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Stop Making ‘Pretty’ Videos! The Strategy That Landed a $30K Deal · Studio B Sessions

• 0:04
  Vipul Bindra: Anthony, my friend, thank you for taking time coming out to talk to me.
• 0:08
  Vipul Bindra: Um, you know, it's always an incredible pleasure and, like I've said many times on this podcast and to you, we have such incredible conversations, um, and all I wanted to do for years was just record them and let people listen to it, because there's so much knowledge.
• 0:22
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, there's a lot of fun, but there's a lot of knowledge in it and I know it would have helped me, uh, in the past, and it still helps me now.
• 0:29
  Vipul Bindra: So if anyone can benefit from it plus, you know, or at least get some entertainment on a long drive or flight, why not, right?
• 0:34
  Vipul Bindra: hopefully it's entertaining I hope so I don't know, uh, but yo, how have you been, how's everything been?
• 0:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: man, it's been good.
• 0:43
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, 2024 has been the most wild year for my business how do you say?
• 0:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: That.
• 0:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: So it's been.
• 0:51
  Vipul Bindra: Wow, there's a crazy noise gate I know, yeah, yeah, I like talking like yeah.
• 0:56
  Vipul Bindra: So sorry, we're going auto on season one.
• 0:58
  Vipul Bindra: If this goes well, we'll get a producer you bring like filmmakers on here.
• 1:02
  Anthony Rodriguez: They're like I noticed that noise gate is really strong.
• 1:05
  Anthony Rodriguez: Exactly nobody would ever say that we are working professionals there's no, we're not peddling anything.
• 1:11
  Vipul Bindra: There's nothing to gain here.
• 1:13
  Vipul Bindra: This is free knowledge, but yes, if it does work out, we can have a producer season two until they're sponsors yes, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:19
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, as long as there's no conflict of interest, I want to to give no courses, no courses.
• 1:24
  Vipul Bindra: We're saying free knowledge here.
• 1:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: So, yeah, no, 2024 was crazy for me because I did start this as an artist, you know.
• 1:33
  Anthony Rodriguez: So for me it was just a lot of like making the coolest videos, most cinematic looking things, and I think I've pretty much achieved that.
• 1:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: You know, I like the way my videos look.
• 1:43
  Anthony Rodriguez: I, yeah, I would look at other people's work and be like man, I wish it looked like that, and now my, my work does look like that, which is crazy.
• 1:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: Obviously, a lot of practice, a lot of trial and error.
• 1:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: But in 2024, my mindset I think the actually the end of 2023, my mindset shifted from making cool videos, higher production, charging a lot of money because the videos are good, to charging because I'm making my clients more money.
• 2:15
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 2:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: So it turned into like strategy and like figuring out social media and marketing and running ads and all of that.
• 2:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: So it was pretty cool.
• 2:23
  Anthony Rodriguez: That's awesome.
• 2:23
  Anthony Rodriguez: I think it was your best year.
• 2:24
  Vipul Bindra: Cool, that's awesome.
• 2:24
  Vipul Bindra: I think it was your best year.
• 2:26
  Vipul Bindra: You're obviously beyond six figures.
• 2:28
  Vipul Bindra: You're doing really good, yeah, right.
• 2:30
  Vipul Bindra: And so, um, let's break it down right.
• 2:32
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, you brought to where I wanted to be, so how were you able to charge your clients uh, more in 2024?
• 2:39
  Vipul Bindra: Like, what did you have to say or do, um in your meetings or whatever in your process to be able to charge higher prices?
• 2:46
  Vipul Bindra: Because that's what most filmmakers are trying to do yeah, it was funny.
• 2:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: You mentioned that.
• 2:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: That's like, probably my biggest message is like charge more and like the things.
• 2:56
  Anthony Rodriguez: When I talk to my filmmaker friends like, bro, just charge more money, dude, like your, your margins, but the reason why I was actually charging a lot prior anyways, and that's just because of quality and all of that which a lot of production companies, they sell, quality, that's just like what you do, like.
• 3:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm really good at videos, so like, and I make good ones, so give me your money.
• 3:20
  Vipul Bindra: But that's what we've been saying on this podcast.
• 3:22
  Vipul Bindra: I've had multiple people who are like stop selling.
• 3:25
  Vipul Bindra: You know not that quality doesn't matter, like you said it doesn't matter you have to have your craft be good or hire people whose craft is good.
• 3:32
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but at the end of the day, clients at least business clients, the people that we work with, corporate and commercial clients for them it's not about quality.
• 3:40
  Vipul Bindra: Most of them don't even care what camera you bring.
• 3:42
  Vipul Bindra: Probably they care about the size.
• 3:43
  Vipul Bindra: Size, but they don't care about you know like what camera it is.
• 3:46
  Vipul Bindra: It's the size yeah.
• 3:47
  Vipul Bindra: And that's just because they've seen, you know, tv crews with big cameras, not that they obviously small, middle-less cameras have come along.
• 3:54
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 3:56
  Vipul Bindra: But at the end of the day, they care about its ROI, their money, what they're going to make out of it.
• 4:00
  Vipul Bindra: Right, and as soon as you figure that out and you stop selling good looking videos you should already be making good looking videos.
• 4:08
  Vipul Bindra: As soon as you start selling them, a better result, right, you, you can just start charging more and they'll happily pay it yeah at the end they, they're, they're just looking at a, at an roi factor.
• 4:16
  Vipul Bindra: It doesn't matter what they pay, as long as they get their money back yeah, well, for me it was weird.
• 4:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: I had this like turning point, because I would see people whose videos were not as good and I'm like how on earth are they able to charge this?
• 4:33
  Vipul Bindra: much money.
• 4:33
  Vipul Bindra: Like how on earth are they able to do this?
• 4:35
  Anthony Rodriguez: probably you think getting roi to their clients is that it oh 100 and their videos suck, but they, like, they're strategic and they have repeat clients.
• 4:44
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm like, how does that keep happening?
• 4:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, like, how do they keep getting clients?
• 4:47
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, um, so for me, that that was the shift.
• 4:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: I started talking to my clients.
• 4:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: Honestly, this was kind of crazy.
• 4:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I had a mentor I still have a mentor, he's still my mentor but, um, he tried shifting my mindset after one meeting and then, right after that meeting, I ended up closing a 30K deal.
• 5:10
  Anthony Rodriguez: Look at that which I've never closed a 30K deal before.
• 5:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: So for me it was like whoa, and it was solely based off of I need to know your number.
• 5:20
  Anthony Rodriguez: I had just asked a ton of questions.
• 5:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: So the client knew that I cared.
• 5:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: I didn't fully know how to help them, yeah, but well, I did well, that's part of the process, right?
• 5:30
  Anthony Rodriguez: yeah, figuring it out, uh yeah and I did know how to help them, mostly because it's like what I do yeah, like literally what I do but, um, like, and that's like what I've done my whole life, like just selling, buying and selling and marketing myself, and I just never done it for other people that much besides making cool videos.
• 5:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: So, um, yeah, even just that mindset.
• 5:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: I remember that that specific client was like hey, we had, uh, we were looking at a ton of different people and normally I hear, oh, we hired you because your colors, your colors are great, your videos, whatever.
• 6:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: And they said we hired you because we know that you really care and you asked us questions that no other of the 10 different, 15 different production companies that we talked to asked us as many questions about our company as you did.
• 6:17
  Anthony Rodriguez: Look at that and he's like a lot of them were cheaper than you.
• 6:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: Production companies that we talked to, uh, asked us as many questions about our company as you did.
• 6:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: Look at that and they had he's like a lot of them were, uh, cheaper than you.
• 6:28
  Anthony Rodriguez: You weren't here.
• 6:30
  Anthony Rodriguez: The one of the more expensive ones, and one of them was they had a led wall.
• 6:34
  Anthony Rodriguez: Look at that Like they had a whole video wall they were going to do this whole virtual production thing and I Well, it doesn't matter does it.
• 6:43
  Vipul Bindra: At the end, you got the client and they chose you after reading a bunch of other people and I think you're saying it perfectly Like what I would say is this you care?
• 6:53
  Vipul Bindra: It's simple.
• 6:54
  Vipul Bindra: I know sometimes and obviously there's extensive business analytics and strategies that we can go into, but at the core of it all, it's just be good Care, make good content and think people, people will get results and if they get results, they'll come back and then they'll tell their friends and you'll get more and more money yeah and and then the other thing I wanted to talk a touch a little bit on.
• 7:17
  Vipul Bindra: You brought a great point and you know you look at other people's content and I've said this before.
• 7:21
  Vipul Bindra: You know you people can get envious, like, oh, their content either is really good I don't know if I can ever make it or b it's it's bad like I know I can make 10x better.
• 7:31
  Vipul Bindra: And you know you get into that rut of them but you're not actually out there getting clients.
• 7:35
  Vipul Bindra: Just know that you don't know the circumstance they were in.
• 7:38
  Vipul Bindra: I've had clients go okay, we'll have 30 minutes for setup, which is is already too low.
• 7:43
  Vipul Bindra: And then you show up they're like, oh, the CEO is here and he's leaving in five minutes.
• 7:48
  Vipul Bindra: So it's like, oh, so you don't have any time.
• 7:50
  Vipul Bindra: You either get the content or you don't get the content.
• 7:53
  Vipul Bindra: So you may not know the other side.
• 7:55
  Vipul Bindra: And you look at the content and go, oh, that sucked, but you didn't know the circumstances that the content was got in.
• 8:06
  Vipul Bindra: So what I'm saying is, rather than worrying about other people's content, just make your content good and you, and if your content is actually better, you'll get more work and especially if you care like you did.
• 8:14
  Vipul Bindra: So talk me to be about that 30 grand client.
• 8:17
  Vipul Bindra: Um, yeah, because that sounds incredible.
• 8:19
  Vipul Bindra: By the way, that's what everyone's looking, that's the type of clients I'm chasing too.
• 8:22
  Vipul Bindra: Uh.
• 8:23
  Vipul Bindra: So what were the deliverables?
• 8:25
  Vipul Bindra: Did they come with a?
• 8:26
  Vipul Bindra: Did they already know what the deliverables they want?
• 8:29
  Vipul Bindra: Sounds like no.
• 8:30
  Vipul Bindra: You had to figure that out.
• 8:32
  Vipul Bindra: So what were the deliverables?
• 8:34
  Anthony Rodriguez: And yeah, talk to us talk to us a little more.
• 8:36
  Anthony Rodriguez: So this was interesting.
• 8:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: It started off as like this whole thing.
• 8:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: They came there like, oh, we, this whole thing.
• 8:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: They came there like, oh, we want to be on retainer.
• 8:44
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh, that's great.
• 8:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: They ended up not.
• 8:46
  Anthony Rodriguez: This is funny.
• 8:50
  Vipul Bindra: Not funny.
• 8:50
  Vipul Bindra: This is kind of sad.
• 8:51
  Vipul Bindra: That was a good emotional rollercoaster.
• 8:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's funny.
• 8:56
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's a little sad, because they were supposed to be a long-term client and they just didn't really know what they wanted.
• 9:03
  Anthony Rodriguez: That's okay, I'm still following up.
• 9:04
  Anthony Rodriguez: I believe that they're gonna still come back to me and they were happy with the content.
• 9:09
  Anthony Rodriguez: They haven't hired anybody else, but this was a larger project to get their pillar pieces of content, which is like who we are videos, what we offer.
• 9:16
  Anthony Rodriguez: Um, it was like three separate days of shooting.
• 9:20
  Anthony Rodriguez: Um, it's some like banner videos because they do a lot of trade shows.
• 9:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: So here's the thing when I ask them questions about their business, I want to know okay, where is the majority of your profit coming from Not profit revenue coming from, where are you getting the most sales?
• 9:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: And they said word of mouth, trade shows.
• 9:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: And I was like, wait, no, okay, you're like a multi-million dollar company yeah, why the?
• 9:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: heck.
• 9:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: Is it just word of mouth?
• 9:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: And trade shows like it.
• 9:51
  Anthony Rodriguez: 100 should not be.
• 9:53
  Anthony Rodriguez: This is, this is I don't.
• 9:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't want to sound like arrogant or or even ignorant to the situation, but like even knowing their niche.
• 10:01
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm like.
• 10:01
  Anthony Rodriguez: I've definitely seen ads related to this, you know so I was trying to get them on that and a couple different things.
• 10:07
  Anthony Rodriguez: So what we ended up doing was building their social media more so that, when, uh, they sell to schools, all these other different entities like doctors, all these places, and we built what we're, what we were going to build their social media.
• 10:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: I said we built, we were going to build their social media and we ended up just getting a couple pieces of content in the end.
• 10:33
  Anthony Rodriguez: I mean, I still got paid, but do you ever have that situation where it's like a client pays you and then they don't even get the full package that they paid for?
• 10:45
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, I've had that happen so I don't want to name them, but you know this client funny enough.
• 10:50
  Vipul Bindra: Remember that project you helped me on, yeah, yeah yeah, so we did incredible work.
• 10:54
  Vipul Bindra: So funny enough again talking my style.
• 10:57
  Vipul Bindra: So you know I always bring extra.
• 10:58
  Vipul Bindra: So I promised them you weren't part of the package, right?
• 11:01
  Vipul Bindra: I promised them like three people, four cameras, whatever, whatever the package, and I always bring extra.
• 11:06
  Vipul Bindra: Plus, we had been talking about this Ronin 4D and I'm like I really want to try it especially for crowd shots.
• 11:12
  Vipul Bindra: It'd be incredible Anyway.
• 11:13
  Vipul Bindra: So you helped me on that project and we went above and beyond.
• 11:16
  Vipul Bindra: The funny thing is, the project requirements were record a speech, right, a live speech, a live event speech.
• 11:25
  Vipul Bindra: So we're just a video part.
• 11:27
  Vipul Bindra: We have nothing to do with, you know, production aspect of it Anyway.
• 11:30
  Vipul Bindra: So I did that and I made it happen.
• 11:32
  Vipul Bindra: You were there.
• 11:33
  Vipul Bindra: I think we killed it all.
• 11:35
  Vipul Bindra: Funny enough, midway through or some point, you know, the person who's speaking got their pocket out and you know, like, inside out from their suit, jacket, and obviously we knew that.
• 11:46
  Vipul Bindra: We, I noticed that at least and maybe camera operators not because we get so hyper focused on framing and color, you know all that anyway.
• 11:53
  Vipul Bindra: But there's nothing we can do.
• 11:55
  Vipul Bindra: There's three, four hundred people watching I I'm not going to interrupt a person who's in a zone getting, because that's far more important than what we're doing, as far as I know, but anyway, they were, uh, they, once they got the video, they're like this is incredible and obviously I knew that there's no way to hide it.
• 12:11
  Vipul Bindra: You know, like we have to have wide shots anyway.
• 12:13
  Vipul Bindra: Point is, um, and then, funny enough, they didn't even notice it and then two days later, whatever, some client was like, hey, what happened to your pocket?
• 12:21
  Vipul Bindra: That was it.
• 12:21
  Vipul Bindra: And then they were like we can't use this piece of content anymore.
• 12:24
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, come on, I mean I get it.
• 12:26
  Vipul Bindra: I get it At the same time, you have a brand perception.
• 12:29
  Vipul Bindra: But on the other side.
• 12:30
  Vipul Bindra: You know it'll never be perfect, especially if it's live, because if you want to be perfect, we can do it.
• 12:35
  Vipul Bindra: We do it all the time.
• 12:47
  Vipul Bindra: You know that that, yeah, we can't do that.
• 12:50
  Vipul Bindra: The point is, we filled the requirements it just wasn't it was an external factor that affected the, the end product.
• 12:57
  Vipul Bindra: But yes, so it has happened where we all that effort, obviously we got paid, so I'm not complaining, yeah, but at the end of the day, them not being able to use the content kind of hurts.
• 13:08
  Vipul Bindra: As a creative person, I'm like come on, we put a lot of effort into it and they can, they could have gotten huge business out of that because that was the goal of the company.
• 13:16
  Vipul Bindra: But yeah, so that's kind of annoying, right, when that happens.
• 13:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: Dude, we didn't even make the content.
• 13:20
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh really the content?
• 13:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh really, yeah, they didn't even.
• 13:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: Did you get any deliverables to?
• 13:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: Them, yes, yes yes, so banner videos um, so you got majority of the content.
• 13:28
  Vipul Bindra: No, not even a majority majority.
• 13:30
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, so what did you end up delivering for 30k?
• 13:33
  Anthony Rodriguez: so it was, uh, banner videos, some tutorial setup videos, um, and then I ended up just giving them the raw footage because they asked for it.
• 13:43
  Anthony Rodriguez: Okay, and here's the thing.
• 13:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: Normally that's like a red flag for me, cause I'm like all right, they're going to.
• 13:48
  Anthony Rodriguez: They don't like the editing style, they're going to get someone else to edit and stuff.
• 13:51
  Anthony Rodriguez: They never edited it.
• 13:53
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, never did anything.
• 13:54
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, and for the right price.
• 13:56
  Vipul Bindra: I mean it depends.
• 14:05
  Anthony Rodriguez: It sounds like I was like you can have it.
• 14:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: I was like you could take it all.
• 14:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: No, that was an interesting client.
• 14:07
  Anthony Rodriguez: But going back to the original question, that was what changed.
• 14:13
  Anthony Rodriguez: I asked a lot of questions.
• 14:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: I cared about my clients.
• 14:16
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's not that I didn't care before.
• 14:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's just that.
• 14:20
  Anthony Rodriguez: Now I cared about the reason why they came to me.
• 14:23
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's like a relationship, at least that's how I see it A they came to me.
• 14:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's like a relationship, at least that's how I see it.
• 14:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: A lot of client relationships are kind of like a marriage, especially if they're long-term, where it's like if my wife comes to me and she's like hey, anthony, I really want to be listened to.
• 14:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: Can you hear me?
• 14:39
  Anthony Rodriguez: I want to tell you about my day.
• 14:40
  Anthony Rodriguez: Don't give me a solution.
• 14:41
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just getting personal.
• 14:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: No, tell you about my day, don't give me a solution getting personal.
• 14:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: No, it's true.
• 14:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's like yeah, because she's like I mean I'm a man, so normally I'm like okay well here's a solution.
• 14:51
  Vipul Bindra: This is what we can do.
• 14:52
  Vipul Bindra: This is how we can like yeah, I mean get better fake, but that's not what they're looking for right?
• 14:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: yeah, I can fix this problem that you're coming with me with and she's like I just want to listen, but that's what a lot of videographers do.
• 15:01
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, it's like we're the husband.
• 15:05
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, there's no like gender, whatever, whatever the heck but like there's like we're the husband that's saying, oh well, I can give you this video and I can give you this video and I can like make it look really cool, and they're like I just want to be listened to, I just want brand awareness, I just want this, or I.
• 15:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: We don't have enough lead flow, we need lead generation.
• 15:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: So in your, in your head, you're like ads, ads.
• 15:30
  Anthony Rodriguez: You know, like all these, like little things that you can and sometimes they don't.
• 15:33
  Vipul Bindra: They tell you it's completely off.
• 15:34
  Vipul Bindra: I've had clients.
• 15:35
  Vipul Bindra: They go we want a recap video and you're like, okay, you know.
• 15:38
  Vipul Bindra: And immediately you know I've done hundreds and hundreds of those.
• 15:40
  Vipul Bindra: But then you start to dig.
• 15:41
  Vipul Bindra: And this is why it's important to ask questions, because if they just said, said that and you ran with it, they would have been very disappointed because they didn't know the lingo and they were just saying the word that they knew you would have never gotten exactly yeah, and so so you, you ask okay, awesome, where are you gonna share it?
• 15:55
  Vipul Bindra: right?
• 15:56
  Vipul Bindra: You say, oh, you know great, so, where you can share it, who you're gonna what, the platform, so I can make it better, right, I know, know the target audience and all that.
