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What's a Rune? (S1 E12, “Double Date”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in. Oh, thank you. I am all
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  Speaker 1: in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. All right,
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  Speaker 1: hevery everybody, welcome back. This is Scott Patterson and this
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  Speaker 1: is the I Am All In podcast I Heart Radio.
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  Speaker 1: What an episode? My god? Was this episode fun? Or what?
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna bring in Riley now? And we're going to
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  Speaker 1: do synopsis of Double Date? So twelve, go ahead, Roley.
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  Speaker 1: This is episode twelve, Double Date Air date, January one. Lane,
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  Speaker 1: convinced that Dean's friend is the boy for her, convinces
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  Speaker 1: Rory to double date with her. Laura. Laie reluctantly accepts
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  Speaker 1: a double blind date with Jackson, Sukie and Jackson's cousin. Rude.
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  Speaker 1: You asked out? You asked out? I did twice twice,
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  Speaker 1: and and not denied twice but interrupted twice. What it
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  Speaker 1: was like asking out? Datus interrupt us, Mrs Mrs Kim
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  Speaker 1: comes storming in looking for Lane, like throwing a mom
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  Speaker 1: fit right in the middle of my asking out, Laurel. Right,
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  Speaker 1: it just it just I just kept getting jammed up. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we listen to it? Why don't we listen to that?
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  Speaker 1: Let's go ahead, you know, maybe sometime we could again
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  Speaker 1: Eastern playing it again, you know, maybe sometime we could moments.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember it? I don't, and I really like
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  Speaker 1: and I don't like watching myself, but I like watching
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  Speaker 1: this stuff because it's so underplayed, and I really like it.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's small, you know, the acting is small, so
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  Speaker 1: it can be big, and it's just I really liked it. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed that and her look when after waitingnute at
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  Speaker 1: the end he does it again and he's successful. Right
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  Speaker 1: at the end of it, he's successful. She's wearing that
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  Speaker 1: she's she has a ponytail, and she's wearing that top,
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  Speaker 1: that cool looking top that she had on. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that time, it was more like, oh, we'll do it
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  Speaker 1: again sometimes right right, right right. It was more casual.
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  Speaker 1: But didn't she look so good when she when she
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  Speaker 1: looked at me as I was going back behind the counter.
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  Speaker 1: You mean tall, tall Lorea Lie, tall tall Lorea Lie
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  Speaker 1: with her big ears, right tall, her size and what
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  Speaker 1: size shoe do you wear? So we're gonna get into
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  Speaker 1: all this. We're gonna get into uh uh double date.
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  Speaker 1: What an episode, guys. This was. This was just a
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  Speaker 1: laugh riot from beginning to end. It could have been
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  Speaker 1: called double double date. Yes, could have been all, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the attack of Lane's mom. I had such higher hopes
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  Speaker 1: for Lane's date, and then that didn't turn out how
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  Speaker 1: I hoped it would. Yeah, she tried, She tried, Lane tried.
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  Speaker 1: It was a valiant effort to try to get some
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  Speaker 1: kind of intelligence out of this boy. Um, there was
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  Speaker 1: no intelligence to be had out of this young boy,
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  Speaker 1: Dean's friend. I guess he's a bro, he's a good
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  Speaker 1: dude and all that, but man, I tell you he's
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  Speaker 1: not yet turned into dating material. Yeah, he wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't the word smith. Lane was hoping he's no Dean.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Watching this episode, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: Dean is such a babe, like kissing her and doing
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. I was like, if I
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  Speaker 1: was Rory, I would be all about Dean, which she is.
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  Speaker 1: But major hot points for in this episode. He was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, quite adamant that he wanted to chew on
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  Speaker 1: her face when he wanted to do it. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to listen, he didn't want to do favors. He
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to mc daddy, mcdaddy, mcdaddy, let's break down,
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  Speaker 1: Mrs Kim because what do we think of Mrs Kim?
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  Speaker 1: Is she way too strict? Is she just look looking
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  Speaker 1: out for her daughter's best interest? Is she just out
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  Speaker 1: of her mind? Mrs Kim is so strict. But it
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  Speaker 1: puts Rory in this predicament that we've seen a couple
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  Speaker 1: of times where she has to lie to do what
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  Speaker 1: Lane wants, you know, or Lane is always hiding out
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  Speaker 1: at their house or uh. In this case, even Rory's
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  Speaker 1: in trouble because she lied, which makes lore Lie upset.
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  Speaker 1: So it is sort of a situation ship. What was
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  Speaker 1: the lie? She she lied? Date? Right? We right, she
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  Speaker 1: couldn't go on a date. It's supposed to be at
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  Speaker 1: Rory's house, and she's at the movies with the boy
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  Speaker 1: and she's not supposed to be and and and and
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  Speaker 1: Rory didn't tell Laura Liae that Lane was going to
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  Speaker 1: be on the date either yeah, or she didn't tell
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  Speaker 1: her that Lane wasn't allowed to go. Yeah, because Rory
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  Speaker 1: told Laura Lee, I'm going We're going to the movies
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  Speaker 1: with Dean, but didn't fail to or didn't say that, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: Mrs Kim doesn't know this play right? And then you
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  Speaker 1: know that puts Laura in a bad spot because now
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  Speaker 1: Mrs Kim can't trust her going forward. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think Laura Lee will lie as a mom to another mom.
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  Speaker 1: She won't do it. Yeah, she definitely has mom code.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's there are challenging elements for Rory
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  Speaker 1: and Lane because they want to do things and they
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  Speaker 1: you know, it goes back to even the candy bar.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's mine. They've a lion to Mrs Kim since uh,
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  Speaker 1: episode two or whatever episode that was, But that was
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  Speaker 1: that when Laura I went to see Mrs Kim. That
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  Speaker 1: was a powerful scene. It was a beautifully acted scene
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  Speaker 1: by Emily Corona. Wow. Yes, And it's it could be
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  Speaker 1: hurtful to Laurel that there's judgment. Even though Laura LA
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  Speaker 1: has proven herself to be in a really excellent mother,
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  Speaker 1: Mrs Kim still has judgment, right, she's blaming Laureala for
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  Speaker 1: that when it's not her faults. And Laura LA shows
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  Speaker 1: up and now Emily mrs Kim sees her as like,
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  Speaker 1: you're a screw up and Laura I admits that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I screwed up and I'll never be what the mom? That?
