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Gisèle Pelicot: Shame Must Change Sides · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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100 episodes When I started this journey, the goal was simple, to
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understand how justice is served when the unthinkable happens and
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together over the. Last five years.
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We followed the evidence. And studied the psychology.
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We've traced the path all the way.
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To the moment the handcuffs click shut.
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And then we've sat in the aftermath looking at how these
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crimes fracture not just individuals, but entire
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communities. So the first thing I want to say
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is thank you for being here with me through the evolution of this
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show, through old Co hosts, different styles and my own
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growth every single day today on this milestone episode of When
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Killers. Get caught the story.
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Isn't just about a. Capture.
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It's about reckoning. It began with a mundane moment
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in a supermarket, Amazon France, a man caught taking photos he
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never should have been taking. At first it looked like an
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isolated crime. But when the police opened his
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hard drives, they didn't just find a predator.
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They found a blueprint. They found a system.
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A decade of betrayal. Meticulously documented and
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organized. Giselle Pellicott was his wife.
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She was a mother, a grandmother, a professional and for 10 years
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her husband, Dominique Pellicott, drugged her into
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unconsciousness and invited dozens of strangers into their
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home. To assault her, he.
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Filmed it. Catalogued it and archived it.
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He believed he was the director of a private horror show.
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But Dominique made a fatal mistake.
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He underestimated his wife when the truth finally broke the
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world. Expected Giselle to disappear.
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They expected her like. So many survivors to choose
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anonymity we will all would have understood.
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Being the face of such a monumental horror comes with a
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scrutiny that few can withstand. Instead, Giselle stood up.
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She walked into that courtroom, looked her attacker in the face
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and declared shame must change sides.
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Today we follow Giselle's courage.
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From the courtrooms of Avignon to the chilling reality that
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this was never just about one man.
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This is a. Pattern a network of everyday
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men hiding in plain sight. Sexual violence is a unique kind
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of harm. It is deeply personal, uniquely
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devastating, and life altering in ways that don't simply fade.
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It changes how you move through the world.
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How you see yourself. How you learn to exist in your
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own body. Again, I'll be honest.
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This episode was hard. For me to write, and it's a hard
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one to tell, but the value in this story is greater than my
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own comfort. This episode is for the
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survivors. It is not.
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For the perpetrators. It is not for.
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Their excuses. Or the narratives that try to
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make sense of what is senseless. This is for Giselle.
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For Zoe. For Amanda.
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For Valentina. It is for every.
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Person known and unknown, who has had to reclaim their body,
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their autonomy and their story from the shadows.
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For those who understand this kind of pain and the
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unimaginable strength. It takes to keep.
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Going after it changes. Your life forever you're.
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Listening to When Killers Get Caught and I'm Brittany Ransom
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and today the shame changes sides.
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Before we begin, a brief but important note.
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Today's episode does discuss sexual assault drug.
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Facilitated abuse and systemic violence.
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These are heavy topics. And I want you to.
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Take care of yourself. While listening.
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If you need to skip this one, I understand and I'll.
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See you at episode. 101. We go back to where this story
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actually. Begins.
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It didn't start in a courtroom, and it wasn't a headline.
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It was an ordinary Tuesday and September of 2020 inside of a
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supermarket, Amazon France. Picture this.
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The mundane sounds of shopping carts clicking, people debating
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what to have for dinner, the hum of fluorescent lights.
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Among the shoppers is an older man.
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He isn't carrying a basket. He isn't looking at the shelves.
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He's lingering, loitering in the aisles, moving too close to
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women watching. Store security is the. 1st to
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notice that something is wrong. He's holding his phone at an
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angle that doesn't make sense, low and deliberate, with the
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camera pointed upward. He's taking pictures of women
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under their skirts. In the legal world, this is
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often treated as a contained offence, what the French might
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call a delit, a medium level crime.
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It's the kind of thing people often minimize, assuming it ends
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with a shameful arrest, maybe a fine, a stern warning, at worst,
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a few years in prison. But when the police arrive and
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take Dominique Pellicott into custody, the dominoes begin to
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fall. His phone is confiscated.
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A warrant is issued for every electronic device in his home
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from the precinct Dominique makes a phone call to.
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His wife, Giselle, he confesses, but he filters the truth.
