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"I don't need eyes to know this is great" Dare Devil: Born Again Review · May The Review Be With You

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Speaker 1: I just want to do a quick passover. They killed him.
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Speaker 1: So sad.
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Speaker 2: They killed him. We're sad. Anyway, Hello and welcome to you.
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Speaker 2: Made the review Beat with You with Nick and Joe.
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Speaker 1: I'm Joe, I'm Nick, And today.
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Speaker 2: We are talking about Disney Fluss's Marvel's news show Daredevil
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Speaker 2: Born Again, Charlie Cox born again as the blind Hero.
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Speaker 2: He's back, He's Daredevil. We're on episode four, sick Sempra systema,
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Speaker 2: and we have thoughts, lots of thoughts. Nick, we're coming
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Speaker 2: off fresh from this episode. How are you feeling.
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Speaker 1: The show's insane? It is insane. I feel like at
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Speaker 1: any minute, Murdoch and Kingpin are going to absolutely snap,
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Speaker 1: and we kind of got some of that during this episode.
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Speaker 1: We were really close to complete breakage on both their
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Speaker 1: mental blocks. Yeah, this was every week. This show's got
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Speaker 1: something more shocking towards the end, which is awesome.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, today we had a fake out ending, which I
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Speaker 2: think that's the first time. That's the first time at
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Speaker 2: least this show has done that. I don't recall the
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Speaker 2: original Daredevil show ever doing that. It could be wrong
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Speaker 2: about that. I'm a little hazy on season three, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: we got the cut to black and then immediate cut
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Speaker 2: to our overall season villain, which we'll get into in
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Speaker 2: a little bit. But yeah, I'm right there with you.
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Speaker 2: This show continues to surprise. I know going into this show,
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Speaker 2: one of the big worries, big concerns was the migration
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Speaker 2: of this show from Netflix to Disney. Plus was it
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Speaker 2: going to be able to retain the same level of
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Speaker 2: like shock and violence that Daredevil, the Netflix TV show
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Speaker 2: was known for, And pretty early on the answer was yes,
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Speaker 2: pretty early on.
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Speaker 1: Big yes, Yeah, there's been no there's no issues there.
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Speaker 1: I think from an audience perspective, we're extremely happy with
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Speaker 1: how this has turned out, especially from a violence perspective.
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Speaker 1: There's been no slowing down. If anything, we've taken another level,
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Speaker 1: maybe got to step up potentially. I'm enjoying it.
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Speaker 2: Very No. No, No, one's head has gotten smashed into
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Speaker 2: my knowledge.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's because technically we haven't seen Daredevil since the
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Speaker 1: very very opening of episode one. You know, we've gotten
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Speaker 1: Matt Murdoch in his in his law school attire beating
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Speaker 1: up a couple cops, but we haven't seen Daredevil since
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Speaker 1: the first like ten minutes of episode one, So there's
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Speaker 1: a limit of the head smashing without it.
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Speaker 2: To be fair, I'm not referencing a Daredevil head smash.
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Speaker 2: I am referencing a Kingpin car door head smashed. I
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Speaker 2: don't know if you remember that. I want to say,
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Speaker 2: it's a round episode four, episode five of the original
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Speaker 2: series where we get the legendary Vincent Diinafrio just starts
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Speaker 2: smashing a dude's head in with a car door.
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Speaker 1: It is I don't I don't remember that. We'll clip
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Speaker 1: that in. I don't remember that.
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Speaker 2: Sorry if I just awoke in a repressed memory. It
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Speaker 2: is it is? It is violent.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, it's just that, like Kingpin's been through so
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Speaker 1: much since that moment that there's a lot of other
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Speaker 1: things that come to mind when it comes to Kingpin,
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Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's really cool how Disney has brought
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Speaker 1: these characters like into you know, kept them in in
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Speaker 1: the MCU, and then brought them like basically into our
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Speaker 1: universe here. We've gotten some cool references through the first
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Speaker 1: four episodes, Like there was a Spider Man reference a
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Speaker 1: couple I think it was episode two, we had a scroll.
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Speaker 1: Did you see the scroll reference in episode four today?
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Speaker 1: So they're giving us some cool little tidbits here, bringing them,
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Speaker 1: bringing them fully into the MU and it's exciting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's when I feel like, that's when
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Speaker 2: these shows work best, is when, not necessarily when we're
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Speaker 2: getting like, you know, the exciting crossover. I mean, obviously
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Speaker 2: we all love that, but when this world feels alive
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Speaker 2: and it feels like all the other stories are moving
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Speaker 2: tangently with this story, right, they're all influencing each other.
