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UK Column News - 30th January 2026 · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good afternoon today. It's Friday, the thirtieth of January twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK column News.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Brian Gerrish. Delighted to have Patrick henningson
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  Speaker 1: with me in the studio.
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  Speaker 2: Great to be with you, Brian, Yes, excellent.
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  Speaker 1: And we're also very pleased to have Basil Valentine, journalist
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  Speaker 1: and political analyst with us, so welcome Basil.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: The talk really across mainstream media and UK today at
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  Speaker 1: various levels is the tourist what's his name, Patrick Kia Starmer,
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  Speaker 1: that said Klea Starmer has been off on its travels
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  Speaker 1: visiting China and we're definitely going to make some comment
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  Speaker 1: on that. We're going to have a look at the
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  Speaker 1: serious build up towards war with Iran. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: have an in depth look Intoish British UK politics and
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  Speaker 1: who the real actors are controlling, not only what's happening
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  Speaker 1: in the civil service, but what's happening at Prime minister level.
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  Speaker 1: And in addition, we're going to have another look at
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  Speaker 1: the Panopticon for UK, which is the new police service.
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  Speaker 1: So over to you, Patrick, mister Starmer.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's the state visit in China. We'll bring this
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  Speaker 2: up on screen right now. And this was a great
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  Speaker 2: summit for Britain, but not quite to the level of
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  Speaker 2: a welcome that the American and the French president's got,
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  Speaker 2: but nonetheless serious talks happened there. And what was interesting
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  Speaker 2: about this now is China is really taking the center
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  Speaker 2: stage as a sort of leading power now in this
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  Speaker 2: vacuum that Trump is left after Davos, President Jijing Ping
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  Speaker 2: warrened Keir Starmer about unilateralism, protectionism and power politics destabilizing
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  Speaker 2: the international order. And he's saying that in international law
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  Speaker 2: can only function when all nations, especially the big powers,
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  Speaker 2: adhere to it. He's really as a dog whistle towards
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, but with Starmer sitting right across from him.
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  Speaker 2: And this is what he said, which I think was
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  Speaker 2: quite important in this context of great powers don't lead
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  Speaker 2: by example, the world risks sliding back into the law
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  Speaker 2: of the jungle, says Jijing Ping, the Chinese president taking
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  Speaker 2: a leadership role in terms of the global geopolitical scene.
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  Speaker 1: Brian, Well, we need some gravitas, don't we, because the
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  Speaker 1: rest of it is degenerating into pure theater. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: just going to say, I hear that Stormer's place at
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  Speaker 1: the big table was fairly low down the pecking order,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think he was getting quite the official
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  Speaker 1: reception from the Chinese that he thought he was. But
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's a little bit of PSA.
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  Speaker 2: Nor did they've closed down the Forbidden City for him
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  Speaker 2: like they did for Trump and Manuel Macron. But more
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  Speaker 2: about that maybe later. But over now, let's just talk
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  Speaker 2: about the degeneracy, if you will, of the international system.
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  Speaker 2: Here Iran, Trump's latest war, all of the naval assets,
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  Speaker 2: which will show in a minute, Brian, I know you
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  Speaker 2: have a lot to comment on this side, but the
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  Speaker 2: US has massed a massive military force there. But here
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  Speaker 2: is the basis of the public consent, Getting the Western
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  Speaker 2: public to buy into this war. Trump has changed basically
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  Speaker 2: the excuse for it. He's pivoted away from the protests
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  Speaker 2: of a few weeks ago. Now he's saying it's about
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  Speaker 2: the nuclear program, and maybe he'll pivot next in a
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  Speaker 2: few days to something else, the missiles or something. So
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to know where Trump is or what the
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  Speaker 2: reason for this war is. But back here, Brian, real quickly,
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  Speaker 2: the dirty numbers game excellent piece in the cradle and
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  Speaker 2: we'll look at this. So this is what people have
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  Speaker 2: heard in Western media waves of coverage, and they're talking
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  Speaker 2: about forty three thousand dead, three hundred and fifty wounded.
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  Speaker 2: These are and where are all these claims coming from
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  Speaker 2: about the massacres, alleged massacres in Iran. Well, one of
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  Speaker 2: them is here is the International Center for Human Rights.
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  Speaker 2: They're based in Toronto, if I'm not mistaken. No forensic data,
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  Speaker 2: no independent verifiabill proof, no photos, nothing. There's a few
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  Speaker 2: photos circulating with body bags, but we'll talk about the
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  Speaker 2: details of those maybe in a minute. But a nine
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  Speaker 2: hundred word blog post by a British comedian set the
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  Speaker 2: mainstream media ablaze with those claims here, Brian, and the
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  Speaker 2: lowest estimate here from the human rights activists in Iran. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I think this one's based in New York, funded by
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  Speaker 2: the State Department. They've lowered it down now to five
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  Speaker 2: eight hundred and forty eight this particular NGO, and that's
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  Speaker 2: the National Endowment Democracy, a CIA cut out. But what's
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  Speaker 2: important here is this, Brian. All these claims get filtered
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  Speaker 2: up to mainstream media. So Time magazine using this thirty
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  Speaker 2: thousand dead have been killed by the regime, supposedly again unverifiable,
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  Speaker 2: citing Iran International. This is in Israeli clearinghouse. It's not
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  Speaker 2: in Iran, it's in Israeli cut out, if you will.
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  Speaker 2: That's acknowledged even by Israeli intelligence on record thirty six
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  Speaker 2: thousand deaths. So it's really all over the place. And
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  Speaker 2: Amnesty International was pressured but refrained giving specific numbers and
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  Speaker 2: just said thousands here. But here is the actual official figures.
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  Speaker 2: This is from the Iranian government's Foundation of Martyrs and
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  Speaker 2: Veteran Affairs. Three thousand, one hundred and seventeen deaths, including
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  Speaker 2: two four hundred civilians. That includes also rioters and security personnel,
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of police. There was a state funeral for the
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  Speaker 2: police that were killed. There were to our account, two
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty mosques were hit set on fire, seven
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  Speaker 2: hundred banks were attacked and set on fire. So this
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  Speaker 2: was a calculated attack that both US and Israeli intelligence
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  Speaker 2: admit that they were involved in the destabilization. And yet
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  Speaker 2: in the West Brian it's oh, the regime is carrying
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  Speaker 2: out a genocide. It's just so, that's the rhetoric that's
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  Speaker 2: being used to sell this war.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is terrible to watch this happening, that
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  Speaker 1: the West is inflaming a state. On one hand, it's
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  Speaker 1: saying that these terrible atrocities are going on. Clearly some
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  Speaker 1: atrocities have happened. For the West as saying these terrible
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  Speaker 1: atrocities have happened, We're going to solve the problem by
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  Speaker 1: bombing Iran. That's effectively the American stance at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to say to our audience that we've
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  Speaker 1: had some very interesting emails come in from British Iranians
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  Speaker 1: who are commenting on what they've heard that's happening in
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  Speaker 1: the country from relatives. Clearly, some really unpleasant things have happened,
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  Speaker 1: But our key point here is that the West is
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  Speaker 1: not report events accurately. They're being grossly inflamed in order
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  Speaker 1: to help justify a possible forthcoming attack by the Americans.
