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- 0:01Welcome to Paws Between Us, your regular dose of positive pet news.
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- 0:30Hey Nat. Heyya, how you doing? Yes, I'm good. How are
- 0:33you? All right. Thank you very much. We're here for another Short Pause.
- 0:37We are. Our Short Pause where we focus on some of the news and
- 0:41research emerging from the world of pets. Things that have caught our eye,
- 0:45caught our attention, things that we've been thinking about. And it is very different to
- 0:49the other episodes that we produce where we talk to special
- 0:53guests and pick their brains about their expertise and wisdom.
- 0:56So yeah, this is, this is things that we are, we are passionate about or
- 1:00that we've seen seen recently that we want to share. Yeah. It sort of hopefully
- 1:05gives a little bit of a different take on the animal world.
- 1:09So, yeah. What have you come across anything this week? What's caught your eye?
- 1:13I have. I mean, what caught my eye was sadly last
- 1:16night watching the news about some of the wildfires across Europe.
- 1:20And there was a real sad clip where I think in a town
- 1:24in France, there were horses running through the
- 1:27town trying to escape the fires. And,
- 1:31oh, it's a real sad sight to see, and I just hope that
- 1:36those horses are okay. And there were people kind of taking
- 1:39dogs out of houses and things, and yeah.
- 1:43It's dreadful, isn't it? It is. It is. And then I
- 1:46have just seen lots in the news this week about the heatwave,
- 1:50'cause it isn't just people in the UK like us that are
- 1:54impacted. It is people in the sort of broader parts of
- 1:57Europe. Yeah. Yeah, I've been seeing some articles myself actually,
- 2:01'cause there was something in The Guardian, I think, a few days ago. Yeah.
- 2:04I mean, it's crazy, isn't it? And I think there's definitely vets and animal
- 2:09charities out there that have warned that all animals can
- 2:12fall dangerously ill in hot weather, especially dogs. And actually they
- 2:17can get more poorly quite quickly at lower temperatures than many
- 2:21people might realise. So it doesn't have to be super scorchio.
- 2:26To cause damage. And so the RSPCA's urging
- 2:31owners to treat the heatwave as a temporary dog lockdown, and it's safer for them
- 2:34to miss a walk than risk overheating. And I know we've talked about this before
- 2:38because Betty is particularly prone to
- 2:41overheating, so I'm always super vigilant. But it's
- 2:45quite a few vets out there that are reporting that they've seen an increase in,
- 2:49in pets with organ damage after overheating.
- 2:53And also a rise in blisters on pets' paws from the scorching pavement.
- 2:56So if you see me going around the streets bent down,
- 3:00putting my hands on the pavement, I'm not crazy. I'm just doing it
- 3:03because I am testing it. Yeah. And, um,
- 3:07I mean, this might be in the article and I might be preempting what you
- 3:09were gonna say, but there was things about like, consider even taking your
- 3:14cat for any vet checkups unless they're kind of absolutely urgent, because taking
- 3:18them in carry cases that are usually plastic and retain
- 3:22heat and have no airflow. I mean, oh my
- 3:25God, I got so upset a few months ago when I was
- 3:29in the vets, and it wasn't during the heatwave, but it was a warm day.
- 3:32A woman brought her cat in one of those space backpacks,
- 3:36and the cat was huge. It filled the backpack.
- 3:39It had a few air holes, but I was like, what?
- 3:42Why are you bringing your cat in a sort of fashion item that's like a
- 3:46space helmet? Bring something practical that your cat can
- 3:49move around in, but it couldn't lie down in this. Backpack. The backpack was open
- 3:53as well. And like, I know the thing about cats is that they need a
- 3:57bit of COVID to feel protected. Sorry,
- 4:00I'm going on a rant, but it really annoyed me. And I wish the vet
- 4:03at the time had advised her and said, this isn't really appropriate,
- 4:06get yourself something better. Because it's, oh, anyway,
- 4:10sorry, back to you. No, you're right. It makes me angry.
- 4:13I've had discussions with my vet about at what time of
- 4:17day it's more appropriate to bring Betty for an appointment, for example. Nice. And they've,
- 4:21yeah, they have said, look, Don't come afternoon or evening,
- 4:25let's get you an early morning appointment, which I think is really considerate.
