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EP174 - The Hunger Games · Thirsty For More - Movie Review

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Hungry for More. I have course,
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Malenko.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Alex and I'm Ana.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, guys, we have on a divisive guest podcasts. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: who hates me? Nobody hates you. I'm just not sure
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  Speaker 1: everybody hates.
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  Speaker 2: Great.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll have to just prove them wrong, won't we.
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  Speaker 1: Do you do you get? Do you get a third
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: host status?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I to be honest, do not care.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just happy to be here and talk about this movie.
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  Speaker 2: I know you don't care. That's why I told you that.
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  Speaker 1: Are you happy to be here and talk about two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and twelves Hunger Games? Are you happy to talk
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  Speaker 1: about twenty twelves?
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  Speaker 2: You're specifically happy to talk about twenty and twelve Hunger Games.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's get into this a bit for a second.
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  Speaker 1: This is not a new movie to me. This is
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  Speaker 1: a plane movie for me. Yeah. I watched this movie
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  Speaker 1: on a plane a few years ago and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: huh is pretty good?
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  Speaker 3: Like, you know, it was kind of really like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 3: I'm crying because I fly.
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  Speaker 1: Oh totally totally, not only because I'm flying, because I
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  Speaker 1: was also crying today. But I watched this movie on
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  Speaker 1: a plane. I was like, oh okay, and then like,
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  Speaker 1: because you are kind of my barometer for like what's
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  Speaker 1: good a lot of the time for movies, I was
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  Speaker 1: just like, hey, you know about Hunger Games, and you're like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen it.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It was pretty good and you're like oh okay, and
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  Speaker 1: then Anna like recently, do you want to tell it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I was I think sick for like three times
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  Speaker 2: in the last three months, different versions of I Guess,
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  Speaker 2: COVID and shit, and I was I guess. I was
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  Speaker 2: so bored out of my mind and it was just
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  Speaker 2: available on Netflix. I remember when this movie came out,
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  Speaker 2: so twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 1: I was before we met.
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  Speaker 2: It was a year before we met. I was still
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  Speaker 2: living in Serbia, and I remember seeing a trailer for
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  Speaker 2: it and was like, stupid fucking Americans. Now they're like
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  Speaker 2: making movies about like children killing each other for a game.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, they're so like predicting their own
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  Speaker 2: demise and it was like something I was really really
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  Speaker 2: not interested. It was like ugh, you know that kind
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  Speaker 2: of feeling. And then I was sick like a month. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: I've been living in Canada for like seven years, so
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  Speaker 2: I have become a liberal of how you like. I
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  Speaker 2: watched so many realities, Like you know, Rubaul's drag Race
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  Speaker 2: is my lifeline. I'm indoctrinated so hard.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of which, this movie.
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  Speaker 4: And remember, you can't love yourself on the hang I
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  Speaker 4: love somebody else?
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  Speaker 2: Can I get an amen up in here?
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  Speaker 1: Two queens?
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  Speaker 2: The parallels are great.
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  Speaker 1: The parallels are great, and we'll talk about them. And
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  Speaker 1: so that's your relationship with the Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I watched it when I was sick. I watch
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  Speaker 2: I watched the movie. I loved it so much. I
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  Speaker 2: watched all the other ones, I think the same night
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  Speaker 2: or the day after, and I was obsessed and it
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  Speaker 2: was like, you know that thing where it hits just
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  Speaker 2: right where it needs to, and you want just to
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  Speaker 2: live in it. You want it to be more of
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  Speaker 2: it you wanted to or you want to you're thirsty
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  Speaker 2: for more, thirsty for me. I know exactly what you mean.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we have a whole podcast. Yeah, so, I
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  Speaker 2: was like so excited that for you to see it,
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  Speaker 2: and now for Alex to see it for the first time. Man,
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  Speaker 2: for us to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so and like I had watched I had
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  Speaker 1: watched the first and second one, both on planes, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, perfect a sequel. I've seen the
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  Speaker 1: first time this other plane ride watched the second one.
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  Speaker 1: And this was all independent of Anna, like I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: even talked to her about it. Yeah, and then I
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  Speaker 1: went to and then I was like, oh, let's like
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  Speaker 1: because I hadn't seen the third one, and and then
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  Speaker 1: we most recently went to the theaters to watch the
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  Speaker 1: fourth one. So this is all it's.
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  Speaker 2: There's no fifth one.
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  Speaker 3: No, okay, so it's four.
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  Speaker 1: Well, is one of them broken up into two bits?
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  Speaker 1: The futured one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, the real reason why I why I watched it
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  Speaker 2: while I was sick is because I saw a trailer
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  Speaker 2: in the theater while watching Barbie for the new Hunger
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  Speaker 2: Games and I was like, oh, visually, this looks stunning,
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  Speaker 2: like look at this costumes and I was like what
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  Speaker 2: is this? And I was like, oh, Hunger Games that
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  Speaker 2: that shipped from like a decade ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, okay, so now getting to Alex, because
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  Speaker 1: this is what like, this is like what I'm really
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  Speaker 1: interested in. I'm you know, putting a lot on the
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  Speaker 1: line here, Dude, I this is me introducing you to
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  Speaker 1: something excitedly and hoping that you'll be thirsty for war.
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  Speaker 1: And now are you I'm wondering if no, no, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: we don't need to know yet. But I'm excited to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you about this movie because something that is
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  Speaker 1: really cool about this movie is, yes, it can stand alone,
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  Speaker 1: and yes it's powerful enough to do that on its own, Laurels,
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  Speaker 1: but it's so thirsty for lore, dude, Like, the lore
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  Speaker 1: of this movie is kind of gonna be hard for
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  Speaker 1: Anna and I not to talk about because so much
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  Speaker 1: of it interconnects in such an amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Way, like all the movies you mean, yeah, yeah, So.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna have to be a bit of like a
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  Speaker 1: saw watching for me, Like you might get slight reveals,
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  Speaker 1: but we will try not to ruin.
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  Speaker 3: That's okay, We'll try to, Like, I mean, the franchise
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  Speaker 3: is ten years old, it's not it's not a big deal.
• 5:58
  Speaker 3: How how I got sort of the part of the
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: reason I didn't watch this movie was actually because like
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  Speaker 3: it's funny, because it's almost the opposite of what what
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  Speaker 3: Anna had. Because Ana like was like like like stupid Americans,
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  Speaker 3: And for me, it was the same thing, stupid Americans,
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  Speaker 3: except there's a movie called.
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  Speaker 2: Oh fuck, Oh is it the one that's similar to
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: the Squid Game. It's like a Japanese movie with the
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  Speaker 2: kids in the exactly exactly recently talked to me about. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what is it called again? Forgot? It's famous? People love
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  Speaker 2: that movie. Oh yeah, it's like the American version of that.
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: How do we not know the name of that? It's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I'm so famous.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna find out and then we're going to
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  Speaker 2: edit it so that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh Battle Royale.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So so initially I actually recently bought it too on
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  Speaker 3: four K. But initially the reason I didn't see this
• 6:55
  Speaker 3: movie was because of the fact that I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's just like it felt like a little bit like
• 7:03
  Speaker 3: like like a toothless version of that, because it was like, oh,
• 7:07
  Speaker 3: it's a y a novel.
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: It's gonna pander a young adult novel.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, young adult novel, and and you know what, like
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  Speaker 3: I will say, I don't know like if you want
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  Speaker 3: me to tell you like how I felt.
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  Speaker 2: About it now or or or after.
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  Speaker 3: But like like it's that wasn't a problem for the movie.
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  Speaker 3: They did a really they did actually a really good
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  Speaker 3: job at at like having most of the violence be
• 7:34
  Speaker 3: like pretty like oh okay, like this is like.
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  Speaker 2: They've went hard on the PG thirteen. Yeah, they leaned
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  Speaker 2: into the thirteen and I was like pleasantly surprised.
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  Speaker 3: There were some like hiccups that I was like a
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  Speaker 3: little bit like I don't know, but like.
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  Speaker 1: Wonder how you'll feel once you know more of the Lord.
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing, Like, like I wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: Too a lot is explained. I wasn't too like Saw explained.
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  Speaker 3: I Like, I was like I was engaged for for
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  Speaker 3: a lot of it, and actually for all of it,
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  Speaker 3: I was engaged. There were a few things where I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I don't know, I don't know if I
• 8:15
  Speaker 3: buy this. But but but in terms of catness, her
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: relationship with her sister starting out, are we doing it?
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  Speaker 2: We have to do the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, it's going to be you don't know how
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  Speaker 1: important this is going to be yet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no worries, no worse.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So like her being like sort of in this
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  Speaker 3: like I don't know why when I was younger, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't buy the sort of like I live in a
• 8:46
  Speaker 3: home outside of town and I have to put my
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: you know, like where it's like, oh, I have to
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  Speaker 3: dry my clothes on a clothesline type thing.
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  Speaker 2: But now that I see the future of America. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like that, Wait, so you were not you did.
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  Speaker 4: Not know before it made you think of It just
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  Speaker 4: made me think of, like, you know, how skeptical you
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  Speaker 4: were of these things, but now how it feels more
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  Speaker 4: within reach.
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  Speaker 3: Within reach totally. And she did what's her name, Uhla? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Jayla did a really really good job. They said, law
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  Speaker 3: is like, oh my god, she does a really good job.
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  Speaker 3: She faced Liam Hemsworth.
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: You mean, please call him by his name, Cock Helmsworth.
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  Speaker 3: He was pretty good. But he didn't have anything to
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  Speaker 3: do in the movie, which is fine, which is fine.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know he did know, please dude, he
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  Speaker 2: did get extremely caught. He definitely cooked.
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  Speaker 3: After he cooks catnus with the deer that she was
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: gonna get and then didn't.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: Get a cooking. That's just he just fucked her over.
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: That's just a dick. But yeah, and you know what,
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: like there's a lot of a really.
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  Speaker 3: Good interesting stuff right at the beginning, even when Blue haired,
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: Stanley Tucci, Wig Tucci is introduced. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: parallels to other movies that we've covered to Running Man
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  Speaker 3: is one of them. Uh yeah, I mean Battle Royale
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  Speaker 3: we could cover if that would be sick. It's still
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of a better version of this movie,
• 10:39
  Speaker 3: but it's such.
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: An American version of it. It's so perfect. It is
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  Speaker 2: it is.
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed Elizabeth Banks's performance, and.
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: I was and I were talking so much about how
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: I feel like Elizabeth banks Is character of s Sorry
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: Fie is totally based on on Priscilla. It reminded me
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: of Guy Peers in Priscilla.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, iconic makeup, hair, everything is iconic
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: when it comes to style, and I feel like it
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  Speaker 2: influenced I mean, I don't even know if, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: if drag race is influencing reality or reality is influencing
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: drag race, or who is influencing who? But the fucking
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: fashion fashion Senna is so hard, like it's Senna, my god,
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: lenkra Lenny Kravitz, actually Lenny.
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: First, it was like, I wonder how Lenny's gonna do
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  Speaker 3: amazing job. He was really good and I didn't realize
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: how big his head is just a he looks like
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: handsome squid. W How big dick is? I mean, yeah,
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: we all saw the infamous video where.
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  Speaker 1: No it's not just it's his pants tear open right
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  Speaker 1: where his dick is and his dick likel like it
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  Speaker 1: kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Goes like.
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  Speaker 3: And then a cat just gets the little pendant the
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  Speaker 3: mocking bird, ah, the mocking Jay mocking Jay, which is
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: great because it sets up the stuff later on in
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  Speaker 3: the movie with the with the mocking Jays.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: Music is very important in this, in this, in these movies,
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: it's very very important.
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: And weird hostility the mom has, yeah, I mean.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: Weird, Like I would just say this movie is like
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: because it's based on books, right, It's like the storytelling
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: is perfect, Like everything makes sense, everything is put together,
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: everything connects to everything in Sacha, Like the world building
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  Speaker 2: is so on point that I think that's the biggest
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: thing that amazes me about this movie, apart from it,
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: you know, being generally like amazing to watch and you
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  Speaker 2: know all of it. The world building is so good
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  Speaker 2: that it really pulls you in, like you're really there.
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  Speaker 2: You know who these people are, you know their relationships,
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: and I feel like in the beginning, like it's first
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: three minutes, we get who Ketnus is. You know, she's
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: an older sister stuck in a situation having to take
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  Speaker 2: care of her little sister who is like powerless and small,
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  Speaker 2: so she's a protector. Her mom is catatonic because they
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  Speaker 2: lost their dad. She doesn't know what to do, so
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: she had to be a parent, step into a role.
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  Speaker 2: She resentful of her mother who is dead eyed, and
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  Speaker 2: also like tective and loves her sister who she cares
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  Speaker 2: for by hunting. So she's a provider of the family.
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  Speaker 1: And we're slowly finding out a little bit about the districts,
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  Speaker 1: so it's mentioned that it's like District twelve. We later
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  Speaker 1: learned that District twelve is a fuel district. Like they're miners,
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: they're coal miners. They basically help run the capital, which
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  Speaker 1: will later learn about this whole larger world. But that's
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: what I was curious with, you know, like, yes, Battle
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  Speaker 1: Royale is probably a better version than this movie. But
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  Speaker 1: this is why I feel like leaning into the kind
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  Speaker 1: of ya aspect of this movie and the lore, and
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  Speaker 1: like that's the kind of exciting part because if we
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: saw this as kids, dude, Like yeah, And honestly, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like it's Pantheon to me, like at this point, Yeah,
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: the difference between Pantheon, it's something like Battle Royal, Like
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  Speaker 1: Battle Yal is very self contained, whereas this is like
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  Speaker 1: spanning time.
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  Speaker 3: We're spanning time together. Yeah, we're spanning. We're not kissing,
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: We're spanning.
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  Speaker 1: You're not sold yet, I can see you're not.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not sold yet sold. And I also feel that
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  Speaker 2: that's good because now because I did one, two, three,
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  Speaker 2: four and then one, I can see how this movie
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: is just like it's so small in a way. It's
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: so small, you know what.