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Speaker 2: That's that's when this feels most exciting and actually like
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Speaker 2: worth all the time and money that we you know,
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Speaker 2: spend on all of this. Right, So just a real
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Speaker 2: quick knockout on six Sixtembra SYSTEMA laden, I got a
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Speaker 2: brush up on it. But from a quick translation, what
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Speaker 2: we learned was all roads lead to the system. Thus
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Speaker 2: the system is what the translation of that is. And
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Speaker 2: it appears to be a reference to the conversation that
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Speaker 2: Frank and Matt Murdoch have, which, by the way, John
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Speaker 2: birthall back as Frank Castle right right, just oh man.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing. That scene was intense, man like, yes, and
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Speaker 1: the only character that can bring out like the true
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Speaker 1: feeling that Murdock's been basically just like keeping inside him
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Speaker 1: for years is Castle. Of course, the only person that
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Speaker 1: can bring out the true feelings is the guy's basically
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Speaker 1: been through something extremely similar himself. What a scene like.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And you know what, I'm so glad that
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Speaker 2: we're talking about the series on a hole like today
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Speaker 2: after this episode has come out, because I feel like,
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Speaker 2: in talking about Frank and Matt's conversation, you can kind
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Speaker 2: of directly parallel that with the phenomenal scene from episode
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Speaker 2: one where Charlie Cox and Vincent Jenoffrio are in the
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Speaker 2: diner together and they're having their scene. Those scenes very
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Speaker 2: similar yet extremely different, right, Like they're basically at least
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Speaker 2: like what the scene is trying to convey is very
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Speaker 2: similar as to characters trying to probe each other, right,
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Speaker 2: that's the goal of both scenes Whereas the first scene
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Speaker 2: with Fisk and Murdoch is it's very like it's a
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Speaker 2: mental like chess game, you know, they're just going tit
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Speaker 2: for tat, right, Whereas it's just a verbal emotional brawl
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Speaker 2: with Frank and Matt, you know, and just like just
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Speaker 2: nothing but absolute honesty coming out. Whereas apparently Frank are
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Speaker 2: not Frank but Fisk and Matt they're lying, but are
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Speaker 2: they lying to each other or themselves? It's it's kind
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Speaker 2: of hard to say in that scene, whereas in this
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Speaker 2: scene with Frank, Matt's lying to himself and Frank is
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Speaker 2: just calling bs the whole time. It is. It is
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Speaker 2: a phenomenal scene, and it's really cool to think about
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Speaker 2: both of those scenes lining up together and how how
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Speaker 2: different they are because of the characters involved.
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Speaker 1: The characters and then acting performances in the show. So far,
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Speaker 1: so good, especially when it's like a dual, when it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, essentially two characters really driving the scene each time, right,
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Speaker 1: Like you're mentioning the scene from episode one with Kingpin
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Speaker 1: and Murdoch and then of course this one in episode
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Speaker 1: four with Castle and Murdoch again. But then the couples
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Speaker 1: therapy scenes. Who knew couples therapy could be so riveting?
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Speaker 1: The couples therapy scenes between Kingpin and Vanessa like so good, right,
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Speaker 1: and the tension is like you're just waiting for it
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Speaker 1: to like snap here, right, And of course we get
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Speaker 1: a crazy reveal at the end of this episode four
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Speaker 1: about what happened to Adam, which like could have bet
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Speaker 1: all the money in the world that he was definitely
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Speaker 1: dead somewhere, but no, it's much worse than being dead.
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Speaker 1: This is being kept in the prison inside Kingpin's like
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Speaker 1: penthouse aren't real, right, like what? But yeah, the performances
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Speaker 1: are just they're amazing. It's it's a fantastic it's fantastic.
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Speaker 2: So I mean to get at that ending though that
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Speaker 2: you're talking about, and again it is it's another like
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Speaker 2: scene where you can kind of parallel what happened in
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Speaker 2: episode one where you have these two non dialogue scenes
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Speaker 2: running together right between Matt and Fisk, and it feels like,
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Speaker 2: more so than the original Dared Devil show, this show
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Speaker 2: really wants these two characters to be like parallel to
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Speaker 2: each other as much as possible, Like Vincent Denafrio is
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Speaker 2: as much at the star of this shows as Charlie Cox.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and at.
