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Nichole Lewis: No-consent granny flats are in, but should you get one? · The SME Stream

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  Speaker 2: the big news of the last few days because everyone
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  Speaker 2: has been on holiday, so there's the news has been
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  Speaker 2: a bit thin on the ground. But the no consent
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  Speaker 2: granny flat law changes came in this week, which means
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  Speaker 2: that you can you can chuck up or I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure what they are. I can't think of another expression
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  Speaker 2: for it. Now you can chuck a up to you
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  Speaker 2: are seventy square meters dwelling in your backyard without having
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  Speaker 2: to counsel if you're allowed, but you still have to.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's some catches to that in terms of
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  Speaker 2: you can't do something that's non compliant. So the one
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  Speaker 2: that sort of reined in my parade when I saw
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  Speaker 2: the news story was that, you know, getting one set
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  Speaker 2: up on your property, you know could or would set
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  Speaker 2: you back at least two hundred thousand dollars because a
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  Speaker 2: lot of us imagine I'll just get one of those
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  Speaker 2: containers banging on some stilts and away we go. But
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  Speaker 2: you got to do the wiring and the plumbing and
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  Speaker 2: all that sort of thing. And so it's a great headline.
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  Speaker 2: You can rent one out if you've got the right
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  Speaker 2: size section. I guess for a bit of passive income
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  Speaker 2: excuse me, but anyway, will you be ginning a granny
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  Speaker 2: flat under the new law? We'd love your take on this.
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  Speaker 2: Is it something you've been dying to get permission to
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  Speaker 2: do and without having to go through the whole ridiculous
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  Speaker 2: consent process or was it that ridiculous? Later on, also
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about how old is too old
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  Speaker 2: to get a home loan or to invest in property?
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  Speaker 2: But anyway to discuss all that. She is CEO at
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  Speaker 2: Property Lifestyle, Nicole Lewis. She's with us now Okada, Nicole,
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  Speaker 2: how are you going?
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  Speaker 4: Hello? Hello, great to be here. Happy New Years everyone.
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  Speaker 4: Excuse me, right, just choke quietly.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just switch off from a microphone for two seconds.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, say something intelligent.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, that's all right. Hey, So let's look the
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  Speaker 2: basics of this, the granny flats. Is this a good law?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I've been pondering this.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that straightforward.
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  Speaker 4: It isn't It isn't. It's interesting. We just are starting
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  Speaker 4: a renovation on a house that is built in the
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  Speaker 4: nineteen seventies and we were kind of discussing this. They
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  Speaker 4: put in a games room and we're like, oh, is
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  Speaker 4: it all compliant. It's like, yes, well, in the seventies,
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  Speaker 4: of course, all you had to do was say you
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  Speaker 4: were building one and that issue you building consent and
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  Speaker 4: where you go, and of course you didn't have to
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  Speaker 4: do any compliance. And you look at it and you think, well,
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  Speaker 4: how many hundreds of thousands of houses that have we
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  Speaker 4: got like that? And they're all still standing strong. So
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  Speaker 4: therefore are we going to get some jery built minor
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  Speaker 4: dwellings or granny flats? Now?
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  Speaker 2: Probably, but because and people won't realize they still have
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  Speaker 2: to be compliant, correct which and that has to be
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  Speaker 2: so oh, I think here's the thing. It has to
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  Speaker 2: be signed off or done by a registered.
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  Speaker 4: An LPB build CORECT that's the one yea.
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  Speaker 2: Licensed to building practitioner altogether.
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  Speaker 4: Now well we rehearse that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, that amazing thing we didn't hey, so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: is that enough of a.
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  Speaker 4: Protection for Well, you also have to get a PIM. Now,
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  Speaker 4: don't ask me what poms dances for. I can't remember.
