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Joel Anderson on Dabo Swinney's Likable Tirade: How Nick Saban Integrated the SEC, Is Miami Football Back? | 09.19 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: of today's guests coming to us live from the ranger tailgate,
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  Speaker 1: a new podcast, college football with a bad Latham over
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  Speaker 1: there at the ranger. Joel Anderson was going on.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like that. the reputation I'm getting as a hater.
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  Speaker 2: Because you know how like on reality shows, how someone
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  Speaker 2: doesn't realize they're being portrayed as a villain until they
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  Speaker 2: come back home and then they're like, oh man, everybody
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  Speaker 2: hated me. So then they come back to the reunion
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  Speaker 2: show all mad. And that's me because this is not fair.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a lover, not a hater. I would even say
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  Speaker 2: that I'm a romantic, but people are like, dog, what
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  Speaker 2: you're doing, What.
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  Speaker 3: You're doing to my reputation?
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  Speaker 1: What you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like my words, people are taking my words
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  Speaker 3: out of context. What?
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  Speaker 2: Because people will be in comments on YouTube or Instagram
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  Speaker 2: and they'll be like, oh, Joel being a hater again.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a hater. I'm a lover.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, this is not like the reality shows
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  Speaker 1: where you don't realize you're the villain until you get
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  Speaker 1: home because I be telling you.
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  Speaker 3: That's number one.
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  Speaker 1: Number two, I remember when I posted the pictures, when
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  Speaker 1: I went to Taylor's wedding and I was in the
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  Speaker 1: tux and immediately people were like, where Joel at hating?
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  Speaker 1: And guess who was in the comments hating?
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  Speaker 2: And see, the thing was, it wasn't hate. I was
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  Speaker 2: saying you looked like a pastor, which is not hate.
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  Speaker 3: No, no.
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  Speaker 1: That was when I went to Trey's wedding. When I
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  Speaker 1: was at Taylor's wedding, it was in the tux and
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  Speaker 1: they was like, where Joel at hating? And you would
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  Speaker 1: immediately say that that would be the other picture in
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  Speaker 1: a funeral program, all I'm telling you is this. People
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  Speaker 1: expect it from you and you do it.
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  Speaker 2: Nah, I just, again, I feel like they're extrapolating a
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  Speaker 2: lot from our relationship, our particular dynamic.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no. Again, I don't like that.
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  Speaker 2: You know when I first started dating my wife and
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  Speaker 2: her and her friends called me Compassion Anderson because I
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  Speaker 2: was just a compassionate person. I really have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of love for the world.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a wanderer. A romantic.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, you know, the hater label does not suit me. Now,
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  Speaker 2: there are people I hate. There are things I do
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  Speaker 2: not like.
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  Speaker 1: John, you're the most vengeful person I've ever met in
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  Speaker 1: my life.
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  Speaker 3: How could that ever be? I haven't even done nothing
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  Speaker 3: to nobody, man.
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  Speaker 1: Would you like to?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. But I think that's what makes me, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think that actually, you know what it is?
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  Speaker 1: It's your greatest achievement coming when you was 10 years old.
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  Speaker 3: See, if you all are looking at this, who's the
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  Speaker 3: one who's hated so far?
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  Speaker 1: For those who don't know, Joel was the fastest 10-year-old
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  Speaker 1: in America. Just so we're clear, it was a pretty
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  Speaker 1: stupendous feat.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think, you know, I was talking about
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  Speaker 2: this with somebody the other day. I'm like, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: 47 years old now. What difference does it make if
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  Speaker 2: you were great.
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  Speaker 3: At 18 years?
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  Speaker 2: 23 or 10, you should be able to talk about
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  Speaker 2: their accomplishments. Like when you were the best or you
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  Speaker 2: were great at something at any age prior to the
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  Speaker 2: age you are now, it should be something you're proud of.
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  Speaker 2: And people make fun of me for talking about being
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  Speaker 2: the fastest 10 year old in the country, but okay, great.
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  Speaker 2: I was, you were a five-star recruit when you were
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  Speaker 2: 17 years old. Well, you 43 years old now.
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  Speaker 3: So, okay. We can all move on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. As if we don't make fun of them,
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  Speaker 1: Al Bundy types also like, like you just, uh, You
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  Speaker 1: a different brand to Al Bundy. It's cool. It's cool. Hey, man.
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  Speaker 3: I was good in high school, too.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on. I know, man. Four touchdowns. Not in a
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  Speaker 1: whole season. In one game.
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  Speaker 3: One game?
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  Speaker 1: That is, by the way, one of the greatest running
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  Speaker 1: gags in the history of television is Al Bundy's four
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  Speaker 1: touchdowns in one game. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Poka. Poka.
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  Speaker 1: Poka.
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  Speaker 2: I always say, though, if you had ever scored four
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  Speaker 2: touchdowns in one game, you'd understand why you'd be talking
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  Speaker 2: about 30 years later.
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  Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I wish I had scored. Like,
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  Speaker 1: if If I scored four touchdowns in one game, and
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  Speaker 1: I guess maybe it's because I'm from Texas, so what
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  Speaker 1: it means to compete at high school football at a
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  Speaker 1: high level in my brain maybe means something a little
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  Speaker 1: bit different. But if I scored four touchdowns in a
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  Speaker 1: varsity football game, you'd hear about me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So people were hating on Al,
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  Speaker 2: but now I've kind of come to understand. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh man, he need to pop his shit. Don't let
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  Speaker 2: people forget.
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  Speaker 1: The fastest 10-year-old in America would be able to relate. Hey, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: I got to run something by you right quick. We're
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  Speaker 1: going a little bit too long talking about this other
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  Speaker 1: stuff when we got all this good college football that
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  Speaker 1: we can talk about.
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious. Where are you?
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  Speaker 1: I find myself evolving on this, but in the year
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  Speaker 1: of our Lord, 2025, where are you on that boy Dabo?
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  Speaker 2: So I think that Dabo, I don't feel sorry for
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  Speaker 2: him is not the word. but I look at him
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  Speaker 2: like a man who is rapidly out of place in
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  Speaker 2: the current environment in which he works, right? Like he
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  Speaker 2: just is no longer, he's like, honestly, I don't feel
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  Speaker 2: sorry for Mike Gundy, but it's sort of similar to
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  Speaker 2: Mike Gundy. I'm just like, oh, like you're just not
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  Speaker 2: built for this particular era of college football and people
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  Speaker 2: want to hold you accountable for that.
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  Speaker 3: And you're understandably being like, what have y'all done before me? Like,
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  Speaker 3: who are y'all? You know, like, who are y'all? Who
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  Speaker 3: are you to judge me?
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  Speaker 2: You can go back to being, they used to say
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  Speaker 2: Clemsoning was a thing that people used to say about us. Like,
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  Speaker 2: is that what y'all want back? But that's not really
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  Speaker 2: what people are talking about. They're just like, hey man,
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  Speaker 2: could you embrace the portal a little bit more? Could
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  Speaker 2: you do the NIL thing a little bit more? Could
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  Speaker 2: you be more excited about that stuff and get us
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  Speaker 2: back to the level we were at?
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I felt sorry. What about you? Because please
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  Speaker 3: don't tell me that you're warming to this dude.
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  Speaker 1: I am.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, man. You getting old. You getting old.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not even this. Actually, Dabo did things at
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  Speaker 1: the time when everybody like super duper hated Dabo that
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  Speaker 1: made me be like, you know what? I'm with you there, right?
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  Speaker 1: And so the first time I looked up at something
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  Speaker 1: that Dabo did and I was like, huh. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this. I think it was 2015.
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  Speaker 1: And Deion Kane was a freshman receiver on that team.
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  Speaker 1: And Deion Kane was really good. and he failed a
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  Speaker 1: drug test, and so he did not play in the
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  Speaker 1: Orange Bowl, which I believe was the Orange Bowl, the
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  Speaker 1: semifinal game there, right? He was eligible to come back
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  Speaker 1: for the championship game, and Dabo did not put him
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  Speaker 1: back in. Now, I think it is preposterous, assuming that
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  Speaker 1: the drug in question was marijuana, I think it is
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  Speaker 1: preposterous the idea that they were even testing for it,
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  Speaker 1: the idea that he would misgame the first or anything. Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's how I view things. I have a respect for
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  Speaker 1: the fact that even in the face of his own self-interest,
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  Speaker 1: Dabo believes that that's the devil's lettuce that you out
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  Speaker 1: here smoking. And with the option of being like, but oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to bring you back.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: His principle belief is that you should not be playing, right?