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  Speaker 1: And if we're going to deal with a proper international politics,
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  Speaker 1: then we've got to have truth from both the Western
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  Speaker 1: media and other media overseas. So we recognize the blight
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  Speaker 1: of some Iraneans at the moment, but the big point
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  Speaker 1: here is that the destabilization is clearly orientated by the West.
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  Speaker 2: And these figures are being pulled out of thin air literally,
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  Speaker 2: So it's not forensic dissens.
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  Speaker 1: Motion, isn't it. These are for emotion. It's the propaganda purposes.
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  Speaker 2: The same in Syria of Brian Asad butchered five hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand of his own people. On those figures, they were
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  Speaker 2: counting dead Syrian army soldiers and Al Qaeda soldiers. So
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  Speaker 2: basically anybody that died with in Syria went into this
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  Speaker 2: giant body count that was used to justify sanctions and
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  Speaker 2: bombing of Syria. Exact same formula here with Iran. Different.
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  Speaker 2: So the lies just get unbelievable in our mainstream media.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to give a shout out to Jonathan Cook,
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  Speaker 2: one of the greatest independent journalists I think in the country.
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  Speaker 2: In Britain, the BBC pushing the case for an illegal
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  Speaker 2: war on Iran with even bigger lies than Trump's. So
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  Speaker 2: the BBC of out trumped Trump somehow, Brian, and we're
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  Speaker 2: going to show you a BBC clip here, And there's
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  Speaker 2: nothing journalistic about this report. It is pure propaganda. The
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  Speaker 2: Chinese and the Russians have nothing on the Bebe when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to ramping up excitement and fear for a war.
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  Speaker 2: Watch this.
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  Speaker 3: They killed my brother, the woman's screams. We still don't
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  Speaker 3: know the exact toll, but Iranians who witnessed what happened
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  Speaker 3: believe tens of thousands are dead, many more seriously injured.
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  Speaker 4: The scale is truly shocking, and it's not just a
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  Speaker 4: turning point in the history of the Iranian people. I
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  Speaker 4: would say in contemporary history, it qualifies as one of
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  Speaker 4: the worst mass kings and it is absolutely essential the
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  Speaker 4: extent possible to get at the truth, to collect the evidence.
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  Speaker 3: As Washington weighs up what to do next, one of
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  Speaker 3: the American military's largest aircraft carriers, with up to fifty
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  Speaker 3: fighter jets on board, has arrived in the region. The
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  Speaker 3: US has bases around the Middle East which have now
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  Speaker 3: been significantly reinforced, and this morning a new warning from
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  Speaker 3: President Trump, A massive armada is heading to Iran. He said,
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully Iran will quickly come to the table and negotiate,
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  Speaker 3: warning that if it doesn't, the next attack on Iran
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  Speaker 3: will be far worse. Last June, US bombers joined Israel's
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  Speaker 3: attack on the country, hitting three sites centraled.
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  Speaker 2: So that's basically the report. Brian, there and just we'll
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  Speaker 2: move on. But anonymous voices, maybe tens of thousands are
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  Speaker 2: dead in outside Western person saying that it's impossible to
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  Speaker 2: get the evidence. But we're sure that tens of times
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  Speaker 2: for sure. So it's double classic double speak. Incredible, that's
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  Speaker 2: what's being used to sell this to the Western public.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Trump of course has been announcing that he's
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  Speaker 1: moving forces.
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  Speaker 2: He's saying there's a massive armada heading towards Iran. Iran,
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  Speaker 2: better make a deal or we're going to bomb you. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: this is diplomacy from the US. Brian, this is like
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  Speaker 2: a child wrote this tweet. It is embarrassing, it makes
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  Speaker 2: no sense, it's incoherent, it's inconsistent. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: to say.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it seems to be how politics has done these
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  Speaker 1: days over x. But just to add a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of meat to this, of course, the forces that are
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  Speaker 1: being moved by the US vast powerful forces, all based
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  Speaker 1: around the very big carriers. But America is under a
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  Speaker 1: huge amount of pressure at the moment. If we have
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  Speaker 1: a look at this map of the world, and we
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  Speaker 1: can have a look at US carrier deployments, now at
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  Speaker 1: the moment, they've got the USS George Washington is doing
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  Speaker 1: operations with the Japanese apparently. So the key part is
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  Speaker 1: that the USS Abraam Lincoln has been moved out of
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  Speaker 1: the South China Sea and up in order to deal
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  Speaker 1: with the Iranian crisis. But if you have a look
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  Speaker 1: at over here, we've got another big carrier, the US
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  Speaker 1: Theodore Roosevelt, that is finishing maintenance but isn't ready at
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  Speaker 1: the moment to become fully operational. And we've got Beggy
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  Speaker 1: part let's just jump back on that, sorry, And we
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  Speaker 1: have down off South America, we've got the US S
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  Speaker 1: Gerald R.
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  Speaker 5: Ford.
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  Speaker 1: So these carriers are basically locked into operations down there
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  Speaker 1: in South America and in the United States itself. So
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  Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln has had to be pulled away from operations
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  Speaker 1: on the Chinese coast. Normally, the Americans got a carrier
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  Speaker 1: operating fairly close to China, although they're becoming increasingly nervous
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  Speaker 1: of the capability of Chinese missile systems, in particularly land
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  Speaker 1: based missiles capable of targeting the carrier. And so it's
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  Speaker 1: very significant that in order to deal with Iran, America
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  Speaker 1: has had to pull a key asset away from China.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll just add that I believe that this particular ship,
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  Speaker 1: the USS Tripoli I think I've got that name correct,
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  Speaker 1: has effectively taken station to replace the carrier that's disappeared
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  Speaker 1: from the South China Sea. So huge number of assets,
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  Speaker 1: of course in the American Navy cost to this, Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: mind blowing to move these back of groups around. But yes,
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  Speaker 1: Trump is clearly serious in the quantity and power of
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  Speaker 1: the assets that he's moved to deal with Iran.
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  Speaker 2: Now, in the cost of Brian, they announced that the
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  Speaker 2: US military budget Trump was very proud to announce that
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  Speaker 2: has been ballooned up to one point five trillion. What
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  Speaker 2: happened to doge and balancing the deficit and all that talk.
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  Speaker 1: Because don't matter if there's a potential war. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a potential war, the money appears on a plate.
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  Speaker 2: Patrick, well, it's not cost free. And what we're seeing
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  Speaker 2: this week should really shock people what's going on. And
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  Speaker 2: here is Richard Wolfe, the noted economists from America. He's saying, here,
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  Speaker 2: foreign central banks hold more gold than treasuries. Now what
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  Speaker 2: does this mean, Brian? That gold is now the new
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  Speaker 2: reserve currency? No, longer the US dollar. That's official folks.
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  Speaker 2: USSRS decline left the US empire to reach its peak.
