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18 - The Pilgrim's Progress - John Bunyan · Philosophy and Faith

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  Speaker 1: Part one, the ninth stage. And I slept and dreamed again,
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  Speaker 1: and saw the same two pilgrims going down the mountains
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  Speaker 1: along the highway towards the city. Now a little below
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  Speaker 1: these mountains, on the left hand lieth the country of Conceit,
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  Speaker 1: from which country there comes into the way in which
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  Speaker 1: the pilgrims walked a little crooked lane. Here therefore they
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  Speaker 1: met with a very brisk lad that came out of
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  Speaker 1: that country. His name was Ignorance. So Christen asked him
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  Speaker 1: from what parts he came and whither he was going. Ignorance, sir,
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  Speaker 1: I was born in the country that lieth off there
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  Speaker 1: a little on the left hand, And I am going
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  Speaker 1: to the celestial city, Christian. But how do you think
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  Speaker 1: to get in at the gate? For you may find
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  Speaker 1: some difficulty there, Ignorance, as other good people do, said
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  Speaker 1: he Christian. But what have you to show at that
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  Speaker 1: gate that the gate should be open to you, Ignorance.
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  Speaker 1: I know my Lord's will and have been a good liver.
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  Speaker 1: I pay every man his own I pray fast, pay tides,
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  Speaker 1: and give alms, and have left my country for whither
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  Speaker 1: I am going, Christian. But thou camest not in at
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  Speaker 1: the wicket gate that is at the head of this way,
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  Speaker 1: Thou camest in hither through that same crooked lane. And
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  Speaker 1: therefore I fear, however thou mayst think of thyself, when
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  Speaker 1: the reckoning day shall come, thou wilt have laid to
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  Speaker 1: thy charge that thou art a thief and a robber
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  Speaker 1: instead of getting admittance into the city ignorance. Gentlemen, ye
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  Speaker 1: be utter strangers to me. I know you not be
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  Speaker 1: content to follow the religion of your country, and I
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  Speaker 1: will follow the religion of mine. I hope all will
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  Speaker 1: be well. And as for the gate that you talk of,
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  Speaker 1: all the world knows that it is a great way
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  Speaker 1: off of our country. I cannot think that any man
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  Speaker 1: in all our parts doth so much as know the
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  Speaker 1: way to it, Nor need they matter whether they do
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  Speaker 1: or no, since we have, as you see, a fine, pleasant,
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  Speaker 1: green lane that comes down from our country the next
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  Speaker 1: way into the way. When Christians saw that the man
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  Speaker 1: was wise in his own conceit, he said to hope,
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  Speaker 1: for whisperingly, there is more hope of a fool than
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  Speaker 1: of him Proverbs twenty six twelve. And said, moreover, when
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  Speaker 1: he that is a fool walketh by the way. His
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  Speaker 1: wisdom faileth him, and he saith to every one that
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  Speaker 1: he is a fool Ecclesiases ten three. What shall we
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  Speaker 1: talk farther with him, or outgo him at present? And
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  Speaker 1: so leave him to think of what he hath heard already,
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  Speaker 1: and then stop again for him afterwards, and see if
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  Speaker 1: by degrees we can do any good to him. Then
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  Speaker 1: said Hopeful, let ignorance a little while now muse on
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  Speaker 1: what is said, and let him not refuse good counsel
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  Speaker 1: to embrace, lest he remained still ignorant of what's the
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  Speaker 1: chiefest gain. God saith those that no understanding have, although
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  Speaker 1: he made them them, he will not save. Hopeful. He
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  Speaker 1: further added, it is not good, I think, to say
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  Speaker 1: so to him all at once. Let us pass him by,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, and talk to him anon, even as
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  Speaker 1: he is able to bear it. So they both went
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  Speaker 1: on in ignorance. He came after. Now, when they had
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  Speaker 1: passed him a little way, they entered into a very
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  Speaker 1: dark lane, where they met a man whom seven devils
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  Speaker 1: had bound with seven strong chords, and were carrying him
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  Speaker 1: back to the door that they saw on the side
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  Speaker 1: of the hill. Matthew twelve forty five Proverbs five twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: Now good Christian began to tremble, and so did hope
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  Speaker 1: for his companion. Yet as the devils led away, the
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  Speaker 1: man Christian looked to see if he knew him, and
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  Speaker 1: he thought it might be one turn away that dwelt
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  Speaker 1: in the town of Apostasy. But he did not perfectly
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  Speaker 1: see his face, for he did hang his head like
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  Speaker 1: a thief that is found. But being gone past Hopeful
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  Speaker 1: looked after him and spied on his back a paper
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  Speaker 1: with this inscription Wanton professor and damnable of Pastate. Then
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  Speaker 1: said Christian to his fellow. Now I call to remembrance
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  Speaker 1: that which was told me of a thing that happened
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  Speaker 1: to a good man hereabout the name of the man
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  Speaker 1: was little Faith, but a good man, and he dwelt
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  Speaker 1: in the town of Sincere. The thing was this at
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  Speaker 1: the entering at this passage they comes down from Broadway Gate,
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  Speaker 1: a lane called dead Man's Lane, so called because of
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  Speaker 1: the murders that are commonly done there. And this little Faith,
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  Speaker 1: going on pilgrimage as we do now, chanced to sit
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  Speaker 1: down there and sleep. Now they happened at that time
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  Speaker 1: to come down the lane from Broadway gate. Three sturdy rogues,
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  Speaker 1: and their names were faint Heart, Mistrust, and Guilt. Three brothers,
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  Speaker 1: and they a spying a little Faith where he was,
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  Speaker 1: came galloping up with speed. Now the good man was
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  Speaker 1: just awaked from his sleep and was getting up to
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  Speaker 1: go on his journey. So they came up all to him,
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  Speaker 1: and with threatening language bid him stand. At this Little
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  Speaker 1: Faith looked as white as a sheet, and had neither
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  Speaker 1: power to fight nor fly. Then said faint Heart, deliver
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  Speaker 1: thy purse. But he making no haste to do it,
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  Speaker 1: for he was loath to lose his money. Mistrust ran
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  Speaker 1: up to him, and, thrusting his hands into his pocket,
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  Speaker 1: pulled out thence a bag of silver. Then he cried out, thieves, thieves,
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  Speaker 1: with that Guilt, with a great club that was in
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  Speaker 1: his hand, struck Little Faith on the head, and with
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  Speaker 1: that blow felled him flat to the ground, where he lay,
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  Speaker 1: bleeding as one that would bleed to death. All this
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  Speaker 1: while the thieves stood by. But at last they, hearing
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  Speaker 1: that some were upon the road, and fearing lest it
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  Speaker 1: should be one great grace that dwells in the town
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  Speaker 1: of good Confidence, they betook themselves to their heels, and
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  Speaker 1: left this good man to shift for himself. Now, after
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  Speaker 1: a while little faith came to himself, and getting up,
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  Speaker 1: made shift to scramble on his way. This was the story, Hopeful.
