that you've had on you that hasn't made
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: it a point to do every single thing they can.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: To help put on the Bay. Yeah, from the Bay to.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: The Universe tour, over and over. Yeah, I think the
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: first I mean, I remember you buy I am Sue
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: out on the road with you for neph the Pharaoh.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even the first time I ever seen
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: was shooting with John. Yeah, for sure.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like for like like like I feel
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: like you don't get amongst the Bay Area tastemakers the
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: respect you deserve in terms of like your place in
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Bay Area.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Man hip hop history. Like it's like I don't I
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: don't entertain to even spend my energy, you know thinking
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: about that, even though as much as like I think
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: it's important to have chips on your shoulders sometimes like
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: if I'm being like like truthful, truthful, right, because I
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: weaponized those chips on my shoulder, you know. Like it's
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: like it's like when you watch the Last Dance, I
• 18:33
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• 18:36
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• 18:40
  Speaker 2: because it's like it's a long season. He got bored.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Just give me something to make me fucking want to
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: like rip your head off or something, or like you know,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: and I use some of those things that like, you know,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, like it'll keep me up at
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: night or like wake me up out of my sleep.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Just anxiety, just stress just makes me go harder, you know.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: And there's never knocking to be gas in my tank, correct,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: you know. But at the end of the day, I'm
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I know, I know who the fuck I am and
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: what I've done, you know. And it's like once you
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: realize that you could, you'll never make everybody happy. I'm
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: not tequila. You can't make everybody happy, you know. It's
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: like you just kind of have to like fundamentally have
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: a level of peace with it and resolving like self
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: knowledge because I know, like categorically you know numbers wise,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: you feel me, I know I know how strong me
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: and Forty's bond is right. You know. I was just
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: on the phone with him the other day catching up
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: with uncle. You know, like I know me and you
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: know me and missus fabs bond, I know me and
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: kicks bond. I know, I know, I know me and
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: feel me like we was at an album released party
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the other day and they had all my videos on
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: you on the TVs and to me myself and I
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: video and Pelo was in the video. You feel me
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: like I've done everything possible to always. You know, if
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I have a light, I take it and I you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: turn it and put that light on and share that
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: light with my region. For me, do I make the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: most Bay Area of music? No? Right? You know every
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: album every hour have short forty. You feel me like
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: some slaps, but you know that's not my space, that's
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: not my place, that's not my you know, necessarily my job,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: my calling, my you know, my thing. You know It's like,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: but ask me, have I ever charged for a feature
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: for any Bay Area artist? Record for the love after that?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Has forty ever charged me? It's love and respect and
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: so artists and artists. I know where I stand in
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: relationship wise. You feel me from d lo to p
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: low to you feel me to sue everybody. So it's
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: like when I think about who's the taste makers, that's
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: not fucking with me, I'm like, I don't know. And
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: if they don't, then that's right, because tell me somebody
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: else who you feel me? Name two tours, everybody you
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: fe me? So what I ain't doing? Tell what I do?
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Everybody from the Bay all over there, you know, world
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: and like I can't what do you want me to
• 21:01
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• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: And just and just be in the Bay forever. You
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like I never said I said
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: to the universe. For sure you feel me. I want
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the world and and I'll try to you don't do
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: everything I can. I always I always reach back, you know,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I see, I see you know my homies telling me
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: like put me on some some new shit that's popping out. No,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: you always are popping up on people. It's always been
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: that way. To follow show loved you feel me like
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: it's always gonna bring out the kids like that. My
• 21:26
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• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I'm just like you feel me. I'm a key hollering
• 21:33
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• 21:40
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  Speaker 1: I want to know too, man, Like, you know, I
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: was fortunate enough to hang out with your mom a lot.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I smoked weed with your mom. Yeah, she was the sweetest,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: sweetest lady man. And uh, you know, I know how
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: important she was, just like to your fans because you
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: had talked about her so much in your music prior
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to her passing. What you know, losing your mom I
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: know was a life.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Changing event for you.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: How did that just kind of like affect just you
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: as a obviously you know, I know it was her
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: birthday recently, but I mean that has to kind of
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: like also just pour onto like how you're feeling in
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the studio, how you're feeling creatively, Like, what do I
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: know you lost your rock?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: You know, you know you lost, that's it. Yeah, you
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: lost for a long time. And grief is this nonlinear process.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: It comes in these waves. It's not you know, some
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: days you think you're find Some days it hits you
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: like a title live. Sometimes for a reason, like you know,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: a holiday or berthday, or you know a song plays
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: or something like that. But sometimes it's for no reason
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: at all. I just hits you. And but the thing is,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: grief doesn't go away until you finally, you know, like
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: try to heal it. Yeah, And I actually I had
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: written like about this in a song. I worked on cases.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Like they say, grief doesn't go away till you finally
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: hear heal it. Layers of the iron, I feel it,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: mis water. I feel it like I dance with all
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: my devils and my angels now out there wheel it
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: like you really got to do the work. You gotta
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: feel it. You gotta lean into it, you gotta cry,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: you got to cry it out. You gotta and then
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: you eventually learn how to like when it comes you.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: You know you you remember the the highs, the good
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: times to you know that you celebrate her like it's crazy.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: On her birthday. The other day, we were on tour,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and I hadn't been performing you know, either Love You
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Forever or Angel you know, two songs I've done in
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: honor of her on you know in the set list,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: because to me, those songs are so powerful. It's like
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I can't if I can't let those become memory, like
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: you feel me like those yeah, like you know, I
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: can't share that with everybody. I can't do that every night.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So but it was her birthday, so we added in
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: the set list, and I mean I cried my eyes
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: out on stage singing the song. It was just beautiful moment.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: But something crazy happened because so when she would come
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: to the shows, You'll remember this. When she would watch,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: she would always be in that pit, but but slightly
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to stage right. It was great because she always be there.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: She'd be smoking, she'd never backwards hat on you feel Me,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: You'd be like right there, you feel me? And she
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: probably walk over past you a joint like, but she
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: was there. It was crazy because she would never be
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: on this side of the stage. She'd be like and
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I never really thought about that, Like it hadn't encurrege
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: to me until on her birthday, and I just for something,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I looked down to her spot, just not intentionally, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: it was like she was there, you feel me swear
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: on everything like and and instead of like, you know,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: me just dropping to the forem ball, it was like
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: because I saw her smiling and she would just be
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: so happy, like with the beamingest eyes of just you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: so proud of me, and she'd be doing her little
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: dance like you know, like and I felt that and
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: it was beautiful and you know, you you that changed
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: a whole lot. You know, it was like a pivot