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  Speaker 1: What did she say? She sails? She said something so
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  Speaker 1: self deprecated. She goes and very nasty, but she handled
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  Speaker 1: it beautifully. Mrs Kim said, I hope I don't want
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  Speaker 1: Lane to turn out like you, And she said, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, I don't want Lane to turn out like
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  Speaker 1: me either, And what a what a moment? My god? Um,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't want and I don't want Rory to
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  Speaker 1: turn out like me either. Again, Yeah, Mrs Kim has
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  Speaker 1: the best of intentions, she just has a first way. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, trust is a big deal. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's it's a big deal. I think it's also
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  Speaker 1: a respect thing, at least with you know, mother daughter.
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  Speaker 1: With my family, it's the same thing. You know. It's
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  Speaker 1: like if your dad gives you these rules, you follow them.
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  Speaker 1: And Lane wasn't doing that. So I think Mrs Kim
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  Speaker 1: saw red when she found out that not only was
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  Speaker 1: her daughter lying, but she also wasn't obeying her and
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  Speaker 1: respecting her. Very interesting dynamic and what a powerful actress
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  Speaker 1: coming into Luke's diner, breaking up my moment, my moment?
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  Speaker 1: Where is my moment? Here we go? You know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: sometime we could. I wonder what would have happened had
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  Speaker 1: Mrs Kim not just like barged into the diner. Would
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  Speaker 1: you have gotten your kiss you years earlier? No? I
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  Speaker 1: think she delayed it a little bit, not much. Who
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  Speaker 1: knows if if things were to go stay on his plans, Um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: would have happened probably that year, that season. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: life got in the way for four years. We weren't
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  Speaker 1: ready for it. Wait, what card game was that you
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  Speaker 1: guys were playing? Five card draw? Is that coker? But
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  Speaker 1: you let her break the rules but I did. I
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  Speaker 1: gave her four extra and if you want four cards,
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  Speaker 1: you have to show your ace. The only way you
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  Speaker 1: can get four cards is to have an ace. And
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  Speaker 1: I didn't require that. She showed me right, So I
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  Speaker 1: was just like, really, just like you, just you just
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  Speaker 1: really like her? Yeah, I like her scene I did.
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  Speaker 1: I liked when he pulled when he pulled out the
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  Speaker 1: deck of cards. I think that was cool because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: when I grew up playing cards, That's what we do
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  Speaker 1: on these coasts. We played a lot of cards when
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  Speaker 1: our kids. We gambled when our kids. It was unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Do we feel that Jackson and Suki are on their
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  Speaker 1: way now? That was some of the best acted stuff
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  Speaker 1: I've seen yet. Those two together were magic. That was hysterical,
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  Speaker 1: and the moment that laurelized just like not she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know what's going on. She's just trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: why these two are being so awkward and and tentative
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  Speaker 1: with one another. It was hysterical. Was that a great scene? Oh? Sure, no,
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  Speaker 1: you can lie to No, thank you? Right? It was
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  Speaker 1: completely different behavior with their normal and everyone can relate
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  Speaker 1: because Suki did throw it out there and then they
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  Speaker 1: never get the day and she doesn't want to be
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  Speaker 1: the one to say it again. Yeah, but come on,
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  Speaker 1: he's gotta he's got to grow a pair and and
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  Speaker 1: call him like, come on, I agree? What the heck
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  Speaker 1: was that all about? Like she should like be be
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  Speaker 1: a modern woman and you call him no, you want
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  Speaker 1: to go out sometime? Yeah? What about Suki's palm hair
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  Speaker 1: upd favorite? It was so like promsk in her dress,
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  Speaker 1: she looks I loved, I loved everything about the whole
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  Speaker 1: double day. How can you not love Melissa McCarthy, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what what a performance? What what a just incredibly likable
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  Speaker 1: actress person, so vulnerable, so sweet, you can't not root
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  Speaker 1: for her? I mean it's it's impossible. It's humanly impossible
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  Speaker 1: not to root for her. Um, just just great stuff,
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  Speaker 1: really great stuff. Um, what else can and there was
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  Speaker 1: there was no Emily in this at all? Was there?
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  Speaker 1: I noticed there was no only no clown pillow either.
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  Speaker 1: It was very It was less stressful an episode, even
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  Speaker 1: with the Max Parlick stuff and going after Laurela that way.
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  Speaker 1: It was it just seemed like, you know, Emily's character
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  Speaker 1: does introduce an element of stress, um, very entertaining where
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  Speaker 1: he needed um, but the tension really ratchets up when
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  Speaker 1: she comes on screen. That was missing in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: There was far less tension um because I think what
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  Speaker 1: what what Mrs Kim was doing was real and powerful,
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  Speaker 1: but sort of more comedic, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: It was more um, Oh, it was just funnier stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Maybe sometimes we could Oh my god, did
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  Speaker 1: you hear the accent so much? You know, maybe some
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  Speaker 1: time we could sometime you had an accent? What is
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  Speaker 1: that accent? Gilmore? Yeah, that's the Gilmore. I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to find the character, you know, in the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the series, and uh, you know, sometime you good, it's
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  Speaker 1: how you're doing. Maybe sometime God, you guys, I would
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  Speaker 1: so shook when it happened. I think I didn't remember
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  Speaker 1: from the other five times I've seen this episode, and
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  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I'm like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: like alone, I'm talking to the TV. Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he's asked around twice. I mean, I was going
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  Speaker 1: to the hoop. I don't know if I was going
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  Speaker 1: to hoop very strong, but I was going to the hoop. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I agree with it. I got foul. Mrs Kim fouled
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  Speaker 1: me and she found I couldn't get to the hope.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't strong, but it was real. It was real, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it was strong. It was like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: let's compare the methodology of a Max mctina versus a Luke.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what do you guys prefer. Yeah, Max is
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  Speaker 1: coming in hot, and it's coming too hot, like just
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  Speaker 1: like he's going to get called for an offensive foul.
