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Credlin | 17 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krendlin live on Skying's Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great heavy company. Here's what's coming up tonight
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Speaker 2: on Kredline. Chris Bowen, a hapless energy minister, ramps up
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Speaker 2: his attack on the coalition's nuclear plan, going.
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Speaker 3: At a frolic.
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Speaker 2: His former liberal Matt Kean makes a big speech attacking
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Speaker 2: coal and new migrants added to our population every single minute.
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Speaker 2: That's the alarming statistic confirmed today as Australia's housing crisis
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Speaker 2: worsens and Labor's exposed for its failure to cut migration
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Speaker 2: as promised. Across Live to the US for all the
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Speaker 2: latest from a big Day two with the Republican National Conference,
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Speaker 2: and cover revelations today of an Iranian plot against Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump detected by US intelligence, and the old easy government
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Speaker 2: talks tough on the CFWU, but stops short of outlawing
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Speaker 2: the rogue Union.
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Speaker 4: I want to make sure that the regulator has no
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Speaker 4: barriers in dealing with any part of the construction division.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 6: I think what we're seeing at the moment from the CFMAU,
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Speaker 6: their thuggish behavior, the criminal conduct. We're only just scratching
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Speaker 6: the surface at the moment. My view is that this
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Speaker 6: will turn out to be the biggest defrauding of the
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Speaker 6: Australian taxpayer in our country's history.
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Speaker 2: But first, here's a challenge for our motor mouth energy minister,
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Speaker 2: that empty vessel, Chris Bowen. If renewables really are the
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Speaker 2: cheapest form of power, as he's claimed over and over again,
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Speaker 2: even again today at the National Press Club, why they
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Speaker 2: still need billions in subsidies.
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Speaker 7: Our grit is almost, as I said, forty percent renewable today.
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Speaker 7: Renewable energy is incredibly cheap because its fuel is free,
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Speaker 7: because it's the sunshine and the wind.
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Speaker 2: And if renewables really are going to form eighty two
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Speaker 2: percent of our power generation in just six years, what
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Speaker 2: are we going to do for power when the wind
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Speaker 2: doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine, which still is
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Speaker 2: about sixty percent of the time. And if renewables really
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Speaker 2: are the cheapest form of electricity generation as the CSIRO claimed,
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Speaker 2: what about adding in all the extra costs of electricity
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Speaker 2: delivery and the extra costs of ferming to tell the
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Speaker 2: whole truth about the costs of Labour's green dream. Bowen
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Speaker 2: and the alban Easy government are trying to pitch the
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Speaker 2: next election as a choice between electricity generation from renewables
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Speaker 2: versus electricity generation from nuclear. But Opposition leader Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: is not against renewables, He's just four nuclear power as
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Speaker 2: an essential part of our energy mix if we are
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Speaker 2: to get to net zero and keep the lights on.
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Speaker 2: Bowen and Albanisi, by contrast, stressed that the sun and
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Speaker 2: the wind are free forgetting. Of course a Chinese main
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Speaker 2: wind turbines and Chinese made solar.
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Speaker 3: Panels certainly aren't free.
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Speaker 2: And all the extra transmission lines required for a decentralized system,
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Speaker 2: well they're not free. And all the gas needed for
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Speaker 2: backup generation, well that's not free either. If renewables are
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Speaker 2: so cheap, how have power prices risen ever faster the
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Speaker 2: more renewables we have. I mean, you pay your power bills.
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Speaker 2: It's not getting any cheaper, is it. And if nuclear
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Speaker 2: is so expensive, why do more than thirty countries have
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Speaker 2: nuclear power with many many more planning for it today
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Speaker 2: what was supposed to be a coordinated hit on nuclear power.
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Speaker 2: Labour's agricultural Minister Murray White also claimed that nuclear power
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Speaker 2: would take water away from farmers.
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Speaker 8: Nuclear energy production is a thirsty endeavor. The generation of
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Speaker 8: nuclear energy requires a significant amount of water to all
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Speaker 8: the radioactive cause, a lot more water than is required
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Speaker 8: for coal fired or renewable energy.
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Speaker 2: This is pretty rich, isn't it, Coming from the party
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Speaker 2: that's inflicted water poverty on thousands of irrigators via water
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Speaker 2: buybacks supposedly to save the planet, and from the party
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Speaker 2: that's threatening to carpet an area almost as large as
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Speaker 2: the state of Victoria with wind turbines and solar panels
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Speaker 2: as far as the eye can see, all in the
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Speaker 2: name of saving the planet. Turbines and solar panels that
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Speaker 2: create jobs in China, not jobs here. And I'm like
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Speaker 2: you to give us twenty years of useful life if
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Speaker 2: that not to mention the degradation these eyesols will inflict
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Speaker 2: on our regional and rural landscape.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: Labours starting to get a bit desperate when Malcolm Turbules
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Speaker 2: wheeled out as he was again today, to attack liberal
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Speaker 2: policy and support labor, claiming that the only people who
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Speaker 2: support nuclear are on the nuttier fringe. And yet many
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Speaker 2: countries Malcolm, well, they run their power systems on nuclear,
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Speaker 2: including your mates, the frene. I mean, I think Macron's
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Speaker 2: nutty clearly, So two to you. The truth is that
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Speaker 2: no countries, not one anywhere, plan to run their electricity
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Speaker 2: system pretty much exclusively on wind and solar, because that
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Speaker 2: would be horrifically expensive.
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Speaker 3: But that's where we are headed.
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Speaker 2: So see Bowen's hyperbole for what it really is, just
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Speaker 2: more hot air and wind from a bloke who's made
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Speaker 2: a career of stuffing up every portfolio he's ever had.
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Speaker 2: After days of allegations now about the criminality of the
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Speaker 2: main construction Union, the CFMU, the Prime Minister has pulled
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Speaker 2: out his wet lettuce and ordered that the union be
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Speaker 2: placed into administration. But there's no plan to forcibly disaffiliate
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Speaker 2: the union from the Labor Party federally, at least because
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Speaker 2: that would mean giving up about a million dollars a
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Speaker 2: year in affiliation fees and because it would undermine the
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Speaker 2: PM's left faction power base. There's no plan either to
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Speaker 2: bring back a cop on the a tough cop on
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Speaker 2: the beat to police the industry like the one the
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Speaker 2: government abolished and it's almost first act in office, because
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Speaker 2: that might protect the small businesses that have been at
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Speaker 2: risk of thuggish intimidation from this union for over a decade. Today,
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Speaker 2: the Workplace Relations Minister Tony Burke was all shocked innocence,
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Speaker 2: claiming that he'd never before heard of the CFM meu
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Speaker 2: US links to organized crime.
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Speaker 4: Sometimes additional evidence comes through the media. On this occasion,
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Speaker 4: the evidence about organized crime has come through the media.
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Speaker 4: I'm grateful that that's been exposed and that's why we're acting.
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Speaker 4: I think some of this goes to the nature of
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Speaker 4: organized crime. But this is something I had not been
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Speaker 4: previously briefed on and it is something that as I say,
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Speaker 4: not in terms of organized crime, the organized crime issue,
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Speaker 4: and I just go to it was published as an exclusive.