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  Speaker 1: I don't agree with that, but I gotta appreciate a
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  Speaker 1: man that stood on his square in that moment when
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  Speaker 1: most of us would have absolutely found ways to do
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  Speaker 1: gymnastics around it, right? I think I find very often
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  Speaker 1: that I can ride with somebody with whom I don't
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  Speaker 1: agree when it becomes clear to me that they mean
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  Speaker 1: that shit that they talking about, right? And I think
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  Speaker 1: that the way in which he meant it in that
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  Speaker 1: case was probably something that was a little bit positive.
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  Speaker 1: But it made me have to be like, OK, I
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  Speaker 1: see where you're coming from. Right. I see that you
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  Speaker 1: believe some of these things that you are actually saying. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So for now, the portal thing, for example, I think
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  Speaker 1: that allowing players to transfer. and play immediately was something
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  Speaker 1: that they ultimately had to do because of the mobility
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  Speaker 1: between coaches. But I also believe is something that is very,
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  Speaker 1: very bad for the overall health of college football. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think, and that I don't think is nearly as
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  Speaker 1: beneficial to the players as we would like to think
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  Speaker 1: it is, right? Everybody in this country has the right
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  Speaker 1: to make bad decisions. And so you have to allow
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  Speaker 1: them to make those bad decisions, but we are making
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  Speaker 1: it easier for bad decisions to be made. For him
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  Speaker 1: to make the call of, I want to build my team,
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  Speaker 1: I want it to be us. I want this to
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  Speaker 1: be continuous. I want us to have a unit. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't just want to be out here playing
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  Speaker 1: free agent football. Everything that he said before about how
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  Speaker 1: he did not want to coach a college football team.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like he is demonstrating that. No, I told
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  Speaker 1: you this isn't what I want to do. This isn't
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  Speaker 1: how I think it should be done. And I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to try to win this in the way that. I
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  Speaker 1: want to win it. I have a respect for the
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  Speaker 1: fact that he's doing that. Now what works against him
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  Speaker 1: obviously is he had one of the great runs in
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  Speaker 1: the history of college football at Clemson with the Sean Watson,
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence years, right? Like it really, really goes into that,
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  Speaker 1: that particular time period.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Um, he exceeded what any of us ever thought was
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  Speaker 1: possible at the job that he has. Um, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that level of success that we're discussing is possible
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  Speaker 1: again at that job. Yeah. But nonetheless, he did what
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  Speaker 1: seemed impossible. He made it happen. Now people want that again.
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  Speaker 1: And he could get addicted to the we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be top three every year and do all the things.
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  Speaker 1: That ain't the way he wants to do the things.
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  Speaker 1: I get you if you're a fan and you don't
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  Speaker 1: like the fact that that's not what he wants to do.
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  Speaker 1: But I admit that I respect somebody standing on his
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  Speaker 1: square about it when I think that in this context,
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  Speaker 1: the square he's standing on is not a bad one.
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  Speaker 1: I think it is, at the very least, morally defensible.
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  Speaker 2: I disagree with him and his approach to this, but
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  Speaker 2: I think the thing for me is that that is
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  Speaker 2: not his job. Like he gets to hold that job, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like that is a job that he has temporarily, but
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  Speaker 2: the job doesn't belong to Dabo Sweeney. It belongs to Clemson,
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  Speaker 2: the athletic department and the board of regents and whoever else.
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  Speaker 3: And the job is what it is.
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  Speaker 2: If, if, if he had brought in a recruit and
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  Speaker 2: they were like, well, you know, we're, you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: this whole new outfit, you know, there's a whole new
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  Speaker 2: style of offense going on.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, but nah, man, I want to run a wishbone.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the kid would be like, no, man, when
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  Speaker 2: this recruit comes in, no, you got to play the
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  Speaker 2: way that I tell you to play. Like, this is
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  Speaker 2: what it takes to compete right now. And that's basically
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  Speaker 2: what he's doing. He's like not doing what the job
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  Speaker 2: calls for now. And if you don't want to do that,
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  Speaker 2: that's fine. But you need to do that somewhere else then.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Because that again, the job belongs to the school, not
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  Speaker 2: Dabo Swinney. And he seems to believe that I'm Dabo Swinney.
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  Speaker 3: This job belongs to me.
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  Speaker 1: Which for what it's worth. a reasonable position to take
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  Speaker 1: if you're dabble.
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  Speaker 3: Sweating i understand why he believes.
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  Speaker 1: That right i mean that's all i'm saying like i
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  Speaker 1: think when he got up there the other day it
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  Speaker 1: was like y'all want to get me out here cool
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  Speaker 1: but y'all tired of winning i was like hey baby.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not even mad at you you know what i call.
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  Speaker 1: It like all this winning we've been doing y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Don't want no more of that winning you know what
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  Speaker 2: that's the old the old nolan richardson You know, when
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  Speaker 2: you're dead under fire.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. He didn't say that, right?
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 1: Nolan got us there. They can give me my money
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  Speaker 1: and I'll leave tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, okay, get your black ass out here then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but hey, Dabble, I don't, I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: we truly give him enough credit for being the outlier
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  Speaker 1: that he has been in working at that job. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we do.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, what else is he supposed to get?
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  Speaker 2: People say that he's great. He's won a couple of championships.
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  Speaker 1: But hold on, how great, when you say that people
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  Speaker 1: say that he's great, I, I, he's the best coach
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  Speaker 1: in the history of Clemson. He's, I mean, I think that's, that,
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  Speaker 1: that's a no brainer, right? I think we underestimate winning
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  Speaker 1: two championships in three years. and going to three or
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  Speaker 1: four national championship games, he went to four national championship
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  Speaker 1: games at Clemson. Again, at Clemson. Schools do not rise
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  Speaker 1: above their previous level very often, let alone do so consistently.
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  Speaker 1: You don't even remember that time that your little school
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  Speaker 1: went to the national championship game, that little blip, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? That just like, it doesn't work
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  Speaker 1: that way. This dude and what he pulled off I
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  Speaker 1: think is far more of a historic accomplishment than we
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  Speaker 1: give it credit. He has as many national championships as
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Bowden. We do not think of Dabo Swinney in
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  Speaker 1: the context of Bobby Bowden. Now granted, Bobby Bowden had
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  Speaker 1: 14 years in the row in the top five, but
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  Speaker 1: we still don't, I still think that pulling that off
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  Speaker 1: at Clemson is a lot harder than it was to
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  Speaker 1: do what Bobby Bowden did at Florida State.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah i guess well i mean man you know florida
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  Speaker 2: state used to be like a teacher's college right like
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  Speaker 2: it was a girl it was a woman's school once
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  Speaker 2: upon a time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah but joe but joe we know we know what
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  Speaker 1: bobby did it wasn't genius yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It it would right of course but i guess i'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to think i mean again i i i agree
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  Speaker 2: with you that i guess i just don't agree that
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  Speaker 2: dabo deserves any more credit than he's earned like i
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  Speaker 2: felt like you know, I think some of that is
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  Speaker 2: that he's not been there long enough to be on
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  Speaker 2: the all times when all time wins listing.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I think that matters because that that's what elevated
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  Speaker 2: Bobby and Joe pie. Like they were there for, you know, 30,
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  Speaker 2: 40 years or whatever, and they got to be high
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  Speaker 2: up on those charts. And so people got sort of
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  Speaker 2: familiar with them in that role. But I also think
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  Speaker 2: that like, what is, you know, he is responsible for
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  Speaker 2: the ways people sort of regard him, right? Like he
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  Speaker 2: sort of played himself off as kind of the, You know, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just Dabo, blah, blah, blah. You know, he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: like hold himself out like he's some sort of coaching mastermind.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think people are treating him accordingly.
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  Speaker 1: Well, neither did Bobby Bowden.
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  Speaker 3: Right. I don't think people do.
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  Speaker 2: People think Bobby Bowden is a coaching master.