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  Speaker 1: He's coming too strong to the hoop. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: called that quick out of the shoots, so you never
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  Speaker 1: want to trust too quick out of the shoots. It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: dial it back. Yeah, he came in too hot, and
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  Speaker 1: that's why it's if you want a girl like Laurela,
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  Speaker 1: you better be a little crafty about it. You better
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  Speaker 1: be kind of you know, just subtle, under the radar
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  Speaker 1: when she least expect it, like boom. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? Can I give an off the wall comparison? Different, different,
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  Speaker 1: but yet the same Carrie and Mr Big because she
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  Speaker 1: did not come quick out of the shoots. And it's like,
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  Speaker 1: that's why it worked for all those years. Oh, get yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I know what it is. I've seen episodes. I like it,
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  Speaker 1: but I just never watched it from beginning. Then it's
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  Speaker 1: just that dance. It's that dance that you and Lorela
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  Speaker 1: are going to do, and it's going to last because
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  Speaker 1: you're not just like in our face. I didn't realize
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  Speaker 1: I was on her this quick. I'm trying to close
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  Speaker 1: that deal started in episode two when she asked if
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  Speaker 1: you were cute? That was the biggest dead giveaway of anything.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think Luke is cute? I'll never forget it.
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  Speaker 1: I got a full bucket of golf balls, have only
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  Speaker 1: hit a couple of balls. I got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: balls left. It's a really unfortunate way of putting it.
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  Speaker 1: I just heard myself say that, really, really, what what
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  Speaker 1: is a rune. What is a ruin? The name my
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  Speaker 1: parents gave me, that's what it is. No, No, what
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  Speaker 1: is it rune? How did they name you Ruin? What
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  Speaker 1: is it ruin? You see it? Do? At the counter?
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  Speaker 1: She's like says up about what's a room? What's a rune? God?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, did she just want to smack him? Or
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? Did he? He's so deserved it. When
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  Speaker 1: she wanted to powder her nose, he said to her,
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  Speaker 1: he under his breath, he looked at her, goes he
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  Speaker 1: better get a lot of powder. Gonna need a lot
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  Speaker 1: of powder for that. No, no, he Danielle caught something
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  Speaker 1: amazing that I did not notice that she can reveal
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  Speaker 1: to the world. What what is this? When they were
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  Speaker 1: at dinner, did you see rune beheading the butter and
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  Speaker 1: then and then in another shot and then another shot.
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  Speaker 1: The swan was still still had a head. So he
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  Speaker 1: that was a little against us, as he Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: beheading the swans butter. Swans. Fancy. I had to rewind
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  Speaker 1: it like five times because it's like he did not
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  Speaker 1: just do that. Now, what is your gut that he
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  Speaker 1: was directed to do that? Or he thought of it?
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  Speaker 1: Because we will ask him. We will ask him. I
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  Speaker 1: think I'm gonna put my money on that's his choice.
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  Speaker 1: I think he came up with that. If he did,
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  Speaker 1: he is a genius. Yes, there's, there's and worthy of
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  Speaker 1: the award he won. He won an Independent Spirit Award
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  Speaker 1: for Best Supporting Mail on drug Store Cowboy by the Way,
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  Speaker 1: Little fact toy. Yes, he's just he's he's he's quite
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  Speaker 1: and he was in blow with Johnny Depp. He's the
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  Speaker 1: guy that gave him up at the end of the film.
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  Speaker 1: He was in Ferrispieler's Day Off and Can't Buy Me Love. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know that, but I see he's also in blow
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  Speaker 1: with Johnny Depp. He's so I love Max Perlck's so icon.
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  Speaker 1: He's that guy gonna I need more, I need more?
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  Speaker 1: What what do you want me to do? It's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you only make one flight, a couple of
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  Speaker 1: flights a week. We need more, We need more. What
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  Speaker 1: he's on Today's part way? Max Perlock is coming on today? Alright, alright,
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  Speaker 1: let's get Max on right now. Can't wait to talk
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  Speaker 1: to him. Let's get him on. Run Run buddy, Hello,
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  Speaker 1: hey budd, what's happening? Where are you I'm at home
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  Speaker 1: in Okay, cool by the piano. There you go, Buddy,
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  Speaker 1: Nice to see you, Max Perlick, Ladies and Gentlemen. Here
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  Speaker 1: he is. He appeared as Ruining a total of three episodes.
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  Speaker 1: He's an American film television actor's career began when he
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  Speaker 1: dropped out of high school to pursue a small part
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  Speaker 1: in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, and then appeared and Can't
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  Speaker 1: Buy Me Love? Playing Close eight drug Store Cowboy eighty nine.
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  Speaker 1: He won the Independent Spirit Award for Best Supporting Mail
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  Speaker 1: and Drugs Store Cowboy. Wow Um. And also it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mention here, but one of my favorite movies Blow Uh
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  Speaker 1: you were You were also in Blow opposite Johnny Depp,
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  Speaker 1: and I have some questions for you about that on
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  Speaker 1: television here and Gilmore Girls Charmed. My name is Earl Terminator,
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Connor Chronicles, Luscious Jackson, Max, Welcome to I Am
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  Speaker 1: All In podcast. How you doing pal? Huh? Thank you?
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  Speaker 1: So so you've appeared in in some iconic projects, uh
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  Speaker 1: like Ferris bure Loose, Day Off and Charms. How how
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: did you get tell us about the process of getting
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  Speaker 1: the role of Roon on Gilmore Ruin was put to me. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and I was really excited about the professionals and the
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  Speaker 1: skill sets that they had. Uh Palladino uh uh Lauren
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  Speaker 1: uh uh ed ed Edward Herman is it Edward Herman?
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  Speaker 1: I mean amazing casting, amazing production staff, writing staff. They
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  Speaker 1: had a system that was just locked in and all
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  Speaker 1: you had to do is basically, in my opinion, to
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  Speaker 1: show up and be able to make it sing. And
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  Speaker 1: if you had to have that cadence, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: their with the material was just if you understood any
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  Speaker 1: kind of any kind of tone, if you had any
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  Speaker 1: kind of musical inclinations, you did well with with their
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  Speaker 1: writing because it was really just about the tempo. You know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it felt it felt like an Iambic almost, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there was there definitely was a rhythm to it. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: um yeah, you know, and you know I've been on
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  Speaker 1: you know, I did a sign Feld that I was
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  Speaker 1: very organized and buttoned down. I did All and Will
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  Speaker 1: and Grace. I did some other stuff before I got
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  Speaker 1: Gilmore and it was all really smooth, sailing, great cruise.