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Speaker 4: That's because this was new information.
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Speaker 3: Give me break. That's a gold medal of performance. There isn't.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it can't have been following the newspapers, given
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Speaker 2: that back in twenty twelve The Australian reported the powwow
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Speaker 2: between CFMAU boss John Secker and gangland figure Mick Gatto.
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Speaker 2: Criminality within the unions being the subject of several Royal
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Speaker 2: commissions and dozens and dozens of court cases, mostly launched
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Speaker 2: by the same ABCC that Burke abolished.
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Speaker 3: Does a payoff to this crooked union?
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Speaker 6: I know that Tony Burke, the Industrial Relations Minister's been
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Speaker 6: out today saying that he's responded because he's just found
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Speaker 6: out now that there's been some link between the CFMU
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Speaker 6: and bikes and organized crime figures. The fact is that
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Speaker 6: this goes back years and years. The fact is as
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Speaker 6: we know the bikes have been involved, we know, for example,
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Speaker 6: back to twenty fourteen. How could this come as a
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Speaker 6: surprise to Tony Burke today when we've known for the
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Speaker 6: last decade mc gatto and Bikeys and others have been
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Speaker 6: involved with the CFMU. But this has all been public
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Speaker 6: knowledge and the Minister saying that he's never received a
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Speaker 6: briefing in relation to it. It just lacks credibility.
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Speaker 2: So see the government's actions for what they really are.
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Speaker 2: These words too today from the ACTU boss Sally.
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Speaker 9: McManus, we absolutely reiterate our zero tolerance for corruption, criminal activities,
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Speaker 9: all violence, all of it. Will stand against it, we'll
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Speaker 9: root it out were you will continue to do what
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Speaker 9: is necessary to rid our movement of any elements like that.
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Speaker 2: Talking tough, sure, but it wasn't so long ago. She
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Speaker 2: had her arm around John Setka and he had his
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Speaker 2: arm around her. And no permanent rejection of the CFMAU
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Speaker 2: from McManus either. I mean, just like the government, it's
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Speaker 2: a mere suspension, more window addressing all of this to
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Speaker 2: solve a political problem, not real action to make a
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Speaker 2: difference to the standover tactics that this union is notorious for.
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Speaker 3: Labor's going to.
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Speaker 2: Keep taking their money and suspend them just long enough
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Speaker 2: for the news cycle to move on. All right, Let's
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Speaker 2: go to Camber now for the headlines. Sky News political
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Speaker 2: reporter Olivia Caisley.
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Speaker 10: Good Evening Peter Dutton says the Prime Minister is abrogating
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Speaker 10: his responsibility over the CFMU allegationations. Anthony Abenezi says his
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Speaker 10: government has acted swiftly and will appoint independent administrators over
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Speaker 10: the cfmeu's Victorian, New South Wales and Queensland branches.
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Speaker 6: The only thing that's changed here is that the Prime
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Speaker 6: Minister's mates have been caught on tape, and that's what's
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Speaker 6: happened here. The Prime Minister has known of the activities
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Speaker 6: of the CFMU for years and years.
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Speaker 10: The Australian Council of Trade Unions has suspended the CFMEU
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Speaker 10: indefinitely until it can prove it has read itself of
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Speaker 10: criminal elements and can conduct itself lawfully.
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Speaker 4: What I'm wanting to do is to make sure that
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Speaker 4: this is a process led by the regulator and not
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Speaker 4: a political process.
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Speaker 7: We're not waiting, We're being decisive and we've worked through
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Speaker 7: with the Fair Work Commission as we said we would do,
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Speaker 7: and with legal advice as we said.
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Speaker 2: We would do.
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Speaker 10: Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott says the Albanesi government should
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Speaker 10: reinstate its Australian ambassador in Kiev on the tenth anniversary
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Speaker 10: of the downing of MH seventeen.
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Speaker 5: And if there's one thing that we could do right
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Speaker 5: now to indicate our deep solidarity and gratitude with the
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Speaker 5: Ukrainian people, that would be to restore our ambassador to Kiev.
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Speaker 10: The diplomatic posting was created in the aftermath of the
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Speaker 10: tragedy to help coordinate the Australian response, but once Russia invaded,
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Speaker 10: the ambassador was shifted to Warsaw over safety concerns. Ukraine's
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Speaker 10: own representative in Canberra says, it's a good idea.
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Speaker 11: My role here as an ambassador of Ukraine to Australia
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Speaker 11: is to communicate on the daily basis engage was Australian
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Speaker 11: government and that could be reflected and also mirrored with
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Speaker 11: the Australian ambassador in Ukraine on the ground, and certainly
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Speaker 11: will welcome his return.
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Speaker 10: Ten years after the flight was shot down by Russian separatists,
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Speaker 10: A moment of quiet reflection.
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Speaker 12: Mothers, fathers, grandparents, pillars of communities, lives of service, cuts short,
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Speaker 12: each a singular tragedy and an infinite loss.
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Speaker 10: And renewed vigor to hold those responsible to account. There's
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Speaker 10: still no justice for the victims. The perpetrators remain at
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Speaker 10: large as Russia refuses to hand them over.
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Speaker 5: It was a crime, not an accident.
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Speaker 13: I am hopeful that at some point there will be justice.
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Speaker 1: It was a signal, tragically of even worse to come
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Speaker 1: from Russia.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a look at it. That's in
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Speaker 2: plenty of other stories around.
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Speaker 3: Let's join that.
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Speaker 2: I'm joined now by Sky News senior reporter Caroline Marcus,
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Speaker 2: our New South Wales political reporter for The Australian, Alexi Dimitriati.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. Let's start where we finished there
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Speaker 2: on that package. The ten year anniversary of the downing
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Speaker 2: of MH seventeen, the Malaysian Airlines flight shot down by
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Speaker 2: Russian made missiles over Ukraine, two hundred and ninety eight
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Speaker 2: passengers and crew on board killed, including thirty eight Australians.
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Speaker 2: Then Prime Minister Tony Aba Caroline was caned by the
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Speaker 2: left media for his comments about Vladimir Putin, But given
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Speaker 2: what we've seen of Putin today, those comments have stood
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Speaker 2: the test of time. Wants an apology from the Russians,
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Speaker 2: and he wants compensation for victims. He also made that
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Speaker 2: impassioned plea for Australia to reopen our embassy in Kiev.
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Speaker 2: The world's now alive to Putin's expansionist agenda, but still
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Speaker 2: no remorse at all from the dictator, is there no?