• 16:03
  Vipul Bindra: And then you slowly find, oh, okay, so you're going to post here what's the purpose of it.
• 16:07
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, we want new clients.
• 16:08
  Vipul Bindra: Well, recap videos.
• 16:09
  Vipul Bindra: And how you get new clients, recap videos is just how you show how great you are, anyway.
• 16:13
  Vipul Bindra: So then you start to figure out and they're like oh, we want this.
• 16:16
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, so what you're talking?
• 16:22
  Vipul Bindra: I and I, and I won't say that, let me clarify, okay.
• 16:25
  Vipul Bindra: I won't say, oh, you mean mini, and I'll say, oh, I get what's the video you're talking about.
• 16:28
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, so here's what we're gonna do.
• 16:30
  Vipul Bindra: We're gonna come, you know, record all this for four days, whatever, and we'll make a 15, 20 minute video.
• 16:34
  Vipul Bindra: A recap video would never be more than 190 seconds to two minutes.
• 16:37
  Vipul Bindra: But you know, I wouldn't have known that and I'll generally stick with the lingo that they're comfortable with, because no point me trying to educate them on the lingo.
• 16:46
  Vipul Bindra: I'm more interested in getting them the video that's going to help them.
• 16:49
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm like okay, so we're going to make a recap video that's going to be like more like a documentary, it's going to be about 20 minutes and that's going to cover all these aspects.
• 16:58
  Vipul Bindra: That sound right.
• 16:58
  Vipul Bindra: They're like yes, exactly, let me even find a video that shows it's similar.
• 17:03
  Vipul Bindra: So I know 100, is this the quality?
• 17:05
  Vipul Bindra: Because you know we can make this for 100 000, we can make this for 5 000, depending on you know what, how we're shooting, the level of equipment and then, once I get, gauge where they are.
• 17:14
  Vipul Bindra: Now I'm like okay, now we're good, now we're good, and then plus they appreciate it because they got the content at the end what they wanted, and they're more bound to come back.
• 17:22
  Vipul Bindra: And you and I are here, real production company owners.
• 17:25
  Vipul Bindra: It's unrealistic to be able to find 10 15 new clients every month.
• 17:29
  Vipul Bindra: You're far better off keeping the clients you have and have them keep coming back that's what I'm working on new clients, man, that's that's.
• 17:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: That's somewhere where I'm trying to shift more towards.
• 17:40
  Anthony Rodriguez: I still have repeat clients, but they're not on retainer and they would benefit from being a retainer.
• 17:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: They probably pay me less yeah, exactly, clients save money.
• 17:49
  Vipul Bindra: They don't realize that.
• 17:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah but it's something that's crazy that you said and one thing that I noticed with videographers that, uh, are able to charge a lot of money, and that separates them from the ones that are like, yeah, I'm charging whatever, this much and that much, and they're like I'm starving.
• 18:03
  Anthony Rodriguez: I say starving videographers and I don't mean that in a negative, condemning tone, I mean that in just it's like I don't have any work this month.
• 18:13
  Vipul Bindra: No, starving artists is a real thing, especially in a town like this.
• 18:16
  Vipul Bindra: We have like three colleges churning hundreds of people every year into the market and they walk out, especially with like full sale.
• 18:23
  Vipul Bindra: They walk out with an FX six which is a good camera to to, to, to work on.
• 18:27
  Vipul Bindra: So so yeah, they think you know and then they start.
• 18:30
  Vipul Bindra: I've seen so many productions companies open up, at least in our area, and then they close because it's a common thread, because they, they learn how to make a video.
• 18:39
  Vipul Bindra: Let's not even go deep.
• 18:41
  Vipul Bindra: If they do learn that, the point is, at the end of the day they are, they don't know any business knowledge.
• 18:47
  Vipul Bindra: They don't know, what the clients are looking for.
• 18:50
  Vipul Bindra: So they either end up in the music video market, which is horrendous for paying very low and they want editing in the whole world, and then or they try to enter into indie movie world, which is way more disrespectful even worse, even worse and so, and when they try, obviously what we're doing where there is money, uh, they don't know any business things, so most businesses aren't going to take them seriously.
• 19:12
  Vipul Bindra: Or they end up at that two, three hundred range where you know you can find work, but then you can't pay your bills, you can't cover your costs I'll do whatever anyone pays me, exactly.
• 19:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: But the one, though, like the one thing that I've noticed that separates, uh, those videographers, which was me, that was me being completely honest, so that me in the past to me now is you're playing almost like a doctor and here's what I mean by that.
• 19:39
  Anthony Rodriguez: So you, as a videographer, you are asking questions.
• 19:43
  Anthony Rodriguez: Hey, how do you feel like a doctor?
• 19:44
  Anthony Rodriguez: Well, let me then.
• 19:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: What about this?
• 19:46
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh, you have a pain here, okay, well, I think that might be.
• 19:51
  Anthony Rodriguez: You have no brand you know it's like yeah, is it?
• 19:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: you're, you're, you're diagnosing your patient exactly, um, and I obviously we have to be careful with that, because we're not positioned as like financial advisors or business consultants or whatever, or whatever the heck.
• 20:07
  Anthony Rodriguez: But that is what separates those that do make a lot of money and are trusted by their clients as opposed to those that don't, because you're not just.
• 20:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh yeah, let me just take an order.
• 20:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: You want this video?
• 20:23
  Anthony Rodriguez: You're literally me just take an order you want this video you're literally uh well, I'm not a, I'm not a clerk worker, I I help businesses make more money.
• 20:30
  Anthony Rodriguez: So why is this?
• 20:32
  Anthony Rodriguez: Why is that?
• 20:32
  Anthony Rodriguez: How about this?
• 20:33
  Anthony Rodriguez: Well, what about this?
• 20:35
  Vipul Bindra: that's that's invaluable.
• 20:36
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, don't just be an order taker, or I mean, because some people will do some extra and they'll say I did it.
• 20:41
  Vipul Bindra: No, you asked them if they wanted mayo and ketchup with their burger do you want a testimonial with that too, do you want to uh, I don't know.
• 20:50
  Vipul Bindra: Do you want a social media video too?
• 20:52
  Vipul Bindra: Then you're not actually diagnosing anything, you're just order taking like a restaurant do you want some fries?
• 20:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: when really you should be saying, hey, do you want a gym memory?
• 21:00
  Anthony Rodriguez: like do you want supplements?
• 21:05
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:05
  Anthony Rodriguez: Do you want some?
• 21:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: something you want some vitamins like and you're trying to give them more fries.
• 21:10
  Vipul Bindra: We're going deep into this metaphor, but but anyway yeah uh, but anyway, point is, I think there's um, it's just a mindset change that's the bottom of it and and it's okay.
• 21:22
  Vipul Bindra: The thing thing is it's not to put anyone down.
• 21:24
  Vipul Bindra: It is especially like I said, when I started, I had moved away from Orlando, I was in the middle of nowhere and there was barely like one to two production companies there and they were those old school, no gatekeeping.
• 21:36
  Vipul Bindra: I'm genuinely like, hey, I want to reach out, I want to learn more.
• 21:39
  Vipul Bindra: I'm starting this massive production company Because, you know, when I started I was like I'm going to be huge, like bringing in friends and family and everyone into it.
• 21:46
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, point is I'm like, hey, I would love to get some guidance or just talk in general, learn some, you know, because what you're trying to figure out at that time is pricing, strategies and deliverables and, uh, all that you know, stuff that people want to gatekeep and.
• 21:58
  Vipul Bindra: And so I had no knowledge.
• 21:59
  Vipul Bindra: So I had to stumble my way through freelancing what people were paying me to, you know, think what their initial price was, and then figure that out.
• 22:10
  Vipul Bindra: And luckily I was able to.
• 22:12
  Vipul Bindra: But at the end of the day, it would have helped so much with someone either being able to mentor me or at least being able to listen here and now go, oh, I can charge $30,000.
• 22:20
  Vipul Bindra: And this is what the deliverables I can anticipate being able to having to provide, and it would help a lot, and so I get it.
• 22:27
  Vipul Bindra: Not having the knowledge, but at the same time, you have to change the mindset first.
• 22:33
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 22:34
  Vipul Bindra: All the knowledge can be gained.
• 22:35
  Vipul Bindra: There's enough people willing to share who are actually in the industry, and not people who are trying to, you know, make a course, who have never run a video production.
• 22:43
  Vipul Bindra: Please don't do that.
• 22:50
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, there's so many of them.
• 22:51
  Vipul Bindra: Please verify who you're learning from.
• 22:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, make sure they actually have a production company.
• 22:53
  Anthony Rodriguez: You will become who you listen to.
• 22:53
  Vipul Bindra: A hundred percent exactly a hundred percent of the time because because my whole thing is and there's nothing wrong with a production company owner also trying to teach you but very few production company owners have even time to make courses, because that becomes another business.
• 23:05
  Vipul Bindra: You have to now market it and uh you know promote it, and all that.
• 23:09
  Vipul Bindra: Now you're taking time away from production.
• 23:10
  Vipul Bindra: At the end of the day, if you're learning from someone, you want the latest and the greatest knowledge on how to run this video business yeah, you know that the field that we're in, so something that's like I was thinking about when you were.
• 23:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: You were talking about that was as a production company owner.
• 23:29
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like I don't just do this year, this year's actually gonna be crazy.
• 23:35
  Anthony Rodriguez: Sorry if I go all over the places, because I'm just, yeah, I am all over the place, that's okay.
• 23:39
  Anthony Rodriguez: I mean, we can go anywhere that's like who I am, but like.
• 23:43
  Vipul Bindra: I don't even know who's listening to this.
• 23:44
  Vipul Bindra: I hope somebody is, yeah, somebody's listening.
• 23:46
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, there's already so much knowledge has been shared, so hopefully they can benefit from it.
• 23:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: So this year I'm learning because you brought up something that was really interesting.
• 23:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: You said, oh, a production company owner, like running running courses, is a completely different thing.
• 24:03
  Anthony Rodriguez: But something I learned while asking my clients a ton of questions like who's your ideal customer, like who's all this?
• 24:11
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm like who's my ideal customer?
• 24:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: what are their pain points?
• 24:16
  Anthony Rodriguez: What are the?
• 24:17
  Anthony Rodriguez: Because I and this was given to me by my mentor and someone probably gave gave it to him, um, but there was a whole list of questions that I now ask my clients that are so thought-provoking.
• 24:30
  Anthony Rodriguez: For me they were thought-provoking I was like so I started answering them for myself and I would.
• 24:35
  Anthony Rodriguez: It was nuts, because I was like wait, I know how to target my target audience yeah I know which kind of client I want.
• 24:43
  Anthony Rodriguez: I know all this different stuff.
• 24:44
  Anthony Rodriguez: My target audience yeah, I know which kind of client I want, I know all this different stuff.
• 24:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: So, on the flip side, I had to do content for myself, because I'm offering my clients all of these different packages on how to target their ideal audience, ideal customer, and I'm like, wait, their ideal customer is kind of close to mine.
• 25:03
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and you're not doing it for yourself and I'm not doing it for myself.
• 25:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: So one thing I'm only one person, so I only have enough time to do a couple things and I'm not even that competent.
• 25:12
  Anthony Rodriguez: You're being humble.
• 25:16
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I do get overwhelmed pretty easily, like on a real level, even if someone's hearing this and it's like, oh, someone's hearing this, you know, and like it's like, oh, he's making over six figures and whatever the heck, and which isn't a ton, a ton of money as a video professional, I think you can make a lot, but it's.
• 25:33
  Anthony Rodriguez: I was just yeah, I'm not the, I'm not the most, most I'm pretty scatterbrained, like I'm not super organized, like all that stuff.
• 25:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm now hiring somebody to edit all of my content everything so I can post it but,
• 25:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: I, here's the thing it's, and thank you like, yes, it it does have some level of intelligence, but all I'm doing is exactly what I'm doing for my clients, like I'm, I'm taking all the stuff, all the bts, all that stuff, and I'm because I don't edit everything that my clients give me.
• 26:10
  Anthony Rodriguez: I have an editor that I've trained, that I've made sure he's as close as possible to my editing style, and then I, I finish it, but my editor is now just editing my content.
• 26:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:23
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, hey, that is very smart, Take credit, because the best thing I ever did is guess what?
• 26:29
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, same thing.
• 26:29
  Vipul Bindra: I started video company right and again, to be real, people were so cynical.
• 26:33
  Vipul Bindra: You know I'm in the middle of nowhere.
• 26:34
  Vipul Bindra: And then first week, when I closed 3040 and business three days, not even a week.
• 26:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: That is so not normal for anybody listening.
• 26:43
  Anthony Rodriguez: That is not no, if you do, if you do the right thing.
• 26:47
  Vipul Bindra: It is possible, but anyway, coming back to what I'm saying is so initially, guess what?
• 26:51
  Vipul Bindra: It was my plan to edit everything.
• 26:53
  Vipul Bindra: Right, because that's how we all start.
• 26:54
  Vipul Bindra: And then I go crap, I can't do that.
• 26:57
  Vipul Bindra: I started to edit first video and I'm like, uh, now I'm not selling anything, I'm not working on the business.
• 27:02
  Vipul Bindra: You know, we do a lot more than just just making videos.
• 27:06
  Vipul Bindra: You have to be you know accountant, you have to be your PR person, you have to be your own I don't know marketing person or whatever, whatever, whatever.
• 27:13
  Vipul Bindra: So, anyway, point is, the best thing I could ever do was, initial I was like oh no, I have to let go, and I'm a control freak, you know.
• 27:20
  Vipul Bindra: So it's like I want to control the edit.
• 27:21
  Vipul Bindra: So the best thing I could do, like you said, is find an editor, make sure they they do exactly what I want to do, or at least as close to it, and then let go, because otherwise I would have never been able to scale.
• 27:33
  Vipul Bindra: At that point I would have just flattened or even gone down now you're stuck in days and days, you know, editing something, yeah.
• 27:39
  Vipul Bindra: So that's very smart that you're doing that, because now you can free that time to be far more effective.
• 27:44
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, absolutely.
• 27:46
  Anthony Rodriguez: And I've something I've seen as a video business owner, as a business owner in general, I've and it's crazy, Cause now I talk like this, like it's really, it's a real thing.
• 27:57
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like who?
• 27:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: No, no, no, no no, not this.
• 27:59
  Anthony Rodriguez: I've always talked like that, I've always used my hands, but like, really, who you listen to is like who you will become period, like that is just.
• 28:08
  Anthony Rodriguez: You might not think it, but you'll slowly but surely so.
• 28:11
  Anthony Rodriguez: I do listen to, uh, business owners and entrepreneurs, like like alex harmosi and different people in that genre and stuff, and they talk about their time and how much your hour is worth and how valuable your time is.
• 28:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I've noticed how much more I can do in four hours of building my business, which sometimes seems like monotonous, it seems like stupid work.
• 28:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: Honestly, at the end of the day, a couple times when I was doing this out of discipline, I was like I didn't do anything.
• 28:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: Today, yeah, and like four hours of building my business, I'm like setting up a couple systems and like different things.
• 28:51
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like that I'm like this is the dumbest, like I could be.
• 28:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: I could have finished a whole project, you know and like.
• 28:56
  Anthony Rodriguez: But I've seen over the it's almost like working out or eating healthy.
• 29:01
  Anthony Rodriguez: Eating healthy is probably a better, better analogy, because working out you see a pump, but like eating healthy, you don't initially, initially like you actually you feel after a week?
• 29:12
  Vipul Bindra: yeah, you initially don't.
• 29:13
  Vipul Bindra: You feel it after a?
• 29:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: week, but immediately after eating, like, while you're eating, uh, junk food, you feel so it's so much more enjoyable.
• 29:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, but over the long, over the course of time, it you get so much more results out of eating healthy, and that's what building my business was.
• 29:29
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I've seen the value of my hour increase way more.
• 29:35
  Anthony Rodriguez: Actually, building my business, setting up systems, doing a couple different things that seem really annoying.
• 29:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm not, like I said, I'm not an organized person.
• 29:44
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm not super attention said I'm not an organized person.
• 29:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm not super, uh, attention to detail in that way.
• 29:48
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm more so attention to detail creatively.
• 29:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: So when I figured that that was more important, I was like all right, let me delegate this, let me delegate this, let me let me spend two hours teaching my editor how to do this specific thing so I'll never have to do it again.
• 30:02
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly, no, that's smart and and and once you get, obviously if you're struggling to pay your bills, obviously focus on that getting the clients but once you're there, absolutely we don't value that immediately.
• 30:12
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and I get it because I'm like I want to go get out more clients or I want to make more videos.
• 30:16
  Vipul Bindra: But if you look back, the best time spent was always anytime automating or streamlining a process in the business, because now you don't have to do that again.
• 30:25
  Vipul Bindra: Like, for example, I'll give one is for me, proposals.
• 30:28
  Vipul Bindra: Initially, you know I would spend so much time creating a proposal and then and I had those fancy and again, nothing wrong with them.
• 30:35
  Vipul Bindra: You do impress the client, you know making fancy proposals.
• 30:38
  Vipul Bindra: But then I was like, if they're repeat clients, why am I spending this much time?
• 30:46
  Vipul Bindra: So I built templates I literally have and then now all I do is, if I have a template and again, at this point I've done majority of the things so I just literally go copy paste, or sometimes I even have them fully created like packages, right, and it saved me so much time.
• 30:58
  Vipul Bindra: But when I was doing it I was like this is so tedious, this is so boring, why am I wasting my time, my time?
• 31:03
  Vipul Bindra: But at the end, now that I've used it because I've had the same proposal software at this point for three to four years it saved me so much time.
• 31:10
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, um, so, anyway.
• 31:12
  Vipul Bindra: So working on your business is actually very essential, but then it gives you more time in the future and to do stuff like at the end of the day, I'm not trying to work more yeah, plus you've got a kid and yeah, I'm not, I'm not trying to.
• 31:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: Honestly, I'm not trying to.
• 31:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: I do hustle and I guess my brain's always working at.
• 31:29
  Anthony Rodriguez: My wife tells me like, oh, you work so much.
• 31:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: I tell, I tell my wife I'm like, oh man, I'm so lazy.
• 31:34
  Anthony Rodriguez: And she's like lazy, are you crazy?
• 31:36
  Anthony Rodriguez: What's wrong with you?
• 31:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like you're, you're literally, you're always working, you're always thinking about your work, but at the end of the day, I'm trying to free up my time, yeah, like my time with my.
• 31:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't want to get emotional on this podcast.
• 31:47
  Anthony Rodriguez: Every time I talk about my son, like it's, like I've, I've, I.
• 31:53
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't even want to say I've built a business.
• 31:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm still building it because it's like I.
• 31:57
  Anthony Rodriguez: I may seem like I have a lot of stuff together, but I don't really have like every none of us have it all yeah I'm I'm figuring a lot of these things out, you know, and and I'm completely okay with it, but I've built this business and I don't.
• 32:12
  Anthony Rodriguez: I didn't build it so I can work in it.
• 32:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: I build it so I can have time to like go out sorry, I'd tell like go out with my son and like do whatever my wife and go to the beach on a Tuesday, you know, and like all these different things.
• 32:28
  Anthony Rodriguez: And where I can shut, I want to be able to turn off my phone.
• 32:32
  Anthony Rodriguez: Right now I can't turn off my phone because if I miss a call from a client, I'm like screwed or like whatever.
• 32:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: if I a closing call and I want to be able to do those stuff where I have people in the back end like working it, yeah.
• 32:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: I want to be able to do those stuff where I have people on the back end, like working it yeah, I want to be replaceable, you know so for me, obviously, that's like that is a couple years down the line, but that's my goal, that that's something that that, uh really helped me.
• 32:57
  Anthony Rodriguez: I mean, actually I I do want to make a whole video on this, but like knowing my why as a business owner was huge, yeah.