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  Speaker 1: Did Gilmore more of the same. But then after after
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  Speaker 1: I did Gilmore, I did a couple of series and
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  Speaker 1: it was just kind of a mess, you know. It
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  Speaker 1: was I really missed that whole Gilmore crew and how
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  Speaker 1: how cracked they were, you know, and how they really
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  Speaker 1: had it or it was kubricky and you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: like Stanley Kubrick was known for his organization and that
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  Speaker 1: that's what you need to bring to bear on a
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  Speaker 1: on a TV set. So tell us a little bit
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: about your first day on set. What you can remember
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: being a first day on set. I remember being nervous
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: um because I felt, you know, it was high bar two.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I was always just nervous because there was a lot
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: of people, uh that You're always used to seeing the
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: positions of the the different guys crew, but when it
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: comes to being in touch with the material, I always
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: just felt like I needed to really be it focused
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and I just wanted to to just watch as much
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: as possible and absorb their process, the workings for the
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: cast and how you guys were working to just kind
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: of tap into that so that I could do my
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: my due diligence. And I was just trying to mesh
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: with you know, get a get a good feel, you know,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and it's always it's like you're the new kid in
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: school because you're you know, your guests are you know
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that feeling that you kind of I built my resume
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: in the nineties on guest starring on big sitcoms, and yeah,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: it's nerve wracking, really nerve wracking. I did a Einfeld
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and that was really nerve wracking, because that's like getting
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: called up to the big leagues and you don't know
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: if you're ready or not, you know, but I get it. Yeah,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I just know that I aspire to be with it
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and be in, you know, for the greater good and
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: be able to to tap into what the writer has
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: put down and at the very least expects the cadiens
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: to be there. And you you hope, and you wish
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: you can hire the right athletes to go to that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: for you. And and I just felt really lucky, and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I felt like I was in good a really good company,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to I wanted to do well, that's
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: kind of what I remember. Well, you hit it out
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: of the park, pal, what a great episode. Hysterically funny.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, just you know, being so contentious with with
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Laurel I and he's calling her an East German basketball
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: player and she's too tall, and I mean that was hysterical,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: absolutely hysterical, to be fair. I mean, Room, you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: really had great aspirations of becoming a you know, a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: top rate cort of culturist and caret grower, and he, uh,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: you know, he didn't tell Jackson about his aspirations, but
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: he was going to take over Jackson's business. And you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: if they would have let him go, Jackson would have
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: been out on his heels, and you know, ruined had
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: taken over his identity. So that's so let me ask
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: you this. Uh, A lot of people on this staff
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: want to know. His producers want to know. Was it
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: your idea to cut the heads off the butter Swans? Yeah?
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I knew, I knew it. I was right. I won
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the bet, I won the I didn't know whether I
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: get captured. But then I remember the deep going, oh, yeah,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: we gotta go around and get a single the the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the butt because I was just like, what can I do?
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Because I'm just saying over here, what what kind of
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: business can I? You know, they do back? You know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think about the editor, you know, true. Yeah,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that's that's one of the things actors have to think
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: about as the editor by accident. I guess it was
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: by accident, but I just kind of was looked it
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: up so I could watch the episode before I got
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: a link. And somebody who's a reviewer or like a fan,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: a really big fan of your of the show, was
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: reviewing the episode and when my scene came on, when
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: he saw me, he's like, who's that guy think he is?
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: That guy is a little prick? Is he? What a
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: lame punk? Really? Really know? Is that what you think?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And he was just like and then it was hilarious.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: It was really good. That's very colorful language from from
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I Take my Head Off America. There you go? And
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: what was it like working with Lauren Graham? Did you
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: did you? Did you enjoy that? Professional h just amazing
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: girl had a lot of weight on her shoulders and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: she just handled it like class acts, smooth, smooth the operator,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: really a nice, well mannered, down to earth What more
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: can you want? You know? She just she made it
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: releasy on me, as did everyone else there. And all
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I had to do with my eyes would show up
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: into a part of this great happening right right? Did
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: you know that? Did you know that you were going
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to do more episodes or what they just book you
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: one at a time, as I remember, I think they
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: were one at a time, right, I just remember I
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: had Ted Demi passed away on the last episode I
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: was doing. It, just passed them at the basketball playing
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: basketball down in Venice, runt of mine and we had
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: we were we had a working relationship in them and uh,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I was really tore up about it and I couldn't
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: get finished this episode, this last episode I was doing,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: which was a holiday episode. I did my best, you know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I struggled through it. But they were really kind to me.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Everyone was so sweet. But I just, yeah, I remember
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that was something that was going on for the audience.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Ted Demi was the director of Blow, the film you
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: did with Johnny Depp. Did he write the Did he
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: write the film as well? No? Jed wrote he did
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: script rewrites, but he uh didn't. He didn't write the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: original screen. Okay, him and he and uh Bruce Porter
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and it was Nick Cassavetti's John, right, I know, And
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Nick wrote the Nick wrote that yeah it Ted was
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: was contributing to it. Oh my goodness. Okay. Nick Cassavetti's
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: is the son of John Cassavetti is the great actor
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and great independent director. I think it was it was him.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Bruce Porter wrote the the book, the novel, but I'm
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: not positive that Nick Nick could have done the other front.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: We also did a phone called Beautiful Girls together. Ted
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: was a great director. He did uh Life, He did
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the ref Dennis Leary was one of his great friends.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, I had a great great I love
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Ted with all my heart and I miss him dearly.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: He was a great great was a big loss. I
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: remember that was very shocking, and he was very young.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Ted Ted just had you know, he started your MTV raps.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: That was his first gig and he was the producer
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that and uh he had just all three was Johnny
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and I and Ted had had our second kids at
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the time, and it was his kid was like three
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: weeks four weeks old. Next tragic. I want to love it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: You give me one second. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: get cause I get. I always get emotional talked about
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: said I apologize, No, no need to apologize. Totally understand.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: So let's get back to Ruin a little bit. Okay,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: what is seriously like they? You know, I know, Laurel,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I asked you in the episode what is a ruin?