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Speaker 14: And I mean Russia's never accepted any responsibility over this,
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Speaker 14: and I don't know if they ever will. I mean,
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Speaker 14: the Dutch court found them to Russians guilty plus a
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Speaker 14: pro Russian Ukrainian for this awful attack in which so
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Speaker 14: many Australians lost their lives, among so many others. But
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Speaker 14: as you say, time has really backed Tony Abbott in
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Speaker 14: terms of his actions back then, which he cops some
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Speaker 14: stick over, but with the benefit of hindsight, we see
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Speaker 14: that he was absolutely right to say. In case anyone
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Speaker 14: needs reminding because the statement has gone down in political
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Speaker 14: history since then that he would shirt front. Maybe if
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Speaker 14: they'd been a bit more shirt fronting from other leaders
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Speaker 14: around the world, the war wouldn't have happened two years ago.
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Speaker 3: The invasion into Ukraine. I don't know.
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Speaker 14: But what I do know is that on account on
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Speaker 14: his remarks about returning the ambassador to Kiev after Australia
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Speaker 14: pulled them out on the invasion in Ukraine, I think
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Speaker 14: that's right for a few reasons. One because it's morally
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Speaker 14: the right thing to do, and second of all, because
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Speaker 14: it does show our gratitude and expresses our solidarity with
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Speaker 14: Ukraine after the Russian invasion. So we should have we
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Speaker 14: should have someone there spot on it.
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Speaker 2: And look, given the support we're giving Ukraine, it's really
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Speaker 2: hard to do that properly, to get it right remotely
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Speaker 2: out of Poland. I mean, we need to have officials
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Speaker 2: on the ground. Other countries do. I think there's seventy
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Speaker 2: other countries back there already. We need to be back there,
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Speaker 2: and I think I can't copy the excuses from Defact.
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Speaker 2: Let's move to something you've reported exclusively today in the paper,
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Speaker 2: the Muslim vote movement Alexi their plans to unseat Labor
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Speaker 2: MPs in Western Sydney. Your reports though, say the group's
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Speaker 2: already riven within fighting what's going on.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's certainly the movement and campaign that kind of
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Speaker 15: really shot to prominence and was propelled into the public
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Speaker 15: eye fortnit Ago with Senator Payment's resignation. It really was,
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Speaker 15: you know, front page news news every day. Our understanding
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Speaker 15: from people within the community within Canberra is that it's
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Speaker 15: struggling to lock in and tie down particularly high profile
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Speaker 15: candidates in those two Southwest Sydney target seats of black
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Speaker 15: Si and Watson. If you remember that week shake west
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Speaker 15: Ham Chakawi, who's the convener, the leader of the Muslim Vote,
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Speaker 15: told me that candidates would be announced within days. Of
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Speaker 15: course hasn't happened. It's two weeks on and we understand
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Speaker 15: they are struggling to tie down you know, prominent candidates
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Speaker 15: that could put up a viable fight against both Minister
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Speaker 15: Claire and mister Burke. The Muslim vote within the community
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Speaker 15: is I think it's accurately unfair to say it is divisive.
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Speaker 15: There's some within the community that are very much against it,
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Speaker 15: and then there's some that well, no formal group has
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Speaker 15: endorsed it or has a role in it. Are are
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Speaker 15: positive to the idea of the community having their voice heard.
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Speaker 15: We understand that from political sources that it is struggling
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Speaker 15: to determine the best way forward. It's there's debates going
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Speaker 15: at the moment about what the best strategy for it is,
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Speaker 15: and it's going to be weeks I think before they
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Speaker 15: come to that conclusion.
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Speaker 2: Well, my read on that then Labor would be smarter
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Speaker 2: to go to an election sooner and May next year,
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Speaker 2: because the more time they give this grouping, as we've
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Speaker 2: seen in the United Kingdom, the more time they give
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Speaker 2: this group in, the more deadly they're likely to be.
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Speaker 2: I read everything you write on this topic with a
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Speaker 2: lot of interest. Lexi, thanks for being with us tonight.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the CFMU. Labor government, state and federal
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Speaker 2: are all scrambling to respond to these allegations of corrupted
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Speaker 2: criminal behavior.
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Speaker 3: It is, of course the CFMU.
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Speaker 2: The party's largest donor, or one of but certainly it's
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Speaker 2: the largest vote block inside the ALP. Today, the Albertezi
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Speaker 2: government announced it would appoint an independent administrator to oversee
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Speaker 2: the CFMU, but Caroline it stopped short of outlawing the Union,
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Speaker 2: something Bob Hawk did to its unsavory predecessor, the BLF. Now,
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Speaker 2: if Hawk can scrap the BLF and I put the
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Speaker 2: CFMU in pretty much the same category, surely they've got
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Speaker 2: to do more than just put them into administration. I
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Speaker 2: think they're just waiting for the new cycle to move on.
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Speaker 2: They want their money and they're the power block for
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Speaker 2: the left, and that's precisely the Prime Minister's faction.
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Speaker 14: Look, it does seem largely symbolic what's happening. It's not
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Speaker 14: like the handing pack the bags of cash that they've
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Speaker 14: got from the Union of the years and are completely
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Speaker 14: wiping their hands of them. But I suppose the governments,
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Speaker 14: the state governments would be criticized if they did nothing either,
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Speaker 14: So at least they're doing something, as little.
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Speaker 3: As it might be in reality.
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Speaker 14: What we know about this, obviously is there's been a
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Speaker 14: lot of damning allegations and video that's come out in
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Speaker 14: the past few days and news up Wales. The Premier
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Speaker 14: has moved to suspend the Union state secretary and he's
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Speaker 14: trying to do that through the courts after that footage
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Speaker 14: of him allegedly taking a five thousand dollars cash bribe.
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Speaker 14: Now that we should say that State secretary has denied
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Speaker 14: any wrongdoing in this, and we're not suggesting there has
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Speaker 14: been any wrongdoing.
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Speaker 3: Only that it is before the courts.
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Speaker 14: But still there are some pretty damning allegations happening here,
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Speaker 14: and I think people do expect more from the governments
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Speaker 14: when unions are their thuggish behavior is exposed, and alleged
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Speaker 14: corruption appears to have been exposed as well. I feel
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Speaker 14: like it's it's like a couple that's been married or
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Speaker 14: in a relationship for a really long time. The woman's
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Speaker 14: having everyone tell her, look, this guy's no good for you,
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Speaker 14: he's bad. You have to do something, and she's going
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Speaker 14: I don't really want to, but everyone's telling me I
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Speaker 14: have to. Maybe he'll sleep on the couch for the night.
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Speaker 3: That's what that's the impression. All of these actions give me.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And if they had any ticket, they'd be straight
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Speaker 2: to the divorce courts, not sleeping on the couch. But
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Speaker 2: I get your message there for the Labor Party. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to New South Wales. The men's government there looking
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Speaker 2: set to backflip on an election promise, not to impose
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Speaker 2: new tolls on the city's costly road network.
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Speaker 3: An independent review has.
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Speaker 2: Recommended adding and you know south bound charge across the
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Speaker 2: Sydney Harbor Bridge and Tunnel in order they say, they say,
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Speaker 2: to reduce tolls on other roads, an idea of course
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Speaker 2: at Chris Min's slammed in opposition. So this would be
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Speaker 2: a double toll if I can say that in relation
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Speaker 2: to the Sydney Harbor Bridge Alexi. Sydney motorists will already
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Speaker 2: pay one hundred and ninety five billion dollars in tolls
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Speaker 2: over the next thirty seven years. It's the most tolled
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Speaker 2: city in the world. Surely this will be political pain
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Speaker 2: for the government.