• 33:06
  Vipul Bindra: Huge, huge, and that's a huge motivation factor, believe it or not.
• 33:10
  Vipul Bindra: It was very similar motivations for why I started it.
• 33:13
  Vipul Bindra: Because I was.
• 33:14
  Vipul Bindra: I had a kid.
• 33:15
  Vipul Bindra: Right, I had one kid at that time and I'm seeing her growing up and I'm like you're telling me I have to be miserable, I'm going to get up in the morning and money was good the job I had and I was doing video on the side.
• 33:29
  Vipul Bindra: So you're telling me I have to go get up in the morning, go to this stupid job, go be miserable.
• 33:35
  Vipul Bindra: Come home at night I'm so exhausted and all my daughter wants to do is play with me and I'm just like let daddy go to sleep.
• 33:41
  Vipul Bindra: And then, sure, you're like, oh, you have the weekend.
• 33:44
  Vipul Bindra: But now I'm like I want to pursue my passion and go film stuff.
• 33:47
  Vipul Bindra: And it's like, uh, so I and I didn't want to make that choice.
• 33:50
  Vipul Bindra: I didn't want to make that choice with family, um, and between family and fun and or whatever.
• 34:00
  Vipul Bindra: Whatever gives makes me happy.
• 34:01
  Vipul Bindra: And then the other thing was, uh, what ends up happening is, um, lost my train of thought.
• 34:06
  Vipul Bindra: But yeah, no, anyway.
• 34:07
  Vipul Bindra: So and then I was like I, I don't want to be miserable a doing this.
• 34:09
  Vipul Bindra: And then I want to do what I enjoy, uh, but on top of that, I don't want my daughter to grow up and be like my dad wasn't around and you know and I know some kids respect it obviously like my dad was working all the time.
• 34:18
  Vipul Bindra: You know he had a business.
• 34:19
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm like, oh, you know he's working, but I was like, uh, anytime you want to take a vacation, like you said, you have to not go to your boss, but like, can I get pto?
• 34:25
  Vipul Bindra: I still remember being like, hey, I need to take some time, and they go no, you're very necessary, and you know what I mean.
• 34:31
  Vipul Bindra: Like you care and I'm like you're essential, yeah and I'm like I can't, I can't go to you know, like you know to any.
• 34:37
  Vipul Bindra: Just I can't be spontaneous, that's my style yeah and you know what I love.
• 34:41
  Vipul Bindra: Like now I can just hop out to disney world, let's just go to magic kingdom, let's do whatever, right, we can't, we couldn't do that.
• 34:47
  Vipul Bindra: So, anyway, the freedom that we have with what we do, we make our own schedules.
• 34:52
  Vipul Bindra: Man, that was game changing and that's why, to be real sure, I worked miserable hours and I worked my ass off.
• 34:58
  Vipul Bindra: I work harder now, I work way longer hours now as a business owner, but it doesn't feel like it Because guess what and that's why I've had this happen where buddies are like they need help on a project, like, can you be a DP or whatever they're like can you manage this?
• 35:11
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, yes, as long as your project sounds fun, I make my own schedule.
• 35:15
  Vipul Bindra: I can absolutely clear three days for you.
• 35:18
  Vipul Bindra: You know, you see what I'm saying.
• 35:19
  Vipul Bindra: And the same time, with my kids, if my, my kids are like, dad, we want to go disney, it's like hold on a minute, let me see my calendar.
• 35:25
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously some meetings you can't change, but most times I'm like sure, let's go right, or, or let me clear up my schedule anyway, or we could do the next day, yeah, or whatever, but that being able to like or being able to go on vacation.
• 35:36
  Vipul Bindra: So we hadn't been to be real.
• 35:37
  Vipul Bindra: I was so focused in business.
• 35:38
  Vipul Bindra: I'm taking them on a real vacation because to me, disney world is whatever, but it's not a vacation when you live here, right?
• 35:45
  Vipul Bindra: So I finally took my family on a cruise earlier this year that's such a that's such a vipple thing to say.
• 35:51
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm gonna just be honest, I'm gonna keep going, keep going.
• 35:53
  Vipul Bindra: I don't mean it.
• 35:53
  Vipul Bindra: I don't mean to throw you off.
• 35:54
  Vipul Bindra: I was able to take them on a cruise and I love that being able to.
• 35:57
  Vipul Bindra: Which crazy I still worked.
• 35:59
  Vipul Bindra: It was so funny.
• 36:00
  Vipul Bindra: I thought I was going to be able to take a week off or whatever, but I was still getting client calls and emails but I was able to just take the time off.
• 36:07
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like okay let's go on an international cruise for eight days, so anyway.
• 36:10
  Vipul Bindra: So I completely feel you, man, that to be.
• 36:12
  Vipul Bindra: That was my motivation too, and I'm not.
• 36:16
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not trying to.
• 36:18
  Vipul Bindra: You know I love this, obviously.
• 36:20
  Vipul Bindra: I want to do this, but I don't want to sacrifice family for this.
• 36:24
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean.
• 36:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, Well, that's this.
• 36:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I hear people it's funny when you're not making money.
• 36:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: You think the things that people that are making money say are stupid.
• 36:36
  Anthony Rodriguez: Does that make sense?
• 36:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like, and that was like the most podcasting yeah, that was the most podcasting, but it's true's true.
• 36:48
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like I used to hear people that like make a lot of money.
• 36:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: I used to hear that they would say about time and reading books and all that stuff and know your why and and like have goals and just like whatever.
• 36:59
  Anthony Rodriguez: And I would hear that I'm like you're a tool yeah, but here I am making like 40k a year, 50k a year because I didn't get it, and the people that are there, they know what it takes to get there.
• 37:10
  Anthony Rodriguez: I think it's very, very, very important for videographers to know their why, because then they'll at least have direction on what to do to get there.
• 37:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: And then at that point it's actually your fault if you don't get there, like it's either negligence or whatever.
• 37:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: But a lot of times and this is I'm speaking from experience a lot of times videographers don't do anything because they either don't know how to do it or they don't even know what they need to learn to do.
• 37:40
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and a lot of these courses are just telling them one strategy, and even if that works.
• 37:45
  Vipul Bindra: There's so many different ways.
• 37:47
  Vipul Bindra: Just on this few episodes that I've done, you've learned so many different ways of being able to market yourself.
• 37:53
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so, from all the way to boots on the ground, shaking hands you know coffees to automating your ads, there is not just one strategy.
• 38:03
  Vipul Bindra: And you said it perfectly you have to first know what to do.
• 38:07
  Vipul Bindra: Second, I think you have to have the desire to want to do it.
• 38:12
  Vipul Bindra: You know it takes, because a lot of people tell me and it's a common thread, you know New Year's resolution people go I'll do this and people don't do it.
• 38:19
  Vipul Bindra: The truth is, there's never the right time right.
• 38:23
  Vipul Bindra: Something is always going wrong, either in your life or the world.
• 38:26
  Vipul Bindra: So don't wait for the perfect moment.
• 38:28
  Vipul Bindra: Don't say, oh, in three months, in six months, this will be better or I can start If you're ready.
• 38:33
  Vipul Bindra: Start Now.
• 38:34
  Vipul Bindra: That doesn't mean quit your job completely and you know if your bills to pay, but nothing stops you today from registering your LLC or whatever however you want to legal structure your business you're starting that.
• 38:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: You know you want a crazy like vulnerable thing yeah so I just started my llc like three days ago enough.
• 38:53
  Vipul Bindra: So are you sole proprietor?
• 38:54
  Vipul Bindra: I was a sole proprietor, funny enough, I did that.
• 38:56
  Vipul Bindra: So, and and again, there's the four years, yeah, no, three years.
• 38:59
  Vipul Bindra: Three years, no, four years running a business so here's my side I did this well, not for 40 bro, it's crazy bro, but here's the other side.
• 39:08
  Vipul Bindra: There's nothing wrong with again not doing an llc.
• 39:10
  Vipul Bindra: The opposite side of this because I had done many.
• 39:13
  Vipul Bindra: As you can't tell, I'm an entrepreneur, so I was always doing businesses and then I learned my lesson because you know, obviously some work, some didn't work.
• 39:20
  Vipul Bindra: So when it came to video this was first time doing something I'm passionate about I was like I'm not even going to take the risk, because as soon as you do llc, you have so many taxes and processes and procedures and minutes and stuff that you got to take care of.
• 39:31
  Vipul Bindra: I don't even know that, but I don't want to talk exactly no, no, that's okay.
• 39:35
  Vipul Bindra: And then people don't know, it does hit you the first time I purchased my llc.
• 39:38
  Vipul Bindra: It was so cool.
• 39:39
  Vipul Bindra: I have a company and then you start getting with these taxes and and rules and minutes and, like I said, things that you have to follow through with, uh, you don't do that anyway.
• 39:48
  Vipul Bindra: Um, and that's what I'm saying.
• 39:49
  Vipul Bindra: My first llc, I immediately did s corp and, because you know, that's the cool thing, and then I'm like I'm not paying myself, why am I doing s car anyway?
• 39:56
  Vipul Bindra: so I was smart about it because I I was like testing it.
• 40:01
  Vipul Bindra: So first six months, uh, I only did sole proprietorship, and that's okay.
• 40:05
  Vipul Bindra: When I knew cause you know, obviously he'll live with the revenue I was like duh, I got to make this into an LLC and obviously the LLC bought the.
• 40:13
  Vipul Bindra: You know the legal structure.
• 40:14
  Vipul Bindra: But the point is that's okay too.
• 40:16
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying it's it's long.
• 40:19
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously it's not legally best.
• 40:26
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not a lawyer, not legal advice, but it's okay again, it's better to just get started.
• 40:28
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, just do it.
• 40:29
  Vipul Bindra: I think that's the main thing, and you're gonna fail.
• 40:30
  Vipul Bindra: It's okay, as long as you keep pushing through it and you make an effort to actually go out and talk to people who are where you want to be.
• 40:37
  Vipul Bindra: I, I don't think this is hard.
• 40:39
  Vipul Bindra: Let's be real.
• 40:40
  Anthony Rodriguez: It is hard, but it's not that hard you need you really do need to know what you need to learn, like you need to know what to learn that.
• 40:49
  Vipul Bindra: So what do they need to learn?
• 40:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: let's go deep into it, because again, people are listening yeah, yeah.
• 40:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I think, well, one you, you need to know your why.
• 40:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: First, that that's as a human being you need to know your why and you don't need to figure it all out in its entirety.
• 41:01
  Anthony Rodriguez: But before you do this, or if you need to know your why and you don't need to figure it all out in its entirety, but before you do this, or if you want to be successful in this and you don't want to ruin your actual why, because I feel like your why is like deep in there somewhere I'm, I'll get into the heart stuff of all this but like your.
• 41:18
  Anthony Rodriguez: Why is somewhere in there?
• 41:20
  Vipul Bindra: yeah, it's like a deep desire and it can be money.
• 41:22
  Vipul Bindra: I want you to know because if they just want to make money, there's hundreds of businesses that are easier to make money than video.
• 41:28
  Vipul Bindra: Please do that In video.
• 41:30
  Vipul Bindra: You have to have some sort of love or something, some reason to just want to pursue video first.
• 41:35
  Vipul Bindra: And here's the thing.
• 41:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: If you're wise just to make money, that's okay.
• 41:39
  Anthony Rodriguez: But I would just like I would ask a client a little bit more questions and be like I would ask a client a little bit more questions, like and be like hey well, why do you want to make more money?
• 41:48
  Anthony Rodriguez: Or like what's good money going to buy you and why is that make you happy?
• 41:51
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like I would ask yourself those questions because then you can know okay, this is actually the real thing.
• 41:57
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, cause sometimes it might not be money that gets you there, it might be something else and you'll know how to pivot.
• 42:02
  Anthony Rodriguez: Whatever that gets you there.
• 42:04
  Anthony Rodriguez: It might be something else and you'll know how to pivot whatever.
• 42:09
  Vipul Bindra: But I think that's a big thing.
• 42:10
  Vipul Bindra: Second one is learn your offer.
• 42:10
  Vipul Bindra: It's important to have a good offer.
• 42:11
  Anthony Rodriguez: You need to have a good offer and you need to learn how you're going to help your clients, because if you don't, if you don't know how to help your clients, listen, now I'm hiring people for my business and to help my business and structure and get things organized.
• 42:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: I drill them.
• 42:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm about to give them my money.
• 42:29
  Anthony Rodriguez: I worked hard for this stuff.
• 42:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like they need to prove it.
• 42:33
  Anthony Rodriguez: They need to prove to me that they're going to help me and they need to have a good.
• 42:40
  Anthony Rodriguez: It needs to be persuasive, exactly, and they need to build confidence with me.
• 42:52
  Vipul Bindra: No, I think that's great get get your, get your uh offer, then get your also get your social proof and if you don't have it, that's okay.
• 42:55
  Vipul Bindra: In the new, when you're new, you don't have it.
• 42:56
  Anthony Rodriguez: Do you do s free?
• 42:57
  Vipul Bindra: yeah, exactly, there's nothing wrong.
• 42:58
  Vipul Bindra: People get a very gung-ho about free stuff yeah now I have very strong feelings as in I'm all for if somebody says, come work for free for me.
• 43:06
  Vipul Bindra: Don't do it, because then the relationship isn't great built up free.
• 43:10
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but there's, it's the funny enough, it's just slight change of dynamic.
• 43:15
  Vipul Bindra: If you say, hey, anthony, let me come work free for you, that's okay because you're uh, and then offer them something in return, hey, can I come work on your set?
• 43:23
  Vipul Bindra: You don't have to pay me.
• 43:24
  Vipul Bindra: How about I do BTS for you?
• 43:26
  Vipul Bindra: Right, and obviously Anthony will vet you first, but as long as he feels comfortable, I'm sure you're okay bringing them on.
• 43:32
  Vipul Bindra: Just get a camera and get BTS, exactly.
• 43:33
  Vipul Bindra: So, yeah, I would say definitely, there's nothing wrong with working for free.
• 43:38
  Vipul Bindra: Go out, find the people that you want to be with but also offer some sort of value to them.
• 43:44
  Vipul Bindra: And then you offer that that was the dynamic in the relationship is great.
• 43:47
  Vipul Bindra: Where you're like look, I'll come work for free and I will offer you ABC, whatever.
• 43:52
  Vipul Bindra: So they are also getting something out of it.
• 43:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah and okay.
• 43:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: So the cause, that's actually.
• 43:57
  Anthony Rodriguez: I love that.
• 43:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: That second question, right before this one that you asked like right before this one that you asked like okay, well, what are, what are things that you need to learn?
• 44:04
  Anthony Rodriguez: I think I could list them out, maybe in like four.
• 44:07
  Anthony Rodriguez: Okay, so if you're a videographer and you need to take oh well, I don't even know what to learn, it's overwhelming Like one.
• 44:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's definitely not the next camera and next lens, but, uh, know your why, like why you're trying to build a business, know how you're going to help your client, which means get good at sales period.
• 44:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: Just go courses, get on sales calls, like just get good at sales.
• 44:40
  Anthony Rodriguez: Whatever you have to do, you will think you won't thank me, because you're probably not watching this podcast but just get good at sales.
• 44:48
  Anthony Rodriguez: Do whatever you can to get good at sales.
• 44:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: And the last one is obviously perfect your craft, but I think that's the last one.
• 44:52
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly Because here's the different way I'll tell you.
• 44:55
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, generally, people get into this fail love video and they want to perfect their craft.
• 45:01
  Vipul Bindra: But you are better off learning sales than perfecting your craft, because here's one way you can make good money today, as long as you go out, follow these strategies that Anthony is giving you and go find a client, and obviously you have to be confident because they can see through you.
• 45:20
  Vipul Bindra: But if you're genuine about it, because you genuinely have a plan, if you go there, you sell them a solution to their problem.
• 45:26
  Vipul Bindra: Guess what you can do?
• 45:27
  Vipul Bindra: You can find the right video person in your town, in your community, and hire them to actually provide the solution.
• 45:34
  Vipul Bindra: And you make money today.
• 45:36
  Vipul Bindra: That's crazy.
• 45:37
  Vipul Bindra: Whatever they charge.
• 45:38
  Vipul Bindra: You charge your 20%, 40%, whatever your profit range is on top of that and you make money today and obviously, if you love video and if you don't, there you go.
• 45:45
  Vipul Bindra: There's a business.
• 45:46
  Vipul Bindra: But if you do now, you can pay attention and you can learn what they're doing, how they're doing all of that on the spot.
• 45:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: Those are business and life skills.
• 45:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: Those are things that you'll take forever.
• 45:57
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's like communication and sales, like if you have those two things and then you know your why, you know what your offer is and then you perfect your craft.
• 46:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like what you were saying, I didn't think that way.
• 46:08
  Anthony Rodriguez: What you're saying is like I didn't even.
• 46:10
  Anthony Rodriguez: I just started thinking about that, like that probably two, three months ago, where I could just hire someone.
• 46:15
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I make most of my money no, not most, a decent amount of money, and here's the reason.
• 46:21
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, I want to answer that, because a lot of people then go oh then why wouldn't they just hire that person or that person?
• 46:27
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 46:27
  Vipul Bindra: And that's that low level right, that you're not thinking like the business owner.
• 46:31
  Vipul Bindra: They're not hiring me because they, like I don't know my camera operation better than the other people they've added they're hiring me because somebody told them usually at least for me that Vipple or Bindra Productions made us money, right, their videos represented my brand better, or whatever ABC, or they helped my recruitment or whatever.
• 46:53
  Vipul Bindra: Whatever they were looking for.
• 46:54
  Vipul Bindra: But they come as a warm lead so they want to work with me for reliability.
• 46:59
  Vipul Bindra: When clients hire me, they know we're going to show up rain, tornado, whatever.
• 47:04
  Vipul Bindra: Then they know the footage is going to be captured.
• 47:07
  Vipul Bindra: Nobody's going to accidentally delete it.
• 47:09
  Vipul Bindra: They know it's going to be backed up.
• 47:10
  Vipul Bindra: They know the video is going to look like I promised them what it's going to look like, despite the challenges on set which will happen, you know, are people calling in?
• 47:18
  Vipul Bindra: There's going to be enough cameras that I promised they're going to have.
• 47:20
  Vipul Bindra: I hope that makes it.
• 47:21
  Vipul Bindra: It's the reliability, yeah so so don't get into that mindset, because but a lot of times I'm the producer, right, and if they come to me and they have a budget and I'm like, well, I don't have a budget for me to fly in, or I have a bigger project that I need to be at, so guess, what.
• 47:36
  Vipul Bindra: I'll do.
• 47:36
  Vipul Bindra: I'll find another owner, operator or a buddy of mine and be like look, this is what the requirements are.
• 47:41
  Vipul Bindra: But obviously you don't have to be this much.
• 47:43
  Vipul Bindra: I'm more pre-production.
• 47:44
  Vipul Bindra: So I'll even tell them I want this settings, this frame rate, this, this.
• 47:48
  Vipul Bindra: And then you just go capture it and they're happy because now you're helping the economy and the other creator community.
• 47:54
  Vipul Bindra: But then on the other side, I'm obviously taking a cut because I did work on it and I'm offering my reliability Because, guess what, if this person doesn't show up, it's not their head on the table, it's mine, and that is why clients would work.
• 48:07
  Vipul Bindra: So get off that thought process that clients will directly work with them or whatever.
• 48:12
  Vipul Bindra: That's the low level, I think.
• 48:14
  Vipul Bindra: Think mindset where you're, like, so afraid to lose clients?
• 48:16
  Vipul Bindra: No, and plus most of my friends, I know.
• 48:19
  Vipul Bindra: I'm happy to do it, I've done it for adam, I'm happy to put on other person's shirts and go why wouldn't I man?
• 48:24
  Vipul Bindra: I want to help my friends grow so most people are okay and it's extra.