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  Speaker 1: But did they take from him all that ever he had? Christian? No,
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  Speaker 1: the place where his jewels were they never ransacked, so
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  Speaker 1: those he kept still. But as I was told, the
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  Speaker 1: good man was much afflicted for his loss, for the
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  Speaker 1: thieves got most of his spending money. That which they
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  Speaker 1: got not, as I said, were jewels. Also, he had
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  Speaker 1: a little odd money left, but scarce enough to bring
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  Speaker 1: him to his journey's end. Nay, if I was not misinformed,
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  Speaker 1: he was forced to beg as he went to keep
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  Speaker 1: himself alive. For his jewels he might not sell, but
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  Speaker 1: bege and do what he could. He went, as we say,
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  Speaker 1: with many a hungry belly, the most part of the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the way First Peter four eighteen Hopeful. But
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  Speaker 1: is it not a wonder they got not from him
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  Speaker 1: his certificate by which he was to receive his admittance
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  Speaker 1: at the celestial gate Christian? It is a wonder, but
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  Speaker 1: they got not that though they missed it, not through
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  Speaker 1: any good cunning of his, for he, being dismayed by
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  Speaker 1: they coming upon him, had neither power nor skill to
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  Speaker 1: hide anything. So it was more by good providence than
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  Speaker 1: by his endeavor that they missed out on that good
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  Speaker 1: thing two Timothy one twelve to fourteen tewod Peter two
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  Speaker 1: nine hopeful, But it must needs be a comfort to him.
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  Speaker 1: They got not this jewel from him, Christian. It might
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  Speaker 1: have been a great comfort to him, had he used
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  Speaker 1: it as he should. But they that told me the
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  Speaker 1: story said that he made but little use of it
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  Speaker 1: all the rest of the way, and that because of
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  Speaker 1: the dismay that he had in their taking away his money,
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  Speaker 1: indeed he forgot it a great part of the rest
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  Speaker 1: of his journey. And besides, when at any time it
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  Speaker 1: came into his mind and he began to be comforted therewith,
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  Speaker 1: then would fresh thoughts of his loss come again upon him,
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  Speaker 1: and these thoughts would swallow up all hopeful las poor man.
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  Speaker 1: This could not but be a great grief to him,
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  Speaker 1: Christian grief I a grief. Indeed, would it not have
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  Speaker 1: been so to any of us had we been used
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  Speaker 1: as he to be robbed and wounded too? And that
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  Speaker 1: in a strange place as he was. It is a
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  Speaker 1: wonder he did not die with grief, poor heart. I
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  Speaker 1: was told that he scattered almost all the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the way with nothing but doleful and bitter complaints, telling
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  Speaker 1: also to all that overtook him, or that he overtook
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  Speaker 1: in the way as he went where he was robbed,
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  Speaker 1: and how who they were that did it, and what
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  Speaker 1: he had lost, how he was wounded, and that he
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  Speaker 1: hardly escaped with life hopeful. But it is a wonder
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  Speaker 1: that his necessity did not put him upon selling or
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  Speaker 1: pawning some of his jewels, that he might have wherewith
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  Speaker 1: to relieve himself in his journey. Christian talkest like one
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  Speaker 1: upon whose head is the shell, to this very day,
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  Speaker 1: for what should he pawn them? Or to whom should
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  Speaker 1: he sell them? In all that country where he was robbed,
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  Speaker 1: his jewels were not accounted of, nor did he want
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  Speaker 1: that relief which could from thence be administered to him. Besides,
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  Speaker 1: had his jewels been missing at the gate of the
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  Speaker 1: celestial city, he had, and that he knew well enough,
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  Speaker 1: been excluded from an inheritance there, and that would have
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  Speaker 1: been worse to him than the appearance and villainy of
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  Speaker 1: ten thousand thieves. Hopeful, why art thou so tart? My
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  Speaker 1: brother Esau sold his birthright, and that for a mess
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  Speaker 1: of pottage Hebrews twelve sixteen. And that birthright was his
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  Speaker 1: greatest jewel. And if he, why might not little Faith
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  Speaker 1: do so too? Christian Esau did sell his birthright indeed,
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  Speaker 1: and so do many besides, and by so doing exclude
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  Speaker 1: themselves from the chief blessing, as also that kitif did.
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  Speaker 1: But you must put a difference betwixt Esau and Little Faith,
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  Speaker 1: and also betwixt their estates. Esau's birthright was typical, but
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  Speaker 1: little Faith's jewels were not. So. Esau's belly was his god,
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  Speaker 1: but Little Faith's belly was not so. Esau's want lay
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  Speaker 1: in his fleshly appetite, little faiths did not. So. Besides,
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  Speaker 1: Esau could see no further than to the fulfilling of
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  Speaker 1: his lusts. For I am at the point to die,
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  Speaker 1: said he, And what good will this birthright do me?
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  Speaker 1: Genesis twenty five thirty two. But little Faith, though it
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  Speaker 1: was his lot to have. But a little Faith was
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  Speaker 1: by his little faith kept from such extravagances, and made
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  Speaker 1: to see and prize his jewels more than to sell them,
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  Speaker 1: as Esau did his birthright. You read not anywhere that
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  Speaker 1: Esau had faith, No, not so much as a little. Therefore,
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  Speaker 1: no marvel where the flesh only bears sway as it
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  Speaker 1: will in that man, where no faith is to resist
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  Speaker 1: if he sells his birthright and his soul and all,
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  Speaker 1: and that to the devil of hell. For it is
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  Speaker 1: with such as it is with the ass who, in
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  Speaker 1: her occasion cannot be turned away. Jeremiah too twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: When their minds are set upon their lusts, they will
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  Speaker 1: have them, whatever the cost. But little faith was of
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  Speaker 1: another temper. His mind was on things divine. His livelihood
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  Speaker 1: was upon things that were spiritual and from above. Therefore,
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  Speaker 1: to what end should he that is of such a
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  Speaker 1: temper sell his jewels had there been any that would
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  Speaker 1: have brought them to fill his mind with empty things?
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  Speaker 1: Will a man give a penny to fill his belly
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  Speaker 1: with hay? Or can you persuade the turtle dove to
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  Speaker 1: live upon carrion like the crow? Though faithless ones can
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  Speaker 1: for carn or lust, pawn or mortgage, or sell what
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  Speaker 1: they have and themselves outright to boot. Yet they that
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  Speaker 1: have faith saving faith, though but a little of it
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  Speaker 1: cannot do so here. Therefore, my brother, is thy mistake hopeful?
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  Speaker 1: I acknowledge it. But yet your severe reflection had almost
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  Speaker 1: made me angry Christian? Why I did but compare THEE
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  Speaker 1: to some of the birds that are of the brisker sort,
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  Speaker 1: who will run to and fro in untrodden paths with
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  Speaker 1: the shell upon their heads. But pass by that and
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  Speaker 1: consider the matter under debate, and all shall be well
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  Speaker 1: betwixt THEE and me Hopeful. But Christian, these three fellows,
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  Speaker 1: I am persuaded in my heart, are but a company
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  Speaker 1: of cowards? Would they have run else? Think you, as
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  Speaker 1: they did at the noise of one that was coming
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  Speaker 1: on the road. Why did not little faith pluck up
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  Speaker 1: a greater heart He might, methinks, have stood one brush
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  Speaker 1: with them, and have yielded when there had been no remedy. Christian,
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  Speaker 1: that they are cowards, many have said, but few have
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  Speaker 1: found it so in the time of trial. As for
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  Speaker 1: a great heart, little faith had none. And I perceive
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  Speaker 1: by THEE, my brother, hadst thou been the man concerned,
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  Speaker 1: Thou art but for a brush and then to yield,
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  Speaker 1: And verily, since this is the height of thy stomach.