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Speaker 15: Yes, definitely, And the opposition to the proposals was clear
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Speaker 15: across this morning. Liberal MPs of Electrics on the North Shore,
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Speaker 15: Matt Cross of Davidson, you know, totally against the idea,
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Speaker 15: particularly during cost of living crisis. Michael Reagan, the Independent
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Speaker 15: member for Wakehurst, also totally against the idea of extra
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Speaker 15: charges and extra tolls for drivers. And of course, as
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Speaker 15: you as you reference there, the Liberal Acting leader Damien Tudeau,
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Speaker 15: very cheakly on on X retweeted that Chris Men's tweet
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Speaker 15: from twenty twenty one saying his opposition to a double
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Speaker 15: toll it's certainly not going to be popular. You know,
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Speaker 15: we're both within Parliament in the on the opposition benches,
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Speaker 15: but also with you know, regular Sydney siders, drivers who
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Speaker 15: in a cost of living crisis just going to have
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Speaker 15: extra charges, extra fees on top of the already high
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Speaker 15: tolls and cost of living. So it's certainly not going
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Speaker 15: to be a popular, popular proposal across I don't think
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Speaker 15: any any swathe of group or voting, not at all.
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Speaker 3: Not at all.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Alexi, Thanks Caroline, see you next week. Well let's
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Speaker 2: go live now to Washington, where it's been not only
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Speaker 2: a big second day for the Republican Convention, but more
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Speaker 2: even more details have emerged over the Secret Service blunders
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Speaker 2: around the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, this new detail
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Speaker 2: of Naranian plot against the former president, and Joe Biden
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Speaker 2: hitting the campaign trail. Let's bring in senior political reporter
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Speaker 2: Trudy McIntosh. Well, great to have you, Trudy. I am
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Speaker 2: very grateful and mindful that it's about three a m.
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Speaker 3: In the morning where.
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Speaker 2: You are, but it was a fantastic suite of Republicans
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Speaker 2: today who took the stage, many of course who ran
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Speaker 2: in the primaries against Trump coming together in a big
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Speaker 2: show of unity.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a look.
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Speaker 16: Donald Trump has my strong endorsement.
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Speaker 3: Period.
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Speaker 16: A vote for Joe Biden is a vote for president
22:48
Speaker 16: Kamala Harris. Let me remind you Kamala had one job,
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Speaker 16: one job, and that was to fix the border. Now
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Speaker 16: imagine her in charge of the entire country.
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Speaker 11: I say this as the kid of legal immigrants to
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Speaker 11: this country.
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Speaker 5: That means your first act of entering this country cannot
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Speaker 5: break the law.
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Speaker 17: That is why we will seal the southern border on
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Speaker 17: day one.
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Speaker 18: We will return you to your country of origin.
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Speaker 8: Not because you're all bad people, but because you broke
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Speaker 8: the law.
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Speaker 16: Let's heed the call of our party's nominee to fight, fight,
23:28
Speaker 16: fight for these United States.
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Speaker 2: I didn't play it there, but I mean Haley really
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Speaker 2: went after the Biden record and foreign affairs Rhonda Santis well.
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Speaker 2: He hit all the high notes on traditional values and
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Speaker 2: sort of arguments that win votes in the South and
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Speaker 2: vivid Ramaswami there. He went hard on the border chaos.
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Speaker 2: I mean, speech after speech after speech. J's I fight
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Speaker 2: up the crowd truty.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a Republican Party in Donald Trump's image, isn't it.
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Speaker 13: I thought that so emblematic watching Nicki Hayley's speech here,
24:03
Speaker 13: don't forget in February, she said she didn't feel the
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Speaker 13: need to kiss the ring and said she didn't like
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Speaker 13: the fact that Republicans would publicly praise Trump and privately
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Speaker 13: despise him. But here we are in July she did
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Speaker 13: exactly that last night. She clearly still has future ambitions
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Speaker 13: within the Republican Party and a party that's embraced Trump.
24:23
Speaker 13: She has to embrace that too. But the turning point
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Speaker 13: for her was that assassination attempt we saw at the weekend.
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Speaker 13: She didn't have a speaking spot. Prior to that, there'd
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Speaker 13: been talked that she wouldn't even come to the convention,
24:34
Speaker 13: But as a result of that, she gets a primetime spot.
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Speaker 13: Trump's watching on all of Republicans and people more broadly
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Speaker 13: undecided voters able to see that the two clearly have
24:43
Speaker 13: buried the hatchet in some sense.
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Speaker 2: There was also a speaker of Mum talking about the
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Speaker 2: fentanyl crisis in the States, and I looked as they
24:52
Speaker 2: panned around the crowd predominantly the women tears in their eyes,
24:56
Speaker 2: some very emotional listening to that speech. I mean clearly
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Speaker 2: the Republicans to fight with Biden over law and order,
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Speaker 2: and of course tomorrow a bloke that grew up with
25:05
Speaker 2: drugs in his family.
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Speaker 3: JD.
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Speaker 2: Vans he'll take the stage for his first big set speech.
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Speaker 3: Now as Donald Trump's running mate.
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Speaker 13: What can we expect, Well, this is his real opportunity
25:17
Speaker 13: to introduce himself to broader America. I'd point out he
25:21
Speaker 13: has relatively little experience for a vice presidential candidate. He
25:24
Speaker 13: only was elected to the Senate from Ohio back in
25:27
Speaker 13: twenty twenty two. But he's got an incredible log cabin story,
25:31
Speaker 13: and I expect we'll hear some of that tonight when
25:33
Speaker 13: he speaks. As you say, grew up in Ohio. He's
25:37
Speaker 13: a Hillbilly heritage, proudly his mum had a drug addiction.
25:41
Speaker 13: He goes on to serve as a marine, then becomes
25:43
Speaker 13: a venture capitalist, and now makes his way into politics.
25:47
Speaker 13: It's a fascinating story for him. Despite being a never
25:49
Speaker 13: Trumper in twenty sixteen, Trump's team believe he can help
25:54
Speaker 13: them in some of those rough spelt states. Speak to
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Speaker 13: the story of so many Americans struggling and that American
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Speaker 13: dream that we hear so much about.
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Speaker 2: I might add, though, I mean he has more experience
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Speaker 2: than Obama, who was running for the top job. Vance
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Speaker 2: is running for the second most important job. But I
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Speaker 2: take your point criticism today to truty. Secret Service really
26:17
Speaker 2: under fire for the handling of the assassination attempt. We
26:20
Speaker 2: haven't really had a credible explanation offered as to why
26:23
Speaker 2: that roof was unsecured, why someone was up there for
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Speaker 2: as much as twenty six minutes. The best at the
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Speaker 2: head of the Secret Service could offer was that the
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Speaker 2: roof was sloped.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen, did that roof have been secure?