• 48:29
  Anthony Rodriguez: I mean, at the end of the day it is extra money without the headache of client.
• 48:33
  Anthony Rodriguez: Exactly.
• 48:34
  Anthony Rodriguez: You've done it for me, you've helped me out, so everyone will do it.
• 48:38
  Vipul Bindra: I mean not everyone, but most people will.
• 48:40
  Vipul Bindra: Plus, it's a collaborative industry.
• 48:42
  Vipul Bindra: Anyway, you help me, I help you, right, and we all grow together.
• 48:45
  Vipul Bindra: So, anyway, we need to just get again coming back to what we started with, get out of that mindset.
• 48:50
  Vipul Bindra: We have to change that and think like a business owner and not, uh, not think like that scarcity mindset that you know, oh, if I lose this, I'm not gonna have any there's enough work for everyone there's so much work, yeah, so what were the four things?
• 49:07
  Vipul Bindra: let's uh quickly go over them, so the know the why yeah, so.
• 49:12
  Anthony Rodriguez: So if you're a videographer, you want to start, or if you you need to know what to learn to build your business, I would say know your, why, the core of your being.
• 49:23
  Anthony Rodriguez: Know your why while you're doing this.
• 49:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: Know your offer, meaning how you're going to help your clients.
• 49:29
  Anthony Rodriguez: That means, learn what your clients need and build an offer.
• 49:32
  Anthony Rodriguez: Get good at sales whatever courses, whatever the heck.
• 49:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: Get good at sales practice.
• 49:40
  Anthony Rodriguez: You find someone that's good and convincing.
• 49:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: Tell them to teach you, or tell them, or try and sell to them and say, hey, uh, can you tell me how much I suck at sales?
• 49:51
  Anthony Rodriguez: They'll tell you.
• 49:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: And communication, and then I think the fourth thing at the end is perfect your craft.
• 49:59
  Anthony Rodriguez: You know that's something you could do along the line throughout the entire thing.
• 50:02
  Vipul Bindra: Biggest thing.
• 50:03
  Vipul Bindra: Most filmmakers are camera nerds People.
• 50:05
  Vipul Bindra: You know how much I love cameras.
• 50:09
  Vipul Bindra: Lighting and sound makes a better video than any camera.
• 50:13
  Vipul Bindra: Nowadays, almost cameras are good enough, unless you're at that high level.
• 50:18
  Anthony Rodriguez: But even then, it's a given what camera you're using.
• 50:21
  Vipul Bindra: Please learn lighting.
• 50:22
  Vipul Bindra: And again, which is what I want to jump into next.
• 50:24
  Vipul Bindra: This is perfect segue, because you have a YouTube channel, sir yeah, and you are teaching people how to light.
• 50:30
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah so first, I want to let's start at the beginning of that.
• 50:33
  Vipul Bindra: What made you want to start youtube?
• 50:36
  Anthony Rodriguez: uh, I love youtube okay you're like me, I just I love.
• 50:40
  Anthony Rodriguez: I love youtube.
• 50:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: I love watching youtubers talk about stuff.
• 50:44
  Anthony Rodriguez: Um, honestly, it's funny.
• 50:46
  Anthony Rodriguez: My my biggest dream starting youtube was like I would love to get free gear.
• 50:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: That was just because everyone that I talked to about my youtube channel they're like, or about gear that they sent, or or like oh that's so sick, how much did it cost?
• 51:02
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like I don't know.
• 51:03
  Anthony Rodriguez: They sent it to me.
• 51:04
  Anthony Rodriguez: I like their.
• 51:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: There was like.
• 51:07
  Anthony Rodriguez: Their first response is oh my gosh, you're so lucky.
• 51:11
  Anthony Rodriguez: I need to start a youtube channel because I love free gear.
• 51:16
  Vipul Bindra: Holy smokes, there's nothing wrong with free gear, dude.
• 51:19
  Vipul Bindra: I bought every single thing I have on with my own money and I'm over half a million dollars into it.
• 51:24
  Vipul Bindra: So, please, free year would be nice, but go ahead I don't.
• 51:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't know if you can get half a million, but I listen.
• 51:30
  Anthony Rodriguez: I love free gear super excited.
• 51:32
  Anthony Rodriguez: But I'm so glad my, my, I surpassed that dream because I would not be doing it.
• 51:39
  Anthony Rodriguez: I would not be doing youtube now and even times I want to quit if I was still thinking about free gear, because it's so much work and so many people want to send you gear.
• 51:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: A lot of times you don't need the crap that they're trying to offer to send you.
• 51:53
  Anthony Rodriguez: So why I started YouTube was for that.
• 51:57
  Anthony Rodriguez: Why I'm doing YouTube now is I've noticed it build my brand.
• 52:00
  Anthony Rodriguez: I've noticed it make more, make me more money, and it's what I would do for my clients.
• 52:04
  Anthony Rodriguez: People listen to me Like they.
• 52:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: They.
• 52:07
  Anthony Rodriguez: They watch the behind the scenes videos, they watch all these different things and they're getting value from it.
• 52:11
  Anthony Rodriguez: And they're getting value from it and they're immediately trusting me, before they even get on the phone with me.
• 52:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, so then, by the time I get on the phone, even though they're a cold lead no one referred them they're a warm lead yeah, because they already feel like, they know, like they trust you.
• 52:23
  Vipul Bindra: Video works, they know me yeah, and and um, which the parasocial relationship that they build with you.
• 52:29
  Vipul Bindra: Right, anyway, uh, which I know subscribers is an arbitrary number, but it does make you look like an authority.
• 52:35
  Vipul Bindra: How many subscribers do you have on there?
• 52:36
  Anthony Rodriguez: yeah, I was.
• 52:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: So we're close to 8 000 right now.
• 52:39
  Anthony Rodriguez: Look at that 8 000 people and by we I mean me.
• 52:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't know why I said it was like like I have this whole team.
• 52:44
  Vipul Bindra: It's literally just me but hey, you're, you're doing great, you're giving people advice, and what I love about you is that you're you're not, um, uh, peddling you know the same nonsense I find, uh, on youtube because you know there's there's a lot of good content, but you have to pass through a lot of nonsense.
• 53:00
  Vipul Bindra: You're like you said, you're actually testing, you're practicing your craft and now you're just sharing what you learned.
• 53:06
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously you get some good free stuff out of it.
• 53:09
  Vipul Bindra: Why not, right?
• 53:09
  Anthony Rodriguez: yeah, I get paid for it too, like there's sometimes sponsors too right there's sponsors.
• 53:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: Um, honestly, I wouldn't be able to invest as much time like I would hear this phrase that youtubers say a lot.
• 53:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: They're like, oh well, use the links down below, like it really supports this channel and helps it going.
• 53:28
  Anthony Rodriguez: So we could keep making videos like yeah, yeah, now I get it.
• 53:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: Now I'm like, okay, well, yeah, actually it does, because I'm not gonna invest 15 hours for nothing yeah and when I say nothing I mean like no immediate return, because that 15 out now that I think about my hour even more so than before like my hour is no longer 200, 250, it is no longer worth 200, 250.
• 53:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like when I'm just a DP or I'm just a camera operator.
• 53:57
  Anthony Rodriguez: I would never charge that for a camera operator, but like that'd be very high.
• 54:02
  Vipul Bindra: It's like, just like as a.
• 54:03
  Anthony Rodriguez: DP or something, or a director or whatever the heck it is.
• 54:07
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's no longer that.
• 54:09
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's much more Cause I could be using that to build my business or spend time with my family yeah exactly that's.
• 54:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: That's priceless.
• 54:16
  Anthony Rodriguez: So, uh, yeah, I do see the, the, I do have sponsors, I do have ways of generating income, uh, from youtube and I'm, I don't know, I, I, it makes sense sometimes.
• 54:29
  Vipul Bindra: I want to quit, bro, I'm gonna be honest, because it's a lot make you money.
• 54:31
  Vipul Bindra: Is it good money or no, or is it just paying for itself?
• 54:34
  Anthony Rodriguez: well, last year, well, no, no money really goes into it, besides time, which time is?
• 54:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: Money, but the biggest yeah, you can't get it back um, but last year I think I made 23 24 000 from youtube, that's still some plus year right.
• 54:51
  Vipul Bindra: Are you counting?
• 54:51
  Anthony Rodriguez: yeah, oh my gosh, I did not count, because I showed up, okay.
• 54:55
  Vipul Bindra: So this happened, what?
• 54:55
  Vipul Bindra: Not even a couple weeks ago, I needed to buy something from you, like a road, uh, transmitter, whatever, either way, and you're like, hey, look at this light because and I'm genuinely considering infinimat.
• 55:06
  Vipul Bindra: So it was very similar to what I was thinking about anyway yeah you're like it's a four by four inflatable from Godox and I'm like that sounds really great.
• 55:12
  Vipul Bindra: Anyway, point is, and then I'm looking up I'm like, oh, that may interest.
• 55:16
  Vipul Bindra: And it's like five grand and you're like, yeah, they just sent it to me, or four grand whatever.
• 55:20
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm like that's incredible.
• 55:22
  Vipul Bindra: And again, there's more to it.
• 55:25
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously you're putting your time and energy, it's not technically free gear, but what?
• 55:29
  Vipul Bindra: But what I'm trying to get to is that's still incredible for somebody who has to buy every tiny thing with their own money.
• 55:34
  Anthony Rodriguez: That was one of the largest items that I've received.
• 55:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: I just want to say it's not usually, it's funny that company I'm not going to say who it was, but that company.
• 55:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: They initially reached out to me offering me these tiny lights, like 60 watt lights, and I was like no, and they wanted a dedicated video.
• 55:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: We want a whole dedicated video, which for me that means a lot more time and it means more exposure to my audience.
• 56:01
  Anthony Rodriguez: So if I'm like each video that I put out, I want it to like bring value to my audience.
• 56:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: If I'm just making videos about every stupid little piece of gear, like whatever chinese company reaches, out to me.
• 56:12
  Anthony Rodriguez: Then I'm like my audience is gonna know this is crap, you know, or so every time I put out a video that might not bring value, it's a risk for me exactly.
• 56:22
  Vipul Bindra: You don't want to alienate your audience so you will you know work so hard to build so?
• 56:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: all these yeses that I had to say, they were trying to send me a 60 watt light and I was like now, uh, they're like, oh well, we have this other light.
• 56:34
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's like, is there anything on the website that interests you?
• 56:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: And I noticed that they had that.
• 56:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: They just came out with this light.
• 56:40
  Anthony Rodriguez: Man, that's a lot of money, it's like 3 500 bucks tax, and I'm like it's a lot, it's gonna be a lot of money for that.
• 56:47
  Anthony Rodriguez: And they like sent me a couple other attachments and then, um, they said, yeah, they're like, oh yeah, we actually needed uh, yeah, because I didn't know about it.
• 56:57
  Vipul Bindra: No, and I'd like to very much keep up with the most of the gear that comes out nobody knows about the site so when you did I was like, oh, that's incredible, because you know it's, I would call it very close to an infinimat, at least competitor in that four by four range and uh, my issue with infinimat is just how bulky it is to carry the whole oh my god, the balance is huge, yeah and I was like the whole point is to carry a 4x4, foldable, inflatable light is to be light and small.
• 57:25
  Vipul Bindra: And I saw and I was very much interested in the 4x4 and the 8x8.
• 57:29
  Vipul Bindra: But when I saw I was like this ballast is massive, the case is massive, the whole I I don't know they were.
• 57:35
  Vipul Bindra: They were not trying to target me, they were trying to get rental houses.
• 57:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, and even then, as somebody who does rent from rental house, I'm like that is too big it would take too much space on the van so I mean, I would think it would make sense if you need it for like a tight space, because it's beautiful that, like using that light.
• 57:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: Did you watch the video?
• 57:52
  Vipul Bindra: yeah, yeah, I saw the video and then I also saw it in person.
• 57:55
  Vipul Bindra: But the other thing is um here.
• 57:57
  Vipul Bindra: Here's the funny, that this other one is similar.
• 58:01
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, obviously I didn't.
• 58:02
  Vipul Bindra: I didn't put a color meter to it, so I don't want to comment on it, but your video looked great, but also it's so much smaller, like, oh yeah, compact and and I thought I thought it was huge.
• 58:12
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, I like no in my, I thought it was huge, but then when you start comparing it to other things, yeah, and you actually had space in the case.
• 58:18
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm like, oh, you could throw a couple more lights.
• 58:20
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, here's your lighting kit.
• 58:21
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and one case you now have a massive, a four by four key light.
• 58:25
  Vipul Bindra: That that's incredible that you bring.
• 58:28
  Vipul Bindra: You could just roll into your tesla whatever and just go to a shoot like that's incredible.
• 58:33
  Vipul Bindra: I have to bring a freaking van to be able to, to bring four by fours, you know, yeah, yeah no, I mean it's cool.
• 58:39
  Anthony Rodriguez: So youtube has has been like obviously beneficial.
• 58:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: Um, I've been trying to shape my voice on youtube.
• 58:47
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't think I I'm gonna say this like for me's.
• 58:51
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm like a little brash in general, like my person really I'm a little, I'm a little uh uh, I wouldn't say abrasive, but I'm like I I do like telling it how it is, because I like being told how it is, you know, and and no, I like real people.
• 59:08
  Vipul Bindra: That's why we, but we clicked immediately.
• 59:09
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, I like.
• 59:11
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'd rather you be you than some fake no and and it's it's annoying when people I don't want to get into this too much, but it's annoying, like when I have to like cut through fluff.
• 59:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm like all right, well, tell me how you really think, like well that's probably why I'm a person.
• 59:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: But I'm Like just tell me what you're thinking Like all that stuff.
• 59:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like sometimes I like that with clients and I need to learn, I need to learn.
• 59:35
  Anthony Rodriguez: There's a nicer way to say it, but the same thing Not like that.
• 59:38
  Vipul Bindra: The real deal, what you think I need to learn from you on that.
• 59:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: You said something earlier, I was like I would never, say that.
• 59:44
  Anthony Rodriguez: What you said but it was so nice.
• 59:49
  Vipul Bindra: I was like what, what did I say?
• 59:50
  Vipul Bindra: Now, I don't know about their documentary thing.
• 59:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: You're like yeah I don't want to tell them the term and that.
• 59:54
  Vipul Bindra: No, that's just because to me, and I'll tell you why- there's beautiful trying to be nice that be trying to be fake.
• 1:00:00
  Vipul Bindra: That's me just trying to not sound condescending, because to be real people have done that, let me be real, obviously.
• 1:00:06
  Vipul Bindra: Um, you know, I'm indian originally and people speak, um.
• 1:00:09
  Vipul Bindra: You know english fine in ind, but English is not my first language, right?
• 1:00:13
  Vipul Bindra: It's my second language, so sometimes some words are pronounced wrong or whatever and I hate it when people go now it's one thing you don't understand, it's okay to be like, hey, what do you mean?
• 1:00:22
  Vipul Bindra: But if you get it, and then I hate when people correct me, I'm like if you understand it, oh it's not this, it's this.
• 1:00:29
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like like so you understood me then shut up.
• 1:00:34
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean.
• 1:00:35
  Vipul Bindra: Like let's move on.
• 1:00:36
  Vipul Bindra: We're having a conversation here you just destroy the whole flow.
• 1:00:39
  Vipul Bindra: So anyway, coming to this, I genuinely care about my clients and I genuinely want to help them.
• 1:00:45
  Vipul Bindra: Otherwise I wouldn't.
• 1:00:46
  Vipul Bindra: This wouldn't be.
• 1:00:46
  Anthony Rodriguez: This would become a job immediately otherwise you're a peacemaker yeah, at the same like you're.
• 1:00:51
  Anthony Rodriguez: You're not trying to to to stir the boat while at the same time directing.
• 1:00:53
  Anthony Rodriguez: You're like you're a peacemaker.
• 1:00:53
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, at the same like you're.
• 1:00:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: You're not trying to to to stir the boat while at the same time directing.
• 1:00:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: You're like you're creating.
• 1:00:56
  Vipul Bindra: At the end of the day, my goal was to make them the video they wanted, and if it was a documentary or or whatever corporate documentary, whatever we're going to call it, me teaching them the lingo isn't going to solve the solution at the end day.
• 1:01:09
  Vipul Bindra: What I wanted to do was figure out what they wanted.
• 1:01:11
  Vipul Bindra: Now, where I would have failed was if I'd made them a recap video.
• 1:01:14
  Vipul Bindra: And as soon as I figured it out, I could approach it two ways.
• 1:01:18
  Vipul Bindra: Right, I could either go into a whole spiel on uh, you know what the correct term is and I think, no matter how deeply uh good place I come from, it's gonna always sound condescending to them, because they don't give a crap what I'm making, they just want what they want.
• 1:01:33
  Vipul Bindra: It's like, you know, you go to an apple store and they give you hey, here's the laptop.
• 1:01:38
  Vipul Bindra: Right, you're like I want the 15 inch m1, whatever they're like.
• 1:01:41
  Vipul Bindra: Here you go.
• 1:01:41
  Vipul Bindra: Imagine they went on a 20 minute spiel on no sir, it's an m1 max and it's a retina display, you know whatever.
• 1:01:48
  Vipul Bindra: And you would be like stop, stop condescending me, just give me the fucking laptop anyway.
• 1:01:53
  Anthony Rodriguez: So that wasn't me being nice, but I do see what you mean, yeah, I need to learn, like I need to learn from that man and like, because sometimes I'm like yeah, it's just a little abrasive.
• 1:02:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: And and like I, I do need to to be nicer because Because sometimes I'm just like no.
• 1:02:17
  Vipul Bindra: And I've said it.
• 1:02:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: I've had clients.
• 1:02:20
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, excuse me, I've had clients that have asked for this.
• 1:02:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's like oh well, I want this, this, and that we could do this right, and they've already paid me for something.
• 1:02:29
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm like no.
• 1:02:31
  Vipul Bindra: Oh really.
• 1:02:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, I'm just like no, no, we can't like, here's why.
• 1:02:34
  Anthony Rodriguez: But what?
• 1:02:34
  Vipul Bindra: are they being unreasonable?
• 1:02:35
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, oh yeah, then I get it see that see, that's not to me.
• 1:02:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: Rude, that's you but I want to be nicer though.
• 1:02:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: I want to be like how would you?
• 1:02:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: Say it nicely though oh, if like a client's asking for two, well, I don't know, okay, I'm not nice, I would say it.
• 1:02:47
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'll say and tell me if that's too extra nice.
• 1:02:49
  Vipul Bindra: I would say that that's outside the scope of the work we discussed, but I'm happy to see how we can amend the scope of work.
• 1:02:57
  Vipul Bindra: That's all I would say.
• 1:03:00
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's kind of like being political, oh my goodness, don't call me political.
• 1:03:05
  Vipul Bindra: I don't think I'm at all political.
• 1:03:07
  Anthony Rodriguez: Well, that's what politicians do?
• 1:03:08
  Anthony Rodriguez: They get a question, they get something that's like a little whatever reporters trying to knock them off and they're like look, they say what they're trying to say, but they make a big bush around it.
• 1:03:22
  Vipul Bindra: And then and then they like oh my goodness, I feel a little attacked, but it's okay, that's what.
• 1:03:28
  Anthony Rodriguez: That's what I do.
• 1:03:29
  Anthony Rodriguez: No, I I do that with my clients.
• 1:03:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: Sometimes I'm getting better at it.
• 1:03:32
  Anthony Rodriguez: I I don't want to paint the picture that I'm terrible at it, but like sometimes I have to say they ask for certain things and I'm trying to keep them happy.
• 1:03:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I'm like, hey, look Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:03:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: And then I'm like lightly telling them they're wrong and they're not going to get what they want.
• 1:03:47
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, but in the nicest.
• 1:03:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: But sometimes you just have to be clear about it.
• 1:03:53
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, yeah yeah.