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: of a day where I started to think of her
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: in more like happy ways, you know, like that's a
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: big step, yeah, you like, and that's I mean, it's
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: been like four years, like you know, so going on,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: so you know, like you you remember all the you know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: the the good, the positive, the because she was man,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: she was a gangster. She was so cool, way cooler
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: than me, dressed held good, effortless and tell it brilliant
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: and uh you know, and then it's crazy. So a
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: few days later, we're in Sack and uh, Neph couldn't
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: make it because he had a show. But Neph's mom,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: who was really tight with my mom, came and Neft's son,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Baby Nef came and I've known baby never since he
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: was about this big.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Right, like a ten years since big Timing came out.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Big time, ten years since Nephel was on the road
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: of me going around the world in London with me.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. You feel me, Nephi Pharaoh, you know, where
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: a roless and like you feel me like like man.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: So now baby Nephi is like a whole human right,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, He's like a person now.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And it was so dope getting to see him, hug him,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: you feel me bring him up on stage, you know.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: But I asked Neph's moms if she was sitting in
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: my mom's spot because she knew the spot because she
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: would be there with my moms. You feel me, and
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: and you know, getting to hug her before and after
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the show, I felt like I was talking my mom
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: because she shared so much of my mom's energies, you know.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: And it's crazy. I mean, I'm not about to cry now.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: But she gave me a gift. I forget if it
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: was before or after the show. You know, she wrapped
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: it up and I knew it was a book and
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I knew what it was, you know, open it and
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: it's Lovey Forever, which is this children's book that my
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: mom would read me, you know, And that's why I
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: named that song after that, And and that's Mom's had.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: You know. She got me that book and she wrote
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: on the inside and she says she used to read
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that book, you know. I mean it was just just crazy,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: like whoa. So in that sense, my mom's still here
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: and everybody that she knew and everything that she gave me,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, man, I just knew.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I remember when that happened, you know, for I think
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: for people who weren't close to you, it was just
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: so unexpected because we're like, wait a minute, like mom was.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Part of the crew.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Man, oh yeah, and it was just I remember just
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: being like, damn bro, like that one hit. So, I mean,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: your mom was great, dude, And I can only imagine
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: like losing your mom. That's like all of our worst
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: that's all of our worst.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Nightmares, is parent you know? Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: my mom would always tell me this. You know, you
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: don't compare pain or anything, but I will say, you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: because because mothers are the superheroes of the world, they
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: literally are the creators of life for sure. You know
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: we all have them, everyone, So you know there's a
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: piece of view that's gone because that's how you got here.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: You know, for sure, do you feel like the last
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: four or five years, because you know, I feel like
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you've you've I know, you've gone through like a few
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: different like management situations, you had the OG guys. But
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: in terms of like quote unquote music friends, have you
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: seen or noticed a lot of people I guess switch
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: up on you a bit over the last few years.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, here's how you like when you're when you're up,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: when you're on the charts, when you're you know, when
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: you're rolling, you know, when you're selling. It's like the
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: amount of feature requests, the amount of you know, reach out.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: But that's like, you know, I just I just take
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: it everything for what it is. You know what I'm saying.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not personal. No, I'm not like I'm not thinking that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: You know, I know that that's an A and R guy, man,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Like you should get Gezy on this one, because this
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: sounds exactly like you know, you should get him on
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: the pop song on this They're like the future right now,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: who's hot? So it's like I'm not like so, it's
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: not like I'm taking it as like you know, I'm
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: just gamed up. So I'm like, you want me because
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: it's there, not because you genuinely you feel me. Yeah. Nah,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: So I would never like if you, you know, switch
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: up or this, that and the other. I never thought
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: she was like we weren't we were we weren't. But
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: also I'm just like, man, I'm like I said, Man,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I'm gamed up. I'm hipto, like, so, I can't. You can't.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: You can't. You're gonna hurt my It's like, you know,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: and I'm not. I'm also not somebody like I hate
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: reaching out to artists, you know. I just think that
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: shit is corny, Like I feel like there's never really
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: anything you did if I show love, but the reaching
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: out asking for features and favors and and looks like
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I would get pressure to do it from my label
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: or team, you know, to be like we got this song,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: this would sound great with so and so saying the hook.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: You've met them at festivals, shows, they fuck with you. You know,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: We've reached out to their team. It's not going nowhere.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Artists to artists always the best way. I'm like don't
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: come make me do.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: It, make me slide.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not so cringey because then because then if they
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: you feel me like the worst is like you got
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: to hit somebody with the yo with the three o's,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: you know, and then bullshit, a little catch up, how
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: you've been, bro, you feel me? How you living? YadA YadA,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: and then four or five texts in you get today, Yo,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I got this record, Like I hate that ship. That's
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: just not in my character. And I like I get
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: it though, you know. And also it's like there's also
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the aspect of you know, your record has to sell,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: you got it? You feel me like if you could
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: get somebody like that that's big, that'll shift the needle,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: like and it takes you just swallowing your pride a
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: little bit to get something done.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, but yeah, I mean I feel like a lot
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: of your features, like you know, you and Gotti and
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Namir were on tour together.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Yeah, oh yeah. And it's
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: like the amount of times in my life and career
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: that people have told me that, you know, after it
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: just it just takes like ten minutes or more, like
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: anybody who's actually gotten to talk to me for like
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: ten minutes or more. It's like if I had a
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: fucking dollar. Every time I've heard bro, I had no
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: idea you were this person. You feel me like you like,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: so you take a Gotti like you spend the summer
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: with me. He's like, yeah, he's a real one. I'll
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: suck with you for me, like I will pop out,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: like if y g had to after party, I would
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: just go pull up the haship with him. You feel
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: me just for love Gotti and they would pull up
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: to my shit like we would all hang out right
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: like you know, we in the parking lot to the
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: you know, the amators all summer like kicking it, actually
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: kicking it right, doing songs, you know, on each other's buses.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: It's like drinking and watching each other's sets, like there's
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: a brotherhood of camaraderie, you know. I mean like I
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: really fucked with it for sure.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: You know, like when you guys did the the Fuck
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump remix. Yeah, that was a big moment because
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like you were on tour that YG was
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: on tour with you that came out because I.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Feel like I was.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: It's funny because I was moving from Tampa back to
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Phoenix and I stopped in Houston to go to that tour. Yeah,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and that's when I first heard the remix because it
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: was what you maclamore or g That was a big
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: moment and that's like, I feel like that's like hip
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: hop's last great protest song.
