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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 10-2-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Happy Friday, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700, 92.1 FM.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Glad to be with you.
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  Speaker 2: Once again here as we march towards a weekend full
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  Speaker 2: of sports.
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  Speaker 1: No Utah football, which is a bummer.
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  Speaker 2: The bye week will be used to watch the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the Big 12 Conference, some baseball playoffs maybe, NFL football,
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  Speaker 2: of course, a full slate this weekend, and some pretty
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: interesting games around the world of college football. Just none
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  Speaker 2: of them involve your Utes. We will talk about all
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  Speaker 2: those things today. Bill Riley is going to join us
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  Speaker 2: on the show as the voice of the Utes. I
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  Speaker 2: think I know what he's doing with his Saturday off.
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: You got a clue on it? to that. I think yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: I think bill might be a crossing over into my
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  Speaker 2: world of MMA a little bit this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: .
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  Speaker 1: .
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  Speaker 2: I don't think this
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  Speaker 2: one has sold as well as the other events that
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  Speaker 2: they brought to the Delta center, but that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: Is it?
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  Speaker 1: Cause I mean, you've talked about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's because it's a super bad underwhelming main event.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, the, look, the main card is so.
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  Speaker 2: Two fights before the main event, Bobby green, who now
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  Speaker 2: goes by King green is taking on a tough Argentine name,
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  Speaker 2: Esteban Arriba, which, and Bobby green. is he's graduated into
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  Speaker 2: the level of being a fighter. And this is kind
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  Speaker 2: of a thing that almost is you almost as unique
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  Speaker 2: to combat sports. King green has graduated to a place
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  Speaker 2: where he's just interesting enough that even if he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: win a ton, they're going to keep him around and
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  Speaker 2: he does win.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You have to get to a certain level of popularity
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  Speaker 2: and Tom foolery and excited, exciting fight style to where like,
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  Speaker 2: they just like you so much that you're probably never
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  Speaker 2: going to be fighting for a title. They're not even
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  Speaker 2: really matchmaking to push you towards a title. They're just like,
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  Speaker 2: this guy always shows up and puts on a show.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know what the equivalent of that is
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  Speaker 2: in other sports. I mean, I guess that it's like
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  Speaker 2: the special teamer who's a really good teammate. it's the,
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  Speaker 2: not the sixth man off the bench in, in the NBA.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the eighth man off the bench in the NBA.
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  Speaker 2: Who's like a really good locker room presence. Who's just
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  Speaker 2: a positive thing to have around the organization. Just a
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  Speaker 2: consummate fan favorite.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like someone and that are what their production is. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: cheers for him. Everyone. There's only a few guys that
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  Speaker 2: have achieved that status in the UFC, the spicy tuna
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  Speaker 2: of the UFC. That's a great comparison, right? Like spicy tuna.
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  Speaker 2: His teammates love him. His coaches love him. He is
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  Speaker 2: far from the best skater stick handler. His, his, his
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  Speaker 2: technical knowledge of the game probably.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't where everyone else has been. He's certainly not a
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  Speaker 1: goal scorer. He'll fight, right? He'll do the things he'll
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  Speaker 1: do the dirty work kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: We got a guy, Bobby green on the card.
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  Speaker 1: Who's who's that?
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So he's like the, and eight, seven, seven, three, five, three,
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  Speaker 2: zero 700. Tell me who that is in your favorite
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  Speaker 2: sport and your favorite team. It's like, you know, he's
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  Speaker 2: not like a wins above replacement kind of guy. You
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  Speaker 2: know that he's not actually adding a significant amount of
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  Speaker 2: production to your offense, or he's not getting you a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of stats on defense, or he's not a guy
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  Speaker 2: in the NBA. That's going to give you like, 30.
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  Speaker 1: Points a game ever.
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  Speaker 2: He's probably not even going to give you 15 points
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  Speaker 2: a game ever, but he's just a guy where you're like,
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  Speaker 2: I want him on my team.
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  Speaker 1: I want that guy on the roster.
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  Speaker 2: I always like when they interviewed that individual, he has done,
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  Speaker 2: and it's such a difficult thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: There's been a couple of them in the UFC.
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  Speaker 2: There's been a few, And Bobby green also, uh, he
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  Speaker 2: spent some time training with us out here in Utah.
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  Speaker 2: So a little extra affection. If you're looking for someone,
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  Speaker 2: a horse in the race, someone to get behind King
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  Speaker 2: green is one of those guys that you spent some
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  Speaker 2: time out here. Court is going to be done at
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  Speaker 2: 6 30 PM and the whole show is going to
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  Speaker 2: go on. And Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's anybody, if.
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  Speaker 3: You're listening and you won UFC tickets at the mammoth
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  Speaker 3: game last night, I mean, those come with strings attached.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta be there for courts fight. You have to
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  Speaker 1: be there for courts fight.
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  Speaker 2: Also, you can go to, you can go to Dave
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  Speaker 2: and busters at the gateway for the, before the drawing tonight,
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  Speaker 2: that that drawing is going to happen tonight. And they're
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  Speaker 2: going to give away some tickets at Dave and busters.
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  Speaker 2: You can go enter your name into the drawing. No
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  Speaker 2: purchase is necessary, but why not stop by Dave and
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  Speaker 2: busters at the gateway, play a couple of games on
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  Speaker 2: your lunch break, sign up for the raffle. They're going
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  Speaker 2: to give away UFC three 32 tickets. And maybe you'll
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  Speaker 2: see bill Riley there. Maybe he's going to join us
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  Speaker 2: on the show today. Elise Sterling is going to join
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  Speaker 2: us on the show today. The number one handicapper in
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  Speaker 2: the business to talk about the picks for the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: where you talk, is not playing Paul Pugmire in the
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  Speaker 2: one o'clock hour to talk about what's going on at
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  Speaker 2: the black desert championship. And we'll, we'll talk about a
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  Speaker 2: big weekend in sports. The biggest story, the headline for
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  Speaker 2: me starting the show today, Utah mammoth hockey back last
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  Speaker 2: night and back with a vengeance back with emphatic statement win.
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  Speaker 2: And I know that there are a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: who are going to do the same thing with the
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  Speaker 2: mammoth right now in this early win that they did
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  Speaker 2: with with Utah's early success with the first four games
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  Speaker 2: of the season. The Chicago Blackhawks are far from the
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  Speaker 2: toughest competition that the Utah Mammoth are going to face
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  Speaker 2: this season. They're an exciting young roster. They're the next
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  Speaker 2: San Jose Sharks, maybe.
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  Speaker 4: They are.
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  Speaker 2: fourth lowest, fourth longest odds to win the Stanley Cup
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  Speaker 2: this year. So that should be an indication for you
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  Speaker 2: of what the world thinks, of what the hockey world
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  Speaker 2: thinks of the Chicago Blackhawks. But the Mammoth took them
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  Speaker 2: behind the proverbial woodshed. This was not close. This was
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  Speaker 2: not friendly. This was not cute. This was not anything
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  Speaker 2: but a good old fashioned booty whooping by the Utah
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  Speaker 2: mammoth who are now want to know after one game,
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  Speaker 2: Dylan Gunther with a couple of goals, Clayton Keller with
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  Speaker 2: a couple of assists, McKenzie Weger with a fight. Dimitri
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  Speaker 2: Simashev looked good. Daniil boot scored a goal and looked good.
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  Speaker 2: Clayton Keller had this gorgeous. He he's in the penalty box.
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  Speaker 2: And he comes out of the penalty box and immediately,
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  Speaker 2: immediately gets the, receives the puck on a pass, tosses
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  Speaker 2: it into the front of the net goal. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he was back out of the penalty box on the
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  Speaker 2: ice for three seconds, five seconds and immediately back to
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  Speaker 2: producing and creating chances for his team. And that one
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  Speaker 2: happened to lead to a goal. So Big win, 6-0
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  Speaker 2: over the Chicago Blackhawks. And already, already the Utah Mammoth
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  Speaker 2: have a shutout on the books. This is not like
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  Speaker 2: a staple for the Utah Mammoth team. In fact, last
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  Speaker 2: year in the regular season, there were only three. One
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  Speaker 2: was a 7-0 victory against Anaheim. That was veggie and goal.
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  Speaker 2: They blanked the Las Vegas Knights in the regular season.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was 4-0. And they had one on
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  Speaker 2: the road, if I'm not mistaken, in Philadelphia, but that
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  Speaker 2: was Vitek Vanacek in one of his better performances of
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  Speaker 2: the season. So 6-0, new look, Delta Center, glistening new
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  Speaker 2: car smell type of arena once again. And so far,
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  Speaker 2: so good. So respect to the Chicago Blackhawks, but also
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  Speaker 2: you're not on the same level, and you're going to
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  Speaker 2: have to go home and lick some wounds, and good
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  Speaker 2: luck to you.
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  Speaker 1: Now the Mammoth obviously head out on a big road trip.
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  Speaker 2: Five in a row on the road moving forward, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll learn more as the season progresses. At Columbus, at
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  Speaker 2: New York, at New Jersey, at Boston, at Buffalo. before
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  Speaker 2: returning against the Toronto Maple Leafs in mid October, then
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  Speaker 2: back-to-back games against the Edmonton Oilers. One of those is
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  Speaker 2: in Canada. The other one is back here. And then
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  Speaker 2: you welcome the Pittsburgh penguins. So kind of a funky
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  Speaker 2: schedule early where one at home five on the road,
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  Speaker 2: one back at home, then one on the road, then
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  Speaker 2: two back at home, then one on the road, then
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  Speaker 2: two back at home. And then another big road trip.
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  Speaker 2: Now that this sets up nicely when you're really kind
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  Speaker 2: of rounding into things and you get to mid November,
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  Speaker 2: because in mid November, you've got St. Louis, San Jose, Vancouver, Colorado,
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  Speaker 2: and Anaheim all at home before you go back out
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  Speaker 2: on the road. And we'll be watching closely as this
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  Speaker 2: season progresses. The hope is, right, that you're playing the
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  Speaker 2: right kind of hockey, that you're playing in the rhythm
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  Speaker 2: and with the intensity that looks like a playoff, not
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  Speaker 2: only a playoff making team, but a playoff series winning
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  Speaker 2: team when you're getting into February and March. But If
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  Speaker 2: the early indications, if the one game out of 82
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  Speaker 2: sample is anything to judge off of, this is going
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  Speaker 2: to at least be a fun year to watch Utah
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  Speaker 2: Mammoth hockey because they came out ready and absolutely demolished
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  Speaker 2: the Chicago Blackhawks last night. I mean, every statistical category,
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  Speaker 2: the face-offs, they won 75% of their face-offs last night.
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  Speaker 2: The shots on goal, it was not even remotely close.
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  Speaker 2: The time of puck possession, the hits, everything was just
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  Speaker 2: coming up Utah Mammoth. And you don't get it as
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  Speaker 2: cut and dry, as clear all the time when we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about hockey, right? Like even when you're a really
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  Speaker 2: good team playing against a bad team, sometimes there's some
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  Speaker 2: closer margins. But it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was just one way traffic last night.
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  Speaker 2: And it leads me to the conclusion that this is
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  Speaker 2: a Stanley cup winning team in the 2026, 2027 season.
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  Speaker 1: There's no other.
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  Speaker 2: Conclusion that can be drawn from such a dominant performance.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously this means that your Utah mammoth are going to
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  Speaker 2: hoist Lord Stanley's cup. Once we get to next June
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  Speaker 2: and we're all going to feel really good about it.
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  Speaker 2: Metallica will be coming to the rice echo stadium and
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  Speaker 2: you'll be celebrating the a Stanley Cup championship for your
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  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth.
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  Speaker 1: Can we all agree on it? Good.
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  Speaker 5: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 2: If you were at the game last night, if you
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  Speaker 2: watched the game last night, tell me what your favorite
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  Speaker 2: thing about the Mammoth debut was. Tell me the thing
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  Speaker 2: that's got you most fired up for this coming Mammoth season.
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  Speaker 1: Lots to get into today. Some controversy of Bruin in the.
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  Speaker 1: WNBA and the WNBA slate.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to take a look today at as the
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: regular season, baseball regular season wraps up and we now
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  Speaker 2: have a full season sample size of what the electronic umpires,
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  Speaker 2: the assisted umpire replays, the challenge system. Now we have
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  Speaker 2: kind of a full slate, a full schedule of what
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  Speaker 2: those challenges and overturned or upheld pitches looks like. We'll
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  Speaker 2: look at some of those numbers on the show today.
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  Speaker 2: Another look at what technology is doing for or against
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  Speaker 2: the development of hopefully a sport that you still watch
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  Speaker 2: and pay attention to. I don't know how many people
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  Speaker 2: still do. The Cleveland Browns, who we have some rooting
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  Speaker 2: interest in, at least because of the presence of young
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  Speaker 2: Spencer Fano on that roster.
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  Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns are three and one.
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  Speaker 2: And Deshaun Watson, 24, 33, 268 yards, one touchdown, one interception,
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  Speaker 2: and led another game-winning drive. That's three on the season
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  Speaker 2: for a guy that a lot of people had written off,
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  Speaker 2: that fans in Cleveland had written off. And obviously... people
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  Speaker 2: around the NFL and people around the sports world had
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  Speaker 2: kind of turned their back on Deshaun Watson and count
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  Speaker 2: me among them. I don't know if Deshaun Watson wins
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  Speaker 2: league MVP this year in a super bowl. I still
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  Speaker 2: don't know if I'm ever going to count myself as
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  Speaker 2: the supporter and the fan that I was when he
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  Speaker 2: was coming out of college football. And we didn't know
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  Speaker 2: about some of his accusations and his alleged proclivities, which
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  Speaker 2: for me are incredibly problematic and things it's, They exist
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  Speaker 2: in a category that I have a very, very difficult
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  Speaker 2: time ignoring or getting over or just being okay with
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  Speaker 2: or shrugging my shoulders at and being like, ah, that
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff happens.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, we don't know what it's like to be raised.
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  Speaker 2: Like he was raised and nobody says no to him
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  Speaker 2: after the time he's 14 years old and everybody decides
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  Speaker 2: that he's the best football player around. I was trying
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  Speaker 2: to figure out if I, if I could like formulate
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  Speaker 2: a poll question or something. And there's just, I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: find anything that would even remotely come off to be, uh,
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  Speaker 2: in good taste because you know, it's not, there's no
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  Speaker 2: nuance in tweets unless you make it so long that
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  Speaker 2: people aren't going to read it.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: We can have the discussion.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to have the discussion, 877-353-0700, or you
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  Speaker 2: can tweet at me if you'd rather do that, about,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: you know, what you're kind of, like, how, what are
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  Speaker 2: we willing to just turn the other cheek on when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to athlete controversy? And how much does their performance,
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  Speaker 2: their ability to win, influence you personally? I'm not talking
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  Speaker 2: about the general public. I'm talking about you personally, me personally.
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  Speaker 2: How much does it alter our willingness to root for
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  Speaker 2: support by a Jersey of somebody that we maybe have
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  Speaker 2: some questions about the kind of person they are. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we've had this conversation in different contexts over the years,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's time to do it again because
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about a young quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's not as young as he used to be
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL who, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: For all intents and purposes is Most people had stuck
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  Speaker 2: a fork into Sean Watson and said, we're done with you.
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  Speaker 2: Either you're done in the NFL, you're not good enough anymore,
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  Speaker 2: or we're done with you. And then suddenly he starts
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  Speaker 2: to win, he starts to produce, and the narrative may
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  Speaker 2: or may not change on him. I mean, the Cleveland
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Browns might still be the Cleveland Browns. The schedule, Jags, Buccaneers, Panthers,
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  Speaker 2: Steelers with... Those last three being wins. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: go on the road against the New York Jets.
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  Speaker 1: They're probably going to win that one.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we start to figure out some more when they're
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  Speaker 2: playing at home against the Ravens. I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 2: really good chance, based on the schedule, that this Browns
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  Speaker 2: team starts like 6-2, 7-2.
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  Speaker 5: It goes.