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He tells her he has. Disgusting urges, he admits to
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the supermarket photos and Giselle in a testament to. 50
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years of trust she thought they shared says she's shocked for
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sure, but she's a dedicated spouse.
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She tells him she'll help him, she'll find him a doctor.
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They'll get through this together, but.
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What Dominique didn't tell her. Was the police were.
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Already at their front door, and as Giselle was promising her
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support, forensic investigators were opening up.
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Hard drives they expected. To find more photos.
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Instead, what they found was much worse.
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They uncovered a digital file system so organized it was
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almost clinical. There were folders, subfolders.
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Labels, dates, detailed notes. This wasn't just a.
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Collection. It was a methodical,
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professional archive, over 20,000 videos and photos spread
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across multiple hard drives, computers and.
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USB sticks seized. From the Pellicott home.
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Every device they pulled. From a dash.
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Drawer or a. Closet was another piece of this
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digital mausoleum. A library of a decade's worth
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of. Trauma meticulously preserved
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and curated by the man who claimed to love her.
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As the investigators move deeper into the data, the air in the
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room must have changed. The scale began to shift what
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looked like a momentary. Urge revealed itself to be a
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decade. Of controlled chilling.
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Repeated depravity. They weren't just looking at a
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man who took pictures in a grocery store.
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They were looking at a man who had turned his marriage into a
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hunting ground. And then the investigators
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reached the most harrowing realization of it all.
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They realized that the woman in the videos, the woman being
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assaulted by dozens of strangers, the woman who was
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sleeping through a nightmare, was the same woman waiting at
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home, believing her husband was just a man who had made a single
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strange mistake. The police now had one job left
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to do. They had to go.
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Tell this woman in the home with the blue.
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Shutters tell the devoted. Wife.
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That she was the. Victim in the majority.
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Of these videos, they had to tell.
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Her that for 10 years, the man she loved had orchestrated one
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of the most heinous crimes France had seen in.
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Decades. Giselle's peaceful life was
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over. And the investigation?
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Was just beginning. Giselle Pellicott was.
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Never meant to be a headline before, she was a symbol of.
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Courage or a case? File in a courtroom.
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She was simply a woman living what?
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She called a perfect. French Life.
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By day, her. Existence was peaceful, defined
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by the quiet rhythms of a woman who had earned her rest.
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She was born in 1952 in Villingen, West Germany, the
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daughter of a French soldier. But the stability of her early
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years was. Short lived, her mother died of
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cancer when Giselle was only 9 and like so many other children
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of loss, she navigated A fractured home life and strained
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relationship with a stepmother. A struggle that fueled her deep,
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quiet desire to build a. Happy, independent world of her
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own as soon as she was able. Giselle Chase that happiness she
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built a formidable. Career rising to the ranks of a
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French utility company to become a high level.
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Executive. And at 19, she met Dominique.
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They were just kids when they fell in love, marrying in 1973.
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And for nearly 50. Years, they were the bedrock of
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each other's lives. They raised three children.
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David, Caroline and Florian, and eventually.
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Traded the bustle of the Paris suburbs.
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For the sun drenched piece of Amazon in southern France, their
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home. With its bright blue.
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Shutters and backyard. Pool.
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Became the sanctuary where 7 grandchildren came to play.
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It was idyllic. And built on 1/2 century of
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trust. At least that's what she
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thought. The shift began in 2011.
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It was subtle at. First, strange, inexplicable
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red. Flags that Giselle would.
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Later recount in her memoir A Hymn to Life, there was the
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drink Dominique handed her that had a.
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Particular. Green Sheen when she questioned
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it. He wordlessly.
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Poured it down the sink. There was a time she found a
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bleach like stain on her clothes and jokingly asked him.
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Did you drug me and Dominique? Reacted with performative
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horror. A master class in gaslighting
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that silenced her intuition, but the missing time just grew
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entire. Stretches of her life.
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Begin to vanish. She would wake up.
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Disoriented, unable to account for hours or full nights, like
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anyone losing their grip on their own timeline, she turned
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to science for answers. She went to a neurologist.
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She went to her gynecologist, Describing these blackouts in
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the terrifying fog with no answer insight a dark.
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Fear took root. Giselle believed that she was.
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Dying, she feared early onset Alzheimer's was stealing her
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mind. A quiet grief settled over her
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as she prepared for a future that was.