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  Speaker 1: what it is, man, I do feel like that. Fuck
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It's probably the last great protest song and
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: hip hop. You were on the remix on Toro YG
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: at the time. That was a wild era. That was
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: right around that was.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen. Yeah, yeah, And I remember that
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: summer on that tour because we would performing every single night.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I don't care if we're in Alabama, you know, I
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: mean yeah, like, if you feel something to standing on it,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: don't just say it in California, you feel me, I
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: say that ship. We're everywhere. And you know, we had
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: a huge led wall, you know, on on that big
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: ass Amphitheater stage, you know, and he would come out
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: during during my set headlining fifteen thousand people with a
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: huge red led wall with big bold sense of all
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: cap hel vedica letters. Fuck Donald Trump, just there the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: whole song, and I would see people leave because like
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: like cool, like bounce you feel me. We also had
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: like you know, booths set up, you know, to sign
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: up to vote. Yeah, I come from a lineage of
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: strong women, you know, activism, counterculture, protest and and you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I was raised very liberal, you know, very very very
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: very left, but like you know, growing up in the
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Bay Area of course, with a long rich history of
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: counter culture and activism. Of course from the Panthers. You
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: feel me too, you know, summer love you feel I mean,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: like all that. So like you know, like us doing
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: that song, you know, and and still to this day,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: like I'll play that, you know, even if I just
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: dropped the hook. I'll say, like, you know, before we
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: go any further in the show. You know, we were
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: in Europe. I'm like, you know, there's some fucked up
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: shit going on in my country. You know. Sorry y'all,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: but I'm gonna say how the fuck I feel. And
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: this is how I feel. Fuck Donald Trump, you feel mean,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And I just you know, not to create even more division,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: because I think we're in the most divided time right now,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you know, But like you gotta you gotta, you gotta
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: stand on it. You gotta say how you feel. Like
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the day man, it's like, and I'm not saying artists
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: like we're not politicians. We're not that's not our job.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: But this is a requid, like a required conversation to
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: be having. Yeah, because you can't just sit passively, you know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: this is dialogue. That's that like a civic duty you feel.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I mean as somebody like I could be kicking it
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: with the homies, you know, or like at a at
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: a bar or something like that, but there's one person
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: chances are the bar that has a device in his
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: pocket that could talk to ten million people. You know.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I mean not saying that that I could shift a
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: needle or do anything, but it's like there's a special
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: responsibility to just just if something bothers.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: You, if something if you feel strongly about something to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that point, Yeah, it's almost like you're you know, the
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: responsibility of having that many people having eyes on you.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: It's it's almost irresponsible to be signed. That's why I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: respect so much with Kayliney and maclamore doing standing up
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: so strong for Palestine because it's no it's like so
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: many people are worried about whatever the blowback is it
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: comes from that. And it's like Kaylan is like, I
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: don't get fuck like this is a human issue. This
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: is not a this is like and you know, shout
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: out to Macamore, same ship, like ship Maclamore is fucking
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: shots to Maclamore.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Shot man, great great humans, bro, just like a good dude.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I never did know weirdo ship like you know, like yeah,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: shout out to him. But now I always thought that, like,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I just had Chuck Dion and we're talking.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I'll say, man, like, I don't know, you know, when
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I was growing up, we had like a mortal technique.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we shot out.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: We had like some like real dope, you know, politically
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: charged hip hop to learn from. And I said, I
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: was like the last great like I don't know who
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: our pe is. And I said, I said the last
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: great like protest song was fuck Donald Trump.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: And also, but what was so brilliant about Donald Trump
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: is the simplicity of the hook. It was also a banger.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: It was a absolute slap, like absolute slap.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Play that ship in the club.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Even if you voted for Trump, You're like, this is
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I can't A lot of that should be gone.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I also think to like hip hop's growing to the
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: point where so many people are fans of the music
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: from everywhere because of the Internet. So it's like it's
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: almost like, you know, there's so many people who are
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: like fans of the music that aren't necessarily Like.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Little Baby had a real strong record. I don't remember it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I remember the Baby's verse on the Rockstar remix was dope.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, Little Baby did have and he had
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: that like it was I'm not gonna say it's a
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: protest song, but it was yeah, like you know, socially
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: like right commentary. Yeah, yeah.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I just remember listening to Immortal Technique and find out
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: about c I sy ops and all kinds of crazy
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: ship killing, killing, killing, my killing, my killing, I gotta
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: say killing killing.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: But things like you lose the kids when it gets
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: to like you know, you weren't heavy to lyrical miracle Spiritu,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: You're like, no, you're right. It's almost like it's almost
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: like so then then you missed the whole, Like the
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: point of like you I mean, and you you get
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: like protests is like, you know, marching and chanting one thing,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: so so then you equate that to fuck Donald Trump.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: That's still equivalent, right, that was really the perfect That
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: really is a perfect protest on perfect because it wasn't
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: it was good.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: It's like sonically like I can hear this in the
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: club and keep dancing.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Damn. Yeah, such a great record, man, i'mna start i'mna
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: start playing that every time DJ again. Yeah, are you
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: still djaming? I love DJing, bro.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny is I was with you at
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: eleven in Miami. Yeah, a couple of years ago.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I had a good time. Uh not too.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you came up and to hear me, but I
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: was probably very surprised how good of a DJ you were.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you were like fucking beat matching and.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Ship and I was like, oh shit, yeah, QUS talked
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: this guy some ship man.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I mean the thing is, you know I've been making
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: beats since you were there. Yeah. I I've been making
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: beat since I was thirteen. A lot of people don't
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: know that. Like I got started making beats and you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: and then I started writing raps. But like because I
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: had like we had like a little click like a
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: rap group, and I was always kind of the one
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: like making the beats, like maybe you know, it wasn't
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: until like seventeen eighteen, I was like, wait, I could
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I could be the star you feel me. I could
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: be a solo act I'm feel me. Like one day
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I realized like shit, wait no, I'm handsome, right, I
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: could be a star. Like I'm like in love with
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: the work part of it, like I'll work my ass
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: off to like you feel I mean, and like managing
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: a bunch of other egos and like energies is a lot.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: So it was like, wait, I could just embrace that
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: idea of like me rapping but being my own engineer,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: being my own producer. I can't like I can hear
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: a song and be within three beats per minuted and
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: tell you what it is what it is because I
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: just my brain knows the math of music. So it's
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: like DJing comes natural.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I feel like if you're a producer or like you're