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  Speaker 2: At Jets, home against the Ravens, at Titans, at Steelers,
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  Speaker 2: at Saints. They showed us they're good enough to beat
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  Speaker 2: the Steelers. Different environment on the road, obviously. Different equation
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  Speaker 2: on the road. I mean, they don't play against anyone
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  Speaker 2: all that scary, with the exception of the Ravens, until mid-November,
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  Speaker 2: where they'll take on the Houston Texans. And by then,
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  Speaker 2: the Texans, who are abysmally bad right now, should at
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  Speaker 2: least have some things figured out defensively. And if you
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  Speaker 2: beat them, I mean, this, this Cleveland Browns team might
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  Speaker 2: actually be midway through the season, like seven and three,
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  Speaker 2: eight and two. What are we going to be talking
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  Speaker 2: about then? What are you going to say about Deshaun Watson?
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  Speaker 2: Then how much winning does it take for you personally? And,
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  Speaker 2: and then by extension for the, the Royal, we to
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  Speaker 2: kind of get over whatever happened with Deshaun Watson. and say,
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  Speaker 2: all right, he's just one of the best quarterbacks in
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  Speaker 2: the league, or he's one of the most improved quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: in the league, or, I mean, when does the asterisk
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  Speaker 2: come off? When does the caveat when you're discussing a
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  Speaker 2: player like that get dropped? I'm not a nice person
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to this kind of stuff, so I
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: don't think I ever forget it. I don't think I
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  Speaker 2: ever like put it out of my mind. I don't think,
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  Speaker 2: and I am probably more in the court of guilty
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  Speaker 2: until proven innocent when it comes to certain kinds of
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  Speaker 2: accusations and the prevalence of those accusations and the sourcing
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  Speaker 2: of those accusations, right? I'm kind of like, all right, that's,
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  Speaker 2: there's too much smoke for there to not be fire,
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  Speaker 2: regardless of whatever a legal system says. And Deshaun Watson,
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  Speaker 2: you're painted with that scarlet letter for me, probably for
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  Speaker 2: the rest of your career. We've, we've given different players
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: with different histories, different treatment on that.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I used to, I used to really like, I've always
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: been a Niners fan. I used to, I used to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: enjoy watching the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Baltimore Ravens. Cause
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, all right, these are AFC teams. So
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: until the Superbowl, they're not really like enemies of my
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: San Francisco 49ers. They're not really a team or teams
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  Speaker 2: that I have to worry about too much. And I,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I liked watching, I liked that style of play. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: liked the divisional kind of rivalries that existed there. And
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: look for a good portion of Ben Roethlisberger's career. I
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: was like, man, Ben Roethlisberger's awesome. And then the Ben
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Roethlisberger stuff came out, and I was just like, ah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: maybe Ben Roethlisberger is not awesome. Maybe I don't want
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: to root for Ben Roethlisberger. And I don't know Ben Roethlisberger.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know enough about his actual personal life, his.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: History, and.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: What you should believe and what you shouldn't, and what
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: kind of like, weight you put into whatever legal decisions
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: are made here. But when you're talking about someone who's
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: established a legacy of success and winning our reaction to
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: accusations or off the field stuff becomes colored in one
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: way or another. subconsciously or consciously oftentimes we're like, Oh,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you know what, what he would know. I've seen that
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: guy get, you know, doing the autographs for the kids
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: and I've seen him winning so many times and his
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: teammates all love him.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Can't be that bad.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: And conversely on.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: The flip side of that equation, when a guy's not
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: playing well and things are going bad, and then you
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: hear about bad things off the field, you're like more
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: apt to believe those things. Hopefully as you're listening, you
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: can understand why I've had a hard time like creating
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: a meaningful question or poll question or internet question for
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: this because it's, there's so many layers to the onion
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and every situation is so much different than the previous
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: situation or the next situation. So I guess what I'm
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: really talking about right now is with Deshaun Watson, can
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: he win enough to get people to stop thinking about
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: worrying about talking about all the things that had us
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: ready to write him off as a quarterback.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Four games ago? During this preseason.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: And like, as a person too, I, I honestly, sincerely
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: hope not because nothing's come of those of that class,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: class action lawsuit that was against him a few years ago.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Now I didn't even, I didn't even know if I've,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: heard of a resolution OC. I mean, I assume there
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: was some kind of settlement or it got dropped or whatever. Um,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: but regardless of that, I saw enough at that time.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: You had a couple of the victims speak publicly.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: There were more than two dozen women that had similar
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: or nearly identical stories about how they were treated when
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: they were giving Deshaun Watson a massages. And we're not
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: going to get into the details of that. There's a
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: family show, right? But this conduct, like this particular type
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: of allegation is, is one where I'm like, Oh yikes.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: You know, the, the Ray Rice type stuff, the domestic
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: violence stuff that it again, Antonio.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Brown had some stuff. As he started to lose his mind. Well,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: and he lost his mind.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: And like some guys, I mean, I've, I've said this
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: on the air before the Adrian Peterson stuff was the
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: stuff that was like, really, I mean, that's my, my
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: older brother. That was his favorite player. Okay. My older
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: brother is a Vikings fan. Adrian Peterson was his favorite player.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: He went to training camp. He got to interview Adrian Peterson.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Adrian Peterson was like really cool to him, signed a
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Jersey for him. And like, The sentiment was, wow, he's
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: actually a really good guy. They had a conversation about
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: my younger brother, who you've probably heard us talking about.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: My younger brother participates in the Special Olympics. He's special needs.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: He participates in the Special Olympics. And that was like
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: one of the charitable causes. That was kind of the
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: charitable cause that Adrian Peterson had. sort of made his own.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: He gave a lot of money.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: He got a lot of.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: His own time to the special Olympics. And so like
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: all in that context, it was, wow, I really liked
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: this guy. he gives to a cause of his time
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and his presence and his financial means that is meaningful
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to me, to us. And also he's like, cool. You
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: get the anecdotal story. Like, Oh, he takes time. Talk
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: to his fans. He's really friendly.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: He's whatever. And of course he's an absolute monster of
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a football player.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: He's dominant. He's incredible. He's got this reputation of being
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: a hard worker. And then like a couple of years
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: after all that, uh, feel good, at least in my
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: football circle, you get this horrific accusation of treating baby
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: mama terribly, but more importantly, in my case, treating the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: child in a, like, look, I was raised by old
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: school parents. I'm probably more old school now than most
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: parents are, but it, it was child abuse. It was,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: it was a bridge too far. And there was a
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: debate all over the internet of like, Oh, you You
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: people are soft. My parents hit me with a spoon.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: My parents whacked me with a switch. My parents had
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: the belt or whatever else. Well, even if you were
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: raised in that environment, and even if you turned out fine,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I'm throwing up air quotes. What he did was further
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: than that. And I was like, wow, I can't get
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: behind that guy anymore. And I know he's even more
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: conflicting for my older brother, who was like a real fan,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: like an actual fan.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Hey, And that, yeah, so you all, you have these
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: moments where we find out something dark about our favorite athletes,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: personal problems. I mean, uh, Carl Malone, anyone?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Hello.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: We'll just leave that there. Um, there's where you have
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: to kind of try to reconcile. Do I still root
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: for them as the athlete and acknowledge that? Yeah, they've
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: done some things that I don't like personally. And that's
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: what Browns fans are having to face with Deshaun Watson
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: with certain things.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I think we're aligned.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: There are certain things OC and what Deshaun Watson was
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: accused of by like, like you said, over two dozen,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: like 30 women. And we saw publicly some of these
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: women speak up. We could see like, we could see
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: how sincere they were about their story. Like that was
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: enough for me a few years ago to be like, no,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I'm never rooting for that guy, and I'm always going
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: to be mad at the Browns for after all that
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: came out.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: For giving him the contract they gave him. Insane contract.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And by the way, the rest of the NFL was
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: also mad at the Browns for that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: On multiple levels.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Because they cared more about the fact that it was
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: a fully guaranteed deal.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: But also, they were like, what are we doing here?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: This is the kind of stuff that we as owners
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: have been able to use to devalue player contracts. The
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: off-the-field controversies. And you guys are just ignoring everything. This
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: is another.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Good text from... from Derek.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Um, a lot of people can get over stuff if
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: they play for your team, would you lose your fandom
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: for the Niners? If Fred Ward or McCaffrey were caught
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: up in this kind of thing, it might be a
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: harder question to ask outside the fandom.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: That's a really, okay. So we we've dealt with this.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Okay. We have seen this with our Utes. You've seen mild, mild,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: mild alone. Anyone you've, you've seen mild versions of that
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: with the Utah jazz, uh, in more recent years. And
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: then like, It's the hardest thing to reconcile for the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: jazz fan base. The Karl Malone stuff is the most
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: difficult thing to reconcile. And I know this for a fact,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: even though we can't actually know it for a fact.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: If Karl Malone were playing in this day and age,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: in the social media day and age, and everybody had
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the voice that they have now, Carl Malone would be
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: viewed in very, very, very differently in contemporary basketball than
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: he was in the career that he actually played in.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: And you know what?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not here to tell you how to feel about it,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: even to tell James how to feel about it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just acknowledging that to get back to Derek's text.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: It's really interesting to me because if you, if Fred Warner,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: who is like the last guy that I think would
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: ever be involved in anything like this, if Fred Warner
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: were involved in something like this, it would make me
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: feel some type of way about Fred Warner. And I would,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: because I'm a huge Fred Warner fan. Like I would,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I would wear a Fred Warner Jersey. I'm getting rid
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: of that thing. If the Deshaun Watson stuff is attached
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: to Fred Warner or to Christian McCaffrey, if then the
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: San Francisco 49ers decide to ignore it, and decide to,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: we're still going to make Fred Warner the highest paid
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: linebacker in the league. For me personally, that becomes problematic
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: because I still care about this stuff. And there's a
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: lot of sports fans who don't. They're like, look, the
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: winning and the money and the morality are all separate
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: things now. I still come from a spot as a fan,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: even though I'm jaded because I work in sports media
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and I spent a brief time as a professional athlete myself.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: to know that like what really matters is who's pushing
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the money and who's helping you win. But if my
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: San Francisco 49ers or the Utah mammoth or the Utah
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: jazz or my Minnesota twins were just like, yeah, we don't,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: we don't get like Kirby pocket has a complicated legacy.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: When I was a little kid, I thought Kirby pocket
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: was the coolest thing going. This pudgy little, like that
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: guy who ran funny also was the best baseball player
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: in the league and helped my team win. win a championship.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I was like, Kirby pocket is the man. And then
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: you get a little bit older and you're just like, Oh,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: maybe he's not.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And that sucks.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: But in the case of Deshaun Watson and the modern
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: NFL and the modern NBA, the modern NHL and modern
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: major league baseball, where, you know, a lot more than
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: you did when you were a kid. And even if
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: you were an adult in those times, you know, more
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: now because of the ubiquity of information and the ability
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: for all of us to find out everything, does it
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: affect it for you?
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Does it affect like Spencer Fano?
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: No.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Wanting to plug Spencer Fano and the final family. They're
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: incredible people.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Does it affect the kind of friendship he can have
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: with his starting quarterback?
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: I imagine.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Now, Maybe the right thing to do is to forgive,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to forget.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: For me.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Just focus on doing your job like I get paid
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to protect this guy and that's it. Because you can't
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: adjudicate that. You don't get to adjudicate that as a player.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: But man, it's complicated. And Deshaun Watson is on the
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: precipice right now of... playing his way into a category
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: where I think the media is going to start ignoring
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: all of that.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Stuff and just talking about who he is as a player.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And that's going to be weird. If I'm being honest,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: we got to take a break to stay on clock.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I want to get to bill Riley. We'll talk about
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: the Utes. We'll stay focused on the Utes. Also we'll
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: get into the other big 12 games. What's got his
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: interest in the world of college football this weekend. We're
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: getting started on a Friday. It's the Sean O'Connell show
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: on ESPN 700. 92.1 FM.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Not every guest on the show has their own entrance music,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: but when you hear this one, you know who's coming on.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: It's the voice of the youth, Bill Riley, giving us
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: some more time here on a Friday that also happens
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: to be a bye week. So as much of an
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: off weekend as he's going to get in a football season.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Bill, welcome to the show.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: How are you?
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: Sean, I'm great. Thanks for the intro music.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Love it.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: All right, so bye week for the University of Utah.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: How does Morgan Scali and this crew win the bye week?
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: How did they, if the week is mostly done?
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: I would guess they just worked on things that needed
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: cleaning up. I mean, you're 4-0, you're in pretty good shape,
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: but nobody's perfect right now. So I would guess they
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: probably worked on some things, probably cleaning up a few
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: things defensively, probably maybe trying to work on getting a
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: little bit more pressure with those edge defenders, maybe working
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: on some run fits a little bit more because I
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: think as the season goes along, they're going to face
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: more and more talented teams. What they faced in the
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: first four games was, you know, there were a couple
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: of solid teams in there. Nobody's spectacular. And come late
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: October and throughout the month of November, it's going to
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: get tougher. I'd say probably on the offensive side, maybe
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: just cleaning up some little things, getting some more reps in.
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: But it's hard to argue with what Kevin McGiven's offense
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: has done. You could nitpick a little bit and say
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: maybe some slow starts in the second half, but they're
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: still one of the top two or three offenses in
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: the Big 12 Conference by whatever metric you want to
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: look at. So I would just say probably cleaning up
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: little things. And to be fair, we always talk about
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: bi-weeks getting healthy. The one good thing so far for
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: this Utah football team has been the fact that they've
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: been relatively healthy. They haven't had any major injuries.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: We have been very persnickety on the show this week because...
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: When you're a 4-0 football team and it's not easy
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: to point out, well, you've got to fix this.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, you've got to do this better. You did just
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: allude to it.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: The second half, the start of the second half, third
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: quarters have been, if there is a weak moment, if
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: there is a lull for this team, it's been in
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: the third quarter. They've given up the most points per
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: quarter in their four-game sample size in the third quarter.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: and they've scored the fewest points in their own third
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: quarters when.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: They've got the ball.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Is there anything that you can see that explains that,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: or that would be easy to go into practice this
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: week and say, all right, guys, we've identified this as
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: a minor problem. Here's how we're going to fix it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: Well, maybe last week you might say, well, you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: way Sean Parker was having himself a really nice day
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: and maybe a few more touches there, but you know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: it's hard to nitpick Kevin McGiven's offense because it's been
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: so good.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: In that first half.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: I don't know myself, Sean, if it's an intensity or
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: a focus thing or, you know, defense is making adjustments,
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: but for whatever reason, the third quarters have looked different
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: in the Utah state and the, in the Iowa state game.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: So I, I, Again, numbers say one thing. I don't
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: know what the core issue.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Is with it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: I just know that they haven't been quite as effective
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: in that third quarter as they have in the first two.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I tried to figure it out on the show earlier
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: in the week, and part of it might just be
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: human nature. Part of it might just be that you
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: know that you've got a three-score lead coming out of
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: the half, and it's hard to amp yourself up to
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: an equal measure or whatever. Also, you've got to give
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: credit to other teams in some cases like this. If
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: you go into halftime and you're down two scores or
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: three scores, you're going to come out blazing in the
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: second half knowing that, hey, we have to correct this
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: now because if we don't, we're going to run out
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of time to do so. I think it's nothing overly alarming,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: but it is something that I think we identified. You
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: also talked about maybe getting more pressure from those defensive ends,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: from the edge rushers.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I've been trying to be a little bit more.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Careful how I talk about this because like they're affecting
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: quarterback play. Lance holds right on Ethan day and cash
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Dylan and Paul Fitzgerald. They're affecting what the other quarterback does.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: They just don't, they're not piling up the stats. They're
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: not creating sack fumbles. They're not creating sacks as of
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: this moment. So it's one of those things where it's like, well,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: you're doing 90% of the job. That final 10%, how
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: do we get there? I don't know how big of
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: a problem it is or how big of an issue
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: it is that you're not getting a bunch of sacks because, again,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: we're being nitpicky here, but how do they get from
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: where they're at now to getting that quarterback down to
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the ground?