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Speaker 2: Period?
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Speaker 19: That building in particular has a sloped roof at its
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Speaker 19: highest point, and so you know there's a safety factor
26:43
Speaker 19: that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to
26:45
Speaker 19: put somebody up on a sloped roof.
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Speaker 2: And I read it stinging criticism from the journalist Andrew Neil,
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Speaker 2: who was there when Reagan was shot, and he was
26:55
Speaker 2: highlighting the contrast between that shooting and Saturday, and he
26:59
Speaker 2: lamented the iteration of the Sacred Service, highlighting the fact
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Speaker 2: that the head of Homeland security who runs a Sacred
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Speaker 2: Service is a huge proponent of equality and inclusion hires
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Speaker 2: rather than meritocracy, something that Megan Kelly picked up.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 18: So absurd to try to paint this as female empowerment.
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Speaker 18: Is it female empowerment to take a bunch of women
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Speaker 18: who are obviously unqualified for the job and let them
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Speaker 18: publicly humiliate themselves and endanger the lives of a president? Diversity, equity,
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Speaker 18: inclusion have no place in jobs that relate to safety
27:34
Speaker 18: and security. There was a woman in my townhouse unit
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Speaker 18: who was about six foot two and strong, and she
27:43
Speaker 18: was a Secret Service agent.
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Speaker 3: Those are the only ones who should even be considered.
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Speaker 3: I agree with her.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're in days this reckoning of the Sacred
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Speaker 2: Service and Saturday, what's going on?
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Speaker 13: Well, there's growing calls paid for the Sacred Service director
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Speaker 13: Kimberly Cheadle to resign. We're hearing that from senior Republicans,
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Speaker 13: including Ted Cruz. So far she's yet to do that.
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Speaker 13: She's doing a series of TV interviews like that disaster
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Speaker 13: you saw there about the sloped roof.
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Speaker 3: She's going to have to.
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Speaker 13: Face sustained questioning though this next Monday, coming up at
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Speaker 13: Capitol Hill behind me. She's going to face congressional hearings
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Speaker 13: as a number that are slated in the next week
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Speaker 13: or so. The roof argument just defied credulity. Yesterday. Fine,
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Speaker 13: if it's unsafe to be on a sloped roof, why
28:28
Speaker 13: then didn't they make sure nobody else could get on
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Speaker 13: top of that roof? That was a clear vulnerability. We've
28:33
Speaker 13: also seen the blame game too in the last twenty
28:34
Speaker 13: four hours, blaming local law enforcement. So yeah, there's a
28:37
Speaker 13: long way to run on this story.
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Speaker 2: Of course, all of these, all these activities forced Joe
28:43
Speaker 2: Biden to get out of his basement and campaign, something
28:46
Speaker 2: has been slow to do. He was at an NA
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Speaker 2: DOUBLECP event, so he was sitting down then with CBS.
28:54
Speaker 3: Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 6: Some medical condition that emerged.
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Speaker 15: If somebody, if the doctors can said you go this problem,
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Speaker 15: that problem.
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Speaker 10: But I mean a serious mistake in.
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Speaker 14: The whole debate.
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Speaker 3: NAACP.
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Speaker 2: I think I'm meant to say, you'd think if he's
29:13
Speaker 2: got a serious medical issue, that'd be about now, wouldn't it.
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Speaker 13: Trudy Well, that comment really jumped out to me, Peter,
29:20
Speaker 13: because remember in his first interview since that big disastrous debate.
29:24
Speaker 13: He said, only God Almighty could tell him to get
29:26
Speaker 13: out of the race. Here we are now, it's a
29:28
Speaker 13: mere mortal, just a doctor, and he says he would
29:31
Speaker 13: change his mind. That is an inn for Democrats who
29:33
Speaker 13: are privately harboring huge concerns about Joe Biden remaining on
29:37
Speaker 13: the top of the ticket. It's one thing to lose
29:39
Speaker 13: the presidency, loses second term, but there are big, down
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Speaker 13: ballid implications that Democrats are really worried about. If you
29:45
Speaker 13: don't have turnout for a Democrat at the top of
29:48
Speaker 13: the ticket, what then happens? And are trying to flip
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Speaker 13: the House, trying to maintain key Senate spots.
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Speaker 3: So this is a huge problem.
29:55
Speaker 13: The assassination attempt on Trump just buried this conversation about
29:58
Speaker 13: Joe Biden's future, but it is certainly still bubbling away
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Speaker 13: here in DC.
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Speaker 2: Right just before I let you go and get some
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Speaker 2: coffee to keep going dire predictions. Democrats have got some
30:10
Speaker 2: shocking poles coming out from CNN showing the Republicans will
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Speaker 2: win the White House in a landslide, Michigan's leaning red,
30:17
Speaker 2: even Georgia, which flipped Democrat in twenty twenties leaning Republican.
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Speaker 2: They've got to be pretty demoralized at this point, don't they.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, the map is terrible if your Democrats looking at that,
30:30
Speaker 13: But it seems like unless Joe Biden wants to go,
30:33
Speaker 13: he's not going anywhere. We saw yesterday as well here
30:36
Speaker 13: they're trying to speed up that virtual nomination process. So
30:39
Speaker 13: there's five weeks until the Democrats have their convention. They
30:42
Speaker 13: want to lock this up in the next week or
30:43
Speaker 13: so to make it basically impossible to get rid of
30:46
Speaker 13: Biden from the ticket. They believe they can turn the
30:48
Speaker 13: polls around, but that's going to be a huge battle
30:51
Speaker 13: given the real concerns average Americans have about Joe Biden's
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Speaker 13: fitness for office.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're well done their treaty. That's a good sweep
31:01
Speaker 2: of all the big issues there today in the States.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. I know it's early, all right.
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Speaker 3: Tomorrow, of course a big date. We'll see JD. Evans.
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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, come forward and speak. We'll stay across that.
31:11
Speaker 2: I'll bring you that tomorrow and night. After the break though,
31:14
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what was a lot there, haven't we?
31:16
Speaker 2: Another broken promise from labor on immigration Australia, adding and
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Speaker 2: you migrant to our population every single minute. Plus calls
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Speaker 2: are mounting for senior politicians to stand aside because taxpayers
31:29
Speaker 2: are taken for a ride by the CFMU. Welcome back
31:38
Speaker 2: reports today too, Tony Abbott is seeking to broker a
31:42
Speaker 2: peace deal between Victoria and Liberal Opposition leader John Persuto
31:46
Speaker 2: and our stired liberal Moira and Deeming. I'll have an
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Speaker 2: update for you on that in a moment, but first
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Speaker 2: my panel, let's bring them in Liberal Senator James McGrath
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Speaker 2: from the beautiful state of Queensland and also from Queensland
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Speaker 2: l and P MP Keith Pitt Gents welcome. Chris Bowen
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Speaker 2: today launched a new attack on nuclear energy, no less
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Speaker 2: intelligible than these earlier ones, telling the National Press Club
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Speaker 2: that Peter Dutton's plan is an ill informed nuclear frolic
32:13
Speaker 2: which will drive up power bills.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 7: The Opposition blithely, and i must say arrogantly, ignores the
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Speaker 7: data and facts from experts about the time and cost
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Speaker 7: to build a nuclear industry for Australia and presents therefore
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Speaker 7: a false future in Australia. Nuclear and renewables simply aren't
32:33
Speaker 7: compatible with each other.