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: very engaged in your music process, yea, DJing is like
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: second Nate checking Nate.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: But that should be so fun because like I get
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: to be at the party, but I'm not gonna lie.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm in a section and it's like this is
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: not fun for me. I want to, like everybody'd almost
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: rather be like yo, the DJ off coming how far
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like you literally and like I just comment here
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: you family, take over to DJ and and get on
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: because then, like I mean, at least you have your
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: little isolated space, see, and I just bombarded with like right,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: you know, and then it's so satisfying when you mix
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: something perfectly and you drop that shit in a crowd
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: of crazy like for sure, yeah.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Yo, uh do you remember at what point in time?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Because you know, I always say like, you guys came
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: into the game and it felt very I've never seen
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: someone take so much like intention with the way they
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: would package their merch, they would send shit out, and
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: just the fan experiences that were just so I remember
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: you would take the homie on the road who was
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: cutting hair for the fans, and yeah, there was just
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: this cultivated experience that I had never seen before an
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: artist do it. And and also I always would say like,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: you guys were like the apple of hip hop like
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: ten years ago, because no matter how big or small
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: the venue were very high compliment. Like I'd be like, oh,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: you go to a G show, It's got a feeling,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: there's an aesthetic to it. But I remember you weren't
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: always necessarily like doing that, Like, when did you figure
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: that part out? Because that, to me was a big
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: reason why you were able to come into the game
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: with this.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Well for insane thank you following like thank you, that's
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: really high praise. And I got to say that and
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: shout out and give flowers to Maddie B and Jamil. Yeah,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: of course, shout to Maddie B. Man. You know, Rose
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: grew my management. You know, we we met in college.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: And mind you, I'm you know, I came from Oakland,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: like I'm I get to New Orleans. I'm on like
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: three scholarships and a grant to get there, Like I'm not.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is a whole new world to me
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: being in this college environment. I'm just you know, I
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: set up my little setup. You're feeling me the k
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: our kids and you know, a little mboxtal inbox back then.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: And at the time, I'm like and I'm just kind
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: of isolated, introvert because I'm not relating to a lot
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: of what's going on, Like and I'm just in my
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: dorm room making beats recorded and designing my own MySpace pages,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: like you know, sticking up flyers and stickers all around campus.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: You feel me, I'm a nuisance. I'm like And I
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: met my management there and they were like minded, and
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: we grew and built all this together and like and
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: the nucleus of the three of us really pushed that,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: like Steve jobs, like you know, attention to detail, packaging,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: appreciation of Apple, you know what I'm saying, Like studying
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: shit like that, like you know, and from the album
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: art to the fan experience to the merch, the presentation,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: all of that. You think about when you get that
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: new laptop and you open that Apple box and you
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: see that designed by Apple in California, that minimalism, that cleanness.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I remember you guys were like set out hats
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: and they'd be like packaged and like the way you
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: guys would package and send merch to fans. I remember,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: it would be so like it wasn't like I were
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: just throwing it in a box.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I mean that means you can. When we were first,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I was designing our first merch and I was living
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: in an apartment with my girlfriend in New Orleans as
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I was like finishing college, and like I remember, we
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: had like racks in the apartment of all our like
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: stock emmers and stuff. And she would be boxing it
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: up with the tissue paper, and I would like they
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: like no, They're like folk like do it like this,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: you know, like blah blah blah, and like we just
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: all cared about the presentation and equality, you know, and
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: that shit goes a long way clearly. But it's like
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I appreciate hearing that, you know, because that's how much
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: we put into the experience.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: You know, what did you learn because you were opening up?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Was it was it the drake to where you were
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: opening up on it?
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Was it Little Wayne or was it little Yeah? We
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: opened It's crazy because I keep looking up at at
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: like that city right there. But basically, like so imagine
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: storytime real quick. Imagine moving to New Orleans in two
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: thousand and seven, you know, mix tape weezy, like going
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: into Carter three. Wayne is the biggest thing in the universe.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: But imagine living in New Orleans. It's even crazy, bro
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Like you couldn't walk a block without hearing you family,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: like and that's peak Wayne. Living in you know, in
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: that place at that time was crazy. I think it
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: was my sophomore year, Jamill. He interned for for Voodoo Festival,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: which is like our big festival in New Orleans and
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: he randomly gets a sign to help Lil Wayne. It's
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: camp like who was headlining that year and Carter three
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: was about to drop. And he meets his tour manager.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah we'll get to that, and Tina Feriris and she's
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Wayne's tour manager and makes such an IMPRESSI not her.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Two months passed by. You know, we're chilling at our
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: apartment where roommates. He gets a call and she's basically like,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: you know, I really liked you. You made a really
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: good impression on me. YadA, YadA. I have this position open,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: you know, assistant tour manager. Would you like to come
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: on the road for Carter three's arena. You feel me
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: like overnight, my best friend and you know manager. But
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: it wasn't much to manage, right man, I'm just uploading
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: songs of my space. You finnd me like we're just
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: young college kids. You feld me like the forties all
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: over the apartment, like you know, and and you know,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: overnight it becomes the coolest and richest of our friends.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Because he's getting paid something like a thousand a week
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: or something like that. We're splitting rent at seven hundred dollars,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: paying three fifty each, you feel me like, and he
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: goes on the road and he's working that close around
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: that camp, like soaking it all up, taking it all in,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: studying the game, calling me like anytime he gets a second, like, yo,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: jee is crazy. You know, I was just smoking Wayne,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: this is tight, like yeah. And I remember one day,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: you know, because he stayed with the camp, he would
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: do every tour and you know, I'm kind of living
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: vicariously because I'm still you know, in New Orleans going
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: to school classes. It just got boring her and boring
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: her because I was just so desperately, like badly wanted
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: to be in that. And he would sneak us on
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: shows when he could, like no pay, but he'd be like,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: if you could drive to Indianapolis this weekend from New Orleans,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: something I'll get you on after the doors open, Wayne
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: won't even know you feel me type shit, And we
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: get to be around it, we get to see the show,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: we get to study and soak up the game. But
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: there was one day where he was like, yo ge yo,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I've been chowing on the own money bush smoking with
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: this car. You should check out his music, y'all Down there,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: y'all y'all kind of reminding each other in the white
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: but like you should listen to his music. It's MySpace
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: dot com, slash Strike and like you me earliest earliest,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: earliest time and uh and then he has a bond
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: with Drake, you feel me. And when Drake starts to
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: pop off, who does Drake wants to be his tour manager?