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  Speaker 4: So it's it's not I think. I think where it's
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  Speaker 4: useful is a lot of the times at the moment
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  Speaker 4: you can build a granny flat. Well to first of all,
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  Speaker 4: a granni flat and a minor dwelling used to be
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  Speaker 4: two different things. A granny flat used to be something
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  Speaker 4: that a family member could live in, but you couldn't
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  Speaker 4: rent it out separately to someone else for income, and
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  Speaker 4: that was a minor dwelling. Now it's they're calling it
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  Speaker 4: all the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: So you can basically have a tenant.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, You can basically have a tenant and rent it
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  Speaker 4: out separately. That's good.
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  Speaker 2: And that even has some interesting, probably little finicky bits
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  Speaker 2: about you live on the property. So does your tenant
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  Speaker 2: access privacy, exclusive use, all that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: That stuff, from what I can tell, is fine. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: what you have to comply with is the RTA Residential
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  Speaker 4: Tenancy Agreement Act, So you have to still comply with that.
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  Speaker 4: So it would still have to be healthy home compliant, etc.
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  Speaker 4: Under that law.
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  Speaker 2: So this PIM thing a project information memoranda, the one
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  Speaker 2: that's the one I knew. I mean, I do have
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  Speaker 2: the you know, I'm a quick googler. That looks complex.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's sort of really like a building consent, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: But they're calling it something else. Supposedly it's easier to.
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  Speaker 2: Get because it's something you have to put it helps
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  Speaker 2: you plan before you apply for full building consent.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, but you don't need to get all the council
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  Speaker 4: inspections in between. You just go and you build it
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  Speaker 4: and then you send them in the paperwork afterwards to say, yes,
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  Speaker 4: here's my electrical certificate, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So how complex From an administrative point of view.
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  Speaker 2: I imagine that there'll be companies are going to specialize
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  Speaker 2: in this stuff and they'll have pim is ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, these are the buildings you can have.
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  Speaker 2: We can pop this on and here's basically we'll fill
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  Speaker 2: in the fill in the blanks on the PYM and
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  Speaker 2: away we go. We'll do it for you. It's probably
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  Speaker 2: just gets more complicated if you're a di wire who's
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  Speaker 2: got a licensed building practitioner who's prepared to come in
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  Speaker 2: and sign off on different stages of what you're doing well.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's where it gets tricky, because according
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  Speaker 4: to these consents, a di wire still can't do it.
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  Speaker 4: You've got I thought so, because when you look it up,
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  Speaker 4: it sears you must use a licensed building practitioner in
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  Speaker 4: order to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's under the supervision of one. I guess because
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  Speaker 2: you could be his laborer. Maybe, yeah, could you labor
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  Speaker 2: You know, they'll be like, tell you what, you put
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  Speaker 2: these four posts in here and concrete that, and I'll
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  Speaker 2: come back and check it in a moment.
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  Speaker 4: They're liable, right, So mind dear builder. Lofe and I
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  Speaker 4: we've had these discussions many times. We were talking about
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  Speaker 4: that yesterday. He's a licensed building practitioner and many times
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  Speaker 4: I said, oh, can we just do this? No, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, why not because he's liable for many, many
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  Speaker 4: years down the track for that work that he's done.
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  Speaker 5: So no, they're not going to watch corner, which does
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  Speaker 5: tell me, which does tell me that we shouldn't fear
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  Speaker 5: too many crappy sort of works because of the way
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  Speaker 5: that it's been rejegged, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know when the actual the whole liability
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  Speaker 2: thing for building practitioners came in, but because of what
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  Speaker 2: we put on them, that's enough of a protection.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And it's same with all of our trade, Same with
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  Speaker 4: our plumber, same with our sparky. You know, they're liabel.
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  Speaker 4: Now are you going to get some Jerry one who
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  Speaker 4: are not very good? Probably, But it's the same in
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  Speaker 4: any industry.
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  Speaker 2: So what can you put on so there be a
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  Speaker 2: time when you could just you could put on something
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  Speaker 2: as a spare sort of dwelling, not a dwelling cabin
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  Speaker 2: or it's just a cabin as a sleepout that you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to rent out to anyone. What are the
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  Speaker 2: rules in terms of what you could do earlier and
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  Speaker 2: can do now which don't fall under this where you
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  Speaker 2: don't need the sign off To be honest, it's not.