- 4:28Brilliant. Brilliant. So maybe the vet did have a chat with the
- 4:31owner of the cat. You don't know. I know. And I do suppose I do
- 4:35have to think that it's sometimes, it's just out of ignorance, not out of kind
- 4:39of vanity or what, you know, what I was suggesting there. But it's that
- 4:42immediate annoyance of me and just sort of thinking that like lack of thought.
- 4:46Yes. But I do have to kind of chill and go, maybe she didn't realise,
- 4:50maybe it's actually not that warm. But anyway. Yeah. I mean,
- 4:54that's the thing. I don't know about cats, but I know that dogs can overheat
- 4:57quickly 'cause they don't sweat through their skin like humans do. And this is something
- 5:01that I learned a few years ago, that actually dogs
- 5:05rely on sweating through their paw pads to cool down.
- 5:08Yeah. And of course they need to pant and that helps them cool down as
- 5:12well. And that's why Betty does struggle a little bit because she can't
- 5:15pant that efficiently. So always really sort of mindful of that.
- 5:19And yeah, I mean, just in terms of signs of heatstroke in dogs,
- 5:23so excessive panting, bright red or pale gums, sickening weakness and
- 5:27lethargy. And a dog's temperature is meant to be around
- 5:3138.5 to 39, um,
- 5:36Celsius. And so some of these dogs are coming in apparently
- 5:40with temperatures of 41. Um, so yeah.
- 5:44And that's when you start to see sort of organ damage.
- 5:48Just to be very mindful, I guess, of this continued
- 5:53heatwave. Yeah. And I think that also applies, 'cause I
- 5:57think again, just to kind of COVID any other animals and pets, that applies to
- 6:00like rabbits in hutches in gardens. Guinea pigs
- 6:04apparently have been a big victim of this as well, because they're not necessarily
- 6:08always in shade. And I think during heatwaves, if you have
- 6:11got a run outside that they have shade constantly throughout
- 6:16the day, because otherwise they're just absolutely gonna cook in, and they
- 6:20haven't got a way of getting into a shady patch. So please, please,
- 6:24please, consider where your animals are kept. If it's hot for you, it's gonna be
- 6:27baking for them. Yeah. I mean, it is really hot, isn't it? It's,
- 6:31it's relentless at the moment. It's really tricky. And I think, you know,
- 6:34a lot of people are probably trying to do their best and still worrying.
- 6:39Yeah. Yeah. So, and what about you? I mean,
- 6:43I've also been looking up pigeons, which I can come onto.
- 6:48Oh. It's a very misunderstood animal,
- 6:51'cause they're seen as pests. But yeah,
- 6:55shall I, shall I talk a little bit about that? Do, because I saw
- 6:59something, it seems to have come into the news. So, yeah, go on.
- 7:02Yeah, I mean, pigeons seem to be having a bit of a renaissance at
- 7:05the moment, which is probably a good thing because the humble
- 7:09pigeon is very misunderstood. But apparently the tide is turning,
- 7:13which is a good thing. And this prompted me to find out a bit about
- 7:17pigeons because I was visiting my mum recently and she has this wonderful photo
- 7:21of her in Trafalgar Square feeding the pigeons and surrounded
- 7:25by pigeons, and she's in her element because she's always loved pigeons.
- 7:30And I was just thinking, okay, I don't know an awful lot about pigeons.
- 7:35I had a friend once who was in a flat and had a balcony,
- 7:39and the pigeons decided to also share their balcony,
- 7:44or share her balcony. And I remember she was trying to think of all these
- 7:48ways to kind of get rid of them. And I thought, I don't know,
- 7:51is that like fair? But yeah, they, you know,
- 7:54pigeons do face daily threats. So, apparently, according to the RSPCA,
- 7:58in 2025, more than 2,300 pigeons came
- 8:02through the RSPCA's doors, and most were injured, grounded, or orphaned.
- 8:09And pigeons have been with us for a long, long time, at least as
- 8:13far back as the Egyptians, apparently. Wow. Oh, wow.
- 8:16So, yeah, you sort of see them everywhere, don't you?
- 8:19And they are regarded as pests, but I think it's a little bit more—
- 8:23it's— that's a bit unfair, really. And there are apparently more than
- 8:27350 different species of pigeon, which include
- 8:30doves. Oh, I did wonder this. Yeah, I did wonder about doves. I never knew
- 8:34that. I never knew doves were also a pigeon. Because they look pretty, then they're
- 8:38all right. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, exactly.