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  Speaker 1: Now they are at a distance from us. Should they
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  Speaker 1: appear to THEE as they did to him, they might
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  Speaker 1: put THEE to second thoughts. But consider again that they
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  Speaker 1: are but journeymen thieves. They serve under the King of
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  Speaker 1: the bottomless Pit, who, if need be, will come to
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  Speaker 1: their aid himself and his voices as the roaring of
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  Speaker 1: a lion first Peter five eight. I myself have been
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  Speaker 1: engaged as this little faith was, and I found it
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  Speaker 1: a terrible thing. These three villains set upon me, and
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  Speaker 1: I beginning like a Christian to resist. They gave but
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  Speaker 1: a call, and in came their master. I would, as
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  Speaker 1: the saying is, have given my life for a penny,
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  Speaker 1: But that, as God would have it, I was clothed
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  Speaker 1: with armor of proof. Ay, and yet though I was
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  Speaker 1: so harnessed, I found it hard work to quit myself
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  Speaker 1: like a man. No man can tell what in that
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  Speaker 1: combat attends us, but he that hath been in the
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  Speaker 1: battle himself hopeful. Well, but they ran, you see when
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  Speaker 1: they did. But suppose that one great grace was in
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  Speaker 1: the way Christian. True, they have often fled, both they
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  Speaker 1: and their master, when great grace hath but appeared and
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  Speaker 1: no marvel, for he is the King's champion. But I
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  Speaker 1: trow you will put some difference between little Faith and
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  Speaker 1: the King's champion. All the king's subjects are not his champions,
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  Speaker 1: nor can they, when tried do such feats of war
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  Speaker 1: as he is. It meet to think that a little
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  Speaker 1: child should handle Goliath as David did, or that there
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  Speaker 1: should be the strength of an ox in a wren.
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  Speaker 1: Some are strong, some are weak, Some have great faith,
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  Speaker 1: some have little. This man was one of the weak,
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  Speaker 1: and therefore he went to the wall hopeful. I would
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  Speaker 1: it had been Great Grace for their sakes, Christian. If
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  Speaker 1: it had been he might have had his hands full.
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  Speaker 1: For I must tell you that though Great Grace is excellent,
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  Speaker 1: good at his weapons, and has and can, so long
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  Speaker 1: as he keeps them at sword's point, do well enough
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  Speaker 1: with them. Yet if they get within him, even faintheart,
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  Speaker 1: mistrust or the other, it shall go hard. But they
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  Speaker 1: will throw up his heels. And when a man is down,
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  Speaker 1: you know what can he do. Whoso looks well upon
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  Speaker 1: Great Grace's face will see those scars and cuts them.
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  Speaker 1: That shall easily give demonstration of what I say. YEA
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  Speaker 1: once I heard that he should say, and that when
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  Speaker 1: he was in the combat, we despaired even of life.
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  Speaker 1: How did these sturdy rogues and their fellows make David groan,
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  Speaker 1: mourn and roar yea heman Psalms eighty eight. And Hezekiah too,
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  Speaker 1: though champions in their days were forced to bestir them
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  Speaker 1: when by these assaulted, And yet notwithstanding they had their
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  Speaker 1: coats soundly brushed by them. Peter upon a time would
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  Speaker 1: go try what he could do. But though some do
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  Speaker 1: say of him that he is the prince of the Apostles,
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  Speaker 1: they handled him so that they made him at last
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  Speaker 1: afraid of a sorry girl. Besides, their king is at
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  Speaker 1: their whistle. He is never out of hearing. And if
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  Speaker 1: at any time they be put to the worst, he,
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  Speaker 1: if possible, comes in to help them. And of him,
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  Speaker 1: it is said, the sword of him layeth at him,
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  Speaker 1: cannot hold the spear, the dart, nor the habitan. He
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  Speaker 1: esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood. The
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  Speaker 1: arrow cannot make him fly. Sling stones are turned with
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  Speaker 1: him into stubble, darts are counted as stubble. He laugheth
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  Speaker 1: at the shaking of a spear. Job forty one, twenty
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  Speaker 1: six to twenty nine. What can a man do in
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  Speaker 1: this case? It is true if a man could, at
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  Speaker 1: every turn have job's horse, and had skill and courage
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  Speaker 1: to ride him, he might denotable things. For his neck
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  Speaker 1: is clothed with thunder, he will not be afraid as
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  Speaker 1: a grasshopper. The glory of his nostrils is terrible. He
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  Speaker 1: poureth in the valley and rejoiceth in his strength. He
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  Speaker 1: goeth on to meet the armed man. He mocketh at fear,
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  Speaker 1: and is not affrighted. Neither turneth he back from the sword.
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  Speaker 1: The quiver rattleth against him, the glittering spear in the sheer.
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  Speaker 1: He swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage. Neither believeth
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  Speaker 1: he that it is the sound of the trumpet. He
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  Speaker 1: saith among the trumpets, ha ha, And he smelleth the
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  Speaker 1: battle afar off the thunder of the captains and the shoutings.
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  Speaker 1: Jove thirty nine, nineteen to twenty five. But for such
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  Speaker 1: footmen as THEE and I are, let us never desire
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  Speaker 1: to meet with an enemy, nor waunt as if we
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  Speaker 1: could do better, when we hear of others that have
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  Speaker 1: been foiled nor be tickled at the thoughts of our
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  Speaker 1: own manhood, for such commonly come by the worst when tried.
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  Speaker 1: Witness Peter, of whom I made mention before he would swagger, Aye,
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  Speaker 1: he would, he would, as his vain mind prompted him
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  Speaker 1: to say, do better and stand more for his master
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  Speaker 1: than all men. But whoso foiled and run down by
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  Speaker 1: those villains as he. When therefore we hear that such
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  Speaker 1: robberies are done on the King's highway, two things become
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  Speaker 1: us to do. One to go out harnessed, and be
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  Speaker 1: sure to take a shield with us. For it was
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  Speaker 1: for want of that that he who laid so lustily
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  Speaker 1: at Leviathan could not make him yield. For indeed, if
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  Speaker 1: that be wanting, he fears us not at all. Therefore
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  Speaker 1: he that had skill had said, above all, take the
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  Speaker 1: shield of faith, wherewith you shall be able to quench
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  Speaker 1: all the fiery darts of the wicked Ephesians six sixteen two.
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  Speaker 1: It is good also that we desire of the king
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  Speaker 1: a convoy, yea, that he will go with us himself.
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  Speaker 1: This made David rejoice when in the valley of the
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  Speaker 1: Shadow of Death, and Moses was rather for dying, where
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  Speaker 1: he stood than to go one step without his God.
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  Speaker 1: Exodus thirty three fifteen, O, my brother, if he will
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  Speaker 1: but go along with us, what need we be afraid
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  Speaker 1: of ten thousands that shall set themselves against us? Psalm
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  Speaker 1: three five to eight, twenty seven one to three. But
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  Speaker 1: without him, the proud helpers fall under the slain Isaiah
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  Speaker 1: ten four. I, for my part, have been in the
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  Speaker 1: fray before now. And though through the goodness of Him
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  Speaker 1: that is best, I am, as you see alive. Yet
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  Speaker 1: I cannot boast of any manhood. Glad shall I be
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  Speaker 1: if I meet with no more such brunts? Though I
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  Speaker 1: fear we are not got beyond all danger. However, since
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  Speaker 1: the lion and the bear have not as yet devoured me,
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  Speaker 1: I hope God will also deliver us from the next
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  Speaker 1: uncircumcised philistine. Then sang Christian, poor little faith has been
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  Speaker 1: among the thieves was robbed. Remember this who so believes?
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  Speaker 1: And get more faith than shall you victors be over
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  Speaker 1: ten thousand, else scarce over thee. So they went on,
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  Speaker 1: and ignorance followed. They went, then till they came at
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  Speaker 1: a place where they saw a way put itself into
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  Speaker 1: their way, and seemed withal to lie as straight as
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  Speaker 1: the way which they should go. And here they knew
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  Speaker 1: not which of the two to take, for both seemed
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  Speaker 1: straight before them. Therefore, here they stood still to consider.