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: M h feel me? Yeah? Yeah yeah, and they and
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: they built you know, that bond together and you know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: we're together Drake's whole career and just being around you know,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: through a third party kind of like step of separation
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: of but having a lens that like I got to learn,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I got to be around it. I got to you know.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: He would sneak me on some Drake shows. I don't
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: even think Drake knew I was on the shows. But
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: then that led to meeting Taz, who came to see
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: me at my first headline show in LA We had
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: sold out to Roxy and the line is past the whiskey,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: You felt me, had kids like wearing all black waiting
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: in line. You feel me, and Taz came. He said, oh,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: something's going on here. You have my attention now, It's
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: not just little Jamil keeps banging on me talking about
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: listen to my artist, listen to my artist. He's like yeah, yeah, whatever,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Like okay, you have my attention. Now something something's moving
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: comes to the show. And that was a pivot, turning point,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: and that led to what Jamil had been campaigning and
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: trying for forever was getting Test and Blueprint Group g
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Roberson g Nelson our branch to come on board and
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: help co manage right, you know, and that that changed everything.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: That brought us, you know, the RCA, and then they
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: got me on opening for l Wayne all summer. But
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I was like second of six acts. It's just like
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: people are walking in, walking in finding it. They're like
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: where's seats, you know that type shit, like this white
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: guy right right right, and I'm like make some noise,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: like where's my seat? But like getting like I was
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: getting like eight hundred dollars a show or some thousand shows.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: It was enough to pay for the bus barely and
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: just be there because like sometimes you'll take a loss
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: just to just to learn some ship, learn go put
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: yourself in a position of soak up the game, like
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: make some connect like feel me, get some exposure, but
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: really just soak it up and I remember, uh, man,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: what's his name, Adrian Browner, the boxing Yeah, he was
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: on the tour. He was wrapping that summer and and
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: and they had him going first and then it was
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: me and then Susie Man. Yeah, it was amazing. But anyway,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: so it's like first to second show of the tour
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: because it was him, me Audio Push Hit Boy. I
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: remember that I went that was the package, that was
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: that summer that was that was the H E seven era. Yeah, yeah,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: and you know, and I'm like I'm sticking out like
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: a random right who Okay, didn't hip what do you someone?
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Your album? Yeah? Yeah, we've done a ton of ship.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: But so like you know, I'm I'm aware, like I'm
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I'm the white Wood. You know, I'm not finna change
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: my look for anything. I'm not you know, I'm gonna
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: wear my varsity slick my hair due you for me.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I'm geezy, I'm I'm gonna be me. And it's brown.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: I called up to management after the first White Boy.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I don't want to play after I want to play
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: before him like album, and then I don't I said
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: this not but basically there was an agreement of like
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: you know, uh ideal, you know, and like I took that,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Like I was like, you go second, fine, you know,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: for and.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: So he was paying to go ahead of like yeah,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Just like some like I'm like, all right, I counted
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: up how many shows we have left added by that number.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I know what I can do with that.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: It's fine. It's not hurt. It's all good. I mean,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: And that's that's no no distant, you know. I mean,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: but I just took this. Yeah, that's great to go
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: for sure, great deal for me, Like and that whole summer, man,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: like I would I would get on my stage and yeah,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: it hurts you pride a little bit, like getting on
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: trying to be like make some noise. It's easy to
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: get up in front of a crowd. It's like eating
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: out the palm of your hand. It's hard to earn.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: People earn people work for them, but you don't fancy
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: anybody here to see you, Like, and I would go
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: back to the bus. We had a little makeshift studio
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: set up. I'd work on making what would be these
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: things happen all summer, and then I would come back
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: from the bus to watch either Chains or Ti or Wayne.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Every single night I would watch one of their sets.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I would just go sit in the crowd when nobody
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: recognized me, and I would just take notes, study how
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: they do their talk breaks, the pacing, the timing, the
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: you know where you place your hits right, what do
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: you start with? What do you close with? Right? You know,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: when do you do your new shit? You know? I
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: studied all that, and then I go right back to
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: the bus, like, fuck party and we haven't earned the
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: rights party right, like, and we made these things happen
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: that summer and I was still unsigned.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: So you weren't with RCA yet. So when you will
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: go to RCA, you have that album finished finished.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And the crazy thing is r c A is
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: one of the two labels that had flown me out
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: when I was nineteen in college. You're doing like fucking
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Warped tour or some ship that was. Yeah, that was
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: all in the indie phase between. But when I was nineteen,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: I had a song on MySpace. It was kind of
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: like getting some legs, Yeah, to get to get mini legs,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: enough to get you flown out, enough to get me
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: flown out, but enough to get me passed on right,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: you know, and you sit under those fluorescent lights with
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: all the suits in a boardroom, you know, and they're like, so,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: what's your story? Boy? That froze up. But it's it's
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: a blessing because I didn't know who I was yet.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't have the I didn't I hadn't found my style,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: my voice, SMI yeah, I the pocket. And but that
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: chip on my shoulder of them passing on me, I
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: was like, damn. And that flight back to New Orleans,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: I'm telling all them, I'm about to get signed. I'm
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: going out to New York. I've never been in New York.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: I've never been in a hotel room. I'm like taking
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: pictures of the hotel in Manhattan, like this is crazy.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: And that kind of rejection to make you dig deep,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: and you know, they don't tell you that they're not
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: doing the deal. They're just like, it was so inspiring
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: me and we're really excited. We're going to be in
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: touch and never you know. So you're going back to school.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: You're back in class on Monday. You're like, I don't
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: know what happened. It was. I'm like school, Damn, I
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: must suck. Yeah, you feel me. I must not got it.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: You know or fucking fuck you. Yeah, I do, and
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: just work my ass off. So when they came back around,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I had these things happen done. I had just toured
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: with Luwayne, I had done wark toward I had done
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: the hard work I didn't necessarily want to do. But
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: anything I.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Remember you were doing like I think you had did
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: like Club Red and Azy.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: This was for ye. That was the Rocky tour.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you were selling out like motherfucker the whole
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: toys hold up one hundred percent.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like and so then when they came in and