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: That's a good question because, again, you're right. I mean,
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: they are getting pressures of batting a lot of balls
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: down at the line of scrimmage, too. Lance Holtzclaw's got
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: a bunch of those this year. And Ethan Day's been
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: really good at pressuring the quarterback. I just look at
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: it and think it's just a little odd when you think,
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: Your defensive tackles have three sacks. Your defensive ends have none.
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: You've got 10 as a team, but none from the edges.
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: And again, some of that could be scheme. This is
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: very unusual for Utah, a team that's always had great
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: defensive end plays, you know, four games in not to
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: have one. That's not to say it won't come. And
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: to your point, they are getting pressure. They are harassing
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: the quarterback. They are doing some really nice things. you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: I just, I think that if you probably talk to
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: an LK Brechterfield, he'd probably like to see a couple
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: of his guys get that quarterback down to the ground.
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: But to your point too, sometimes pressures can be every
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: bit as good as the sack itself. Pressure can force
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: an incomplete pass. A pressure can force an interception. And
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: they're getting those. The one thing I will say is
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: I think the defensive tackle play has been much improved
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: this year. Jai Mo has been a revelation for this team.
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: Bronson Kofusi has been really, really good, too. Lucas Samsula
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: has flashed. Pupu Sepulona has flashed. but I would say
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: compared to a year ago, maybe they're not quite getting
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: the production on the end that they had with a
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: Logan Fano or a John Henry Taley, but I think
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: they're getting maybe better production than they got a year
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: ago on the interior.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: The defensive backfield is, by some metrics, the best defensive
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: backfield in all of college football right now with their
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: success rate. And by the way, they've dropped– or almost
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: had like another five interceptions over, over what they've had.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: You got one robbed by the officials last week.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, what would their grade would be an
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: even 100 or a 99.9. If they would have caught
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: all the interceptions that were available to them. But that
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: unit obviously has done an incredible job and no surprise
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: when we're talking about Sharif Shah, but, but coach Odom
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: comes back onto this staff and, And immediately the safeties,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, Nate Ritchie's playing better football than he ever has.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I think we got to give him, the players certainly
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: get credit, but I think Coach Odom gets credit as well.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: Why I agree with all of that, Sean. The safety
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: room's always good for Utah. I think a big part
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: of it for Nate is he's healthy. I mean, Nate
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: Ritchie has battled injuries throughout his career in Utah. He
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: is finally healthy. He, Jackson, Benny, Rabbit Evans, I'll even
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: throw Nate Tillman's been good. when he's gotten in there
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: this year, you knew Scooby Davis was a really good
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: corner on one side. They go to the portal the
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: way they did a year ago. And I mean, they
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: had two guys in the portal that are just rotating
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: and doing great work for them and Bobo Chenault and
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: Elijah Reed. So the back, I think it's fair to
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: say the back end of that defense has been a huge,
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: huge plus for them this year. And, you know, I
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: think the backers have been solid. In fact, I think
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: the young backers and Elijah Ellis and Cyrus Paul, who
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: have been really good, you know, Trey Reynolds and John
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: Hall have been good too. But, you know, the defense, again,
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: when you're 4-0, you've got to buy a week. It's
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: easy to look at some things. They've been really, really good.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: But I probably have been most impressed on that whole
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: defensive unit with the tackles because I didn't know what
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: to make of a lot of new guys coming in.
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: and that safety room.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Bill Riley, voice of the Utes, our guest here on
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell Show, talking all things Utes during their
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: bye week. No game this weekend. They'll be back against
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Kansas next week. We'll get to that here in just
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: a second. Are we ready to stop wondering about the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: offensive line? I mean, four games is a big chunk.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: It's not a full season. And we still have had
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: plenty of rotation in these first four games. But they've
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: played well. And guys, as individual performers, I think are
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: starting to prove some things, not only to Jordan Gross.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: and Kevin McGibbon, but to everyone who's observing this offensive line. Still,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: where are we at on the spectrum of, well, let's
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: wait and see, or we're still questioning you?
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: I'm not waiting and seeing anymore. I'm not questioning them.
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: I think they're good. Now the question is, what's their ceiling?
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: I think this is a good offensive line, Sean. I
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: think we saw a lot of rotating early. I'd be
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: surprised if games are close, if we see much rotating.
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: I kind of feel like they have found five guys
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: they like. That's not to say they don't have a
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: couple of other guys that they can squeeze in there
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: as well. But I think they have kind of found
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: five guys that they like with the ability to rotate
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: guys in if needed. But I thought this was going
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: to be a good offensive line, talking to some of
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: the guys this summer and Jordan Gross and Kevin McGiven.
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: I think through four games, everybody was worried. I don't
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: think there's anything to be worried about. Again, competition is
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: going to get better. I get all of that stuff.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: But Zeroway Williams looks like a Caleb Lomu right now.
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: He looks like one of those guys out there, the
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: great footwork, the athleticism. And really, with Zeroway Williams, it
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: was never about ability. It was about people in front
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: of him and or health. He's been terrific this year.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: I think the freshman Obot's been great. Alex Harrison, the
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: middle of that line, kind of quarterbacking at center. I
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: think they really, really like Cedric Jefferson, too, the kid
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: from Montana State who won a national championship last year
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: at the right tackle spot. But I think they feel
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: good about some guys that they've got in there now.
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: So I'm not worried about it. I think that there's
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: a lot more upside to this offensive line. But I
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: think if this, for whatever reason, let's just say this
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: was the best it was going to be this year,
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: I think this is a good offensive line.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned Zaraway Williams because, as you know,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: My guy, Jeff Schwartz, who you've talked to plenty, he's
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: he's involved in like a lot of that evaluation. Joe
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Moore award voting the pre NFL draft scouting of offensive lineman.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: He goes and does the big man camp with his
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: buddy Duke and gets a lot of those guys ready.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: The offensive line version of like a Manning camp or whatever.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: And zero way Williams has entered their group chat. Zero
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: way is now being talked about. It's like, Hey, where
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: was this guy? And then of course they all know
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: because they follow the offensive lines. Like, Oh yeah, he
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: was playing behind a first round draft pick. It's a
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: testament to the culture of Utah football that he's still there.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: and that he didn't take the easy route and transfer
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: and get out of there when he had an opportunity,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: and he did have opportunities. But also, it's a huge
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: testament to Zeroway as a person. Being a backup is
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: not easy, especially when you're a 6'8'' monstrosity with starter caliber, athleticism,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: and technique, and he bided his time. He sat behind
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: guys that I'm sure helped make him better, and now
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: it looks like Utah and he individually could be reaping
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: the rewards for this. It's kind of a feel-good story
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: in college football that doesn't get told all that often
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: anymore because it's, what can you do for me right now?
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: Same thing with Alex Harrison. Same thing with a guy
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: like Keith Olson. I mean, these guys have all been
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: in the program four and five years, and they've bided
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: their time behind guys that were in front of them. Sean,
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: I'm old enough to remember. You're borderline old enough to
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: remember those great Nebraska offensive lines of the 80s and 90s.
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: The Cornhuskers were the first people that really used the
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: red shirt big time. They'd bring those guys in. They'd
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: put them in that world-class weight room. They'd red shirt
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: them for a couple of years. Those guys, a lot
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: of them didn't play till they were juniors or seniors.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: And this was before fifth and sixth year stuff. But
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, you had to earn your time. You got bigger,
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: you got stronger, you learned the system. And then those
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: guys were all Americans in a year and they were
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: playing in the NFL the next year. I think we've
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: just gotten so used to college football today where guys
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: either play as freshmen and start as freshmen because they're
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: so highly touted and they're worried if they're going to
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: transfer or they stay in a program two or three
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: years and if they don't play, then they transfer that way.
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: I think if you're looking at the big picture of
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: the history of college football, Zeroway Williams and some of
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: these guys have kind of followed the natural progression of
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: how it kind of used to be and getting bigger
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: and learning. And then when you get your opportunity, you
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: thrive because you're ready to go.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I've abdicated my responsibility. We made it
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: 15 minutes into a conversation, and I have yet to
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: mention the quarterback. And Devin Dampier, obviously, is massively important
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: to what this team is doing. Bert Ficklin is just
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: behind him. Backup's not even the right word. It's like
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: his sidekick quarterback. And Kevin McGiven's done a masterful job
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: of getting them all touches and things like that. But
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Devin's grading out incredibly well. He compares very well with
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: not only other quarterbacks, in the big 12 conference, but nationally,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of people think he's a top 15, top
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: 20 style quarterback could be even better than that. And
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: if he maintains this pace, it feels like the ceiling
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: is incredibly high for this team.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Am I missing anything?
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: I don't think so. I mean, I think Devin just
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: looks much more comfortable this year. One, he's healthy. He
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: hasn't suffered a real debilitating injury like he did early
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: in the season last year against Texas Tech. So I
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: think he feels good. I think he trusts his offensive line.
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: Maybe it's not the line it was a year ago,
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: but I think he's another year more mature as a starter, Sean.
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: I think he was at New Mexico having to be Superman, right?
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: And then I think there was still a little bit
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: of that tendency a year ago to where I've got
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: to make the spectacular play. I've got to add lib.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: And I think being a little bit more mature another
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: year in the system, being with Kevin McGiven, but also
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: being surrounded by the cast that he's got, whether it's
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: Ficklin or Parker or Bray or Pagan or Johnson or
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: Whitamore or Hunter, you name them. There's just so much
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: there around him that I don't feel like Devin, because
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: he did it in New Mexico, and maybe he did
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: last year a little bit when they weren't running it.
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: I get a sense that he just feels– you talk.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: To him every week.
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: I don't know what kind of sense you get, but
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: I just– when I've been around him, and then obviously
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: when I call the games, he just looks very comfortable
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: running the show.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I think comfortable in everything is why he's– Off the field,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I think he's more comfortable. I think he's got a
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: really good situation with his management team, and his teammates
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: love him, and he loves his coaches. I think that
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: we now know that his success is because of himself
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: and not just his attachment to Jason Peck, which might
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: have been something that people weighed in. I don't know.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: It's really interesting to try to pinpoint the reasons why,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: but it kind of doesn't matter. He's just playing great football.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: And it's fun to watch and hopefully continues to be
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: fun to watch. And he can stay as healthy as
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: he is right now.
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: Let me ask you, let me ask you a question.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: Because people ask me this all the time, but I'm
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: going to ask you four games, almost a month of football,
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: not great competition, solid competition. What's the big question you
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: still have.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: About this Utah football team?
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: It's literally, can they sustain it when they play? a
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Houston caliber opponent, a BYU caliber opponent. And there's nothing
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: that tells me they can't. It's like, can you play
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: this level of football against teams that are your equal
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: from a physical talent standpoint and from a coaching standpoint?
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Right now, they haven't had to answer that question. They
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: have not played anyone who is across the board as
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: physically talented as they are and is across the board
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: as well coached as they are. They are beating up
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: on lesser than right now, and my only question, and
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: it's kind of a minor one, and it's one that
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: exists for every team every single year. Can you play
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: this well when you're against somebody who is your equal
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: or maybe someone who's even a little bit more talented
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: than you? That is the question I have now, and
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I think you're only going to really get to answer
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: that question in maybe two games, three games of the
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: regular season. Well, I think it's Houston. I think it's BYU.
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: I think maybe it's Arizona going down to Arizona. I
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: don't know what to make of Cincinnati yet. I know
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: they're 4-0. I know they beat Kansas State last week.
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: Kansas State hadn't played anybody. Maybe Cincinnati's sneaky good. I
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: would also maybe throw TCU or West Virginia in there
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: that month of November. West Virginia kind of fell back
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: to earth a little bit at home last week, gagging
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: on that lead. I think this is a big week
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: for both BYU and TCU. One for BYU, they take
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: the show on the road. One for TCU, hey man,
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: you've lost twice this year. If you're going to be
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: a good team, you kind of have to do it
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: at home. But I agree with you.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: And to be fair, I thought a year ago for
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: three quarters against Texas Tech, they were right there. And
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: I think Devin being banged up in that game really
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: showed the defense got worn down in the fourth quarter.
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: The BYU game, to me, Utah was their equal, except
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: for they beat themselves. with no conversions on fourth down,
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: and the fumble hurt them, too. But I thought that
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: they were right there with the two teams that played
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: for the conference championship. So I'm with you. I think
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: this season's very much a continuation of last season, but
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: I think this team's maybe got a higher ceiling offensively
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: than last year's team did.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Which is such a wild thing to say because you
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: had the fourth best rushing attack in college football last year.
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: So, well, I mean, it was the quietest 11 and
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: two season ever.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: I mean, what they missed by two spots, three spots,
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: they missed the big, they missed the big 12 championship
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: game by one or two fourth down conversions. I mean,
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: it's more, maybe if you just opt to kick field
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: goals there instead, you're playing in the big 12 championship game. Anyway,
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: we can always litigate that back. But my point was,
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: I think people have forgotten and I've gone on some
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: national shows and talked about it. They were a really,
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: really good 11 and two team a year ago.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: And now they've got a reinvigorated, even better version of
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: way Sean Parker. And this will be the last thing
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: that we talked about bill, but he's right now, he's
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: the best player on this football team. And there's a
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: lot of really good players on this football team. How
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: close are we to way Sean being in the conversation
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: with the Zach Mosses and the fast Eddie Johnson's and
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: the Devante bookers and a bunch of the great guys
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: that have rolled through this position at the university of Utah.
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: Well, I didn't know when he came in the program
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: if he was an NFL back. He looked like a
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: good college back to me. You watch him this year,
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: he's an NFL back. And NFL scouts that have come
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: and watched him play have said the same thing about
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: Wayshawn Parker. He doesn't have a deficiency in his game, Sean.
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: He runs. He's got great burst. He's got great vision.
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: He breaks tackles. He catches the ball, as we've seen,
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: exceedingly well out of the backfield. He's really good in
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: the open field. And maybe the thing that NFL guys
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: love the most is his pass protection is silly. His
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: blitz pickup and his pass protection, he is really good.
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: He checks all three of those running back boxes. I
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: don't know if he's going to put up 1,400, 1,500
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: yards just because of where he's at right now, but
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: he's got nine touchdowns, and he's catching it well, and
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: you're right. Outside of Devin Dampier, he's the most important
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: football player on this team, and to this point in time,
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: and maybe it was a little calculated. Maybe they were
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: saving him. Maybe they're going to utilize him more as
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: we get into conference season, and they were saving some
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: of those hits and those touches early in the season
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: to get some other people involved, but based on what
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: we saw last week in Ames, he is, he's, he's
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: on that list. He may not have the career numbers
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: at Utah, but a guy like Zach Moss does because
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure he'll be here for years, but he's,
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: he's really good.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: He's not going to touch Alex Smith who accounted for
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: 42 total touchdowns, but I mean, he's on pace. He, he,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: If he stays on the pace he's at right now,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: he's going to score 27. Even if he scores 25,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: that's the most productive year that we've ever had touchdown-wise
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: from a running back.
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: It's funny. I had a preseason battle for the Big 12.
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: I made Devin Vampir my preseason offensive player of the
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: year in the conference. It may end up being way
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: Sean Parker. Again, if you factor in touchdown production, receiving
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: and catching yards, he's going to be in that mix.
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: And to me, at the end of the day, the
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: thing that's about him and hearing Morgan talk about a
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: lot of these guys on the offensive side especially is
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: that they just want to win. They just want to win.
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: And they know winning is going to be, you know,
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: get them all the attention they want.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to– I'm going to limit you.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: You can only watch one Big 12 football game this weekend.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: UCF Houston, your alma mater, Kansas, is Middle Tennessee, so
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: throw that one out. BYU-TCU, you mentioned. Texas Tech is
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: at Colorado. Cincinnati at Arizona. Both of those teams, I think,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: have a chance to be pretty good. Baylor at Arizona State.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Which game, if you only get to watch one?
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: I'm probably going to go BYU-TCU because Utah plays both
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: of those teams. And like I said earlier, this is
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: kind of the backs against the wall game for TCU.
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: You've lost twice. You lost in conference. If you want
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: to have any chance, you've got to be able to
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: protect your home turf. And for BYU, I know they
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: played at Colorado State. I get that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: And they're good.