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Speaker 3: Keith.
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Speaker 2: He talks about numbers and facts, but in his own
32:40
Speaker 2: costings those he will even release. We don't get half
32:44
Speaker 2: the detail that should be in there.
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Speaker 17: Disconnected from reality. Let's zero Australia's put Labour's plan at
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Speaker 17: one point five trillion dollars one and a half trillion,
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Speaker 17: and that all has to be recovered from electricity users.
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Speaker 17: This won't work. You can't run the nation on part
33:02
Speaker 17: time power. Where one of the top twenty economies and
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Speaker 17: we're the only one that's not moving the nuclear already
33:08
Speaker 17: has nuclear energy being used for electricity generation. And never
33:13
Speaker 17: forget it is foreign companies that are investing in intermittent
33:17
Speaker 17: wind and solar because they make enormous rates of return.
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Speaker 17: It's not about reliability, it's not about cost, and that's
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Speaker 17: what it should be about. And at least our proposal, Peter,
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Speaker 17: it'll be owned by the taxpayer and that doesn't mean
33:28
Speaker 17: you have to have enormous rates of return, reliable energy
33:32
Speaker 17: net zero, there's zero missions.
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Speaker 3: And it works well. That's tweetled today.
33:39
Speaker 2: Tweetled down the Agricultural Minister Murray what He also went
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Speaker 2: on the attack, claiming James that nuclear could pose a
33:45
Speaker 2: threat to our agricultural industry by taking away water from farmers.
33:53
Speaker 8: Nuclear energy production is a thirsty endeavor. The generation of
33:58
Speaker 8: nuclear energy require as a significant amount of water to
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Speaker 8: cool the radioactive cause, a lot more water than is
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Speaker 8: required for coal fired or renewable energy.
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Speaker 2: James, look at labour's record decimating farmers in the Murray
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Speaker 2: Darling basin. They have absolutely no credibility here do.
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Speaker 1: They none whatsoever? And especially with Murray Wat he is
34:24
Speaker 1: part of Queensland Labor, which delivered Australia's biggest infrastructure fail
34:28
Speaker 1: being Paradise dam. You look what they're doing on the
34:31
Speaker 1: Murray Basin. Labor have no probability.
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Speaker 3: What this shows is the.
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Speaker 1: Scare campaign that has come about nuclear. Are they going
34:39
Speaker 1: to throw all sorts of stats and all sorts of
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Speaker 1: madness because Labor don't actually have a plan for Australia's
34:44
Speaker 1: energy future. Only the Coalition does because we want to
34:47
Speaker 1: use all forms of energy, because we're taking a common
34:50
Speaker 1: sense approach. So I'd say any of you is don't
34:53
Speaker 1: believe anything that any Labor politician says when it comes
34:56
Speaker 1: to energy, especially Chris Bowen or Murray Watt.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that.
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Speaker 2: I'd believe some of your former liberals there either. I
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Speaker 2: mean Nat Keen today delivering his first big speech since
35:09
Speaker 2: he was appointed by Labor to be their climate change zar.
35:13
Speaker 2: He's gone hard about clean energy. He's also going hard
35:18
Speaker 2: against Cole. He warned the opponents of the energy transition
35:21
Speaker 2: are he says, loud and determined, and he urged those
35:24
Speaker 2: in the industry to put their money where their mouth is.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Keith, are you surprised by.
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Speaker 1: This, Peter?
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Speaker 17: I think the people of New South Wales should ask
35:33
Speaker 17: for a refund. He's still being paid by the tax
35:36
Speaker 17: bar And as far as I'm aware, he is an
35:38
Speaker 17: MP and he's running these things already, running Labor's lines,
35:44
Speaker 17: running Labour's proposals, and he's supposedly a member of the
35:47
Speaker 17: Liberal Party. And as I said earlier, he's promoting foreign
35:51
Speaker 17: companies making huge returns on things that don't work. And
35:55
Speaker 17: to the point earlier on water Murray, WA's got no
35:58
Speaker 17: idea buybacks in the Mary Darling, there absolutely killing farmers.
36:02
Speaker 17: Every cul fired power station already has water. It's what
36:05
Speaker 17: it uses already. There's no new allocations. They've got ash
36:08
Speaker 17: dems that it can be utilized as well that you
36:10
Speaker 17: won't need.
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Speaker 3: For a nuclear station.
36:12
Speaker 17: And these are the people, Peter who want to move
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Speaker 17: to green hydrogen that needs nine leaders of fresh water
36:19
Speaker 17: for every kilile of hydrogen that currently doesn't exist. That
36:22
Speaker 17: is what has to be taken off farmers. It is
36:25
Speaker 17: ridiculous and Matt Kean is one of the problems, not
36:27
Speaker 17: one of the solutions.
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Speaker 2: Look, you're right to remind me. I thought he was
36:32
Speaker 2: leaving the Parliament in August. I meet in New South Wales.
36:35
Speaker 2: Taxpayers are still paying him until August, but he's also
36:39
Speaker 2: getting paid by the federal government. He's out there slamming
36:41
Speaker 2: the Liberals even though he's in the Parliament.
36:43
Speaker 3: Is Liberal.
36:43
Speaker 2: I'll check that one out and come back to my
36:45
Speaker 2: viewers tomorrow. What's this blue that's going on in age care?
36:48
Speaker 3: James? I read something today that.
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Speaker 2: Currently there's a cap on how much you're forced to
36:53
Speaker 2: pay your lifetime contributions to be in age care. It
36:57
Speaker 2: was about seventy six thousand dollars. There's a plan by
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Speaker 2: Labor to lift it to almost two hundred thousand dollars
37:04
Speaker 2: and completely take away the cap for those being cared
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Speaker 2: for in their homes.
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Speaker 3: This is a real concern.
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Speaker 1: It is a concern. But the coalition's position is we
37:15
Speaker 1: will support any sensible reforms to Australia's agecare sector as
37:20
Speaker 1: long as they benefit the families and those who are
37:23
Speaker 1: going into the hcare sector. But what we're seeing at
37:26
Speaker 1: the moment is labor having a lot of conversations behind
37:29
Speaker 1: closed deals, both behind closed doors. Sorry, we want labor
37:32
Speaker 1: to come out and tell Australians what they are proposing.
37:37
Speaker 1: Because you have mentioned some figures there. I can't comment
37:40
Speaker 1: on those figures because we don't know precisely what Labor
37:43
Speaker 1: are proposing. There's a lot of secrecy going on here.
37:46
Speaker 1: Labor need to come clean and tell Australians, tell those
37:50
Speaker 1: in the hcare sector what they are proposing. So come
37:54
Speaker 1: on clean, Anika.