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  Speaker 1: And as they were thinking about the way, behold a man,
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  Speaker 1: black of flesh, but covered with a very light rode
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  Speaker 1: come to them and ask them why they stood there.
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  Speaker 1: They answered they were going to the celestial city, but
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  Speaker 1: knew not which of these ways to take. Follow me,
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  Speaker 1: said the man. It is thither that I am going.
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  Speaker 1: So they followed him in the way that, but now
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  Speaker 1: came into the road, which by degrees turned and turned
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  Speaker 1: them so far from the city that they desired to
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  Speaker 1: go to, that in a little time their faces were
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  Speaker 1: turned away from it. Yet they follow him, But by
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  Speaker 1: and by, before they were aware, he led them both
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  Speaker 1: within the compass of a net, in which they were
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  Speaker 1: both so entangled that they knew not what to do.
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  Speaker 1: And with that the white robe fell off the black
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  Speaker 1: man's back. Then they saw where they were. Wherefore there
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  Speaker 1: they lay crying some time, for they could not get
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  Speaker 1: themselves out. Christian then said Christian to his fellow, Now
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  Speaker 1: do I see myself in an error? Did not the
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  Speaker 1: shepherds bid us beware of the flatterer, as is the
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  Speaker 1: saying of the wise man. So we have found it
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  Speaker 1: this day. A man that flattereth his neighbor spreadeth a
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  Speaker 1: net for his feet Proverbs twenty nine five. Hopeful. They
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  Speaker 1: also gave us a note of directions about the way,
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  Speaker 1: for our more sure finding thereof. But therein we have
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  Speaker 1: also forgotten to read, and have not kept ourselves from
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  Speaker 1: the paths of the destroyer. Here David was wiser than
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  Speaker 1: we forsaith he concerning the works of men. By the
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  Speaker 1: word of thy lips, I have kept me from the
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  Speaker 1: paths of the destroyer Psalm seventeen four. Thus they lay
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  Speaker 1: bewailing themselves in the net. At last they aspired a
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  Speaker 1: shining one come towards them with a whip of small
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  Speaker 1: cords in his hand. When he was come to the
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  Speaker 1: place where they were, he asked them whence they came,
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  Speaker 1: and what they did there. They told him that they
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  Speaker 1: were poor pilgrims going to Zion, but were led out
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  Speaker 1: of their way by a black man clothed in white,
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  Speaker 1: who bid us, said they follow him, for he was
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  Speaker 1: going thither too. Then said he with the whip. It
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  Speaker 1: is flatterer, a false apostle that hath transformed himself into
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  Speaker 1: an angel of light Daniel eleven thirty two, Second Corinthians
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  Speaker 1: eleven thirteen and fourteen. So he rented the net and
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  Speaker 1: let the men out. Then said he to them, follow me,
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  Speaker 1: that I may set you in your way again. So
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  Speaker 1: he led them back to the way which they had
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  Speaker 1: left to follow the flatterer. Then he asked them, saying,
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  Speaker 1: where did you lie the last night? They said, with
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  Speaker 1: the shepherds, upon the delectable mountains. He asked them, then,
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  Speaker 1: if they had not of the shepherds a note of
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  Speaker 1: direction for the way. They answered yes. But did you not,
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  Speaker 1: said he, when you were at a stand, pluck out
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  Speaker 1: and read your note? They answered no. He asked them why.
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  Speaker 1: They said they forgot. He asked moreover, if the shepherds
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  Speaker 1: did not bid them beware of the flatterer. They answered yes,
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  Speaker 1: But we did not imagine, said they that this fine
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  Speaker 1: spoken man had been he Erman sixteenth seventeen and eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: Then I saw in my dream that he commanded them
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  Speaker 1: to lie down, which when they did, he chastised them sore,
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  Speaker 1: to teach them the good way wherein they should walk.
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  Speaker 1: Deuteronomy twenty five two second Chronicles six twenty seven. And
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  Speaker 1: as he chast ties them, he said, as many as
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  Speaker 1: I love, I rebuke and chasten be zealous therefore and
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  Speaker 1: repent Revelations three nineteen. This done, he bids them to
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  Speaker 1: go on their way and take good heed to the
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  Speaker 1: other directions of the shepherds. So they thanked him for
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  Speaker 1: all his kindness, and went softly along the right way, singing,
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  Speaker 1: come hither, you that walk along the way. See how
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  Speaker 1: the pilgrim's fare that go astray they catched are in
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  Speaker 1: an unentangling net because they good counsel lightly did forget.
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  Speaker 1: Tis true they rescued were, But yet you see they're
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  Speaker 1: scourged to boot. Let this your caution be now. After
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  Speaker 1: a while they perceived afar off one coming softly and alone,
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  Speaker 1: all along the highway to meet them. Then said Christian
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  Speaker 1: to his fellow, yonder is a man with his back
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  Speaker 1: towards Zion, and he is coming to meet us. Hopeful
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  Speaker 1: I see him. Let us take heed to ourselves now,
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  Speaker 1: lest he should prove a flatterer. Also, so he drew
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  Speaker 1: nearer and nearer, and at last came up to them.
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  Speaker 1: His name was Atheist, and he asked them whither they
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  Speaker 1: were going, Christian, we are going to Mount Zion. Then
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  Speaker 1: Atheist fell into a very great laughter. Christian. What's the
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  Speaker 1: meaning of your laughter, Atheist? I laugh to see what
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  Speaker 1: ignorant persons you are to take upon you so tedious
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  Speaker 1: a journey. And yet I like to have nothing but
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  Speaker 1: your travel for your pains. Christian, Why man, do you
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  Speaker 1: think we shall not be received? Atheist received? There is
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  Speaker 1: not such a place as you dream of in all
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  Speaker 1: this world, Christian, but there is in the world to
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  Speaker 1: come Atheist. When I was at home in mine own country,
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  Speaker 1: I heard as you now firm, and from that hearing
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  Speaker 1: went out to see and have been seeking this city
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  Speaker 1: these twenty years, but find no more of it than
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  Speaker 1: I did the first day I set out Ecclesiastes ten fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah seventeen fifteen. Christian, we have both heard and believe
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  Speaker 1: that there is such a place to be found, Atheist.
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  Speaker 1: Had not I, when at home, believed I had not
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  Speaker 1: come thus far to seek, but finding none? And yet
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  Speaker 1: I should had there been such a place to be found,
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  Speaker 1: For I have gone to seek it farther than you,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going back again and will seek to refresh
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  Speaker 1: myself with the things that I then cast away for
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  Speaker 1: hopes of that which I now see is not Christian,
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  Speaker 1: then said Christian to hope for his companion. Is it
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  Speaker 1: true which this man hath said, hopeful? Take heed? He
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  Speaker 1: is one of the flatterers. Remember what it cost us
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  Speaker 1: once already for our hearkening to such kind of fellows?
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  Speaker 1: What no mount Zion did we not see from the
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  Speaker 1: delectable mountains the gate of the city. Also are we
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  Speaker 1: not now to walk by faith? Second Corinthians five seven.
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  Speaker 1: Let us go on, lest the man with the whip
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  Speaker 1: overtake us again. You should have taught me that lesson
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  Speaker 1: which I will sound you in the ears withal. Cease,
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  Speaker 1: my son to hear the instruction that causeth to earth
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  Speaker 1: from the words of knowledge Proverbs nineteen twenty seven. I say,
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  Speaker 1: my brother, cease to hear him, and let us believe
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  Speaker 1: to the saving of the soul. Christian, my brother, I
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  Speaker 1: did not put the question to THEE, for that I
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  Speaker 1: doubted of the truth of our belief myself, but to
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  Speaker 1: prove THEE and to fetch from THEE a fruit of
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  Speaker 1: the honesty of thy heart. As for this man, I
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  Speaker 1: know that he is blinded by the God of this world.