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: But I would like to know what is it? Do
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: you know what a ruin is? No? Do you do?
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: You know what a ruin? I mean I had my
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: own kind of idea. Well, there was a game when
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I was a kid that you played ruins. There's a game.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a game, but they're based
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: on um, you know, ruins were sort of headpieces, right,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: is like a Dungeons and Dragon's type of a deal.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Ruin like ruin like a like a tale, like a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: like an old like a scary uh like uh remember
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it of some place? Yeah, I don't know. They were
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: like I don't know that. They were like these uh
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: made out of stone and they were wrecked angular and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: there were runs and they had symbols on them. You
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: sort of can tell that you throw the ruins in
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: a certain pattern, you tell the future or something like that.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Or they're like teri cards like dice kind of yeah,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: but they're big, Yeah, they're anyway. So maybe that as
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: it was like the magic eight ball type of a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Dane right right, Like you threw it down like dice,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: you never know what you're gonna get. Maybe that was
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the point. Maybe that's why you were named Rune. Yeah,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's brilliantly. I think you did it. I
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: think that's he's counted chat. Oh my goodness. So you
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: didn't your character didn't like Laurela at all? Was it?
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you, was it? Was it difficult in
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: those scenes keeping a straight face doing those in those
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: lines or did you really believe it when you were
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: saying that stuff? Well, I mean, it's all part of
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the package, buddy, you know, I got to bring something
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to the game there. You know, I had to have
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: something intense, you know, a whole kind of uh good.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: But I had to do the the rude mumbo to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: be able to to I had to really believe all
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of that. I had to bring it, buddy. You know,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it's easy. I don't get up like you know. It
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: ain't easy like this getting up like this. You know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: you you you think this is just it comes out
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: of the package like this, But no, there's a lot
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: of thought that goes into these uh these rooms here.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it looks easy. But to be
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: able to do these brutal things with the butter, you know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of guts, a lot of a lot
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: of normal people would do would be a clue. It
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: would be a clue on them. You know what the
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: clue is the two Chois. It's like a Kiki's It's like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: you know, you get coist with something cursed, you get cursed.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Oh Coist got even speaking like one of the three stooges.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Don't get Choist all right? Um um so really so
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: it was it was it was just you really felt
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: that you didn't have to fight laughing, There was no
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: It was just that was you really possessed that character
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: and you really hate because you really committed to that.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a good piece of acting because you
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: really I really believe that you disliked her. Well I didn't,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean she didn't do you know what.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: She's not making me the supermunts of ball super give
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: me a pillow or to lay my head on. I mean,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: what kind of services she I really just wanted to
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: get get Jackson alone to be able rude wanted to
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: get him alone, to be able to get his secrets
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: about carrots, you know, really about a lot of other vegetables. Uh.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And and I think Brad Jackson has known back home
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: as a you know, he has a sub special growing process.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: And now that he's in the big town, I want
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: to be able to come and and take over. There
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: was My family had told me that now's your chance,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the big time, the big time in the big town
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: and stars. Yes, go see your cousins, the Backlub, the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: back club. Yeah, got you, the big the big town
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: is starting. Okay, back lub that circle, sure, sure, sure, no,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I know, I love that. Yeah, I know. That was
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: my home for seven years. Yeah, um see you coming
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: in one day. And I didn't say that. I just
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: opened the door to the donut shop and I looked over.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: You know my mom worked on the show too, right,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Linda Porter? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know, I know.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Was we never worked together? Bear, I think we we
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: never really did any seems together. And that's strange. Why
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: did David right before she passed we did this, uh
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: wild not wild Heart? But what is it? David Lynch
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: is a twin peaks? The people go together. My mom
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: was brilliant, passed away. She passed away. It's a try.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. She's up there on Mount Heron, up there
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: with the She's with all the you know, important Jewish
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: people up there. What is it Mount SINAI. There you
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: go up there next to Disney, across from Disney, they're waving.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: You're still sending my checks. They have like eyes on
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: their money over there. Well, I mean you laugh, but
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I mean they're picturing that. You know, I needed to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: come and have lunch with me before I passed away
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: up at the Mount SINAI. We have to have a
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: lunch of that. Why why are we gonna have lunch?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: So I already pictured that. She already pictured it. That
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: we haven't lunched. U. She was mad that I didn't
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: want to go. I was scared of it. Why before
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: she passed away? I love every good about any of
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: us comes from totally agree. Yeah, it is true, very
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: very true. Um yeah, I lost my mom and oh
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: eight and the last I spent the last week of
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: her life with her, slept in the room with her.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Um it was quite something. It was the most magical
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: seven days of my life. UM. I mean the love
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that was coming out of her, and I mean it
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: was just amazing the way she just hung in there
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: for her kids, you know, wanting to just soak up
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: everything that was, you know, the last bits of love
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: and joy that was she was going to experience. Um
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: so I was, Yeah, I feel for you, buddy, sorry
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: for your loss. Man likewise, yeah, um so you basically
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: your character roun. You pretty much roasted Laura in the
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: entire episode. What you what I mean? I think we're
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: already know how you, um I feel about her. You've
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: stated this, um but here's some of your greatest lines.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: She's like a basketball player. Ok uh. What was the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: bearded lady busy tonight or something? And then you stood
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: up and said, Okay, I'm getting really bored. First I
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: get stuck with her, and let me ask you this.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. We did did Brenda? Did
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Brenda Mayban in the wardrobe department tell you to wear
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: your hat the entire time? Your hat and coat the
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: entire time? Because it kind of was I'm a bald Jew.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: What do you want for me? I want an answer.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I want an answer. I want an answer. If if
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Brenda told you to wear the hat to the whole time,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: was that your I wish I could give you the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: true answer for that, the real answer aside from what
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I just said. But but I mean, it's completely appropriate
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: because you were not settling in by the way you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: have a very attractive head. You do, yeah, Billy. So