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  Speaker 2: World Central Bank then exchanged back then Brian gold for
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  Speaker 2: US treasuries. As the US empire declines right now after
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  Speaker 2: two thousand is China rises, those banks are shifting back
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  Speaker 2: from US treasuries to gold. Look at the graph. It
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  Speaker 2: is unbelievable. So the relationship, the inverse relationship here between
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  Speaker 2: US treasuries gold, and we'll go on more on this. Here.
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  Speaker 2: Gold is a new reserve currency, says Mike Adams here quoting,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look at this. Gold has overtaken treasuries in
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  Speaker 2: central bank foreign currency reserves. This all happened, Brian, within
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  Speaker 2: the last week.
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  Speaker 1: There's this momentous events.
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  Speaker 2: This is a massive run on the dollar. Look at
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  Speaker 2: this global the official gold holdings at market price up
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  Speaker 2: five trillion dollars, surpassing foreign official treasury holdings of three
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  Speaker 2: point nine trillion. This happened in the blink of an eye.
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  Speaker 2: We have never seen this in our lifetimes. It's very significant.
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  Speaker 2: This is unbelievable and the ramifications are going to be significant.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Peter Schiff right now, I think Europacific capital is
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  Speaker 2: his company. Listen to what he has to say.
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  Speaker 6: And the world is now pulling the rug out from
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  Speaker 6: under the US. The dollar is going to collapse. The
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  Speaker 6: dollar is going to be replaced by gold. Central banks
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  Speaker 6: are buying gold, are to up their crecy. They're getting
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  Speaker 6: rid of dollars, They're getting rid of treasury. We are
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  Speaker 6: headed for an economic crisis again that will make the
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  Speaker 6: two thousand and eight financial crisis look like a Sunday
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  Speaker 6: school picnic. The biggest difference between the crisis that we're
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  Speaker 6: about to have and the one we had back then
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  Speaker 6: is this one is all in America. It's not going
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  Speaker 6: to be exported to the rest of the world. It's
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  Speaker 6: not a global financial crisis. It's an American financial.
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  Speaker 2: So it will affect Britain. It remains me see what
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  Speaker 2: the city will do with its massive dollar holdings, and
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  Speaker 2: also the European central banks as well. So what's Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump's reaction to this crisis. He says, the dollar's doing great.
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  Speaker 2: This is what he said, the dollars doing fantastic. Here's
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  Speaker 2: what he said about the housing market. And Brian, I
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  Speaker 2: have never heard anything this insane in my entire life
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  Speaker 2: from any political leader. Listen to President Trump here and.
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  Speaker 7: Existing housing people that own their homes, We're going to
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  Speaker 7: keep them wealthy. We're going to keep those crises up.
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  Speaker 7: We're not going to destroy the value of their home
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  Speaker 7: so that somebody that didn't work very hard can buy
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  Speaker 7: a home. We're going to get we're going to make
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  Speaker 7: it easier to buy, We're going to get interest rates down.
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  Speaker 7: But I want to protect the people that, for the
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  Speaker 7: first time in their lives, feel good about themselves. They
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  Speaker 7: feel like they've you know, that they're wealthy people, and
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  Speaker 7: I want them to understand it. You know, there's so
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  Speaker 7: much talk about, oh, we're going to drive housing prices down.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to drive housing prices down. I want
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  Speaker 7: to drive housing prices up for people that own their
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  Speaker 7: homes and they can be assured that's what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Well, some interesting Coina, Well should take you.
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  Speaker 2: What about the people who don't own homes, Brian, They're
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  Speaker 2: not going to be able to afford homes. So what
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  Speaker 2: does this mean? And we'll bring this up on screen.
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  Speaker 2: This was sent to us by one of our viewers. Here.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine working nine to five for fifty years and then
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  Speaker 2: the thread the FED prints forty percent of the total
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  Speaker 2: money supply and inflates away twenty years of your hard work. This,
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  Speaker 2: my friends, is government inflation. That that's where it comes from.
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  Speaker 2: And the result of this, Brian, the numbers don't lie.
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  Speaker 2: Trump's working class votes. According to recent polls, they're gone.
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  Speaker 2: They've been totally viscerated. Here his approval rating. Look at
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  Speaker 2: that disapproval rating sixty one percent. So he's really not
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  Speaker 2: looking after the working class that put him into power,
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  Speaker 2: and the poll numbers are devastating. Basil Valentine, I want
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  Speaker 2: to bring you in, Basil, what do you think about
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  Speaker 2: the situation and what you just heard from the president? Hi?
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  Speaker 8: Patrick, Greg to be with you.
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  Speaker 9: Well, it's been the case on both sides of the
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  Speaker 9: Atlantic for the last thirty or forty years that people
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  Speaker 9: have effectively been bribed by their own governments with their
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  Speaker 9: own money, and rising house prices have been absolutely central
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  Speaker 9: to that. But we're now, as you point out, the
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  Speaker 9: situation where young professionals with degrees and well paying jobs
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  Speaker 9: can't possibly buy a house. Forty years ago, mortgages were
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  Speaker 9: calculated on three times annual salary. That's now up to
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  Speaker 9: eight or nine times. Of course, in America, they've got
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  Speaker 9: a lot more land to build houses, and house prices
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  Speaker 9: in America have also traditionally been a lot more volatile.
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  Speaker 9: In the troughs the prices go much much lower, But
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  Speaker 9: in the UK they're much more stable. There's been no
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  Speaker 9: meaningful drop in property prices in my entire lifetime. The UK,
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  Speaker 9: of course, now embarking on this huge house building program,
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  Speaker 9: much of it on the green belt. I think that's
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  Speaker 9: an absolute disaster. But in the US, well, they obviously
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  Speaker 9: have home this problem many times.
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  Speaker 8: That of Great Britain.
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  Speaker 9: Sixty seventy eighty thousand people homeless in the Greater Los
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  Speaker 9: Angeles area alone, and Donald Trump doesn't seem to be
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  Speaker 9: remotely interested in doing anything about that.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty shocking. And it's all true. And what's the reaction
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  Speaker 2: from Trump to save the dollar? Here? Let's bring this
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  Speaker 2: up on screen. Who's this gentleman here? This is really
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  Speaker 2: going to be the knockout punch, Ladies and gentlemen. If
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  Speaker 2: you think Donald Trump is fighting the globalists, well this
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  Speaker 2: gentleman Trump is preparing to nominate Kevin Walsh, the son
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  Speaker 2: in law of Ronald Lauder, the billionaire who happens to
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  Speaker 2: be just by coincidence President of the World Jewish Congress.