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Slipping away. And then came November of 2020,
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when the police. Called her to the.
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Station. There was no gentle transition,
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they told her. They had been investigating
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Dominique since the market and on his hard drives they had
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found a folder simply labeled abuse.
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They laid out a reality that defied.
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Human comprehension for nearly. A decade, she.
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Had never been ill. She had been chemically rendered
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unconscious. Her home, her sanctuary, had
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been turned into a stage for dozens of strangers invited in
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by the man she. Loved her husband.
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And nearly 100 other men had raped her hundreds of times.
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While she lay oblivious. The memory gaps weren't a
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diagnosis. They were the.
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Physical evidence of crimes she was never meant to remember.
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At first, Giselle's mind did the only thing it could to survive.
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It rejected the truth. She insisted these must be.
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Photoshopped She. Said it was a frame job.
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But as the investigator showed her, the.
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Still images and the evidence of the evil things done to her
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body, her brain. Disassociated she was.
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Looking at a woman who looks like.
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Her who? Had been treated.
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Like a rag doll without a soul. She went home and sat in the
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silence of that shattered. Life for six.
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Hours, then finally she. Spoke the word out loud to her.
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Friend rape in that moment 50. Years of history were.
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Rewritten. It wasn't just a portrayal.
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It was the total collapse of her reality.
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Everything she thought she knew about her marriage, her safety
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and even her own body had been a lie maintained by the person she
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trusted the most. The peaceful existence by day
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was gone forever. Now Giselle.
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Pellicott had to decide who. She was going to be in the light
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of this terrible new morning. There is a point in every.
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Case like this where the story. Could simply go quiet.
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It could have stayed behind closed doors, protected,
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anonymous and clinical. It could have been reduced.
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To a pile. Of legal documents and redacted
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reports allowing the public to understand the crime without
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ever having to look the person in the eye.
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That's the path. Most survivors are offered, and
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for many, for very good reason. It is the path they take.
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But Giselle Pellicott is not most survivors, after learning
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the full staggering scale, have what had been done to.
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Her Giselle was given. The choice to remain a ghost in
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her own story. She could have.
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Let her identity be. Protected by the state, she
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could have let the. Case proceed in a closed
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courtroom while she disappeared into a.
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Well deserved private piece, but she refused.
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Instead, Giselle made a decision that would not only.
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Reshape the trial but. Force a global reckoning.
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She choose to waive. Her rights to anonymity and she
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chose a. Public trial.
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She chose to attach her name, face, and her voice.
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To every piece of. Nauseating evidence in every
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hour of testimony. And she didn't do it because.
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It was easy. She did it because.
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She understood a fundamental. Truth about the dark.
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Anonymity doesn't just protect the victim, it sanitizes the
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crime. And she knew if she stayed in
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the shadows. The world would.
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Abstract her experience, they could make a.
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Distance. It would just be a sad story
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that was. Easy to dismiss and even.
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Easier to forget by. Stepping into the public eye,
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she made that impossible. The crime could no longer be
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separated from the human being it was committed against.
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The legal system could no longer talk around her experience.
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They had to look at her. Her.
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Presence in that courtroom in Avignon became a piece of living
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evidence, not in a legal sense, but in a human one.
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She made the. Scale of the betrayal.
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Impossible to sanitize the horrors, impossible to ignore.
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And at the heart of that decision was a single sentence.
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4 words that would travel. Far beyond the borders of
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France, shame must change. Sides with those words, she.
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Reframed the entire universe. Of sexual violence, she declared
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that the. Burden of silence was no longer.
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Hers to carry the weight of the. Stigma was no longer something
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that belonged to her identity. She was handing that.
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Weight back to the. System that allowed it and the
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men who. Perpetuated it.
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It was a. Declaration that shame belongs
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only to the guilty, not the survivors.
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And once that line was. Spoken the story.
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Could no longer be contained. This wasn't just about what
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happened in one house in Mazon. It was about.
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What happens to all? Of us.
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When the truth gets finally dragged into the light.
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When people first. Heard about this case.
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The instinct was to treat it as an outlier, an extreme story
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about. One horrible man, one home and
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an unimaginable breach of trust. But the more.
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Investigators looked outward. The more that explanation.
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Started to fall apart. What made this possible?
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Wasn't just what happened inside the house in France.
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It was what existed outside of it.