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  Speaker 1: Let thee and me go on, knowing that we have
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  Speaker 1: belief the truth and no lies of the truth. First
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  Speaker 1: John five twenty one. Hopeful, now do I rejoice in
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  Speaker 1: the hope of the glory of God. So they turned
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  Speaker 1: away from the man, and he, laughing at them, went
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  Speaker 1: his way. I then saw on my dream that they
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  Speaker 1: went on until they came into a certain country, whose
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  Speaker 1: air naturally tended to make one drowsy if he came
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  Speaker 1: a stranger into it. And here, Hopeful began to be
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  Speaker 1: very dull and heavy to sleep. Wherefore he said, unto Christian,
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  Speaker 1: I do now begin to grow so drowsy that I
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  Speaker 1: can scarcely hold open my eyes. Let us lie down
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  Speaker 1: here and take one nap, Christian, by no means said
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  Speaker 1: the other. Lest sleeping we never awake more Hopeful, Why,
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  Speaker 1: my brother, sleep is sweet to the laboring man. We
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  Speaker 1: may be refreshed if we take a nap. Christian, do
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  Speaker 1: you not remember that one of the shepherds bid us
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  Speaker 1: beware of the enchanted ground. He meant by that that
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  Speaker 1: we should beware of sleeping. Wherefore, let us not sleep
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  Speaker 1: as do others, but let us watch and be sober
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  Speaker 1: first Thessalonians five six. Hopeful, I acknowledge myself in a fault,
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  Speaker 1: and had I been here alone, I had, by sleeping
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  Speaker 1: run the danger of death. I see it is true
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  Speaker 1: that the wise man saith two are better than one
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  Speaker 1: Ecclesiastes four nine. Hitherto hath thy company been my mercy,
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  Speaker 1: and thou shalt have a good reward for thy labor. Christian. Now, then,
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  Speaker 1: said Christian, to prevent drowsiness in this place, let us
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  Speaker 1: fall into good discourse. Hopeful with all my heart, said
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  Speaker 1: the other Christian. Where shall we begin, hopeful where God
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  Speaker 1: began with us? But do you begin? If you please, Christian,
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  Speaker 1: I will sing you first this song when saints do
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  Speaker 1: sleepy grow, Let them come hither and hear how these
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  Speaker 1: two pilgrims talk together. Yea, let them learn of them
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  Speaker 1: in any wise, thus to keep ope their drowsy slumbering eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Saint's fellowship, if it be managed well, keeps them awake,
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  Speaker 1: and that in spite of hell. Then Christian began and said,
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  Speaker 1: I will ask you a question. How came you to
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  Speaker 1: think at first of doing what you do? Now? Hopeful?
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  Speaker 1: Do you mean? How came I at first? And look
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: after the good of my soul. Christian. Yes, that is
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  Speaker 1: my meaning. Hopeful. I continued a great while in the
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  Speaker 1: delight of those things which were seen and sold at
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: how fair, things which I believe now would have had
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I continued in them, still drowned me in perdition and destruction. Christian,
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  Speaker 1: What things were they, Hopeful, all the treasures and riches
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  Speaker 1: of the world. Also I delighted much in writing, reveling, drinking, swearing, lying, uncleanness,
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  Speaker 1: sabbath breaking, and what not that tended to destroy the soul.
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  Speaker 1: But I found at last by hearing and considering of
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  Speaker 1: things that are divine, which indeed I heard of you,
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  Speaker 1: as also of beloved Faithful that was put to death
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  Speaker 1: for his faith and good living in vanity. Fair, that
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  Speaker 1: the end of these things is death Romans six twenty
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  Speaker 1: one to twenty three. And that for these things sake
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  Speaker 1: the wrath of God cometh upon the children of disobedience
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  Speaker 1: Ephesians five six. Christian. And did you presently fall under
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  Speaker 1: the power of this conviction? Hopeful? No, I was not
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  Speaker 1: willing presently to know the evil of sin, nor the
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  Speaker 1: damnation that follows upon the commission of it. But endeavored
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  Speaker 1: when my mind at first began to be shaken with
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  Speaker 1: the word to shut mine eyes against the light thereof Christian.
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  Speaker 1: But what was the cause of your carrying of it
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  Speaker 1: thus to the first workings of God's blessed spirit upon you, Hopeful?
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  Speaker 1: The causes were one. I was ignorant that this was
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  Speaker 1: the work of God upon me. I never thought that
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  Speaker 1: by awakenings for sin, God at first begins the conversion
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  Speaker 1: of a sinner. Two. Sin was yet very sweet to
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  Speaker 1: my flesh, and I was loath to leave it. Three
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  Speaker 1: I could not tell how to part with mine old companions.
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  Speaker 1: Their presence and actions were so desirable unto me. Four
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  Speaker 1: the hours in which convictions were upon me were such
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  Speaker 1: troublesome and such heart affrighting hours that I could not
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  Speaker 1: bear know not so much as the remembrance of them
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  Speaker 1: upon my heart. Christian. Then, as it seems, sometimes you
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  Speaker 1: got rid of your trouble Hopeful, yes, verily, But it
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  Speaker 1: would come into my mind again, and then I should
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  Speaker 1: be as bad, nay worse than I was before. Christian.
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  Speaker 1: Why what was it that brought your sins to mind again? Hopeful?
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  Speaker 1: Many things as one. If I did but meet a
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  Speaker 1: good man in the streets, or two if I have
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  Speaker 1: heard any read in the Bible, or three if mine
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  Speaker 1: head did begin to ache, or four if I were
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  Speaker 1: told that some of my neighbors were sick, or five
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  Speaker 1: if I heard the bell toll for some that were dead,
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  Speaker 1: or six if I thought of dying myself, or seven
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  Speaker 1: if I heard that sudden death happened to others. Eight
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  Speaker 1: But especially when I thought of myself that I must
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  Speaker 1: quickly come to judgment Christian. And could you, at any
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  Speaker 1: time with ease get off the guilt of sin, when
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  Speaker 1: by any of these ways it came upon you, Hopeful, No,
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  Speaker 1: not I, for then they got fast hold of my conscience.
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  Speaker 1: And then if I did but think of going back
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  Speaker 1: to sin, though my mind was turned against it, it
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  Speaker 1: would be double torment to me, Christian. And how did
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  Speaker 1: you do then, Hopeful? I thought, I must endeavor to
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  Speaker 1: mend my life, for else thought I I am sure
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  Speaker 1: to be damned, Christian? And did you endeavor to mend? Hopeful? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and fled from not only my sins, but sinful company too,
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  Speaker 1: and betook me to religious duties as praying, reading, weeping
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  Speaker 1: for sin, speaking truth to my neighbors, et cetera. These things,
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  Speaker 1: did I, with many others too much here to relate, Christian?