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: let's see. Uh all right, we're gonna do a little
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: section now called rapid Fire. You ready, I'm gonna throw
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: some questions at you? All right? How do you take
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: your coffee? Creamy sugar? Can you smell snow? No? Best
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: memory of Gilmore Girls I love when I couldn't hack.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I was struggling with Ted's death and I didn't want to.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I wanted so much to do good and but I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and they were so professional and so kind, these girls
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: who lead, who ran the show, and they had they go,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: you know what, we're chicks, we get you done. We'll
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: handle it, don't sweat it. And they were so graceful
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: about letting me down off of my you know, where
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I had built my stress up to and I was struggling,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: and it was so kind and so graceful that I
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: just was felt well handled and just less to have
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: been able to work amongst you know you guys. That's
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: my favorite moment because I could say all kinds of wishy, washy,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: you know, made up stuff, but it wouldn't be meaningful
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: to you and would be true. The cast member that
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: you've texted most recently from Guilt from Gilmore from Gilmore
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: And if you haven't, that's okay, No I haven't. I
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: was gonna say it's his actor, Alissandro Devot de Vola. Oh, sure,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: he's terrific. So I've got you here, And as long
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: as I have you here, I want to ask you
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: one non Gilmore related question. I think Johnny Depp is.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's considered an underrated actor. I
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: think he's getting his accolades as as a craftsman, as
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: an actor. But what was it like working with him
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: on Blow? Because those those those scenes were electric, they
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: really were. We started off together. I don't know if
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you know this, but Ted had me bring him the
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: script because he couldn't get at him through the channels,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: and so I went up to his house and uh,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: and it was incredibly inappropriate thing for me to do.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I put it off for months. For a couple of months.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: We weren't going to get the budget. If we could
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: get him through Bob, Bob Shay and Bob what's his name?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: You know, the Italians, the guy that got bounced, you know,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the guy what was his name? Mike de Luca? Yeah,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: you got it. They were all. They were all and
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you know, uh Kerry, Uh Jerry, Uh Cherry. What the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: heck was this guy's name. I'm sorry this is so
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: long though, But in any case, I know you're talking
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: about is another independent financer, producer Carry. His name is
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: carry Um carry Woods. So carry Woods was in on
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Beautiful Girls this picture we did so in any case,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the wine scenes did that one, so we they there
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: was a lot of pressure. I would just I grew up.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I became really good friends with an actor to Matt Dylan,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: and Matt was the best man at my wedding. God
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: bless him. He's been a good friend. We both collect
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: seventy eight in Latin. We're both you know, really into jazz.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: And so I went up to Johnny with the script
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and uh, I'm like, hey man, you know I told
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Ted for months, I can't do this. Is like, you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I started off my career with Johnny. We did an
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: a five short film together in eighty five which nobody
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: knows about, and it was how you got your tape
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: on yourself when you want to get in industry and
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you didn't have an agent. They had an agent. They
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: were with her Tobias and associates. It was like everybody
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and their mother was at disguise place. And he was
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: a throwback, this old agent, this old man. He was like, God,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you have been like seventies up. Man. He brought me
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: in this office. He goes, hey, what do you want
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: a scotch kid? I said, I'm fifteen, sir. He goes,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: all right, well, welcome to the shop. You know this
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: old man, he was great, old man. Heart Tooby. It
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: was Johnny Depp, Jason get Trick, little known name from
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: back in. It was Johnny Geen, Amelia Stufs, Sean Pat,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Chris penn Uh, Johnny Sherrilyn Fan. So that's how we met.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: We went to an audition at this woman's house. It
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: was Johnny Sherlyn and myself and we got into it.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Johnny and I got into like a physical improv same
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: by accident with these characters, and we fell and Johnny
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: had this arrowhead medallion and it went and hit him
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: in his eyes. So all through the film he's got
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a black eye in the shape of an arrowhead under
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: his eye. When we when we were ut, we wrestled,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: but we have this VHS tape and I'm sure he
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: probably liked either had it all like take it. I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: don't know how you could get that like from a
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: F five, but I haven't seen it since then, but
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: it was like it was really like the night before
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: the night before we filmed. On the first day at
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: my house, I was supposed to tell my dad that
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: we were gonna film there in my room and they
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: were having copy and I go the crews here and
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: they had their kids are bringing out of these lines.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Why are like long long power chords and stuff for lights?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: And my dad just left without saying. He was so bissed,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and he called me. He's like when we come back now, like, yeah,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm really sorry. He's like, wow, you really
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: pissed me off, Max. And I'm like, okay, well you
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: wanted me to do so you said I had to
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: drop out. I had to do something, trying to do something.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: He said, you're not gonna get it done this way.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna be a professional unless you study under
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: masters from years old. And I said, I never said
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be an actor. I said I I
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: want to try to do something, you know, and you
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: know you're struggling with your dad. And I've never been
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: really beaten by my father. Maybe I should have been
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: that was you know probably no, no, no, you didn't
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: miss out on anything, trust me. And I was like,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I worked at a punk rock club. I would speak
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: out at fourteen years old and I worked at this
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: punk rock club in Hollywood. I was watching, like inadvertently
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: that the whole music scene, like the genre being created
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: with punk and rock and roll, rockabilly and country western
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: and all this stuff. And it was all these great
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: passionate musicians, but it was this tight knit scene people
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: that just wanted to go jam. Hour after I sold,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: like eight in the morning, you wound up and they
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: were iconic uh road road road signs on this you
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: know highway of uh you know, of of mystery and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: desire that I grew up in the eighties and you
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: know Hollywood, you know, being a fly on the wall.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: And I was too young to be at these over
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: twenty one clubs and you just couldn't get rid of
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: because the cops didn't mind me, so I could get
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: arrested in I worked at over twenty one club. I
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: was a DJ and all the nightclubs in l A
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and so I got it
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: so you gave You gave the script to Johnny. Yeah,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: how you give and he and he read the script
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: and he liked it, and he saw the twenty million
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: dollar offer attached to it, and Jed said, tell him,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: there's twenty million dollars attached to this and give up