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  Speaker 1: No, but Bobby Bowden is absolutely regarded as a coaching legend.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think that Sweeney and maybe it'll take
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  Speaker 1: a while before people can like, look, here's the thing
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  Speaker 1: I will say about Dabo. I was there for the
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  Speaker 1: early Dabo days. That old takes exposed dude used to
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  Speaker 1: go find all my old Dabo tweets. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: were you watching that game? oh yeah it looked like
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  Speaker 1: he had no idea like he does have a gomer
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  Speaker 1: pile sort of vibe right that's the thing yeah it
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  Speaker 1: seemed like he but all those things being the case
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  Speaker 1: i get why and look that's part of why people
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  Speaker 1: i don't part of why people quit that job at
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  Speaker 1: alabama is that nothing you did is ever good enough
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  Speaker 1: right right but this ain't alabama dog right like this
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  Speaker 1: ain't i feel like every and we talk one of
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  Speaker 1: the best things about college football is every job has
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  Speaker 1: different levels every job has different expectations right It is
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  Speaker 1: fascinating that this job, just because they beat Alabama a
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  Speaker 1: couple times, they seem to be under the impression that they, too,
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  Speaker 1: are Alabama.
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  Speaker 2: They think they're a blue blood, and that's just not
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: how it is, and that's how it's going to work.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: You know, also, real quick, Davo is 55 years old.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: He sure is. Good-looking dude, you know, for his age.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Well, he was also younger when he started that job
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: than I realized.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think that— I wonder if that's also sort
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: of a part of it.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Like, a lot of his— theoretically— a lot of his coaching
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: resume is still yet to be done yet, right? Although,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: you know, it seems like the way things are headed,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: there used to be a time when we were growing up,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: coaches were retiring in their 60s.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: You know, like Grant Taft and Spike Yikes. You know, people,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: they would just leave. They wouldn't coach until the 70s.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Wait, Darryl Royal left at 51?
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: You know, man, when you were talking about the Cowboys
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: documentary and people were talking about, oh, man, you know,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I thought Tom Landry was like 90 years old, you know,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: the way people talked about him.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: And he was in his mid-60s when he.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Left the game. And so that's just kind of how,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: you know, it used to be. People seem older, but
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: like Dabo is sort of a young guy and people
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: have this expectation that he's going to be coaching for
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: a long time. And so people may look at this
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: and say, well, that was sort of a historical blip.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: The coach that you actually are is this nine and
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: three guy who struggles to adapt to the changing times.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Like you got you caught lightning in a bottle. But now,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: you know, you have the rest of your career to
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: to live up to that level. And I mean, it's
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: a frustrating part.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Would we then say that about Darryl Royal? They had
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: that 30 game winning streak when they brought to wishbone
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: out there, right? That is a significant part of the legend.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: And then he went out on five straight terrible losses
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: to Barry Switzer. I don't think we look back and
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: say that what you really were was this other thing
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: after this thing flipped up, right?
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Who do you think is the greatest coach in Texas?
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's Mack Brown or do you think
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: it's Darryl Royal?
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I think you probably have a better argument for Royal
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: than you have for Mack.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: So the tricky part in evaluating that obviously is the
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: whole race thing.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Right. Right.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: And I don't know exactly whose vote it was to
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: decide to stay in the Stone Age as long as
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: that program. I mean, Texas was the last team to
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: win a national championship with number white players. Like, I
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: don't I don't know that part. Mack was the first
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: coach at Texas to have like a fully integrated team.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: And it's a lot underachieving that went on there and
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: also the best team in the history of the school. Right.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Right. Also, yeah.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think some of that is it. And
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I think this is kind of what Dabo is laboring under.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Because Nick Saban did it. I mean, we see this
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: in other things, too. Because Tom Brady did it. Because
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: LeBron did it. We're seeing longevity and greatness in ways
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: that we just never saw before. People get to be
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: great and have these amazing runs for so long.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Things that are basically unprecedented in the history of sports.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: And they think that that's just the way things are
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: supposed to be. And so like you, you, you're right.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Like Clemson fans are looking at Dabo and they're just like, well, man,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Nick Saban won a seven national championships. Why can't you
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: be doing that? But the thing is, everybody's trying to
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: do that. Like college football is extremely competitive. You're only
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: probably going to win one or two. Like you said,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Bobby Bowden only won two. The reason he only won
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: two is sometimes he underachieved, but also it's really hard, man.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: And especially the way they used to do college football,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: where it's like one loss would do me one bad
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Saturday would doom you forever. So, um, I just wonder
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: if like, you know, Dabo is laboring under these unrealistic
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: expectations that we place on people that we that have
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: experienced some greatness. And we think, oh, they're supposed to
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: be doing this over and over and over again. And
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: that's just not really the way things work in coaching
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: or sports or anything.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Up next, Kirby Spark. He's the next guy. Hey, look, man.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Georgia is another program that we could argue was a
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: bit of a historical underachiever.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it is.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: The landscape. Now, the Georgia as a state that exists
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: now is different than the Georgia that existed as a state,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: you could argue, when Vince Dooley had the job. And actually,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I think that is maybe the most interesting thing about
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: this program, that the job that Vince Dooley had is
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: much different than the job Mark Rick had. And the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: job Mark Rick took... is much different than the job
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: that Kirby Smart now has, right? And look, that program
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: still do weird things. Charles McDonald and I talked about this.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Hadn't had a black quarterback in the last 20 years,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: for example.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Was the last one DJ Shaka?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: DJ Shaka was the last one. And I'm trying to think,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Quincy Carter was the one before him.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Quincy Carter, man.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Before him. I think it was some boy that was
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: running the bone. You know? That's where I think that was.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: But with Georgia, Georgia is achieving in a way where
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: all things held equal. You can make an argument that
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: year in, year out, Georgia and LSU should be the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: two best schools in the SEC year in, year out.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: If you hold all these other things equal, they are Georgia.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Even with Texas in there now.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, because, okay, Georgia is in effect the only game
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: in town in the state of Georgia. Yes, Georgia Tech
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: is there, but you got to pass. You got to
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: take calculus. You know what I'm saying? You got a
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: whole football team that's good at math. Good luck with that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: LSU is the only game in town there. Um, where
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I always say the trick bag about Texas is that
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I've thought about more and more as, as the years
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: go on is that Texas is now because of the
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: money able to get guys from these other places. But
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the truth is the only players that geographically live close
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to the university of Texas are from Texas. It's the
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: same way with Texas A & M. Now they found
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: some market inefficiencies, for example, No player from the state
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: of Arizona wants to stay in Arizona. They all leave.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: It is the craziest thing. I don't know if this
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: has changed in the last couple of years, but go
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: pull up a rock. Like B. John Robinson, I want
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: to say went to high school in Tucson and wouldn't
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: even go visit.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Wow, man.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: At the University of Arizona. You know what I mean?