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  Speaker 3: And I will say that I very much appreciated the
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: size of the movie given that, like it's pretty, it
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  Speaker 3: does a lot has to go, it has places to go,
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  Speaker 3: but also it does segment off what it's showing the
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  Speaker 3: audience in terms of scope, and like tries to make
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  Speaker 3: it does a good job at making it an intimate
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  Speaker 3: story for the audience to like build a relationship with
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  Speaker 3: this one character because it's so what. My hesitancy isn't
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: necessarily because I'm like, nah, fuck this movie. Myency with
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: the first one now that I've seen it, man, like
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: I was really really worried that this chick is like
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: really good at shit right away, like where is this
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: gonna go in terms of Mary Sue, like not like
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  Speaker 3: making her just able to be awesome at everything. And
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: they do a really nice job at being like, no,
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: she's hyper competent at this thing. But then once they
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  Speaker 3: start introducing the element of like you have.
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  Speaker 2: To sell yourself, you know, it's so good. I was
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: just gonna say, I feel like just this is a
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  Speaker 2: comment on Alex's thing. The thing that I also appreciate
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  Speaker 2: really about the movie is like she's so vulnerable, like
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  Speaker 2: she's so scared and small and vulnerable, and it identify
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  Speaker 2: with her so hard. She literally doesn't know what's happening,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like it's a good it's she sells it
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  Speaker 2: so hard.
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  Speaker 3: And the panic, the panic of her and well, let
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: me pause for a second. When when you get Leah
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: not Liam, is it Liam hems?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Cut hems works When when they start talking about the
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: chances of them going, that I found was like really nice,
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  Speaker 3: nicely done because it's like, oh, man, like you have
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  Speaker 3: to she has good, very good motive motivation to stay,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: but she has very good motivation to like not replace
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  Speaker 3: her sister as well, which was really great and also
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: reveals a lot of very quickly, a lot of the
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: steaks that are are presented in the movie, which and you.
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  Speaker 1: Get these small lines too, where it's like you've been
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  Speaker 1: entered only one time, so you get like these small
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  Speaker 1: reveals about the lore that you're You're not really sure
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  Speaker 1: what it means, but it kind of like as more
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: gets revealed to you, you start realizing, oh, you're as
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: a candidate for the Hunger Games. You're supposed to be
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: a child number one. It's split up into boys and girls.
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  Speaker 1: And when you get called based on how many points
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  Speaker 1: you have, and you get points based on like how
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: many times you've begged for food or like gotten food
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  Speaker 1: from from the guards. Like there's like a system to
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: it that's kind of meant to be, like this tiered
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  Speaker 1: punishment system, ye, right, for sure, Like the lowest of
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the low get the worst treatments.
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  Speaker 2: District twelve. Yeah, I mean it's such a simple metaphor
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  Speaker 2: of the society, and I feel like it's in the
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: way that it's the world building. It's so great, Like
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: you have the capital, it's it's called Panham, like the
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: PanAm is Pan American. Like that's what it is. Like
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: nobody's trying to tug recode anything. It's like the first world,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the second world, the third world. And it's you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: the American fears of like doing the war and like
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: you know, Afghanistan, Iraq whatever just to get the resources,
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  Speaker 2: and the fear of the capital who is all about
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: the games and the fun and the movies.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: It's also like the suppression of civil disobedience, right, it's
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: about controlling the population.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and also like a show and violence and
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: you know and whole the game.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the games.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: And I think it's what they do, which I really like,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: is like it kind of exposes the thing that we
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: all know, which is that the American kind of version
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: of capitalism is so ingenious in the way that it
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: like gives you the entertainment. Like the entertainment part of
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: it is like unimagine you know, I would say, like
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: not to say like Russia's were great, Like don't like
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: even Yugoslavia, Like you know, the the mead the way
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the media would like kind of work through ideology and
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: system and fears and hopes what you can get which
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: you can't get you know they would do it a
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: good job. But Americans, I would say they're fucking experts
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: in it. I mean the Yugoslavia, you know what I mean,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Ugo and the stopped anyway, I don't think we did
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the recap. So the is very simple. In this imaginary world.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: There is a capital and twelve districts. There used to
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: be thirteen, but for the last seventy five years. Oh,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: there was an uprising seventy five years ago, and as
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: a punishment for the uprising, they've established hunger Games, which
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: are played out once a year. Every district gives one
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: girl and momboy yes to fight in the arena.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Obviously still hearing very strict gender guideline.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, what are on MBA's doing. I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: in the force to choose, their force to choose.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but that's that's kind of what it's also saying.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: And like in the capital you're allowed to be queer,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: which is interesting. Are you allowed to like express the loudness?
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, of course yeah, because they're the.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: West. Yeah. And also it's like the closer you are,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the closer your district is for the capital, the more
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: privileged power you have and resources you have. So for example,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the the what did they call them? Not trainees, not
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the contestants, not the contestants, the tender two queens stand
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: before me. What is it they give up? The ones
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: that give them. It's something on tea, the tenors. The
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: tribute anyway.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Tributes the residents of the twelve districts of PanAm who
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: are forced slash volunteered to participate in an annual Hugger Games,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: except in special cases such as Cortquaills. Yeah, okay, yeah,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: they're chosen tributes. Yeah, twenty four children between the ages
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: of twelve and eighteen are chosen at random.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: We get the first sort of appearance of Elizabeth Banks
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: and the contrast between what she's wearing and this like
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: these like a dumpy, sad.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Gray everything thing, and like also the grain of how
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: they're shot and how they're shot that there's a lot
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: of like close ups and there's a lot of like
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: very it feels almost like documentary footage of just like
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: these people's lives. They really want us to feel how
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: these people live.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, for sure. What I've read which is really
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: interesting is that the names of people in the Capitol
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: are mostly old Greek names like like you know what
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, like antiquated, yeah, like like you know, like
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: you know, and the names of people from the districts
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: are just names of like plants or like animals or
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: like resources, right, like yeah, these are exactly like Yugo.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: There was that's a name name in Serbia like the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: old Zugoslavia names not anymore, but but there was like
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: workers' names.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Right, like you know, like there were names that were
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: celebrating peace, and there were names celebrating work.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you work my name?
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Did you know my name means to work?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Did you know my name means the dracula?
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: But then as she pulls out the Elizabeth Banks goes
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: to pull out the names, she pulls out Primrose, the
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: sister of Catness.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, so like and the relationship between the two of
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: them is like she's Primrose is set up as being
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: like she's very weak, she can handle she can't handle anything,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and she's young too, and like they make her vulnerability
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: seem almost like it's almost like a maguffin in this movie,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Like it's almost like, no, she can't do.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I know, everybody not that one. I mean. It also
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: sets up the like the meta premise of the movie
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: of who's weak and who is strong, and who's who's
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: who is to be protected dead at who is to
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: be saved?
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Because you know how people who look like Primrose Fair
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: in the Hunger Games. Later it's revealed to you see
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you know, like they get literally their heads bashed right away,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, man, the stuff that's done. And it's I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: think really interesting that they used children because like these
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: sort of wars are kind of really fought through children.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Like children are always the things that are mentioned. They're
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: always the things that are the most holy, They're always
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: and they're not always weaponized.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Children are like like all that, all that absolutely one
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: hundred percent. But also the people that you the people
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: that they send are kids. Eighteen is like very young.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Well that's the only people that they can get to,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you know, like they need to be old enough to
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: be an adult and to make an adult that why
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: do you think on an age of consent and adulthood
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: is chosen. It's chosen so that you can go to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: war and die. That's one of the main things at eighteen.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Why are you a adult?
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: At eighteen?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: At which point can you cortex is developed?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Point can you die for your country. Yeah, it's true,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: it's true, but it's also set up as this like
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: you know, like entry into adulthood, which is like you
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: learn how the world is, the.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: World the world is, and speaking how the world is
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: the chicken panic that Catness has when she's like.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I volunteers, tribute, tribute, so good, so quiet, no like
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: no music, no nothing.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: And then like those wides of everyone coming and taking
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: her away, there's a mom image who is just like expressionless.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Her mom has also dead eyed, like.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Really, you also get a lot of reveal of the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: motivation for Catness being very capable, because it's like she
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: has had to because her mom like totally just like
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: left them to like she kind of left them try
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: and try after the dad was killed in the coal mine.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: So it's just like she's like she's so resentful. Like
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: in the moment after after she is picked, like after
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: she volunteered, they give her like five minutes to see
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: her family and her sister comes gives her the pin,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: which becomes the symbol of everything. It becomes the symbol
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: of revolution, not to spoil anything, and her mother comes
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: in and she tells her mother, don't you fucking cry?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: You do not get to be catatonic, don't cry. You've
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: got to stay away. You can't do what you did
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: last time. You got to make her, you know, you
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: gotta provide. And the moms like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: we all know she's not gonna but we all know
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: they go home and she's got but we all know that, Yeah,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the cuck Hamsworth's going to be like.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Something that was, well, she cocks Hemsworth in order to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: in order to get him to like continue feeding the family,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: because she's like, you gotta he gotta do everything you
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: can here. My mom is not going to do it.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Something that was. I think that was really interesting and
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I gotta be honest, Like, for me, the most interesting
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: characters were all the the side characters, the neo liberals
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: of course, but what's her name? Elizabeth Hemsworth? What's her name?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: In the movie? Who is who's just like the constant
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: married to her as well?
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Not just Miley Cyrus Flowers, Flowers.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It's a good song he got he got by.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Miley too, But yeah, like, uh, Elizabeth Banks, the like
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: calculations that they're all doing constantly. Wes Bentley also in
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: the movie, who played was he He was the bag
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: floating in the air. It's American beauty. Oh twisted beard,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: the twisty beard. Yeah, just like the constant level of
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: promotionality and thinking of it in promotions our very first volunteer,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: you know, just the branding, the branding aspect.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And you know what, that's actually really interesting that you
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: mentioned that, because the branding kind of codifies itself into
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: lore because it's almost becoming kind of self fulfilling. Is
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: like every single aspect that happens to her becomes a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: detail that becomes important. Yeah, totally slowly becoming a legend.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's so interesting because yeah, that's exactly what
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: they're doing with the game. It's like, oh, you're giving
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: It's like the American dream, right, like everyone can become something.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: You will be wanted, a million that will go from
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: poor to riches. Like the the idea, the hope. The
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: concept is so important. But as our big president Snow says,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: little hope is good.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna contain it exactly exactly, which I love
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: that line. And then obviously the three finger nationalistic. No
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I'm kidding, I I was thinking too, but like the
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: it's interesting because.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Like, yes, you say nationalistic.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: And obviously yeah, yeah, but there's.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: A kind of there's a showing of solidarity that can
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: be also like taken as like a work.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: I just thought it was.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is funny that three fingers it is.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: It is boys funny, and it's not that. Yeah, but
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: the solidary they have their own fucking legends and symbols
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and the solidarity is coming. We all have our own symbol.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: It's something that they, you know, that the machinery, the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: system likes to play with, but it is also scared of. Yeah,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: very well presented, like and then we're introduced to Peta.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, Peta. I hate his name. Who hates
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: his name? I hate his name too. It's just like,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: here's the thing.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: You know. I was like, I just imagined that that
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: lady from from calling her husband, Like you can't imagine
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: it differently. But I googled it and I was like,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: why the fuck is his name Peter? Like I was
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: so upset with it that I googled it. Yes, apparently
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: it's because Peter is like a repeta, you know, like
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: a bread and he's a baker and his family is
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: a family of bakers. Baker, he's literally a peta answer,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: getting my uh like Godfather reference.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Here, here's here's the thing I loved.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I will grow one day to really love people. I'm
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: sure I will. How much do you like that they've
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: made that guy the main like that guy the Bager?
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Like it just felt a little bit like I love it.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: It's it's like it's amazing, don't you don't know? I
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: don't like. I don't think I'm going ahead now, but
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: what can we do? I think it was on purpose.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: He's so anti charismatic. He's ugly, he's weird looking.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: The weird I thought the exact same thing. The blonde.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, why is he just making your too blonde?