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Across encrypted platforms like Telegram, investigators begin to
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trace networks. Of users.
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Exchanging explicit instructions on how to drug control and
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violate unconscious partners. These weren't vague fantasies.
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They were structured, detailed playbooks.
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They described dosages. Timing methods to avoid
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detection. And they weren't just talking
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about abuse. They were.
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Teaching it This was an ecosystem of reinforcement, a
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place where one person's. Idea could be validated.
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By another, refined by a third, and normalized through
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repetition until it stops sounding like something
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unthinkable and just sounded like something procedural.
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Once you understand that Mazon stops looking like an anomaly
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and it's and it starts to look like a point of contact between
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a private crime and a much larger distributed system, the
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ability for Dominique to do as much.
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As he did. Hinges on where this all was
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coordinated. Coco was one of those spaces.
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On the surface, it looks like an ordinary anonymous chat site.
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No special access or encryption. Needed just an open Door and
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Dominique Pellicott use that platform to connect with men
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willing to participate in what the courts called systemic abuse
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in France alone between 2021 and 2020. 4 authorities recorded
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over. 23,000 criminal complaints linked to Coco, including hate
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crimes and networks involving at least 480 identified victims
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while the site's founder. Isaac Steidl was arrested.
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In 2025, his arrest didn't dismantle the behavior, it
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simply displaced it. Cut off 1 head of the hydra and
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two more take. Its place.
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Then there's a site called Motherless.
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Researchers have described this. As an online rape Academy,
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reports show the site hosted more than 20,000 user uploaded
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videos of non consensual content, reaching an estimated
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62 million visits in a single month.
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This isn't just passive hosting, it's a global infrastructure of
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demand. It's a place where the
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unthinkable is packaged as content, where a violent crime
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is consumed as if it were just another category of pornography
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on platforms like. These the reality.
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Of the victim is erased and the assault is rebranded as
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entertainment and then in 2026 CNN released an investigation
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called as Equals and it reframed this entire landscape it
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connected. Digital traces across borders
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to. Show that the mechanisms used in
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Mazon weren't a French anomaly. They are part of a wider global.
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Ecosystem. And when you strip away the
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platforms, the data points in the clinical legal language,
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you're left with something more fragile.
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You're left with three names sitting inside the lived
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aftermath. Zoe.
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Watts. Amanda, Stanhope and Valentina.
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We'll talk about the infrastructure.
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Or the 20,000 videos but numbers like those.
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Start to feel abstract. They're too big to wrap your
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head around. But for the women trapped inside
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of that nightmare, the horror isn't a statistic.
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It's a cup of tea on a night stand, a bedroom door.
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You thought was locked. A person you love the most in
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the world, standing over you while you sleep to understand
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the bravery. It took.
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For these women to speak out, I want you to understand the
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depth. Of the betrayal.
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They didn't just. Lose their safety.
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They lost their entire sense of reality.
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For Zoe Watts, the. Weapon wasn't a threat of any
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sort of physical violence, it was a nightly.
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Cup of tea prepared. By the man she had loved since
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she was 17 years old. For years her.
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Husband was taking her their son's sleeping medication and
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stirring it into her drink. He wasn't just drugging her,
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though. He was using her own trust to
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steal her consciousness. Zoe's pain is compounded by a
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specific kind of societal gas lighting.
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When Zoe finally spoke out, she faced the crushing weight of
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people telling her. But he's your.
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Husband as if marriage was a license for ownership.
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She speaks up now because she has to reclaim the instinct.
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We are. All taught to ignore that
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sometimes the most dangerous places in a dark alleyway.
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It's your own bedroom for Amanda Stanhope.
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The story is. Defined by the sheer duration of
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the deception, five years. Imagine living at half a.
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Decade where your reality is a lie.
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For five years, Amanda lived in a fog, experiencing unexplained
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gaps in her memory and a fatigue that was so intense she couldn't
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explain it. She wasn't just losing a night.
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She lost years of her. Life.
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When Amanda came forward, she wasn't just discussing the
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crime, she was trying to reconstruct her own history.
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By choosing to be a voice in the CNN investigation, she was
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refusing to let those five years belong.
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To the predators who? Watched her online, she is
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pulling her life. Out of the digital.
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Archive and back into the daylight.
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And then there was Valentina. We don't know her real name.