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  Speaker 4: A massive difference. Like if you're you can still put
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  Speaker 4: a sleep out and all that sort of thing on
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  Speaker 4: now without any content. You can you can bung that
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  Speaker 4: up yourself. You just have to comply with fire, et
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  Speaker 4: cetera if someone's going.
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  Speaker 2: To So it's the difference between something you bung up
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  Speaker 2: yourself and what we're talking about here with the granny flat.
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  Speaker 4: This is really like a minor dwelling which currently exists.
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  Speaker 4: It used to be sixty five square meters now it's seventeen.
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  Speaker 4: You used to have to go and get building consent.
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  Speaker 4: Now you need a pimp. The way it makes it
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  Speaker 4: easier is that not every property you could have a
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  Speaker 4: minor dwelling as of right they had to go and
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  Speaker 4: get a resource consent. Now that cost you an arm
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  Speaker 4: and a leg and takes forever. So that's eliminated, which
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  Speaker 4: is amazing. But a building consent was always the easy part.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that would take you a couple of months.
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  Speaker 4: It would cost you five grand, a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: a pain having to tee up the building inspectors from
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  Speaker 4: the count sort of come and sign off at each
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  Speaker 4: point and then get your CCC. So that's eliminated, which
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  Speaker 4: is cool. Makes it easier, but you still need to
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  Speaker 4: be across what the rules are so you can comply,
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  Speaker 4: because what I can imagine is potentially down the track
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  Speaker 4: you go to sell your property, if you haven't followed
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  Speaker 4: the rules, you're going to devalue your property. No one's
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  Speaker 4: going to want that. If you haven't had your perm
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  Speaker 4: and you haven't had it and it's not really signed off,
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  Speaker 4: if you haven't put your paperwork in, that's still really important.
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  Speaker 4: So for most people you still need someone to help
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  Speaker 4: you with that process because it's hard to get your
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  Speaker 4: head around it.
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  Speaker 2: So we'd love your cause on this, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: because it's seen as being look politically, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: been a reasonably positive mood from the government on this.
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  Speaker 2: Also By the way, it's worth pointing out seventy square meters.
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  Speaker 5: It's big.
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  Speaker 2: It's bloody, it's big.
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  Speaker 4: It's big. Look at it's a great idea. I love
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  Speaker 4: what the government are doing because housing is less affordable
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  Speaker 4: in certain parts of the country. Bigger families are living together,
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  Speaker 4: more people are moving in, and this gives you flexibility.
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  Speaker 4: And I like the idea of flexibility on a property
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  Speaker 4: you own. So it is a good idea, But don't
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  Speaker 4: think it's going to save you a huge amount of money.
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  Speaker 4: It's still going to cost you that couple one hundred
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  Speaker 4: thousand dollars to build if you go seventy square meters.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, smaller is cheaper.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, gosh, that is big, isn't it. Yeah? And are
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  Speaker 2: there rules? What are the rules around how close to
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  Speaker 2: the boundary and all that sort of stuff In terms
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  Speaker 2: of neighbors worrying about things.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that doesn't really say, but I'm making the assumption
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  Speaker 4: it's going to depend on how your property is zoned.
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  Speaker 4: So if we use Auckland as an example, if you've
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  Speaker 4: got an inmates yes, or an EMHSU mixed housing urban
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  Speaker 4: or mixed housing suburban, you'll have a higher density. You
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  Speaker 4: can build closer to your boundary, closer to your other
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  Speaker 4: houses than if you had a single zone residential, but
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  Speaker 4: generally you've got to be a meter or two off
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  Speaker 4: the boundary.
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  Speaker 2: And the bleeding obvious is that it's still under the
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  Speaker 2: same title. It's not something where you're subdividing. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not something you can sell off separately. You can
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  Speaker 2: rent it separately. You can have a member of the
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  Speaker 2: family staying in it some but I'm still trying to
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  Speaker 2: work out why I wouldn't just bug up some sort
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  Speaker 2: of shed and think that's all right for a spare
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  Speaker 2: room from one of my kids.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that's a cabin. You're allowed to do those.