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Stay here and baby, get out of here? The both
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: of you, like, it's just you're right. But the anti
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: charisma is the big thing for me, where it's like,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: this guy is gonna try and woo this chick when
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: she's got Cook Hemsworth over there.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Can I speak on this because that this is exactly
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: the reason why I like they chose him, because she's
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: not into him at all. She's into Keemsword, who is handsome,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: has brown hair, green eyes, all of that, knows how
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: to hunt knows how to make her laugh. The thing
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: that made him a love interest is their trauma bonded
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: and in two occasions which are which are pivotal to
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: her sense of identity and self.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: You're right and and that's like, as the movie went
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: on at the end of the movie, because they're like
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: they're so nicely hostile towards each other, because it's like
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: like what she like pushes them. She's like, can you
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: fucking tell me you love me? And like I love that.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's socially his motivations. But I think I don't
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: know if it was shown at this point, it probably wasn't.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Should I mention the trauma, her trauma with him? I
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: feel like we can since we're talking about their relationship.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I think there's the reason why she doesn't care about him,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: never looks at him, and is kind of ignoring him,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: is because and they showed this in such a lovely
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: little snippets of her memories, especially when she's hallucinating and
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: she's like that is that in a moment when I
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: guess when her father died and her mom was catatonic,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: she was hungry, she was literally starving her and her
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: sister was starving and she.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Was just keep throwing bread to the ducks and the pigs.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: So this is something that we know. But yeah, he
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: burned the bread on purpose so that his mom would
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: tell him he can throw it to the pigs so
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: he can feed her. And she's embarrassed by it. It's
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: a core memory. She hasn't eaten for weeks. Like in
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the same way, she's grateful to him, she's grateful that
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: he showed mercy, but she's also like shame that embarrassed
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: that she was in that situation that which I really appreciate.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Old piece of bread saved her life, literally, like it's
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: a bond that they will always have.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Can we can we jump a little bit ahead and
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: and get to where the where they get.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: On to the train. Yeah, which is great. They put
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: them both in the train. Effie is with them. The
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: train ride is taking two days. They're going to the capitol.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: They're now being shown all the luxuries that exist in
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: the Capitol. It's the tool which is kind of still
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: weirdly normal. It's not it's the same I think to me,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: it was the same when I came to Canada exactly,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It was like everything is
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: slightly better and bigger here, but it's not like you know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: it's not but that's what that's what luxury is. It's
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: just like literally, like I think my first two years
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: in Canada, that was my feeling of like, oh, everyone
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: has the same needs that these are just satisfied, but
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: the little fluff. But it's not. It's a fluff, right exactly.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: There's nothing else there.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: That we all need the same things, those hierarchy of needs.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Anyway, we get to introduced with another amazing, amazing comp
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: it's more like hold on compared to what the Bubonic played.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: He's bad enough you call me.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Where to where to qua.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Congratulations. Uh, it's a slightly different.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: There's a little bit of a it's it's.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: So, but it's not as you have to say it.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: No one said who it is, and of course good
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: it's a good way. Is this character that Woody Harrison
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: is playing in this movie the same as the character
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: he's playing in the Triangle of sat It is the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: same character.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: And both of those character, both of those characters would
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: both vote for r including him in real life.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, his and he's definitely.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Somehow related to Matthew mcconaugheyst of course I think so too.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: He's an important character. He is supposed to be the
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: mentor to them, and the reason why he is a
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: mentor to them is because he did. It's a previous winner.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Last season's wingers, no last seasons, your.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Old man, a loser, he won earlier drag races. He
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: won one of the and you can see what the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: class trader looks like now, you know. Yeah, once you
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: dig your way and compromise yourself and traumatize yourself to
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: reach the capitol, this is what happens ten years after
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: with you. Yeah, he's an alcoholic cautionary tale.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: He's just very very dismissary.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: But he also then which sets him up to then
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: eventually start getting inspired by Catinus, which we'll get to.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: But also what I like is he's not just inspired
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: by Catinus, which he is for sure, but it seems
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: like a double edged sword because he's playing the game
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: of like he gets almost excited about playing the game
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: again through her totally. But also I like the way,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: as much as Peter is a fucking loser, I like
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: the way he pushes him too, Like he's like, Okay,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: well I'm gonna have to too.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: A little bit further.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I like the way he pushes him to
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: be like, hey, dude, like you should be doing this
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: for this is your job, Like yeah, we you won,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: but like I want to survive, you know. So I
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: did appreciate Peta for that reason.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: But it's just Dana is growing, but he's growing differently.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it didn't quite the Traumavon didn't quite
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: sell me. I appreciate what they were trying to do.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I understood what they were trying to do because constantly
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: sort of and I related to the fact that there
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: was an element of like her being mad and embarrassed,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: but it didn't quite sell me. It just didn't quite
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: sell me. And that was the major problem for me
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: with the movie is that I was happy that it
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: was some dumpy, little kind of short king.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: He was a short king.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah he's fucking jack dude.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: He is jacked, but he's a short kid.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: And it's definitely a thing that was like it just
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I never felt the spark of the trauma bond where
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: it was but maybe in the lore. The lore is
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: gonna definitely.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I just also have to say that this is
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: like you know, it's like coming like young adult series,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the triangle is gonna continue being the thing, so you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: you will Peter will also grow as a person, And
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like it was very like when I watched
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: this movie for the first time, not knowing what's gonna
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: happen and how it's gonna be. I was also like, Oh,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: she was like never to him at any point, at
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: any point at any time. You know, she just did
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: what she had to survive.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, which which like I think that if
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: that was sort of laid into a little bit where
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: it's like doing things to survive and then like almost
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: pretending with him to I know, I know that she is.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: I just wanted more of that to be the focus
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: of the because like, as soon as they're done this
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: this like sort of interaction, he just fucking bails, which
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I was like, man, when he fucking ran away at
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: the I was like, Oh, beautiful, that's that's the character
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: growth that I need from both these guys. Yeah and so,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: and then later on when she when she gets stung
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: by the bees and he like comes up to her,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: he's like run, run, like that kind of stuff. I
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: just needed a little bit more of that throughout the movie,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: like more at the beginning and more, you know what
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: See, I see what you mean. I feel like what
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: they did with his character is actually very subtle, like yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, he knows he's not the most charming guy.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: He knows he kind of it is kind of like
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the beta, you know, and the the allphond, the beta,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: because he knows he can't get her, he knows he's
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: not better than her, he knows he can't win over
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: the audience. He knows he has no skills.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Can you push your microphone away from yourself a little bit?
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: There we go?
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Good bet. But he's ultimately a good, decent person, and
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: there's moments where he's he's he's the beta, he's the
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: nice guy where he shows his his's empathy and his humanness,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: and I think, to me, like, I don't know, I
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: kind of also like kind of hated him throughout but
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: also liked him. But I feel like the most and
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I like those I like characters. I like that. I
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: feel like he bought me the most. In the moment
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: where he says, I don't want I don't want them
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: to present me as something I'm not.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I loved that I thought that was great because then
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: there was the element of looking at a character that
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: was the first time I thought to myself, this is
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: where she's respecting him as a person and not just
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: like feeling weird about their interactions or feeling like he
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: has Like he is presenting himself constantly throughout this movie
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: as I'm not trying to one up you, dude, like
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I am more good, you know what I mean. And
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: also I really appreciated that the the like quote unquote
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: love story that's between them coming together is like as
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: manu factored by everyone else around them.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: But but but what I will say about it is
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: that it does take on a reality of its own
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: because it needs to be real enough to be powerful.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, totally, And it's so it's TV exactly.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's real because it's almost like
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you know, there is an element to it that is
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: greater than the sum of its parts.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Sponsors, you need people to like you.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: That was great and all That's why I liked all
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: the stuff of Like, I loved all the sponsorship ship.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: I loved all these yeah, like like, no, dude, you
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: don't know how this works.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: We need to make you likable and to get it's okay,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: So just to catch up on all of that. So
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: they reach the capital and what they realize is there's
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: like everyone gets like a fucking committee of people making
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: them create the producers, like unrepulsed Rea. The producers are
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: creating the narrative, creating the story, right, so they all
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: get a bunch of people, and then to explain the
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: rules of the game. So you need to be likable
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: before the game starts. You need to you need to
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: get people to like you so that you would get sponsors,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: which means they would send help like in the moments
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: where it's really important in the game. You can get
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: some kind of little benefits which can meet And she's like,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I can't talk, but Peta knows this ship. Peta knows
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: how to play this game. He's like, I've been pretending
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: to my mom my whole life. I know how to
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: do this. He's a liar, so he knows the games. Why.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Catnus was like really honest always and it's like she's like,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to pretend like.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: And like like feign socause she has to be real
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: with her her siblings exactly. She has to be real
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: with her mom, and this guy has been lying to
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: his mom and like doing things.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: And he's in a slightly loftier position because he lives
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: with bakers who have food because they make food.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and exactly the whole fucking district is starving all
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: the time, so he is in a slightly privileged position
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: in their district. But he's also like he knows the
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: rules of like you can't actually just give people things
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: because that's not this anyway.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: But but also what's cool is how they differentiate them
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: between when Peter goes to like look out the window
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: of the train and it's like, whoa, it's amazing yet
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: and she's like, oh man, this guy is a tool.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Well but but but that's when Woody Harrelson's like, say,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: someone knows how to play again.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Someone knows how to play it again.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Anyway, because they're always he's.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Everyone's like, oh my god, it's so amazing.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: It's like when the U queens come out, they're like,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: it's to meet the queens.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: It is. It is very much meet the queens. And
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you'll see in the other movies how they do meet
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the queens differently throughout the general the general winners is next.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: But also the like enjoyment he's getting out of being
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: appreciated in that.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Way is it's like there's like narcissism of it. All
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: of it is just you know, that's all we want?
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Is this all?
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Tell us the story so that we can so that
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: we can feel good about observing violence. Yeah, right, so
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: that we can and feel good about children killing children.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Give us a storyline, a plot line, something so that
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: we feel justified. It's like what movies are, what, what
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: culture is? What? Anything is right? And it's funny because
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: that's exactly what they're doing. The movies are doing to us.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: And when we talk about the lore, it's the same.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: It's the same invented lore that they have to do
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: in Hunger Games to survive is what we love the
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: mocking Jay, the song that like everything, that's what we
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: tied to.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: But I think that's the movie making a larger comment
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: on on that, on the way that like, yeah, like
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: it's it's that's which we'll get to. I feel like
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: that's getting a little ahead of ourselves because that's kind
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: of getting into maybe the messaging of the series, because
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: the messaging of this movie is maybe different than the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: messaging at the series.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, I would agree, I would gree smaller. So just
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: to move the the storyline, we are introduced with Lenny Kravitz,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: who is said play Senna, who is this amazing queer,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: beautiful person that's there to style kindness and because he's
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: so you know, he's you know, he's doing his job.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: He understand it's cruel and it's horrible what's happening, but
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: he's doing his job, and he feels for her because
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: she volunteered for her sister, so already, like people are
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: noticing her because a story she already has a storyline
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: and pray exactly and usually and usually people from the
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: you know, the further districts don't do so well because
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: they have zero resources, unlike people from District one or
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: two who have Like it's also the same in the world,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: like they have you have military societies, the ones that
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: produce soldiers to fight. Right, So in the first and
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: the second one, most of the people who participate in
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Hungry Games are volunteers and that's because they're trained specifically
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: for this. So their role in life is to be
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the proud of district, want the pride of district wanted
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: District two, and they trained them since their children for this,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: and then they volunteer, right, And it's of course very
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: unusual that anyone from ten to eleven or twelve would
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: volunteer for, you know, this horrible thing just to die.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: So the fact that she's a volunteer is, you know,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: it's captivating to Senna. And then he comes up with
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: this amazing, amazing, amazing thing which is the fire dress.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, this scarely some fire.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Like a girl on fire, Like it's amazing, and he
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: tells this line, which is so beautiful, which is like,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: for someone as brave as you, you don't get to
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: just wear a costume like this isn't a costume like
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: this is?
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Who's an identity? Yeah?
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: And speaking of.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Identity, when they means to say we want to see
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: who you are, that they always telling you.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: What you need to be what we want specifically, but.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: You it has to be authentically you, and we want it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we just don't like you.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Who you are is not giving us life. Can you
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: be more you? But more? Ye?
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Please?
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: And then we get the Peta trying to hold her
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: hand and then being like they'll love it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: No, come on they love it. No, he doesn't say
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: they'll love it. He goes, no, come on, look they
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: love Like he's like encouraging her. This is like no,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: he says, come on, they'll love it.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: But but there's like a moment where.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: It's it's done in an encouraging way where he's like
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: like where he's winning her over to he's like also
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: convincing her.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, totally yeah, and just to like, you know, clarify.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: In this world, the president is of course on top
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: of it, but.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: The game is n The Canadian Donald Donald Tuttle in
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: this role is Likenic one of my favorite characters.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I think he is my favorite characters. Go this hard
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: like it is eighties, just amazing. He is so hot, amazing.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I always thought he was so hot. There's something very
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: dignis about but it's those big money.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: And I actually recently watched his son Keefer in the
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: movie They Cloned Tyrone.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Which I'm excited to see it, so I can't wait
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: to watch it.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: There's also the gay Master, which is the guy from
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: American Beauty. I don't know master, yeah, the game Master.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: So the idea is the president is of course, you know,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: like there's like layers in the society and everyone has
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: a specific amount of power power. So the game master
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: is also you know, not always you know, he could
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: be on thin ice depends on what he does, you know,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't like it.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: His job is really his role in the society is
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: very important.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Because he gives and this is his third time doing it,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: so we get that detail to proven himself somewhat. But
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: you know, like in any you know, authoritarian regimes, you're
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: always just one mistake away from you knowing.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Chopping getting the.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Exactly yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and okay. So after they
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: showcase the world the address, the carriage on fire, everyone's
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: losing it, like I lost it. I don't know if
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: you lost it, but the girl on fire, like.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, like for me, I appreciate the attempt, but
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: also I need This is why I need the lore
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: because of the fact that, like for me, I'm like
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: twenty twelve, I'm so excited for you. I'm excited for
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: me too.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: And I also really liked how how you interrupted.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Sorry, no, it's okay.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: You also really liked how everybody was No, you're right,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I can't go I can't go on now. After this,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I can't go.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Well, it's just like, like I the problem is that,
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: like I think that it just didn't catch me at
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: the right time because like I kept thinking like, man,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: this is like, this is you know, Harry Potter, this
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: is like for kids of a specific age. You know,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: the the fire dress is a cool idea, but I
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: was like, ah, the CG is a little bit you
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: know CG fire. So like like I'm working hard against
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: some biases that I have that I just I want
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: to dismantle so that I can because it's just I
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: want to like the movie. And like I did like
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: the movie. It's just like it's there's barriers to entry.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I understand.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: So like, but I I'm just excited.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: At how wrong you are and how I'm excited at
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: how how I know excited you're going to get.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Oh totally, I I like I am, I am excited.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: I'm just there's a barrier to entry.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I know, I know what is it a band cgi fire?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: No, it's there's a there's a ya where you would
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: think was comparing it to Harry Potter, which I understand
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: a person.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Actually when I watched this movie, now, I wasn't thinking
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: about it before, but it is very much like a
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: metaphor besides being a metaphor on different other things, but
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: also being a metaphor or entering school system like oh yeah, totally.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: It is literally like you have like if you have
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: if you're a lower class, you don't have resources, you
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: don't have the things. Yeah, it's like people who are
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: richer they know people, they know how to interact, they
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: know like you're a complete stranger if you're like really poor,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: and then how you can either rely on your social
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: skills to become the jokes are the funnier the you know,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: or you can do a trick, you can do a
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: party fucking trick, or you can be you know, like
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: how how do you become so important? How you use
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: you can try to how you use cruelty, like how
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: or cruel you are because in this system, as it
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: is in the world and mostly like specifically how it
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: is in schools is like cruelty is rewarded, right, Like
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: being a backstabbing bitch is rewarded, Like being narcissistic is rewarded.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Like all of those traits that you're like, oh shit,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I have to do this, do I want to do
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: this to succeed or do I not want to do this?