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She wished to remain anonymous in the CNN article, but she
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experienced the most modern, unsettling layer of this crime.
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The digital afterlife. Unlike the survivors, who only
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have memory gaps, Valentina was forced to confront the external
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evidence. She saw the videos.
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She saw her own body treated as content on screen being
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consumed. By this global.
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Audience of everyday men. Who viewed her?
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Violation as nothing more. Than a category of.
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Porn. For Valentina, speaking out was
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an act of narrative war. She knows her image is out there
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in the dark corners of the Internet.
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And it will. Always be out there.
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But by speaking, she's saying that woman on the screen is me,
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but she is a human being and she is not your entertainment.
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What connects Zoe, Amanda and Valentina to?
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Giselle Pellicott is a shared, terrified bravery.
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They all could have stayed quiet.
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They all could have. Just lived in the protection of
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anonymity. But they understood that silence
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is what allows the Rape Academy to stay open.
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And they chose to be seen and heard because they knew that
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shame only thrives in the dark. They didn't just survive.
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They stood up. And made sure that from now on.
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The world has to look at the. Faces of the women the system
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tried to erase. If you think about this, none of
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these stories are about resolution.
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It's about the continuity. After.
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Your life has been disrupted. Zoe, Amanda and Valentino all
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chose his ability not because. It was easy.
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But because the alternative is worse.
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Their. Stories interrupt the system by
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making it impossible to ignore, because the evidence shows that
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this is not one site, not one country, and not one type of
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man. By the time the Pellicott case
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reached the court in. 2024. The scale of what?
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Happened in Mazan can no longer be contained by language like
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incident or scandal. It was a national reckoning.
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The trial in Avignon was unlike anything the French legal system
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had ever. Processed over 4.
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Grueling months, the courtroom became a space where repetition
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was the most damning evidence. 50 men stood trial alongside
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Dominique Pellicott and one unsettled the public.
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Wasn't just the number of men, but the normalcy.
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Of their faces. These were the am ordinaire, the
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ordinary men, journalists, IT workers, tradesmen you'd pass in
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the supermarket, college students.
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They didn't fit the visual markers of danger.
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We're all. Told to expect.
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They were men hiding their normalcy, forcing a terrifying
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question How many systems of harm depend on not being
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separate from society, but on being invisible within it?
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But the rupture didn't just. Stop at the courtroom doors,
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investigators. Uncovered that the violation
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reached even deeper into the Pellicott family than anyone
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was. Prepared for those seized.
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Devices revealed images and recordings of Dominique's own
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daughters in laws and other women in his family circle for
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his children. The portrayal was total.
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Trust in memory had to be reinterpreted under the weight
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of a private life that had been quietly contaminated for.
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Years yet through that collapse, Giselle's.
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Sons David and Florian. They stood by her side.
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Not because they understood what she was going through, but
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because she was their mother. And on December 19th, 2020. 4
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The verdicts arrived. Monique Pellicott received the
23:16
maximum sentence for aggravated rape 20 years at 71 years.
23:22
Old. It is effectively a life
23:23
sentence. The other fifty men received
23:25
varying punishments, some stretching into the mid teens,
23:29
some as low as just three years. But for the public?
23:33
The numbers did not. Add up to justice outside of
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that. Courthouse The atmosphere was
23:38
not one of relief. It was anger.
23:41
Protesters. Held up signs and screamed shame
23:44
on justice. The feeling across France was
23:47
that while. The law had.
23:47
Spoken these sentences were shamefully insufficient for a
23:51
decade of coordinated depravity. Some of these men received
23:55
suspended sentences or terms way shorter than prosecutors
23:59
requested. Leading activists to argue that
24:02
the system still lacks the proper.
24:03
Tools to handle the true. Gravity of sexual violence.
24:07
The trial proved that harm like this exists inside recognizable
24:11
society, but the sentences left many feeling that the punishment
24:15
had not caught up to. The severity of the crime.
24:19
And in the long shadow of the Avignon trial, something unusual
24:23
began to happen. It wasn't loud and it wasn't
24:27
immediate. But steadily across legal
24:29
circles. Parliamentary committees and.
24:31
Policy discussions throughout Europe.
24:33
The case started shifting something.
24:35
This stopped being about the prosecution of 51 individuals
24:38
and started being studied as a historic turning point.