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  Speaker 4: You can do a sleepout as well. It's only around
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  Speaker 4: fire rating and insulation to do a sleepout, which is
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  Speaker 4: next to no additional cost.
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  Speaker 2: So why would you do a granny flat? Not just
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  Speaker 2: your sort of non consented shed.
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  Speaker 4: We don't forget it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean shed, dwelling sleep or a tiny home.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well tiny exactly. Tiny homes another option because tiny
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  Speaker 4: home's got your bathroom and your kitchen and everything in it,
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  Speaker 4: So you can still do those.
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  Speaker 2: They're cheaper, they're not necessarily plumbed on either they've got that,
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  Speaker 2: you can have one that's got its own, because that's
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  Speaker 2: actually that would be where the budget would start to
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  Speaker 2: creep up when you have to have the mains connected
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  Speaker 2: and water the water into the I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: they do that sort of stuff, to be honest, el
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  Speaker 2: thing under the ground. It's always a bit of my and.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder what the rules are going to be because
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  Speaker 4: in the poem I read it, it says you still
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  Speaker 4: need to be connected legally et cetera. Well, you know
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  Speaker 4: that's not cheap either, and water Care in Auckland may
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  Speaker 4: or may not have the infrastructure to connect you. So
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  Speaker 4: you know you've still got those sorts of considerations which
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  Speaker 4: surely have to be part of the process somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, look, we'd love your calls on this.
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  Speaker 2: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Are you interested in
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  Speaker 2: what's happened with this? The rules around granny flats, the
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  Speaker 2: no consent Granni flats from today, but it's not a
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  Speaker 2: free for all. You still have to let the council
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  Speaker 2: know what you're doing. It still has to be done
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  Speaker 2: under this under the under a license building practitioner, plumbing wiring.
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  Speaker 2: All that's got to be done. It's not going to
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  Speaker 2: be cheap. Is this something you're going, Oh, this is
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  Speaker 2: up what I've been waiting for. You're thinking, Oh, I
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  Speaker 2: think I might just do something minor under the old rules.
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  Speaker 2: I eight hundred eighty T and eighty text nine to
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  Speaker 2: nine two. We'll be back in just a moment. News
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  Speaker 2: Talk said B. News Talk said B. My guest, this
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  Speaker 2: is the one we've ready to show. My guest is
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  Speaker 2: Nicole Lewis. We're talking about the new granny flat legislation
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  Speaker 2: and is it going to make a different it's to
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  Speaker 2: your plans with regards to what you want to do
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  Speaker 2: with your property or actually, Nicole, we must well just
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  Speaker 2: actually we'll tell you what. We'll take a call and
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  Speaker 2: we'll come back with because I've got lots more questions
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  Speaker 2: for you. But Pam, Hello, Hi, how are you? I'm good?
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  Speaker 2: Oh hey, Pam, Pam, Pam. I'm going to have to
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  Speaker 2: put you back to my producer and get you to
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  Speaker 2: change ears or something because your phone's not coming across
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  Speaker 2: clearly to us. Well, actually, can I just ask Nicole?
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  Speaker 2: But while we try to work on getting Pam Brat back,
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  Speaker 2: what what was the problem with the law before it
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  Speaker 2: was fixed, because we're talking about you know, you can
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  Speaker 2: still stick up structures on your property for an extra bedroom,
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  Speaker 2: like a tiny home without having to get consent.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. The difference really was a tiny home or a
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  Speaker 4: cabin is considered portable, can be moved off the property. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: that's why it didn't need.
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  Speaker 2: Consent, as opposed to something where you sink some piles
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  Speaker 2: and away you go.
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  Speaker 4: You built a concrete pad, you hook it into the services,
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  Speaker 4: it's no longer portable. That's where it needed to consent.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, I've got so many questions. So can you
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  Speaker 2: stick on a dwelling so you decide you want it. Look,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to build a nice structure. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a spare room, but no plumbing, no wiring because
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  Speaker 2: you don't you haven't got a toilet in there, or
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  Speaker 2: you've got one of those recycling sort of units where
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  Speaker 2: it's self contained. Is that an option for you?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you can do that with no consent, so you.