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: So like in Texas, you can really only recruit players
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: from Texas and you're going to get some of them, right? Right.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: At LSU.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: At LSU.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: You're basically getting every good player from Louisiana. And you
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: can go a little bit over there and get some
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Texas boys. And you can go over there and get
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: some boys from Alabama and from Mississippi. You see what
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: LSU is so spoiled that they were still mad at
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Joe McKnight, God rest his soul. Just because he had
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the nerve to turn them down and go to USC.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: And they are so spoiled that it makes you forget
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: That they are a plus minus nine and a half
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: win program. With a couple of blips.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Man, I wish my co-host Van Lathan was here so
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: we could jump him together. Because I'd be telling him,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: hey man, LSU doesn't have a right to sit up
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: here and talk to people. you know, with a lot
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: of bass in their voice. Because when I was growing up,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: if Texas A & M beat LSU on a Saturday,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: it'd be like, okay, that's about right.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. They should beat LSU.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Like nobody, until Nick Saban showed up, nobody was scared
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: of LSU or anything like that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: It was insane. But Nick Saban, Nick Saban is their
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Mack Brown, right? Is their Bobby Bowden? Is their Stellenberger
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson? Which is to say, hey man, you see
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: all these black dudes over here? They might want to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: play for us.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Bo, this is the one time we're going to get along.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to ask you to come on
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: to the show and have this fight with me, with Van,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: because I told him, I was like, in a manner
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: of speaking, Nick Saban sort of integrated the SEC, but
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: certainly like the LSU.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not meaning literally, but I'm like, yo. Functionally. Yeah, functionally,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: like the number of guys, they started getting the people
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: they were supposed to get.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Like all the bad feelings that people had, are the
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: generations of people that had to go to Southern and
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Grambling instead of LSU. Once LSU seemed like a viable option,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: they started going and Nick Saban tapped into all that, right?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I have talked to my good buddy, Marcus Spears, about this.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And Marcus Spears was in that LSU freshman class in 2001.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: That's the first full Saban class and the one that
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: begins what we're talking about. And for those of you
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: who don't know, Marcus Spears was like the number one
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: tight end in America. Like he was a.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Serious tight end, by the way, too.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a you know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: he was a hooper, too.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. That's right.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Like, like he was a spectacular athlete. Like, like that's,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that was the thing, but he was, he was that guy. Um,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and he is from Baton Rouge. He went to Southern
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: university lab high school, which is what it sounds like
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the high school on the campus of Southern. And he
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: told me, we sat in the old huddle room at
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the seaport and he was like, man, what I knew
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: was Southern. I knew SU. Like the idea of going
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: to LSU was not something that he immediately was like,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: hell yeah, that's what we about to do. That's not it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: So if you go look at, look, even the Saban era,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: it's like a plus minus 9.5 win time. The Les
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Miles era, which we have to remember was a lot
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: longer than the Saban era. And good gracious, was that fun?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it was.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: We miss it, man. We miss it, man.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. But look, This is the Nick Saban, I mean,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the Les Miles run. Two loss, two loss, two loss,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: five loss, four loss, two loss, one loss, three loss,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: three loss, five loss, three loss. That's like a plus
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: or minus nine and a half. I mean, they won
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: a national championship with two losses.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man. Yeah, that's right. With 2007, right? Yep. Yep.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: But they're like a plus nine and a half. Let
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: me think of some other programs that I think, generally speaking,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Texas is like a plus minus nine and a half.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: win program.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. See, this is what I'm saying.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Like everybody sort of gets it in their head that
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the great run that they had is a thing that is,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: should always be happening. But everybody out there, most schools
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: with the exception of like Ohio state. And I guess
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm struggling to whether or not I should
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: include Alabama in that because Alabama has had like great runs,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: but also when we were growing up and we were
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: talking about like When Alabama beat Miami in the national
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: championship game, we're like, damn, I didn't know Alabama was
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: good like that.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Like it was sort of it kind of came out of.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Nowhere for our generation of people because we had not
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: seen the Alabama that everybody had been talking about from
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the 70s and stuff.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Right now. So the thing is, Alabama's had three runs,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: but it was like this one decade run, this one
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: decade run. And this two decades.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 20 years. Yeah.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Like calling that a run feels like so. But again,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: we're going to find out. The thing is, Alabama has
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: no built-in advantages, right? Right. So I think you and
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I would agree. The highest floor is at Ohio State.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Right. And that's why they're like anybody can do this.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: They're not that much in a rush to fire a coach.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: They don't sweat it too hard when it's time to
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: hire a coach. The machine will produce.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Then there are these kind of high variance schools that
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: have the potential for great highs, but also great lows.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: And the one I'm thinking about in particular there is Auburn.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I was just about to say, well, you're going to
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: say Auburn because that's exactly the school I think about.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right. Like they could be four and eight one
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: year and they could be 12 and one the next.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Like Auburn.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Auburn is like that. You get weird jobs that are
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: like Florida. I contend. I think now at this point,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: all three Florida schools, now that everybody knows that Florida
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: has players. High ceiling, but also a lower floor than
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you would expect. But also the ceiling has gotten tougher
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: and tougher for any of those schools to achieve. It's
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: been over a decade since any of them won a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: national championship.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, they had to lock on to talent.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And also, and I don't mean to diss Florida, but
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I feel like I have the right. I lived there
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: for four years. Them college towns aren't as nice as
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: people think they are.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: No.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Like, Gainesville is not... You could do worse. When you're
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: growing up, you think, oh, Florida, palm trees, beach. That
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: is not what Gainesville or Tallahassee is, right?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: It is not. It is not. Now, Gainesville, I went
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to Gainesville. I gave a talk there earlier this year.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And it's got a little more cracking than I expected. Tallahassee, look, man,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: South Georgia, North Florida, lo mismo. Just letting y'all know that.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: That's part of what helped when Bobby was there because
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: they could go get them boys in South Georgia.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: But, lo mismo.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I need you to understand that. Lo mismo. I have
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: had that happen to me before where I ain't see
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: the state line and I ain't even realize I made
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: that flip.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, man.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: The drive from Tampa to Tallahassee is one of the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: just most.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: God forbid, desolate.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Boring drives in the history of driving domestically. Like, it
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: is really boring and bad. It is a hard place
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: to get to. And when you get there, it ain't
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: that special. But the one thing that they did kind
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: of have at Florida A & M was it helps
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: them overcome some of those issues as well.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: So that's an advantage they have.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I just....
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I just want to throw it out there. I am
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: certain that that helped. Mm-hmm. But you and I both
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: know one of the selling points that they use in
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: recruiting these boys. And it ain't what they got at Florida.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: A & M. Well, everybody ain't Kendall Browns.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: You and I both know what they use as a
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: selling point.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know. I know.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: And it ain't what they got at Florida A & M.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's what I mean. That's fair. It's a bonus.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: For those of you who was raised like that, we
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: can send you over there and.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: We can make it. You know what?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Let's take a break and come back before we get
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: crazy over here.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: We will get back to Joel Anderson in just a second.
• 29:36
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  Speaker 3: All right.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: We are back with Joel Anderson, who just did one
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of those things. He says he doesn't do, but we
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: cut that out of the show. Check him out at
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the Ranger tailgate show with Van Lathan. And it's funny.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: You say you want me to come in there and
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: gang up on Van. You just be hating on whoever
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: you do a show with. But I believe we talked
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: about this. Maybe we didn't, but either way, I talked
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: to somebody about this. I really do love the fact
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: that Bill got two black dudes and Tate Frazier. He'd
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: be with y'all, too. Talking about college football, because they'd
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: be acting like we ain't on it. And you learned
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: very quickly that that boy Van is italicized on it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I think the first team meeting I had with Van,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: and he was just like, yeah, I got all the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: message boards. He's watching all 22 tape. And he was like,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: all right, are we going to... So, you know, one
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: way that we can also learn the rosters, too, is
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: by playing NCAA, you know, 25 or 26. And I
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: was just like, I haven't played video games in 18 years.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And he was like, oh, you know, just like the
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: disappointment in his voice. He was like, oh, I guess
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you're not really serious about it. And I was like, oh, no, man,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I need to, like, get up on my, like, prep.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Because he is, I mean, he really does take this
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: very seriously.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Hold up.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: We tried to record this episode yesterday with Joel, and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Joel told us he could not record because he had
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to prep so he could keep up with Van.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man. Van don't joke around.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Van's media diet is crazy because he'll be like, yo,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I was reading this or I was listening to this.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, how do you? He's now started watching
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: a new show, The.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Gilded Age, Real Housewives of the Gilded Age or something
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: like that. I'm like, how do you have time? to
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: do all of that, to take in all this information.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I just don't understand it.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie, I kind of miss the days
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: when I did this and I was that immersed, right?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Because one thing that people will talk about is as,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I'll just use Stephen A. Smith as an example, right?
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: More of a, more using him as an avatar than
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: a specific critique of anything about him, right?
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: But I think that you will see people who can
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: make the argument that he does not follow sports as
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: closely as he once did. Okay. I cannot say specifically
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: or definitively whether or not that's true. I can say
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: with a pretty good guess that that's absolutely true because
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you have to go do more stuff, right? Like you
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: get into it and you start by being immersed in
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the information. And then that then leads to more and
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: more responsibilities, more meetings, more flights. Like when I did
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: the show on HBO, what I was shocked by was
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: how much of my time was taken up by things
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: that were not me working on the show. Yeah. You
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because it was just like, yo,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: this is crazy.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Managing all this other stuff around.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Like in your head, it didn't do impress availability and
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. But in my head, it was like, yo,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: all I'm going to do is just be knee deep
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: in this show. And I was, but just not in
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the capacities, you know, that I thought I would be in.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: So like, I remember when I worked local and when
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I worked for Page Two, where college stuff was my
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: beat dude i knew the recruiting i knew everybody's coordinators
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: absolutely like it's even harder now than it's ever been
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: because of the levels of player mobility but i do
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: miss that where i would just spend days i just
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: sit here and i just go on rivals and i
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even just start taking notes but i would just
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: pass time looking at this class looking at that class
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: looking at this and just having it in my head
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: so that one day i.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Could pop up and talk about it Bro, I would
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: just read through this. It took me like two weeks.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: It took me like a month. I ordered this, and
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: it took me a month to finally get to it. Yeah, man.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: I have my Texas football down here.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I was just about to ask if you got Dave
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Campbell's Texas football.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it right here, and it still looks
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: nice because I've not had as much time to read
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: it as I would like. But yeah, man, it's just, yeah,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I would love to be immersed in all that stuff too,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: but it just doesn't work like that. And plus, it
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: used to be when I would be done with work,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I kind of could chill a little bit, but like,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I probably work harder.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: When I'm not at work than when I'm actually working.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: So there is that.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: But to your point about Bill, man, you know, I'm
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: really glad that Bill saw something in me and Van.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: And before I'd even got to the ringer, when he
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: was saying, he's like, yo, I think a year ago,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: he was like, how would you think about doing a
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: YouTube show with Van for college football?