24:41
What emerged is what they now. Call the Pellicott effect.
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It is shorthand for the way one woman's refusal to hide began to
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dismantle the gap that has existed in the legal system for
24:50
centuries, the chasm between the absence of resistance and the
24:54
presence of consent. For far too long, the law looked
24:58
for a no. It looked for a struggle.
25:01
It looked for. Physical evidence of refusal.
25:03
But the Pelletcott case? Forced lawmakers to look at the
25:06
terrifying reality of silence. Force them to admit that when
25:10
silence is manufactured, induced by drugs, or exploited by
25:14
betrayal, it cannot be treated as neutral.
25:18
And across Europe, this. Conversation has moved from the
25:20
streets into the halls of. Power we're.
25:22
Seeing an acceleration towards consent based frameworks.
25:25
The phrase you'll hear. Again and again, the one being
25:28
shouted in protests and written into new.
25:30
State statutes is. Blunt in its clarity, only yes
25:35
means yes. It's more than a slogan.
25:38
It's becoming a legal requirement, the demand that
25:41
sexual violence be defined by the absence of clear affirmative
25:44
agreement, while laws don't change overnight.
25:47
The Pellicott effect. Has made the direction of travel
25:49
irreversible. Governments are now being
25:52
forced. To review their old.
25:53
Statutes and ask. Does this law actually protect
25:56
people, or does it protect the predators?
25:58
Who hide in the silence. And beneath the complicated
26:01
legal language, something more fundamental is happening.
26:05
We are witnessing a shift in what society considers legible
26:09
harm. We are finally learning that
26:11
consent is not the absence of no, but the presence of a yes.
26:15
And it's important to remember. Where this shift started?
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Not with a politician or a lobbyist.
26:21
It was a courtroom in Avignon with one woman choosing to be
26:26
seen. And from that decision?
26:28
The pressure spread outward. Into.
26:30
Our laws, our policies. And our very language.
26:34
Sometimes institutional change doesn't begin with a memo or
26:37
reform. It begins with exposure and the
26:42
simple revolutionary refusal to look away.
26:48
After everything we've discussed, the investigation,
26:50
the sentencing, the trial, there's still a question that
26:53
lingers. Outside of reach for the court,
26:56
what does justice actually do for the people who have lived?
27:00
Through something like this, there's a common misconception
27:04
that truth, once revealed, brings closure.
27:06
We like to think that once the. Facts are established the.
27:09
System has done its job, and the story can finally be tucked
27:12
away. But that's not how lived
27:15
experience works. Justice can acknowledge harm, it
27:19
can assign responsibility, it can create consequences that
27:22
matter. But it cannot erase what
27:24
happened, it cannot rewind time, and it cannot restore the
27:27
version of life that. Existed before the world broke.
27:32
What it can do is return something that was stolen long
27:35
before the courtroom doors. Ever opened voice for survivors
27:41
like Giselle? Speaking out isn't about telling
27:43
a story that has ended. It's about reclaiming authorship
27:46
over a narrative taken from her, one of the quietest consequences
27:50
of this kind of violence. Is that it steals your.
27:52
Ability to describe your own life, you become a person who is
27:56
now spoken about. But by testifying, by refusing
28:00
to be silent, Giselle and the woman of the as equals
28:03
investigation turned memory from something imposed into something
28:09
reclaimed. Justice, in the sense, is not a
28:12
clean ending. It's a rebalancing, quiet,
28:16
imperfect and hard one. The moment the story stops
28:20
belonging to the perpetrator and starts belonging once again to
28:24
the person it was done to. And stories like this don't end
28:29
when the episode does. They don't end when the
28:31
headlines move on to something easier to compartmentalize.
28:36
For survivors. The impact continues long.
28:40
After the world stops. Paying attention.
28:43
And that is? Where responsibility?
28:44
Shifts away from the. Courtroom and toward the rest.
28:48
Of us, if you. Feel as passionately about.
28:50
This as I do, there are practical ways.
28:52
To move that energy into the world, organizations like
28:55
Amnesty and Irrational, along with your local Rape Crisis
28:58
centers and survivor support networks, are often the only
29:01
thing standing between a survivor and total isolation.
29:04
They rely on our. Visibility.
29:06
Our funding and our refusal to treat these crimes as historical
29:09
events. The support isn't just
29:11
financial, though, it's also linguistic.