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  Speaker 2: Don't have to be plumbing it in, but you do
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  Speaker 2: have to plumb it in if and wire it. When
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  Speaker 2: do you have to wire it?
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  Speaker 4: When you want electricity in it?
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  Speaker 2: Ah, so you can't, just ie, Okay, so you can't.
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  Speaker 4: So if you if you put a sleepout on, but
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  Speaker 4: you want the lights to be able to go on,
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  Speaker 4: obviously it needs to be wide. Now it doesn't need
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  Speaker 4: to do with electrical connection. It can be connected to
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  Speaker 4: your main house.
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  Speaker 2: That's fine. So what was the rule under let's just
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  Speaker 2: go a tiny house or having something else on on
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  Speaker 2: the old rules? Could you wire those up? Could you
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  Speaker 2: get those wired up?
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  Speaker 4: Yep, you can wire those up there connected to your house.
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  Speaker 4: So there's one power bill which comes in through the
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  Speaker 4: main house. So yeah, so you can't.
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  Speaker 2: So I didn't need the legislation to turn lights on
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  Speaker 2: in the spare cabin that I might have wanted to build.
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  Speaker 4: No, you don't.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I'm starting to wonder how much this is really
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  Speaker 2: going to make a big difference, because people would have
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  Speaker 2: been doing some of the stuff anyway and sticking new
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  Speaker 2: dwellings on.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, well, it's always been called a minor dwelling. It
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  Speaker 4: used to be sixty five.
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  Speaker 2: Square meters seventy now and.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's seventy and you used to always tend to
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: get your building consent for it. I guess the difference
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: is if you have a minor dwelling that complies with
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: a CCC down the track, you can subdivide and sell
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: the two off separately. Okay, if you're if there's zoning allows.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's see if we've got pamback. Pam, Hello, Hi, Yeah,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: how are you?
• 16:02
  Speaker 7: My thought was the same as what I was just
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: been like a minor dwelling. So you're going to be
• 16:10
  Speaker 7: connecting to counsel supplies. You're going to have to have
• 16:15
  Speaker 7: the inspections for plumbing, and because you can't do any
• 16:21
  Speaker 7: connections to counsel or connections for plumbing, what they are inspectors.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: So forget the consent, you still have to have inspections.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: I've read the rules, unless they change them next week.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I've read the rules. You do not need to have
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: them inspected, but you must have them put in by
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: the certified people. So you need to have a sutif
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: they need appear three and you're electrician needs a CEO C.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: And those documentations are like to local after the after.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: But you don't need to get a council person to
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: come around and look. They just have to go is
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: this a qualified person? Okay, what do you think give it, Pam.
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: Well, I'm not sure. I've worked in the building Units
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: of Council for fourteen years, so I understand the pro
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: sets that there is a little bit of concern of
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: whether it could be dodgy work going to happen. I mean,
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: at all times somebody is always going to try and
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: get away worth not doing it.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: It should ye, But if you've got a licensed building
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: practitioner who's library.