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Speaker 3: Wells okay, just before we go.
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Speaker 2: I mean I wrote about this in my column in
38:01
Speaker 2: the Sunday Papers. But the Prime Minister has had his
38:04
Speaker 2: electorate office shut since December last year because there's a
38:09
Speaker 2: ragtag group of pro Palestinian protesters out in the.
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Speaker 3: Front on his doorstep.
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Speaker 2: Now he's been cowered by them, like he was cowered
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Speaker 2: by them at Parliament House.
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Speaker 3: They were left on the roof for over an hour
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Speaker 3: and a half. If the PM in this country it
38:22
Speaker 3: can't get the police.
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Speaker 2: To enforce the law and open his bloody office, I mean,
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Speaker 2: any hope for anyone else, Peter.
38:31
Speaker 17: The first question is what are his electric staff doing?
38:34
Speaker 17: As you know, electored office staff actually do really important work.
38:39
Speaker 17: They're a direct connection between the people we represent and
38:41
Speaker 17: trying to get assistance for them where they have challenges
38:43
Speaker 17: with the government. Whether it's pensions, whether it's veterans, whether
38:46
Speaker 17: it's defense, whether it's foreign affairs, passports, immigration. Our electorate
38:51
Speaker 17: officers are actually a really important part of what happens
38:54
Speaker 17: around the country for Australians to get through all of
38:57
Speaker 17: those different layers of the public service. And now you've
39:00
Speaker 17: got the Prime Minister's office has been unable to be used.
39:03
Speaker 17: Why don't they just move these protesters on. I don't
39:06
Speaker 17: understand why they would just let them stay there.
39:08
Speaker 3: It'd be like.
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Speaker 17: Leaving them to shut down shut down a colport forever.
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Speaker 3: Peter.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's extraordinary, Keith James, thank you both for your time.
39:19
Speaker 2: Just before we go to the break, there's a report
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Speaker 2: in the Herald Sun today the former Prime Minister Tony
39:23
Speaker 2: Abbot is working behind the scenes to try and broker
39:26
Speaker 2: a peace deal between oursteed Liberal MP Moira Deeming and
39:30
Speaker 2: Victorian Opposition leader John Perzzuto. Now I can confirm to
39:34
Speaker 2: you tonight that this speculation is indeed accurate. Abbott thinks
39:38
Speaker 2: this fight's gone on for way too long, that Liberal
39:41
Speaker 2: members are angry it hasn't been resolved that the bad
39:45
Speaker 2: government in Victoria. Well, that's where the focus of Liberals
39:48
Speaker 2: should be, not instead on each other and headed to court.
39:52
Speaker 2: Now the word is that Perzuto is willing to apologize
39:55
Speaker 2: to Deeming and admitting got it all wrong, admitting got
39:59
Speaker 2: wrong his common about Deemings attendance at last year's pro
40:03
Speaker 2: women rally, but he's not willing to argue should be
40:08
Speaker 2: put back in the party room. Now, to my mind,
40:11
Speaker 2: if Perzuto is willing to apologize and say he got
40:13
Speaker 2: it wrong, he's also got to.
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Speaker 3: Undo the expulsion.
40:18
Speaker 2: I mean, leaders have got to be big enough to
40:19
Speaker 2: admit where they've got it wrong and make amends. Now
40:23
Speaker 2: I can also tell you, given what members and donors
40:27
Speaker 2: say to me, Perzuto will not have their support until
40:31
Speaker 2: he does all Right. After the break, the shocking statistics
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Speaker 2: would show how badly. Labor's failing to crack down on immigration.
40:40
Speaker 2: Plas kel Rich's with some terrific words in unmoments, welcome
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Speaker 2: back now to immigration. Despite saying they bring the numbers down,
40:53
Speaker 2: there looks like there's little actual hope of Labor doing this.
40:57
Speaker 2: In fact, it's actually going in the opposite direction. Data
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Speaker 2: from the ABS suggests the government's already exceeded its net
41:04
Speaker 2: overseas migration target of three hundred ninety five thousand people
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Speaker 2: for the most recent financial year, with a month's worth
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Speaker 2: of arrivals.
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Speaker 3: Still to be counted.
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Speaker 2: In the final telling, even with the month of data
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Speaker 2: pending from July last year to May of this year,
41:23
Speaker 2: net migration was just below four one hundred and fifty thousand,
41:28
Speaker 2: So that's well above the government's commitment. For more on this,
41:31
Speaker 2: let's bring in Shadow Immigration Minister Dan Tien. Dan, thank
41:35
Speaker 2: you for your time. This analysis has been put together
41:38
Speaker 2: by the Institute of Public Affairs and it shows we're
41:41
Speaker 2: adding a new migrant every single minute. So for all
41:46
Speaker 2: the retrig Labor's clearly not serious about getting these numbers down.
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Speaker 20: Hi, they're not Peter. And the other fact that's there
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Speaker 20: for all the seas from January to May of this
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Speaker 20: calendar year, the net overseas migration was the highest on
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Speaker 20: record for the first five months of any calendar year.
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Speaker 20: So they keep breaking records even though they're saying they're
42:11
Speaker 20: trying to put a stop on things. And as you know,
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Speaker 20: the deep, deep concern about all these is we're in
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Speaker 20: the middle of a housing crisis, center rental crisis, and
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Speaker 20: they're just not focusing on that. Instead, all they seem
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Speaker 20: to be doing is be quite happy to say, oh,
42:29
Speaker 20: we're trying to slow migration while letting the numbers just
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Speaker 20: get bigger and bigger.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're not focused on the things they say
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Speaker 2: they're going to do, but they're opening up a can
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Speaker 2: of worms. In other areas, we've got farmers up in
42:44
Speaker 2: arms about proposed changes that they're going to bring in
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Speaker 2: to a long established visa scheme that incentivizes backpayers to
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Speaker 2: get out into the regions and look for work. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you represent a rural seat down what's going on here?
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Speaker 20: Well, backpack are obviously incredibly important to make sure that
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Speaker 20: we can continue to harvest fruit, to pick vegetables, to
43:08
Speaker 20: work in avatoirs, to work on farms. Dairy farms are
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Speaker 20: incredibly important and it's one of the reasons why, of course,
43:17
Speaker 20: when we were in government, we also wanted to have
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Speaker 20: a specific agriculture visa so that we could make sure
43:24
Speaker 20: that that fitted in with the backpack of visa as well.
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Speaker 20: The government obviously scrapped the agriculture visa, So in these
43:33
Speaker 20: really important areas where we have workforce shortages, we're not
43:37
Speaker 20: seeing the people that we need. And this is the
43:41
Speaker 20: great tragedy about what the government has been doing. We've
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Speaker 20: seen record levels of net overseas migration, yet we still
43:50
Speaker 20: have these skill shortages and people just say to me,
43:53
Speaker 20: what are all these people doing and where are they
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Speaker 20: all going? Because skill shortages continue, yet the numbers are
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Speaker 20: at record levels and we've got, of course, nowhere to
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Speaker 20: house them. We've got a rental crisis, reserve bankers very
44:09
Speaker 20: very worried that they're adding to infation, and yet the
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Speaker 20: government just cannot take its foot off bringing more and
44:16
Speaker 20: more migrants into this country.