- 8:41And during the Second World War, around 100,000 pigeons carried vital messages,
- 8:45maps, and microfilm in capsules attached to their legs.
- 8:51So, they sort of played a key role really in the wartime
- 8:54efforts, and they delivered information during bombings and power cuts, even when
- 8:58they were wounded. And thirdly, 32 pigeons received the PDSA
- 9:02Dickin Medal, the highest military award animals can receive,
- 9:07which I think is amazing, really. Yeah,
- 9:10they played such an important role in the war effort,
- 9:13didn't they? And it's great that they got that recognition. Yeah, and I
- 9:17don't quite know what happened between then and now where they then developed
- 9:21such a poor reputation. There was something about
- 9:25the, I don't, I mean, I don't know how true it was, but there was
- 9:28something about that a lot of the pigeons that are around
- 9:31now have come from domesticated pets.
- 9:36Right. Okay. Again, I have to have a look, but like they were kind
- 9:39of kept as a pet or they were kept for racing. There was lots of
- 9:42pigeon fancying back in the day, wasn't there? And they were
- 9:46useful to us and then they became, they didn't, they weren't as useful to us
- 9:49and so became sort of feral, I suppose.
- 9:53Is that the right word? Yeah, maybe. And now just have to fend for themselves.
- 9:57Yeah. Well, they're very smart, apparently, very smart and complex
- 10:00creatures. Okay. They have exceptional memories, as part
- 10:04of my research has shown. Their brain is only the size of a cashew
- 10:08nut, so very small, but their problem-solving skills are better
- 10:12than modern AI models. And they're one of the few non-mammals
- 10:15who can recognise themselves in a mirror. And with training,
- 10:19they can even spot signs of cancer in medical scans as accurately as human
- 10:23experts. So, wow. I find that fascinating, and I want
- 10:27to do a little bit more digging into that. Um, because yeah,
- 10:31I don't know how, how that works or how we've come to realise
- 10:35that they can spot those signs of cancer. But yeah,
- 10:38they're really misunderstood. And I don't, I think having now looked into all of
- 10:42this, I don't think I'm gonna look at them the same way. 'Cause in the
- 10:45city where I am, there, there's loads of them everywhere. And you just sort of
- 10:49pass them by really without giving them much thought, or you just sort of shoo
- 10:51them away, or, well, I don't, but some people do and kick them
- 10:55and yeah. Wow. Gosh, yeah. I mean, I could never do that, but I have
- 10:58heard on social media of people attacking pigeons, and I
- 11:02think it's really, really sad. Disgusting. So, it's definitely changed
- 11:07my view of them. And yeah,
- 11:10I want to do a little bit more research into them to understand
- 11:14them a bit better. Yeah. Well, it says,
- 11:17while you were just talking there, I kind of had a little Google, and it
- 11:19says that they are, you know, people think they're unhygienic, but they're not. They spend
- 11:22a lot of their time grooming and bathing. They're not unclean.
- 11:27And they have a whole range of emotions. They can love, grieve,
- 11:31suffer from loneliness. And if like, if any of them are living
- 11:35isolated, they tend to experience things like depression.
- 11:38So, if you've, you know, if you've kept a pet on its own, one on
- 11:40its own is not good. They prefer to live in flocks. And they're
- 11:45loving and loyal creatures. So, we've kept them for thousands of years and
- 11:49now we're abandoning them. Yeah, exactly. That's what I find so
- 11:52sad is that clearly they had a key role in the, at least in the
- 11:56UK at some point, and we've turned our back on them.
- 12:00And we shouldn't do. A friend of mine had a baby,
- 12:032 baby pigeons in her garden, and she took very good care. One of them
- 12:07flew off. She was very pleased to see one of them eventually after a day
- 12:10or 2 flew off. But the other one was struggling and she did a very
- 12:14great thing and took it in, created like a little nest for
- 12:17it and Googled a lot of different things to kind of feed it, to try
- 12:20and bring it back to its strength. And unfortunately the
- 12:24poor thing did pass away because it just wasn't well. And I think I've read
- 12:28that quite a few unfortunately do die at a young age, but she
- 12:32He took very good care of it and like, it's nice that people are out
- 12:34there willing to kind of do some love for our wild animals
- 12:39and the ones that live close with us. Yeah, those acts of kindness are amazing.