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: As long as you've got a license and LBP registered,
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: you'd be star here's the rules you must have And
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: I don't know what about resource consent, planning and building
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: it quite separate, yep.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: But that's what they've wiped now, which is they've so
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: no more need for resource content or building content. So
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: now every property throughout a zel and can have one
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: as of right.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: But Pam, you still have to by the lock of
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: you still got to have a PIM, which is a
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: project information memorandum which you do you give is that
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: the thing you give to the council.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: You apply for that. So I mean, I'm wondering whether
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: they might decline some of them if there's not enough
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: capacity for services. I don't know. I think they don't
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: know yet.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: It's new Okay, well, proof of the pudding. I guess
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: let's take some more calls on this, but we'd love
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: to know from you. What does this make a difference
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: to the plans you've got for your property, because actually,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: how much what are the rules around just before you
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: go to craig, what are the rules around how much
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: land you have to have spare? How much can you
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: cram something on where people might think, oh, and it
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't leave mo room for very much.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: That's a really good question because from the way I
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: interpret this new legislation is that you can put your
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: mind a dwelling on as long as it fits, so.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Long as it fits. In other words, you might have
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: room to get up to your front door, and then
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: a couple of meters away there's a there's another dwelling,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: which makes it all feel a bit sandwiched in.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: But it's got to be still within the ratios. So
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: I've still got to fit into your boundary ratio, and
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: it has to be I think it's ten meters away
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: from the main house as long as there's ten meters
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: you think it is. I think I think unless they've
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: changed that rule, so you still have to you can't
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: have a two hundred square meter side.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, see, you can't have something side by side massively
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: that that might not be that appealing for anyone wanting
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: to buy the property, but you might below like I
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: don't care what they want to.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: And if it's a cabin, but you can't infringe on
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: the boundaries for your minor dwelling is my understanding, but
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: it's not clear in the legislation.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: So okay, right, let's take some more calls.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Craig Hello, Yeah, Hi, Yeah, interesting call a because I
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: just had a meeting with our council here on Wednesday,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: and we're subdividing a section that has so we have
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: two three bedroom dwellings that were on one section from
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the nineteen going back to the nineteen twenties, and so
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: we're now subdividing them so they can be separate. Now,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: it's actually not quite as easy as it sounds. It's
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: still a significant expense obviously to go through that process,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and you've still got a lot of rules that you
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: have to abide by. So just just to give a
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: rough example, it's probably around seventy thousand dollars to subdivide
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a section.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Depends where in the country, which is your counsel.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: So we're under way, kado.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, yep, they're actually not a bad counsel.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're really good to deal with. Actually, I've got it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: They've been awesome to deal with. Yeah.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Wow, and that's amazing. I hardly ever get a call
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: like that where someone says something positive about a council.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Just make a note, thanks, Craig.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, No, honestly, we couldn't have asked for better. They're
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: really clear with their instructions. They've been really helpful in
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the whole process. And definitely, but this is where I
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: ask people to just be a little bit cautious. There
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: are rules that you have to abide by, So don't
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: go doing anything silly and investing a whole lot of
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: money and doing something and then finding out that you've
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: just made a huge mistake.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Now you're one hundred percent right, Craig. You've got to
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: abide by the rules or you can create a problem
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: down the track when you want to do sol or
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: do something else.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: You're right, that's exactly it. We've actually had to deal
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: with a boundary line issue going back to the nineteen twenties.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: So because part of the boundary were gifted to the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: property from the previous neighbor because it just made sense
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: around their boundaries that way, And that's been things of
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: process just to solve that little issue.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Yes, boundary realignments or things like that do come into it,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: especially when people don't actually do a survey. They just
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: assume the boundaries where the fence line isn't It isn't
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: necessarily hey, but you don't have to. It's not on
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: the rules. It is when you're subdividing. I'm talking about
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: the new minor dwelling. That's not in the rules subdividing
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: different animal.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Well, in some ways though, you might come across the
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: same issues, like if you haven't got if that boundary
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: line isn't absolutely clear and noted, and the title isn't
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: given on those boundary lines, then you've got to be
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: really careful. Like if that boundary line is half a
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: meter out and you're saying I'm building my new granny
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: flat a meta from that boundary and then you find
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that that meat that that boundary line is not actually accurate,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: might pay.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: To check where you might pay to check those boundary lines.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: In other words, is the story.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: It is a good idea because if a neighbor complains
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: and it turns out they're right, you have to move it.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: So it is a good idea to get a.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Set face it. If you're spending a couple hundred thousand
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: bucks on a seventy square meter a granny flat, then
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you probably would want to make sure your ducks are
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: all lined up in a raye, wouldn't you.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Well, as part of the building consent process. But I
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: don't know if it's part of this pum process.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I know what I mean is having listened to our wisdom, but.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Most people don't. They go ahead and they do these
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: things and they don't think about it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Are you Are you subdividing because you've got a lot
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: of land and you're looking to just it's like an
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: investment thing. We're going to stick a dwelling on and
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: away we go.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And so we've already got so we bought a property
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that already had two dwellings on it, so they were
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: so we've rented one out for the last of five
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: or six years or so. But we've decided that we'd
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: actually like to tide it up a bit and get
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: everything a bit sorted, because now is the time to
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: do it. We have a government that's actually willing to
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: deal with things in a constructive manner.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Is this also, by the way, well, I've still got you,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Craig and Nicole. Is one of the benefits of this
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: legislation is that it's no longer counsel by council required.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: And you know, in other words, some councils allowed a
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: forty square meter minor dwelling, are this sixty five? But
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: now the government's going forget all that you can do
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: up to seventy so long as you you know, LVP
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: and all that sort of.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Thing correct apart from your boundary issues.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: So you're not dealing with council foibles as much.