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: And I was like, hell yeah. Like, why wouldn't, and.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: And I think that says something really good about Bill.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: And I think partially it's because Bill isn't really a
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: college football fan.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: He don't care about football.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: He knows who Arch Manning is and all that, but
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: he don't give a shit about the granular stuff like
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: we do. But I think, if you allow me to
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: make a generalization here, I think when white folks think
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: of college football.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: They don't think of us unless we playing.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've talked about this. Yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: And for so many, it's because we're not really a
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: part of their college experience, no matter what, like classes, dorms,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Greek life, alumni events.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: We not really there.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: So they don't come to think of us being at
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: the tailgate. They don't think of us, you know, having
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: a tradition at these schools. And that's kind of true
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: because we, most of our affiliations are fandoms with these
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: power for schools and That ain't got nothing to do
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: with family. We didn't go, our family didn't go to
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: none of them schools, you know?
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: No.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Well, like you and I talk about this thing where,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I don't root for Texas anymore, but because Joel struggles
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: with coming up with new material.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Sure he don't root for Texas.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: You ain't heard me say nothing at all close to
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: rooting for Texas in five years.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: You trying to be respectable. I get it. I appreciate
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: you tucking it in, but that's fine.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. Like for a moment, I need you
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: to ride with me and understand where I'm coming from here, right?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Like it's just not the bag anymore. Joel gives me
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: hell about rooting for Texas because Joel is born in Texas,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: even though at his core- He from Arkansas.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Don't do that. At the core of who you are.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Don't do that.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: You from Arkansas.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: My mama don't even say she from Arkansas.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: She's from Louisiana. That don't change what it is. Now
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: She's from West Monroe, Louisiana.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Even better.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Can't help where we from.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Andrew Whitworth, by the way.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Can't help where we from.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I was not born in Texas. We moved
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to Texas when I was seven. So there's a bit
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: of it's easier for somebody like me to root for
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the University of Texas at my age because I'm not
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: from the place. Right. And my parents are not from
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the place. So there are things that you associate with
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: that first and foremost. Like, yo, these are the races
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: that are closest to us. That to me doesn't quite
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: land because I grew up around Aggies. You know what
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I mean? Like it doesn't it doesn't land with me
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: in that same way. I say that simply to say
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: we in the first real generation of black people rooting
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: for the home team. Right. When it comes to these
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: schools and being able to do so without any sort
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: of like moral conflict or quandary. Now you still got
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Mississippi where Jackson state with Dion without Dion is selling
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: 40,000 seats.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: You know, a little, a little pot tide.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Ole Miss is a tough
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: sell even today. I'm sorry.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: If you say you're Ole Miss fan and you black,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Yo.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Look, man, everybody want to love the crib. I understand that, but.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Can't do it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Can't do it. But like the idea of my daddy
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: rooting for LSU. Dude, I was at a bar in
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: New Orleans. I forget how long ago it was. Man,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I heard these two white men arguing about who, between
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: two different players that definitely played before they had black
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: people on the team. And they felt like they was
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: too young to be doing that. You know what I'm saying?
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Now on this show, we have already talked about... Steve
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Van Buren was a running back, but he should have
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: been a quarterback because somebody was passing. You ever looked
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: at a picture of Steve Van Buren?
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think I have.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: And for those who don't know, Steve Van Buren was
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: the all time leading rusher in the NFL. I want
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: to say before Jim Brown. Steve Van Buren played for
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: LSU in the 1940s. Yeah.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: You're looking at him right now. I see that look
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: on your face.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Well, I said he was born in Honduras. Yeah.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. How did he get through?
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: How did they not? First of all, how did something
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: not snitch on him to get him over to them?
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Look at that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: He looks like, does he look like Stan Verrett?
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: He's an Appaloosa's All-Star is what I like to refer
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: to them boys as. He one of them, you know
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? But no, but what you say is
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: true is that, my point that I was making with
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: that is that the culture of white colleges, to me,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: it's amazing how segregated it remains. Like from top to bottom.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: And when you look at those clips of like the
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: student section at the games, Now, when I was at Carolina,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I felt like black folks was going and doing that stuff, right?
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: But when I look, it'd be one black person that
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I know I wouldn't hang out with, surrounded by a
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: bunch of white folks that I know don't want me
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: hanging out with them.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, look, man.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, why do you think those viral videos outside
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: them sorority house, like, that is a message to white
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: folks about what they think the college experience is like.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: You know, all the sorority girls dancing and all that stuff.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: And people got all mad about it, but it's just like, yo, like,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: That actually is with their college experience. For a lot
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: of them at those big state schools, it does not
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: involve a lot of black people.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: We are not a part of that experience. And so
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: it makes, yeah. Have you ever tailgated?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I've never tailgated a game like that.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I have at Carolina, I have.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Okay. I did it at UAPB.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: But that's it. I've never tailgated. Even at TCU, I've
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: never done that. But that is not a world.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: And no disrespect to my alma mater, you know, but
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: like that is not a world that I felt that, yeah,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: that I was, should be over it.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: So I did it at Carolina and the people I
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: was tailgating with are a little bit different. It's my
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: good buddy, Joy Powell. And this won't mean nothing to
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: those of y'all who ain't from North Carolina, but Joy
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: from Fayetteville. So the crowd is going to be a
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: little bit more of a, of a hodgepodge of humanity.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Cause that's how, that's how, that's how Fayetteville gets down.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Is Fayetteville the port author of North Carolina?
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: No. Uh, Kenston is the port author of North Carolina.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Fayetteville got the base, though. Fayetteville, a.k.a. Fayette-nom. Once you
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: get the base, we mix it in some different stuff.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: When we start talking about that Fayetteville, you remember my
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: man Joe and Raleigh?
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Joe from Fayetteville.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, is he really? Okay.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Fayetteville goes a little different, but the culture's It's so
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: wild to me that cultures are so segregated. Like to me,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I always looked at the cats that went to the
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: white schools. I'm like, y'all better be out here hanging
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: out with white people. Otherwise, I don't really understand why
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: you put yourself through this.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I know, but man, you know, I just think a
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: lot of parents, you know, I mean, you had the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: same thing. My parents went to HBCUs and they, while
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: they had a good time, they thought they were denied
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: something in terms of education.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: They just thought, you know, the white man's ice was colder,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I guess. Yes. You know? And so they were like,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: they were adamant.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: My parents never let me go to school in my
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: neighborhood or, or, or, you know, the college I wanted
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: to go to, which I know you'd be clowning me,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: but Morehouse was like my dream school. You know, I
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: grew up, I mean, school days, school days really put
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: me like, cause I, and I knew that mission.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Days, which was filmed at Clark Atlanta university primarily.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, my bad. Respect.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Did you know that Spike Lee took all his mass
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: comm courses at Clark College?
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I know that because you've mentioned it before. I'll mention
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: it until I'm blue.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: In the face.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I ain't a hater. I even told Spike that. Spike
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: was like, you know what? You're right. I need to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: talk about that more.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Okay. I went, has he done it? But yeah, I mean, look,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I wanted to go to a- Hold up.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Did you see? Did you see? Just slip that hate
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: in there and try to keep it moving. Has he
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: done it? And then just keep on moving. They didn't
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: even let it go nowhere. See, that's the thing about it.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: You try to be slick with it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I'm not even Again, I feel like I'm going to
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: have to put out a poll. Do you think of
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: me as a lover or a hater?