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I flew back, then I'm like, you remember me, right,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: because I told you i'd be here right. So this
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: time around, I want what I want right, So get
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: me right, otherwise I'll go next door. No for sure,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Like you had the proof of concept, yeah, because it's
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: I don't need nothing from you.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: It's crazy to think like how amazing that album was
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: and it was like it still was kind of like
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: you had it, like you had like obviously gotten plaques
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: off that album.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I mean it was, it's one of my favorite. I
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: mean it platinum or double platinum, Tumble Girls platinum or
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: double platinum. Talk about an era on I mean, bro, like,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: but it's crazy to think like that album.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: I remember I was doing radio and Tampa at the time,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: and I was like screaming at the program director about
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: trying to get I mean it into rotation. I was
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: playing it on my underground hip hop show, so hating me,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: and they still didn't believe.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: They hating me, didn't I mean? And that for our city.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: We didn't have a fit. RC didn't do you no
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: favors on the first album, by the way, no, nothing
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: like we we I paid out of my pocket, like
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: to all those videos we had shot before the deal.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: But it's such a great fucking album.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: And like, like you said, like fuck.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: But you know what it is. You know what it
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: is because you you you gamble a little better when
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: it's your money you're gambling with, right, you know. I mean,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: if I'm gambling with the corporations money, okay, But if
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I did warped door to make this money, I was
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: sweating all summer on a fucking tour that I would
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: ever been on. I don't want, you know, I mean,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: but I worked hard to get this. To save this up.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I lived out of a suitcase with no apartment for
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: me for a year.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: And then fast forward, it's when it's dark out.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: So when I'm spending twenty five bands to shoot the
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Far Alone video or twenty five bands to shoot the
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: almost famous video Platinum by the way, Far Alone Platinum,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: you feel me like. And then when we did the
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: little radio campaign, we spent like twenty five fifty bands
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: for Far Along. That's my pocket. So it's like you
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: when it's your money at stake, You're like, yeah, I'm
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: gonna be I'm gonna spend this wisely, right, you know,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: because I got skin in the game. And so that's
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: why when we came to r C, it's like, if we.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Did this, do you remember when you guys, because it
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: felt like the everyone jumped on board once me myself
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and I just just just yeah, because it was like
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: it was like, fuck, but did you did you guys
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: have any idea like, Okay, this is gonna be the
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: record that changes everything, and you already had a lot
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: of success and you were already torn. I think by then,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I think I think I think that was the g
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: The g I Am Suit Tour was before that was
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: after the first album, because I think that's when I
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: saw you in Tampa because I remember I took im
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: su to McDonald's, but man, legend.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Legend, but we knew each other like growing up man.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: But it was almost like you were like still kind
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: of like under ground popping to like the like if.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: You knew you knew, but still I'm still, Like it's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: crazy how I don't ever like walk around like I'm
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: a household name or something like I like being slightly
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: missus kind of like if you know, you know, but
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: but me myself and I.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: You guys knew like okay, this song, oh yeah, that
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: changed everything, but you knew it before it dropped.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: I knew I knew it. The second so like first album,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: they protected these things happen to do like five thousand
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: first week it did fifty. It's platinum now like crazy
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: like in the US, like it's platinum in many countries,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: but in the US over a million sols, no real
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: radio hits at all. Correct. Second album is like the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: hardest thing in hip hop. To do it once is
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: the hardest, but then they do it again, and then
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: the third time is hell hell even it never gets
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: easy basically, but the second one is like that's where
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: you solidify yourself. And we were so locked in making
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: that second one that would change everything when it's dark out,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: like that's.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: My best album, Like that's my favorite album.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: And I remember like pushing everything in my life to
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: the side, you know, friendships, relationships, just locking all the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: way in taking all the all the right sessions that
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: you know. And i'd met bb rexa, you know, she
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: our teams got in touch or whatever. We hadn't met.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: We uh, we do the session with my friend Mike
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I've worked with years prior. And she said she had
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: like two demos to show me that she was really
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: excited about, but one she really liked. And she plays
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: me the first one and I'm like, I'm you know
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: what I mean. I never wanted to, like, you know,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: because you don't want to put some somebody down, Like
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: it's just maybe not for me, you know, because she's
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: fucking like her voice, her writing, she is brilliant. She's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: just that special. And the second idea she showed me
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: was what will become me myself and I and it
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: was just like her and piano and I remember hearing
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: it and the whole world stopped that I don't need
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: to hear anything else. And that part is the chorus like,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's even initially how it was,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: but I just I was like, okay, yeah, we're done here,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: don't play anything else. That's the one. And you know
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: we sat there that day, you know, I was like,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: let's do halftime drums. So it has that like pocket
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: feel me, let's like redo the chorus add in some
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: sense when it gets to the chorus and then that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: that's the post where it goes all to it. And
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: you know, she has that iconic voice, she's an iconic
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: writer and you know, shouts out to bb I mean,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: she changed my life forever because let's be honest, that chorus,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: you know, with that production, that's the heavy lifting. The
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: rapper's job on a song like that is filling the
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: blanks and don't suck it up literally, don't get in
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: the way of the records. Like that's you know. So
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just being like literally honest about that. You know, Bbe,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: you know she did that, and uh I knew and
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: out of the whole album. You know, like a lot
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: of rappers like we'll go in and we'll do five
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: songs in the night, sometimes even more, you know, but
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: you can get lost in that because it's like okay,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: or you could do one or two and finishing apply
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: yourself to you, Yeah, okay, it's good, Yo, we got one.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: We just lock in on this, you know, whether it's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: tightening up the verses, whether it's the production needs something,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: whether it's like add this and that, and sometimes it
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: doesn't need anything. Sometimes you just go in. You could
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: punch in freestyle and shit just comes out. But sometimes
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: with a record like me and myself and I, it's