- 12:43Apparently young pigeons, they're known as squabs. Mm-hmm.
- 12:46Yes. And yeah, you can do a homemade wildlife rescue
- 12:50box if you find a young pigeon who
- 12:55is maybe injured or in danger, you can do that.
- 12:59So, there's plenty of info on the online about how to make your own wildlife
- 13:02rescue box. So, do check it out. And yeah, next time you
- 13:06see a little pigeon, maybe give it some, give it some thought,
- 13:10give it some respect, or give it the respect it deserves. Yeah.
- 13:14So, what about you? What have you found? What's caught your eye this, this week?
- 13:18So, potentially a debatable subject,
- 13:22but it's about fireworks and animals. The UK government's launched a
- 13:26consultation about the future of fireworks and pyrotechnics.
- 13:30Because it's around reducing negative impacts on like people, communities, and And
- 13:35it acknowledges that like a lot of people have been kind of complaining and
- 13:39raising concerns for quite a few years. So, like pet owners, farmers, animal welfare
- 13:43groups, members of the public, because it can cause a lot of distress to like
- 13:47maybe your household dog, your cat, you know, everybody's going to know that. But then
- 13:50also horses, wildlife, and livestock also struggle
- 13:54with all the bangs and randomness. It's quite frightening to a lot of animals.
- 13:59So, the proposals are kind of out now. It's on their website.
- 14:03It's on the government website under their consultation section,
- 14:07but it's about restricting louder fireworks and only maybe
- 14:11potentially having them for professional use only. So, general public
- 14:15would only have access to quieter versions, smaller fireworks.
- 14:19And at the moment, they want to get as much feedback from
- 14:23the general public and from businesses and organisations as well, like consumer groups
- 14:27and healthcare organisations and mental health Charities,
- 14:31things like that, as well as animal charities and animal welfare organisations.
- 14:35And I know that Cats Protection and RSPCA have been promoting
- 14:39this and putting some information on places like LinkedIn and probably social
- 14:42media, because they want to hear from the general public and pet owners as well.
- 14:47I have had a look at it. It is quite complex.
- 14:50There's a certain bit of information and reading you'd need to do as a layperson
- 14:54to sort of put your viewpoint across. But every view,
- 14:58I suppose, will be useful if you've got a particular opinion on this.
- 15:03The deadline for the consultation is the 7th of October,
- 15:06so you've got quite a few months to have a look at
- 15:10the website, maybe get in touch with some of the charitable organisations if you want
- 15:14a bit of guidance, or if you want to know if they're doing anything as
- 15:16a collective, might be a worthwhile step.
- 15:19But otherwise, have a look at the www.gov.uk/government/consultations.
- 15:28Then you'll be able to find that and input your own viewpoint
- 15:32on it. And like I say, it's open until the 7th of October.
- 15:35But yeah, thinking about it from, I suppose, I was just going to sort of
- 15:39give my own opinion on this, and then we can discuss it a little bit
- 15:42between us about how we feel. I mean, my cats are
- 15:47nonplussed about the fireworks. They don't react at all, which is great.
- 15:51We don't tend to have many that are on the street or very often.
- 15:55So, I suppose they're limited in terms of the noise and how close it is.
- 15:59But what we tend to do is make sure the TV's on very loud or
- 16:02loud enough to drown out any random bangs so
- 16:06that it just feels like it's part of the TV. So it doesn't
- 16:09come as a shock, 'cause they're quite sensitive to like the doorbell going and random
- 16:13other noises. So I'm quite surprised that they're very chilled about it. But in the
- 16:16past, I have had cats that have been terrified by it and,
- 16:20you know, it's really distressing and a lot of people worry about their animals during
- 16:23that time and Yes, you know, I don't want to take the fun
- 16:27out of it because displays are great for, you know,
- 16:30as humans, I love going around and watching fireworks go off. It can be really
- 16:34exciting and entertaining. But I think I agree. I think like
- 16:38for larger displays, that's all well and good. They happen
- 16:41on the night and the night before, the weekend before, whatever. But like having neighbours
- 16:45with gardens, just sort of having these really loud, huge fireworks
- 16:50that go off and often at random times in the week, random times in the
- 16:53year. I'm not so sure I'm that on board with
- 16:57those because it does frighten wildlife. It, you know, it's quite
- 17:01a threatening noise, and I think we need to be more kind and thoughtful.