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the script. And you're the first. You know your cast
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Max already, but just do this for us. And I
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: really felt uncomfortable doing it. And yeah, but you gotta
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: do you gotta bring people together. Uh, you don't know
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: that you're supposed to do stuff like that. That's a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: really tough thing, taking twenty million dollars to your friend. Yeah,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: well you never asked for anything. You don't what you
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: gonna do it? Awkward situation. I think you were asking
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: for anything. I think you were giving him something, you
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? No, but I hear you. It's
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: it's a tough favor to ask. But I don't know.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: You know, he was a guy for the for he
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: made it happen, and so everybody, you know, did their part.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: It was a good film. It was a fun film
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: to watch. It was a really good editing of the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: film with Ted and we were buddies. Tight You know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I'd like, I think you really you know, we you
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: know he you know he. Uh. It was just such
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: a givving and a guy like that just said to you, hey, guys,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: you want to be a part of this, come on,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: let's go. Hey, come on, you guys want to do
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: to have fun. I like you guys to you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: you know your energy that you bring and you would
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: say things like that that were true you know about
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: you know, the people that he was bringing together. But anyway,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry Ted, Ted. Uh definitely was a sweetheart. Yeah,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: well you're a sweetheart to You're a sweet guy, Max,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: And uh, thank you for spending time with us. Thank
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: you for sharing these stories. Uh and we would love
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: to have you back on at some point and uh
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: any time. This was this was a very uh a
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: very interesting uh journey back in time. And uh, I
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: hope it didn't tax you emotionally too much. But I
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: think I think everybody can see and hear that Max
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Perlock is the real deal. This is what an actor is.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: A committed UM actor who feels everything that he does
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: or he can't do it, and that's the soul of
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: what we do UM. And some people are just a
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: little more committed to their craft than others. And it's
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: pretty clear that you're one of those uh, very very
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: committed artists who um, you know, creates from the very
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: uh depths of his soul. And we appreciate it because
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: you gave a very very memorable performance and I had
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun with and guess what, the audience
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: had a tremendous amount of time, tremendous time uh watching
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: your work, man, So thank you for that. Okay. I
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: enjoy what I saw when I watched it. It made me,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: you know, very warm inside. And when I saw what
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: the work that you know, in all of the episodes
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: that you guys put together, and I just enjoy watching
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the Truth of Gilmore Girls. So bravo, thank you, buddy. Hey, alright,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: much love to you man, giving you a big hug. Okay, alight. Wow. Wow,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: that's an actor for you right there. That's an actor
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: living it. You know, people, people don't understand sometimes what
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: it takes to do this job. I'm Riley, and this
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: is your pop culture. First, we have Rory Yoga oh
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: no really, Lane, a very misunderstood artist and the Beatles
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: would have broken up anyway. Yoko Ono was married to
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the Beatles John Lennon. Together they had a son named
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Sean Lennon and Yoko Ono means one child in Japanese.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: She had a guest appearance on the TV show Matt
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: About You called Yoko Said, and the Bear Naked Ladies
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: wrote a song called be My Yoko Ono. Yeah. You know.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: The Beatles were uh at odds at that time, but
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: John and Paul basically hated each other um and they
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: didn't want to be in the same room. And George,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: George was trying to get out of the band. He
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: was sick of all the arguing, and he was sick
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: of getting his great songs rejected. His great songs were
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: not getting on the albums. It probably wasn't yoos. It
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: probably wasn't Yoko's fault, because George wanted out a couple
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: of times, and I think he even delivered uh to
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: who was it at their manager, like I'm leaving the band.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I can't stand this. I'm gonna go make my own
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: album because I like they Paul rejected um while my
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: guitar gently weeps. If you can believe that, I do
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: think there's a chance, though, you'll go. And John could
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: have been having dinner and he's like, should I stay?
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: And she's like, nah, go. That could have happened, but
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: it's I just think those guys were together for so long,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: since the time they were sixteen years old. They went
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: to Germany together and they were in Hamburg and they
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: were eight seventeen, eighteen and nineteen. I think John might
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: have been twenty at that time. John was the oldest,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: but I mean George was seventeen, I think maybe eighteen,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: but seventeen years old, and he wanted out. He wanted out,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: he wanted out. So I don't think Yoko had a
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: lot to do with it. Rory says, okay, I must
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: listen to anyone named Claudine La j Claudine is a singer, actress, dancer,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: and recording artists popular during the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: She was married two times. She actually shot and killed
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend and Olympic skier and only spent thirty days
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: in jail for it. And one of our marriages was
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: to Andy Williams, who discovered the Osmond's yea Spider Savage
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: the skier. He was a very popular guy in Aspen.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: He was an entrepreneur, after his skiing career. He was
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: he was I think he was an Olympic skier and
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: then a pro. They used to have a pro ski
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: racing circuit that they would televise on NBC ABC every weekend.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: It was like the um Wide World of Sports that
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: always had the pros racing in tandem. They'd have the
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: dual courses right side by side, and Spider Savage was
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: one of the leading money winners. Laura La to Luke,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: that's very Richard Simmons, of you a great one. Richard
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Simmons is famous for his red and white shorts. He
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: found an anonymous note attached to his car about his weight,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: and this ultimately led to his body transformation. His most
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: famous workout tapes were Sweating to the Oldies and Sweat
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: and Shout and Richard Simmons is still alive, but no
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: one knows where he is. He disappeared. The topic became
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: a codtast called seeing Richard Simmons. I bet you you
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: know what, I bet you he's a Gilmore fan and
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: let's get him on the show. That is an excellent podcast,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: by the way, that's that's a good good Which one
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: having him on this show or his own Missing Richard Simmons,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: and nobody can find him. But after you give us
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: five stars, pop on over to Missing Richard Simmons and
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: take a listen. Laura, look, I know that Mrs Kim
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: and Robert Duval in The Great Santina share striking resemblance,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: but she is Lane's mom, a nineteen seventy nine American
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: drama film based on Pat Conroy's novel The Great Santini.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: The Great Santina's original name was Wilburt Bull Meetchum and
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Robert Duval was an American actor that has been nominated
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: for seven Academy Awards and seven Golden Globe Awards. Robert's
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: three biggest movies were Apocalypse Now, The Godfather, and The