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  Speaker 1: And did you think yourself well then, hopeful? Yes, for
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  Speaker 1: a while. But at the last my trouble came tumbling
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  Speaker 1: upon me again, and that over the neck of all
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  Speaker 1: my reformations, Christian? How came that about? Since you were
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  Speaker 1: now reformed, Hopeful? There were several things brought it upon me,
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  Speaker 1: especially such sayings as these all our righteousnesses are as
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  Speaker 1: filthy rags Isaiah sixty four six. By the works of
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  Speaker 1: the law, shall no flesh be justified Galatians two sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: When ye have done all these things, say we are
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  Speaker 1: unprofitable Luke seventeen ten, with many more such like. From
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  Speaker 1: whence I began to reason with myself. Thus, if all
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: my righteousnesses are as filthy rags, if by the deeds
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  Speaker 1: of the law, no man can be justified, And if
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: when we have done all, we are yet unprofitable, then
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  Speaker 1: is it but a folly to think of heaven by
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  Speaker 1: the law? I father thought? Thus, if a man runs
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  Speaker 1: a hundred pounds into the shopkeeper's debt, and after that
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  Speaker 1: shall pay for all that he shall fetch, Yet if
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  Speaker 1: his old debt stand still in the book uncrossed, the
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  Speaker 1: shop keeper may sue him for it and cast him
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  Speaker 1: into prison till he shall pay the debt. Christian. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and how did you apply this to yourself? Hopeful? Why
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I thought thus with myself, I have, by my sins
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: run a great way into God's book, and my now
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  Speaker 1: reforming will not pay off that score. Therefore I should
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  Speaker 1: think still under all my present amendments, But how shall
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  Speaker 1: I be freed from that damnation that I brought myself
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  Speaker 1: in danger of by my former transgressions? Christian? A very
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  Speaker 1: good application, But pray go on, Hopeful. Another thing that
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  Speaker 1: has troubled me ever since my late amendments is that
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  Speaker 1: if I look narrowly into the best of what I
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: do now, I still see sin, new sin mixing itself
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  Speaker 1: with the best of that I do, so that now
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  Speaker 1: I am forced to conclude that, notwithstanding my former fond
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: conceits of myself and duties, I have committed sin enough
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  Speaker 1: in one day to send me to hell, though my
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  Speaker 1: former life had been faultless. Christian. And what did you do, then,
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  Speaker 1: Hopeful do I could not tell what to do until
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I broke my mind to Faithful, For he and I
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: were well acquainted and he told me that unless I
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  Speaker 1: could obtain the righteousness of a man that never had sinned,
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  Speaker 1: neither mine own nor all the righteousness of the world
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  Speaker 1: could save me. Christian. And do you think he spake true? Hopeful?
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  Speaker 1: But he told me so. When I was pleased and
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: satisfied with mine own amendments, I had called him full
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: for his pains. But now since I see my own
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: infirmity and the sin which cleaves to my best performance,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I have been forced to be of his opinion. Christian.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: But did you think when at first he suggested it
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to you that there was such a man to be
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: found of whom it might justly be said that he
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: never committed sin? Hopeful, I must confess the words at
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: first sounded strangely. But after a little more talk and
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: company with him, I had full conviction about it. Christian.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: And did you ask him what man this was, and
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: how you must be justified by him? Hopeful? Yes? And
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: he told me it was the Lord Jesus that dwelleth
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: on the right hand of the Most High Hebrews. Ten
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  Speaker 1: twelve to twenty one. And thus said he you must
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  Speaker 1: be justified by him, even by trusting to what he
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  Speaker 1: had done by himself in the days of his flesh,
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  Speaker 1: and suffered when he did hang on the tree Roments
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  Speaker 1: four five, Colossians one fourteen, First Peter one nineteen. I
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  Speaker 1: asked him further how that man's righteousness could be of
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: that efficacy to justify another before God? And he told
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: me he was the mighty God and did what he
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: did and died the death, also not for himself, but
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: for me, to whom his doings and the worthiness of
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: them should be imputed. If I believed on him, Christian,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: And what did you do? Then, hopeful? I made my
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: objections against my believing, for that I thought he was
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: not willing to save me. Christian And what said faithful
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  Speaker 1: to you? Then? Hopeful? He bid me go to him
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  Speaker 1: and see. Then, when I said it was presumption, he
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  Speaker 1: said no, for I was invited to come Matthew eleven
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight. Then he gave me a book of Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: inditing to encourage me the more freely to come. And
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  Speaker 1: he said, concerning that book, that every drop in tittle
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  Speaker 1: thereof stood firmer than heaven and earth. Matthew twenty four
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  Speaker 1: thirty five. Then I asked him what I must do
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  Speaker 1: when I came, and he told me, I must entreat
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  Speaker 1: upon my knees Psalm ninety five six Daniel six ten
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  Speaker 1: with all my heart and soul Jeremiah twenty nine, twelve
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  Speaker 1: and thirteen the Father to reveal him to me. Then
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  Speaker 1: I asked him further how I must make my supplications
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  Speaker 1: to him? And he said, go and thou shalt find
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  Speaker 1: him upon a mercy seat, where he sits all the
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  Speaker 1: year long, to give pardon and forgiveness to them that
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  Speaker 1: come Exodus twenty five twenty two, Leviticus sixteen two, Numbers
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  Speaker 1: seven eighty nine, Hebrews four sixteen. I told him that
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  Speaker 1: I knew not what to say when I came, and
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  Speaker 1: he bid say to this effect, God, be merciful to me,
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  Speaker 1: a sinner, and make me to know and believe in
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. For I see that if his righteousness had
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  Speaker 1: not been or I have not faith in that righteousness,
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  Speaker 1: I am utterly cast away. Lord. I have heard that
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  Speaker 1: thou art a merciful God, and hast ordained that thy son,
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, should be the savior of the world, and
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  Speaker 1: moreover that thou art willing to bestow him upon such
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  Speaker 1: a poor sinner as I am, and I am a sinner. Indeed, Lord,
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  Speaker 1: take therefore this opportunity and magnify thy grace in the
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  Speaker 1: salvation of my soul through thy son Jesus Christ Amen Christian.
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  Speaker 1: And did you do as you were bidden? Hopeful? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Over and over and over Christian. And did the Father
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  Speaker 1: reveal the son to you, Hopeful? Not at the first,
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  Speaker 1: nor second, nor third, nor fourth, nor fifth, No, nor
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  Speaker 1: at the sixth time, neither, Christian? What did you do then, Hopeful? What? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I could not tell what to do? Christian? Had you
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  Speaker 1: not thoughts of leaving off praying? Hopeful? Yes, an hundred
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  Speaker 1: times twice, told Christian? And what was the reason you
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  Speaker 1: did not? Hopeful? I believe that it was true which
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  Speaker 1: he hath been told me to wit, that without the
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  Speaker 1: righteousness of this Christ, all the world could not save me.
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  Speaker 1: And therefore thought I with myself, if I leave off,
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  Speaker 1: I die, and I can but die at the throne
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  Speaker 1: of grace. And with all this came into my mind.
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  Speaker 1: If it tarry, wait for it, because it will surely
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  Speaker 1: come and will not tarry Hebaccuc two three. So I
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  Speaker 1: continued praying until the Father showed me his son Christian,
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  Speaker 1: and how was he revealed unto you hopeful? I did
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  Speaker 1: not see him with my bodily eyes, but with the
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  Speaker 1: eyes of my understanding Ephesians one, eighteen and nineteen. And
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  Speaker 1: thus it was one day I was very sad, I
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  Speaker 1: think sadder than at any one time in my life.
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  Speaker 1: And this sadness was through a fresh sight of the
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  Speaker 1: greatness and vileness of my sins. And as I was
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  Speaker 1: then looking for nothing but hell and the everlasting damnation
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  Speaker 1: of my soul, suddenly, as I thought, I saw the
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  Speaker 1: Lord Jesus looking down from heaven upon me, and saying,
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  Speaker 1: believe on the Lord Jesus crime, and thou shalt be
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  Speaker 1: saved Acts sixteen thirty one. But I replied, Lord, I
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  Speaker 1: am a great, a very great sinner, And he answered,
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  Speaker 1: my grace is sufficient for thee second Corinthians twelve nine.