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: worth the work staying there. If this song takes eighteen mixes,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: I don't care if it takes twenty eight mixes. We're
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: gonna get this one right, because this one is gonna
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: do more than any other eighteen songs on the project, right,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: feel me. So it's like, pay your attention, do your work,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: have your patience and focus for this one because this
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: one's gonna count. This one's getting like maybe change your
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: family's lives for sure. Those three minutes and thirty seconds
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: are different than the other three minutes and thirty seconds
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: on all the other ones in a way.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's crazy because it's like that. To me,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: it was like everything changed after that. And then it
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: is interesting because I remember there was a do you
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: remember because I was fighting for you on Twitter Instagram,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: so we talked.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: About you you've banged on me like you've you've banged
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: for me so many times.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Broad there was a fucking there was like an MTV's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Hottest Artist list or some shit to drop hottest rapper lists,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: and I was like, wait a minute, so you mean
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: to tell me the guy who's currently headlining a fucking
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: amphitheater tour and as the number one song in the country,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: You guys don't even.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Talk about it my whole fucking show. Yeah.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy at the time.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, as much as it's like
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of outlets that have you know,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: it's like it's like it's like a taboo to like
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: to fuck with me or like or maybe it's just
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: they never met me, am. Yeah.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of people might be like, well,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: you mean the guy who like performed with Britney Spears
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: on the fucking audience, Like like.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you fucking wouldn't like any feel like I
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: remember being a little kid watching her kiss Madonnavan, Like
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: you kissed her right? Like you Ki.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: By the way, I don't want to say any names,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: but I would just like to point out that young
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Gerald here has kissed all of your favorite famous rappers
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: before their boyfriends did. Respectfully, I would like you have
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: one of the most legendary hit lists in all of
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: hip hop. That is not public. That's not public, not
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not somebody anything public. I'm talking about the other ship.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: You're a legend, sir, You're a coxman. So anyway, they
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: gotta put your jersey in the Hall of Fame.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Hall of Game, the Hall of Game. H Where do
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: we go from there? So anyway, how about them? How
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: about about how about right? Christ? Better luck next year?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Next year?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Do you just have like seasons like you're always court side?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, man, I love going to games. That's
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: that's that's the best. Man just shouts out to forty
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: in general man like like he he could never get
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: enough flowers because you know, it's like one of them things.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Tell me somebody else as prolific. Now think about the
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: word prolific. That's like, you know, he who has more albums,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: you know, a bigger body of work. You know, it's
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: still still working his ass off.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Like reinventing himself having.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Slapped and then he's multiple different ventures.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Just motherfucker got goddamn he got.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: He got a whole icem alcohol, he got in gooon
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: with the spoon, like with the spoon, he's got the
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: Filipino ship. I don't know how he's he's got the loopia.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: He just has a never ending hunger. And and that's what,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: you know, like to have to have a OG like that,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: you know, to have somebody like that, not only as
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: a you know, as a mentor, as an un as
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: a hero, as an inspiration, as a goat, as a
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: big bro like you know, as as a genuine real
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: friend like you know, that's like it's not too many
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: forties on this planet, for sure, not too many that
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: have ever walked this earth. And he's still doing it,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: like still putting our music, still relevant, still tapped in,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: still sharp, you know, and it's like I get it
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: because you know he's he's so distinctly you niekly himself.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: He won't try to just blend in just for the
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: sake of because the worst thing is when a when
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: a o G tries to do some ship for the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: kids and try it feels like he's reaching or something right,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: It's like forty is like you either going like you
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: feel me, You're gonna meet me here or yeah, Like
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: it's like he's going to do his thing, you know,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: his style, his way, and if it's not for everybody,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: it's not for everybody, but like, man, he's a legend.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: How how much are.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: You uh hip to?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Like you know, obviously there's a lot of dope young
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: energy out of the bay The Russell's going crazy crazy
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: are you still like because you're a fucking hip hop
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: at a heart? Like, are you still like pretty like
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: trying to keep your ear to like the ship happening always?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Man, the Russell was on told me on this last run.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: The last like the last last run because there's like
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: the run currently, but then there was like the first half.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Of the we just finished, but broke it into like
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: six six like two separate, separate legs, but the first
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: like he was on, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: that's just like I said, like I've always you know,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: brought you feel me some like Bay Area rappers and
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: artists like with me on every tour I've done, but
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: like I'm careful about who I picked, you know, to
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: bring on tour. Because it's like who do you want
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: to spend some time around with? Who do you want
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: to hang out with? Whose music do you want to
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: like listen to listen to every day and watch reform,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: you know, and see backstage and kick it and like
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: hang out with. So L Russell is like one of
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: those like every so often somebody comes along. It's like, oh,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: you're like that, You're one of those special man. You're
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: gonna be here a very long time. Ye, Like it's
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: it's entirely in you. It's like it came from that's
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: like something like.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: What you said about forty that like you got to
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: meet me here.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: That's L. Russell. It's like, yeah, you don't got to
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: fuck with me. Yeah, but if you're going to fuck
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: you gotta come over here. You gotta come. Yeah. And
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: it's crazy because he was telling me like he was like, gee,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: like you know, I don't like to perform like after
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: like two pm you found.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Me, Yeah, he performs in the afternoon.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, He's like, but but but like you feel me,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: you're gonna come see me here? Ye, Like I'm gonna
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: do it my way and stand on it. And that's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: like that's that's very Bay Area where there's long lineage
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: and history of the independent hustle, you know, short and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: forty and us just being uniquely, you know, just a
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: very special, unique place of culture and and all that,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: like we're not finna try to be like nobody else's
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: it's us. But but he embodies that and and does
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: it his way and and like you know, the backyard
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: shows like his tiny I've been his house told me
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: on the tour. He was like, you know, I did