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Because I feel like there's people out there that think
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: that see my warmth, my fundamental warmth for humanity and
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: my compassion.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: The one person who thinks you a lover don't love
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: you enough to go so far as to listen to
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: my pod just because you want it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, hold on. She listens to this pod.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, tell her I said thank you.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she'll listen to what I'm on it. She'll listen
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: to my football pod neither though, but that's okay. She
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: watches it because I'm handsome.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: So just to be clear. She don't watch it when
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: it's just you talking about your stuff. But when she
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: know me and you going to be having substantive discourse, she.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Be over here.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I was talking about you. But she also watches The Tailgate, too,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: on YouTube.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, she a fan of Van also?
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: No, she a fan of me. She a fan of me.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: She might like Van. I don't know.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I haven't asked her about it. She did like Tate.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: She did think Tate was very nice. A very nice
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: white boy.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: And you know what?
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Tate is cool. Like Van said, Tate got somewhere. I
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: just said North Carolina.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Tate went to Carolina, right?
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: He went to Carolina, yeah.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tate's good with my guy, Charlie Hume, who would
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: be hilarious if he was on the pod with you
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: guys because that would be like a sitcom.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, really?
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. I love Charlie, but we are from different
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: worlds than Charlie Hume is from. Really? See, man, I
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: don't know Charlie that well, so I got to... Old
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: money Charlie. You probably heard him referred to as that
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: on the Leviton show. That's Charlie Hume.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: That's Charlie Hume. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Okay, that's it.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: That's it. But yeah, no, man. You know, yeah.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just, you know, because Van went to Southern.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: His father was at Southern, but he became an LSU fan.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: And I just thought... I became....
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I never looked at those games. Texas A & M,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: probably because I didn't have any proximity to it. I
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: didn't realize Texas A & M was that close. But
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: in the late 80s and 90s, I'm looking at Texas
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: A & M, and I'm like, they seem to have
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: all the brothers.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, they had a black quarterback. For people
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: that don't know, Kyler Murray's daddy was cold. Kevin Murray
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: was a two-time Southwest Conference Offensive Player of the Year.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: He probably should have played in the NFL, but there
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: was different times back then. but um and so i
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: looked at them and i like oh u of h
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: seems like for you know close to home and whatever
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: else but like i looked at ut or um smu
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: or baylor any of them other schools and i'm like
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: oh i don't even looking at the crowd looking at
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: all that that didn't look like anything that belonged to
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: me and so i i'm much more related to like
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: the hbcu environments and stuff like that and yeah i
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: mean obviously it's changed i had to go to tcu
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: and and stuff changed but Yeah, man, we just thought
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: that those, even.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: The schools that are allegedly integrated are not that integrated.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: No, no, and it's only going to get worse.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, they ain't going, I mean, it seems
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: like our mere presence will be suspect.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know when it would be safe to
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: talk about these things. The point that I always make
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: about diversity any standpoint a it's always come through some
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: measure of force or necessity and b always for the
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: express purpose of operating in service of white men right
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: like the the move has never been because it's the
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: right thing to do if you go look at like
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the affirmative action paperwork from the lawsuits in the supreme
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: court and stuff like that the argument is that diversity
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: is a noble goal If it is better for the
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: campus at large, which is to say if it is
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: better for the white people who are already there.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Right. Otherwise, nope.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: No, thanks.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, one of the most notorious desegregation stories
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: in college football history is like if you really think
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: about it, it's really ignoble. And where Bear Bryant gets
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: his ass kicked by Sam Bam Cunningham. at USC, and
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: he's like, well, I got to get me some of those.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: It ain't like, well, I think it would be the
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: best thing to do. And of course, like, that story
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: is possibly apocryphal.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: It's apocryphal. Well, they already had a brother on campus
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: on the freshman team.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: They already had, they had already kind of started. But like,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: even the stories we tell ourselves about, like, why a
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: school would want us is about, well, we got to compete,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: because they get, they bringing in some now, too. It
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: ain't never because, oh, this would be enriching. We could
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: all benefit from this, and other people in other parts
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: of our communities could benefit from integrating these institutions. Yeah,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: there's just always, like you say, like, you know, we
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: need you to come over here and help us with this.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say this though, for a school like Alabama, right?
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: So let's like, when you think about the schools that
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: have been historically ahead of the integration curve, and the
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: University of Texas, I mean, yeah, excuse me, excuse me,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: they were definitely not ahead of any integration curve.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: The University of Houston. Mm-hmm. Gotta do what you gotta do.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Right. Like like this is this is the only chance
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: we got. They were ahead of football and in basketball,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: in football. They were ahead in integration and ahead in scheme.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: And in basketball, kind of sort of ahead in scheme
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: when the scheme was run.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: And jump, run and jump.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: But at a time when people are afraid to run
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and jump. Right. But like Houston football, they invented the veer, right?
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: The invention of the veer is at Houston. The run
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: and shoot in the late 80s and the Art Browse
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: offense in the mid 2000s, right? Like they've been at
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the forefront of three significant offensive paradigms in the sport
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: because you got to do what you got to do.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: They've always had to innovate. Right.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Right. And their innovation, like Bobby Bowden, what was his
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: great innovation? Why don't we get so many black guys
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: to play 14? I hear some of them can throw.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: It took Miami a while to get around to that
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: idea where that was also their innovation. What I do say,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: I appreciate, and I look at this with a school
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: like Alabama, for example, and as much as we look
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: at it as, man, you only came and got us
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: because you needed us, and there's a deep down... We're
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: not going to get out N-worded if that becomes the game.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: But Alabama did, in fact, decide that they would not
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: get out N-worded.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: And they were handsomely rewarded.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, once they had to do it, they did it.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: You know what's another school that's like that?
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma, man.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, Oklahoma's at the top of the list. Like, oh,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: what are we talking about here? We got to be
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: serious about this if we're going to do this.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Like, you got to think about this, right? I know
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: that when my mother got to OU in 1960, that
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: they had already integrated the football team. Now, keep in mind,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: my mama gets there in 1960, and she and the
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: group that she worked with, the first order of business
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: was to begin to desegregate Norman, right? So, like, let's
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: not act like everything was sweet there. However, Texas, I think,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: still has the all-time, like, the lead in that series.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: But if you go look at the day that OU integrated,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: the tides turned. Part of it is Oklahoma in general.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: What we really talk about is Switzer.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Switzer, as is off the case with white men of
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: his particular ilk, was like, The hood love me, baby.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: And he was right.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: He was right. He was right.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, that Cowboys doc, I know you weren't a
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: huge fan, but one of the things- Oh, that was good.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And one of the things that really comes through
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: is that.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: In spite of whatever his political choices are now, he
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: seems to care about his players and his players really
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: seem to care about him.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: He seems like he was fundamentally a good dude, right?
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And so people can do that.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I think in late life, what happened to Switzer is,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: and I think that this happens to a lot of guys.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: You see it happen to a lot of white liberals
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: at points. Deep down, man, they just like us. They
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: want the white people to love them.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Like they don't ever want to get too far afield. Okay,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: a better example of this is bourgeois black people who
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: deep down inside still want the hood to love them.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Right? And when they come and they get around those dudes,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever told you about the
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: time that I met Roland Fryer. It was very clear. Oh,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: this is like 20 years ago. It's an amazing story
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: for another day.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: But it became very clear to me he wanted the
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: hood to love him. And then I went to a
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: dinner with him where he wasn't with the hood and, well...
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Let's just say he sounded a little bit different, right? Yeah.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: He tried to explain to me, you know what I'm saying?
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I grew up with my grandmama, you know, and I
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: just want to do this for black people, right? You know,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: but like deep down, them cats all still want us
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: to love them. And when they're put in those situations,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and a cat like Barry Switzer is the same. Where
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Barry Switzer out here hanging with us and we all
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: know his story. His daddy was the bootlegger living on
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the black side of town, kicking it with black women.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Everybody knew all those things. But there's a part of
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: him that always wanted the acceptance of these other people.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Right. It's really funny.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: You say that in the same week that this Alfonso
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Ribeiro clip of him at the tunnel is going viral.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Because it's just like, oh, wait, Alfonso's from New York, though.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: But I can't tell what's what. Yeah.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: And if you haven't seen this clip, if you remember
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: the episode of The Fresh Prince where Will left Carlton
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: and Compton. Yes. And he came back and he had
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: on a do-rag and a silk shirt. And Will told
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: him he looked like a pirate.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh-huh.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Well, that version of Carlton was at the tunnel in
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: New York, and he just turned on a whole new vibe.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: It was a lot closer to the Alfonso from, what's
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: it called?