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Speaker 2: The end of episode one, you have that great scene
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Speaker 2: where you have Fisk on the building like accepting his
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Speaker 2: victory right and overlooking New York and he's basked in
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Speaker 2: this white light, right and Matt's on the ground in
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Speaker 2: the street with the chaos and he just has that
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Speaker 2: red light flashing in the side of his face almost
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Speaker 2: like the violent nature is like calling him back right,
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Speaker 2: And then you have the end of this episode where
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Speaker 2: Fisk is he's he's done right, He's he's back to
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Speaker 2: just being Kingpin and doing things the way he wants
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Speaker 2: and reconciling with that violent nature that he has. And
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Speaker 2: Matt same thing. He's on the roof, he's practicing, he's
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Speaker 2: getting ready to like go do what he does best, right,
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Speaker 2: reconcile with the violent nature.
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Speaker 1: They're both they're both coming home.
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Speaker 2: They're both coming home, and they're both born again.
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Speaker 1: Born again. Yeah, exactly, And so the title of the
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Speaker 1: show presents itself, are they are.
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Speaker 2: They really born again?
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Speaker 1: Though?
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Speaker 2: I mean, like I get what we're going for here,
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Speaker 2: but like the beginning is we're different, and then three
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Speaker 2: episodes later, it's we're not different, where it's vacation.
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Speaker 1: It was a long vacation. They had a great time,
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Speaker 1: except they didn't. And now we're back and we're ready
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Speaker 1: to go, and just in time because next week is
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Speaker 1: a two episode release, we'll get five and six back
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Speaker 1: to back, probably because we're gonna see Daredevil in his
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Speaker 1: entirety next week, probably gonna see Kingpin kill someone too.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna stay along the line of they're both basically
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Speaker 1: doing the same thing, just in their own way. Then
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Speaker 1: Daredevil's putting the suit on and Kingpin's gonna do some killing,
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Speaker 1: and you know, everything's gonna be back to how it was.
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Speaker 2: Oh boy, there goes Kingpin killing again. Yeah. The reveal
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Speaker 2: of Adam in the cage, I don't know why I
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Speaker 2: didn't see that coming. I mean, I figured he did
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Speaker 2: something to Adam. I just didn't think we know he.
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Speaker 1: Was something like most likely six feet under right, right,
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Speaker 1: that is so much worse. He's just dude, have long
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Speaker 1: hair too. I don't know what Adam looked like when
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Speaker 1: he was, you know, messing around with r but like
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's been in that cage for a while.
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Speaker 1: That's not how's hair looked.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So like that's That's something that's a little unclear
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Speaker 2: to me, is like how much time has gone by
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Speaker 2: since he found out about Adam And I think, okay,
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Speaker 2: so like we know, we know he confronts her about
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Speaker 2: Adam at the end of episode one where they're standing
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Speaker 2: it's you know, literally the end when he's standing on
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Speaker 2: top of the building and and he mentions it, right,
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Speaker 2: And that's the same scene where Matt is with his
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Speaker 2: new girlfriend and like they're just like starting out dating, right,
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Speaker 2: and bring that up because in this episode he basically
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Speaker 2: says like I love you to her and like how
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Speaker 2: he can't imagine coming home to his apartment without her
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Speaker 2: being there.
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Speaker 1: Well that, Joe, how do you live your life? This song?
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Speaker 1: That is not I love you?
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Speaker 2: That is?
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Speaker 3: That is?
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Speaker 1: That is It's really nice that you're here when I
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Speaker 1: come home.
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Speaker 2: Nah, No, no, I love you. That's not the same thing.
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Speaker 2: Basically the same thing, entirely the same thing.
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Speaker 1: Well, good thing. This isn't a podcast about love. We'd
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Speaker 1: be arguing for another thirty minutes.
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Speaker 2: Listen, listen. Human language is more nuanced than that, all right,
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Speaker 2: and can give the blind guys some credit, all right,
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Speaker 2: he found a more poetic way to say I care
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Speaker 2: about you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, see, that's better. He did say he cares about
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Speaker 1: her any case.
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Speaker 2: Clearly, My point is time has gone by, all right, Yes,
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Speaker 2: you have time for feelings to grow. Yeah, and a
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Speaker 2: meritly hair.
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Speaker 1: And I I mean.