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: the ship for you, like you got me out here
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: after dark Man it's out like it's dark out. I
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: don't do yeah, Like I'm like, well, if I don't
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: see anything shows that Batman doesn't pop out till it's
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: dark out, I can't. The best single doesn't show up
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: in the daytime. I'm I'm an only at night kind
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: of person. You got me out in the daytime. I'm
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: coming tomber you hear. But the Russell was like, you know,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: he was like I did it because I fuck with you,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Like I'm I'm doing this because I want to hang
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: out with you, and I fuck with you and the
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: combos we got to have and like picking each other's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: brains and like he's sharp as attack and can wrap
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: his ass off. It's just so innate, so natural. So
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: he's so blessed and talented, you know, simbolars play.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Man alien as off. Sim is a great mind too,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: man that Motherfuckers podcast and he hang out.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: With Gilbert loved. I loved what he said here, which.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: About Aiden ross Oh yeah, Aiden Rosses.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but just like you know, just just
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: in general, like why the fuck are you talking about that?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: It's it's just you know, I don't know that man.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: But but when I saw that clip, it's like Brad
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: like a like are you drunk or what? Or like
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: but who, like why are you? I don't. I just
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: don't believe in Like, I don't have no beef with nobody.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: The only time I is if somebody like is that
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: being that that that that negative? Because otherwise I'm just
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: you know, it's just it's just what sparks you to
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: even talk about somebody else. Yeah.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: To me, it's like we've had this weird three or
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: four years where like there's been like a and obviously
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: you and I have both the white guys and hip hops
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: were guessing the culture it is what it is, But
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: there's been.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Like this.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: Weird mixture of worlds where it's like, all of a sudden,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: there's the there's these characters who have followings online, who
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: are who whatever they say because of how many people
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: follow them or how famous they are. There's coverage which
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: gives it some sort of merit to certain audiences, and
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: you're like, yo, like you know, like I said earlier,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I said, uh, you know, I saw and I'm cool
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: with the NELK Boys, but I saw Kyle from the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: NELK was talking to Aiden Ross about Kendrick Lamar and
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: his album, and I was I commented under it, and
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: I said, this is like watching two blind people talk
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: about a painting because these motherfuckers have no idea what
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: they're talking about, Like what are we even doing here?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: And like that's not to take you knows. It's an
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: interesting time in the world where you talk about coverage.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: You talk about you know, because mainstream media or radio
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: or television doesn't exist in the same way, and you
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: have these fringe guy platforms that are like have massive
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: followings and like they talk to the world, you know,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: But who gave you that like like credibility or or
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: like like.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: I gotta you gotta give some blame to the people
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: who validate them. Yeah, and I gotta give blame to
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Drake and all those guys because because instead of Drake
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: going and sitting down with like a hip hop platform
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: or even someone like Academics, however you feel about academics,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Drake should have went and sat with Academics before you.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: When I'm eight Ross's stream. I mean that with all
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: due respect, but it just is what it is. So
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: there are people who do validate those guys because they
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: deem their following big enough to put whatever they feel
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: about whatever to the side to go sit down and
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: shoot the ship on the lane. So there are people
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: who have validated those folks, and you gotta kind of
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: look at them and be like, hey, why not go
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: sit with Kay Sanatt or fucking or DDG or you
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: know anybody who's like not a fucking goofball.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Like anyway, I see all that to say, Yeah, So.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: The new album is out. It's called Helium. It's incredible.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Uh and uh are are you still?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Is a tour over? That's a tour never tours, never
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: over tour for you for the rest of your life.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: I always gonna be able to Vegas Friday. I count
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: are you still doing zooke? Now I'm at the wind now,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: Oh the win much much better much. But the resources
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: world's a fucking shit shown man.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Not no, I mean from a gambling perspective, because I'm
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: a fucking degenerate and every time.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Luckily that's advice. Don't every time I go to fucking
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: resorts world, it sucks to me. I'm like, never been
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: to Zook by the way. Never People people without seven
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: vices always like it's crazy because it's like makes no sense.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Miss always win for sure. Like that is one vice.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: You don't have things. That's one advice I ain't got. Man,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: you got some vices, you know, I'm trying to collect
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: them all. It's not pokemon pokemon, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: So uh yeah, the wind shouts to the way. That's fine,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: that's a that's fun. Shout to the wind. It's smells
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: so good in there.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you walk into the wind. You want to give
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: them your money. Those fucking carpets in that set, I
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: want to lose money. They're in the aria. Now I'm like,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like like the business model of a casino, Like
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: imagine like I'm gonna be the one that win. No, right, Yeah, listen, gee,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you always win. That's why they call it
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: the win.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: You know what's crazy, I said, I don't the only
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: time I've ever done the only time I've ever destroyed
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: a hotel room. Yeah, you were doing Dre's. You got
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: a bunch of.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Rooms where you're going, but that you were doing.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Dr Me and fucking mod Me and mod Son. Me
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: and mod Son are up in whatever suite you have. Yeah,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: and we've destroyed your room on purpose. I'm not sure
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: you were. I think you want to watched us, But
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: we fucking broke everything.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: In the room, like shattered the night. We like got cool, like, hey,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: we could almost died. Like likes to break. Sure, he
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: likes to climbing in structure outside of our hotel. There
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: was like one hundred feet tall. There was like an
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: art piece of something, and I climbed up to the
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: very top of it and I felt it kind of wabble.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: And we're just up there like drunk, just like not
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: a good idea, like whoa hearted yourself?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's a bad look. Anyway, I appreciate you pulling up.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Man. We shattered the hotel room. Shot at the hotel room.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: It is fun.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, fuck the hotels anyway, appreciate you coming through. Man.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: The albums is incredible if you have not heard it.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Helium it's out front.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: And back Helium out now it's our records and warehouse
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: music on. Do you know what's crazy? This empty building
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: next to the studio used to be.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: They turned it into a tower records just to shoot
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: a scene for the new Michael Jackson movie. So for
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: like a week next year to us, we had an
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: eighty style tower Records. Yeah, it was kind of crazy. Anyway,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you Ge