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: But I really want to see what that looks like
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: when they go on the road against a desperate team
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: because I think TCU is going to be desperate.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Bill, enjoy your weekend, your off weekend. Rest that voice,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I guess, a little bit. And we'll chat again next week.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks, Sean. Talk to you soon.
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  Speaker 2: We have to sneak this in because I should have
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  Speaker 2: what's going on at the bank of Utah championship down
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: in your old stomping grounds.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: So happy for a couple of reasons. One, it's just
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: so cool. I mentioned this yesterday. Cool to see the
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: home area, hometown, if not exactly hometown for me being
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: showcased on kind of national TV. I'll, I'll say this too.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Another reason why that's cool is because there's just nothing.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: There's no reason sports wise up until now for the St.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: George area to be, to get that kind of a spotlight,
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Utah tech and, is not that big a deal in
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: college sports, right?
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: It's that there's no, and there's no pro sports teams
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: in the area. So this is the, this is the
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: event to do that. And it's just, it's a rare thing.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: It's really cool. But anyway, I digress, uh, bad news
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: You will not. I do.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I do not have to say our guy's suit.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: He's name. Dang it. Cause he's not the leader anymore. Uh,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: it's Kevin Roy, much easier to pronounce. Okay. Uh, Sounds
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: like you made up that name just so you don't
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: have to say a hard one.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I suppose it could be Patrick Waugh. It could be
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Kevin Waugh.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: It could be Waugh.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: It could be Kevin Waugh. French-Canadian Kevin Roy. He is American,
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: but maybe he's got French-Canadian roots there. He's at 15 under.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: He's 7 under for the day. He's still got a
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: couple more holes to go. He's shot a 63 so far, which.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: OC to golf novices like you and I, we know
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: that 63 is good though. Okay.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: So that's a really good day for Kevin Roy. It's
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: like a mini golf score.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Kevin Wah, if you will.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Uh, one shot off the lead alone in second is
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Kevin Streelman. The Kevin's something about Kevin today. He's at
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: 14 under he's 600 for the day. A few shots behind, uh, Wah.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: 12 shots in on his back nine. So he's got
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: even more time to overtake first place here before his
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: round is over. Alone in third is Austin Smotherman. The Smotherman,
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: he is 12 under, three shots off the lead. Alone
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: in fourth is Chris Kirk. He is 10 under, five
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: shots off the lead. I think that's the most I've
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: seen that are alone. We usually have a lot of
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: guys tied in the top 10. Tied for 5th, a
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: bunch of guys. Harry Higgs, they're at 9-under. Max Homa,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: Taylor Moore.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: And then to round.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Out the top 10, let's see if I can... Billy
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Horschel might be the biggest name. Tied for 10th at 8-under.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: And a few other guys. Jordan Smith is one of those.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Check on how our guy Tony Finau did yesterday. He
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: was three under, or he's three under for the tournament. He's,
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: he's in his, uh, He's in the back nine. He's
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: two under for the day. So he finished the day
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: yesterday one under par. Right now, because the scores are
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: so low, though, OC, he's one shot back of the
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: projected cut.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: At three under. At three under. So this is a
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: tough game. Tough tournament to make the cut.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: He's only one shot back at that, though, and he's
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: 13 holes in, so he's still got five holes to go.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: He's got to find at least one birdie in the
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: rest of his round to play the weekend down at
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Black Desert. So that's your PGA Tour leaderboard update brought
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• 59:44
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I guess that is an easy course, at least
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: for these guys. Well, we'll talk about it with Paul
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Pugmire when he joins us. Our number three.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: Live from the bank of Utah championship, by the way,
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Paul on hand. So he'll get us some eyewitness accounts
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: of what we're seeing over there.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Paul Pugmire is just, he's absolutely in his glory when
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: he's at an event like this. Like there's nothing that
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: is more Paul Pugmire than the PGA coming to the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: state of Utah. He knows everything about the PGA. He
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: knows everything about the, golf here in the state of Utah.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: This is the Venn diagram becoming a perfect circle for
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Paul Pugmire.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: And he, I don't think he's missed. It was black
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: desert championship was the name at first.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: They've got it.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: They've got a corporate sponsor now, bank of Utah. Um,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's missed a single one, whether it's.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: The LPGA or the PGA one LPGA in the summertime, uh,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: And if you're Paul, of course you're going to go
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: to all those. So Evie, you're right. Just a dream
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: thing for the PGA to have a, an event here
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: in our home state for Paul.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: All right. So we're coming up on a weekend of
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: college football where obviously Utah is inactive. They're on the buy,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: but it is a sneaky monster weekend in college football,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: November 7th, where the holy wars played is going to
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: be another huge, huge, huge weekend. Great rivalry games. ranked
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: versus ranked all these types of things. The Alabama, Mississippi
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: state game played in this weekend is huge. And I'm
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: looking at it even through the lens of Utah football.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: That's a massive game because if Alabama wins now, you've
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: probably gained some ground on Mississippi state in the rankings.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Cause they'll drop a little bit.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: If Mississippi state wins potentially Not even potentially Mississippi state wins.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: They're going to leapfrog Utah in the rankings and it
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: all comes out in the wash and the rankings don't
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: matter all that much mid season. It's just a conversation
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: point for guys like me. But if Mississippi state beats Alabama,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Mississippi state now is probably a top 12 team and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: pushes Utah down a little bit. Alabama probably doesn't fall
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: that far. So maybe they still stay in front of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: the Utes in a situation like that one. Houston is
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: active against the UCF team that I think is better
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: than a lot of people expected them to be. So
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: that one is really interesting in conference. BYU is on
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: the road for the first time against TCU. I don't
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: think TCU is as good as we projected them to be.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: I think BYU is going to be able to handle
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: their business there. And That affects Utah in a couple
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: of different ways, obviously, because you want, even though you
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: don't like to root for BYU, you want BYU to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: come to Rice Echo Stadium as an undefeated, at that point,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: probably like top 17.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: That's what you want.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: And you want that to be the biggest win possible
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: if you can get it. It also affects Utah if
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: TCU continues to pile up losses for This is one that,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people already had penciled in
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: for them. Most of us thought that they were going
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: to be able to beat North Carolina and that they
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: were going to be able to beat UCF and that
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: TCU would probably be a ranked team in this game
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: against BYU.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: They're not right.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: So let's say they exit the weekend two and three,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: and then they're against Baylor, West Virginia, Kansas, Arizona, Kansas state,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: all of those winnable games for TCU. But now they're
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: dealing with diminished confidence. Now there's little trouble in paradise.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: who knows what kind of angst you got developing, and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: maybe that reduces the quality of a TCU win if
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Utah can get it at the end of November, right?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: It doesn't diminish how dangerous they are. It just diminishes
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: how much people respect you either beating them or, of course,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: the disastrous outcome of potentially losing to them.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: So that one affects Utah indirectly. The TCU-BYU game.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: As Bill Riley mentioned, both future opponents for the Utes
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: on the docket.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Another monster one.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: It's not ranked versus ranked, although there's plenty of those
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: matchups on the slate this weekend. Miami against Clemson. That
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: one is at Clemson, right? That is a really tough
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: place to play. Miami is three score favorites here. They're
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: 16 and a half point favorites against the University of Miami. Now,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Clemson lost badly to LSU, and then they beat Georgia Southern,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: North Carolina, and Cal, and none of those games were
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: super impressive, but this Clemson team is very, very talented,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: and the reason I bring it up is Miami is
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: a team that right now is projected to be a
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: college football playoff team. They're projected to be the top
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: dogs in the ACC. They've got this Clemson game. They've
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: got a Notre Dame game later in the season. The
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: rest of it for Miami is, they're going to be
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: heavy favorites in every game except that Notre Dame game.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: So you need one of these like sneaky underdog talented
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: teams in the ACC to give you a litmus test
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: of how good Miami really is when we're talking about
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: the power structure of college football. And of course they
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: are one of those big spender type rosters. So it's
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: informative on that front as well. Headlining a, a, part
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: of the slate this weekend, Ohio state, Iowa, Iowa beat
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: Michigan last week.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: They are four and Oh, Iowa is a team.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: And a program that if you are looking for examples
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: of what Utah can be, should be sustainably can hope
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: to be in college football. to the chagrin of many
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: because of the style of the football that they have
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: played for so many years. But Iowa is a, is
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: a team that spends kind of at the bottom end
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: of the big 10, which is still a little bit
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: higher than most of the teams in the big 12.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: And it's a little bit higher than what Utah is
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: spending right now. But Iowa is overachieving relative to their
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: spending relative to their reputation relative to their standing. in
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: things like the, you know, recruiting rankings and the pop
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: culture awareness, Iowa is just, they're just consistently good. Iowa
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: is the reliable, you know, what you're going to get hard-nosed,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit boring, sometimes well-coached and they're there again,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: fanatical fan base that understands that team and that dynamic
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: in a way that Most people around the nation really don't.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: It's very much a reflection of what we see from
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah. Iowa is a team that I
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: think you kind of root for from a philosophical standpoint.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: And they've got a chance to beat Ohio State, who,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: of course, is still a top-five team in the country,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: their only loss, a razor-thin road loss to the number-one team, Texas.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: And this is the Buckeyes' moment. Molly walked Illinois last week.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: So a tough test for Iowa. And again, these are
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: teams that are ranked Iowa, especially ranked in proximity to
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: the university of Utah and a team that when I say, yeah,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: you can root for squads like this because what happens,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: what's good for them is a confirmation that you can
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: continue to be successful at Utah doing the way things,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: the way that you do them. And at the price
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: that you do them well, that all evaporates when you're
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: talking about the limited space in a college football playoff.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: And when you talk about Iowa now being a team
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: that has to be reckoned with in the rankings, it
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: will have plenty of resolution as the season progresses. But
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: that one interesting because of where I was ranked relative
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: to Utah. And just the fact that these are two
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: monster big 10 teams, Florida takes on Missouri. I am
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: not as big a believer in Missouri as some people are.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: I think I'm jumping on the Florida Gators bandwagon again.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: They're right now a top-ten team.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Tennessee hosting Auburn, and they'll have their happy hour at Tennessee,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: as we talked about on the show yesterday. So how
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: insane is that atmosphere going to be? It's a day
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: game at Neyland Stadium. Thankfully, the weather's not going to
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: be too bad, 76 degrees. So all those people who
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: start pre-gaming way too early– They're probably not going to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: pass out from dehydration, which is good. Texas tech, Colorado.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Not all that interesting for me. Washington USC sneaky.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: Good.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: I think the Washington Huskies are three in one. They
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: lost to Minnesota and their three wins are over Washington state,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Utah state and Eastern Washington. Those were all home games.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: In fact, they've only played home games so far. This
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: will be the first trip out of Seattle for Jed
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: fish and the Huskies and U S needs this win
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: in the worst way. They should get it, but they
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: need this win in the worst way. They're 8.5-point favorites
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: in this one. Washington got a wake-up call from the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Golden Gophers of Minnesota where P.J. Fleck was rubbing his
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: players' blood on his face in celebration, acting like a
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: complete lunatic. I'm always at least peripherally interested in what's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: going on at USC football.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: It's a hate watch for me.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to admit that, but if USC doesn't
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: win this game and failing that, I think they have
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: to like win and cover.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: I think they have to be impressive in this game.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: The smoke and the fire on the Lincoln Riley $ 70
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: million buyout hot seat is getting to a level of concern,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: a level of seriousness that for people down in Southern California.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: And maybe concern and seriousness is the wrong way to
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: put it because I think there are plenty of folks
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: who want Lincoln Riley to be out. But if you're
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: a BYU fan, I've said it, I'll say it again.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: If you're a BYU fan, you want Lincoln Riley to
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: be successful in this game. You don't want USC making
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: phone calls to Provo. And they will if Lincoln Riley
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: and this USC Trojans team lose to Washington.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I promise you. Even if it doesn't happen immediately, that
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: will be.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: The kind of beginning of the end type loss if
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: they can't get a win here. Washington, USC, that is
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: a 530 game on NBC. Right now, the best group
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: of five team, group of six team in the country
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: is the Boise State Broncos.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Again, we're familiar with this refrain.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Utah State's got a tough one on the road against Boise,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: who's 18 and a half point favorites there. And that
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: kind of rounds out the more important and more interesting games.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Although the big 12 slate, and we talked about this
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: with bill, the big 12 slate, UCF Houston is sneaky,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: kind of a good game. West Virginia, Iowa state, West
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Virginia needs to bounce back and win that one. Cincinnati, Arizona,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: the night game on Fox, the big 12 after dark game.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: This one is, this is a good game.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Arizona, despite being three and one and unranked, they are
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: the home home favorites here, six and a half point favorites.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati is for me, a surprise four and O on
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: the season coming off that win over Kansas state, Boston college,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: West Carolina, Miami of Ohio, but then they beat a
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: good and productive Kansas state team.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: And now they go on the road again for the
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: first time.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: There's a ton of teams in college football that played
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: their entire first four games at home without getting on
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: a bus, without getting on a plane. Does that change
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: the dynamic? enough significantly for Cincinnati. We're going to find
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: out and they'll go back to back on the road. Also,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: this game interests me because Arizona is the team or
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: one of the teams that I thought would be that
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: next tier kind of beneath TCU, excuse me, beneath Texas tech,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: BYU and Utah. I thought Arizona was one of the teams.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: In fact, I thought they were the team that That
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: would be in the conversation alongside whoever fell out of
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: that conference championship obvious matchup. And to be fair, all
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: of us, I shouldn't say all of us because I
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: can't speak for you people, but most handicapped the conference
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: as being Texas Tech and or BYU at the top,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: kind of by themselves. And then Utah being down on
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: the next tier and then Arizona being another tier below that.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: For me personally, it was BYU at the top in
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: the preseason, Texas tech, I thought would have a bit
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: of a fall off. And as much as I try
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: to be realistic, I thought that Utah would have more
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: questions that needed to be answered. Even playing a soft
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: schedule in the early part of the season right now, The,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: it looks like it's BYU, Utah, Texas tech, maybe slightly
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: below them, although they're winning, they're doing what they're supposed
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: to do. I just don't think they're as impressive or
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: convincing in those wins. And Will Hammond has not been
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: the quarterback that they need him to be. They brought
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: in the Castellanos guy. And a lot of us, you know, they,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: first of all, in the off season, they brought in Sorsby.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: They dealt with the controversy that was associated with that,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: dragged the program through the mud really for no reason.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: not for no reason, but in a wasteful way, I
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: should say, there was a reason that the mud existed.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Them fighting that battle was a bad choice is what
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to say there. And then I kept saying,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: they're going to be fine with Will Hammond. They're going
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: to be fine with Will Hammond. Well, look, Joey McGuire
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: knew something that I don't. Of course, that's his quarterback.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: And he just hasn't been as good as he looked
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: against the University of Utah. That's the best game he's
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: played in his career. That is right now the high
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: watermark of his career when he came in against the
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Utes and looked incredible and helped that team kind of
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: wear Utah down and end up taking over that game
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: A big part of that was Will Hammond. And we
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: have learned there.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: Was some context to it as a guy who grew
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: up as a BYU fan. He's always hated Utah and
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: it was kind of like his Superbowl and he played
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: that way.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: He was incredible.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Well, he has not met that level yet or since.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: And they've had to use the Castellanos guy. And it's
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: just a strange thing going on at Texas tech right now.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: But back to the point I was making Arizona was
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: that team. I believe in Brent Brennan as a coach.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: I believe in no for feet as a quarterback. He
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't have quite the, the offensive weapons that he enjoyed
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: in a first round draft pick high school teammate, incredible chemistry,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: a sort of situation like he had with Tetsuro McMillan,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: but He's still got some good weapons at his disposal.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: They've got a solid defensive lineup. They've got a really
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: talented group of players. And I think Arizona, after losing
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: to BYU and really not looking all that great, the
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: score was not indicative of how much BYU dominated that game,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: in my opinion. 28-17 makes it look like it was
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: closer than it really was for me. And Arizona could
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: play themselves back into this conversation of, Hey, we took
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: an early season loss because we're the only team, one
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: of the only teams in this conference that played anybody
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: in the early part of the season.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: But watch what we're capable of now. They need to
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: get their running game more established.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Still, Arizona is one of those teams that is either
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: going to start proving themselves this weekend or they're going
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: to fall out of the conversation. They're going to fall
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: by the wayside. They're going to either prove me wrong
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: or they're going to prove me right. And of course,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping that they prove me right because I don't
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: like being wrong. It's never fun. All right, we've got
• 1:16:05
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• 1:16:07
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• 1:16:10
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• 1:16:13
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• 1:16:15
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• 1:16:19
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• 1:16:22
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• 1:16:24
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• 1:18:12
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• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: one of the, casualties of tom dundon's as far as
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: we could tell terrible ownership so far it has been
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: their longtime play-by-play announcer and a guy that is beloved
• 1:18:30
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• 1:18:33
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• 1:18:36
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• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: not to continue his role as the play-by-play broadcaster for
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: the the Portland trailblazers because he said they, they offer
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: him a subprime contract. This is something that they they've
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: been doing. Tom Dundon is a penny pincher. He is
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: the guy who won't even give like the commemorative t-shirts
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: on opening night or playoff games. He's like, And he
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: feels like you can't tell him anything because he owns
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: the Carolina Hurricanes who just won a Stanley Cup.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: So he's like, what do you mean? I know exactly
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: what I'm doing as a sports owner.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: One other thing, that was a subprime was a dig
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: at how Tom Dundon built his fortune, which was through
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: subprime auto lending. So it's like a little, oh, well,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: the contract was subprime, just like his business that he's in.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: By the way, having a little experience with this kind
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: of thing myself, it's a tough place to be put
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: in when someone offers you less than you make or
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: less than you're worth, and then you have to make
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: a decision on whether or not you want to continue.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: And Kevin Calabro walked away. That's a lot of uncertainty
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: he's facing. Now, my hope is he's made enough money
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: and done enough that he's going to land on his feet. Well,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: he's landed on his feet. He's the T-Wolves play-by-play guy now.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: So I didn't even know that he's got another job.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: So yeah, he landed on his feet with a team
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: that is a lot more interesting and going to be
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: a lot better to call NBA games for, but yeah,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: his replacement was his replacement was short-lived young guy, 29
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: year old, which good gracious. Everyone in the world wants
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: these jobs. Getting them in your twenties is a win. Congratulations.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: Congratulations for about 24 hours. Young man named Braden Bell
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: was hired by the Portland Trailblazers as their play-by-play announcer.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: And then he was summarily fired because somebody went back
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: through his old tweets, tweets from 2012 and 2013, which look,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: that was, that was not that long ago.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was a long time ago, but it's
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: not that long ago, right?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: My thoughts and opinions about the world in general are
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: probably not super different now than they were in 2012
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: and 2013. Of course, in 2013, I turned 30 years old.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: This guy, Braden Bell, when people were digging up his
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: old tweets, he He was 15 when he was saying
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: things that were unflattering to the fair sex, came off
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: as misogynistic. He threw some things out there that can
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: only be perceived as racist against Asians.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible thing that he tweeted about.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Or terrible things that he tweeted back in the day
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: and at any age to be thinking or let alone
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: publishing those kinds of thoughts.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: It's, it's not good.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: It's bad. It's bad.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: It's bad.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Um, and it brings into light the conversation of how
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: far back we need to adjudicate people's statements and conversations
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: on social media and how far back you yourself need
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: to look at your own things in social media and,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: And whether or not a 15-year-old version of you and
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: that behavior should forever alter your employment opportunities and things
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: like that when you are now 30. He's 29 years old.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: And look, I'm going to be really careful how I
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: discuss this because I think that on the spectrum of,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: hey man, you can't really forgive a 15-year-old for doing that.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Mean tweets are pretty low on the list because kids
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: are morons. And kids on social media are even bigger morons.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to excuse any racially insensitive or
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: gender insensitive or whatever.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: The content that he put out there, not condonable.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: You don't. And it's not like, and if it's your
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: kid doing that, your teenage son doing that, which he
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: was when he did this, right?