• 1:03:54
  Vipul Bindra: That they're not going.
• 1:03:54
  Vipul Bindra: I've had that Because you know, let's be real.
• 1:03:56
  Vipul Bindra: These are business owners especially the bigger they get they want to push you around.
• 1:04:01
  Vipul Bindra: You have to set a fine line stand.
• 1:04:03
  Vipul Bindra: That's why I'm like I always do contracts.
• 1:04:05
  Vipul Bindra: Day one, I'll tell you this Years and years ago this is freelancing days Somebody.
• 1:04:11
  Vipul Bindra: And years ago, this is freelancing days somebody wanted to, and obviously I love filmmaking, right then time I would have done anything.
• 1:04:14
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, come film this for me.
• 1:04:15
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, absolutely, and money's not even a thing, right.
• 1:04:18
  Vipul Bindra: But I was like, okay, here's the contract and they go what.
• 1:04:21
  Vipul Bindra: We just want you to hold the camera, whatever, whatever, plus, it's free, like what.
• 1:04:24
  Vipul Bindra: I was like no, sir, I am not coming, and I stood my you know, like I put my foot in the ground no, if you don't sign the contract, I am not coming, because I want legal protection that this is my footage.
• 1:04:34
  Vipul Bindra: You can just license it anyway.
• 1:04:36
  Vipul Bindra: Sorry, point I'm trying to make is that you have to like go this is it anyway, I don't use contracts.
• 1:04:44
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't use contracts, but literally on the way here today I messaged call attorney no I messaged a buddy of mine and I'm like, because there's there's a 15K deal on the line.
• 1:04:55
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I know you mentioned it, so you may be getting that call yeah, I would love if you take it live.
• 1:05:00
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, let me see if they called.
• 1:05:02
  Anthony Rodriguez: I actually haven't really checked my phone.
• 1:05:03
  Anthony Rodriguez: I've been trying to.
• 1:05:04
  Anthony Rodriguez: No, they haven't called.
• 1:05:05
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'll leave it here.
• 1:05:07
  Anthony Rodriguez: Is that on frame?
• 1:05:11
  Anthony Rodriguez: No, is that on frame?
• 1:05:13
  Anthony Rodriguez: No?
• 1:05:13
  Anthony Rodriguez: Okay, but I, I have that and I'm starting to get into more retainer.
• 1:05:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm trying to head towards retainer.
• 1:05:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, and I don't have a contract and that's impossible, that's that is the dumbest thing you could possibly do.
• 1:05:29
  Anthony Rodriguez: So, uh, I don't want to be the dumbest person, so I messaged my person, all the person.
• 1:05:32
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I messaged my person on the way here.
• 1:05:34
  Anthony Rodriguez: I messaged my friend.
• 1:05:35
  Anthony Rodriguez: I was like hey, bro, can you send me that contract which I'm probably going to talk to you about?
• 1:05:39
  Anthony Rodriguez: contracts like I'm probably going to get some of those, but, like I, I don't have a contract and I'm.
• 1:05:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: These are the systems getting in place right now of like how to pay on retainer, how to do all these different things, getting automated proposals and stuff.
• 1:05:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like I really do want to be automated.
• 1:05:57
  Anthony Rodriguez: And like hire VAs.
• 1:05:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: I definitely think you should have a couple of VAs.
• 1:06:00
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, no.
• 1:06:02
  Vipul Bindra: I'm telling you no, I have looked into WordPress.
• 1:06:05
  Vipul Bindra: I actually have a system now, so I have.
• 1:06:07
  Vipul Bindra: Tiffany.
• 1:06:07
  Vipul Bindra: So yeah, and I have a real assistant.
• 1:06:10
  Anthony Rodriguez: She's a real life one.
• 1:06:11
  Vipul Bindra: A real person.
• 1:06:12
  Vipul Bindra: But no, I mean yes, no, definitely that was necessary.
• 1:06:17
  Vipul Bindra: But coming back to it, yeah, I wanted to talk about no, clients will push you around.
• 1:06:23
  Vipul Bindra: Let's be real.
• 1:06:23
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want it to sound like, yes, clients, the more they pay, they do get.
• 1:06:27
  Vipul Bindra: I find easier to work with because they let the expert be the expert, but on the other side, they will push you around.
• 1:06:34
  Vipul Bindra: I've had people actually and this is why contracts are necessary because I've had clients sign contracts and then pay.
• 1:06:42
  Vipul Bindra: You know, let's say I'll give them the option hey, pay 50% or whatever, and then not pay the other 50%, and then when you go ask for it, they'll go, they'll make up their own rules.
• 1:06:51
  Vipul Bindra: No, no, we were supposed to pay per event, like we'll pay, like they'll make a yearly contract or whatever.
• 1:06:56
  Vipul Bindra: I've had this happen recently where they were like, oh, we'll pay you, we pay before every event and I'm like here's the contract, there you go.
• 1:07:03
  Vipul Bindra: This is what you signed.
• 1:07:04
  Vipul Bindra: It clearly says payment now and then immediate due on.
• 1:07:08
  Vipul Bindra: You know this If you're not paying, technically the contract's not valid right yeah you're not going to make anything.
• 1:07:14
  Vipul Bindra: I mean that's just what it is.
• 1:07:15
  Vipul Bindra: I mean at the end of the day, uh, I mean, obviously I could take them to small claims and all that, but that's not worth it for me, uh, but because we haven't done any, uh, any work towards those events, I'm not losing anything.
• 1:07:26
  Vipul Bindra: Point I'm trying to make is that's why, a I always collect payment up front and, b I don't want to even deal with the payment issues which I want to get to, because I know you've been talking about a payment issue.
• 1:07:38
  Vipul Bindra: But anyway, we'll get there in a second.
• 1:07:40
  Anthony Rodriguez: I have a spicy story.
• 1:07:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, I want to know the spicy story.
• 1:07:42
  Vipul Bindra: But same thing.
• 1:07:43
  Vipul Bindra: Having heard stories and this is not just you, but from a bunch of people, and, like I said, that's how I learned.
• 1:07:49
  Vipul Bindra: You know seeing, oh, this happened to someone or whatever.
• 1:07:51
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want that to happen to me.
• 1:07:52
  Vipul Bindra: So it used to do 50 up front and then 50 at delivery.
• 1:07:56
  Vipul Bindra: Then I changed that.
• 1:07:58
  Vipul Bindra: Now it's just either all hundred up front and, funny enough, the bigger the contract, the easier, I find, the people pay and then 50 at the time or no before to the shoot.
• 1:08:07
  Vipul Bindra: Otherwise we don't even show up for shoot because I want to be able to cover my costs I I'm not floating money out of my pocket for all my contractors and my editors and stuff like that, and I've had no pushback because, again, people who work with you typically know that that's just how it is, because it's in the contract.
• 1:08:24
  Vipul Bindra: So I would highly recommend it.
• 1:08:25
  Vipul Bindra: But also, here's the other mistake I think people are making nowadays They'll go to chat GPD or whatever, and it's a good starting point.
• 1:08:32
  Vipul Bindra: There's nothing wrong with going to chat GPD and getting, but I would highly recommend work with a real attorney, because there's clauses that you may not even think about, like, for example, one of the best ones that I have is called artistic release.
• 1:08:45
  Vipul Bindra: Cause, let's be real, what we're doing at the end of the day, I'm giving them a video which is art.
• 1:08:50
  Vipul Bindra: Right, what I make is different than what you make, than anyone else makes.
• 1:08:54
  Vipul Bindra: That's just what it is.
• 1:08:56
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, if same script we'll make a different video and I don't I've never had that happen, but I just don't want that to happen they go.
• 1:09:02
  Vipul Bindra: I just didn't like that because that's just not the style, even though we made sure, obviously upfront, that that's the style we were going for.
• 1:09:08
  Vipul Bindra: Having that in there just clearly says like look, this is artistic expression.
• 1:09:12
  Vipul Bindra: You know, you have seen our previous work, so you know what we're going to create Cause, at the end of the day, that could, that can be an out like for not wanting to work with me or whatever.
• 1:09:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: So do you have revisions?
• 1:09:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: Do you have like a a thing with like revisions on your contract?
• 1:09:27
  Vipul Bindra: What, how many revisions?
• 1:09:28
  Vipul Bindra: I only offer one revision.
• 1:09:29
  Vipul Bindra: But obviously there's clients, like government clients especially, that want because you know with them signing a contract is such a process.
• 1:09:35
  Vipul Bindra: They're like you know, just give us three revisions, that's fine, we'll just add the cost.
• 1:09:39
  Vipul Bindra: I just don't like so.
• 1:09:40
  Vipul Bindra: Initially I used to do more revisions and I find most people do two or three revisions.
• 1:09:44
  Vipul Bindra: Here's what I found A that adds extra cost for no reason and B my style is I'll call it.
• 1:09:50
  Vipul Bindra: Most people, you know, send a draft and a you know draft video and then go from there.
• 1:09:55
  Vipul Bindra: My thing is, when I call it a draft, it's already fully done.
• 1:09:59
  Vipul Bindra: I don't send a video until it's like I'm ready.
• 1:10:02
  Vipul Bindra: I'm okay if they publish it on the internet and then I'll send it, but I'll say this is my draft.
• 1:10:06
  Vipul Bindra: And then here's, and now you have one revision and you can do whatever changes to it.
• 1:10:12
  Vipul Bindra: And that's my standard format.
• 1:10:12
  Vipul Bindra: And if they want obviously anymore they can buy them after um at the hourly rate or they can, uh, which, again, my editing rate is very low.
• 1:10:20
  Vipul Bindra: We only charge 75 bucks an hour for editing, which is very low, in my opinion, for them to do.
• 1:10:25
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, that, yeah, I pay good rates to my editors, so that's what it?
• 1:10:31
  Vipul Bindra: is.
• 1:10:31
  Vipul Bindra: It's just very good Anyway.
• 1:10:33
  Vipul Bindra: But again, most clients don't do, come back.
• 1:10:35
  Vipul Bindra: And actually, funny enough, I make so much money from post because here's the advantage of being a production company.
• 1:10:41
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know if you've noticed this yet.
• 1:10:43
  Vipul Bindra: You own all the data, right?
• 1:10:45
  Vipul Bindra: So client obviously hired you, let's say, for 10K project, two deliverables.
• 1:10:49
  Vipul Bindra: You made the videos, you're done.
• 1:10:50
  Vipul Bindra: Two deliverables you made the videos, you're done.
• 1:10:54
  Vipul Bindra: And guess what happens?
• 1:10:54
  Vipul Bindra: Six months, 12 months later?
• 1:10:55
  Vipul Bindra: They always come back.
• 1:10:55
  Vipul Bindra: Hey, we want them captioned, or we want to make social cuts out of them, or we want to make a recut, or we want to update our logo.
• 1:10:59
  Vipul Bindra: And now you can just build them for the, for the editing hours, 75 times, whatever yeah and now that's extra thousands and thousands of dollars that you can keep making.
• 1:11:09
  Vipul Bindra: And I've had clients come back years later and they'll stick with me because, guess what, we have their full archive.
• 1:11:14
  Vipul Bindra: So if they want to make an encompassing video for the last three years what they've been up to, know their company and do that because we have that archive.
• 1:11:22
  Vipul Bindra: So we can pull from our archive.
• 1:11:24
  Vipul Bindra: So, which is why I'm so against selling um, you know, raw footage, because a most people can't work with.
• 1:11:29
  Vipul Bindra: I find log footage and stuff in the corporate world.
• 1:11:32
  Anthony Rodriguez: That's why I always shoot in log.
• 1:11:34
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and so I'm like this is 10-bit log footage.
• 1:11:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: I mean I shoot in log for the image, but I also shoot in log because well, no, I do mainly for the image, but a side benefit is nobody's going to use this footage.
• 1:11:49
  Vipul Bindra: So, if you want, somebody you're going to have to have to I've had clients literally, and this is funny again smaller guys go, please can you not show it and log.
• 1:11:55
  Vipul Bindra: And then I'm like but then why are you?
• 1:11:56
  Vipul Bindra: Because they want to use the footage.
• 1:11:58
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like but why are you then hiring me?
• 1:12:00
  Vipul Bindra: There's so many other videographers, just go hire them, like yeah, you know it's not gonna do.
• 1:12:05
  Vipul Bindra: You want it to look as good yeah, that's what I'm saying, the whole reason to hire us and again, I personally am like log and 10-bit gives you so much flexibility in post.
• 1:12:14
  Vipul Bindra: My colors can't do anything if I record already with you know, 709 baked in Anyway, but to me what we record is also an asset that will come years and years.
• 1:12:25
  Vipul Bindra: It'll pay off, and it can't if, obviously, you just give it away or also you don't store it or you lose it or whatever.
• 1:12:32
  Vipul Bindra: So anyway, at least that's the strategies that I've been I've been following, but anyway, I don't want to backtrack because I know you have that spicy story, but before that, would you say, because there's something you are doing that I'm not doing.
• 1:12:42
  Vipul Bindra: You have a YouTube channel with a lot of following, do you, and that builds credibility.
• 1:12:47
  Vipul Bindra: Do you think that's helping business?
• 1:12:49
  Vipul Bindra: Would you?
• 1:12:49
  Vipul Bindra: suggest other people do that.
• 1:12:51
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh, this 15 K deal today is uh from you.
• 1:12:55
  Vipul Bindra: Look at that man.
• 1:12:57
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's, it's somebody that they've been, uh, following my content.
• 1:13:00
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't know why, cause they don't do video, but they've been like watching it.
• 1:13:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: And then, ooh, I have a.
• 1:13:08
  Anthony Rodriguez: This will actually be kind of cool to listen to, this will actually be kind of cool to listen to.
• 1:13:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: And he said I could share this.
• 1:13:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: But someone, literally I met them.
• 1:13:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: I sold them a lens they were buying it for their kid and then they were like man, I've been wanting to do and I, whenever I sell something, I'm always like hey, what do you do?
• 1:13:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: What do you do so I can close them?
• 1:13:30
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just kidding.
• 1:13:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: So, I can just whatever.
• 1:13:33
  Anthony Rodriguez: Maybe I could help them or not.
• 1:13:34
  Anthony Rodriguez: But this one guy, this cause this is actually and it's crazy cause this is live, like this is live, live.
• 1:13:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: Let me see if I can find it.
• 1:13:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: Maybe I'll find it at the end or something okay if you find it, but the guy the guy literally said.
• 1:14:01
  Anthony Rodriguez: He was like oh man, I've been looking to do this myself and and blah, blah, blah and I'm buying all this gear.
• 1:14:08
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm like researching what gear to buy because I'm like videographers are expensive and I have this project in mind.
• 1:14:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: I want to do all this stuff.
• 1:14:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm trying to learn it, whatever, because I always send my YouTube channel.
• 1:14:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: When they're like hey, can you send me your portfolio?
• 1:14:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: I send them Instagram website YouTube.
• 1:14:28
  Anthony Rodriguez: He's like, yeah, he sent me back the video and he said I can't do this it was a behind-the-scenes video.
• 1:14:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: He's like but this is exactly what I want to get done for my business.
• 1:14:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: And after watching your video I realized there's no, I need you, Exactly I need you to do this.
• 1:14:47
  Anthony Rodriguez: And I was like, oh, makes sense.
• 1:14:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: And he was like, yeah, Did he lose the lens sale.
• 1:14:53
  Vipul Bindra: No, no, he bought the lens.
• 1:14:55
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, he got the lens.
• 1:14:55
  Vipul Bindra: This he bought.
• 1:14:55
  Vipul Bindra: He bought the lens.
• 1:14:56
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh, he got.
• 1:14:56
  Anthony Rodriguez: This is this is after.
• 1:14:56
  Anthony Rodriguez: This is after.
• 1:14:57
  Vipul Bindra: He bought the lens, but he bought it for his son because son is passionate and he was like I want to no, that's incredible and that's see, that's what I'm saying and I'm so glad you are doing that because, uh, and you could tell people that I think it's also okay to you know something like that.
• 1:15:09
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not doing this in an alternate way is to build an audience because it builds your credibility.
• 1:15:15
  Vipul Bindra: It's a lot easier, especially with new clients.
• 1:15:17
  Vipul Bindra: Right, I'm relying on the that warm refer lead, which is harder when it's new clients now, versus you, on the other hand, have another way to be like look, here's the credibility piece that you're looking for yeah so they're more.
• 1:15:30
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, you know, okay with, because you know let's be real, even for a business, 10, 15, 20k is a lot of money to spend, especially with a new record that they don't know yeah, so so that's great.
• 1:15:41
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm glad that's working out for you.
• 1:15:43
  Vipul Bindra: Um, all right, let's move on to that spicy story I want to know on why you should have contracts and payment terms in place.
• 1:15:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, legally speaking anyway well, imagine you spending 10 to 15 000 to $15,000.
• 1:15:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm vetting the crap out of that person.
• 1:16:03
  Anthony Rodriguez: The water break, yeah, but yeah.
• 1:16:08
  Anthony Rodriguez: So the way I do my payment structure and I will never do it differently unless it's a larger client corporate there is actually a system in place.
• 1:16:16
  Anthony Rodriguez: Their butt's on the line is actually a system in place.
• 1:16:18
  Anthony Rodriguez: Their butt's on the line I have a contract in place Is 50% up front and that's just to lock in the date.
• 1:16:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: We're like, oh well, I'd like to talk about the project, I'd like to brainstorm and come up with an idea and I'm like, yes, after the 50% deposit, because that's part of my packages, it's brainstorming, coming up with the strategy and a plan to make you more money, or or not just direct money, but like generate more awareness leads, whatever the heck.
• 1:16:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: We end up coming up that you want um, and then it's 50%, the rest before the day of the shoot or I'm not showing up, yeah, or or if it's if, if, like, we're close and it's like some kind of relationship, I will say it's okay and I'll do it on the day of blah, blah, blah, but nothing like nothing else that the first time I ever did not hold to that.
• 1:17:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: My client uh didn't pay me the other part, so I I, thankfully I still held.
• 1:17:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: How much is it?
• 1:17:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, $4,500.
• 1:17:28
  Vipul Bindra: Wow, that's a big one yeah.
• 1:17:30
  Anthony Rodriguez: So the whole project was 11 K.
• 1:17:32
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh, no, no, no, no, it was eight K.
• 1:17:36
  Anthony Rodriguez: Um, I, probably.
• 1:17:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh, no, no, no, no, it was 8k, um, I, probably.
• 1:17:46
  Anthony Rodriguez: How much is it?
• 1:17:47
  Anthony Rodriguez: So they paid me the deposit, because I'm not even going to put it on my calendar without a deposit, uh.
• 1:17:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: So they paid me 2000.
• 1:17:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, it was even less than 50, which I I don't have done that, but they paid me the $2,000 we get all up until the shoot I have.
• 1:18:01
  Anthony Rodriguez: I paid my person already.
• 1:18:02
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like this was a larger same day edits for a conference, like it was a whole thing.
• 1:18:07
  Anthony Rodriguez: I had to go to Tampa like I was bringing my wife to the hotel because thankfully in this business like.
• 1:18:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: You go places, you go to nice hotels you could bring your family, and then it's like a vacation for the family, um, or at least it's vacation for my wife, without me because I'm working.
• 1:18:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: But, um, so the literally she's not answering calls a week before and I'm like, oh my gosh, so it was two days before.
• 1:18:36
  Anthony Rodriguez: Finally, and I'm calling her, I'm calling.
• 1:18:40
  Vipul Bindra: At least they booked the hotel or you had to expense the hotel later.
• 1:18:44
  Anthony Rodriguez: No, no, no, they were booked.
• 1:18:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: I never expense.
• 1:18:46
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, okay.
• 1:18:48
  Anthony Rodriguez: I should, now that I'm thinking about it, for like flights and all that stuff.
• 1:18:51
  Vipul Bindra: I mean that's okay if they're doing it, I'm okay either way, as long as it doesn't come out of pocket.