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  Speaker 2: But that's Bye and the Bye. And he's a former
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  Speaker 2: steering committee member of the Builderberg Group to be the
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  Speaker 2: next chairman of the Federal Reserve. So all of this
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  Speaker 2: talk by people like Alex Jones everybody that Trump is
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: fighting the globalists, it seems like Trump is the face
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: of the globalists at the moment. It's hard to make
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: to argue against that, but incredible.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. Is he there to protect sorry, Trump
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: there to protect America? Or is he bringing it down?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Have you got a bit more on this particular.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: No, that's all we have there. I just will leave
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: it there. We'll leave it there.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's come in to UK and have a
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: look at what's going on in UK. And one the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: key things that UK Colin new has been talking about
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: is people talking about broken Britain as though it's some
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: sort of accident. We are incompetent, we don't know how
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: to run a country, we don't know how to run industry.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: The country is falling apart and we're get in constant
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: reports in the press. More recently, of course, the press
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: is winding up to the fact that a lot of
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: people who would vote for reform believe Britain is fundamentally
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: broken and that we've got the use of the word chaos.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: It's chaos readers on Britain's broken political system. But the
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: key question that we should keep in our minds is
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: has Britain just broken up because we're incompetent and stupid
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: or is this country been deliberately broken from the inside.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: And that's what we believe has been going on. But
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I just bring this New Statesman quote up here because
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: many people, they refuse to believe that they can be
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: nasty things going on in the world. It's always a
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: cock up rather than a conspiracy. And the reporter here
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: from the New Statesman saying they were wrong about broken Britain.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: But in the actual quote, a little quote from inside
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: this article, there was something very significant.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I thought.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: So the reporter said, Britain can feel divided and lost,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: but there's always another side to the story. If all
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: politics is local, as the old saying goes, then perhaps
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: all hope is too. I don't really believe that this
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: reporter knew the significance of what they were talking about,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: but local politics the key to stopping what's happening because
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: when people locally, the ordinary man and woman in the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: streets say no to these rules based international order policies,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that's when they stop. So there was some good punch
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: in that New Statesman article, even though the rest of
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: it was fairly lackluster. And then of course we have
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Nigel Farage. He is coming under the spotlight now from
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of people and turbulent times. Here with the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: journalist Richard North, a very very good look into Farage
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and what he's really up to. So is Farage going
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to do a mini Trump in UK.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Or a Boris Part two or a Boris Part two?
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Quite possibly, And we've got to be very discerning to
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: see that he stays on the right path to actually
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: tackle the global elite. But let's just move on and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: have a look at how the Labor Party said it
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: was going to deal with things. This is part of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: their Labor Manifesto. We've shown this before. We just look
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: at about thirty seconds to remind ourselves of the style
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that Labor Party came across as it moved into power.
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: This cost of living crisis comes on the back of
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: decades of high in equality and low growth.
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: Now the number of people in England waiting to start
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: routine hospital treatment has risen to a new record high.
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: Rice you soon that gave a speech rolling back on
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: the government to net zero pledge. The rising cost of
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: mortgages is causing misery across the country.
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: The record breaking week for numbers crossing the channel this
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: year so far.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: So that we are it's all black and wide, it's
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: all dismal. It's all due to Rashieve, well maybe not
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: when we look deeper. Now we're going to move from
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: that what was promised and what Labor said it was
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: going to do in government to another look at just
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: part We just look at probably a minute of the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Institute of Government talking about changes inside the state. And
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: remember this is an unelected body, calmly telling its audience
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: what is going to take place in British politics.
• 24:05
  Speaker 12: Thank you, thank you very much for that introduction, and
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: welcome everyone here today. I'm delighted to have the opportunity
• 24:10
  Speaker 12: to say a few words to introduce Darren Jones, MP,
• 24:14
  Speaker 12: Chief Secretary to the Prime Minister and Chancellor of the
• 24:16
  Speaker 12: Duchy of Lancaster. Unsurprisingly to any of you here, the
• 24:20
  Speaker 12: Institute for Government agrees that government must think hard about
• 24:24
  Speaker 12: the how as well as about the what. Without setting
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: up the people, institutions and processes of government for success,
• 24:31
  Speaker 12: no government is going to deliver for the voters. And
• 24:34
  Speaker 12: that's why we were really pleased to see the creation
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: of the Chief Secretary role at the Center of Government
• 24:39
  Speaker 12: and to learn about the decisions to clarify the structures
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: there and to hear about the government's plans to make
• 24:45
  Speaker 12: it easier for the public to access public services using
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: digital tools, something that what three words knows.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: All, Well, that's enough of that, but you get the
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: general idea totally unelected, standing the lectern and calmly describing
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: what they, unelected people have recommended for the politics of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: UK and if you followed the track record at the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Institute of Government, invariably what they suggest then comes into being.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look at another segment where one of
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: their staff members, a lady, starts to look in more
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: detail than aspects of the government and in particular the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: civil service.
• 25:29
  Speaker 13: My name is Alex Thomas. I'm an executive director here
• 25:31
  Speaker 13: at the IFG, and this panel we're going to be
• 25:34
  Speaker 13: talking about rewiring the state. Is the government making any progress.
• 25:37
  Speaker 13: We're going to kick off with a presentation from my
• 25:40
  Speaker 13: colleague Hannah Keenan, who will talk about our brilliant Whitehall Monitor,
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: which the thirteenth edition of which we launched this morning.
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: Thanks very much, Alex so As Alex says, this is
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: the thirteenth edition of White Holl Monitor. This year's report
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: looks at how the Civil Service changed in twenty twenty five,
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: a year that was all about rewiring and recommendations for
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: twenty twenty six. I will start with a very brief
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: bit of context. Starmer had to deal with eleven has
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: had to deal with eleven resignations. That is the second
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: highest number of any recent Prime minister at this point
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: in their tenure. We have found that over half of
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: departments have a new permanent secretary in place since the
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: general election. The Civil service continued to grow in twenty
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: twenty five. You'll see that that growth is slightly slower
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: than in previous years, but we still saw an additional
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: five thousand or so people join in the last year.
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: When you look on a proportional basis, however, it is
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: the digital in data and the policy professions that continue
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: to grow the fastest. Both of those professions have overdoubled
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: since twenty sixteen, and they continue to grow the fastest
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: in twenty twenty five. The civil service also continues to
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: become more senior, and you can see just how much
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: the grade distribution has shifted here since twenty ten. Part
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: of that is down to automation, meaning that there are
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: fewer roles at the most junior grades. That pay restraint
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: hasn't gone away, but pay is recovering from quite deep
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: real terms cuts, particularly so at the junior grades. For
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: the senior civil service, real terms pay is still twenty
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: four percent below what it was in twenty ten. So
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: those recent rises we think will alleviate some of the
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: pressure to move roles and to seek promotion, but until
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: the way that pays actually structured has changed, those incentives
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: will still remain.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: On morale.
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: The latest data that we have is for twenty twenty four,
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: where we saw a very small uptick following three years
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: of consecutive decline.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: So there we are. Obviously that was little excerpts out
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: of what she actually commented upon, but what you've got
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: is a huge civil service which is now not really
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: under the control of the government, is under the control
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: of other agencies. The digital proportion of the civil service
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: greatly expanding, and then we are getting rid of, or
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: already lost, the lower paid jobs because AI is taking
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that over. And what this lady is giving you a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: look into is the workings of the civil service. And
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: later in the news we're going to be hearing the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: really nobody knows how this organization functions, but what we
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: can be sure of very powerful global corporate interests fully
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: embedded in the civil service, particularly in relation to this
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: digitalization and the creation of a digital based economy and country.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Never put forward in a manifesto, never talked about properly
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: on the floor of the House, never discussed in committees.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: But this is what's driving the government.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Not just rewiring, like a full on renovation of the architecture.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Absolutely government. It's complete restructuring with a pig with the
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: giant managerial elite managerial class on top of the AI.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: But no entry level or lower jobs. Those have been swallowed,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: already gone, They're gone by a Basil, Valentine, we just
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: have a minute left. But what's your reaction to what
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: you've just heard, Basil?