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: He's somebody's teenage son.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: You want to correct that and you want to stop that.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: My hope would be... There's no argument there.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Twitter didn't exist when I was 15.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Text messages didn't exist when I was 15.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: If people were walking around with cameras.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: You're old.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. If people were walking around with cameras...
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: Camera phones barely existed, right? I don't think any of
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: my friends had a camera phone. Maybe they existed, but
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: they weren't... Teenagers didn't have them yet. Like, they were
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: probably too expensive. Now, like, there's some stuff on Camcorder....
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe camera phones did exist, but I think it was
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: a camcorder. There's some stuff. I did some stuff on
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: camcorder home video.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Like on a home video camera that I'm glad has
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: never come out.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: I got in a fight one time at a very
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: public place that everyone would recognize that someone had a camcorder.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: They got my friend filmed.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: And it was like, you know, it's unceremonious teenage dumb behavior,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: but like, If I was 30 years old and I
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: got fired from a dream job because of that, which
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: my behavior in that scenario was completely unacceptable.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: And it'd be ridiculous for you to get fired for
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: a job at 30 for that.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: And by the way, it was actually illegal. What I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: did was actually illegal. You didn't get charged, whatever. I
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: didn't get charged. I didn't get arrested.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: There was no police involvement. But the point is, there's
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: a videotape somewhere. Shout out, Cam, if you have that. Um,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: please don't put it on social media is what you're saying.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: Like there. And do I use bad language in that video?
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: Do I throw out insults in that video that you
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: probably can't say anymore?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: I hope not, but maybe if I, and so when
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: I was thirties, when I was working in San Francisco, right?
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: So let's say that that video from when I was
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: 15 or 16 years old and I got in a
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: fight in a parking lot with some guy, That video
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: comes out, and my employer at the flagship home of
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: the Raiders and the Oakland Athletics, they're just like, oh, yeah, sorry, man.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: That was unacceptable behavior when you were a teenager. We
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: have to fire you. How would we feel about that?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: That doesn't sit right with me. And it obviously depends
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: on the thing, right? There are things that juveniles do.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: Records may or may not be sealed. that that's not forgivable,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: even when you're 10, 20 years later, okay? Like, that
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: probably will affect your employment status. Or in some cases,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: maybe it doesn't. But most of the time, it probably will. Well,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: and I want to talk more about this later, OC,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: but I'll just say this for now, my feeling on this.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: When it comes to saying things that are not condonable....
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: But saying things as a teenager for about 15 years
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: later for you to get fired for something because a
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: TV station decided to take however many hours it took
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: to find those tweets because he's kept tweeting for 12,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: 13 years since then. For them to come out and
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: publish those things and drag the name through the mud,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think that that's necessary. And I don't think
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: that the Portland Trailblazers had to fire this kid for that.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: I also want to say this. Well, and again, I'll
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: say again, I'm not condoning anything he said. I just
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: don't think that in this case that's necessary.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: And look, I hate, I mean, I loathe.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: When people explain away bad behavior, saying things like kids
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: will be kids, boys will be boys, I can't stand that.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: I really hate it because it's applied as a blanket
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: thing over whatever the offense is. Like, if somebody eggs
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: my house, it's obnoxious, it's technically illegal, it's a pain.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: Do I want somebody when they're 21 years old to
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: get fired because their employer finds out that they did that?
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about this in the airing of grievances last night.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: So a guy said something to me last night when
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: I was pulling into the park at the mammoth game,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: a guy said something to me last night that if
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: his employer found out that he said that he would
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: be fired for it.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: I don't want him fired for it. Like people say
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: and do dumb things.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: There's a difference for me between like, if you, if
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: you are a part of like a violent assault, or
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: if you're somebody who like breaks into someone's house and
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: steals things, or like if it's a real crime that
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: happened when you were 15 years old, maybe we could
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: have a conversation about how long that needs to affect you.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: This guy, Brayden Bell, and I'm not, I'm coming off
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: as being like a champion for him.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know him at all.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: I don't, He sent some bad tweets when he was
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: 15 years old. And a big part of why this
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: television station and why people in Portland are like, you
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: cannot employ this guy because he's a misogynist.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: Guess what he's been doing for the last two years?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Building his resume, building his chops as a basketball announcer.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: Guess what he's been doing? WNBA games. He's been the
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: voice of the Phoenix Mercury. for the last two seasons.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: He hates women and goodness gracious, the Phoenix mercury and
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: the Phoenix market never went back to when he was
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: 15 years old and said, Oh, he tweeted something about
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: big girls.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: So we got to fire him.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: And maybe, maybe in that case, it would have been
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: better because then he could have been brought before the
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: team and the team would have been like, what's this about, man?
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: You got to show women more respect or something like that.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: It could have been, I don't know, but this is
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: a guy who spent two years calling WNBA games.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Then he gets an NBA job.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: And the same day someone goes back and says, has
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: he ever said anything when he was 15 years old
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: that I find to be unacceptable?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. And it sucks.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: Listen, all of us, every single one of us and
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: I'm maybe women less than men. I don't know, but
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: I think even, even girls, teenage girls.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: Could probably be, uh, put in this category.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: Every single one of us has said something that in
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: today's culture of cancel culture, such a new over, overused term.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: It's kind of been gone by the wayside a little bit,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: but it's coming back. Um, But in this culture of
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: like nothing is forgivable of what you said publicly, like
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: all of us would be fired. All of us would
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: be canceled, would want people would want us to be
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: canceled in some way based on something we said as
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: a teenager.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: We just mean like I.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: When I was junior high is when Twitter came out
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: for me, so Facebook was there all through high school
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: for me. So I had the opportunity to say some things.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: You didn't really have that opportunity when you were in
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: high school. Didn't go on those things very much because
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: they were still new. So it's still more like things
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: I said to people. that maybe we're off color or
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: we're downright insulting, downright ignorant.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm guilty of that.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: Are you saying I should never have a job?
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Like, it's ridiculous.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: And look. I think an important distinction, at least for me,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: is if he sent out these tweets when he was
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: 25 and now he was 39. Completely different thing. Then
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: we'd be having a different conversation. He's an adult at
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: that point. It's cited in the ESPN article, so I
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: think I can say it. I'm quoting here. One of
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: the things that he's being fired for is he tweeted,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: and I don't know the context of it. He tweeted
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: something about, in the tweet he said, I'm not racist, but,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: this is the quote, I'm not racist, but Asian people.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: Upset me.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: And you shouldn't say that. Obviously, that is can only
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: be interpreted as racist. That's not something that anyone should
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: ever put out there. That's not someone that anyone should
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: ever think. However, if you do it when you're 15
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: years old. And then you're 29 or 30 years old
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: and someone goes back and digs it up and be like,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: remember when you said this, you probably truly don't even
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: remember when you said that. Now I will allow for this.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: If the Portland trailblazers handled this the right way, they
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: would have gotten notice of these tweets existing from the
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: television station up there, which is weird enough in its
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: own right.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: And they would have said, okay, thank you for bringing
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: this to our attention.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: We're going to go talk to Braden Bell about this,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: and we'll tell you what our decision is. And if
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: they go back and they talk to Braden Bell, and
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: they're just like, I'm going to interview every person you know.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to interview your previous employer with the Phoenix Mercury.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go talk to all these people.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Is any of them going to tell me that you're
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: a racist or a misogynist?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: Like that you still hold these things that you held
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: these thoughts that you held when you were 15.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: And if he goes.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Asian people do upset me. Then fire him.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: And if he says, yeah, I have a problem with women.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: I was just working in the WNBA because I needed
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: a job. Then fire the guy. But that's the only way.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's what they did, to be fair.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's what they did, but this is crazy. I
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: would think that they would have made a statement.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: In their statement, they would have said, we went back
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: and we found that this is still a pervasive thing, though.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: I would think that. That was not in their statement.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: This is the statement.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: We did not meet our own bar in this process.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: For that, we apologize to Blazers Flans and to Rip City.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: We strongly believe that everyone who's part of the rip
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: city should feel welcome and safe. And we will make
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: sure that our new broadcaster reflects these values.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: We will do better.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: Good luck to the Portland trailblazers and anyone who wants
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: this job because everyone who's applying now is going back
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: and they are scrubbing their social media from the last
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: probably 25 years forever.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: It's, Good luck.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: And listen, like, I don't want to come off as, again,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: I do not want anyone to misinterpret me to say
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: I think that what he put in those tweets when
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: he was a teenager are acceptable.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: Not condone, like, just uncondonable.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: And should not be thought of in a good way
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: at all. Those are bad things that he said. I
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: don't think that it should have affected his employment unless
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: you make a good point to say if they did
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: some extra background after this came to light and they
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: found that, hey, this is still part of who he is, okay,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: that's acceptable. I don't trust that that's what they did, though, OC.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: I just don't trust it.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: Look, if that's what you did, put it in your
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: statement and say, look, we investigated this and this guy
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: has some problematic views, our bad. This is a 29-year-old
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: who was about to start. That's a dream job for
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: a 43-year-old. To get that job at 29 is remarkable.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: And to have a voice of a WNBA team job
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: at 27, that's unbelievable. This guy is well ahead of
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: the curve here. And now he's being canceled. I thought
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: we were done with that.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know that we ever will as long as
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: we have records of people saying dumb things.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson has a job in the NFL making $ 50
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: million a year. This kid said some mean things when
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: he was 15 and can't call games for the Portland Trailblazers.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: Those two things are happening on the same day in
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: the same country in the professional sports landscape.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: That is silly.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: Bad deal, man.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: And listen, if it does come to light, what you said,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: it comes to light that Braden is still a piece
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: of crap that thinks in those ways that he thought
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: at 15 enough to post those things online, then I
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: retract everything I said.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: But we don't know that yet. Yeah, I want to
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: make sure I'm not defending the person. I am defending
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: or I am questioning the.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: It's the process. The thought process that leads to something
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: like this. And by the way, I need to make
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: it very, very clear, and some of you know why
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: I'm making this very, very clear. Actions when you are
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: 15 or 16 years old that are criminal, I think
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: probably should be adjudicated for several years relative to your opportunities.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: Words that you said 13.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: Years ago have a different place for me personally.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: I would agree with that as long as you can
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: ensure that that's not who you are anymore. We all,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: especially by the time you're a teenager and by the
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: time you're 30 years old, in Braden's case basically, you
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: do so much growth. You have so much you learn
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: about the world. You obviously, in most cases, are a
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: completely different person and have completely different thoughts about things.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: You know how we can tell that's usually the case?
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: Because there are very few adult goths walking around. Yeah.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: There was a lot when I was in high school, man.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: There was a ton.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: Adults don't shop at Hot Topic. They just don't.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: Not very often.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: Not very often. We've got to take a break here.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Lee Sterling is going to join us with his picks
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: for the weekend from Paramount Sports next. Paul Pugmire at
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: 1 o'clock. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: and 92.1 FM.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 6: This is the Sean O'Connell Show, your home of the
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: best inside of your youths. Let's get back to OC
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 6: from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Lee Sterling going
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: to hop on with us here today. us the picks
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: for the weekend. Really interesting games coming up in the
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: NFL and in college football. We went through some of
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: the college football slate. Big NFL weekend as well. Niners, Broncos,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of local fans give their love to one
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: or both of those teams. Chiefs, Raiders as well.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: Raiders.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: shockingly sitting at three and oh, so far this year,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: are they legit? We find out a little bit more
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: about them as they take on the Kansas city chiefs,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: Seahawks chargers, not a fun place for the chargers to
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: try to bounce back, but that's where it's at. We'll
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: take a look. Of course at BYU TCU. Also Lee
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: Sterling is the best in the business. He's on a
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: hot streak and he joins us once again. Hey Lee,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: welcome back.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: Well, thanks for having me. Uh, Long flight back from
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: Salt Lake City, but worked it all out. Hey, I
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: was watching three games on TV on Delta and had
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: my phone out with the Wi-Fi. Five games total, so
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: I almost felt like I was at home.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: That's fantastic.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: Lee, you should have stayed an extra week so you
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: could have taken in the UFC event this weekend.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, you don't think I tried to talk my wife
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: into it. She wasn't buying it, so I'll be back
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: for the summer. They always have some good local shows.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: You ever go to the local shows there?