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: He depends on like determines your fate actually as a
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: human right later in life and your child you don't
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: know shit, Like yeah, and you're right.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: And that's seen specifically through the character I think his
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: name is Cato, that we start seeing get glimpses of
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: like the most evil guy, the most evil District one
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: guy who you see the stats and he's six '
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: three so he's like eighteen. You know, he's been training
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: for this his entire life, and he's just giving everyone
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: like the death stare and like it's like a really mean,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: scary statistic way, but also in a way that's very
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: believably kid, he.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Did you not. There's also a moment where Woody Harrelson
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: sees him and is like, there's like anger in his eye,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: and I think that's also what you mentioned. There's a
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: moment when he like starts enjoying that catness is going
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: to kill yeah, exactly, and he sees them and he's like, oh,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: like yeah, like he's.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Another District twelve winners.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so when you're like a rare guy, class trader, Yeah,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: he did the thing that he needed to do. And
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: he's like he's reminded of the fucking privileged ships from
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: you know number one. He wants one, he wants them
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: to suffer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: It's so he has his own motivation too, right, like everyone's.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Got yeah, and there their explanation of like how certain
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: kinds of people will just die from uh element or
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: like yeah, like and that's before they start like training
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Like make sure you get your nature training because a
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: lot of you are going to dive from the elements.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like so interesting how she is distrust full
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: of Peta because he's like he says things like oh,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: she's really good at like shooting. They're like, you know,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: don't reveal your yeah, don't, which is also what they
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: do at RuPaul's drag race. And it's a good strategy,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: like if you're good at sewing, don't see you know
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Like that when you do it, it's a surprise, surprise.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Otherwise there's an expectation.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: And then Herb being like fuck you, you're super.
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: Strong, stronger, which which like honestly that I was like, also, like.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: The the good thing about the movies is the choices
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: to the movies. The movie is the choices to when,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: the appreciation for when to reveal a thing without having
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: it be just like a dialogue dump or like a
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: dump of like information. It's nice to be able to Yeah,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: like he would be really strong a lot of context
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: molding flower, Like what's it called? Meeting dough is like
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: a really hard job.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Like of uh, he's fat powerful, I've seen him lift
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: one hundred powers.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: He's stocky, stocky. Yeah, he's fat powerful powerful. Yeah, oh
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: my god. Yeah. Anyway, they have this little training for
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: like a couple of days and and Peter is like,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: you know, he's not doing that great and the other
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: guys are like seeing him as his prey, right, And
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: she's like she's like, go lift that, like do like
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: do something show that so that they're not go after
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: you immediately?
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I love that that was so. But then he was like,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: oh no, no, he told us not to reveal our
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: like our you know, our you know, our strategy a
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: power like the ways which were powerful. And she was like,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: they're going to eat you first, Like what arebody talking about?
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Which that double sided game, right, yeah, which is like
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: you got to mind game them as much as they're
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: trying to mind game you. I mean this part where
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: he's fucking painting the the what's it called against the tree?
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh that's I was like legendary, all.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Right, and Lil was like like, oh my god.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: But I was like, you know what they did justify it,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: like like a cake yeah, purple Yeah, she used drag race.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: They had to have some other reality TV shows, you know,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: like Presented. So I'm gonna make the carpet the purple thun.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: This cake is gonna look awesome.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: It was so ridiculous because when he actually uses it
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: in the game, I saw this amazing meme which was
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: like wait a second, like did he have a mirror?
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Like where did he get the colors? How where is it?
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: How did it all of that while being injured, Like
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: none of it makes any sense. Rage, it's amazing, amazing.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: Because he's just like got this.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Far.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: It's just like but that reminds me of the first
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: time I was on Mushrooms and.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: As I was coming down. As I was coming.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Down from the mushrooms, this guy Tom showed up and
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, you look like a fucking tree and
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: he like looked like tree bark and he was like
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: thanks man.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: So that was a little bit like when when it
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: was in the part where he was doing the tree
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: thing and Leila left, I was like, well, whatever, I
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: think they justified it.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: I thought they justified it.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: But when it actually happened, I was like, so much was.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Point He's a sensitive artistictistic guy.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, by that point, I was like, well, you know,
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: they justified He did it pretty well in the earlier scene, like,
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: so it was like to me that kind of stuff
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, why not, like.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Some of those contestants on his cake would have been fooled.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so silly that something like that would be
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: used as a skill in the thing. But anyway, it was.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: It was great.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: And also I really liked when like after their training
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: and they get set up to for for what's his name,
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: uh fuck Woody Harrelson, to be like make them remember
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: you that. I thought that was great. Uh. And also
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: the building of their relationship. It felt a little quick,
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: but they so he they all sold it in ways
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: where it fit their characters really well. So like Woody
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Harrelson being like, oh, I'm kind of excited by this chick.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: She's gonna do really really well. Like but but still
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Elizabeth banks being like oh my god, Oh my god.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just being that kind of like dude,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: like being so guy pears, being.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: That stupid bitch you know, is like she's iconic. I like,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: there's so many people who are like if she's like,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: she is the the essence of being of the system.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, she swallowed the pill.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: She is there. Yeah, she wants to be the manager.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: She wants to speak the manager all the time. But
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: she's also like yeah, you get to love her too. Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: And then and then like what really sold me to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: catenus as just in general was when she missed the
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: headshot firing at the arrows and the all sponsors sponsors
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: are like this, bitch whatever, and they all turn around.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: And then when she fucking sees the gig and no.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: First she gets yeah, nobody notices.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: And then nobody knows this, and then she's seeing the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: pig and the decadence that.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Like the ap Oh my god. There's also a line
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: when the gay master says, oh, who's out of the pig?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the big and then and then like kind of
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: doing the like you're.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: A pig, I'm a big pigs walking at the.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: End exactly, and then and then her doing it like
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: pulling the arrow and putting it through the apple and
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: then bowing condescendingly.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: And being like, really, thank you for your consideration. Right,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: what was the line you said?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: And him being so happy about that.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: And Elizabeth bigs he being like, yeah, I need to
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: stress to the manager and she needs to the manager.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah totally.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So like yeah, there's like this is when the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: thing starts dividing, like things get starts getting really serious
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: because Fi is like, you pushed it too far. The
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: president is noticing that. Yeah, but Sina and and what's
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: his name?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: They have such good names, they.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Have such good names.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: It's something image.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: They are getting excited because you know, they want they
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: want her to fucking beat the system. There they the
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: whole point of the fucking thing. All of it is
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: like nobody is safe in the system, like nobody wants
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: the system pretending. Yeah, everyone's always one step away from
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: like a fucking failure, like dictatorships are run right, But
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: that's how America's wrong.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I like America. I just think that it's, uh,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: it's got some problems. You know, it's not quite this dystopian.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Yet I don't know. I think I feel like America's passed.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, like the thing that that could have been
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: explored a little more, And I mean this is the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: why genre sometimes can't do this and sometimes.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Can do this, but like.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Have you guys seen Watchmen the show? So like the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: thing that's and maybe this is explored later. The thing
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: that doesn't get explored enough in these kinds of movies
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: is or in this specifically, is that the dumb populace
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: has a game to put has the the people who
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: are like the like.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Beah, this is how it should be done.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Like there's so many of those types of people that
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: I like, you know, like yeah, but.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: The reason they exist is because of the game. They
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: watch the game, they root for the game, the entertainment
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: is there, you know, Like it's.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: Like one of those It reminds me of those people
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: who are like voting doesn't matter, you know. It's like
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: that kind of thing where it's like oh yeah, like
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: we're we're all we're all victims of the system. I mean,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: fair enough, but everybody's.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Part of it.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: So like where do you play place your your what's
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: it called your feelings? Towards you know what I mean, Like.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: That's the little point of the movie is like you
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: were either way, you have to participate.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to play the game.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: You have to play the game.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: There's no not playing the game. And so the ways
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: in which they play the game become important. And that's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: exactly what we're talking about.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to like to be like subversive in this game
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: means something. It's comic. It's a different thing for each class.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is what's what's interesting about Watchmen
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: is the people who are subvert in that show are
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: like the and and the reason it gets so like
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: the subversiveness thing gets like weirdly conflated. It can be
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: weirdly conflated with just being anti establishment in any way,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: which is like sometimes that way can be really horrible.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: That's the thing that I felt was missing in this.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: You should see the rest of it. I don't think
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: me like I feel like in the way that I
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: was not satisfied at the end of this. You might
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: be satisfied, I hope.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: So just just because like, like you know, the people
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: the people that say I want to like not root
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: for I'm glad the Candi exists.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that there are are levels of people.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: That that are in the system that can see how
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: corrupt it is. Like Woody Harrelson is a nice, nice
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: addition to that. Uh. But like the the interesting parallels
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: with Watchmen. Have you guys ever read.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Why we haven't seen it?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't anything about give us the context? Yeah, Like, well,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: I'll give you the context. In real life, the people
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: who think that they're they're subversive are mega people.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like like those.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: People they are and they are a lot of ways.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: And that's the interesting thing about them is that they're
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: stupid dumb idiots.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: But at the same time they I will say, there's
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: stupid dumbatios. Everyone has the level of information that they have.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know if it's just an information,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: it's also conditioning and it's also it's idea brains, ideology.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: And it's like, I don't like what what like that
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: was what was missing to me in the movie?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: That kind of like I guess you just have to
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: see the rest of them. I mean, that's the thing,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: because that's why it's actually very interesting because yeah, anyway,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: I hope I think you'll be satisfied. I think you'll
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: be satisfying in the ways that I wasn't satisfied.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, let's let's continue.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Where where were we?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, when when this this is?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: I think my favorite scene of the movie was when
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Stanley Tucci is introducing one through twelve, the one through
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: twelve districts uh and then we get to Catness. And
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: this was my favorite part with Cateness because of the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: fact that, like it shows exactly what she's both scared
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: of and what she's not good at, which is like
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: public speaking or being like a sort of.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Uh likable righting yourself as a product exactly exactly.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: But in the humility of her being that type of person,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: everybody loves her, because everybody does love an underdog in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: this kind of way where it's like, oh, she's so real,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: she's so honest.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: But even that gets like sort of uh tied into
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: the whole branding and product element of the movie. And
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Stanley Tucci with the fake teeth and the fake hair
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: and the eyebrows as the.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Hosts, like as the Running Man host you every fucking
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: part of this machinery of Hunger Game, and every like
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Fie and the host and the game master, and like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: all of them are fucking incredible characters, Like everyone is
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: a fucking character.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: And also the way it's written into the movie, where
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: like I was written in as your wife so that
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: I could watch you and make sure the erasure took.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: You get the name of the game master, and all
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: the things are just like, oh, yeah, they're talking about
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: it because this is what's happening now, as opposed to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: you know, what the game master said, you know, like
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: as opposed to that, and this fire dress. I was like,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: this girdness, all fine, Oh this is amazing. Yeah, when
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: she's around, because it's it's like her doing a thing
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: to try and like, oh they told me to do this,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: so I'll do it. You know. It's it's so part
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: of her character, which I really enjoyed. And then when
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: when Stanley Tucci's like the girl on fire catness, that
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: was great, fire.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Perfection, perfection. I think what I love about all of
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: this because you know, I wasn't always into like realities
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: and like that kind of like fame and people and
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: like lore and reality TV and shit like that, until
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: you realize like literally everything we do is based on
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: some kind of storytelling your narrative and you know heroes
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: are or like that's how we remember, that's how we
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: as human connect to each other, like you know, like
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: call it on a call it know, the storytelling, the
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: singing sung along, you know.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: This is what we love stories, stories, and to like
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: make it so disgustingly bad, like violent, like to make
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: it into this like life or death game for this
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: children is like in a way, exposing who we are.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, honestly, I think the the interesting thing
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: about like morality tales like this is like you want
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: the stories to tell you like how you should be.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, like the arc of history
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: has always been this violent and like.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Can I tell you an interesting thing?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: Sorry, way worse before where it was like, oh well,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: let's build this colisseum so we could just watch people
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: murders either something or get murdered either way. A murder.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Worse than having like a genocide broadcast live on on
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: on Instagram. I don't know, like I feel like it's
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: is it worse? It feels like it's like pretty No
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: I would I don't know if I would say on
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: par but it's the same level of like horror right,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: and like the same level of carnage.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: I don't think so they're like to frame something as
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: a game is different than war.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: No, why it literally is? I would also I would
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: also have to say, Okay, we're not gonna talk about this.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: I just want to say it is because the way
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: that this the story is presented, and the way it
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: like the person who wrote it, like got motivated to
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: write it is basically because she was like watching TV.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: She's like a white lady. She's a Karen, like the
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: person who wrote this as a Karen. And she was like,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: I was watching TV and flipping channels and it was
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: reality TV War in Iraq, Reality TV war in Iraq, like,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: and it started blending in such an uncomfortable way.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Total, So all of it is a theater, right, Like
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: all of it is a theater. War is a theater
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: for people from the first world to watch. No, that's
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: and and and, But that's not what I was going
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: to say before you started this fucking thing. Is the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: stories we tell and legends we tell and how important
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: they are. And I was thinking about this in terms
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: of Serbia. And we can talk about this when we
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: get to the part of her giving soup to Yeah,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: giving giving soup to Peter is like, for example, every
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: nation usually has a myth, like a golden myth of
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: something happening, and most of the countries have like what
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: they call like positive myths, like a hero that did
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: something that was a victory. This is what we aspire
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: to be, this is who we are. And some nations
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: have like who were particularly nationalistic, which also reflects the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: moment of Israel and kind of connects it to the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Serbian nationalism, in my opinion, is a myth of defeat,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: like the myth of victimhood. Yeah, right, like the myth
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: where we lost everything and how important it became. It
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: becomes the origin story. And with the origin stories, what
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Americans try to do is always like the guy on
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: in a million, the winner the rocky, right, Like that's
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: the story that Americans are selling, but the Serbians are
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: selling you remember that time, we're like the occupieds for
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: five centuries. Yeah, Like, our story is our greatest moment
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: in history was a battle we lost against the Ottoman
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Empire that started five centuries of colonization. Right, So our
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: origin story is we gave it all, but the enemy
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: was bigger and we lost and usually the image of
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: this this defeat or this war of this national pride
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: is a woman, young woman walking after the battlefield with
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: all the soldiers like my dead and like slaughtered, right,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: bringing water and tossing out the assassing out who's alive,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: who's not, and then and then giving water to the wounded,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: like this is the image of what they call the