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: Well, no democratic oversight either, Who actually is in charge
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: of the civil service? From those numbers, it looks like
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: it's becoming increasingly top heavy, and that'll only that trend
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: will only increase because it's the mundane clerical work that
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: AI replaces so quickly and so efficiently. One forecast will
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: come on to this later shows up to forty percent
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: of entry level software jobs, for example, A set to
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: disappear with AI.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: No, it's absolutely extraordinary, and Brian, one of the big
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: paradigm shifts that we're going to see in society. And
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Basil also has been following the story and I absolutely
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: want to get his comment on this. Will bring this
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: up on screen at the moment here. Universal basic income
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: could be used to soft soften the hit from AI
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: job losses in the UK. Minister says, So this is
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Lord Stockwood opining here on this dystopian future that we
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: are basically facing right now. The UK could introduce UBI
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: universal basic income to protect workers and industries that are
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: being disrupted by AI, says Investment Minister Jason Stockwood. Here,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Undoubtedly we're going to have to think really carefully about
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: how we soft land those industries that go away. Industries
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: that go away, Brian, So they're really preparing here for
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: something I don't think people are ready for Morgan, Stanley
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: said UK was losing more jobs than it is creating
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: because of AI. So because of AI, we're in the negative.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: So what's their solution Pay people to stay at home?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, Create more AI and create more AI,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: and so who and who's going to pay for all that?
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Is that deficit spending? Basil. I want to get your
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: comments on this because this is something we've all talked
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: about the natural product of a roboticized AI driven economy
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: is going to be having to put millions of people
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: on universal basic income. Go ahead, Basil, Well, the.
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: Forecast is as many as eight million jobs could be
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: at risk from AI. But I think that's the low
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: end of the spectrum because well, we're already now used
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: to digital interfaces in McDonald's, now in Tesco's cafes as well.
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: You know staff cuts left, right and center. What do
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: we do with all these people? Well, the idea of UBI,
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: according to Lord Stockwood, is that it'll give an opportunity
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: for people to retrain, that they're not going to be
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: paid just to sit around and fester at home. But
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: is coercion therefore going to be involved and in which
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: case what difference is there between universal credit and universal
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: basic income. Universal basic income the universal suggests is that
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: everybody gets paid it, regardless of whether or not you
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: have anything worthwhile to do every day or not. But
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: it looks like they'll end up budging some sort of
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: glorified universal credit system and forcing training on people. Quite
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: what jobs people are going to retrain for. I'm not
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: sure if eight million jobs are going to be lost,
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: but what are we going to be all retrained to do?
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: Of course, the whole point of AI is its wealth creation,
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: so therefore why not tax the wealth that AI is
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: creating and redistributed to people who who've been put out
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: of work as a result. And then that loops back
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: to the argument about tech companies not being based in
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: the UK and they will take their business elsewhere, and
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: all the other so called roadblocks towards wealth taxes.
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: So it's a bit of a bind really.
• 32:59
  Speaker 9: The projected cost has been estimated to be as high
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: as two hundred billion pounds, or possibly as low as
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: fifty billion pounds, but whatever it is, it's a huge amount.
• 33:13
  Speaker 9: Rather amusingly, there is a trial scheme being run with
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: people being paid sixteen hundred pounds a month by the government,
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: and the idea is to find out how that affects
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: their lives. I think most people will say very positively.
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: If the government decided to give you sixteen hundred quid
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: a month, every month tax free, and then turn around
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: and say, oh, now, how's that impacted your life, I
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: think you likely say, well, been on holor don bought
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: some new clothes and a new TV.
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: I mean, what a stupid question.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: It's a puzzle. It sums it up. Everything that we
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: are seeing about the so called experts who are structuring
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: government is that their mindset is truly unbelievable. Unbelievable. They
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: are following through or no ideas and policies which don't
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: seem to have any basis of common sense attached to them.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: They're in a mindset where they're using the words and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: the phrases and this is what's going to happen. But
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: if you say, well, what does this actually do for
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the quality of people's life, it's like that's irrelevant. But
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: was it sixteen hundred pounds a month? That's probably pocket
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: money for the average MP. For is I don't know
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: what dog expenses.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Probably fruit and flowers and drinks tabs. But Brian, this
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: is the problem. It's not just rewiring government. They're not
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: telling you this. It's rewiring society. It's rewiring your relationship
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: with the state. This is a full overhaul of I
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: would say, I would even say Western civilization in the
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: modern sense that we have developed over the last two
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: hundred years. This is there's no public debate about this,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: there's no discussion, there's no forum and the a these
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: are This is fundamentally going to change the lives of
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the next how many generations.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Well, if they get their way, it will never change
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: because people would never be able to escape from the
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: pan optium.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Panopticon, panpt con. We'll get to that po Basil final comment,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: just we've got a couple of seconds left round this
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: out and I want to bring in the pal Andeer
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: graphic here, but go ahead, Basil.
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: Well, the irony of this universal basic income trial is
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: that one of the selected areas is Jarrow, from where,
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: of course, in nineteen thirty six there was the famous
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: Jarrow March, the unemployed marching all the way to all
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: the way to London demanding jobs. As Brian says, it
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: hasn't really been thought through at this point, but it's
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: part of as you both pointed out, really the world
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: of our parents, my parents, you know, the non digital
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: world that they lived in is fast disappearing. And there
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: are so many fronts now on which I think people
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: feel it, on which there's a kind of fundamental, fundamentally
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: different way that society is being steered, including redefining relationships
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: between the individual and the state, and the role of
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: artificial intelligence digital technology in that. I mean, my mother,
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: for example, never went online in her entire life. That
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: generation are dying out. Will it even be possible to
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: do that and live in society as an effective actor
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: in the future. Really, we should be able to.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: We should have that choice, at least at least in
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: a free country if we are indeed free. But bring
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: this up on screen here, this is a great presentation here.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Will give credit to the Nerve News here, but look
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: at this. These are the different government departments here connected
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: with Palenteer, the American based AI company. Here, Brian, look
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: at they're touching everything. Their Ministry of Defense three hundred
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: and eighty two million GHQ unknown NHS of course, and
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: DEFRAH Home Office. It's right there. So that's a US
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: company using probably Amazon web servers another US company to
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: host the blouderiod into.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: The UK with absolutely no accountability. The public are just
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: told it's happening, but we're not to know what's really
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: going on here. But one thing we can be sure
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: about is that the shareholders stripping all the wealth out
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: of UK to wherever that company chooses to be based
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: in order to escape the most taxes as possible.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And here's here's the grand Puba of this technocracy, Peter
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Thiel and look at this. I mean the numbers here
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: are just staggering. Brian, you would say this is basically
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: a corporate takeover of the British state. If you want
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: to look at this. They to decouple from this, it's impossible.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: It would take years. Once you are hooked up to
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: this system. It's very hard to migrate, pull back, to
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: pull back and migrate data. And we're told that is
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Pallenteer's business model. It's to get people stuck and hooked
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: into it. And that's basically a strategy for achieving long
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: term clients for this ever growing artificial intelligence. Leviathon, Yes,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: it's frightening here.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Not just aunt patry that in some of the Institute
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: of Government clips that I've listened to. They're calmly suggesting
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: that more committees should allow in corporate did intrust to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: sit alongside elected members in order to be making decisions.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: But for the public, absolutely no knowledge of who these
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: people are or a chain of accountability, well responsibility and accountability.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And also, these same tech barons, Brian areowing huge sums
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: of money into British politics. Do you think they want
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: something in return for that investment? They're funding podcasts, They're
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: funding political parties, spin off parties, events, all sorts of things.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: These are foreign actors with billions of pounds in capital
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and they can just throw it wherever they want. And
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: are they all throwing it and get the results? They want?