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Silver Spoons.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Silver Spoons.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Breakdancing Alfonso.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: The funny thing too, is he still came in like
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: a Carlton uniform. Like he was in a tunnel in
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: his car. It wasn't like he had street, you know,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: street wear on.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. I feel bad for him. Cause I
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: think he probably just didn't know that's where they was
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: going that night. First of all, that's how you know,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: which was the real, maybe. I'm talking about the time
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: that happened to me and Pablo. Somebody invited me and
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Pablo to some party in, I want to call it 2017.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, cool. Let's roll. But I remember my
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: good buddy Ken Gibbs told me that when you move
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: to New York, it take you two years to get
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: your gear right. And I didn't really understand what that meant.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: But then you live here and you get it. Like
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: if you're going to be a type that goes to stuff,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: you got to have so much gear because there's so
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: many things. Right.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: And so I did not have adequate gear, but I just,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I needed to look like I had something. And so
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I had on a button up shirt and like an
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Argyle pullover sweater or something. Cause I just thought it
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: was like a reception of some sorts.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: But I didn't realize it was fashion week. Oh man.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: And so what made it worse is not simply that
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I was not dressed properly for the occasion is that
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I was clearly trying to dress for something.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Right. I clearly, to the naked eye, thought I looked
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: cool when I walked in the spot. And then a
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: photographer from the New York Times was like, yo, can
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: we get a picture of you guys? And they were like,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: can we get a quote? And I said, yes. I
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: wish I had known it was fashion week before I
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: picked out my clothes. That was what I had picked.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: And Pablo didn't look necessarily cooler than me, but he
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: did look like he had a style going. Yeah. Right?
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: He looked like he had his own thing going.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I looked like it was lunch money for sale.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? You were the, I ain't
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: fresh guy. You know what I'm saying? I'm not fresh.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That was exactly it. And so I felt like
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I knew that's what happened to Carlton. On that case,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: he went somewhere where he had to be dressed up
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: as Carlton. And then they was like, yo, you trying
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: to go to the tunnel? He's like, I got to
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: change clothes. Man, you good.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: No, man. No, Carlton. No, man.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: I moved to New York when I was 35 and
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I had to work at the new BuzzFeed. And so
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I've been wearing clothes. Consider before this, I've been living
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: in Tampa and Shreveport.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Okay. Those are the places I lived. Then I moved
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: to New York at 35. I'm broke.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: And I remember I coming into work. And my boss,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: shout out Shani Hilton, man. Shani is great. And she
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: was just like, you know, she said something about my
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: clothes looking kind of dusty. And I was like, oh man,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I look like raggedy up here. Like these clothes don't hit.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Like if I have a crease in my pants, like
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: people are going to make fun of me.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: The other night, I got invited to something that was
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: cocktail attire. And I had planned to go, and I
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: fell asleep before I could go, unfortunately. Old. Like, it
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: was a Wednesday night, baby. But anyway, I was really
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: struggling with that cocktail attire because, you know, after I
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: put on a little bit more weight, I had those things,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: but now they don't fit, and I never re-upped them
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: because that stuff don't be coming up no more. And
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: then I was just like, I don't have adequate gear.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: And it took me back to the days of what
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: you was talking about. It's like, oh, my gear is
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: simply not up to snuff.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: You know, you just feel like going out and buying clothes.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: There was a time in my life when I used
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: to love to go out and buy clothes. I'm like, yeah,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get that. I'm going to put this on.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do that no more. You know,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't have that kind of energy.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: If you tell me I got to dress up to
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: go someplace, too, I would probably be like, I'm probably
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: not going to go there.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, lucky for you, buddy, you're married and therefore
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: it doesn't like this. urgency around such matters this is
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: fair it's a little it's a little different like i
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: gotta i gotta figure something out i want to do
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: one last college football thing uh before we go because
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: you know we wound up going places it's all good
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: though um is the you back.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: So i i was having this conversation with somebody so
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: i think Miami is really good. They might have the
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: best defensive player in the country. Reuben Baines seems like
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: he would have been right at home on them old
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Canes teams.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Didn't his daddy play for him, right?
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: That's right. I think that's right.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: That's right. He's Tobin's son?
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: That's right. I think that's right. I think that's right.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I think the thing is when people talk about is
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Miami back, they don't mean is Miami good.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: They mean How can I say this?
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: By the way, he's Ruben Bain Jr., so he's a
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: nephew at best.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, a nephew at best. Okay. All right. It's in him.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: You can see that the cane is in him.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: He's got the whole Alvin Mack kind of personality about
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: the man. But what people are talking about is the U-back.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I'm still trying to figure out. I'm just going to
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: say it, and y'all bleep it out if y'all need to.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Them teams were niggerish, dawg.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? And like, that's what people,
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: that's what I like.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: When I'm thinking of the U and all that fun stuff,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking of, you know, Randall Hill running all the
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: way through the Cotton Bowl tunnel. I'm thinking of Michael
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Irvin getting up, dancing on you and all that stuff.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, elaborate hand celebrations.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Do you think of the 01 Canes though? Because they
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: did not have that personality.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: So that, so that is interesting, but you know, they
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: still kind of had a little bit of an edge
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: to them.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Remember, the seventh floor crew and.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Well, that was, that was, that was, yeah, that was
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: the later.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Guys, but yeah. The 2003 team.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I think maybe they were still
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: living off the fumes of that. And because they were
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: so great, like they were inarguably amazing and they were
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: so talented that it felt like they were sort of
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: like heirs to that era. I didn't love them in
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: the same way. You can never love a sport or
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: a team in the way that you do when you're
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: 11 or 12 years old. And that's when Miami was great.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: And that, like, left the thing. But is that, do
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: you think of them as back just because they're good?
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Well, no, because being there, it's kind of like when
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: people say, is Texas back? I'm like, oh, they're going
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: to win 10 games nine years in a row? Right? Like,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: is that, you're not going to establish that in a year. Like,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Texas is as good as they were last year.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: That is not an establishment of backness. Though the roster looks,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: the roster looks like those MAAC rosters. And let's not
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: get it twisted. Those MAAC rosters were, like, monstrous.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: What I find interesting about Cristobal coaching that team is
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: that he is like the forgotten scion of Saban because
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: he's not in the SEC. You know, so we don't
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: think of him in the ways that you think about
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Kirby or even Jimbo where Florida State was an SEC school,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: not in the SEC, right? But Kirby, Will Muschamp, Lane Kiffin,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: you know, we can rattle off more.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: Mel Tucker.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that. But the Saban guys, right? What makes
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: it interesting for me is that Cristobal is a cane,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: first of all.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: But he is absolutely a Saban guy, which is, copped
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: in a long beach together, now you know you're in trouble, right?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: You are putting together two of the most dominating traditions
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: that you've had, right? And so, where Mario, the other
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: difference between Mario, or the big difference to me between
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Mario and the Saban guys is, they are known much
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: more for being tacticians than Mario is. And that is
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: not what Mario's giving you. But Mario is getting them
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: boys and they go line up.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: And they got some access to some cash. And look,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: the Miami football program has never been based on out
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: scheming you. No. We're going to get really good players
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: and we're going to rush four and we're going to
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: drop seven and we're going to run the ball a lot.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: And then we're going to throw it when we need
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: to because our receivers are faster, but we're going to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: get you that way. So you take a great offensive
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: line coach and put them in the fastest state in
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: the country and you have a chance to really make
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: something happen.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing about Miami is that even
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: right now, they're great along the lines. I bet like
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: it's just kind of funny for Carson Beck to have
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: been in Georgia, which is we think of like one
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: of the best, you know, one of the most badass
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: programs of recent vintage. But he was running for his
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: life last year and not looking good and didn't really
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: have anybody to throw to that he was excited about.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: And now he goes down to Miami and he's like, oh,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: this is what it's like to have a little bit
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: more space back here. You know, I got a little
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: bit more time back here. And that's because that's what
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Mario is all about, building up those offenses. They are
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: not going to be soft. They may be stupid. They
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: may make mistakes.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: Don't.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Mario will be doing things.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: He played for a 40-plus yard field goal against Notre
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Dame in that game. And I'm just like, you won
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: the game, cool, but you thought that made sense to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: put the game on the foot of a guy that
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: was a fairly new kicker, and it was like a
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: 40-plus yard kick, that didn't make any sense to me. So, yeah,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: they may do dumb stuff and time management stuff, and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: they may drop a game. But, yeah, like, they're going
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: to be tough as shit. Like, they're going to have
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: the boys out there, for real.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: And look, man, the ACC will give you some warm-up
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: competition before you come out, you know, to play the games.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: But in the end, it's still a really good place
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: to get players. Oh, man, yeah. You know, and it's not...