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, we got a couple of guys from my
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: gym that fight on those, and then... The promoter hops
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: on with us a few times a year to talk
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: about his fights and UFC stuff.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, the local scene is still thriving. It's pretty fun.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll be there next summer for a couple weeks,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: so make sure we'll hit one of those together. All right?
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to your picks this week. I
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: want to start on the NFL.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Seahawks are seven-point favorites against the Chargers, who have so
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: far looked hapless and helpless. Can they get a bounce-back
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: win against the defending Super Bowl champs?
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: Well, obviously, you know, looks like the offense is almost
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: unhelpful right now. 14, 14, and 16 points with Mike
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: McDaniel as their offensive coordinator. But what was Jim Harbaugh doing?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: They're down by four with almost six minutes to go
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: with three timeouts going for it on fourth and ten.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: As soon as I saw them in the formation, I'm like,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: they're done. I still think Seattle needs another piece, maybe
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: a different running back. The kid Price is not ready
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: for prime time. Charvin will be coming back off the
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: injured lift soon, but I think Seattle, off that horrific
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: performance by their defense. Now, one of the touchdowns they
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: gave up was by the offense, but I think Seattle's
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: going to flex their muscles here. Seahawks 30-13.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: You can listen to that game right here on ESPN 700, 92.1 FM,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: your home of the Seattle Seahawks. I say that with
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: a bad taste in my mouth as a San Francisco
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: 49ers fan, but.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: That's the reality.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: All right, Niners, Broncos, a lot of fans for both
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: teams here in Salt Lake City. Geographic proximity, you know,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: guys that have gone from the local universities and excelled.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: at both of these professional franchises. And the Niners are
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: looking good so far. They are three-point favorites against the Broncos.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: How do you see it?
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: Well, the key for the Niners is they can't have
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: any more injuries. I mean, their wide receiver position, specifically,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: you know, if they get any more injuries, they're going
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: to be bringing guys up from the practice squad and
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: having to play them. But Brock Purdy is playing at
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: a really high level right now, and I like to
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: keep riding hot quarterbacks. Denver, I just don't think their
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: running game is good enough. J.K. Dobbins and R.J. Harvey,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: both are not the answer, in my opinion, in the
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: play calling. What were they doing inside the red zone?
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: They've got some problems there also, and they really have
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: only been good in the fourth quarter so far this year.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: I like San Francisco. I think they win in cover, 27-20.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: I like that as a Niners fan. Chiefs, Raiders, same
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: as I said before, a lot of Raiders fans here.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: A bunch of people jumped on the Chiefs bandwagon. Look,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: I think I've said this with you already over one
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: of these past couple of weeks.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: The Chiefs are surprising me.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: I thought at some point Father Time was going to
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: come and he was going to collect his tax, but
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs have stayed very relevant. They are four-and-a-half-point favorites
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: against a surprisingly undefeated Raiders team.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: I'm going to take a different approach here. Most people
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: will think, oh, okay, let's go with both head coaches.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: You know, great backgrounds, Kubiak and obviously Andy Reid and
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: calling plays. But I think both defenses have really improved here.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: Kansas City found a couple cornerbacks, one in the draft,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: one in free agency. I mean, they're playing like a
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: championship-level unit here, allowing 10 points or less in two
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: of the three games. And the Raiders, I thought everyone
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: talked about, like, their receiver position, offensive line quarterback. I
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: thought their worst position last year was their linebackers. What
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: did they do? Usually in free agency, tough to hit
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: on players, but they certainly got an A + +,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: bring in N'Kobe Dean from Philadelphia, brought in Quay Walker
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: from Green Bay. It's gone from their greatest weakness to their,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: I think, their biggest biggest strength here. I'm going to
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: go under here. I think this game is going to
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: be like 2017, 23, 17. I'm not sure who's going
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: to be leading and it's going to come down to
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: one drive. Why not just play the under 48 and
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: you don't have to worry about who wins the game
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: under 48. I think is the best way to approach
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: this game.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: All right. Taking the under rather than playing with the
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: four and a half point spread for Lee Sterling on
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: that chiefs Raider game. Into the college football, Rem, top
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: five versus top 15, you've got Ohio State against Iowa.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: And Iowa's the biggest overachiever from an NIL standpoint in
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: the Big Ten Conference. They continue to be relevant, longest standing,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: longest tenured head coach in all of college football. But
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: they find themselves big-time dogs against the Ohio State Buckeyes,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: 14 points in this one. Can they cover?
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: Just think about it. For 27 years, you could wake
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: up and it'd be the same offense pretty much for
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: Kirk for rent, doing the same thing. And they don't
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: get upset. I have a couple friends, Sean, who literally
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: live there and live– Their units look over the main
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: campus area, and what they'll tell you is they're fine
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: with it. They're fine with going 7-5, 8-4, and a
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: great year 9-3. But I think it's not going to
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  Speaker 4: last couple quarterbacks they have. Five touchdowns, no interceptions, but
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  Speaker 4: he's going to have to throw more. two or three
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  Speaker 4: touchdowns in this game if they want to even hang
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• 1:45:24
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  Speaker 4: best here, unless Iowa is plus two or plus three
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• 1:45:47
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  Speaker 4: cover here, 38-16.
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• 1:47:01
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  Speaker 1: Does BYU win on the road?
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  Speaker 4: I think you're being kind. Disappointing is one thing. They
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: just can't get it going here. Last year when they
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: played BYU, BYU's defense held them to 13 points. 298
• 1:47:18
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• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: And that was with Josh Hoover as the quarterback. Now
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: Harvard transfer quarterback, Jaden Craig is under center. He just
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: not getting the job done. He doesn't look comfortable at all. And, uh,
• 1:47:34
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• 1:47:38
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• 1:47:42
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• 1:47:46
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• 1:47:49
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  Speaker 4: I think BYU doubles up TCU here 35-17.
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  Speaker 2: Paul Pugmire is down in Ivins, Utah at the Black
• 1:48:56
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• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: check in on the Black Desert Championship down in Ivins,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: Utah at St. George area. This is one of the
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: courses that you start hearing people talk about a couple
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: years ago, really. You start hearing people talk about it
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: on the national front and these celebrities and these athletes
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: who've left the NBA or the NFL or major league
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: baseball or hockey. And they're just like, yeah, I want
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: to go golfing. Oh, in Utah, you're in, you're from Utah.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: Have you, have you golfed black desert yet? And I
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: always have to tell them no. And I feel sad
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: about it, but our conversation with Paul Pugmire brought to
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  Speaker 2: you by our friends over at you went to golf.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, Paul.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, how are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: Doing all right.
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  Speaker 1: How are things playing down there at the black desert championship?
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: It is so beautiful. It is an absolutely crystalline, perfect day.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: Not a cloud in the sky, not even a hint
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: of wind. Scoring conditions are just absolutely bonkers. People are
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: going low because they got a little rain that softened
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: up the course here a couple days ago. And so
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: balls are in the air, birdie putts are falling, and
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: it is a great time.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned people going low. We've seen as low
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: as a 62. I guess there's still some golf left
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: to play, but several 63s. Is it going to get
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: even lower than that, or are we going to be
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: stuck or happy with 62 as the low?
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  Speaker 5: Well, so far today, the lowest round today is a
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: minus 8 score, so that's 63. Um, the afternoon wave
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: is just getting on, getting started. They're getting out onto
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: the course now. So only half the field has finished
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 5: for the, for the day. Um, Our first-round leader, Zach Bauchu,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: who was on a great Oklahoma State University team that
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: included Victor Hovland and Matthew Wolfe. He was the leader
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: after the first day. He was just minus two today,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 5: so that puts him at minus 11. He's currently T4
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: as the afternoon wave gets going. And I think that
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 5: might be indicative of what we will see. Yeah, there's
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: going to be players going low still, but... It's going
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 5: to spread out, and the course is firming up. It's
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 5: baking the moisture out of the greens after the rain
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 5: a couple nights ago. So as the course gets firmer,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: scores are going to creep upward.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so the advantage on a Thursday and a Friday
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: was to be in that early wave, and now if
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: you're in this afternoon heat, so to speak, you should–
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: You're not going to get as friendly a greens is
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: what you're telling me.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly true. And you know, the way this
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: works on Thursday and Friday, each week at each tournament
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: on the PGA tour, um, the, the field will be
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 5: split in half and everybody in the field will get
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: a morning wave start. Everybody will get an afternoon wave start.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: Everybody will get a start on the number one tee.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: Everybody will get a start on the number 10 tee.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: So they mix it up so that everybody gets essentially
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 5: the same experience. But the reality is, if you are
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: on the side of the draw that favors the conditions
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: of the time, that can make a difference. And we
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: really see this. play itself out in situations like the
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: British Open, where weather can be such a big part
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: of the story. But here it is, if you're able
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: to get the greens when they're more receptive before they
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: bake out in the sun. And so far, it's shown
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 5: that that really mattered more yesterday than today.
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  Speaker 1: You're very familiar with this course.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: Do they change the whole layout significantly? When it's a
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: PGA Tour and you're putting your best foot forward and
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: maybe you want to make it as challenging as the
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: course possibly can be, do they do anything special down
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: there at Black Desert?
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 5: No, they don't, and the reason is this course was
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: set up to where the main feature of the course
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 5: is the black rock, and nobody's moving that. There's nothing
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 5: you can do with it. You can't grow it or
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 5: cut it down.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 7: It just is there.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: So interesting development of the experience with the Black Rock.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: The very first year this tournament was played three years ago,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: that week the field set an all-time PGA Tour record
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 5: for the most penalty shots by the field for the week.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: They had 202 penalty shots on the week. Well, people
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: learned from that, and they learned not to be getting
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 5: all jiggy with the black rock. Hit away from it.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: Don't try to hit hero shots because there's just no
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 5: joy to be had, no forgiveness at all in the rocks.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 5: And so the field is learning to hit away from it,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: and that's made a big difference in the scoring as well.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: Paul Pugmire is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: show talking about the PGA tour being here in Utah
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: at the black desert championship down in Ivan's. Uh, we
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: saw the projected cut line, uh, with scores going low,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: it's four under right now is the projected cut line. And, uh,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: Tony fee now, who's obviously a local favorite is just
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: under that, even though he's playing pretty well, he's through 17.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: It looks like, and two under for the day, uh, Potentially,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: unless he can have a miraculous 18, might miss the cut,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: even though he's under par.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 5: So Tony needs at least a birdie on 18. I
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 5: think he might need an eagle. 18 is a gettable
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 5: par 5. Now, there are ways to get sideways with
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: the hole.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 4: There always are.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: But Tony needs a strong finish on 18 to have
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: any chance of playing the weekend.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: What about the other guys, the sort of– Not just
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: local connections, but your favorites, the ones you had an
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: eye on saying, all right, I know this guy's playing
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: style and I know that this course matches up with it.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: Are you getting your expectations met when it comes to
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: who's near the top or within striking distance?
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 5: Let's talk about some of the local guys. First of all,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: there are 10 Utah players in the field, and they
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: got in through a variety of methods, including two Utah
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 5: players played themselves in on the Monday qualifier, which is
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: stupid hard. It's an absolute sprint. It's like running a
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 5: 100-yard dash fast. And there's no margin for any slight
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 5: little air, but both Carson Lundell and red Rasmussen Monday
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 5: their way in. But the, among the Utah players that
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 5: I really had my eye on, of course, you know,
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 5: Tony Finau, it's really cool that he's in the field
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: this year, Patrick Fishburne, a big hitter and a play
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 5: a player who really needs a good showing. But Zach
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 5: Blair is the one who really had my attention. because
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 5: two reasons. This is a course that sets up well
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 5: for his game that requires that you keep the ball
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 5: in front of you. And on grass, Zach is exceptionally
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: good at that. And the other thing is in the
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: first two planes of this tournament, this is the third
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: year Zach has made the cut each year. He's the
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 5: only Utah player to have done that, and so he's
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 5: already got a strong record here. Otherwise, for non-Utah players,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 5: this is really fun. I had my eye on Max
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 5: Homa coming in. First of all, Max is just so
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: easy to like, but again, a player who generally keeps
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 5: the ball in front of him, and I thought, gosh,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 5: his game might play real well here, and that's proving
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 5: to be the case. He's minus 9 through 36 holes.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 5: He was in the morning wave this morning. He is finished.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: And so he sits at T seven as we talk
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 5: through this and definitely making the weekend and he will
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: be within reach going into Saturday's round.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: Big picture. PGA being in Utah, obviously this state, whether
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: it's northern Utah, southern Utah, the Salt Lake Valley, getting
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: a little bit more attention nationally, more people moving here,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: growing from an economy standpoint, but the sports atmosphere in
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: Utah is with now an NHL team thriving, and they
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: just announced a UFL team, and Major League Baseball is
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: supposed to be coming. And look, Black Desert is not
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: the only great golf course in the state of Utah.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: Is the success of this tournament, or this tournament continuing
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: to be successful, is it going to bring more of
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: this to our state and to the sports culture in
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: our state?
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: It darn well could in no small part because there
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 5: are some really top-notch championship courses that are being developed.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 5: And interestingly, they're being developed by Reef Capital, which is
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 5: the group behind Black Desert. And so very clearly people
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 5: who know what the devil they're doing and have proved it.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 5: Having said that, whenever you're looking at bringing a tour
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 5: event to a facility of any kind, Yes, you look
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 5: at the course, and yes, we really focus on what's
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 5: inside the ropes. But it's what's outside the ropes that
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 5: can make a difference between the tournament being successful or not.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: The infrastructure that can support what comes with this traveling circus.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 5: And Black Desert is a resort course, and the resort
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 5: is right handy here on property. Really, you know, it's
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 5: got hotel rooms, top-end restaurants. It's got support facilities for
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 5: the families and the players. And so you look at
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 5: the big picture of what the facility has, and it
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 5: really meets up well with what's required when the PGA
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 5: Tour comes to town. And so that has to be
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 5: included in the calculation as well.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: Who's going to end up winning this thing, Paul?
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. What a great question. Um, I will
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 5: tell you right now, the one I am cheering for
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 5: there too, in particular, uh, and it's for personal reasons
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 5: right now in solo second is Kevin Streelman. And Kevin
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 5: has been a journeyman player on tour for several years.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 5: He's won two times, but he's 47 years old. He's
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 5: been on the tour for 20 some years. Um, getting
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 5: ready to play on the champions tour, of course, but
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 5: there he is solo second after two rounds, he's still
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 5: out there playing. He's got a couple of holes left. Um, but, uh, Streelman,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 5: it was announced last night at an event. I was
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 5: at the Streelman is now a member of Marcella, uh,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 5: by Jordan L in near park city. And Marcella, again,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 5: of course, it was developed by Reef Capital. So Strillman
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 5: is now a Utahan. He's moving to Utah. We're so
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 5: glad to have him. And then the other one is
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 5: Austin Smotherman. This one is personal to me. Austin Smotherman
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 5: is a former First Tee kid. He grew up being
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 5: in the First Tee in Sacramento. And so I love
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: it when the First Tee kids go out and do
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 5: big things and make noise.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: You love it. Enjoy the time down there. It's great
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: to see our home state being put on display. I
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: hope the scores continue to be low through the weekend.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe not this low, but it's sexy seeing these big numbers, right?
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: Like these minus 12s, minus 14s, minus 16s.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 5: It is. And it's a lot of fun and it's
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 5: fun to see players hit great shots and make birdies,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 5: but they, they, they have turned off the sprinkler system.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 5: There won't be any more of that this week. And
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 5: so it will, it will absolutely be the scores will
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 5: be inching up as this course firms up.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: All right, Paul, appreciate your time as always.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
• 2:02:00
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  Speaker 2: 877-353-0700. Time for the airing of grievances on the Sean
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  Speaker 2: O'Connell Show. Unburden yourself. Get whatever's bothering you off your chest,
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  Speaker 2: off your mind. Put it out there. Maybe you just
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  Speaker 2: need someone to hear what you're saying and validate your feelings.