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Specific results, and I think that's the important bit vaso.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: We've got a short period left, but your thoughts on this, well.
• 39:32
  Speaker 9: This of course goes back to Margaret Thatcher and the
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: early days of privatization, local councils being forced to issue
• 39:41
  Speaker 9: tenders for rubbish collection.
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: That was one of the first things.
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: I mean, I can remember when rubbish collection was all
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: organized entirely by the local council. Then suddenly we had
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: private collectors contracting rubbish. This Palenteer business is where that
• 39:55
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• 40:00
  Speaker 9: by government departments to private companies, and in this case
• 40:04
  Speaker 9: now a private company heavily invested in AI, in digitization,
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: and what's more, operating across as we see so many
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: different government departments. I think it's absolutely abysmal. I think
• 40:18
  Speaker 9: it's anti democratic. I also think it's wasteful because parenteers
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: suck money out of the public pockets for their own benefaction,
• 40:28
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• 44:21
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• 44:32
  Speaker 1: based system through politics and the civil service. Now Telegraph
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Podcast interviewed Liz Truss and the last day I've just
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: taken a couple of clips. Please listen to what this
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: lady has to say.
• 44:48
  Speaker 15: But did that experience of trying to govern the country
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: a certain way and realizing you couldn't did that change
• 44:53
  Speaker 15: your philosophy of government?
• 44:54
  Speaker 11: It radicalized it? Right, I was already of the view
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: that the British state didn't work, and being a minister
• 45:04
  Speaker 11: for ten years, starting as a junior Minister in Education,
• 45:08
  Speaker 11: I was constantly battling officialdom and also other people in
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: the Conservative Party, and often it was difficult to distinguish
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: between officialdom and other people in the Conservative Party to
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: do the right thing. So I had huge fights over
• 45:22
  Speaker 11: education policy, huge fights over the trade deals that I
• 45:25
  Speaker 11: wanted to do, huge fights over environment policy. But I
• 45:32
  Speaker 11: still believed that the system could be reformed with a
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: few tweaks, and that the people more senior in a
• 45:43
  Speaker 11: hierarchy than me were simply too weak or too wet
• 45:49
  Speaker 11: to do what was needed. But when I got to
• 45:52
  Speaker 11: the top, I realized the sheer force of the administrative
• 45:58
  Speaker 11: state and the relatively powerless position the prime minister is
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: in now in modern Britain.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I believe that Liz trust has said some really really
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: important things there, because she's admitting she knew nothing when
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: she was in the system, but when she got to
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the top, she started to understand what was really happening,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: the immense power of the state. And then the next thing,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves who is controlling the state
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: and that immense power, and clearly it's not politicians. This
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: is where the funding that you've talked about pat comes
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: in and the immense wealth of the corporates who are
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: now fully embedded in the system of government itself. So
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: a big shock for Liz Trust. But at least she's
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: had the courage to actually admit that on camera. Now
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I've got another clip, but before we show that, Basil,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: if I can just bring you in, I don't know
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: whether you like to make any comment on the young
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: lady's efforts.
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: Well, it reminded me of Yes Minister and its success
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: a Yes Prime Minister. She sounded like the blonde haired
• 47:12
  Speaker 9: version of Jim Hacker, totally unable to effect any change
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: because of the monolithic civil service in that program, of course,
• 47:22
  Speaker 9: headed by Sir Humphrey. I mean it could have been
• 47:24
  Speaker 9: nifted straight out of that, couldn't it.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: It could have been. She ended by saying the state
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't work, and I think this is one of the
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: areas where she still doesn't understand. The state does work,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: but it's not supposed to do what the democratic system
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: it's it's not working for the democratic system, it's working
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: for its own ends. Let's have a look at part
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: two of the UK columns take on Liz Trust, Right.
• 47:53
  Speaker 11: So that did radicalize me.
• 47:55
  Speaker 15: Yes, So if you, as a reforming prime minister, said
• 47:57
  Speaker 15: you wanted to do something, what were the forces that
• 48:00
  Speaker 15: prevented you from doing it?
• 48:02
  Speaker 12: So let's take.
• 48:05
  Speaker 11: The example of what actually happened, which is I put
• 48:10
  Speaker 11: together a budget which I believed would reduce the deafort
• 48:15
  Speaker 11: to increase the country's growth, put Britain on a better path.
• 48:20
  Speaker 11: The counterfactual has been shown to have failed. You know,
• 48:24
  Speaker 11: the debt is worse, growth levels are worse, unemployments higher,
• 48:29
  Speaker 11: even indicators like guilts are worse than they were in
• 48:32
  Speaker 11: twenty twenty two. But what happened is when I put
• 48:35
  Speaker 11: that forward, the Bank of England, which are unelected, the
• 48:39
  Speaker 11: night before the mini budget, unbeknownst to me, announced the
• 48:42
  Speaker 11: sale of forty billion pounds worth of government guilts and
• 48:46
  Speaker 11: then in the days afterwards their failure to regulate the
• 48:51
  Speaker 11: pensions industry led to a market crisis. They blamed me
• 48:56
  Speaker 11: for it, and what I saw was the entire system
• 49:01
  Speaker 11: backed them rather than me. And when I say system,
• 49:04
  Speaker 11: I'm not just talking about the Treasury and the Office
• 49:07
  Speaker 11: of Budget Responsibility, which is part of it. I'm talking
• 49:10
  Speaker 11: about the senior voices in the media. I'm talking about
• 49:16
  Speaker 11: the establishment overall. See what I saw was in the
• 49:23
  Speaker 11: so called independent parts of government taking decisions that affect
• 49:28
  Speaker 11: people's lives and being utterly unaccountable for them.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: And I mean her revelations Brian aren't unlike Dominic cummings
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: revelations after he left Boris Johnson's cabinet. But Basil, what
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: do you think about this? She's insinuating that the head
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: of Lettuce rotted because the fridge wasn't working properly. What
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: did you glean from this?
• 49:51
  Speaker 9: I think the system works exactly as it's supposed to. Interesting,
• 49:56
  Speaker 9: she pointed out that senior voices in the media help
• 50:01
  Speaker 9: with the destruction of her premiership, because we're always supposed
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: to believe that the media has no power or is independent.