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Speaker 2: He is an artist, so maybe his hair was already long.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm want to make a prediction. Kingpin's not going to
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Speaker 1: kill him, but he is going to cut off his
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Speaker 1: hands because that's what Vanessa really likes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a special they had special attention to
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Speaker 2: his hands on the on the bars there.
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Speaker 1: Twenty bucks, twenty bucks. He cuts his hands off.
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Speaker 2: So I am curious because I don't know anything about
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Speaker 2: an Atom, at least in the context of King beIN
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Speaker 2: in the comics. It's the character that we're introduced to
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Speaker 2: at the end. I suppose spoilers if you don't want
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Speaker 2: to know his name, but like it will tell you
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Speaker 2: probably nothing that you don't already know about the character.
12:52
Speaker 2: I promise I will not reveal anything else because I
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Speaker 2: don't truly know a whole lot about Muse. Is his
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Speaker 2: name and the way that the show has depicted him
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Speaker 2: so far is a hannibal lecter artist, which that's virtually
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Speaker 2: all I really know about him at this point. But
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Speaker 2: my point is why I bring this up is he's
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Speaker 2: an artist. Adam is an artist, so I'm wondering what
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Speaker 2: the relation is there. I mean, it's safe to say
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Speaker 2: that Adam is not Muse based on the sequence of
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Speaker 2: events that we saw, but it does seem curious to
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Speaker 2: make Adam an artist and our villain is an artist,
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Speaker 2: you know, so.
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Speaker 1: Him the Muse killings on Adam.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps we know that Muse based on his his mural
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Speaker 2: he has a fascination with Fisk. So at some point
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Speaker 2: those those worlds will be colliding, and in what role
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Speaker 2: exactly Adam plays in that, we'll see.
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Speaker 1: Very interesting, very interesting observation.
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Speaker 2: You know, like as far as the amount of conflicts
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Speaker 2: that can happen in this show, I have no idea
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Speaker 2: where we're going, because I mean you have obviously we
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Speaker 2: have Fisk and Matthew, which, like that's there. It's inevitable
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Speaker 2: that those two will clash again at some point, right,
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Speaker 2: But then Frank is now back in the mix, and
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Speaker 2: to what role we don't know. But there's also the
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Speaker 2: fake police punishers right running around and at least one
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Speaker 2: who's like gecked out and punish her arm room, right, Right,
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Speaker 2: So there's that, and now we have MWS.
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Speaker 1: So like Vanessa could be thrown in there too. That's
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Speaker 1: a good point because she's running the underground kingpin.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it seems like at this point, you know, yeah, no,
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Speaker 2: that's a great point because I mean it feels like
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Speaker 2: at this point she probably has more more influence over
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Speaker 2: the families than Fisk.
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Speaker 1: Does, right, and the other thing too that we have
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Speaker 1: to mention that isn't related to all the tension, but
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Speaker 1: kind of is is the the reporter the BB Report.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great that's a great call out.
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Speaker 1: Because that's just like, you know, I'm kind of hijacking here.
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Speaker 2: That's basically my point.
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Speaker 1: Great because I want like it kind of segues into
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Speaker 1: like how cool they're shooting this. I love the clippings
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Speaker 1: of the BB Report that they show to give us
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Speaker 1: an idea on how the city actually feels about everything
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Speaker 1: going on. You actually, I actually feel like I live
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Speaker 1: in this city when I'm watching this show because they're
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Speaker 1: cutting in these awesome clips from this reporter and her
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Speaker 1: like independent news, you know, basically like youtubing that she's
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Speaker 1: doing right. And so I think it's a really interesting
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Speaker 1: way to tell the story on how the city's feeling
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Speaker 1: in relation to like how our main characters are like
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Speaker 1: going about their day and reacting to how the city
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Speaker 1: is feeling essentially. So I think it's really cool. But
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Speaker 1: it also throws in that extra factor of like when
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Speaker 1: she gets some information that may be somebody isn't supposed
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Speaker 1: to know, right, Like in this last episode, she gets
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Speaker 1: a leak about the garbage stuff going on, and and
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Speaker 1: Fisk is really pissed that she finds out about this
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Speaker 1: and she breaks the story, kind of ruins his plans.
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Speaker 1: So there's that factor of what's going on in the city.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a conflict that feels like that's definitely
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Speaker 2: gonna come up at some point, especially with bb being
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Speaker 2: the daughter of Ben Urick right and the history that
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Speaker 2: was between Ben and Wilson Fisk from the original show,
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Speaker 2: Fisk being responsible for his death right. So yeah, that
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Speaker 2: that definitely feels like that skeleton will probably come out
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Speaker 2: of the closet at some point.