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Kosovo girl, right, And yeah, it just made me think
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: of like, and that's what they did with Peter and Catnus, right,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: and the moment where he is injured and she's using
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: her resources to save him, she gives him the soup,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: and that was at the moment when they realized all
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: we got to do. This love story, right is what
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: people want to Yeah, but anyway, what I was just
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: trying to say that the moment of to now just
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: reminds me of how important the myths we tell ourselves
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: about who we are are to us as humans, nations
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: and whatever.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: But like the importance is so grand that it transcends
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: time and space. Like the thing is, that's why we
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: have all the same myths like all the time. But
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: it's also like like war is just something that endures
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: and it just always has there's like the idea that
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: there's more any type of morality, whether good or bad.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: It's just an impulse. It's something we have, it's something
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: we have to deal with. Yeah, it's not like and
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: and the thing is, there is an unfortunate arbitrary nature
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: to like comparing them to games because of the fact
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: that there's a strategy in both games and in Wars.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: But like, like the notion that there aren't like justifications
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: for certain kinds of wars is like.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's justification for a fucking game too, there's absolutely
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: but but but what I'm saying is like to say that,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: like I get it, Like it's it's easy to me.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: It is very easy to look at the similarities between
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: something like a reality TV show and and something that's
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: like unfolding in real time. But like there is an
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: aspect of choice to those things, like you you participate
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: in those things, whereas the tragedy of Wars is that
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: there are people who don't want to participate and are
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: will willing, wipefully just thrown by other people.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Like situation in the game right, like she's unwilling, she's
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to play the game.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Fantasize about going off and living off the grid.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: But I think what I think it's interesting and I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: think it hasn't been explored enough is because the writer
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: of the stories of Karen I'm sorry, I mean, like,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm insulting a writer of the story.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: I really like you're way. It's just kind of like
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: it's a fact. But the thing that kind of like
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: upsets me about it is that the movie reaches a
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: point where a bunch of story reaches, which is like
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: our people inherently violent and bad and our people I
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: don't know how are.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: People unfixably horrible.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Like our people inherently yes? Are people inherently violent, violent
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: towards each other? Or can't? Because like it's it's always
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: putting together, Every fucking movie is putting together the two
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: perspectives binary, the binary of like you either crush other people,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: people are bad, they will always be bad. The only
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: way to do anything in life is to play the rules,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: which means you crush others you're at the top, or
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: you care for people, you protect the people, and you
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: believe that people can be better. And it's always like, oh,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: the disappointment of it will never be this, Oh you
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: know or oh, the thing that really matters is sacrificing
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: for others, right. And what I find this so kearny
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: is you know, at the end of all this, they're like, yeah,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: fuck it, you know we it's a conservative. I don't
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: know if Alex is going to see it that way.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: I saw it as a conservative and I don't. I don't.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't, And I'm excited to get
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: there and.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: I'm like I'm going to. I mean, it's really hard
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: not to talk about the other movies. Hold on before
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: we talk about the other movies. I love when Peter
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: grows a pair and is like smell me, Stanley Tucci.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: And pointing out to like, yeah, the the like the
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: cleansiness and the dirtiness of the districts.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it also did so like that's an
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: interesting point too, because it's like the marginality of like
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: I remember the big insult to bring it back to serbs,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Like I remember the big insult about serbs is that
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: they were dirty, right, Like like when during during the
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: nineties in the wartime, it was like you're like dirty
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: serbs was was the insult? And then also like there
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: was the Seinfeld joke of like I have not from
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: the footage I've seen all the shower. Yeah yeah.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: It was also this there was this Bosnian artist that
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: did this like art piece based on what the soldiers
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: the Yeah, like the U N soldiers rode on some wall.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: It was like smelly, no teeth, dirty Bosnian girl. So
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: she used that as like a shirt.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: I saw that. I saw that in recently a girl.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's so good because yeah, like the the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: the way you dehum humanize people is also around cleansiness
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: and dirtiness and peanuts playing into it goods for him
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: like great, yeah, and like he's like he's like you
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: smell better than me.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Well I've lived here longer. There's the kind of clipping
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: and so he's participating in his own humiliation in a way,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: but in a smart way. It's kind of like when like.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is so drag race Like yeah,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: like comedian queens who like participate in their own humiliation
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: so much better.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: They have to own it to some degree, right there
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: to be like people want to see the humility of
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: like yes, yes I am bad.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: They're like they're so like me bad.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: The other ones are cold yeah, the longer this okay,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I hope it doesn't.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Let's keep going. This movie is long. Where are we
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: uh so I let's start with them entering the game
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: if we can.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. Okay, Oh, then immediately everybody starts dying.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, which I love. I love that.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: Can I just say, like the willingness to kill a kid,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: like full on kill a kid aces like that's what
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, like like effective, it does make it effective,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: and not just that, but like like the notion that like, yo, dude,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: like you're in a fucking dangerous, deadly game, Like how
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: do you show that? Yeah, their kids fucking killed them? Yeah,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: let me gets even. And the running after things is
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: like and then like her running after the bows and
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: arrows and then like being like, oh no, Peter left, Peter.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: Peter just fucking bails, which I was also like, yeah, yeah,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: totally yeah, there's no big rock you can throw at
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: these people.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: They're also showing how everyone is watching, all the districts
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: are watching, and you can see the cuck hems word
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: not watching it because before, and it's a comeback to before.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: In the beginning, he was like, oh, if everyone would
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: just stop watching it.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: He stops watching out of protests, he gives up his protest. Yeah,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to vote for Jill's side. Voting
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: for Jill.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, I also have to appreciate that the like
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: the the you know, like like traditional alpha is being
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: cooked in this movie, and the traditional beta is like
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: is kind of getting the girl, Yeah.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: But is also a giant pussy.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: But also both of both of them are fucking giant
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: pussy and she's the best.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't think so. I think you both are wrong.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: I think they're both amazing. I think they're fucking amazing.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: I think they're amazing too.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: We're the the visceral feeling of like Lenny Kravitz saying
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: bye to her as she's shot up through the tube.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: It's like you really like I was watching this with Anna,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: like I felt nervous for her going in. It was
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: like really effective filmmaking in that regard because it like
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: made you feel like the setup, it takes a long
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: time to set it up, and with good reason, because
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: you're like, yes, this needs this much of a big setup.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it literally is half of the movie before
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: the Games, before the Games, which is she is really
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: good and you're right, like, and I think probably the
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: books are written from her perspective, like from Kdne's perspective,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: because you can't feel her fear all the time. Like,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: and that's why I appreciate it's young adults novel because
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: it is you that feeling like, oh, you can keep
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: going even though it's really hard.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Also, like you know, the beginning of her journey in
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: the book in the movie where it's like, this is
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: what I have to do for my family. This has
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: prepared me for this job. She hunts a squirrel. She
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: like gets like the she's like making little makeshift like weapons.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: She's like looking through her weapons and stuff. Man, when
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: she climbs the tree and the little camera in the
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: tree is like looking at her. That was great.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Also the yeah, the the cannonballs, Oh yeah, the cannonballs.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Like the music. Yeah, it's like so glorious, so simple,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: it scales up. It's like in a major key. It's
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: like just like dude, well no, maybe it's not in
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: the major key, but it's like it's kind of like
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: it feels like it's like uplifting but also mysterious.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: It's really cool.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: And also the interesting uh, like map that they've created
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: that they can the like, uh, you know NPC guys
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: are like putting in like different weapons or different uh
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: problems that they can Yeah, they're gaming it very cool.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: And then the the in the like dome place showing
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: when somebody dies uh and is.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Gives a recap like gives recapt like fucking great, like, yeah.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: You got to see what happened the last episode? Who
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: got who got immunity this week? And yeah, like the
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: the bloodbath of this beginning is really like intense. It's
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: all handheld. It's like beautifully shot. It feels very real
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: and very roll like yeah, and you're only getting like
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: you know PG thirteen, like small clips of these like
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: kind of very violent and like brutal sort of like blood.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're seeing dead children. Yeah, and like around
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: all of this fluff of like ooh this and who
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: is cool and you know, like.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: You've got blood, You've got like angles that are like
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: it's like out of frame, like you see stuff happening.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: But it is really effective.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: It's it's emotionally effective, and like I think that you know,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: this is why I think that if we'd watch this
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: as kids, it would have been like had such an
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: impact because.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: It feels the steaks feel extremely high.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, may the odds ever be in your favor.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Made the odds ever be in your favor. It just
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: reminds me of this like research I I I mean,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I read it. Maybe I just
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: like heard about it about the empathy and how many
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: dead children do need to feel empathy?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And it's like the higher it goes, the
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: less empathy you feel, because you feel like the context
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: for it becomes so overwhelming that the empathy gap becomes wider.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: But if it's one person that's crazy, like you feel
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: direct empathy towards them.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: As soon as it's two, it drops like two is
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: a number that's too much. And that's like if you
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: remember when it was the Syria, when there was a
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: war in Syria and all the fucking refugees and all
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: the children going across the Mediterranean, everyone remembers that one
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: like the image of a boy and he's like three
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: or four whatever, you know, like one kid. Everyone remembers
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: that image. Everyone cried about that boy. But if you
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: see five of them, as soon as it's two of them,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: as soon as it's a boat of kids boom nobody.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that they don't like something, they
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: don't care. It's it's just like, uh, what's it called,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: like an evolutionary problem. It's just like we're not built
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: that way right, and it sucks because the morals get
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: really skewed in situations like that because you like you.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: That's when it becomes gamified in this Western world kind
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: of way where it's like, well.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: You don't care as much as I care.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: It becomes this like as opposed to like understanding that
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: like none of us really do. It's all virtue signaling.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: But it's But the problem is is that you can
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think that. Can you let me fucking finish? What?
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: Tell me?
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: What? Please?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: We'll continue.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: Instead of thinking about it in reasonable ways where you
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: can harness that kind of lack of empathy on a
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: large scale and build systems that can build that into
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: uh like having that as like having an understand or
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: system that's built having that understanding in mind, yeah, you
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: instead of just being like gamifying it and capitalizing on
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: it in a way where it builds you can get
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: clicks or likes, you you can you can try and
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: solve that problem on a much wider scale, which is why,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: like those skills exist in other countries like you, you
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: build in those types of social safety nets for example,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: that can build in like not having as many people
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: fall through cracks as opposed to in North America, which
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: is much much more designed on like competitiveness and being
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: like okay.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: A million ye hard you worked, or yeah you didn't
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: deserve it, or you know your welfare queen or whatever.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Well tell me how so much.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: It is built built on like cruelty and competition.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what where are we in the game?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: But I also I also had to say that, yeah,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: I do agree with you. There's a lot of clickiness.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: It's not like you know, showing who is yeah, virtual
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: signaling or whatever, but like our own belonging to a
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: club or a culture is more important images we see.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: We have to take that into consideration. Yeah, and there's something.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: It's like what this movie is about.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: You're sure you're projecting a story to the audience to
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: have opinions, Like whoever is doing Wars anyway is never
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: thinking about what's right or wrong. They're only thinking about
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: perspective right, Like who what is this perspective telling what
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: is this perspectively? They're just all buying us right, and
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: all the.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: Time it sucks because like it's it's hard to have
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: to admit to oneself that it's like, yeah, I'm like
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: a selfish person, or like the multitude of complexity that
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: exists in one person, because it's like, yeah, dude, like
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: I can't care about five.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Me, Like I get to say, oh, yeah, I used
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: to be, but now I'm you know what I mean?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: Or you get to throw that at their face. That's
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: some kind of privilege that because you suffered more than
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: they did. Like it's fucking all of it is like
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: so deeply upsetting. I would have to say, but that's
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: exactly what this movie is dealing with our uncomfortableness about it.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: And I have to say that the point, the actual
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: point comes in the new movie, and I'm gonna say
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: it right now, the point of the games and the
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: presidents know as the guy who's at the moment, the
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: game maker, what tell me what the point of the
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: game is? And he says, first, I thought it was
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: to punish the rebels in terms of it's a punishment
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: to know, like if you like it again, This is
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: how we deal with you. There's nothing you can do.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: Your powerless right, like, we get to pick two of
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: you and kill you every year. You're a little shit.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: This is your punishment. And then he was like, and
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: but then I start thinking, maybe it's for the capital
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: people to see at least you're not this, you know,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: like you know where your place is and at least
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: you have which is how most of the regimes are
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: carried out. It's like, you know, it's like putting pinning
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: people against each other, or like, well, at least I'm
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: not you know, whatever is a little bit lower than you, right, yeah,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: And then and then he was like, maybe it's this.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: But then ultimately what it is is no, it shows
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: that it shows you the nature of who we are.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: It shows you that we can't be better as people,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: and that's the most depressing part of it. Of like,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: it teaches you a conservative idea, interesting, which is to
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: be afraid right, to know who we are is to
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: fear us, and to know that we can't ever be better,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: we can't ever grow, right.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, like I think that in part, I don't
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: know if I suffer from that kind of nihilism, because
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: I do think there there is there is, Like I
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: guess there might be a better out there, but I
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: just don't know what that looks like. And that's the thing.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: Like to me, it feels like when when there's like
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: a moralization conversation about like why people do or like
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: why one person does something versus a group of people
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: versus a nation. It just it feels like the notion
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: that if I can't criticize, if I can't be at
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: a place where I'm criticizing something, then there isn't anything better.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: I can't do anything better.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: But also where like.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: Who am I to criticize? You know what I mean?
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: So that kind of back and forth that the complexity
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: of that is just like if that was solvable, like
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: we could solve everything.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of like Thomas Hobbes man in the
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: State of Nature, like the state of man. In the
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: State of nature, life is nasty, brutish, short and nasty.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: But it's also the Burke right, the master of conservatism,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: which is like anything that exists now will always be
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: better than the thing that we don't know, right, So,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: but at least what we know has worked for some reason. Sure, right,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: But if we start changing ship up. We don't know
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: which beasts we're releasing, and that's the essence of conservatism.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: And I to be honest, as you know, someone who's
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: into this ship, I don't want to believe that. I
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: strongly don't want to believe that we're so afraid of
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: ourselves that we can't imagine anything else.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: Right, speaking of Peta forming a line is with uh,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: the like he.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Doesn't want how could you not love fucking Peter? Like
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: he loves this girl so much that he's like thinking
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: has he says like that, there's no way I can
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: fucking win this.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: It's it is really the the interesting choices that need
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: them alive. Well, yeah, exactly, and and the idea that
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: he's like forming these alliances in order to like forty
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: chess his way out of it.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: That was like really really, you never know when.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: They'll change the rules of the game, dude.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: So what happens?
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: Man? Can we talk about the rule change?