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  Speaker 1: Then I said, but Lord, what is believing? And then
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  Speaker 1: I saw from that saying, he that cometh to me
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  Speaker 1: shall never hunger, and he that believeth on me shall
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  Speaker 1: never thirst. John six thirty five. That believing and coming
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  Speaker 1: was all one, and that he that came, that is
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  Speaker 1: that ran out in his heart and affections after salvation
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  Speaker 1: by Christ. He indeed believed in Christ. Then the water
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  Speaker 1: stood in mine eyes. And I asked further, but Lord,
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  Speaker 1: may such a great sinner as I am be indeed
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  Speaker 1: accepted of THEE and be saved by THEE. And I
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  Speaker 1: heard him say, and him that cometh to me, I
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  Speaker 1: will in no wise cast out John six thirty seven.
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  Speaker 1: Then I said, but how Lord, must I consider of
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  Speaker 1: THEE in my coming to THEE, that my faith may
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  Speaker 1: be placed a right upon THEE. Then he said, Christ
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  Speaker 1: Jesus came into the world to save sinners. First Timothy
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  Speaker 1: one fifteen. He is the end of the law for
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  Speaker 1: righteousness to every one that believes. Romans ten four and
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  Speaker 1: chapter four. He died for our sins and rose again
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  Speaker 1: for our justification Romans four twenty five. He loved us
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  Speaker 1: and washed us from our sins in his own blood.
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  Speaker 1: Revelations one five. He is the mediator between God and us.
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  Speaker 1: First Timothy two five. He ever liveth to make intercession
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  Speaker 1: for us Hebrews seven twenty five. From all which I gathered,
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  Speaker 1: that I must look for righteousness in his person and
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  Speaker 1: for satisfaction for my sins by his blood. That what
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  Speaker 1: he did in obedience to his father's law and in
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  Speaker 1: submitting to the penalty thereof was not for himself, but
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  Speaker 1: for him that will accept it for his salvation and
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  Speaker 1: be thankful. And now was my heart full of joy,
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  Speaker 1: mine eyes full of tears, and mine affections running over
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  Speaker 1: with love to the name, people, and ways of Jesus Christ. Christian,
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  Speaker 1: this was a revelation of Christ to your soul and deed.
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  Speaker 1: But tell me particularly what effect this had upon your spirit, Hopeful.
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  Speaker 1: It made me see that all the world, notwithstanding all
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  Speaker 1: the righteousness thereof, is in a state of condemnation. It
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  Speaker 1: made me see that God the Father, though he be,
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  Speaker 1: can justly justify the coming sinner. It made me greatly
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  Speaker 1: ashamed of the vileness of my former life, and confounded
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  Speaker 1: me with the sense of mine own ignorance. For there
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  Speaker 1: never came a thought into my heart before now that
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  Speaker 1: showed me so the beauty of Jesus Christ. It made
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  Speaker 1: me love a holy life and longed to do something
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  Speaker 1: for the honor and glory of the name of the
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  Speaker 1: Lord Jesus. Yea, I thought that had I now a
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  Speaker 1: thousand gallons of blood in my body, I could spill
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  Speaker 1: it all for the sake of the Lord Jesus I
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  Speaker 1: saw then in my dream that Hopeful looked back and
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  Speaker 1: saw Ignorance, whom they had left behind, coming after. Look,
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  Speaker 1: said he to Christian, how far yonder youngster loitereth behind? Christian? Aye, aye,
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  Speaker 1: I see him. He careth not for our company, Hopeful,
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  Speaker 1: But I trw it would not have hurt him had
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  Speaker 1: he kept pace with us. Hitherto Christian, that is true,
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  Speaker 1: But I warrant you he thinketh otherwise, Hopeful that I
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  Speaker 1: think ye doth. But however, let us tarry for him.
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  Speaker 1: So they did. Then Christian said to him, come away, man,
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  Speaker 1: why do you stand so behind Ignorance? I take my
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  Speaker 1: pleasure in walking alone even more a great deal than
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  Speaker 1: in company, unless I like it the better. Then said
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  Speaker 1: Christian to Hopeful, but softly, did I not tell you
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  Speaker 1: he cared not for our company? But however, said he
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  Speaker 1: come up and let us talk away the time in
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  Speaker 1: this solitary place. Then, directing his speech to Ignorance, he said, come,
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  Speaker 1: how do you do? How stands it between God and
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  Speaker 1: your soul? Now? Ignorance? I hope well, for I am
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  Speaker 1: always full of good motions that come into my mind
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  Speaker 1: to comfort me as I walk. Christian, what good motions
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  Speaker 1: pray tell us ignorance. Why I think of God and
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  Speaker 1: Heaven Christian, So do the devils and damned souls, Ignorance.
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  Speaker 1: But I think of them and desire them Christian, So
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  Speaker 1: do many that I never like to come there. The
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  Speaker 1: slow of the sluggard desireth and hath nothing Proverbs thirteen
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  Speaker 1: four ignorance. But I think of them and leave all
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  Speaker 1: for them, Christian, that I doubt, For to leave all
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  Speaker 1: is a very hard matter, yea a harder matter than
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  Speaker 1: many are aware of. But why or by what art
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  Speaker 1: thou persuaded that thou hast left all for God and heaven? Ignorance?
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  Speaker 1: My heart tells me so Christian. The wise man says,
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  Speaker 1: he that trusteth in his own heart is a fool
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  Speaker 1: Proverbs twenty eight, twenty six ignorance that is spoken of
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  Speaker 1: an evil heart. But mine is a good one, Christian.
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  Speaker 1: But how dost thou prove that ignorance? It comforts me
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  Speaker 1: in hopes of heaven? Christian? That may be through its disfeitfulness,
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  Speaker 1: For a man's heart may minister comfort to him in
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  Speaker 1: the hopes of that thing for which he has yet
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  Speaker 1: no ground to hope. Ignorance, But my heart and life
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  Speaker 1: agree together, and therefore my hope is well grounded. Christian,
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  Speaker 1: who told THEE that thy heart and life agree together? Ignorance,
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  Speaker 1: My heart tells me so, Christian, Ask my fellow if
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  Speaker 1: I be a thief? Thy heart tells THEE. So. Except
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  Speaker 1: the Word of God beareth witness in this matter, other
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  Speaker 1: testimony is of no value, Ignorance. But is it not
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  Speaker 1: a good heart that hath good thoughts? And is not
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  Speaker 1: that a good life that is according to God's commandments? Christian? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that is a good heart that hath good thoughts, and
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  Speaker 1: that is a good life that is according to God's commandments.
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  Speaker 1: But it is one thing, indeed, to have these, and
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  Speaker 1: another thing only to think so ignorance, pray, what count
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  Speaker 1: you good thoughts and a life according to God's commandments? Christian?
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  Speaker 1: There are good thoughts of diverse kinds, some respecting ourselves,
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  Speaker 1: some God, some christ and some other things. Ignorance. What
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  Speaker 1: be good thoughts respecting ourselves? Christian? Such as agree with
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  Speaker 1: the word of God? Ignorance? When do our thoughts of
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  Speaker 1: ourselves agree with the Word of God? Christian? When we
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  Speaker 1: pass the same judgment upon ourselves which the Word passes
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  Speaker 1: to explain myself. The Word of God saith of persons
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  Speaker 1: in a natural condition, there is none righteous, there is
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  Speaker 1: none that doeth good. It saith also that every imagination
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  Speaker 1: of the heart of man is only evil, and that
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  Speaker 1: continually Genesis six five Romans three. And again the imagination
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  Speaker 1: of man's heart is evil from his youth Genesis eight
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  Speaker 1: twenty one. Now, then, when we think thus of ourselves,
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  Speaker 1: having sense thereof, then our thoughts good ones, because according
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  Speaker 1: to the Word of God ignorance, I will never believe
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  Speaker 1: that my heart is thus bad. Christian, Therefore thou never
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  Speaker 1: hadst one good thought concerning thyself in thy life. But
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  Speaker 1: let me go on. As the Word passeth a judgment
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  Speaker 1: upon our hearts, so it passeth a judgment upon our ways.