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Speaker 1: For better for words, for BBE, I agree with.
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Speaker 2: What you're saying though, as far as those clippings, I
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Speaker 2: do love that because we always get these philosophical arguments,
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Speaker 2: whether it's between Fisk and Murdoch or Matt and Frank,
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Speaker 2: about the city, about what's right about justice right. And
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Speaker 2: in the original show, while a lot of these dialogues
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Speaker 2: were written really well, you never really get to hear
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Speaker 2: from the city, and it is really cool that you
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Speaker 2: get to You get this divisive, these divisive opinions about
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Speaker 2: what's going on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's just cool to see that everyone's got
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Speaker 1: there's not one side of course, like every city, that's all.
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Speaker 1: It's just like it like it is now.
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Speaker 2: So I have loved how much courtroom action we get
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Speaker 2: in this show. It's episode three basically was just a
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Speaker 2: law and Order episode. Yeah, and I loved it.
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Speaker 1: It was awesome. I wrote down something about like what
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Speaker 1: she Ho wanted itself to be, you know, like a
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Speaker 1: courtroom drama, Like we wanted this in Sheehok and we
17:49
Speaker 1: didn't get a courtroom drama. We got it an episode
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Speaker 1: three of this one, which is awesome.
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Speaker 2: You know. I had that same thought, Like I almost
17:57
Speaker 2: kind of hated myself for it because I was like,
17:59
Speaker 2: you know, she Hulk was just a fun comedy, courtroom comedy,
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Speaker 2: and like it wasn't trying to be anything else. But
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Speaker 2: we wanted the court room drama.
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Speaker 1: Wanted that, we wanted the drama.
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Speaker 2: I wanted this superhero drama, like, hey, we got it.
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Speaker 2: And honestly, like I thought it tightened really well too,
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Speaker 2: or hand maybe not tighten. I thought it laid down
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Speaker 2: the groundwork of where we are in this world and
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Speaker 2: how this world feels about like superheroes, right, we Actually
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Speaker 2: I think we learned in she Hulk that the Cecovia
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Speaker 2: Accords had been repealed and superhero registry was like no
18:44
Speaker 2: longer like a thing, So like, if it's no longer
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Speaker 2: a thing, like, where are we legally with vigilantes? Right?
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Speaker 2: So it's really interesting to see legally how that plays out,
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Speaker 2: and then you know how people's feelings and thoughts are
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Speaker 2: about vigilanteism. I freaking love this is a like, if
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Speaker 2: you're not paying attention line, you'll miss it. The debate
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Speaker 2: that Fiscus having with another politician in episode one, and
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Speaker 2: you only see Matt watching TV, so it's like you're
19:17
Speaker 2: not even directly witnessing the debate. You're just you're watching
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Speaker 2: the TV with Matt, and you're kind of kind of
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Speaker 2: listening to what fisc is saying. The politician says something
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Speaker 2: along the lines of you know, we're gonna we're gonna
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Speaker 2: start registering these vigilantes, and Physic chimes in and says,
19:35
Speaker 2: registering vigilantes, you might as well make a grocery list
19:39
Speaker 2: of cancers. That was a hilarious lot and then he
19:46
Speaker 2: gets right into I propose action, which like, I would
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Speaker 2: never vote for someone like that, but that that would
19:53
Speaker 2: get my attention. That would get my attention.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I get you had heard it here first, folks,
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Speaker 1: Joe did not vote for Fisk and the election, but.
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Speaker 2: He almost can fix it.
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Speaker 1: It was close, yeah, real quick, because we're on the
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Speaker 1: courtroom drama episode that was awesome. I'm really pissed at
20:17
Speaker 1: White Tiger's dad, super disappointing. That's the performance from was
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Speaker 1: it his daughter's his niece niece Angela? That quick performance
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of episode four. Excellent job by that
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Speaker 1: young actress. That was really cool and heart wrenching, a
20:40
Speaker 1: great call out. And then well what was the other
20:44
Speaker 1: The other speech in episode four from like a non
20:47
Speaker 1: main character is Fisks. I don't even know the kid's name,
20:52
Speaker 1: the guy who leaked the garbage article to the bb report.
20:55
Speaker 2: I damn it.