• 1:18:55
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I don't know, At this point they're going to have small claims.
• 1:18:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't care, I'll pay the cost of the hotels.
• 1:19:02
  Anthony Rodriguez: But what was I going to say?
• 1:19:05
  Anthony Rodriguez: So this person didn't answer.
• 1:19:09
  Anthony Rodriguez: I reached out to everyone.
• 1:19:10
  Anthony Rodriguez: I started reaching out to her team because I'm like no way.
• 1:19:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: And she messaged me saying don't reach out to my team.
• 1:19:18
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm like, then answer the phone.
• 1:19:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm like you don't want me to reach out to your team, answer the phone.
• 1:19:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, she calls me and crying, and it's like a whole thing, bro okay I don't want, I don't want to get too deep into it.
• 1:19:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: Sure, I mean yeah, because she's kind of kind of stills dang it.
• 1:19:35
  Anthony Rodriguez: We can't edit this.
• 1:19:37
  Vipul Bindra: No, oh yeah, Don't say anything you don't want to say, but I mean I get it.
• 1:19:41
  Vipul Bindra: So she had some emotional issues.
• 1:19:43
  Anthony Rodriguez: Her mom was in the hospital.
• 1:19:44
  Anthony Rodriguez: Okay, it was a whole thing.
• 1:19:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, like it was a legit thing, an emergency, I get it, yeah, but then legit things happen every time she didn't pay me but so and I actually cared about this client Like, and I was like she's like, please can we figure something out?
• 1:20:01
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I'm like you know what.
• 1:20:02
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'll do this this one time.
• 1:20:04
  Anthony Rodriguez: I will never do this again.
• 1:20:07
  Anthony Rodriguez: I will show up.
• 1:20:09
  Anthony Rodriguez: You don't have to worry about paying anything more.
• 1:20:13
  Anthony Rodriguez: Just I will not.
• 1:20:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: And it's the same day, edits.
• 1:20:16
  Vipul Bindra: Oh so she wanted to reschedule, basically, the shoot.
• 1:20:20
  Vipul Bindra: No, no, we shot the same day.
• 1:20:21
  Vipul Bindra: Oh so we shot the same day.
• 1:20:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, everything was good, but it was.
• 1:20:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: They were same day edits.
• 1:20:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I'm literally giving her the deliverables on the day and there is a larger video, like a story brand video that I'm making out of the content.
• 1:20:35
  Anthony Rodriguez: I even upsold her.
• 1:20:36
  Anthony Rodriguez: On the upsold, like, I convinced her that she needed interviews done like professional interviews.
• 1:20:44
  Anthony Rodriguez: So that was an extra 2000 on top of whatever I was already doing.
• 1:20:48
  Anthony Rodriguez: So it was.
• 1:20:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: It ended up becoming a big package and she was paying it off after very slowly, like she would randomly give me a 2000 or she randomly gave me like $3,000.
• 1:21:05
  Anthony Rodriguez: Okay, I'm like, oh, cool, awesome, bro.
• 1:21:08
  Anthony Rodriguez: I never heard from her again.
• 1:21:09
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's been like it's been like eight months, wow, no, no, no.
• 1:21:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, it's been eight months and I reached out multiple times there.
• 1:21:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: There were some times where she would say, yeah, I'm paying, I'm, I'm gonna pay you today.
• 1:21:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, didn't happen, I'm gonna pay you.
• 1:21:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, in two days.
• 1:21:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, didn't happen, I'm gonna pay you this.
• 1:21:30
  Vipul Bindra: Like that's happened, like at least she's communicating now, because sounds like she can ghost you on the phone too yeah, well, I have, yeah, I have like connections to her whole network at this point yeah, I'm like integrated.
• 1:21:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: So like you can't run from me, but like, but, uh, I don't have a lawyer, so I'm gonna.
• 1:21:48
  Anthony Rodriguez: Well, now, now I do.
• 1:21:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: But, um, so this last conversation, uh, before she was, literally she sent me a screenshot and she, cause, she randomly sent me the money.
• 1:22:01
  Anthony Rodriguez: It wasn't like I asked for it, she did it on a random day, so I don't know.
• 1:22:04
  Anthony Rodriguez: There's probably a bunch of stuff happening.
• 1:22:05
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't know those situations.
• 1:22:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: But she sent me a screenshot of her Zell, like trying to Zell me, and it said could not like send money, whatever?
• 1:22:17
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, and I'm like what?
• 1:22:20
  Anthony Rodriguez: She's like I'm going to try to figure it out, I'm going to get to the house and then I'm going to send you the rest of the payment.
• 1:22:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: This was like three weeks ago and, uh, she didn't respond, she didn't send the payment.
• 1:22:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: I messaged her the next day.
• 1:22:32
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm like what happened?
• 1:22:33
  Anthony Rodriguez: She's like, oh, I accidentally sent it to my landlord, who's also named Anthony.
• 1:22:46
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like what, whatever At this point the amount of hours, like we were talking about time earlier the amount of time you spent on just trying to recover this payment is crazy.
• 1:22:53
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's crazy.
• 1:22:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I sent her a whole text message that was just like hey, this needs to be done by the end of the year.
• 1:22:59
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, I ended up doing my taxes.
• 1:23:02
  Anthony Rodriguez: I made a lot more money than I thought I did.
• 1:23:03
  Anthony Rodriguez: It'd be better to defer the payment to this year because I'm not an escort.
• 1:23:08
  Anthony Rodriguez: Now I'm an escort, but like before I wasn't.
• 1:23:10
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I'm like, oh you know, it's probably a good thing, it's probably god or something, like not wanting me to pay all the taxes on that.
• 1:23:18
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I deferred it to this year.
• 1:23:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: I sent her a text message on the first and I was like hey, I know you didn't.
• 1:23:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: She didn't pay.
• 1:23:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: She didn't even reach out to pay.
• 1:23:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: She's like I'm going to pay by the 31st.
• 1:23:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: I reached, I reached out and I was like if this does not get paid by the first week of January, I'm going to send you to collections.
• 1:23:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: You're going to pay the attorney fees and late fees.
• 1:23:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: I was like I don't know.
• 1:23:46
  Vipul Bindra: All right, so you're waiting on it, let's see.
• 1:23:47
  Vipul Bindra: Well, yeah, so that's crazy.
• 1:23:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: But if I had a contract, it'd be a lot easier to win that case honestly.
• 1:23:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: So, I don't know how I'm going to win it.
• 1:23:54
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:23:54
  Vipul Bindra: But if I pay enough money, yeah I mean, that's how it works, right, it's the person with the bigger stick wins.
• 1:23:59
  Vipul Bindra: But that's exactly what I'm talking about.
• 1:24:02
  Vipul Bindra: It's the power of contracts.
• 1:24:04
  Vipul Bindra: I personally would never work without a contract.
• 1:24:09
  Vipul Bindra: Now here's the other side of it.
• 1:24:11
  Vipul Bindra: To be real, I do help other buddies with DP stuff and stuff.
• 1:24:15
  Vipul Bindra: Now, that's different.
• 1:24:16
  Vipul Bindra: If you were like, if we'll come DP this project?
• 1:24:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't need a contract for that.
• 1:24:20
  Vipul Bindra: Like I'm going to come help you out.
• 1:24:21
  Vipul Bindra: You're going to pay me.
• 1:24:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: We're done Like we don't need contract for that and you could ruin my life if I didn't pay you.
• 1:24:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: But I'm not going.
• 1:24:28
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, no, no.
• 1:24:40
  Vipul Bindra: And it's.
• 1:24:40
  Vipul Bindra: It's okay because that's just a simple day rate thing.
• 1:24:41
  Vipul Bindra: But now, when you're doing deliverables, when you own their assets, when you own their video, when you own their I don't know the raw files and you own the deliverables and stuff, I think it's very important to define specialty deliverables Because, like I said, clients will come back and say I've had this happen.
• 1:24:54
  Vipul Bindra: So I did like a live stream a year ago, whatever where I offered them a live stream a year ago, whatever the where, um, I offered them, you know, to live stream the event and then give them a copy of the video.
• 1:25:03
  Vipul Bindra: That was the the simple deal.
• 1:25:05
  Vipul Bindra: But then I was like, hey, here on the top of that, uh, we can make you an incredible recap and we make great recap videos and the good thing is when we're already out there, it's not that much for me to make a recap video, so I'm like, hey, we're gonna be already out there, yeah exactly right, um, and maybe getting a few extra shots that normally we wouldn't get.
• 1:25:21
  Vipul Bindra: But again, no, no extra human cost, you know yeah, so anyway, I was like, hey, let me make this uh recap video and it's gonna be very useful because you're gonna remember this event forever yeah right.
• 1:25:33
  Vipul Bindra: And then they wanted a teleprompter, both thing.
• 1:25:35
  Vipul Bindra: They said no.
• 1:25:36
  Vipul Bindra: They said, uh, because I, because you know you need a teleprompter operator, it's a live event, you can't just have one of those other teleprompters anyway.
• 1:25:44
  Vipul Bindra: So I said okay, and then they rejected the teleprompter because they didn't like the person cost and equipment cost was fine, uh, and I was like, okay, well, that's fine.
• 1:25:52
  Vipul Bindra: Then they said we'll get our own teleprompter.
• 1:25:53
  Vipul Bindra: And then, uh, the other thing they said was, yeah, we don't want the recap video because we don't want to take this cost, all done.
• 1:26:00
  Vipul Bindra: Guess what went without a hiccup?
• 1:26:02
  Vipul Bindra: The live stream, perfectly fine, they loved it.
• 1:26:04
  Vipul Bindra: Guess what didn't work?
• 1:26:05
  Vipul Bindra: The teleprompter they bought on Amazon, anyway.
• 1:26:10
  Vipul Bindra: So they had to like the whole thing was a disaster because they had to, like now, read off paper or ipads.
• 1:26:15
  Vipul Bindra: You know, whatever done, the event is done, that the response is incredible.
• 1:26:19
  Vipul Bindra: After the event they emailed me that this was the you know incredible live stream.
• 1:26:23
  Vipul Bindra: Our audience loved it.
• 1:26:24
  Vipul Bindra: Blah, blah, blah.
• 1:26:25
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, when are we getting the recap video?
• 1:26:27
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, uh, hey, you guys didn't pick recap video.
• 1:26:31
  Vipul Bindra: They said we're sure we did.
• 1:26:32
  Vipul Bindra: Here's a copy of the agreement.
• 1:26:35
  Vipul Bindra: It helps a lot.
• 1:26:36
  Vipul Bindra: I said, yeah, I wanted to really make it.
• 1:26:38
  Vipul Bindra: I was excited about it genuinely and I'm like but you didn't pick it.
• 1:26:41
  Vipul Bindra: Here's the contract, here's the option that you didn't check and you didn't pay me for the cost yeah you know, what I mean that what ended up happening?
• 1:26:48
  Anthony Rodriguez: nothing, that's it.
• 1:26:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: They said there's no, no, yeah, okay because they, they, there's no nothing.
• 1:26:53
  Vipul Bindra: The argument that's what they did.
• 1:26:54
  Vipul Bindra: Same thing when I was talking about payment terms.
• 1:26:56
  Vipul Bindra: That happened.
• 1:26:56
  Vipul Bindra: I was like look, here's your contract.
• 1:26:58
  Vipul Bindra: You're not supposed to pay me whenever you want to.
• 1:27:00
  Vipul Bindra: You're supposed to pay me when you sign.
• 1:27:02
  Vipul Bindra: It is what it is, you know yeah and if you don't pay me, we're not gonna be filling your event, you know yeah yeah, what it is, I mean yeah so I mean, yeah, well, we'll talk after this.
• 1:27:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: I need I need some like contract templates and stuff.
• 1:27:17
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh yeah, I was thinking about getting like an ironclad tense thing, but I don't know.
• 1:27:22
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, at the end it's a negotiation.
• 1:27:24
  Vipul Bindra: My advice is and we can like say, talk off this.
• 1:27:26
  Vipul Bindra: What I suggest to people is nowadays we have access to chat, gpd and stuff like that is just go in there and generate something like give it obviously details the type of work you do do and you'll get a good template out of it.
• 1:27:38
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, don't use that again, not legal advice.
• 1:27:40
  Vipul Bindra: I would then take that to an attorney and be like hey, this is what I have now.
• 1:27:44
  Vipul Bindra: Can you find loopholes and stuff and or fix this or make this legally, because you know they have to be able to defend you with it too, so so, so they need to check it and and I'm pretty sure I would not use a just chat gpt you want it to go to a real attorney, who, who's familiar with litigation.
• 1:28:01
  Vipul Bindra: All that because that again hire experts the whole point of this is you want to be an expert in video, then please hire experts in other fields.
• 1:28:09
  Vipul Bindra: Don't cheap out, you know.
• 1:28:10
  Anthony Rodriguez: Otherwise the result is not gonna be good because like you're still learning that yeah, and and to be real, most people don't even care.
• 1:28:17
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, we do it every day and I hate that.
• 1:28:20
  Vipul Bindra: About everything Like software, you know, you just check, accept terms and conditions and then you know who knows what you're signing your life away to.
• 1:28:26
  Vipul Bindra: But people are so used to accepting terms and conditions at this point it's not that big of a deal in my opinion.
• 1:28:32
  Vipul Bindra: The only time time here's the thing I and I work with very small to very large companies never had issues.
• 1:28:38
  Vipul Bindra: The only time contract issue ever even comes is government.
• 1:28:41
  Vipul Bindra: I work with a lot of state-owned universities, state governments, and they will always have a state attorney and who will go in.
• 1:28:48
  Vipul Bindra: And the biggest thing that they remove or want to negotiate on is liability.
• 1:28:52
  Vipul Bindra: They're like we're a government of united states, of florida.
• 1:28:54
  Vipul Bindra: We cannot be held liable for anything or something, something, something.
• 1:28:58
  Vipul Bindra: And at that point I'm just like I'm gonna let, because usually those are bigger contracts, I'm gonna let the lawyers handle it.
• 1:29:05
  Vipul Bindra: It's not, it's beyond me.
• 1:29:07
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, okay, here's this, here's this at that point somewhere.
• 1:29:10
  Vipul Bindra: But there's an advantage now, at least for some of the universities I worked with we have a vetted already contract.
• 1:29:16
  Vipul Bindra: We're a vendor.
• 1:29:17
  Vipul Bindra: It's a given and speeds up the process.
• 1:29:20
  Vipul Bindra: So much Cause I I use that contract that has been edited and filtered out for them.
• 1:29:24
  Vipul Bindra: It makes it a lot faster, cause now I already have one I'm like, and I know the attorneys agreed on it so, but I'm saying that's the only time I'm willing to like, because again it's the government they're gonna pay their bills.
• 1:29:35
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so I'm not as worried about it, you know what are you gonna do?
• 1:29:39
  Anthony Rodriguez: send them to collection?
• 1:29:40
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's like good, I'm just sending a government entity to the collection yeah, but I've never had that.
• 1:29:46
  Vipul Bindra: Now they're slow, but that's and that's the only time I'll do net 30, net 60, whatever.
• 1:29:51
  Vipul Bindra: I'm okay with that because again, I don't know about other people I trust governments to pay, that's.
• 1:29:57
  Vipul Bindra: I've never had that default so I'm not worried about it.
• 1:29:59
  Vipul Bindra: But any private company signing the agreement it is what it is it has late fees.
• 1:30:04
  Vipul Bindra: I've never had to charge late fees, but again because I don't even show up until they sign it.
• 1:30:10
  Vipul Bindra: And then the other thing is kill fees.
• 1:30:12
  Vipul Bindra: To me that's very important.
• 1:30:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: A lot of people don't think about it.
• 1:30:15
  Vipul Bindra: I had that happen with a buddy, which it was a buddy, so it wasn't a big deal.
• 1:30:18
  Anthony Rodriguez: That was part of this client's.
• 1:30:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh, really, it was a cancellation.
• 1:30:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: They canceled on the day before to fly out.
• 1:30:24
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's not acceptable because you've blocked that day out and my thing is obviously things change.
• 1:30:29
  Vipul Bindra: I want to be reasonable, but at some point it's like it's too late and you gotta have kill fees.
• 1:30:40
  Vipul Bindra: So one, but again, I find most people when they have kill fees in the contract.
• 1:30:42
  Vipul Bindra: They don't want to cancel the the thing I had had.
• 1:30:43
  Vipul Bindra: Same thing.
• 1:30:44
  Vipul Bindra: I was helping a buddy, uh, on a shoot, like I was gonna be a gaffer or whatever.
• 1:30:48
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm literally and I prepped the whole date before like I've already done the work, you know I loaded, I showed up and I'm literally pulling into the venue, like here's me turning into this to where we're filming, and he's leaving and I see him.
• 1:31:01
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like what's happening?
• 1:31:02
  Vipul Bindra: Like he's waving at me and he's like, dude, uh, the person's not okay with us filming in there.
• 1:31:07
  Vipul Bindra: It was like a documentary type of thing.
• 1:31:08
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like what, the team, whoever scheduled this, didn't vet them, which is fine.
• 1:31:13
  Vipul Bindra: Not, he was obviously very disappointed.
• 1:31:15
  Vipul Bindra: But at at that point I'm like, well, I'm here, you know what I mean.
• 1:31:19
  Vipul Bindra: Like I better get paid because I made the effort.
• 1:31:21
  Vipul Bindra: I'm literally at the location, I spent all the time prepping, but of course he's a buddy on the other side.
• 1:31:27
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like look, if it's your own cost, I don't know.
• 1:31:29
  Vipul Bindra: At that point I didn't know what the I was.
• 1:31:32
  Vipul Bindra: Like I again, that's okay, it's not that big of a.
• 1:31:34
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, but obviously it's a client.
• 1:31:36
  Vipul Bindra: If it's a company, then no, like you got to pay me again they have to pay me yeah, but, and that's why it's so important to have contracts and things like that- yeah in place anyway.
• 1:31:44
  Vipul Bindra: Um, all right, let's move on to the next topic, my friend doing it oh my gosh, that's what's.
• 1:31:49
  Vipul Bindra: It's already been an hour and a half.
• 1:31:51
  Vipul Bindra: We haven't even freaking my camera's dying oh really do.
• 1:31:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: You know it's funny.
• 1:31:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: My, my, uh.
• 1:31:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I'm filming content right now for my own thing.
• 1:31:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: I try to like difference between youtubers.
• 1:32:01
  Vipul Bindra: Other people just came sat down and talk and you're like, hey, where can I put a camera?
• 1:32:04
  Anthony Rodriguez: yeah, I'm like, I'm like trying to, because it this is your, you might say something good, you know yeah, I mean, hey, I'm happy for you to get content out of it, why not?
• 1:32:14
  Vipul Bindra: and um so, my camera's dying.
• 1:32:16
  Anthony Rodriguez: Well, it's gonna die yeah yeah, sorry, this is live.
• 1:32:19
  Vipul Bindra: There's no stopping, there's no changing.
• 1:32:20
  Vipul Bindra: Do you know what?
• 1:32:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: happened the the?
• 1:32:23
  Anthony Rodriguez: I hate wireless mics oh I've had issues with the freaking.
• 1:32:27
  Vipul Bindra: Which one is the?
• 1:32:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: dgi.
• 1:32:28
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, it's stuck.
• 1:32:29
  Vipul Bindra: It did disconnected halfway through oh, my goodness, is it at least internally?
• 1:32:33
  Vipul Bindra: I just recorded.
• 1:32:34
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, so whenever I remember when I pulled something out of my pocket that was me noticing it didn't record and I was like dink, and here's the good thing.
• 1:32:41
  Vipul Bindra: I do want to talk about this.
• 1:32:42
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm very much about using the right tools for the right job.
• 1:32:45
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:32:46
  Vipul Bindra: And so I own, you know, kostink and Kost11Ds, because those are the, I think, the standard lav mics that people should use and and then you know Shep's microphones, good Sennheiser microphones, but at the end of the day.