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  Speaker 1: And when the thoughts of our hearts and ways agree
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  Speaker 1: with the judgment which the Word giveth of both, then
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  Speaker 1: are both good, because agreeing thereto ignorance, make out your meaning. Christian.
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  Speaker 1: Why the Word of God saith that man's ways are
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  Speaker 1: crooked ways, not good, but perverse. It saith they are
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  Speaker 1: naturally out of the good way, that they have not
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  Speaker 1: known it Pal one hundred and twenty five five Proverbs
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  Speaker 1: two fifteen Romans three twelve. Now when a man thus
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  Speaker 1: thinketh of his ways, I say, when he doth sensibly
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  Speaker 1: and with heart humiliation. Thus think, then hath he good
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  Speaker 1: thoughts of his own ways? Because his thoughts now agree
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  Speaker 1: with the judgment of the Word of God. Ignorance, what
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  Speaker 1: are good thoughts concerning God, Christian, even as I have
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  Speaker 1: said concerning ourselves, when our thoughts of God do agree
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  Speaker 1: with what the Word saith of Him, And that is
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  Speaker 1: when we think of his being and attributes, as the
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  Speaker 1: Word hath taught, of which I cannot now discourse at large,
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  Speaker 1: but to speak of Him with reference to us? Then
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  Speaker 1: have we right thoughts of God? When we think that
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  Speaker 1: He knows us better than we know ourselves, and can
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  Speaker 1: see sin in us, when and where we can see
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  Speaker 1: none in ourselves. When we think He knows our inmost thoughts,
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  Speaker 1: and that our heart, with all its depths, is always
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  Speaker 1: open unto his eyes. Also when we think that all
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  Speaker 1: our righteousness sinks in his nostrils, and that therefore he
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  Speaker 1: cannot abide to see us stand before him in any confidence,
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  Speaker 1: even in all our best performances. Ignorance, do you think
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  Speaker 1: that I am such a fool as to think that
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  Speaker 1: God can see no further than I, or that I
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  Speaker 1: would come to God in the best of my performances. Christian?
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  Speaker 1: Why how dost thou think in this matter ignorance? Why?
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  Speaker 1: To be short, I think I must believe in Christ
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  Speaker 1: for justification? Christian? How think thou must believe in Christ?
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  Speaker 1: When thou seest not thy need of Him, Thou neither
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  Speaker 1: seest thy original nor actual infirmities, which has such an
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  Speaker 1: opinion of thyself and of what thou doest as plainly
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: renders THEE to be one that did never see the
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  Speaker 1: necessity of Christ's personal righteousness to justify THEE before God.
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  Speaker 1: How then dost thou say I believe in Christ ignorance?
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  Speaker 1: I believe for all that Christian? How dost thou believe ignorance?
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  Speaker 1: I believe that Christ died for sinners, and that I
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  Speaker 1: shall be justified before God from the curse through His
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  Speaker 1: gracious acceptance of my obedience to His laws. Or thus
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  Speaker 1: Christ makes my duties that are religious acceptable to His
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  Speaker 1: Father by virtue of his merits, and so shall I
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  Speaker 1: be justified? Christian? Let me give an answer to this
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  Speaker 1: confession of thy faith. One thou believest with a fantastical faith.
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  Speaker 1: For this faith is nowhere described in the word. Two,
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  Speaker 1: Thou believest with a false faith, because it taketh justification
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  Speaker 1: from the person or righteousness of Christ, and applies it
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  Speaker 1: to thy own. Three. This faith maketh not Christ a
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  Speaker 1: justifier of thy person, but of thy actions, and of
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  Speaker 1: thy person for thy action's sake, which is false. For
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  Speaker 1: therefore this faith is deceitful, even such as will leave
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  Speaker 1: thee under wrath in the day of God Almighty. For
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: true justifying faith puts the soul as sensible of its
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  Speaker 1: lost condition by the law, upon flying for refuge. Unto
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  Speaker 1: Christ's righteousness, which righteousness of his is not an act
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  Speaker 1: of grace by which He maketh for justification thy obedience
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  Speaker 1: accepted with God, but his personal obedience to the law
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  Speaker 1: in doing and suffering for us what that required at
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: our hands? This righteousness, I say, true faith accepteth under
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  Speaker 1: the skirt of which the soul, being crowded, and by
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  Speaker 1: it presented as spotless before God, it is accepted and
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  Speaker 1: acquitted from condemnation ignorance. What would you have us trust
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  Speaker 1: to what Christ in his own person has done without
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  Speaker 1: us this conceit would loosen the reins of our lust
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  Speaker 1: and tolerate us to live as we list. For what
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  Speaker 1: matter how we live if we may be justified by
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  Speaker 1: Christ's person of righteousness from all when we believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Christian ignorance is thy name, And as thy name is
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  Speaker 1: thou art thou even this thy answer demonstrateth what I say.
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  Speaker 1: Ignorant Thou art of what justifying righteousness is, and as ignorant,
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  Speaker 1: how to secure thy soul through the faith of it
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  Speaker 1: from the heavy wrath of God. Yea, thou also art
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  Speaker 1: ignorant of the true effects of saving faith in this
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: righteousness of Christ, which is to bow and win over
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: the heart to God in Christ, to love His name,
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  Speaker 1: his word, ways, and people. And not as thou ignorantly
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  Speaker 1: imaginest hopeful ask him, if ever he had Christ revealed
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  Speaker 1: to him from heaven ignorance, what you are a man
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  Speaker 1: for revelations. I do believe that what both you and
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: all the rest of you say about that matter is
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: but the fruit of distracted brains. Hopeful Why man Christ
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  Speaker 1: is so hid in God from the natural apprehensions of
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: the flesh, that he cannot by any man be savingly
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  Speaker 1: known Unless God, the Father reveals him to him ignorance.
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  Speaker 1: That is your faith, but not mine. Yet mine, I
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: doubt not is as good as yours. Though I have
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: not in my head so many whimsies as you, Christian,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: give me leave to put in a word you ought
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: not so slightly speak of this matter. For this I
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  Speaker 1: will boldly affirm, even as my good companion hath done,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: that no man can know Jesus Christ, but by the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: revelation of the Father yea, and faith too, by which
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: the soul layeth hold upon Christ, if it be right,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: must be wrought by the exceeding greatness of His mighty power.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Matthew eleven twenty seven, First Corinthians twelve, three Ephesians one
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  Speaker 1: seventeen to nineteen, the working of which faith I perceive
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  Speaker 1: poor ignorance. Thou art, ignorant of be awakened. Then see
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  Speaker 1: thine own wretchedness, and fly to the Lord Jesus. And
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: by His righteousness, which is the righteousness of God, for
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: he himself is God, thou shalt be delivered from condemnation. Ignorance.
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  Speaker 1: You go so fast I cannot keep pace with you.
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  Speaker 1: Do you go on before? I must stay a while behind?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Then they said, well, ignorance. Wilt thou yet foolish be
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: to slight good counsel? Ten times given THEE, And if
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: thou yet refuse it, thou shalt know ere long the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: evil of thy doing. So remember man in time stoop,
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  Speaker 1: do not fear. Good counsel taken well saves therefore here.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: But if thou yet shalt slight it, thou wilt be
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  Speaker 1: the loser ignorance. I'll warrant THEE end Part one, The
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  Speaker 1: ninth Stage