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Speaker 2: Bilk, you've been around politics for quite a while, are
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Speaker 2: you like all of these labor politicians, a Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: and Tony Burke who say that the first I've ever
44:30
Speaker 2: heard of dodgy allegations against the CFMAU of claims of
44:35
Speaker 2: criminality and corruption.
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Speaker 3: Was just in recent days that this is all a surprise.
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Speaker 20: Well, I'm a Victorian pleader. I've seen for a very
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Speaker 20: long time how the CFMEU operate and we've known about it.
44:51
Speaker 20: The government has to have known about it. The Premiere
44:54
Speaker 20: of Victoria has to have known about it because she's
44:58
Speaker 20: been heavily involved in one way or another with construction
45:02
Speaker 20: in this state for over a decade. Of course Anthony
45:05
Speaker 20: Albanezi knew about it. He was warned by an organization
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Speaker 20: that had to deal with the CFMEU in a letter
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Speaker 20: that went to his office. So for him to say,
45:17
Speaker 20: now we knew nothing about this. You know, they abolish
45:21
Speaker 20: the Australian Building and Construction Commission, which was about having
45:26
Speaker 20: a cop on the beat in our construction industry, and
45:29
Speaker 20: we warned them then when they did this, when they
45:32
Speaker 20: did that, that this would be the consequence of it.
45:34
Speaker 20: But they turned a blind eye. I mean they know
45:39
Speaker 20: that this is what the CFMU have been doing, and
45:42
Speaker 20: now that it's been literally a light shone on it
45:46
Speaker 20: in this way, for them to come out and say
45:48
Speaker 20: now that and had no idea, it is just completely
45:52
Speaker 20: and utterly dishonest.
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Speaker 3: You know, wrong, Dante, and thank you.
45:58
Speaker 2: No I have to break Hel Richards and why the
45:59
Speaker 2: left wing media has such a hard time with the
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Speaker 2: word assassination over the weekend.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back, joining me.
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Speaker 2: As he does every Wednesday, my good friend word Smith
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Speaker 2: and broadcaster Kel Richards. Well, welcome Kel. We've got some
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Speaker 2: timely words tonight, and the first of those is assassination.
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Speaker 2: A lot of the media left media, particularly in the
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Speaker 2: United States, very slow over the weekend to call what
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Speaker 2: happened to Donald Trump an assassination attempt. The New York
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Speaker 2: Times indeed refused, instead calling it a shooting only on
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Speaker 2: its front page.
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Speaker 3: This is a bit of a wake up call, isn't it?
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Speaker 21: Absolutely linguistically in a shooting, no one dies. If someone
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Speaker 21: shoots in a shopping mall and injures a number of people,
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Speaker 21: that's a shooting. When someone dies, it is not a shooting,
46:54
Speaker 21: It is a killing. And there's that brave man who
46:57
Speaker 21: threw his body across his wife and daughters, took the
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Speaker 21: bullet to keep them alive. Someone died, it wasn't a shooting.
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Speaker 21: And when the shot is aimed as a kill shot
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Speaker 21: at Trump's head, that is an attempted killing, so it's
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Speaker 21: not a shooting. The question I've been asked on the
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Speaker 21: website by viewers of your program, Peter, is when murder
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Speaker 21: becomes assassination, and it depends entirely upon who the target is.
47:23
Speaker 21: If it's a political person, a public prominent figure, it
47:27
Speaker 21: becomes assassination. If it's anyone else, it's just murder. I
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Speaker 21: don't know whether that's fair or not, but that's how
47:32
Speaker 21: the words divide up in terms of meaning. But it
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Speaker 21: can't be a shooting. Someone died, there was an attempt
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Speaker 21: to kill someone else. That can only linguistically be an
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Speaker 21: attempted assassination. Anything else nonsense.
47:46
Speaker 2: It needs to be on the editorial board of the
47:47
Speaker 2: New York Times soon as one of our viewers wants
47:50
Speaker 2: to know the origins of the expression.
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Speaker 21: Nanny state oh older than I would have thought, goes
47:56
Speaker 21: back to nineteen fifty two. It means a government which
47:59
Speaker 21: takes too more much control over people's lives and takes
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Speaker 21: away their choices. The word nanni, which it's constructed out of,
48:05
Speaker 21: goes back to the seventeen hundreds and probably began life
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Speaker 21: as a nickname for women named Anne or agnes. But
48:12
Speaker 21: a nanni is someone who cares for children. So a
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Speaker 21: nanni's state, by definition, is a government that treats adult
48:19
Speaker 21: citizens as children. That's a nanny state.
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Speaker 3: Right.
48:24
Speaker 2: Here's something that drives Barbara crazy, the incorrect use of
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Speaker 2: will and shall.
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Speaker 21: Barbara, the bad news is that shall is slowly dying.
48:37
Speaker 21: According to frequency studies. It's almost obsolutely in Australian English
48:41
Speaker 21: and American English, and it's going that way in British English.
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Speaker 21: Will started off just meaning a statement about the future.
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Speaker 21: Shall was a commitment or an obligation. But that distinction,
48:52
Speaker 21: which is an important distinction, is slowly fading. If you're
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Speaker 21: ever in doubt as to whether you should use will
48:57
Speaker 21: or shall use will, that's the way the languages go,
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Speaker 21: you'll be fairly safe. So the sad news is that
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Speaker 21: the idea of the obligation shells related to should, that
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Speaker 21: kind of an obligation word about the future, seems.
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Speaker 3: To be going well.
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Speaker 2: This is one that drives me out, particularly in print
49:15
Speaker 2: that and.
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Speaker 21: Which I've got to tell you I spent a long
49:20
Speaker 21: time looking at this. I went to Sir Ernest Gowers
49:23
Speaker 21: in his classic book on Usage plain Words, and he
49:27
Speaker 21: said it's really dangerous to be dogmatic about that and
49:32
Speaker 21: which And when I look at Pampeters and Ernest Gowers
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Speaker 21: and Henry Fowler and all of these people, there's no agreement.
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Speaker 21: And in the end you have to say, look, which
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Speaker 21: turns are quite often in defining clauses, and that turns
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Speaker 21: up quite often in denoting causes. But they're both connecting words,
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Speaker 21: and it's really difficult to distinguish but to distinguish between them.
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Speaker 21: If I could give you a really short clear rule,
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Speaker 21: I promise you I would, Peter. But when I consult
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Speaker 21: all the experts, there is no short clear rule. I
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Speaker 21: am sorry.
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Speaker 2: This is why we love English. This is why we
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Speaker 2: love English. It's still complicated after all of these centuries.
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Speaker 2: Kel Growth Tavy Company will get some good words for
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Speaker 2: you next week.
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Speaker 3: That's it for me. Back to borrow night. Here's Andrew
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Speaker 3: Bolt