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Tom Cruise Classic Days of Summer Wrong. His biggest movie
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: was To Kill a Mockingbird launched him. He's still alive
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: and in is ninety years old. Laura Lee says, you're nervous.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: You don't have some guy staring at you like he
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: shared and you're the kid from mask so Um Share
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: plays Rusty Davis, the mom of Rocky. Eric Saltz plays
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Rocky Dennis, and actor Eric Saltz wore so much makeup
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: for the movie, so he had to present idea security
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: at a post production party to prove who he was.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Eric Stoltz was the original. Uh, he was casting back
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: to the future and they fired him and they hired
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Michael Jacks. Yes, and if you go on YouTube you
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: can even see some of his scenes. Really yeah, Lane
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: says Beethoven, the one with the dog. So Beethoven, American
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: family comedy about a st Bernard. The dog playing Beethoven
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: had twelve doubles and one of them was actually named Beethoven.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: The film stars Oliver Platt, Bonnie Hunt, Charles Crowdon, and
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Patricia Heaton all start in the movie. Joseph Gordon Levitt
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: made his first ever film appearance as student number one,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: and in addition to the trained dogs on set, a
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: mechanical dog was used to achieve facial expressions and reactions
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: with Scott. Did you were you ever like in your
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: early days? Like bus Boy number two, waiter number three,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: like Joseph Gordon Levit But in big films, No, No,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I was never an extra. I never did extra work.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: What did you get your sag card for? I think
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I got it for a movie. The first thing I
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: did out here was with Tracy Lord's then, no, it wasn't.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: It was a detective. I was a detective. I played
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: her husband. She was a detective. We were detectives. It
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: was during the I was out on vacation. I got
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: this part, was living in New York, and so I
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: had to stay out here. And it was during the
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of We were shooting
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: right in the middle of those Rodney King riots in
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: the whole city in the nineties. Yeah, yeah, nine, indeed two, yeah,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: it was. It was yeah, early nineties. Yeah. And they
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: had to put us in the back seat of cars,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: down on the floorboards, covered in blankets to get us
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: out of that because we were shooting downtown. We were
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: shooting downtown the Oscar a former Oscar Meyer. We in
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: a warehouse and we're doing all this gunfire and chasing
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: each other around building, shooting gun So they had to
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: get us out of there. Like two Riley, were you
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: born in called intent to kill? It was with Yaffa Kodo,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Yaffa Kodo Angelo tiff Me, Tracy Lord's uh, and then
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: actually Tracy Lords did there It is second billing, yes, yes,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: And then Tracy Lords we'll put on the Instagram, but
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: we're all looking at she did. I didn't make it
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: on the poster though, say, um, that was just Tracy
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Lord's legs it right, am? I No, I don't think
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: that's me? Is that me? Maybe I'm there a thing
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: on fire in the background that you can't see. I
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: don't know. But she was on an episode of Gilmore Girls.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Are you actually she actually did an episode of Gilmore Girls.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I think it was like season four. We are absolutely
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: having her one. Yeah, I was. That was I was
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: having a good time on that. I was having a
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: real I had so I had all my friends visiting
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: me every night because we were doing night shoots on
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Hollywood Boulevard car crashes and stuff, and uh so I
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: was basically having a party. I just big trailer and
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: and I was having a party in there every single night.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: It was so much. Your job is to try to
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: find this movie so we can all watch it, and
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: then next weekend while I watch saw what Saw Were
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: You in? I was? I think I was at four
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: and five. I was so horrendously bad and intent to
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: kill it's kind of embarrassing. I was so bad and
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: movie it was the better for us to watch. Oh
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: you'll laugh, You're you'll laugh. We have one more in
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: speaking of movies, So this is Attack of the fifty
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: ft Woman. Attack of the fifty ft Woman is a
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: science fiction horror. The film was shot in eight days
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and was under budget. The film's poster was ranked number
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: eight on the Best Movie Posters Ever by Premier magazine,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: and the original title for the film was the Astounding
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: giant woman. You know that could be could have been
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Laurel I in Run's eyes, you know, commenting on her
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: size constantly. What size is your shoe? How tall are you?
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: East referred to her as an East German basketball player
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: had the same size shoe as Laurel I, size nine.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: She said it, yeah, and Ruin was like, whoa. It
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: made me feel all sorts of things. Oh, I'm fightful, right,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: just got a big foot, so Lawrence probably I don't know,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: she's five eight five nine, yeah, Lawrence tall you Attack
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: of the five nine Woman, Attack of the five that
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe that was the original title for Gilmore Girls, The
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Attack of the five nine Woman and her daughter. All right, everybody,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: let's do uh, let's do favorite lines. Let's Riley start
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: us off. What's your favorite line in this episode, So
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: this has to be probably my favorite line of season one,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: and is you know, maybe sometime we could. No, no, no,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: I have a great line from this episode. I have
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: a great line. It is you know, maybe some time
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: we could mine's better than all of yours. Hold on
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: one second, you know, maybe sometime we could. My favorite
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: line is, um, you know, maybe sometime we could the
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: jingling door. Maybe sometime we could. I could ring your
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: bell maybe sometimes momentous. That's funny, good stuff, good stuff.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: All right, So we're gonna add a little uh section here,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: a wonderful idea from a fan, uh that we're going
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: to adopt. It's called required reading and today recommendation, or
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: not really a recommendation, it's pretty much a command for
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: everybody to read the following the unabridged Journals of Sylvia Plath.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Rory was reading this book on the bench in front
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: of her old high school. And just a little more background.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: She was married to Ted Hughes, who was quite a
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: gifted writer poet. He wrote series book of poems called Crow.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: So read Ted Hughes as well. And that's my personal recommendation.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Classic episode, Classic episode, And uh, don't forget the next
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: episode number thirteen. Episode thirteen is concert interrupt Us, so
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I want everybody to watch it, so we're all up
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: to speed. Don't forget, everybody. I'm going to be at
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: the Mohegan Sun uh this coming weekend. Uh and what
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: is it? Uncasville, Unksville, Connecticut at the Mohegan Sun Casino.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Come on by. I want to say hello to everybody. UM,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: take some photos, share some stories, and I believe we're
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: doing a We are going to be doing a podcast
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: from the venue Sunday one o'clock with special guest Shawn
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Gun and maybe some other surprise guests as well. We're
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of fun, do some Q and A.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: So come on by to that panel uh slash podcast
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Sunday at Mohegan Sun and let's have some fun. Guys.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: All right, that's it, Thanks for thanks for tuning in,
• 59:02
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