• 50:08
  Speaker 9: She does indicate that there seems to be a syndicate
• 50:10
  Speaker 9: effectively an alliance bank of England senior civil servants, other
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: senior politicians and media who put a straight jacket on
• 50:19
  Speaker 9: what any elected official can do.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Absolutely so, there's a lot. In her words, this is
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: why I say to the audience, so important that you
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: do give whoever it is the opportunity to speak to
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: hear what they have to say. Because these gems are
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: coming out the government democratic, of course not. Now let's
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: switch to Andy Burnham, and the reason that I'm going
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: to bring him up on screen is that he's been
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: involved recently with the Institute of Government as well, and
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: what is this big topic. Well, aside from everything to
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: do with mayors, we also found very quickly that he
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: was involved with Innovation Zero and I'm sure one day
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Ben Rubin will be taking a little look at this.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: But why do I need to highlight this to the audience. Well,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: this organization says its mission is to accelerate a just
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: global transition to a low carbon economy. We do this
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: by connecting innovators, funders, policy makers and business leaders from
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: across sectors and from all corners of the globe. So
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: this is well away from elected government. We do. This
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: is what we do. Let's have a listen to mister
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Burnham engaging with the Institute of Government. Andy to come
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 51:40
  Speaker 13: Some of Rowena's points where Streeting this morning has made
• 51:44
  Speaker 13: the argument that particularly perhaps those on the left shouldn't
• 51:48
  Speaker 13: argue that the states can't function, or that there's something
• 51:50
  Speaker 13: fundamentally wrong with the state. They should be sort of
• 51:53
  Speaker 13: active agents in leading the state through that I wanted
• 51:57
  Speaker 13: to get your reflections on that, but also thinking particularly
• 52:02
  Speaker 13: clearly you know and understand the civil service and the
• 52:04
  Speaker 13: structure of government for your time as a minister, but
• 52:06
  Speaker 13: particularly working with the government system that we have as
• 52:10
  Speaker 13: mayor of Manchester. What's your reflection on how things might
• 52:13
  Speaker 13: need to change.
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: Well, from my point of view, the state does need
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: to change. We're moving quickly now to an all devolved England.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: We have a Mayor's.
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: Council that is becoming increasingly functional. Mayors asked for powers
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: over taxi licensing. You know, we have Home Office abolishing
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: police and crime commissioners and integrating them with mayoral combined
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: authorities like I've had for almost a decade, and I
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: think that's the right reform. You then turn to growth,
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: the Growth Mission, specifically the ongoing resistance of the Department
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: for Education to devolve meaningfully post sixteen. Education is a
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: limitation on growth, not justified. I don't think for departments
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: still to be resisting devolution.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: So it's devolution and more devolution and growth. Now we've
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: edited what he said. We haven't taken anything out of context.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: It's just to give you the breadth of what he
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: talked about. But it's all about completely changing the structure
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: of government, more power for the mayors and the city states.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: And it's going to happen, He's sending you it's going
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: to happen. Never discussed on the floor of the House
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: in any detail, but Andy Burnham at least being honest
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: as he jerks around in the high tech digital age.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: That did make me smile slightly. But let's go on
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: and listen to the second part of what he had
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: to say, which we've ed edited into little clips to
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: get more context to what he's actually talking about in
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: the time available.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Devolution is the direction.
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: Devolution is bringing growth, not just here but in other
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: city regions as well. So what why are they allowed
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: just to make us fight endlessly? You know it's attritional.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: You know, we spend so much of our time making
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: the case for devolution to the parts of the system
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: that they don't want to and the answer. Let me
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: just finish on this point. See for me the word rewiring.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: You know, Rowena rightly asked for a definition. Rewiring relates
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: to the flow of power, doesn't it. It relates to
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: modernizing systems so that the flow of power is better
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: and in the right direction. And I would say, you know,
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: the unelected state Whitehall currently holds too much power and indeed,
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: in my experience of sixteen years in Westminster, the whip
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: system disempowers the elected state because often MPs are required
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: to rub a stamp the long held departmental positions and
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: it's a brave minister that kind of unil actually will
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: go and try and change what they can do, but
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: it's it doesn't often happen. I personally believe the answer
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: to this, to a more functional Britain is a major
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: reform of the elected state Westminster to mirror what's being
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: done now in the local state out in the world
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: that I'm in, which is about place based, mission oriented delivery,
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: very much focused around growth.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: So there you are, Andrew Burnham is actually telling the
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: truth that don't worry about Westminster. The power is all
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: going to be in the city states with the mayors.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: He and his colleagues will have the power, including over
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: the police, and there's going to be a complete restructuring.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about this whole affair and how it works
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: more in UK column Extra, but let's just remind our
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: audience of the power of this mayor system and these
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: super cities for global Parliament of Mayors is a good
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: place to go. And if you look at some of
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the media articles that they've put out over time, you
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: get a lot out of it. So in defense of democracy,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Europe needs an urban reset. Everything is going to be
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: broken down and changed. We might be using an American
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: city model, presumably with people intent sleeping on the streets
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: as Los Angeles. And we've got compassionate cities, apparently as
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: a compliment to declining welfare provisions, so you can't feed yourself,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: but don't worry the city. You'll have a sign saying
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: it's a compassionate.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Citys free coffee and business.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: And here we've got decide recharge democracy and human rights
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: in cities. And who's actually pushing this, well, it's the
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: European Union EU Charter explained. So this is about a
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: major major change in what we think is democracy and
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: how it works. And I'm just going to bring up
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: two very little clips here from Rodney Atkinson. Now Rodney
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: is very elderly, but he's been a campaigner over many
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: many years warning about the dangers of the European Union
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: and its organization. Let's just listen to what he has
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: to say.
• 57:20
  Speaker 16: And just as the domestic populations are attacked, marginalized and
• 57:29
  Speaker 16: their democratic systems undermined by corporatism at home, so that
• 57:35
  Speaker 16: corporatism extends itself through big corporations and banks into aggression abroad,
• 57:42
  Speaker 16: and in particular the advance of NATO and the European
• 57:46
  Speaker 16: Union towards the former Soviet bloc and the Russian border
• 57:51
  Speaker 16: over the last thirty years. So you see a direct
• 57:55
  Speaker 16: connection between domestic and international affairs, domestic suppression of dissent
• 58:05
  Speaker 16: in so called democratic countries on the one hand, and
• 58:09
  Speaker 16: the expansion of corporate internationalism and globalism on the other.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: So wonderful seat Rodney acts and still going very very
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: astute man, and we can still see that astute brain working.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Let's just look at this little twenty second clip where
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: he mentions the European Union.