29:14
One of the most powerful things you can do.
29:16
Is help the break the. Cycle of self blame for so many
29:20
survivors. The final reflex is to turn
29:23
inward and say I should have known.
29:27
I should have. Seen this coming?
29:30
We need to help change those sentences.
29:32
The shift is simple, but it changes everything.
29:35
He shouldn't have done that to you.
29:37
And that one sentence restores accountability to the rightful
29:40
owner, removing the burden of predicting a predator's behavior
29:44
from the shoulders of the person who survived it.
29:48
Finally, we have to remember that belief is not.
29:50
Passive, it's the first. Form of intervention.
29:54
Before the law. Before the sentencing, before
29:57
the systems respond, there's a moment where someone hints at
30:01
what they've experienced. What happens next depends
30:04
entirely on whether they. Are believed belief is what?
30:09
Determines whether a pattern gets recognized or simply
30:12
ignored. It's what determines.
30:14
Whether a survivor steps. Forward or never tries in cases
30:21
like this where silence allows harm to.
30:23
Persist for a decade. Belief is more than support, its
30:26
prevention. So my call.
30:28
To you today is this. Respond differently when someone
30:31
tries to tell you the. Truth.
30:33
Listen without requiring perfect language.
30:35
Resist the urge to. Minimize what doesn't
30:37
immediately make sense. Justice doesn't begin in a
30:40
courtroom and having none. It begins in our living rooms,
30:43
in our workplaces, and in our friendships.
30:46
It begins in the moments. Where we choose to believe each
30:49
other, we started this. Episode in the supermarket in
30:54
Mazon, France. Small moment, an older man
30:58
getting caught doing something that on surface looks contained.
31:01
Almost forgettable kind of incident where if you only saw
31:04
the surface you would assume the story.
31:05
Just send it there. But nothing.
31:08
About this case stay contained or began as a single act did not
31:11
remain one. It unspooled into a pattern that
31:15
a system then something far greater than the quiet town
31:18
where it appeared. And now, at the end of this
31:21
journey, we can say clearly it was not just one man, it was not
31:26
just one website, it was not just one country.
31:30
What happened here was never isolated in the way.
31:33
We like to believe. Harm can be isolated.
31:36
It was connected and replicated and it's.
31:39
Sustained. It thrived.
31:41
Inside structures that allowed it to continue long after it
31:45
should have been stopped. And that is the uncomfortable
31:49
truth at the center of everything we've spored through
31:52
the trial, through the As equals investigation.
31:55
Through every layer we've. Pulled into the light, this is a
31:57
system that was built on silence and silence in the home, silence
32:02
in the spaces where it was coordinated, silence in the gaps
32:05
where it went unrecognized. And what we are seeing now
32:09
through the courts and the voices of.
32:10
Survivors, it's what happens. When that silence.
32:13
Breaks doesn't disappear quietly.
32:18
But there is something else that comes with that breaking point.
32:21
The truth, always. Leaves a trail, even when it's
32:24
buried, even when it's fragmented, even when it takes.
32:27
Decades to surface. It does not vanish and
32:31
accumulates and eventually it will find its way out.
32:35
That's what this story has been in its.
32:37
Core. A trail of.
32:38
Truth being followed backward through time, through systems,
32:41
and silence itself. As we close out.
32:44
This hundredth episode, I want to say thank you everyone who
32:47
has been listening from the beginning, and to those of you
32:49
who joined somewhere along the way.
32:51
This journey has always been about following the evidence
32:53
wherever it leads, even when it leads into.
32:56
Places that are difficult to sit with.
32:58
For 100. Episodes.
32:59
We've asked. The same question what happens
33:02
when the unthinkable occurs? And how does justice?
33:05
Respond I'm not done asking because the truth doesn't stop
33:10
revealing itself. Just.
33:10
Because a case is closed, or a verdict was delivered or story
33:14
reached. Its final chapter.
33:16
The truth. Keeps moving and I intend to
33:19
keep following it. With you.
33:22
When cures get caught will probably change over time, as
33:24
all things do, but my commitment to this work and to these
33:27
stories into the. Pursuit of reality.
33:29
Beneath them will never stop. Because the truth always leaves
33:33
a trail. And I will keep searching for
33:35
it. Thank you for 100 episodes and
33:38
thank you for always listening.