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually a little nervous about this.
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  Speaker 2: I might be the one who deserves the grievance.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so, but.
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you what happened. I'm driving down to
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: the Utah Mammoth game last night.
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  Speaker 1: Very excited.
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  Speaker 2: We're meeting some friends, going on tickets, going as fans
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  Speaker 2: instead of on the press pass.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with my wife, okay? We drive down out of
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  Speaker 1: the avenues.
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  Speaker 2: We take North Temple down to the, whatever the proper
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  Speaker 2: name for that gigantic parking lot, Kitty Corner, to the
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  Speaker 2: northeast of the Delta Center is. Now, anyone who's parked
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  Speaker 2: there knows that the veteran move is you drive around
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  Speaker 2: it first, okay? If you have the time, you drive
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  Speaker 2: around the edges on the outside before you enter the
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  Speaker 2: parking lot because it's pay parking, right? But there's free
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  Speaker 2: parking on the street after normal business hours. After 6 p.m.,
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  Speaker 2: you can pull into any of those, and you're lucky
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  Speaker 2: if they're open, right?
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  Speaker 1: Most of the time they're not.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're cheap like me, if you're a spendthrift,
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  Speaker 2: then you got to at least check, right? So we're
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  Speaker 2: coming off North Temple onto the east side. And if
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  Speaker 2: you know the parking lot, you know that there's this
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  Speaker 2: one because they put in those bike lanes with the
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  Speaker 2: weird curbs that are like in the middle of the street.
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  Speaker 2: There's this one spot that's like directly in the middle,
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  Speaker 2: like the center of that expansive sidewalk. There's one spot
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  Speaker 2: that is just there.
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  Speaker 1: And there's no.
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  Speaker 2: You can't park a car in front of it. You
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  Speaker 2: can't park a car behind it. It is just lines
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  Speaker 2: painted like an island in the ocean. Okay? We make
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  Speaker 2: the turn onto the road to the east of that
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  Speaker 2: parking lot.
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  Speaker 5: And.
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  Speaker 2: simultaneously as I'm pulling onto that road, there's a guy
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  Speaker 2: in a truck. And if you're out there listening guy
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  Speaker 2: in the truck, I heard what you said, buddy. There's
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  Speaker 2: a guy in a truck who's backing out. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I'm, I have the right of way. I'm on the street.
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  Speaker 2: He's got to wait for me before he can back
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  Speaker 2: out of the parking lot. You're not supposed to back
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  Speaker 2: out of that parking lot. First of all, I have
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  Speaker 2: the right of way. I'm on the street.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going.
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  Speaker 2: I'm recognizing that that spot is there. This individual is
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  Speaker 2: backing out of the parking lot. Again, why are you
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  Speaker 2: backing out of the parking lot?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's not my business. Why are you backing out of
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  Speaker 2: the parking lot? However, I have right of way from
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  Speaker 2: a driver's standpoint, okay? So I go... And he knows
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  Speaker 2: I have right away. He stops and waits for me
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  Speaker 2: to go past him. I go into the spot, right?
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  Speaker 2: It's the last spot. It's the last free parking spot
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  Speaker 2: on the street.
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  Speaker 1: It's the only one. It's by itself. You can't park
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  Speaker 1: in front of it. You can't park behind it.
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  Speaker 2: It's not one of these situations where I didn't pull
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  Speaker 2: far enough forward. So there's no room behind or I
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  Speaker 2: didn't stay far enough back, right? I pulled past this
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  Speaker 2: person who had to wait for me to pull past.
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  Speaker 2: He's backing out of the parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: I go into this spot, right?
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  Speaker 4: I park.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, high five to my wife. I'm just like, amazing.
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  Speaker 2: How lucky are we that we found this spot? These
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  Speaker 2: spots are never open.
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  Speaker 5: Yay.
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  Speaker 2: We get out and the guy is like, hey, I
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  Speaker 2: was pulling in there. I was like, oh, sorry, man,
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  Speaker 2: you were backing out of the parking lot. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know you were pulling in here. You were backing out
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  Speaker 2: of the parking lot. He's like, I was going there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, well, I got the spot, sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, all right, well, sorry, you were backing
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  Speaker 2: out of the parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: So we parked. And he hits me with a double F-bombs.
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  Speaker 2: And I just laughed because you're not going to upset
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  Speaker 2: me with words.
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  Speaker 3: And what can you do at that point? You don't
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  Speaker 3: want to get into it even verbally in that situation.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the game. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: the game. We're already late to the game. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to the game.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: And he's just like, all right. And just started walking. Now,
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  Speaker 1: my wife is a very non-confrontational person.
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  Speaker 2: She is deeply, deeply uncomfortable with with the idea that
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  Speaker 2: you have inconvenience to anyone else.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so she's like, you shouldn't have done that. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking about? Taking the spot.
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  Speaker 2: Shouldn't have taken the spot. I'm like, we were the
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  Speaker 2: first ones to the spot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not like he was sitting there with a
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  Speaker 2: blinker on waiting for the spot.
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  Speaker 3: That was going to be my question. He didn't have
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  Speaker 3: his blinker on. It's like the universal dibs.
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  Speaker 2: No, he was, he was, he was in the, he
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  Speaker 2: was going into the parking lot from the East side entrance.
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  Speaker 2: And he, He had stopped and was backing out for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the reason is.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he doesn't realize that it cost $ 40 to park there, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So I pulled into the.
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  Speaker 2: Spot and then any like regret I may have felt
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  Speaker 2: for accidentally stealing and I'm throwing up the air quotes.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not stealing anything. It's up for grabs for taking
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  Speaker 2: the spot. Anything evaporates instantaneously. As soon as he escalates
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  Speaker 2: to like the foulest language he could use at me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And he wants a response from me and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to get him one. So I just laughed.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. And just kept walking. And my wife was like, no, you,
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  Speaker 2: we shouldn't have done that. I was like, what are
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  Speaker 2: you talking about? We just took a spot that was open.
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  Speaker 2: That's all we did. It's not his spot. He didn't,
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  Speaker 2: he was behind us in line.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't indicate that he was going to take that spot.
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  Speaker 3: He just, he thought, oh, that's open. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: take it. That like, you have no response. I don't think,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you need to, I don't think you
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  Speaker 3: need to feel like that's a grievance against you.
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  Speaker 1: I will say this. I have been guilty. Probably.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Grievance against me. I have been guilty of, I was
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  Speaker 1: one time.
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  Speaker 3: I was closest to an open spot, but another guy
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  Speaker 3: turned on their blinker first. I went ahead and took
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  Speaker 3: the spot anyway. Oh, they were really mad.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Now that thankfully all they did was honk and drive away.
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  Speaker 3: but I did not have a, have a confrontation like
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  Speaker 3: face to face. Like you did. I probably, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: would not have, but I was like, I was right there.
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  Speaker 3: You just turned it on like a second before I
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  Speaker 3: started pulling in. Well, look, there was no, what I
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  Speaker 3: kind of used to justify.
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  Speaker 2: And look, he was backing out. I didn't know why
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  Speaker 2: he was backing out of the parking lot. And then
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  Speaker 2: he told me I was going there. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, well, no way you could have known that
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  Speaker 2: I went there.
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  Speaker 1: We already parked.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And at that point, like I.
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  Speaker 2: Is, is the rule of common courtesy to just be like, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: if you had undeclared intent in your mind that you
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  Speaker 2: were going to park in that spot, it belongs to you.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: So if I was in his case and somebody was
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  Speaker 2: in front of me in line, so to speak, and
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  Speaker 2: they took the parking spot I wanted, I'd.
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  Speaker 1: Be like, God dang it.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted that spot. I wouldn't roll my window down
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  Speaker 2: and start dropping F bombs on people. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: public service announcement, sir, and anyone else who's prone to
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  Speaker 2: doing something like this, I know you wanted a confrontation,
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  Speaker 2: but here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want a confrontation with someone like me.
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  Speaker 2: It's a, it's a, the rule in today's society is
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  Speaker 2: sometimes you just have to move on because you never
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  Speaker 2: know what another person is like able to do.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He clearly didn't know that you were a former pro fighter,
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: but he doesn't need to know like that needs to
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  Speaker 3: be the assumption is I have no idea who this
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: person is.
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  Speaker 2: So I have no idea what I might do.
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  Speaker 1: As a knife. I don't know if this person has
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: a gun.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if this person is just a lunatic
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  Speaker 2: who's going to bite my nose off.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: It like I'm just like. You are trying to deliver
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  Speaker 2: me fighting words? You should not do that. Not just
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 1: You shouldn't do it to James. You shouldn't do it
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  Speaker 1: to any random person.
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  Speaker 2: You shouldn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know what I'm capable of, all right? You
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 3: don't know how high I can fly.
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  Speaker 4: So it was.
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  Speaker 2: grievance for me because ruined the whole first period because
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  Speaker 2: it became an argument between me and my wife where
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: she was like, you shouldn't have done that. I'm like, she,
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  Speaker 2: so for her, it's a grievance against you. I don't,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that it is. And I was just like,
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: for me, I'm like, that was not a rules violation there.
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  Speaker 1: And when he tried to escalate, I deescalated. So it's
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: a double.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. For me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: And so that was, that's my grievance.
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  Speaker 2: The entitlement to a parking spot that you don't... It's
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: a public parking spot. Knock it off. And I hope
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  Speaker 2: you're listening in your weird Toyota Tacoma with all the
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: camping accessories on it.
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  Speaker 1: Don't talk to people like that.
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  Speaker 3: That might be my favorite new bit of yours. You
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  Speaker 3: described the vehicle of the guy who flipped you off
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  Speaker 3: or who cursed you when you're on your bike.
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  Speaker 2: I think you need to always... Flippantly describe people's.
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  Speaker 1: Vehicles, wouldn't you?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I know what your vehicle looks like. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what your face looks like. I know what your voice
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  Speaker 2: sounds like. And I know you use words that you're
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: not supposed to use anymore that start with F.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I know that, sir. Naughty words.
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  Speaker 2: Naughty words.
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  Speaker 4: I could get you.
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  Speaker 2: Canceled, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: Shame, shame, shame. 877-353-0700.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: Here's a great grievance. Oh, Rick from Vernal.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 5: Brick.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: Brick Tamden. Is that you?
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Brick got you. Hey, I, I want to, I want
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: to share a grievance against slot.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: This isn't a personal thing about sly and Spence, but
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: every time they refer to Braden pagan, they call him
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: Brandon pagan and it's driving me nuts. but it's like,
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: it's not a Polynesian name. It's not a, it's just
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: a simple name, but they call him Brandon every time.
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  Speaker 7: And it drives me nuts.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pass that on my call.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pass that on.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: Spencer's going to be here in like five minutes. I'm
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: going to pass that on to him.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: He, he likes to listen to airing of grievances segments.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 3: So he, he probably just heard that brick and by
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: the way, brick calling from Vernal.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: I love that. Dinosaur land.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a ways out there for our signal
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  Speaker 3: to carry. Shout out to you guys out there in Vernal.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to the engineers for making sure the antenna
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  Speaker 2: is operating. Shout out to Vernal. Next time, Brick, bring
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: me an Allosaurus tooth, please. It's a valid grievance. It's
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: one of those things that.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 3: we'll have to see when we, when we bring it
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: to Spence's attention, if he didn't just hear it now,
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: he'll bring it to our attention.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: I wonder if it, if it's one of those things
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 3: that isn't going to be helped. Um, it's just, no,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 3: it has some kind of, some kind of tick or whatever.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: I see, I see something and I, it's just a
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: habit now to say it wrong.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: So, uh, There are some names that are similar to
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: other names. Now, the name Brendan also exists. Yeah, Brendan
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: and Brandon, that's a little more forgivable.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: Because then you could kind of fake it. No, I
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: was saying Brendan. It sounded like Brandon. Oh, I meant Brendan.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: You can get it right. Braden is Braden.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: It's Braden Pagan. All right.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: Here's a grievance.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: Grievance today.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: Uh-oh. Grievance today is about my wife. And it's hard
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: to admit that I'll ask her, what do you want
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: to eat? And she'll say, I don't care anywhere. Sounds good.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: So I picked my first choice thinking I made this easy.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: Then she says, I'm really not in the mood for that. Okay.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: No problem.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: I named another restaurant.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 6: Nope.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: Another one.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: This goes for the.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: Next 10 minutes until somehow named practically every restaurant in
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: Utah County. And then just when I'm ready to give up,
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: she goes, you know where I'd like to go. And
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: it's the one restaurant I somehow forgot to mention. My
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: grievance is simple. If you actually have a restaurant in mind,
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: please just tell me because I don't care. Apparently it
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: means I already know exactly where I want to go
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to make you guess. Very good.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: That yes. Very involved.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: We've all, everyone who's ever been in any kind of
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: friendship or relationship has had that exact experience.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: I don't care. What do you feel like eating?
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: How about tacos?
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 5: No.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: How about pizza?
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: How about sushi?
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 5: No.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: How about a burger?
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 5: No.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: How about a steak?
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: I've already named everything. You know what I really like?
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: Some pho.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: I want some pho from this one particular place. Oh,
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: so you do care and you care very much.
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: That's an all-timer. Thank you for some ramen.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, man.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: Very relatable.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 3: And I'll say this for anyone who's new to a relationship,
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 3: particularly with a woman, if they say they're not hungry.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: And so you only get something you can don't get
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: mad when they eat some of your food.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: That's just, that's just part of the deal. Uh, grievance
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: with commentators, nonsense during a broadcast. Looking at you, Joey Votto.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: Also Alec poem, get a haircut during the off season.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: A little group baseball grievances. All right.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: I feel like as far as Philly's hair goes, what
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 3: is it? Marsh that has the hair that looks like his,
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: he soaks it in a Marsh before every game, like
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: disgusting hair.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: Not Marsh. It's Reese Hopkins.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: Reese Hopkins. This is a baseball thing more than anything.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: What's the guy with the weird curly hair. It'll come
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: to me. It just, his name was just baseball. Baseball
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: hair is Dallas Braden.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 4: Crazy. Oh yeah.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: And the weird, just dude, you're on TV. Don't look
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: like you're a hacky sack professional. All right. 877-353-0700 to
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: air your grievances. Kurt Snedeker says my grievance is trying
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: to call a customer service number answered by an AI bot.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: And no matter how many times I say, and eventually scream,
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: please get me a human customer service rep. Keeps repeating
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: the same message over and over and over. Also having
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: a birdie putt and then tapping it in for bogey.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: That's a grievance. Look, I think I might have expressed
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: this one already.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: My favorite customer service tool that I've ever experienced, Delta
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: used to have a chat feature where you would just
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: text the problem you had and they would connect you
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: with a real person in a real place. and they could,
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: and they would have real conversation with you and they
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: replace that with an AI engine.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: And it is so vastly inferior.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: It, the gulf between the customer service you used to
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: get from the chat feature with real people and this
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: concierge robot is so far that it is It is
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: Mount Everest to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: It is terrible.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: And they're doing it to save costs, and they're doing
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: it because everyone's getting on this AI wave. And that
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: means people lost their jobs over it, too. So you
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: got an unhappy customer, and you got an unhappy employee.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: Not worth it.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: Grievance. Jay, my grievance is how crappy and BYU and
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: Utah fans are to each other. I think we're one
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: of the worst rivalries in the nation when it comes
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: to each other's fan base. It goes both ways. They're
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: just so obnoxious and ignorant to each other. It's ugly
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: and exhausting. Go Utes.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: Jay, thank you for the text. Just get off the internet.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: That's where it is. That's just what that's. It's only
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: on the internet.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: It's only the anonymity of the message boards and the
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: Twitters and the comment sections when Utah and BYU fans
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: are in the same place, talking to each other face
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: to face, or they're playing on the same church ball
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: team or they're at work together. There's banter back and forth,
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: and that's as far as it goes. The internet is
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: where it's ugly and gross and terrible.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: Well, and we can say this firsthand, because the old
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 3: sister station, ESPN The Fan, has Cougar Sports with Ben Criddle.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: And the producers there, not just Ben, they've grew up
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: BYU fans, and we have delightful conversations, even if not
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 3: some little playful banter.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. It's an internet problem.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: And also I can guarantee you it's probably not the
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 3: worst in that regard in the nation. Like there are,
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: that's just rivalry banter all over, over the nation, particularly
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: in college football.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: Grievance against me says, Derek, you don't really care about
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: the spot you can afford. If you could afford season
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: tickets to any sporting event, you can afford paid parking.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: Stop being so cheap. Absolutely not.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: No, if there's, if one of the street parking, take it, look,
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: Here's one thing. The richest people on planet earth still
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: love three free things. Okay. They love free parking. They
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: love free food and they love free t-shirts that, and
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: you're the perfect person to speak to that. Now, look,
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: I am not close to being the richest person, even
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: at the Delta center last night.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: But if I could afford season tickets, it's because I
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: worked for it.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 3: And maybe because you're saving money by not paying parking.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: I have three jobs. Okay.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to get the free parking when I want,
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: if I can.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: And guess what?