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: We're not there yet. I just want to say so,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: our our girl cat is is you know, is trying
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: to not play the game. You know, she is trying
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: to she is being above it, right, So she's trying
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: to get Yeah, she's being above it. So she's like
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: walking towards the end of the dome, climbing a tree.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: She's like, I'm gonna sit this out. I'm not going
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: to get my hands dirty, and bitch, that's not how
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: you play this game. So the game maker brings some
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: fire into it. He starts a forest fire.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: She gets the Jewish Is this what the Jewish space
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: lasers look like? What? I don't know, No, Marjorie Taylor
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: Green said, the fires in in the UH, I think
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: it was California was started by Jewish space lasers.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: I do not. I do not. Anyway, these fireballs at
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: Earth burn her and put her in front of the
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: the group of the bullies in the in the class.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: And the bullies in the class are you know, like
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: a couple of them from the first second district and
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: petam right. So they're like, bitch, you gotta play, you
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: gotta play the game. You gotta get your hands dirty.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: They try to catch she climbs the tree. You know,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: they're trying to get her. They're failing at it. So
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: then Peter is like, oh, why don't we sit this out?
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: You know? Sometimes yeah, yeah, anyway, night passes.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: And they give catiness. Some bees they give are they
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: called they're called what are they called?
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: I love that so many like plants and animals are
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: like geoengineered, genetically engineered. Also, are those dogs men or
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: are they just like simulation?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Like I think, Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: A lot of the things, well, a lot.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: Of the things are kind of like biomechanical, Like they're
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: like there's a biological element, but it's all like kind
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: of drawn and constructed, because like it feels like a
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: Holideck technology or something.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: It's part Holodac, it's part Holidac, but it's all like
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: genetic engineering is a big part of the whole story, right,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, well we'll get to the floor. Yes, yeah.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: Anyway, so putting in like dirty, gross water into your wounds.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: And be like why, it's like she wants to clean
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: the wound. I was like, but why don't.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: It feels like you you need to make your wounds dry,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: That's what you need to do.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: We get a lot of like vulnerability from her. She's
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: freaking out, she's in pain, she's you You're like, she's
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: just a fucking girl. And then what we get is
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: really interesting is another girl roof from District eleven.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, from from Euphoria, from Euphoria Cloud at what's his name,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: Atlas Cloud or something. I don't know, Atlas Cloud, I
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: swear to God it's something like insane like that. No,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: but she also gets the like vasolene that she fingers.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: She fine, it's it's literally like like they show it,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: like her fingering it so much, and I was like
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: fucking gross, dude, Like, yeah, she gets a.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: Little what are those flying things called? No, no, no, no,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: no oh.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: She gets one of those like prizes, one of those
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: what are.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: They called, my brain? How do we call the flying ship?
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: She got a little drone to bring her some some
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: basoline that's a glitter vasoline. Of course, everything has to
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: be everything has to be extra from the Capitol. She
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: puts two fingers and she like split the clip and
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: she fingers fingers are wound and it heals really well.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: But then real girl from District eleven, who's like literal child.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: Which again I really appreciate it.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: Well, we have established that is really good at like
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: climbing trees and hiding, and I feel like that's such
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: an interesting survival strategy because we as children literally do that,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: like you find a person who feels like it can
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: help you survive, and then you just follow them. Like
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: that's little strategy of little us. So sad but cute.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: So this girl has like decided or figured out that
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: the only way to survive is to kind of cling
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: to the girl that she thinks can have any chance
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: of winning. So morning comes Lil Roue shows Catness this
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: hornet's nest and tells her like, just throw it at them,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: you know. And then the game makers are all like,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: these are genetically engineered bees. They will you know, you
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: will hallucinate, you will end in extreme conditions, you will die.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: Man, you'll become a puffy mons there.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Dude, I couldn't wait for Buffy.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: The this scene was great, the way the way acid
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: kicked in in this it was such a good as
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: this is cool, I want this trip like that, the
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: like skipping frames.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: I love the skipping frames and the like the game
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: master guy comes in and he's like.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: These are.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: The time where Cadinet starts killing people. So she has
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: already killed people and she and.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: She sees her dad too, like she's like visions and
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: dreams of her dad and dying.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: It was a good place to put more exposition.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: So much trauma. All of her traumas is her dad dying,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: the peta giving her bread while she was hungry.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: The mom like her screaming at her mom and stuff
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: really cool, and then but then realizing that Peter and
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: Peter was actually trying to help her the whole time
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: in the vision, Yeah.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: So her you know, like her dad's face changes or
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: her mom's face I don't remember, changes into Peter's face,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: and it's like run, run, you gotta run. Anyway, it's
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: so good. She wakes up two days later. I love it,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, what have other people been doing? I
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: know that's the thing, But what I did like is the.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: There there is, like was saying earlier, there's a lot
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: of context clues of what they were doing because they
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: were also piling up all the food and stuff into
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: that big pyramid or whatever. So that was cool, like
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: the and and also the movie does a really good
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: job with like almost like being like a low budget movie.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: They just kind of shot a lot of the shit
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: in the woods. Like half of the movie takes place,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: like it's like half of it is like green screen
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: and like built sets, and then the rest of it
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: is like, oh, we're just outside.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: So it's like it's kind.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: Of like it feels like they were like, well, we'll
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: save the money for the next movies. You just do
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: whatever you can with this.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: And we'll do it. Maybe yeah, maybe it was because
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: it was twenty twelve, but there's like such good like
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: big names. I think they invested in the actors and
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: the real actors for sure. They really build the world.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: This is what I was saying earlier. I think they
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: leave room for the places for the sequels to go.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: You know, it was scaled down purposely in ways where
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: it was like it's still going to give you a
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: big delivery.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, Yeah.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was like a perfect game to watch,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: like we had this half a movie of preview to
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: understanding the world and the world yeah, and then we
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: have the game with games too good. But when I
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: watched the first time, I was like, catness, you don't
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: get to be above it. Like to me, that was it.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, how are you going to handle your
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: own the ways you you compromise yourself in this game? Yeah,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: So she finds the you know the that after she
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: wakes up that rou helped her and it's sort of
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: like oh, and it's like it's not Rue and it's
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: her sister, right, So it's.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: Like that's the big thing is that they did a
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: nice job at tying in the idea that like I'm
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: gonna have empathy towards this. They ripleyed her the aliens
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: ripley Oh my god. No, Rue is like my little sister,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: This is my child.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I get to like the way that I
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: connect to this person is the way I connect to
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: my sister as someone who's small. I need to protect,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: I need to take care of.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: Also, you need two days to bury mines again.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to rebury the minds.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: But we also get the thing of the leaves being
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: like medicinal and like extracting the poison from from cattinesses
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: from catiness.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: Also, I like this idea of like Catenus is like
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: shooting arrows at all the food. Like was she does
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: she mean to get the apples to explode?
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So they made this plan after they learned
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: that they gather all the food to like like a
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: trap for everyone to come. So she's like, let's like
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: let's destroy this. Let's like you're gonna set up a
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: fire like there's gonna be smoke. They're gonna see it,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: and they're gonna go to you, which will leave like
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: all the food and the weapons and everything unattended. So
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: her plan was never to take it because she can hunt,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: she can feed herself, she can get water, she's capable.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: Other people fuck now. And then we have this amazing
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: showing of this ginger hair girl, red hair girl, who
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: is barely a character who I love so much. I
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: think what they wanted to do is to make her
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: a cateness that couldn't be catness. She is the same
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: as her She's very smart, she's very capable, but she
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: has no fucking support. She's so alone in this world.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: And we see her in the beginning. They two of
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: them bump into each other. They're not going to kill
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: each other, that's not who they are, but they go
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: their separate ways, and this girl just shows up in
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: snippets right like seconds, like she's doing her thing.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: It does the thing. It weirdly does a lot of
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: character building for this person that doesn't have like a
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: written character, but it's like understood by other characters, and
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: that's what it's nice.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: It's right pivotal moments like pivotal moments. We see her
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: also at this massive food you know forest, the forest
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: triangles fortress fortress, and she she has already figured out
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: where the minds are, so she just grabs the food
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: the uh and then Cats realizes there's, oh, there's minds there.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: So her plan is that she sees some apples, so
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: she's going to shoot airs and like.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: Break the bags.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: So the ship falls down, the ground starts, the mind
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: minds explode and then the whole weapons thing explodes, which
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: is exactly what happens, and it's an amazing plan.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: And and then the guy Cato comes back and he
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: blames the kid for doing it, and.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: It's one of the best scenes ever.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a like visceral scene because it's like
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: it's a much smaller and younger kid than him, and
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: he's like, like, you know.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: This eighteen year old would not have the strength to
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: snap his neck, but well, I don't know, I don't.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: I think. I love that moment so much, and I like, like,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: watching this movie, I was like, how are the clicks
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: even happening? Because like there's only one fucking winner, so
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: everyone knows they're gonna like turn on each other. Eventually
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: and the way that they're using this child to like
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: help them do whatever, and once they become like absolute,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: they just killed him and he was just so angry
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: in the moment, he was just like a split second,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: it showed so much to me, like the way that
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: they killed his kid.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: It's survived her. The show Survivor does this really well
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: because they pit them against each other, but like they
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: also put them in games where they can help each other.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: So like I'm I mean, I felt a little bit
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: of the same way where I was like, I mean,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: come on, dude, like we're all in this rest.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: But the alliance has become very important because of.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: Course, yeah, because it's also fun to watch. You're like, oh,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: I trust you, but ultimately no one trusts you.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: And also it brings it's all about content. It's content
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: for the viewers, right, yeah. Cadnus then runs back into
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: the forest because she hears nah Ru getting trapped by
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: a first.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: One of the most important emotional things that happens, and
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: the lore of this movie is the use of the jabir.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, the mocking Jing. It's amazing, you know.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: The jay bird is great too.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: We have to contextualize it because that happens before the
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: explosion happens, because Rue's the one who explains it to
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: her that the mocking Jays imitate whatever sounds they hear.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: So she does a little song.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: And they her district uses it to signal to each
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: other all the time.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: That's right, And then Catus does the what the theme
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: of the movie is? Which can you do it?
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: It's not exactly the theme that something like that, But
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think she does that melody. I don't think
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: it's a different melody.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: The theme of the like movie or it comes back
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: eventually in the movies. Right, It's pretty.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: Sure the mocking Jays are important and the melodies are important.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: So she sings the melody to her sister, the Meadow
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: made of I don't know something. I thought she sings
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: it the way I would it, which is totally tone deaf.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, Jay Law is not the
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: best singer, but I think she's got she she leans
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: into her own authenticity, which definitely always helps people enjoy
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: vocal performance.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, if you're gonna make this theme
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: a theme, so I'm like, just make it more normality,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: like more poppy. It just seems off to me. But anyway,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: it was a it's a it's a beautiful sentiment and
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: it's a you know, her voice is so vulnerable, and
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: that's what they were going for.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: So and then she finds Rue in the net net yeah,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: the internet with Sandy Bullock, and she like takes her out,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: hugs her. But then Rue sees another guy. Uh, and
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: Catness turns around and right before she gets an arrow.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: In, she gets spear.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, gets spared.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: And that's what Katiness does. Her first kill kills the guy.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: She kills the guy she kills them before.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: But yeah, and she's like, you're okay, and everybody was like,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: you're not. That's not true, You're not okay at all.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Rue looks at her and tells her
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: you have to win.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: Rue looks at her, it is like you have to
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: participate in this horrible game and be happy about it.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. She ultimately tells her, this is what you're fighting for,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: Like we're all fucking sick of this. You have to
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: win this because you're different. And then and.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: That pivotal motion moment that that that creates the rage
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: within the working class, right because like the workers in
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: the district and and Rue's dad are like, fuck this ship.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: My daughter just died, but my daughter's important, dude, and
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: they just.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: Let's all put on our red hats and fight against.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: No, but what what Cat does here is important, not
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: only the daughter. She puts the three fingers yes, and
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: what she which figures what she says about three figures
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: up is what's it called solidarities from below? So different
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: people who are also marginalized in different ways should work
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: together against the common enemy instead of pinning them against
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: each other. And she transcends it and sends the message
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: to District eleven is.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 7: Part of which is part of exactly yeah, yeah, not yes,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 7: and so they all it starts creating this idea of
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 7: the three fingers together like a.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: District. She starts, she starts the fire. Yeah, there's a
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: spark there, sparked started to what's funny that you keep it?
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: Definitely could it definitely could be that, but it could
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: be so many other like differ.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: That's that's you gotta watch fucking Watchmen. That's what's so
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: awesome about watching watch But you got to read the
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: comic first.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: No, So what happens after this moment? If like the
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: grain District.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: No, dude.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: One of the best lines where what's it called the
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: game Maker Wes Bentley is like, I've heard rumors about
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: District eleven and then what's his name? Woody Harrelson is
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: trying to calm him down, and he's like, well, you
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: just you got to give them something else to root
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: for it in order to stifle some sort.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: Of revolutionary action. He's like, oh my god, what are
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: we gonna do? And he's like, you gotta give him
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: an underdog. Yeah. It's such a good moment because everyone
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: is playing the double game, triple game, and he's like,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: don't kill her. Don't kill her. You'll make her a martyr.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: You know, they will cause more issues, you know, create
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: something that's like anti revolutionary, but like not anti you
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: Something something that he gives them an underdog.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: No, it's not that it's a love story totally.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: And then but but what's hilarious is that he tries
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: to sell the underdog to Snow and Snow is like, no,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: go off, there's plenty don't underdog.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: We don't like him. Well.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: He also gives a pivotal line there too, because he's like,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: if you ever visited these districts. You also wouldn't be
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: for them, which reminds me of a story of this
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: Israeli guy told recently where he was like on a
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: bus with only Palestinians entering into like like a territory
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: and then like people were just like he was just like,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: oh ship. Now he realized what it means to be.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: Like perceived as Palestinian in this bus going through checkpoints,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: right yeah, and it's like no one knows who you are.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: They don't know like, they don't know that you're so
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: they just think that you're so Like it just immediately
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: shifts your like, oh ship, because it puts you in
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: a completely different It puts.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: You in the other people's shoes in a way that
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: feels real and consequential, right like in the ways that
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: most of the system will present you. Oh, you would
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: never be that. You are not that. You can't be that,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: and once you feel it, you can never you know.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's why I never pick nose linees like
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: you can't. If you know that, then you would never
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: root for them.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: If you know them, you would never root for them. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: we will. We will learn more about the President's no story, so.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: And Presidence knows relationship to District twelve exactly.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you get we get to the point where we
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: get the new rule.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: Neurals and finally yeah, so the game maker is like,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: dunt dunt dunt dunk dun dun. Fire has been started.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to stop this narrative of solidarity
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: between districts against the capital against the game right, so
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to stop this. We'll pivot. The
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: way we'll pivot is towards a love story. Everyone loves
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: a love story. It's kind of like, you know, who
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't love a love story? You know, everyone could relate
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: to it. You know, there's it's not political or anything.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: So he makes this announcement.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: And Canus immediately goes to search for how stupid is she?