• 1:33:01
  Vipul Bindra: Here's what we also use, which is a funny contrast Rode Pro 2, or Rode Wireless Pros or whatever, and it's so funny.
• 1:33:06
  Vipul Bindra: On one hand you can know it's probably one of the most expensive mics, like the C-Met 5U.
• 1:33:10
  Vipul Bindra: And then now here it is A couple hundred dollars, you know, or what $300, $400, whatever the price of the road wireless pros is.
• 1:33:17
  Vipul Bindra: But there's a right tool for the right job.
• 1:33:22
  Vipul Bindra: Whenever conferences we have to get you know, otfs on the fly, interviews, and we cannot have time, especially these people in their massive gowns.
• 1:33:31
  Vipul Bindra: We don't have time or the energy or, like I said, the manpower and willingness of these clients, especially there to the guests, to go run wires and and all that and plus we need a quick soundbite.
• 1:33:42
  Vipul Bindra: So road wireless pros are these djis would be great for that.
• 1:33:46
  Vipul Bindra: Because, uh, because you can quickly use a magnet, and I'm trying testing out the new lark m2s too, because they're so much tinier, um but anyway, they just came out with the ones what m3s?
• 1:33:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: m2s dude I just got m2 I'll show them to you after this.
• 1:34:03
  Anthony Rodriguez: See, this is the thing like just talk to talk to your youtuber friend anyway, but I'm texting because they were.
• 1:34:10
  Vipul Bindra: They were around and I was like, oh, this is smaller.
• 1:34:12
  Vipul Bindra: But the thing I liked about wireless pros was they were also recording 32 bit float internally and my main thing was, you know, it's live event transmission, whatever.
• 1:34:22
  Vipul Bindra: So anyway, it's not that the quality is the same, it's just it's the right tool for the right job.
• 1:34:28
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I don't think, uh, they're actually pretty good, yeah, and I mean surprising yeah surprisingly good.
• 1:34:32
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously I wouldn't compare it to like a cost 11d with a electro or some deity or whatever some kind of transmitter system, but I do think for what it is it's incredible and for a job like uh conferences, I think it is uh incredibly powerful tool.
• 1:34:48
  Vipul Bindra: Do you have any equipment like that?
• 1:34:49
  Vipul Bindra: You say it's considered lower budget, but in a professional world it can actually be useful Because that Justin over he's making a full living from just an Osmo, osmo Pocket 3.
• 1:35:02
  Vipul Bindra: Like his entire, he's making six figures Justin Mark.
• 1:35:06
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, justin, the guy who does the Kel-Tec stuff, you know.
• 1:35:10
  Vipul Bindra: No, anyway, he was at the event.
• 1:35:13
  Vipul Bindra: But what I'm saying is he's oh yes, oh Justin, yes yes, but what he's doing is he is making a six-figure living, making videos with osmobocket 3.
• 1:35:23
  Vipul Bindra: Isn't that crazy, yeah?
• 1:35:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: that's his camera of choice, because I am thinking about social media so like my, my, I think.
• 1:35:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: Well, actually my cameras, my cameras are not expensive.
• 1:35:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: I I use Lumix S5 IIs.
• 1:35:39
  Anthony Rodriguez: I could get those used for like $1,100.
• 1:35:42
  Vipul Bindra: What's their love with Lumix?
• 1:35:43
  Vipul Bindra: Now, as somebody who loved, by the way, gh4 Revolutionary, that's, made me so I started with Canon T4i, whatever, whatever, and before that was tape, and then I switched to GH4 because it was in first 4K.
• 1:35:54
  Vipul Bindra: It was such a massive jump and I went to that system with that sigma 18 to 35.
• 1:36:01
  Vipul Bindra: You know that was a killer combo with the metabones anyway, uh, but then obviously I left and then I went to gh5s or whatever for a while and then I went to c200 and never looked back.
• 1:36:11
  Vipul Bindra: But you're still using, uh, obviously, lumix cameras different than what I was using.
• 1:36:15
  Vipul Bindra: What's your love with lumix cameras and why?
• 1:36:18
  Anthony Rodriguez: I mean, I'm a, I'm a new lumix shooter, probably like a year and a half maybe.
• 1:36:23
  Anthony Rodriguez: Maybe not two years yet it'll be two years in april but the image, the image is great.
• 1:36:30
  Anthony Rodriguez: The autofocus is pretty good.
• 1:36:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: I mean, it didn't miss until it died, but um, the autofocus is pretty good.
• 1:36:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: Way more video features than any sony mirrorless camera or canon or any other one but start shooting starting controversy yeah, open gate, yeah well what do you?
• 1:36:52
  Vipul Bindra: use.
• 1:36:52
  Vipul Bindra: See here's another thing.
• 1:36:54
  Vipul Bindra: As somebody um you know who's doing client work, do you actually use open gate?
• 1:36:59
  Vipul Bindra: All the time huh, you're the first one, so what?
• 1:37:03
  Vipul Bindra: What's the?
• 1:37:04
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, how are you finding extra use out of?
• 1:37:06
  Vipul Bindra: I get more vertical resolution so you're trying to make both vertical and horizontal.
• 1:37:10
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, so right there I can use it for horizontal and I could actually.
• 1:37:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: This is a.
• 1:37:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: This is me confessing.
• 1:37:17
  Anthony Rodriguez: I did not shoot an open gate.
• 1:37:18
  Anthony Rodriguez: No, like, I noticed it halfway through this and I could actually.
• 1:37:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: This is a.
• 1:37:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: This is me confessing I did not shoot an open gate now like I noticed it halfway through this and I'm like oh no, I can't get up I was like I can't do anything at this point.
• 1:37:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: But uh, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
• 1:37:30
  Anthony Rodriguez: I use it for client stuff um the ibis is the best ibis that I'll give it to you.
• 1:37:37
  Vipul Bindra: GH5 was a really good IBIS back in the day whenever I had it.
• 1:37:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's so freaking good.
• 1:37:43
  Anthony Rodriguez: So when I'm shooting, I shoot handheld a lot of times.
• 1:37:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: I just it helps me keep it small and the image is reliable.
• 1:37:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I'm not trying to like dig at, but like every time I had Sony, I always like cameras that just look different.
• 1:38:00
  Anthony Rodriguez: They're organic.
• 1:38:00
  Vipul Bindra: That's why I loved the c70 it was just oh yeah, that's one of my favorite images it was just a beautiful image and I was really snobby about that stuff.
• 1:38:10
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, I'm not snobby, I was just particular like I would use sony cameras all the time and I'm like shadows on the C70.
• 1:38:18
  Vipul Bindra: And that's why, when C80 came out, people were like are you going to switch back?
• 1:38:21
  Vipul Bindra: I was like A no, because the demand is for Sony.
• 1:38:23
  Vipul Bindra: So obviously I'm making business decisions I don't care about.
• 1:38:28
  Vipul Bindra: You know, sony, canon, whatever.
• 1:38:29
  Vipul Bindra: And then B, the truth being is the C80, again goes great, camera, whatever.
• 1:38:35
  Vipul Bindra: Fixed a bunch of problems I had with the C70.
• 1:38:37
  Vipul Bindra: But c80, again goes great, camera, whatever.
• 1:38:39
  Vipul Bindra: Fixed a bunch of problems I had with the c70.
• 1:38:40
  Vipul Bindra: But what it didn't fix is it now doesn't have the djo sensor.
• 1:38:41
  Vipul Bindra: And the reason I like with c70 wasn't the form factor, whatever, it was literally that image.
• 1:38:46
  Vipul Bindra: It's the closest thing I've seen to an alexa.
• 1:38:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, without paying alexa, yeah yeah, and I had a komodo at the time, so I used to have a c70 komodo or red komodo and the image was like pretty close, like both of them.
• 1:39:00
  Anthony Rodriguez: You know, the komodo image is great.
• 1:39:01
  Anthony Rodriguez: I love the komodo image.
• 1:39:02
  Anthony Rodriguez: I think it looks great, uh.
• 1:39:04
  Anthony Rodriguez: But then I got a lumix s52 at the same time and I use them all in conjunction and I was like, oh, oh, this is good this is a really, this is a really good image and yeah, it was a little bit more digital than I'd like it to be, but I can easily fix that with digital diffusion or just some.
• 1:39:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's so easy to fix that.
• 1:39:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: But it just looked good and the dynamic range.
• 1:39:29
  Anthony Rodriguez: It just had a lot of hole in the shadows and the highlights and I'm like this.
• 1:39:35
  Anthony Rodriguez: I can rely on this.
• 1:39:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: I can trust this image.
• 1:39:38
  Vipul Bindra: So here's what I want to talk next, and I'm like this, I can rely on this, I can trust this.
• 1:39:40
  Vipul Bindra: So here's what I want to talk next.
• 1:39:40
  Vipul Bindra: Then that and I'm glad you like it, because at the end day, initially when I started, I was client you know, direct client only and I quickly realized camera doesn't matter, right, it's what you want to use to get the result that they want.
• 1:39:52
  Vipul Bindra: But then, when I started working with the agencies, I realized camera does matter because you, you know the requirements and then rules and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:39:59
  Vipul Bindra: Coming back to you, have you seen any camera perception issue?
• 1:40:04
  Vipul Bindra: Because, let's be real, client may not know Lumix from Sony, from whatever, but guess what?
• 1:40:09
  Vipul Bindra: They do know Size, right.
• 1:40:12
  Vipul Bindra: So obviously these are tiny little cameras.
• 1:40:14
  Vipul Bindra: So do you like to build it out?
• 1:40:15
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying, is it necessary?
• 1:40:16
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously these are tiny, I can build it out.
• 1:40:17
  Vipul Bindra: So do you like to build it out?
• 1:40:14
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying is it necessary?
• 1:40:15
  Vipul Bindra: Have you find at least your clients, especially the ones that are paying eight, 10, 12, 15, 30 K?
• 1:40:21
  Vipul Bindra: Do they care or do they not care?
• 1:40:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: So a lot of my, so I I do three months worth of content in one day, which is like a.
• 1:40:29
  Anthony Rodriguez: I shoot for one day and I make to $15,000 and which is like nuts.
• 1:40:35
  Anthony Rodriguez: And then the back ends editing costs and on the front end it's a pre-production, a lot of pre-production.
• 1:40:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, um, so that stuff, social media nobody cares.
• 1:40:46
  Anthony Rodriguez: Nobody cares about that stuff.
• 1:40:48
  Anthony Rodriguez: When I have a high paying, like one off, which I do have a couple, um, they care, they care, and especially if, if it's somebody that's like, oh man, this is a lot and I'm like I've never paid this much money or whatever the heck, then I want to show up with a fully rigged camera one.
• 1:41:09
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's easier, it makes my life easier in the sense of like I don't have
• 1:41:11
  Anthony Rodriguez: to switch batteries and all that stuff so you'll build it out, you'll put rails on it and madbox and vmount, vmount and all that, all that stuff.
• 1:41:18
  Vipul Bindra: But so you'll build it out, you'll put rails on in my box and the v?
• 1:41:19
  Vipul Bindra: Mounts and whatever and all that.
• 1:41:20
  Anthony Rodriguez: Okay, all that junk, but I yeah, it matters then, um, but I also have a ronin 4d that I bring for those shoots and that's a monster.
• 1:41:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, that looks like a chicken yeah, exactly they have that little head thing and they just they, uh yeah, that, that's a talking point itself oh yeah, they're.
• 1:41:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: They're always like whoa what is that?
• 1:41:43
  Anthony Rodriguez: Like I'll be shooting a conference or something and everyone's like yeah they should make like a like an instagram reel where everyone's like oh like watching something, or anyways.
• 1:41:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, no, it's cool.
• 1:41:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: So which one do you like better?
• 1:41:57
  Vipul Bindra: so what's your preference?
• 1:41:58
  Vipul Bindra: You like the, the ones where you have to, you know, build your rig out or whatever or social media, where you know you don't have to do that.
• 1:42:06
  Vipul Bindra: No, I just like showing up.
• 1:42:08
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, you just like showing up, you'll make anything I like showing up with a tiny little tiny camera yeah, tiny little camera.
• 1:42:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: Uh, it's not the smallest thing, but just getting the job done, like I don't even.
• 1:42:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't have crazy primes.
• 1:42:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, I, I the only primes I have.
• 1:42:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: I actually have like ours, which are nice.
• 1:42:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm trying to sell them but, but um, the only primes I have are anamorphic.
• 1:42:35
  Anthony Rodriguez: I shoot with the zoom lens.
• 1:42:36
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's just 24 to 70.
• 1:42:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: That's all Like I don't need anything.
• 1:42:39
  Anthony Rodriguez: I can make the image look nice on the backend, you know.
• 1:42:43
  Vipul Bindra: And and you're also trying to innovate, so things that I've noticed watching your videos now that I am subscribed, uh, that, thank you.
• 1:42:50
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, of course.
• 1:42:51
  Vipul Bindra: Hey, I want to watch, I want to learn, that's my.
• 1:42:54
  Vipul Bindra: I'm obsessed with this stuff, right, yeah, so I I want to learn.
• 1:42:57
  Vipul Bindra: So here's something I knew, I noticed.
• 1:42:59
  Vipul Bindra: So I was very bullish in, you know, 360 cameras years ago when they came out.
• 1:43:04
  Vipul Bindra: But then I had an Insta360, I think it was like X or whatever, the first one, the one X, whatever and then I kind of didn't find a use.
• 1:43:11
  Vipul Bindra: The only use I found initially was location scouting, because you know, I don't have to like look around, I just walk around and then in the, when I go home, I can actually 360 it and be like, oh, what was that, that corner or that corner?
• 1:43:24
  Vipul Bindra: But then eventually I did that a couple times.
• 1:43:26
  Vipul Bindra: I was like you know what, this is not necessary, and I obviously sold it, uh.
• 1:43:30
  Vipul Bindra: But then now you know, looking at you, you were actually very you know using 360 cameras in your shoots.
• 1:43:37
  Vipul Bindra: So a what, what makes you want to use them?
• 1:43:39
  Vipul Bindra: And just tell me your process.
• 1:43:43
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I there's a lot, a lot of other people that are doing this nowadays, so I'm trying to find out things that are like different, and there are a couple of people that I've seen them do certain shots like crazy hyperlapses and like adding emotion and blah blah, like it's like this whole thing, and I'm like, oh my gosh, that's cool.
• 1:44:03
  Anthony Rodriguez: How do they do that?
• 1:44:04
  Anthony Rodriguez: And then I found out it was a 360 camera, so that that's why I wanted to add it, and I've gotten great feedback from my clients on the fact that, okay, these shots look different.
• 1:44:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: They're like can I?
• 1:44:16
  Anthony Rodriguez: Get those shots, I'm like, yeah, it's an extra 500 bucks.
• 1:44:18
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly there you go, hey, extra revenue but now here's the other side of it that worries me.
• 1:44:23
  Vipul Bindra: So in my experience, as somebody's tried everything right, I've tried making fancy transitions and whatever the trending thing then was.
• 1:44:30
  Vipul Bindra: But here's what I found.
• 1:44:32
  Vipul Bindra: My client at least for me, my clients love making content that lasts them years to come, and what worries me about that is it looks good now because it's trending.
• 1:44:40
  Vipul Bindra: It's cool in three years.
• 1:44:41
  Vipul Bindra: What if this is not cool or it's been overdone or whatever?
• 1:44:44
  Vipul Bindra: And then the content is not going to be evergreen or whatever, and um, so anyway.
• 1:44:50
  Vipul Bindra: So that's why I haven't used any of that.
• 1:44:51
  Vipul Bindra: But I did see your shots and I'm like, yeah, that's actually innovative, that's cool do you have?
• 1:44:56
  Vipul Bindra: any thing with that?
• 1:44:57
  Vipul Bindra: What if that's?
• 1:44:57
  Vipul Bindra: Like reservations yeah, or just in general it starts to look dated because you know now it's been used.
• 1:45:02
  Vipul Bindra: Not now, but yeah, yeah so it's been overused I, I'm not.
• 1:45:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm not sure, because I do think it's um, it's fairly timeless.
• 1:45:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: Obviously, if you do it a little too intense, it'll be too much, but they used hyperlapses back then.
• 1:45:20
  Anthony Rodriguez: They just didn't look that good.
• 1:45:22
  Vipul Bindra: Now it just looks better.
• 1:45:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's more seamless and stylish.
• 1:45:27
  Vipul Bindra: I like that.
• 1:45:27
  Vipul Bindra: You can do it with this tiny camera and a stick.
• 1:45:29
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you just get a stick.
• 1:45:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: I also use it for drone stuff.
• 1:45:32
  Anthony Rodriguez: If I can't fly a drone, I'll just pretend it's a drone I'll just and just like pretend it's a drum um, but no, I'm not too concerned is it too unwieldy when you're at that height?
• 1:45:42
  Anthony Rodriguez: No, no, it's just a stick.
• 1:45:44
  Vipul Bindra: I gotta, I gotta, come test that out it's just a stick.
• 1:45:47
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, you're just coming around.
• 1:45:49
  Vipul Bindra: I was like hey the only other guy I've met.
• 1:45:51
  Vipul Bindra: So I am usually the guy who is who's all the gear you are.
• 1:45:55
  Vipul Bindra: I think the second guy would be like if I don't have anything I know, so who the guy who does you know?
• 1:46:01
  Anthony Rodriguez: but, uh, yeah, I mean it's, it's, it's pretty simple to use, um, it's just a little time consuming.
• 1:46:09
  Anthony Rodriguez: So, like on like one of my youtube videos, I'm just like walking around and it was literally a four minute clip where I'm taking slow steps around the thing and sometimes I usually just send my assistant, like when we were actually shooting during the event, I was like, oh hey, camera one, you could lock off, get it on wide manual focus, set the focus.
• 1:46:30
  Anthony Rodriguez: Can you grab the, the inset, 360 the stick and just do a really slow walk, make sure the bulb is towards the center of the stage and then, uh, yeah, then I got the shot.
• 1:46:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I don't even film it, but it's cool.
• 1:46:44
  Anthony Rodriguez: I do think it'll be timeless in the sense of, uh, the way you do it, if it's too much and weird and tacky, then there's a lot of, there's a lot of marketing that that has stuff right now.
• 1:46:57
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no, it is very popular and, like I said, I liked it watching your video and I don't do it for every client.
• 1:47:03
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I definitely don't do it, so that is definitely an add-on.
• 1:47:05
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, and well, yes, but not every client.
• 1:47:10
  Anthony Rodriguez: That style fits clients.
• 1:47:12
  Anthony Rodriguez: It fits speakers really well.
• 1:47:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: It fits events.
• 1:47:16
  Anthony Rodriguez: It fits events perfectly, perfectly.
• 1:47:18
  Vipul Bindra: That doesn't need to be evergreen either, because it's events so you are more and again, you don't have to tell us anything.
• 1:47:23
  Vipul Bindra: You, you know about a product that's not released yet, but I want to know more.
• 1:47:26
  Vipul Bindra: Um, what do you see where the industry goes?
• 1:47:30
  Vipul Bindra: What type of products are going to come out to help us?
• 1:47:32
  Vipul Bindra: What do you see happening this year, in 2025, 2025?
• 1:47:36
  Anthony Rodriguez: Just with everything.
• 1:47:36
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, just in general.
• 1:47:37
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, um, so I think I think the industry as a whole is getting more compact.
• 1:47:46
  Anthony Rodriguez: Everything lights, cameras, lenses, like the different iterations of lenses are slightly sharper but smaller, like everything's just smaller, more compact.
• 1:47:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I just smaller, more compact.
• 1:48:00
  Anthony Rodriguez: I do think the industry is moving more towards content creation or focusing.
• 1:48:04
  Anthony Rodriguez: Bigger companies are focusing on content creation.