- 17:06Plus, there's the danger, you know, they're weapons at the end of the day.
- 17:09In the wrong hands, they can cause some serious damage. But yeah, I don't know.
- 17:13What's your thought on it, or what's your opinion? Yeah, I mean, I'm in agreement
- 17:16with you. I mean, it does sound like there's plenty of time for people to
- 17:19contribute views, and every view will count, I'm sure. So yeah, I encourage people
- 17:23to have a look and have a say if their pet is impacted.
- 17:27Betty, like Weaver and Marie, isn't that,
- 17:31isn't that bothered. And I always find that strange because,
- 17:35like you say, when the doorbell goes, she's instantly alert
- 17:39to that. Not so much scared, but it gets her attention.
- 17:43Where the sort of like the bangs and things that, that go on around bonfire
- 17:48night, but also New Year and things like that. She,
- 17:52yeah, she doesn't seem too fussed about, but I know there's lots of people out
- 17:55there who have pets who get very, very scared.
- 18:00Yeah. And yeah, is it necessary? That's the thing.
- 18:03I'm not sure it is just for anyone at any
- 18:07time to be letting off fireworks. I think it would be better to
- 18:10be more controlled. Yeah. And I think the thing to say actually,
- 18:15they're not looking to ban everything. They're just looking to kind of reassess some of
- 18:19the certain level of them, the sort of bigger,
- 18:22louder, more risky ones, I suppose. Yeah,
- 18:26because do they really need to be that loud? I don't know. I mean,
- 18:29they're beautiful when they light up in the sky, but is the sound important to
- 18:33the overall experience of them? I'm not sure it is. Does it add
- 18:37anything? I think if you restrict fireworks more to events and to
- 18:41controlled environments, at least you know roughly when those fireworks
- 18:45are going to go off. If you live near somewhere where
- 18:48you know there's an event, you can make plans, right? You can perhaps pop
- 18:52out, go somewhere, take your, your dog perhaps with you.
- 18:56Mm-hmm. Maybe you don't have to be at home having to listen to it.
- 19:00And so when they're just going off like randomly at any, like you
- 19:03say, times of the day, doesn't, you know, it can take you by surprise.
- 19:07So yeah. Yeah, it's an interesting one.
- 19:11And I know that it's a really difficult time of year for some pet
- 19:14owners. November through till about January, isn't it?
- 19:18Yeah. People get really worried about it and it does cause quite a lot of
- 19:22like headache and stress for humans and
- 19:25their pets. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, reading here, it's like,
- 19:29it talks, even talks about like the fact that the emergency services have
- 19:33had a whole hassle to deal with people who use them
- 19:37as weapons and like taking them to football matches
- 19:41and everywhere they kind of seem to be able to be brought in.
- 19:44What I always felt, I mean, this is kind of going off slightly, but people
- 19:47have those smoke bomb things as well. People are holding them at
- 19:52festivals. I'm thinking, surely that's just dripping stuff on people. I don't understand,
- 19:57like, the thinking sometimes, but. Yeah. I mean,
- 20:00I don't, is that, I don't think that's, like, necessary. I can't see or
- 20:04understand why people take them to football matches and concerts and
- 20:08things. Surely it's a health and safety hazard as well.
- 20:12Yeah. Yeah. No, well, I will definitely check it
- 20:15out and see if there's some views that I can share.
- 20:19Interesting to see what the outcome is and whether or not there is a reassessment
- 20:23as a result of this. Yeah. And I'm sure come
- 20:27nearer the time, maybe we can share some more thoughts and some advice
- 20:32on keeping your pets safe and happy around
- 20:36this time of year. Yeah, that'd be good. Things that you can do. So.
- 20:40Yeah. Thank you for sharing. Yeah. So go on
- 20:43just to the gov.uk website and under their
- 20:47consultations, you should be able to find it. Thank you, everybody.
- 20:51Yeah. Yeah. So that's our roundup for this week. We hope
- 20:54you found it interesting. If there are topics that you would like us
- 20:57to look into and to share on this podcast, then do let us
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- 21:05at pausebetweenus@gmail.com.
- 21:09Thank you, and we'll see you next time for a long pause with another expert
- 21:13speaker. So, take care, everyone. See you next time.