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: What's the stupid is she? What's the announcement?
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: Though?
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: The announcement is that to two from the same district
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: can can win for the first time, not only one person,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: but two people if by any chance they're from the
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: same district. Mon Exchange be sharing the crown this year.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: I thought it was incredibly naive from cat Is to
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: go be like, oh, yeah, this is happening, Like what
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: did you feel about reaction to those changes of their rules.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: It's the rules, I think, you know what. I think
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: that if she's set up enough to me as a
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: person who can feel like she needs another person for
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: this to be like she's already seemingly lost so much
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: with this little girl. I feel like it's it's believable
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: enough to me that she's gonna find a painted face
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: Peter and be like, oh my god, you did such
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: good makeup.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: How are you doing.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: Makeup skills without a mirror or anything, or so good
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: right now and.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: Then cleaning it off so fast it's like it takes
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: hours to with that shit on and like a long
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: time to take it off.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: I mean Peter as a makeup artist, Like, come on,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: this has never been seen won the challenge for this episode? Anyway,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: she goes and finds him like come on, like it's
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: just too good. It's too good. Finds something.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: Did you feel about it?
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: Did you feel like it was like when I was
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: watching When I was watching it and when I was
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: identifying with her, I was like, catness, you think you
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: You're like I need to win this because I need
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: I have people to take care of. It was naive
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: of her to think she can just sit at the
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: end edge of it, wait until everyone comes down. But
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: I understand it. It works with a character and ye.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: And it gives her like a trajectory.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and at this point you have already killed people,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: you know how the world is, and they're like, oh,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: we're changing the rules and now you get to save
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: this p Yeah. I think you're right. I think she
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: needed it.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: I think she needed it.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: Get it though, like because like it's so it was
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: so irritating because at the end they're just like, no,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: WHI rules. It's like it felt a little bit like wait,
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: hold on though, like.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: At this point I would know how the game works
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: that they were going to screw me over. Yeah, Like
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be that stupid, Yeah, for sure. And then
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think But also maybe I'm more jaded at
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: cap I mean no, maybe maybe.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's like what sucks about
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: the rule change thing is like I don't like I
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: like my corruption to be a little bit more fair,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? It just feels a
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: little bit like.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing is like they'll never That's the
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: whole message of the movie is they'll never allow you
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: to play by those rules. Yeah, they will never make
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: the corruption fair because it is inherently corrupt.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: No, but here's the thing. When it comes to and
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: maybe I'll get to this, but when it comes to
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: like other dystopian things like nineteen eighty four, for example,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: there's so little there. Excuse me, there's so little there
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: that the entity that Winston is fighting in that movie.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: It reduces it down to just like a kind of
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: nebulous evil, right, Whereas there's so much here that Yeah,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: Like it feels like even in the world of the movie,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: like people, even people watching it would be like, oh,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: come on, that's not fair, you know what I mean,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: Like you need the people who are watching the thing
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: to be invested in the thing. So like rule changes
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: like that kind of it made me feel a little
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: bit like, really, this is how we're gonna do it.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: Well. I think it's like the rule is also directly
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: informed by the relationship that specific Catnus and Peter conscious right,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: Like they're like, oh, you like that they're a couple,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: will make them better.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: Them like totally, like totally the way that they set
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: it up, and we're like, oh, people are going to
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: love this. They are influencing the game. This is then
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: exerting the part of what they get the people what
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: they want, people what they want, like totally, but also
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: ultimately you you should know that they're gonna. Of course,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: you're in a vulnerable place and you're holding by a thread,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: so you want to believe it. I get it, I
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: get it. But she feeds him soup, Yeah, and gets
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: the message from Senna. I was like, that wasn't a
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: kiss to like lean into it, more like do a kiss,
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they get a note, but just kind of Yeah.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: It's sad because Peter really do love like he loves
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: her and she has like so far, like you had
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: no feelings for him, right, Like she was like, this
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: is all make.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: Believe, you know, I think, And I think it's more
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: complicated than that. I think she has fondness for him,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: and I think she has like an interest in him,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: and I think she has.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: Love for him.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: But it's like it's she's she already loves someone and
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: she's not interested.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: Well that's what I was telling you. But she feels
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: awkward around him, She feels shamed that he fed her.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: She like she's you know, like it's a loaded relationship,
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: a loaded relationship, but at this point she has actually
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: never considered him, you know what I mean.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: Like, and then the trauma bond is definitely strong.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: That happens after right, like yeah, she's like, oh my god,
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: I get to save someone. I get to leave this
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: fucking place with someone. This person now becomes so exactly.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: They're forming the narrative exactly. So so there, that's why
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: it's the corruption is interesting because if they're informing the
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: whole story and their laura the game even though they're
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: not participating.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: In it, and then they becomes real.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they get sent little packets for the rest of
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: the game, their little HP points, and the Redhead girl
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 3: runs and grabs hers, and then Catness goes to get
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 3: hers and then fights a lady who I guess, Wait,
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 3: is that guy that guy who's in District eleven.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: As well or district he saves?
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: No, he saves eleven like.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: A partner or no, he's from the.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: Partner is in Like they're not all in love with
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: each other?
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, So what has happened is Kato?
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: So this bitch that attacks cats is a part of
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: this alpha. It's about of a click right, and she
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: is like trying to kill her, and then she's revealing
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: all we killed Rue, and we're going to kill you,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: and then we're going to kill your partner. And the
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: guy from District eleven realizes that they have killed.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: Smashes her head. It was like.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: It was so good. Oh my god, that like it
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: gave me amazing, It was so good. He kills her
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: and then saves Catness and says, just this one time
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: for Rue and such a good television District eleven, who
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: is already rioting right, So the fire is happening the
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: and this is I think also what the you know,
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: the story wants to tell us is that the love
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: and the solidarity is what brings people to fight for
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: something they believe. And it's not the fact that we're
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: all fucking wolves towards each other. You know, No one
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: wants to fight for that that.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: We all have skills and that we need each other.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: Even fight for the fact that we're all evil. We
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: want to fight to believe we're good.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 3: Because because the thing, the the like, even the the
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: like NPC guys are fucking like like teary eyed for
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: when Peta is like putting on the vasoline on her
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: head or whatever, and Pizza like has enough blood to
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: flow into his penis. Oh yeah, yeah, and he's definitely
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 3: hung too.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: Were talking about it, like nothing makes you horny as
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: near death experience experience like being hunted, dirty and injured,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: it is hot.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're also like they also get to the
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: point where it's it's not just like trauma bonding, it's
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: also like because they finger their wounds and and then yeah,
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 3: you finger each other's wounds and and like like what
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: ends up happening is they they get better and they're
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 3: like we can win. Like there's also that solidarity. We
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 3: also didn't mention, uh, watching them getting caught fingering.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: This is where this is where he gets caught, where he.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: Becomes his identity cos just watching it. Well, first she's like,
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: take care of my family, no matter what you do,
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: take care of them. He's still taking care of her family. Yeah,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: he's Yeah. She tells him a story later that it
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: was all make believe, but he knows the sadness in
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: his eyes as Miley left, As Miley left him, yeah,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: it was real.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: And then you know, canness is about to hit. I
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: think like a bird if she's about to like and
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: she hears a cannon and freaks out that that it's
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: pet peta.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this this this scene is all all about
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: like how stupid men are, specifically Peter in this situation,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: Like how unequipped to survive he is, because it turns
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: out that he was gathering so like berries and they're
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: fucking poisonous.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they realize part of it, realizes that it's
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 3: poisonous because the girl with the red hair dyed.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: My favorite girl proxy, Yeah, canns proxy without support. The
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: one that's alone was just shadowing them and saw Pita
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: gathering this food and she was hungry and she ate
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: it and she fucking died. What a tragedy.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: You don't like, not to be like a bummer. But
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 3: also in part it felt like some of the times
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: for the length of the movie, like Running Man is
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 3: a shorter movie than this, and there's so many random
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 3: characters in that movie, and they all have such intense personalities,
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: and they do have this in this movie.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: They do it in a different way, but they do.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: Everyone has such an intense personality.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: They do, but they it's just like you think that
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: more efficiency, not just more efficiency, but like this was
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: made during a recession, dude, I mean honestly.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 3: Like, it's just it, You're right, As a kid, I
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: would have loved this, and it's I'm just not a kid,
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: you know, And it's it's just like I want to
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 3: be as excited as you guys are, but it will be.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: But I okay, I will be. I mean you might
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: not be. Who cares. I'm still doing it.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I I mean, like, I watched a movie,
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 3: and I enjoy watching movies, did this and we did.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: The thing that The thing that bothers me a little
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: bit about your non enjoyment of this movie, or the
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: elements of your non enjoyment of this movie, is that, like,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: I know the things that are bothering you, but you're
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: wrong about all the things that are bothering you. You
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: know what what you're what you're all of the like
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: kind of like things that you're saying that like, no,
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: like that you didn't like about the movie. I feel
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: like you're gonna get answers that you're really satisfied with.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna get lore that you're that makes
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: this movie better.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: Of course. Yeah, I'm dude, I'm hedging my bets. Like
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not like saying like I'm in this. It's not
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: like I'm not like denigrating the movie in any way,
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: am I. I'm not being like, this movie is.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: A fucking piece of shit.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: You're wrong, You're wrong. I'm trying to engage with its
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: also to be I'm not I'm also not saying this
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: is the best thing that I've ever made, Like you
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like this was my like the
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: trilogy of me being sick and thinking about things, and
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: like I love it for like a specific context, in
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: a specific way, for a specific Yeah, Like I'm not
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: saying this is the best movie that ever came out
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: of the cinema, you know, like or the best story
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: or anything. It's just fun. What I will say.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: What I will say is for all the not great
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: CGI fire, this CGI Dog Dogs. It's really scary. It's
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: really good obviously because it's nighttime and they can do it,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 3: but like, good for them for doing it this way. Yeah,
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 3: it looks really good.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: It's really intense, and there's a moment, Yeah, there's a
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: moment when they realize Peta and Cateness realize, oh my god,
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: we can fucking win this, Like there's no other couples,
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: like from the same district. They can win, like almost
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: everyone is fucking dead, Like we can do this.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: Well that in combination with the fact that they know
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: that the game makers are escalating the situation in order
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: to make it the game the game ender, they're doing
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: the game ender because they're like, oh, it's close to them. Yeah,
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: a bunch of ship.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: Dogs are cool.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: The dogs are cool, very very cool. Peta fight and
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: cat is fighting this this uh district one loser yea.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: So they're running away from the dogs. The dogs are great.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: It's night time and I was like, oh, they need
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: to make it a daytime because people are watching like
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: it's finale, Like you can't have a finale in the
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: dark anyway. So they're running and running and running towards
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: this like I don't even know what it is, but
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: it looks like a socialist monument structure.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: It's like a.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: Structure. It's it's very sharp angles, you know, and they
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: climb on top of it, and the dogs of course
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: can't because fucking slippery, you know, you know what I mean?
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: Like the dogs get it anyway, it's just the three
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: of them. It's the the evil guy that district one
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: guy that our man Harreson hates, and yeah, so it's
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: he's the representation of I love the system, I thrive
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: in the system, guy who is set up to win.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: He's the only one left. And I love how it's
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: such an arc for him. I loved it. His comments
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: this moment are really insightful.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: It's really interesting because he's like, I know I'm dead,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: and like the I just realized.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: I just realized.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: I just realized, And like it's interesting because even the
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 3: like worst of the worst in this situation is still
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: suffering in some way. It's the on a realizing that
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: people here are all wealthy.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: He's me realizing that even here on the loser loser
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: not that much better. But he grabs peta.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: Man. I will say, Okay, I enjoyed the idea of peta.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 3: Back to the Future Part three, little boy pointing at
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 3: his petas, Oh my god, that was but doing it
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: several times. I was like, okay, dude, we see you gently,
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 3: but I did. I did agree that it's it was
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 3: awesome that it was like, okay, like do it like
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: this because maybe I'll survive.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was so good because the guy from
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: the first dist was like, oh, I'm already dad, Like,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: you just need to kill one of us and doesn't matter.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: It's either I'm still gonna get my last kill.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you still like I can kill this guy. You're
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: gonna kill me, or we're both gonna die. Either way,
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: you were winning. I realize that now it's over right.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 3: And then but putting him out of his misery.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: Was so good. It shows for humanity and them.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: Never kissing outside of that one scene, just being like
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna hug you. You're my friend, dude.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because it shows that Okay, okay, I guess
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: we survived this situation and.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: They're like, okay, we're done. But they're like the rules
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: of change, which I found.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like this was a nice moment of like
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 3: ups and downs for me in the movie because like
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 3: sometimes I really like when a movie is like do
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: I like you?
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: There's this movie called Raw, which both of you really love,
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 3: where what.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: I think I've seen it the Little Girl who's the
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: I've seen ravenous never mind, oh ravenous.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Raw is great, and the Raw is a movie
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: where it's like is this a good movie? And then
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 3: it is by Tutan. The woman who directed Tutan the
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 3: case keeps suggesting to you and me and like this
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: this part of changing rules, not changing rules that it
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 3: was kind of like a teasing.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't want to include monete exchange in
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: this one.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: But the berries taking the berries with them to be like,
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 3: all right, we're both killing ourselves for this because they
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 3: will they won't, they won't, they'll kill us if if
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: or they will kill one of us, and we want
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 3: to keep our who we are. That was great because
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: it's set up so nicely by.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: Peta being like she was like trust me. So do
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: you think that she was actually gonna let or actually
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: wanted to kill both?