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: If I wasn't able to get that spot, I would
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: have pulled in and I would have parked and I'd
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: have been like, dang it.
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: I had to, I missed the free parking.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: I had to spend 40 bucks on parking, but I
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: would have also been like, I can handle it.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: It's a drop in the bucket because this night out
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: already costs.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: $ 800 when you're going to a hockey game. But guess what?
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: When I can get the free thing, including the free
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: food or the free t-shirt or the cool little commemorative
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: towel that says home opener. Yeah.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: I love free stuff. Did you get people way richer
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: than me?
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 4: Do too.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: You, you, you got there late.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 3: I saw the season ticket holders got the, they got
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 3: like hydro jugs.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: So you could, you could, this might be someone's grievance.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: You could buy a, an exclusive Utah mammoth hydro jug.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, it was like option to buy option to buy.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: Gotcha. And then they're refillable. You get a discount on
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: the refills all season long. Okay. Yeah. They've had that.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 1: For a while.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: It may have been a different brand. I think I,
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 3: I feel like this year was the first year I
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: saw hydro jug.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: And look, they were really cool looking. I got the
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: email about it option to buy, and then you could
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: pick it up there. There were people, James, who bought
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: 50 of them.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: I saw like probably to resell them.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: I saw, I saw like, I saw grandmas, like women
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 2: that looked like my mother carrying. I'm not exaggerating like
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: hefty garbage bags full of, they came in a box
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: and I counted one woman had 30.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: I counted.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: She was standing in line and they had free engraving
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: on them at the game last night. So people were
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: waiting in this line for hours. I saw the long line.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: I wondered what it was for. Cause they, it was like,
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like, they all have their hydro jokes. It must've
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: been the engraving line.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: It was to get the engraving.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: And look, Commemorative things like that, especially with a weird,
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: you know, we love our hydro flasks and our hydro
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: jugs and our water bottles, our water bottles. Like that's
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: a very Utah thing. I applaud you. But the demand
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: for those things was furious and intense. So did you,
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: you didn't end up getting one. We have so many
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: already have. Okay. So you can, if you're watching on YouTube,
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: like a Yeti sponsored the PFL and they would give
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: me one of.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: These at every show.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: I have like six of them because I stopped bringing
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: them home because my wife was like, please stop bringing
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: these water bottles on.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: We have too many. That should be for them.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 3: We do the white elephant Christmas time. We do the
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: Yankee swap thing for Christmas party here. You should just
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 3: give away like here, PFL. People be like, I don't
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 3: know who.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: This is from.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 3: The only guy who works with PFL, um, Yeah, grievance,
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: and listen, maybe these wonderful, no doubt wonderful old ladies
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 3: that are collecting, that were buying so many of these,
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 3: maybe it's for their grandchildren and their children as gifts, okay?
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: I will leave room for that.
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: But I will say this, I think all of us know,
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: and it's not just old, it's not old women, it's
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 3: a lot of people that will do this. They'll buy
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 3: things that they know will be in demand, that they
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 3: have special access to, And then they'll jack up the
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 3: price so they can make a profit off it.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: Grievance against that? Did you make that thing?
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: Then why should you profit off of it? You can't
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: have a grievance against the free market economy, James.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: No, grievance against that part of it.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: Sorry, you can't. Sorry, it's supply and demand.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: I'm still airing that. Wealth of nations. Let's go.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 3: Not for that particular thing. Like, make your own thing
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 3: and then sell it.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: How about that?
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: So your grievance is against.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: grandmotherly types who don't own manufacturing facilities.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 3: My grievance is against people who think that they own
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 3: that thing.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: Like when they buy that for yourself, when they, when
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: they buy it, they give it away to somebody.
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: They do own it.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: That's how it works.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: But that's ridiculous. Please stop.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: It's supply and demand. So, so here's where.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 3: It's the worst thing when it's like at a, we'll
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 3: say like a TJ Maxx where they only have a
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 3: finite amount of those, of those things in the store
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 3: at a limited time. And then someone buys all those
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 3: because they're going to make a profit off of resale
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 3: that off the resale market. And then someone who's like,
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 3: I just want one for myself. They're all gone because
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 3: you're being a piece of crap.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 4: Stop. No. Great.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: It's with you calling someone a piece of crap because
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: they're using the free market economy in their favor. It's
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: called a hustle, James. This is how like the entire
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: third world works. People buy stuff, and then they resell
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: it for a profit. It's just the way things are.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: I don't like it.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: Okay. And you can disagree. That's fine.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: Whatever happened to bus stop benches? No one can sit
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 2: and wait for the next bus.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: What is that? That's the grievance?
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't know.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: There's no more bus stop benches?
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's not at every bus stop in the Salt
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 3: Lake area, but I feel like I've seen some.
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: Grievance against this flu bug in particular because parents who
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: send their kids to school with it. My son went
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: to the school last week and came home with the
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: flu and has been out all week. It's slowly been
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: running through our house, affecting his sister, me, now his mom.
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: And we know he got it from school because parents,
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: instead of leaving their kids home from school, send their
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: kids to school sick. This one's a tough one for
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: me because, guys, I'm not exaggerating. I never stayed home
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: from school sick, ever. Not, I didn't, it's not that
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't ever get sick. I went to school. I probably,
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: I think in elementary school, I missed like a total
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: over the six years of elementary school. I think I
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: missed the total of like four days. I was always
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: at school. My kids, not so much when they're sick,
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: we keep them home.
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 1: But I.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: Don't know. Is it, it sucks when your kid gets sick,
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: but like you, you can't bubble wrap your kid. You
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 2: can't not send them to school. You can't not send
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: them to the birthday party. You can't not let them
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: go to their baseball game. They're going to get sick.
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 2: That's just, unfortunately like kids are little germ vectors.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 3: Think this has become more of a thing for adults
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 3: at work too. Like if I, I'm hard, thankfully I'm
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 3: hardly ever like really, really sick, but I like, I
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 3: go to work sick all the time. Like, Maybe that's
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 3: wrong for me to admit post COVID, but like, like I'm,
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 3: if I've got a cold, I'm working through that.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: I got to work.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 3: If I like, there's certain things, if I got a
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 3: high fever or something and whatever, but like, there's so
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 3: many things that I'm like, I, I could have missed
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 3: every time I felt this like this, I could have
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 3: missed like hundreds of days of work of past few
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: years through this. It feels like there's, it feels like
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 3: I've noticed that's been more of a thing where people
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 3: were like, ah, sniffle. Got to stay home. I don't
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: know about that. And it applies to kids at school, too.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 3: It seems like it's a lot more prevalent.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: Jared says, grievance, listening to radio hosts shilling for billionaires
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: to take my hard earned money so they can enrich themselves.
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 2: And no, there's not an economic boon from these stadiums
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: and tax money is never recuperated.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: Grievance accepted. Also grievance back on you.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: If you think that a sports talk radio host is
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: not going to want more sports teams in the market,
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: you're outside of your mind. Sorry.
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: Listen, we get two things can be true.
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: We can not like that public money is going towards
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: the building of stadiums and we can in arenas and
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: we can also want the sports team in the new
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: arena and stadium. I think what we can say is
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: that we hope it's the Miller group that gets the
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 2: baseball bid because they've pledged a bunch of their own
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 2: private money. I believe it's the same amount of public
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: money though. It wasn't a $ 900 million bond either way.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 3: Hockey and baseball. So yeah, but, but yeah. It's unfortunately
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 3: the way things are. And I say, I mean, unfortunately,
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 3: because it's not, I don't think it's a good thing,
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 3: but also.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: We could get a major league baseball team. All right,
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: keep your grievances coming.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: We'll air a couple more before we close it out.
• 2:28:44
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd like to thank Brick for taking a break
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 8: from his shift selling corn dogs at Dinosaur Land or
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 8: farming alfalfa in Vernal. It's just good to know our
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 8: listeners are liars to call in and lie about me.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 8: I've never called him Brandon Pagan.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: I can confirm you say it every time. And now
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: you're lying. Here's how I know. We're going to have
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: to get the tape. Yeah, luckily there's tape, but I'll
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 1: tell you how I know.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 8: So the cool thing about YouTube podcasts these days is
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 8: you can find information on pretty much everything, right? Like
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 8: back in the day, You didn't, I'll give you for,
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 8: I'll give you, for instance, I'll just tell you exactly
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 8: what happened. So before the Iowa state game, I'm like,
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 8: I need to learn a little bit more about Iowa state,
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 8: pull up YouTube, do like a big 12 football preview search,
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 8: land on some random video. And as soon as I
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 8: hear somebody call someone the wrong name or badly botching name,
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 8: I'm like, he doesn't even watch. I'll give you, for instance,
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 8: our guy, Josh Pate, friend of the show live in studio.
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 8: For some reason, Josh cannot land on Devin Dampier. It's Devon, still,
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 8: like last week. So I fire up this Big 12 preview,
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 8: and he calls Brayden Pagan, Brandon Pagan, 0 for 2.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 8: And I'm like, I'm not watching this anymore. So because
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 8: I recognize somebody saying the wrong name, Brick, from Vernal,
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 8: I can tell you that I.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Sly did.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 8: I'm going to go back and listen to the interview tonight,
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 8: and we'll see if somebody said Brandon Pagan.
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 1: It's Braden Pagan. He's a very good player.
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: That's a very good correction by you, saying it right.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding. I will say that Sly says
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 1: it wrong.
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  Speaker 3: As the guy who produced the Utah football broadcast, he
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 3: says it wrong every time on the Utah football.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Now, there are some people whose inability to pronounce
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: names becomes an endearing trait.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's what Sly's going for here.
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 8: Well, and I can tell you that I get names
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 8: wrong all the time. And there's nothing worse than trying
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 8: to deal with the RSL stuff. Because every time Trey
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 8: sends a release, I'm like, dude, how do you pronounce?
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't.
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 8: There's a center back they signed from Canada. It's like
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 8: Luke Day Fissure Roll or something. So working on it.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 8: I do have to say, first of all, it's such
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 8: good radio. The airing of grievances is such excellent radio.
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 8: The guy, the guy who sent the grievance about his wife.
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: Like, hey, what do you want to eat? Oh, I
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: don't care. Well, I don't want to eat that. I
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: don't want to go there. That, bro, I feel you.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: I feel you, dog. It's wild grievance.
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  Speaker 8: And I don't want to come across as painting all
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 8: women like this.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: You almost certainly will, but keep going.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 8: You can't make certain decisions to put yourself in a
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 8: spot and then complain about the spot that your decisions
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 8: put you in.
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  Speaker 1: Can I give you an example? It sounds like you're
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 1: going to.
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  Speaker 2: Do you mind? Yeah, no, I like it.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, so I was dating someone, and I made three
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 8: separate plans on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, because she asked me
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 8: to take the lead.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: You're the male.
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: You should take the lead. Like, all right, well, is
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: there anything you'd like to do?
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 2: No, I don't care.
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 1: Just put it together.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 1: Movie one night, dinner the next night. I'm making dinner
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: the next night.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 8: She tapped out of all three things and then sent
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 8: a long text complaining about how she's alone all weekend.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: Like, you chose to be alone all weekend. You can't
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 1: choose to be alone and then complain about being alone.
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: I think there's a book about this. It's called She's
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 1: Just Not That Into You. Well, I mean, there are
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of issues there.
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 8: So the point is, do not make decisions to put
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 8: yourself in a certain position and then complain about the
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 8: position you're in as a result of your very own
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 8: decision-making process.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: I will be fair, because there's been more than one
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: instance where... I have thought I didn't care where we ate.
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 2: And they're like, I don't care. Where do you want
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: to go?
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 1: And then it's just like, I want to go to Chick-fil-A.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't. I don't want to go there.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 2: So I've been guilty of that, too. Yeah, but you
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 2: just can't complain about it.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 2: That's all.
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 1: Did you hear my parking story?
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 8: I got in the car just in time to hear
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 8: Brick the Liar calling in the show.
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 2: Love you, Brick.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 1: I have to share the story again.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 1: Hold on.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: You know, there's that parking lot kitty corner northeast of
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: the Delta Center.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 2: The big parking lot. You know, there's street parking all
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 2: around it on every curb around it.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 2: So the cheap man's move, and I'm the cheap man,
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 2: is you drive around before you go to the west
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 2: side entrance so you can see if you're lucky enough
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 2: to snag one of the street parking spots.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: I was lucky enough to snag a street parking spot,
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: and some guy who was behind me had decided that
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: that was his spot.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 2: And so when I pulled in and we got out
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 2: of the car, he's like, I was going there. I
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 2: was like, you were backing out of the parking lot.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: And he hit me with like the double F bomb.
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: And I was like, okay. Just laughed.
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 2: And then it became an argument with my wife because
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: she's like, why'd you do that?
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 1: Why'd you take his spot? I'm like, it's not his spot.
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: He's behind me, behind us. She took his side.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: Which is a me problem. But I was like, wait,
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 2: am I... Cause he was, it was like, he was
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: in front of where I was, but I, I pulled
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 2: past him cause he was backing out of the parking lot.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 2: So like he, cause I have right away, he had
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 2: to wait for me to back out of the parking
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: lot and then he was behind me and then I
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 2: pulled into the spot and he's like, that was my spot.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 8: I was like, I don't think this is, no, it's not.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 8: Do you respect to Kendall? I think you're in the right.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 8: I think you were, it's, it sounds like you, you,
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 8: you did what most everyone would have done. Okay. I,
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 8: let me offer this pushback. And I have changed my
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 8: take here, okay? When we used to drive into the
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 8: city to see, like, the Knicks play or the Rangers play,
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 8: large family, suburban usually.
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 8: You know, we could park at the garden, but if
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 8: we were going somewhere else for, like, dinner or a
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 8: play or something.
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 2: Flex, by the way. We could park at the garden.
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I'm not going to pretend we had
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 8: to pay at the garden where my father was running
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 8: the thing.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 8: I want you to guess how much it costs to
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 8: park a Suburban in Midtown Manhattan at one of like
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 8: the three level parking spots for about four hours.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 1: $ 100.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: $ 320.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 8: So when I came, when I moved out here and
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 8: we would go to like a game or a concert,
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 8: I'd be like, it's 20 bucks. Pull in right there.
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 8: We're parking right here. And now I'm more like you
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 8: where I'm like, dude, I'm not paying for parking. I'm
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 8: going to, By the way, I do have a secret
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 8: spot downtown. I have to be careful who I share
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 8: this with. It claims that you're not allowed to park there.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 1: You can park there for two years. They won't do
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 1: anything to your car. I'll share it with you during
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 1: the break.
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 1: I knew you would. That's what I'm looking for.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 2: Free parking.
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 1: I want to be clear, Brick.
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 8: I'm completely playing with you.
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 1: No part of me is upset. Thanks for the call.
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 1: And by the way, Vernal, underrated spot.
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: Vernal's great. Lovely people.
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 1: Beautiful people. Lovely people. Shout out, Vernal. There's a camera
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 1: on you right now. What? It's the Sean O'Connell show
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 1: wrapping up. Everybody have a great weekend. Stay tuned for
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: the drive.
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: ESPN 700, 92 on FM.