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: It's not what it was when nobody had figured out
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: that they had the players, right? And they just had
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: a complete lockdown of the area and an ability to
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: go get the guys they needed from out of state.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Having a down University of Texas, which is always helpful
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: in helping you. A lot of that run, like the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: late 80s, early 90s, down Texas, down OU.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: So now you could go get down boys. Yeah, like
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: you could go get, what's his name? Jesse Armstead, for example.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: I think Kevin Williams, if I'm not mistaken, was another
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: one of those. But you could go get those guys. Now,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: everybody got in there. They were still doing great business
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: recruiting South Florida. You just got to get.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: A little bit more than that.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now you got to do that because everybody takes
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: South Florida kids. I remember Amari Cooper going up to
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Alabama and stuff like that.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: What else?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I think Saban was going down there. Jerry Judy.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, oh, I know they're down here.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: The thing about Miami that is tough is that they
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: just don't have the same.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: Pageantry. If you go to a game at LSU or
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: you go.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: To a game at Alabama or Auburn and then you
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: go to a game down there in Miami, it's just
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: not going to feel the same. You know what? When
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: I was in Tampa, I covered a kid named Vernon Hargreaves.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: If you remember Vernon, he was the best high school player.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: His daddy was a coach for those Miami. He was
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: a linebacker's coach, I think, for Miami during that Andre Johnson,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Ed Reed run. And so he wanted to go to Miami,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Vernon Hargreaves. And he was just like, man, when I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: went down there, it looked like it did when I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: was growing up. Like he used to say all the
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: facilities were old and they didn't have everything. And he's like,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: I just couldn't go down there. And so, yeah, man.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: That's because they would like to be good, but they
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: ain't want to be good.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Right. But that also happens, those schools that have a
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: built-in advantage.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: North Carolina basketball has suffered this fate multiple times.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: They're like, yo, people grow up wanting to come here, right?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: They commit before they get here. Why do we need
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: to do this? And then you look up one day
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: and it's like, wow, this carpet's really old. And you
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: wind up having to, like, turn everything open. And that
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: was the same thing with Miami. They're like, what are
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: you talking about? These boys just want to stay home.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they want to come to here.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Right. And then they also reached a point where they're like, no, actually,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: people trying to get the hell out of here, dog. Like,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit like Brian Pater is, you know, like,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: those sorts of stories, I don't think did Miami any favor.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: It looked a little, just a little like grim and
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: dangerous down there.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Cause they had another guy that got, they had another
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: kid that got killed on that team back in the nineties.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: Right. Like Ray, Ray Lewis era. They had like, right. Yeah.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, man. If you was from, you know
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: If you from there.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Whether you should stay or whether you should go is
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: just a very interesting question, depending upon who you are
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: and what your reasons are, right? But, like, take New
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: York City, for example. These kids are using basketball not
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: to stay.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah. They're trying to get down to Atlanta, remember?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: They're trying to get anywhere.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, out of that town.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Anywhere but the crib, you know? So, no, I think
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: that program is so interesting, and now let's see where
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: it is because Mario— is not a cane by personality
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: per se, but he's of it, right? And I will
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: say this, the last thing I'll say about this before we,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: you know, we got to give Joel back his time.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: When the players looked like they was about to set
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: it off in 2020 against the colleges and all that,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: I wound up on the phone call with Javon Holland,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: who now plays for the New York Giants. He played
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: for Oregon. Crystal Ball was the coach at Oregon at
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: the time. And look, man, Holland was a dude that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: had like like he was a he was a ringleader,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: this sort of thing. The Malcolm X posted on the wall,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Right. Which may not seem to
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: be the case if you he's he real zoomy when
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: you look at him.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I was so impressed with Holland in that
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: interview that anytime something good happens to him to this day.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: I'll send him a text and be like, hey, man,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: I see what you're doing, right? Because look, man, that
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: dude said in 2020 when they was looking like they
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: was going to set it off, he was like, I
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: know exactly what I'm stepping into. And if this costs
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: me whatever, I did it for the right reasons. That's
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: somebody saying that at 21 years old.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: I like that, man.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? That's a stand-up dude. And
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: that stand-up dude could not have loved Mario Cristobal more.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: Really? Okay.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: In a really sincere, profound way. Like, he had an
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: admiration for the fact that Cristobal didn't necessarily agree with
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: everything that he was saying about how he wanted to
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: handle that situation. But the way he listened and entertained
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: everything that everybody had to say in that time. Like, Cristobal,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: from that, I came away from that feeling like he's
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: what you want a college coach to be.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: You know, as terms of leader of men, molder of
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: men type of guy. Right. I just don't know, you know,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: if he can coach coach.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Right. It might not even matter.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I mean, I guess that's part of
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: the legacy of being part of those Kings teams.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: You have to learn, man.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Like sometimes when those guys were in the locker room
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: and you exposed to all these guys and you and
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: the games that they in and the experiences they in,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: like Mario probably picked up a lot living with those dudes.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, how could. How could that not impact
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: him when he has to get to coach those.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Guys later, right?
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Like that's the– Like Kirby, you know?
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Look at how Kirby can talk to them boys, man.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Kirby was in the DB room.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man. Yeah.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: You got to remember, Kirby was in there. I think
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: he left before this, but like Kirby in there with Champ.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're going to have to learn some things
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: when you're in those rooms, man. You learn how to
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: talk and move in certain kind of rooms, man.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: And look, Kirby played, right?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: That's right. He was a good player. I don't know
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: if he was all SEC, but he was like, you know.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: I think he was.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: Was he all SEC? Yeah, he was a very good
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: college football player.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Kirby was a good player. Will Muschamp, it didn't
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: seem like it, but he clearly knows some things about
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: talking to these boys.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: He was in the DB room.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, look man, I mean, Nick Saban. I mean,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: it was a different era. But Nick Saban is a
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: DB coach, man.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: You know? And it gives you a chance.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: That's why you saw Nick Saban doing line dancing in
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: people's homes and look like he knew all the steps.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: Like, he didn't know how to walk them through it.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now. We talked about this on
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: here before. He know the Alexa slide. He know the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: bus stop. He know the Harlem shuffle. He know the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: cha-cha slide. You ain't sneaking nothing past Nick.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's seen it all. He's seen it all.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: At all. And Ryan hit it correctly. Yeah, Kirby Smart
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: is the center of Peyton Manning. Kirby Smart was, as
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: a junior, second team All-SEC. As a senior, first team All-SEC.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: I knew it was good, man.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, Kirby could talk. That pregame speech, man. I
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: guess it was before Florida. I was like, man, that
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: shit got me hype. He got me want to go
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: out there and run into something, you know?
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Amen. He got it done. But look, that is
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Joel Anderson, who probably a two maybe on his capability
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: of hating and what he did not do. You know
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? You was in a good place today.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you for that.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: I tried to do the right thing. We had to
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: restart a few times, but that's okay.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Always trying something, man. Check out the Ranger Tailgate show.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: with Joel Anderson, Van Lathan, and Tate Frazier, right? I
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: feel like I got to have Tate on the show
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: at some point. Otherwise, they're going to think I'm discriminating.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: We could bring Tate on with us. Maybe we could
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: do it that way, too. I ain't going to lie.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Your co-sign on him is going a long way.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: I like Tate. He's a good dude, man.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: That's good to know. That's good to know. It's going
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: a long way. That last name, last name combination. You
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. I never know what
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: to do with that.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like Van said, take out a little shit tool, man.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: It's all good.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Okay. That's good to know. Brother, I appreciate you.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Always, brother. Anytime.
• 1:10:45
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