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: I think both of them. I think both of them
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: because of the fact that Peta was definitely going to
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: do it because he was like, I'm not letting them
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: control who I am, and that's their first kind of
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: connection with each other. And I think that she would
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 3: have done it out of solid area. Yes, I think
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 3: they're both brave enough to be like I want to
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: be me despite having the idea that like, I want
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: to take care of my sister, she does know that
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: co Hemsworth is going to actually keep to his word, does.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: She I don't know.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean she has nothing else.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you think she was ready to die.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 3: I think she was given the fact that, like if
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: both of them, she didn't want to kill Pete. She
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 3: had done so much to save him at this point already.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she wasn't going to kill him.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: She she wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna kill her. So
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: it's either they're gonna get killed by them, by the system,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: or she's gonna kill herself, right, which which influences the
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: fact that she's gonna be She's going to retain herself
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: in this moment, right, I don't know.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: That's just me, that's for my like, I don't know that.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: I think. I'm not sure. Maybe they wanted to present
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: her as super smart and knowing that they're not going
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: to let that happen because they can't not have a winner.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: But it's a bluff.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 3: You think I thought it would bluff, as in, she
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 3: was gonna bluff Peter. I thought I was responding to sorry.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: I thought that she was gonna be like a vicious
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: terrible Oh my god, No.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: No, I because she tells him trust me, like I'm
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: doing a thing like that she knew that they're not
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: gonna let did say that even earlier. Yeah, yeah, but
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: ultimately yeah, okay, okay, okay, it's twitters, it's it's change
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: as well. Stupid. I feel like the gay maker did
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: make a wrong choice here because in terms of like narrative, story, arc, fantasy, legend,
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: like to have Romeo and Juliet story and no winners
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: would be better than to keep them both alive.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: No, I disagree, because then if someone winning is the
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: whole point of the game.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: It's to provide that what's it called pope.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: And that's why that's why they say no the rules
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: have changed, one winner wins because they only use they
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: were trying the tooth with their relationship. That shows that
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: the whole thing with the relationship.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: Was a lie to begin with. No, or that they
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: wanted to they wanted to say that this is who
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: we are, right like we will kill even people will
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: love to be exactly because it needs to keep the
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: illusion of the because when presidents know is what I'm saying.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: Because after we find out that the game make her
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: let them. When the game maker gets the berries, that's
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: true because he gave them because President Snow knows that
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: he has given the people too much hope. Yeah, he's
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: now created a fisher in the society, and if they die,
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: they could just be the the legend of a loving
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: couple of made the wrong choice. I feel like the
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: game answer make the wrong choice in supporting the system as.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: It is, oh Man, and then that that's kind of
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: I think that's true because he does say that ominous
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: thing where he's like, they must be very proud of you, right,
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 3: Snow says that to her directly, right.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, And I think that the way that
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: their relationship is going to develop is is also really interesting.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: I do feel like they had in mind that they
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: were going to make sequels, but it does feel like
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: this movie can very much rest on its own Laurels
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: and I really.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: Like, I agree.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: I agree that's I really appreciated that about the movie too.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: The fact that I interrupted, no, no, I was just
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: going to say, I was just going to say, yeah,
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: it just the the the notion that if it didn't
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: get a sequel, that I'm happy enough that the characters
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: are every character post this is on edge still and
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 3: like they're happy. It's a happy ish ending because they survived,
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: but the notion that it could happen again, or it
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: could happen to your loved ones. Uh, the world is
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 3: still dystopian, that's the sort of there's still a tragedy
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: to it.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the the the end, the end of the
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: movie is like, there's no prize or anything, just go
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: back get they they come back to their district and
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: they're like holding him. Yeah. The cut hams where it
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: is they're holding her sister on his extra cut, extra cut,
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: And then the end scene is just presidents now being
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: seeing it and being like.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: Wait, how does it? What else happens?
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: There's more that they go on the train or they're
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 3: they're told they're given the she's given the crown, and yeah,
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: they get on the train.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: No, there's nothing, they just go back.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: They just they go back.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: They're holding hands, the everyone's happy that they're back and
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: the presidents know is the last scene.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay of him seeing that threat. How many how
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: many how many mocking jays are we giving this first installment?
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: I am giving it twelve out of ten mocking for
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: the twelve districts.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean listen, like now that I'm the first
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: time I saw it. I felt very similarly to you.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: I felt kind of like, I don't know, like fine,
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: you know, like even even my like on the rewatch,
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, you know, it's really good, like
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: it's fun.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: Not I like, let's let's watch it.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: But like as I was rewatching it, I was like, man,
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: there's so much stuff that I'm like now noticing with
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: the lore that like gets introduced in this way that
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 1: like gives the story so much more meaning. So I'm
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: really I'm not disappointed that you didn't like it as
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 1: much as I or wanted you do this time. I'm
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: actually excited for you in many ways because I'm like,
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: you don't even know, dude, it's amazing.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: The thing is, like, when the reason I think that
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: movies and the important importance of being like movies as
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 3: kids is because when you're a kid, you both don't
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: have the patients and have a lot of patients for
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 3: law and like building lore.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: So that's so true.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 3: Like the thing is, you know, when you're a kid,
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 3: you're pretty open to everything. When you're an adult thirty
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 3: five old man, you're like tastes are pretty solidified and
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 3: like you know, I mean, that's that's it's it's hard
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 3: to not uh like evoke bias in that. But like
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, as a movie, like it's like hyper competently made.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: You directed it, Gary Ross.
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: I think the name is hold On.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: It's interesting the way that Gary Ross. It's interesting the
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 1: way that the aesthetic of the movie evolves in kind
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 1: of a way that Matrix wanted to but didn't really succeed.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to talking more about the fashion and
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: the visual.
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just because this, like I'm not a big fan
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 3: of handheld.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: Like they stopped doing that.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 3: They do the handheld is very much like we got
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 3: to make this like exciting. Yeah, but what like but
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 3: like we are running a little low on money, so
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 3: let's like, you know, like do something right. And also
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 3: it is the sort of I mean, it's a very
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 3: twenty tens kind of vibe of like okay, we need
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 3: to like ground this very specific world, whereas like now
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 3: if you notice, like sci fi does a lot of
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: like still very like oh we're moving with the thing.
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: We're just like okay, this is the world, right, whereas
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 3: like these kinds of movies feel like they need to
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 3: justify things, which you know, what this does it better
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: than like some of the other like ya movies, Twilight.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 3: I've been we've been watching Twilight and they're terrible.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: They're so terrible. I mean, they're fun to watch. This
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: is fun to watch.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 3: It's just like a very competently made movie. So like,
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 3: but in terms of like Mocking Jays, how much would
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 3: I give it? Is that like the that's the Schwarz Yeah,
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, not the sort, that's not the shorts. That's
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 3: just the symmetrics. We're not doing star rating.
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: We're doing it's not a star rating. It's as mocking.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, mocking j Okay. I'm gonna give it like a
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 3: solid seven point five. It's more of an eight than
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 3: a six, so, like, you know, like seven point five.
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 3: I enjoyed it.
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna give it.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: I was gonna give it a I was gonna give
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: it like you give it a twelve. I mean, I
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: don't know if i'd give it a ten out of
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: ten perfect Mocking Jay.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 2: I think I would give it an eight because it
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: still has that kind of like it is an American movie.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: It still has that well. I mean, if I was
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: to do the scale of Mocking J's, is the most
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: mocking Jay of mocking J's. But if the scale is
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: like how good this movie is in general, yeah, that's why. Yeah. Yeah,
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: I mean I don't know how you do your thing,
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: like you know, yeah, there's.
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: So yeah, well we don't have a criteria for this.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be I think it's going to develop as
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: we go.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's so funny. As a movie, I would
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 2: just say it was like when I was sick. When
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: I was sick and needing something to watch, it was
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: extremely entertaining.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 3: That's like, I think that's totally the way.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: The reason I love the movie is the way that
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 2: how how like how everything fits in this world. I
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: love how they've created this world and how many embellishments
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: and details it has. You're hungry for more.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 3: I think we're hungry for We're all hungry for more.
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 3: The thing that I want to say just from that one,
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 3: because I think that's important. I've been experiencing a lot
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 3: of very toxic fandom lately because of the Internet spaces
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 3: that have occupied and and I want to stress that
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 3: I think it's really important to have those types of
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 3: movies where you're like, oh, like I want to defend it,
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 3: and that's that's a good thing. It just it kind
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 3: of sucks when there is like this thing of like
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 3: it occupies your entire life, and it's like it's kind
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 3: of crazy that like you guys aren't doing this, and
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 3: I don't do this either. I don't understand.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: It's like sports, like yeah, like extreme fandom, extreme fandom,
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: and it's like we we love like reality TV, we
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: love drag Race. We're big fans, but we're not extreme fans.
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: You know, like we wouldn't go and send hate to anyone,
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like we wouldn't like go
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: online and be like this fucking bitch.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 3: You know what to me is that like like the
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 3: especially the Star Wars fans and the Lord of the
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 3: Rings fans, they're so like like you've ruined something of
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 3: mine and it's like number one yo, who can still
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 3: have so little in life? Yeah exactly exactly, And it's
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 3: just like, you know, not to get on off pH
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 3: of tangent, but like I'm I'm like, I'm glad that
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 3: you guys found a new thing. Like I'm hoping that
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 3: it'll be a new thing for me too. I'm totally
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 3: willing and totally open.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: To it be because like it's.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 3: Very very like well made and everybody's story.
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  Speaker 2: Like if I would show it to you know, my
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  Speaker 2: daughters or myself, I would show it to myself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. It's like it's it feels like like modern
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  Speaker 3: versions of like never Ending Story. Was this type of
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  Speaker 3: movie for me?
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  Speaker 1: Or it's you know what, regardless of where you fall
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  Speaker 1: on the spectrum of like politically. What I like about
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  Speaker 1: it is regardless of where you fall on the spectrum politically,
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  Speaker 1: even within these kind of niche because it cleverly doesn't
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  Speaker 1: ever give anyone and it makes it open so that
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  Speaker 1: you can say, maga, or so that I can make
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  Speaker 1: the the like the different kinds of like comparisons right
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  Speaker 1: like of geopolitics and of like world stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just can I just finish? I think it
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  Speaker 1: cleverly like creates the It cleverly creates the the the
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 1: biosphere necessary to be able to tell the kinds of
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  Speaker 1: stories that can unfold in situations like this, and that
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  Speaker 1: creates a good opportunity for relationships and stories. And that's why, like,
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: so it is in a way, like what Anna saying,
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  Speaker 1: like it's like there's an anti revolutionary bent because it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but these are all stories and narratives that we tell
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  Speaker 1: of each other. So it kind of trivializes this thing
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  Speaker 1: and it makes it like a parable right.
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  Speaker 2: For young adults. It also simplifies the things it palatable
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  Speaker 2: for concepts for young people totally.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing is, the thing is, when you're a reactionary,
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what your politics are, Like the fact
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: the Star Wars is also for young people. It's a
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  Speaker 3: paired down parable that has very like, let's call them
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  Speaker 3: two dimensional characters because they're not like it's not like
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 3: all like a hound solo as a fucking she's a
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 3: good actor, but but they're and and loose Skywaker, those
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 3: are like they're like not they're like not that they're
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  Speaker 3: pretty paper thin. But the thing is the reason people
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 3: cling to those things is because they're reactionaries. And who
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 3: can harness reactionaries better than right wingers is right wing
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  Speaker 3: right wingers fucking harness reactionaries. So twenty years from now,
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 3: when people are like, oh, I love those movies when
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 3: I was a kid, and they make the woke or
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 3: whatever fucking woke equivalent is from twenty years from now,
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: people will cling to those ones, I mean and be like,
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 3: you know, dness was the thing, and then you.
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  Speaker 1: Can argue that about the newest one, but it won't.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that well and it's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the newest one is it's too close to the original,
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  Speaker 2: right where it's like, no, there's a decade that's interesting.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: There's it's eleven years.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's eleven years and it's a prequel.
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  Speaker 3: Oh there you go, Well this is the thing, and
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 3: it's a hard prequel, like like equals. The first pre
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 3: prequels that made everyone hate Star Wars was the prequels
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 3: of Star Wars, and now people love those movies and
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 3: they hate the new three. And that's what the worst
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 3: part about it is that like it ends up being
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 3: instead of because I end up defending these I like
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  Speaker 3: none of these movies.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's so interesting because I have no context.
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  Speaker 2: But I have literally have no idea who likes Hunger
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  Speaker 2: Games like I've like my That's why I have no
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  Speaker 2: context to it.
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  Speaker 3: That's why there's a purity to to your guys's joy
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 3: because you're not really part of the fan bases.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't even know necessarily how
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 1: much of a big fan base this this series has,
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: Like I know that.
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: It's oh, I think people have. Like I was at
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: the party and there was some young people and we
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 2: were like, oh, should we watch a movie? Like it
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 2: was like something and I was like, so, I was like,
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: what should we watch? And I was like, let's which
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: Hunger Games. The youngs love it, and then we asked
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: like actual younger it was like, oh.
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  Speaker 5: My god, I love Hunger It is like it's it's
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 5: like young people do, like, yeah, they love It's Pantheon, dude,
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 5: especially ten years from now where they're like when they're
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 5: twenty and they're still kids and they're like, oh, when
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 5: we were.
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 3: Kids and shut up. Well, so like yeah, so you know,
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 3: So I'm excited for the rest of the series too.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm excited. I'm excited for you, and also I'm.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 3: Really excited for Jennifer Lawrence. I'm excited for Jennifer Lawrence
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 3: to do more stuff. And I'm now that you talk,
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 3: do you guys talk about pizza, I'm like, I'm even
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 3: more excited about dumpy, weird looking pizza.
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  Speaker 2: He's also like a really good actor.
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 1: He's just like, are you excited for Philip se or Hoffin.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, what actually I was gonna say. Pizza is the
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 3: kind of guy who's like could pull off a Philip
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 3: zemer Hoff and being like weird.
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: Looking guy, being like a character actor.
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  Speaker 1: I'm down.
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  Speaker 2: I like when Philip Hoffins shows up in the movies, Dude,
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: That's when I'm very excited. Anyway, follows presents on Instagram
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