20:56
Speaker 1: I forget his name because it's really not important because
20:59
Speaker 1: he's basically a he's basically the idiot in the room
21:02
Speaker 1: every time. But he like somehow and he admitted it
21:07
Speaker 1: to himself at the end that he shouldn't even be there,
21:09
Speaker 1: you know. But his speech was really and his apology
21:13
Speaker 1: was really awesome. I thought he did a great job there,
21:16
Speaker 1: And obviously I think that if Fisk doesn't have the
21:19
Speaker 1: forgiveness conversation in the therapy session earlier in the episode,
21:23
Speaker 1: Fisk probably doesn't let it fly, but he's working on himself,
21:27
Speaker 1: so maybe it's progress. But I think it's safe to
21:32
Speaker 1: say that this kid signed his own death warrant when
21:35
Speaker 1: he said it would never happen again. There's no way.
21:37
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah. My immediate thought to that, like, I'm sorry.
21:44
Speaker 2: The Penguin like changed me forever about gangsters taking on
21:50
Speaker 2: father's son rules with just random kids, Like, yeah, this
21:54
Speaker 2: kids screwed.
21:55
Speaker 1: Why do you have to bring up VIC Man, I'm
21:57
Speaker 1: still healing.
22:00
Speaker 2: Spoilers if you haven't seen The Penguin.
22:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, Also, this is currently a Marvel mcu episode. Don't
22:07
Speaker 1: bring DC into this be doing.
22:11
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, man, he changes me, changed me forever. Boy,
22:15
Speaker 2: it was a should watch The Penguin. It's a really
22:18
Speaker 2: good show.
22:19
Speaker 1: But right here there you go.
22:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I agree that that character feels like
22:28
Speaker 2: a doomed character. I mean it feels like any anyone
22:31
Speaker 2: that Fisk is willing to pour any amount of love
22:34
Speaker 2: into they're they're doomed. And that does what that is
22:40
Speaker 2: what that feels like to me right where Fisk he is.
22:44
Speaker 2: He's got this increasing distance between him and Vanessa. He's
22:50
Speaker 2: lost Maya, right, someone that he even described as a
22:56
Speaker 2: Saragate daughter. And you have this this kid who just
22:59
Speaker 2: like worships the ground and that he's on. And even
23:03
Speaker 2: though I think Fisk, you know he that that kid
23:07
Speaker 2: appealed to all of the right like notes for Fisk,
23:11
Speaker 2: right right, I think Fisk is correct in what I mean. Like,
23:16
Speaker 2: as the kid was talking, I was like, this is
23:17
Speaker 2: obviously what's supposed to come across. But the kid is
23:20
Speaker 2: obviously incredibly courageous for a just like sticking his neck out.
23:25
Speaker 2: Because like everyone appears to know to a degree what
23:30
Speaker 2: Fisk is right, Like maybe they don't know exactly, but
23:33
Speaker 2: like they all sort of know.
23:35
Speaker 1: They all know.
23:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rumor about the car people know about the
23:40
Speaker 2: car door. People were like, yeah I heard her rumors
23:42
Speaker 2: smashed the car dude's head with a car door. Yeah,
23:45
Speaker 2: they know, so like a courage is and then be
23:49
Speaker 2: like super loyal right for for better for worse. But yeah,
23:53
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you. The performance was awesome. That
23:56
Speaker 2: kid is screwed, well said.
24:00
Speaker 1: That's that's the line. Moving on one other thing that's
24:08
Speaker 1: really cool is I love the detective work from Murdoch
24:12
Speaker 1: in these first couple of episodes, right, like finding the
24:15
Speaker 1: casing from the White Tiger death and then using his
24:19
Speaker 1: nose to uh realize I guess that it or he
24:26
Speaker 1: whatever his nose in his hands, I guess to figure
24:28
Speaker 1: out the casing had a punisher thing on it. Then
24:29
Speaker 1: he went to find Castle, uh right, because he like
24:34
Speaker 1: he had to hunt down Castle because he didn't know
24:36
Speaker 1: where he was. So, like, you know, he's just like
24:39
Speaker 1: and he's got a line. He's basically a walking line detector,
24:41
Speaker 1: which you've kind of knew that already, but like, I
24:44
Speaker 1: just love seeing the built in detective work that Murdock's
24:47
Speaker 1: got based on his.