• 1:48:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: Obviously there's a cinema aspect, but even the cinema aspect lights are getting smaller and brighter.
• 1:48:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: Brighter Flags are getting more collapsible quicker quicker.
• 1:48:18
  Anthony Rodriguez: I think speed.
• 1:48:19
  Anthony Rodriguez: All this stuff is there.
• 1:48:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: There's not huge there's.
• 1:48:23
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'd still see a necessity for larger crews, but also people are doing it on their own and smaller crews.
• 1:48:33
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I think companies are realizing that they're seeing that at the end of the day, it's money like people are.
• 1:48:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: These companies are trying to make more money, so yeah, there was the highest cost, so yeah, yeah so these content creators or these one-man bands or three-man bands, whatever they're trying to sell to them.
• 1:48:49
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I do see that being a thing, obviously I.
• 1:48:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: I think the best camera out there that's going to come out is it's not the client, I would have answered that, but I think the best camera.
• 1:49:03
  Anthony Rodriguez: I hope that DJI comes out with a 4D mini.
• 1:49:08
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I don't know why they couldn't and it would be successful.
• 1:49:11
  Vipul Bindra: Well, they're having current issues just bringing their products into the country.
• 1:49:14
  Anthony Rodriguez: The drone yeah.
• 1:49:16
  Vipul Bindra: But they could easily make you know like you.
• 1:49:20
  Vipul Bindra: You said a 4d without just the gimbal part.
• 1:49:22
  Vipul Bindra: I think that would sell or even a tiny one, just make a smaller 4d yeah, that's 4k really good yeah and just has like a crispy image, like and then I'm pretty sure again I don't want to.
• 1:49:33
  Vipul Bindra: I'm pretty sure they buy their sensors from sony so they could easily source the fx3 or the fx6 sensor and put that into a into a mini 4d or whatever I think, it would sell.
• 1:49:44
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I was at first like yes, it's a one trick pony, but after having seen you use it, I was like you know what?
• 1:49:49
  Vipul Bindra: I see it?
• 1:49:50
  Vipul Bindra: A purpose, but it would need to have an a and b to complement it.
• 1:49:54
  Vipul Bindra: It would make a good c camera, as long as we can get one without the gimbals and I think, um, they just need to, and maybe they are.
• 1:50:01
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, we, we don't know, obviously I, I, it does make sense because everyone liked those cameras.
• 1:50:06
  Anthony Rodriguez: They're the apple they're the apple of the camera industry.
• 1:50:09
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm telling you so after using that camera, the, the menu system, the integration, how everything just works.
• 1:50:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: There there's the best.
• 1:50:18
  Vipul Bindra: Even the LiDAR autofocus they came out with the LiDAR is cool.
• 1:50:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: They need to get things better, they need to get it together, I mean at least they are somewhat, I see starting to show up on main sets.
• 1:50:30
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I'm very bullish on like Teradek, for example.
• 1:50:32
  Vipul Bindra: Very rarely do I've been on bigger sets where they wouldn't be using teradek, but here's what I found.
• 1:50:38
  Vipul Bindra: I've actually started to see some dji transmission and stuff on on bigger sets and that was crazy to me to see that a company can come in and start to like cut some market share and dj has been able to do that oh 100.
• 1:50:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: I was on a, a larger live production shoot and it was a-list celebrities, like it was a whole thing.
• 1:50:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: Um, it was a very large live production, like, and the director of like the one whatever calling shots and all that and he was the video director, so he was helping with the engineering and whatnot.
• 1:51:13
  Anthony Rodriguez: He said after this show I will never use teradek again.
• 1:51:17
  Anthony Rodriguez: We need dji's next year look at that because it was so reliable.
• 1:51:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: We rented the 12g yeah, expensive um teradeks, yeah, and we use them alongside each other and they're like this was seamless wow this was so good.
• 1:51:34
  Anthony Rodriguez: We never had a drop out.
• 1:51:36
  Anthony Rodriguez: It was, we didn't even have to put it super high and it didn't drop out, just the signal so strong.
• 1:51:41
  Vipul Bindra: There is a little bit more latency, but I need to do some more tests, because my experience is with teradek though I have tried all the other systems and has been that I'm very bullish.
• 1:51:51
  Vipul Bindra: That's what I'm saying on teradek, because personally, um, I have never had issues with teradek, and what I do like about Teradek was or is because I still use them on my live streams is it's either there or it's not there.
• 1:52:04
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want the compression because at least and again I'm not saying DJI does that because I haven't personally tested it, but a lot of wireless systems will compress the image and still try to keep transmitting and I don't want that.
• 1:52:15
  Vipul Bindra: I'd rather just switch to a different camera and I need to know if it's good or it's not there.
• 1:52:25
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want half compression.
• 1:52:25
  Vipul Bindra: But again, if you're using it not for live, then I guess that the other way is better.
• 1:52:28
  Vipul Bindra: Either way, I found Charadex to be very reliable and also very good for what I'm trying to use them for.
• 1:52:34
  Vipul Bindra: I did switch over for regular, which I've shown you earlier, to this new Holly land pyro seven system, and only because on my director's camera we can switch a button and they can go and see a, b and that's what these business clients want to do.
• 1:52:48
  Vipul Bindra: But I don't think I have done that for live or am interested in yet.
• 1:52:52
  Vipul Bindra: But who knows, this makes me want to still try the DJI system.
• 1:52:57
  Anthony Rodriguez: If you need latency, I would.
• 1:52:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: I would stick to teradek still, yeah, yeah, the latest live for live.
• 1:53:02
  Vipul Bindra: You know, that's what I'm saying, that's what's important, that and then that image quality doesn't drop, because I don't want people on live to see compression artifacts or whatever yeah, well I've.
• 1:53:11
  Anthony Rodriguez: I haven't had too much compression.
• 1:53:13
  Anthony Rodriguez: Well, I'm pretty sure teradek has a patent on uncompressed yeah latency, so like nobody else can really even yeah, exactly it's like some, that's stupid these patent things, man, the whole zach's phone I'm thinking about that.
• 1:53:27
  Vipul Bindra: Let me not get started.
• 1:53:28
  Vipul Bindra: Which is why I think nikon bought red just for the back well yeah, that was stupid yeah, so same thing with zach's come so in the sound industry, if you've noticed so in a lot of the equipment will come out like you can record and transmit everywhere but the US, because this company called Zaxcom on the high end.
• 1:53:46
  Vipul Bindra: I've used their equipment, which is good equipment.
• 1:53:48
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want to say anything against.
• 1:53:49
  Vipul Bindra: But this patent is stupid because it restricts other companies from being able to offer just a feature.
• 1:53:54
  Vipul Bindra: You know so.
• 1:53:55
  Vipul Bindra: Now, that's why a lot of these products can record and transmit at the same time in us, but you take it outside or you buy it literally outside the country which is why we were talking about the deity theos thing when you were in europe because they'll restrict them, uh, from basically working properly in the us and which is kind of, I think, stupid.
• 1:54:15
  Vipul Bindra: But again, I'm not a patent expert.
• 1:54:16
  Vipul Bindra: It's just annoying because it restricts our ability to do and and create content that we want to.
• 1:54:22
  Vipul Bindra: At the end of the day, yeah, it doesn't make sense.
• 1:54:23
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, the same thing with uh red.
• 1:54:25
  Vipul Bindra: I think they have a.
• 1:54:26
  Vipul Bindra: That's why all these companies have had to go, like canon especially has to go and uh license the, the, I think, patent from them and nikon, which is why I think uh nikon bought them, which I was surprised.
• 1:54:37
  Vipul Bindra: 80 or something million dollars, it wasn't a lot of money that's not a lot yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:54:41
  Vipul Bindra: They got red for like basically nothing, it's just well, I'm thinking, I we don't know their books.
• 1:54:47
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, we don't know.
• 1:54:48
  Anthony Rodriguez: We don't know how, like how much money they were actually making red nikon doesn't care yeah, no, I got nothing.
• 1:54:53
  Vipul Bindra: I didn't buy them, I'm pretty sure, sure it was for patents, because there's no way.
• 1:54:58
  Vipul Bindra: It's like not even a drop in a bucket for Nikon.
• 1:55:00
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:55:01
  Vipul Bindra: What's also crazy, though, is I don't know if you've noticed that at least for me, as somebody who's owned Monstro and Helium in the past, and V-Raptors too I owned two V-Raptors for a little while.
• 1:55:12
  Vipul Bindra: The thing is, I found that the demand is just gone.
• 1:55:18
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, while the thing is, I found that the demand is just gone, I mean outside of music videos.
• 1:55:21
  Vipul Bindra: I'm still seeing them used on music videos, but it immediately um or not immediately, but at least the last couple years I'm seeing less and less productions.
• 1:55:27
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, demand reds, you know.
• 1:55:30
  Vipul Bindra: I mean I'm camera agnostic.
• 1:55:32
  Vipul Bindra: I'll use it if that's the demand is there which is why I was so lucky I'm.
• 1:55:35
  Vipul Bindra: I'm glad I sold my V Raptors because it was like nobody cares.
• 1:55:38
  Vipul Bindra: Either they're like we don't care, or we want FX6s, fx9, fx3s you know that level of camera or we want Alexa Mini and Mini LFs.
• 1:55:46
  Vipul Bindra: I was not even getting single requests where somebody wanted RED, which used to be a thing.
• 1:55:52
  Anthony Rodriguez: You noticed that, like less and less people are using reds in their production, especially, you know, like companies yeah, I mean, I think we're in different, completely different industries, but, um, yeah, I think, I think it's sort of not really matter.
• 1:56:09
  Anthony Rodriguez: I had one inquiry where they were like, do you ever use red?
• 1:56:13
  Anthony Rodriguez: And I was like, how do you even know what that is?
• 1:56:16
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, yeah, I'm like how do you even know?
• 1:56:18
  Vipul Bindra: what that is.
• 1:56:18
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah yeah I'm like how do you even know what that is like?
• 1:56:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh well, we could probably rent you one and I ended up not landing the job.
• 1:56:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: But like, yeah, so I, I don't, I don't think, I don't think it matters.
• 1:56:28
  Anthony Rodriguez: I I do think our industry is leaning more towards content creation.
• 1:56:33
  Anthony Rodriguez: You're gonna see it, more businesses are starting to realize, oh, evergreen content, or or just, uh, ugc content.
• 1:56:41
  Vipul Bindra: All that stuff is like starting to make more sense in this social media age and I think we're going to start seeing that, especially with like ai and all that um yeah, with all these cell phones and osmo pocket 3 is like making it easier to make that content and that's's why I don't at least for me, I don't see myself fitting in there.
• 1:57:01
  Vipul Bindra: I know a lot of people like I was talking about.
• 1:57:02
  Vipul Bindra: I've had people on podcasts who are making a living just making social media content.
• 1:57:06
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, you've had huge success too, offering it.
• 1:57:09
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, I try to stay in where you know we're offering like real world solutions and telling those stories.
• 1:57:16
  Vipul Bindra: I see myself being doing more where I see going mini documentaries, corporate docs and stuff like that.
• 1:57:22
  Vipul Bindra: But you're right, social media is huge and obviously it's only going to grow and it's going to even need more attention because as soon as more people do it, more noise, more.
• 1:57:32
  Vipul Bindra: You know more.
• 1:57:34
  Vipul Bindra: You have to be even more innovative to stand out in the noise Right.
• 1:57:35
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, well, you know more.
• 1:57:36
  Vipul Bindra: You have to be even more innovative to stand out in the noise right yeah, well, I do think that documentary thing that's never going to go away.
• 1:57:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, social media content might.
• 1:57:43
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't know if you've seen like google ai just making ugc content yeah, like out of nothing from, I think, open air to bro, literally making based off of marketing research, content for a specific brand.
• 1:58:00
  Anthony Rodriguez: But I think the one thing that we're not going to lose and we can't lose is, like personal touch, um.
• 1:58:08
  Anthony Rodriguez: But then you could say hey look, here's a video of me can you make videos of me talking about my company, so I I do think there's going to be a play on ego thing and that's how we can find the future.
• 1:58:19
  Vipul Bindra: Mini docs is cool like that and that's what I I was talking with adam I've had, like it went from nothing.
• 1:58:26
  Vipul Bindra: No company wanted to do long form to one.
• 1:58:29
  Vipul Bindra: Then last year I did three or four.
• 1:58:31
  Vipul Bindra: So I think companies are starting to recognize that it's all about the storytelling right, and sometimes long form is the right format to tell that longer piece of story and I love, obviously, producing them because that's a documentary style.
• 1:58:44
  Vipul Bindra: You get to be more of a filmmaker, get to take, you know, have time and space to be able to tell that story.
• 1:58:50
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, obviously it's almost time to wrap up.
• 1:58:53
  Vipul Bindra: Before we do that, um, anthony, I do want to ask you so for 2025, tell me your ideal package that you would love to sell.
• 1:59:01
  Vipul Bindra: If you had a hypothetical like you write your client, what, what would your dream package be like?
• 1:59:07
  Vipul Bindra: Hey, this price point, this many, with the deliverables, um, you know, whatever, what, what do you try?
• 1:59:13
  Vipul Bindra: What?
• 1:59:13
  Vipul Bindra: What would be ideal for you?
• 1:59:15
  Anthony Rodriguez: honestly, it doesn't have to be crazy, I would love to.
• 1:59:17
  Anthony Rodriguez: So I have like a 12K package.
• 1:59:21
  Anthony Rodriguez: That's three months worth of content from the one day I don't do anything besides help script, shoot them, edit them and I deliver.
• 1:59:31
  Anthony Rodriguez: I think 40 pieces and 40 vertical social media content.
• 1:59:37
  Vipul Bindra: That's actually pretty good for 12K 40 pieces yeah, 40 vertical social media content.
• 1:59:38
  Anthony Rodriguez: That's actually pretty good for 12K 40 pieces.
• 1:59:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, well, that's the whole point.
• 1:59:42
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and you're doing what Three day shoot you said.
• 1:59:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: One day.
• 1:59:45
  Vipul Bindra: One day.
• 1:59:45
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, that's even better for ROI.
• 1:59:47
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah.
• 1:59:48
  Vipul Bindra: Are you bringing any assistant?
• 1:59:49
  Vipul Bindra: So it's you and an assistant maybe.
• 1:59:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's me, I'll bring some people, so like, if I I need it, I might start hiring a producer, just somebody that can like keep us on track.
• 1:59:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: Are you scripting?
• 1:59:59
  Anthony Rodriguez: these or you're going off the cuff chat gpt oh, look at that man, look at that so, uh, now that I have a whole template where I ask the client a bunch of questions about their ideal yeah, exactly, and then, um, I take their answers and this was given to me I take their answers and I put it into chat gbt.
• 2:00:18
  Anthony Rodriguez: I say, hey, make uh 50 different content ideas.
• 2:00:20
  Anthony Rodriguez: I go through the content ideas.
• 2:00:22
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm like, oh, this is good, this is not good, this is good look at that and then I give it to the client, say, hey, can you pick 30 that you love and then pick 10 that you are meh, and then half of our day is filming that.
• 2:00:35
  Anthony Rodriguez: I try and not have them read off a teleprompter and then, um, which I might have to start doing, but the second half of the day, half of the day, or at least two to three hours, is b-roll, b-roll.
• 2:00:50
  Anthony Rodriguez: Maybe we make some funny content it all, depends it all depends with every single client.
• 2:00:54
  Anthony Rodriguez: So none, nothing's the same.
• 2:00:55
  Anthony Rodriguez: I don't wish it was the same.
• 2:00:58
  Anthony Rodriguez: Actually I was going to say I wish, but yeah, I mean, if I could, I did my numbers and if I have 12 clients I can make half a million.
• 2:01:08
  Vipul Bindra: That's pretty good.
• 2:01:09
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, if I have 12 clients.
• 2:01:13
  Vipul Bindra: Because you're going 12 times four right, because three months of content.
• 2:01:16
  Vipul Bindra: They're going to come back to you four times 48, 48 times 12, half a million is a very very good-sized production company.
• 2:01:23
  Vipul Bindra: And then the thing I like about this package that you're building costs are low.
• 2:01:28
  Vipul Bindra: Because, unlike typical, production.
• 2:01:30
  Vipul Bindra: A 12K production would only net you 2, 3, 4k at most profit.
• 2:01:34
  Vipul Bindra: But it's just here.
• 2:01:34
  Vipul Bindra: Now you can pull in a huge amount of profit, right?
• 2:01:37
  Vipul Bindra: What are you thinking You're trying for what?
• 2:01:39
  Vipul Bindra: Seven, eight, nine, maybe even more?
• 2:01:41
  Anthony Rodriguez: My profit margins on this will probably be let me do like some rough numbers.
• 2:01:46
  Anthony Rodriguez: Editing costs would probably be not that much.
• 2:01:52
  Vipul Bindra: You have your social media content.
• 2:01:53
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah yeah.
• 2:01:54
  Vipul Bindra: So probably media content yeah, yeah, they're probably, I'm probably looking at uh 10 000 profit on that.
• 2:02:09
  Anthony Rodriguez: Look at that look at that, that's a very good profit.
• 2:02:10
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, so you're telling me it's a lot of it's a lot of work?
• 2:02:11
  Anthony Rodriguez: Yeah, obviously.
• 2:02:11
  Anthony Rodriguez: No, I don't want to take that social media content.
• 2:02:14
  Vipul Bindra: It's not easy, so yeah and plus 40 delivers is a lot, but let's also look at the bright side 12K 10K profit one day shoot.
• 2:02:25
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh, that's why I'm doing it.
• 2:02:27
  Vipul Bindra: This is incredible, but now I want you to think on the client side.
• 2:02:32
  Vipul Bindra: They're going to get.
• 2:02:32
  Vipul Bindra: They only have to put up one day of their time because these people are busy.
• 2:02:36
  Vipul Bindra: And they get three months of content.
• 2:02:38
  Vipul Bindra: They're getting 40 deliverables for 12K, which are very well done because they're professional doing it.
• 2:02:43
  Vipul Bindra: So I think there's a win-win situation.
• 2:02:45
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh, it's a win-win all around.
• 2:02:46
  Vipul Bindra: It's very smart that you're doing that, man.
• 2:02:48
  Vipul Bindra: It's so great to learn I can't believe.
• 2:02:51
  Vipul Bindra: Two hours is over.
• 2:02:51
  Vipul Bindra: I would love to keep talking talking, and that's why I love this format.
• 2:02:54
  Vipul Bindra: The good thing is, if this goes great, nothing stops us from continuing this conversation in season twos and threes, and if I can do this, remember there's no roi here.
• 2:03:03
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not trying to to get anything out of it, but all I just want to have these great conversations.
• 2:03:07
  Vipul Bindra: I know I learned a lot, so thank you again for taking your time before we go.
• 2:03:11
  Vipul Bindra: Anything else you want to add, say do they do no well, I was gonna make a joke then I decided not to, but why was it not pg?
• 2:03:23
  Anthony Rodriguez: it was uh political.
• 2:03:24
  Anthony Rodriguez: Oh yeah, let's, let's stay out of.
• 2:03:26
  Anthony Rodriguez: I'm just kidding with more camera.
• 2:03:27
  Anthony Rodriguez: All right, uh do you want to tell people where to follow you instagram, youtube, probably for you yeah, so, uh, you could find me on instagram uh tailored, uh like a tailored suit dot films, and then on uh youtube.
• 2:03:43
  Anthony Rodriguez: It's anthony rodriguez with two z's two z's.
• 2:03:48
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, the onesie wasn't available my, my onesie wasn't available dude, again, I really appreciate you.
• 2:03:55
  Vipul Bindra: You're an incredible person.
• 2:03:57
  Vipul Bindra: I'm so glad I met you and it's always a learning experience, so thank you and again, you're welcome back anytime.
• 2:04:01
  Vipul Bindra: Thank you, dude, I loved it.