• 58:31
  Speaker 16: The European Union is the sort of classic corporatist, bureaucratic, authoritarian,
• 58:40
  Speaker 16: centralized system which is inimical to all democracy and the
• 58:46
  Speaker 16: nation states which support democracy and loyalty to democratic institutions.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Well, there you are. And if you want to see
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: more about Rodney act, can send an historic work. Have
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: a look at the Free Nations website will just pop
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: that up on screen. And this gentleman has done so
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: much work over the years, and particularly exposing what he
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: describes as the resurgence of continental style fascism, which I
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: don't think is far from what we are seeing in
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Now, this is the point for the
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: audience to remember that all of these plans of the
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: so called rules based international order are coming from unelected
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: men and women planning what's clearly a dystopian future. And
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: beyonder no illusions. It's here with the United Nation. Sorry,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: it's here with global Parliament of Mayors writing to the
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: United Nations. And what are they actually calling for? The
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: formalized participation of cities in international decision making process. So
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: forget Westminster. It's going to be the mayor of your
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: local city that's not only going to be sorting your future,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: but supposedly, with his colleagues, the future of the country.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: It's just incredible.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Which will future be, Brian. The Corporation of Manchester, like
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: the Corporation of London, like the Corporation of Plymouth, is
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: the corporatization of the city state. Absolutely, and that's where
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: it's going. Transnational in nature.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: And of course, if you're going to have this type
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: of control, you have to control every individual, you're going
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: to need a police state that is beyond anything we
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: can imagine at the moment.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: And what does Britain need, Brian, but another police force,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: another layer of policing. Let's take a look at this
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: how the British FBI will work. Did you hear about this, folks, Well,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: yes it's happening, the National Police Service, the British FBI.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: We're told it's going to target terrorism, fraud, organized crime.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: I thought that's what the National Crime Agency was supposed
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: to be doing a few years ago. Another new agency,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: But no, we need another new agency here, the British FBI.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: The NPS will only operate in England, Wales as is
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: devolved as policing is devolved in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Here and here the NPS will bring together responsibilities of
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: the National Crime Agency, counter terrorism policing, regional regional city
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  Speaker 2: regional organized crime units, national road policing and will be
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  Speaker 2: in charge of providing professional standards and training requirements, purchasing
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  Speaker 2: new equipments, etc. Kind of like the Department of Homeland Security.
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  Speaker 2: In this in that sense in America, which is a
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  Speaker 2: giant gravy train. Now, but here's the bit at the end,
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  Speaker 2: Brian I thought was the most interesting. Their job includes
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  Speaker 2: the overseeing of the nationwide rollout of the controversial facial
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  Speaker 2: recognition software, which we'll we'll talk to Basil Valentine in
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  Speaker 2: a moment, but before we do that, watch this clip.
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  Speaker 2: This is silky Carla is bringing a case against the
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  Speaker 2: state on this very issue of facial recognition. Listen closely.
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  Speaker 17: How could anyone not get a massive chill down the
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  Speaker 17: spine when they read smartament Mood's comments the weekend that
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  Speaker 17: she envisages a panopticon. The structure was. The idea of
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  Speaker 17: a panopticon is that you could bend them right. It's
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  Speaker 17: Bentham the idea of self policing prison through total surveillance
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  Speaker 17: as the model for Great Britain. And as part of
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  Speaker 17: that that she envisages ramping up facial recognition up and
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  Speaker 17: down the country five times as many facial recognition cameras
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  Speaker 17: up and down the country. Today I was in the
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  Speaker 17: High Court challenging the Metropolitan Police's use of life facial recognition,
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  Speaker 17: which I think is expansive and not in accordance with
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  Speaker 17: the law. But this is really an issue for the
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  Speaker 17: course consider but ultimately it's an issue for Parliament.
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  Speaker 2: My goodness, are we're going to get a debate on
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  Speaker 2: the floor of the House of Carmens on this issue
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  Speaker 2: highly unlikelaim.
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  Speaker 1: The policy is already set Patrick, I mean it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's obvious and overwhelming now that the control of the
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  Speaker 1: political agenda in this country is through the corporates, and
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  Speaker 1: of course it's has the power of the banks behind
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  Speaker 1: it because you need the money to run the system.
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  Speaker 1: So the idea there's any form of meaningful debate I
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  Speaker 1: think is well passed.
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  Speaker 2: Basil Valentine. I want to get your comment on this
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  Speaker 2: and last story of the program. But the Home Secretary
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  Speaker 2: Shabana Mahmoud, I don't recall her having a background in
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  Speaker 2: constructing panopticons. If we're looking at her, resume what she
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  Speaker 2: did previously. What is this going on here and why
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  Speaker 2: are we always presented with these heads of ministerial departments.
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  Speaker 2: They're bringing these sweeping changes and then suddenly they're rotated
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  Speaker 2: out after the policy has put in place and given
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  Speaker 2: up peerage or a knighthood. What are your just general
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  Speaker 2: thoughts on this new police force basil and this whole
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  Speaker 2: idea that we need to construct a panopticon in Britain.
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  Speaker 9: Well it wasn't in the Labor Party manifesto at the
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  Speaker 9: last general election. I can tell you that much one
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  Speaker 9: hundred and forty pounds being invested. The claim is that
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  Speaker 9: it will save six million police hours and that those
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  Speaker 9: hours we will be redeployed to the streets. The AI technology,
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  Speaker 9: which is where the money is going, is going to
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  Speaker 9: be deployed to rapidly analyze CCTV, mobile phone footage and
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  Speaker 9: doorbell footage, detecting deep fakes, carrying out digital forensics, and
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  Speaker 9: order to speed up administration such as form filling, redaction
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  Speaker 9: and transcription.
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  Speaker 8: The claim is that.
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  Speaker 9: The forty three regional police forces around the UK are
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  Speaker 9: no longer fit for purpose and as we've been talking about,
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  Speaker 9: we need this centralized digitized system now on One or
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  Speaker 9: two of the smaller police forces have already been rolling out.
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  Speaker 8: Pilot schemes for this.
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  Speaker 9: And the UK's Home Office Procurement Agency blue Light Commercial
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  Speaker 9: for views who didn't know, that's the body of the
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  Speaker 9: Post Office charged with subcontracting to private companies, and they've
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  Speaker 9: confirmed that the Israeli based firm core Sight AI have
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  Speaker 9: been subcontracted by the subcontractor Digital Barriers to provide the
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  Speaker 9: artificial intelligence powered facial recognition software so we can look forward.
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  Speaker 9: You know when we people chanted rallies, we are all Palestinians.
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  Speaker 9: Perhaps they know why now because amongst the people listed
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  Speaker 9: as being on the board of core Site is Major
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  Speaker 9: General Jura Eland who he is said to have given
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  Speaker 9: his name to the so called General's plan to isolate
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  Speaker 9: and starve northern Gaza in October twenty twenty four. That's
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  Speaker 9: who's going to be powering the AI facial recognition software.
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  Speaker 9: We can talk more about that after the.
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  Speaker 2: Road tested in Gaza. Brian once again deployed on your
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  Speaker 2: streets in Europe, in Britain. It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: You can say it's hidden in plain sight now or
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  Speaker 1: it's emerging into the light, but it's becoming very very
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  Speaker 1: clear that the population of UK as a whole is
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  Speaker 1: being disenfranchised from its own system of government and that
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  Speaker 1: ultimately threatens everybody living in this country, no matter what
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  Speaker 1: color you are, what religion, how long you've been here.
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  Speaker 1: Because this is a malicious system unfolding. We must end
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  Speaker 1: today's news. There, Basil, I'm going to say thank you
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  Speaker 1: very much for joining me. Patrick, thank you. We will
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