24:48
Speaker 2: Like oh yeah, and like couple that with the the
24:52
Speaker 2: editing that we're seeing for to highlight his powers. Right,
24:56
Speaker 2: I think Born Again is doing such a better job
24:59
Speaker 2: of showing us how he perceives the world. There's that
25:04
Speaker 2: shot in episode one in the bar where Matt hears
25:08
Speaker 2: the phone conversation of Foggy outside and we get to
25:13
Speaker 2: see Matt and then the camera pushes past Matt and
25:18
Speaker 2: everything goes out of focus. But like as the camera
25:20
Speaker 2: is pushing closer and closer to the window where Foggy is.
25:24
Speaker 2: You're hearing like the peripheral sounds start to like fade out,
25:28
Speaker 2: get foggier, if you will, as the Foggy voice becomes
25:34
Speaker 2: like more narrow and more concentrated. That is some awesome
25:37
Speaker 2: visual editing. That's some awesome audio editing, and like, I
25:41
Speaker 2: feel like his powers have never looked and sounded cooler
25:44
Speaker 2: than they do in this show.
25:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point, and the editing is fantastic,
25:49
Speaker 1: along with the fight choreography of course, like is they're
25:51
Speaker 1: crushing it. You brought up Foggy just want to do
25:55
Speaker 1: a quick passover? They killed him.
25:57
Speaker 2: So sad they killed them.
26:01
Speaker 3: We're sat anyway, moving on, Yeah, that was so shocking
26:09
Speaker 3: episode one, like on, like every episode has such shocking
26:14
Speaker 3: moments so far.
26:15
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's just the mL of the show moving forward,
26:18
Speaker 1: Like there's no way Episode five and six on end
26:21
Speaker 1: with another crazy thing that's going on, So we'll see.
26:24
Speaker 2: But I did enjoy how fast the show was, all right,
26:30
Speaker 2: So let me rephrase this. I really enjoyed that the
26:33
Speaker 2: show was going to acknowledge where it had come from
26:37
Speaker 2: and as quickly I don't know how smoothly this is necessarily,
26:41
Speaker 2: but as quickly as it can create the segue between
26:45
Speaker 2: original Daredevil and Born Again. Right, Yes, like we're getting
26:50
Speaker 2: rid of our trio, our entourage, right, and we are
26:54
Speaker 2: reinforcing this as a fisks show and that this is
26:56
Speaker 2: a Matt Murdoch show, and we're going to surround them
26:59
Speaker 2: with new characters, mostly.
27:01
Speaker 1: Some may characters. Mostly.
27:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I think other than I mean, Karen survived,
27:06
Speaker 2: but she's out of the show basically for now. Other
27:10
Speaker 2: than Vanessa, I don't think that there are any other peripheral,
27:13
Speaker 2: peripheral characters. Well, I guess Frank now right, but I
27:17
Speaker 2: wouldn't have called him a regular character on Daredevil.
27:20
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, they're they're doing a great job there,
27:22
Speaker 1: and really it's it's just it's fresh, the whole thing.
27:25
Speaker 1: So they've really done a great job.
27:29
Speaker 2: Actually, you know, there was one thing I wanted to
27:31
Speaker 2: bring up for before we close things out episode three,
27:35
Speaker 2: when we're talking about all the people that White Tiger
27:37
Speaker 2: saved and all the different police officers who who respected that.
27:43
Speaker 2: Officer Morales Is mentioned that that's like that's a that's
27:48
Speaker 2: a Miles Morales reference, right, Like you can't just do that, right, gotta.
27:53
Speaker 1: Be They already mentioned Spider Man two, like.
27:55
Speaker 2: Right, like, yeah, you can't just bring up an officer
27:59
Speaker 2: by last name and not make us think of Miles's dad.
28:02
Speaker 2: Immediately got a little.
28:04
Speaker 1: TV show based in New York. They're giving us all
28:06
Speaker 1: the cameo all that not cameos, but all the slight
28:09
Speaker 1: mentions of all these other things going on in the
28:11
Speaker 1: MCU really cool.
28:13
Speaker 2: A lot to look forward to the show, I think,
28:15
Speaker 2: ultimately I am. I'm just really excited to see people
28:20
Speaker 2: start suiting up. You know, I want to see Matt
28:22
Speaker 2: suit up. I want to see Fisk suit up. I
28:24
Speaker 2: want to see I really want to see Frank suit up.
28:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see the new suit Man. There's
28:29
Speaker 1: I know there's gonna be a fresh take on it. Yeah.
28:32
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28:36
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