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, not quite so much.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: You've still got to there's still rules that have been
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: adjusted like so like this is what I'm saying about
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the council we've dealt with like that really informative. So
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: even discussing like creating extra parking bays and things in
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the area that they've said, okay, this is your requirements.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: You have to have a beence that is seed through
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: so that if somebody is walking past, they can see
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you're negotiating a vehicle out of a car park. All
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: sorts of really informative, helpful things. If you didn't, you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: you would just go ahead and do something and then
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: find you've actually, you know, you've actually gone against the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: rules and you're possibly going to have to take that
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: fence down again. So I think this goes a little
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: bit against I'm a bit of a bit of a hippie,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: but I'm actually learning that dealing with the council's a
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: really smart move and actually just been really honest with
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: what your plans are. It's well worth doing that than
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: making mistakes. I mean, we're getting older in life, so
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: we really don't want to making stupid physcal decisions.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: So you still need to you still need to get
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: some expertise involved.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: In other words, basically the right people. Any property project
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: you have to have right people involved, more so in
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: a subdivision because it's a very complicated process.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and were This is one of the things that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to bring up for you too, though. Is
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: part of the reason we've done that subdivision is to
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: be older build runny flat. Oh yeah, so we've we've
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: given ourselves a bigger chunk of the section if you like,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: in the subdivision. Well, really it's just for mother in law.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Fifteen square meters sixteen.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Thing might be a bit unfair, mate, might.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Just kidding, just Jake's just James, that's sorry.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking more like the squeen meters is enough? Okay, Yeah,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: a single bedroom kind of dwelling looks like that. But
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: but my real advice here is don't don't go thinking
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you can just will you, Nelly, go and do things.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Make sure you get really good advice.
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to hurt your financially loaded down the
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: truth if you don't do it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you totally agree, very good input.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah good. Fifteen square meter is not that small, that's
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, if that's one room of three by time,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: that's a cabin. I suspect I could have gone smaller.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: They would have been mischievous just in a single bed
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: in the potty sort of thing. But there we go,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Uh tell you what, We'll take some more calls in
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: just a moment. What do you think of the grandy
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: flat legislation? Is that what you've been waiting for? Or
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: would you still be able to build what you want
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to build using the old legislation just putting on the
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: old tiny home or some other minor dwelling. Oh eight
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: one hundred eighty ten eighty text nine two nine two.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: You know that number, but give us a call. It's
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: twenty three and a half to five. News Talks B,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: News Talkshit B. This is the one with radio show
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: talking about the new granny flat legislation. How much of
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: a game change will it be? Well, just everything about
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: it and which it's Look, it's a new law in
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: terms of how it's going to play out. Calvin.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: Hello, Hey, I think that is a great it's the
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: best legislation that's been out. The councils have so many
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: people of the amount of fees that they charge.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's an interesting way. Have you have you had
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: to have you had skin in the game on this one, Calvin, Oh.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: Year in the past here.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's an interesting one. Actually, thanks Calvin. The councils,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: is this going to have a knock on effect in
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: terms of the income that they've enjoyed on this sort
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: of stuff is not really a big, big income earner
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: for them.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: I think it's certainly not the largest stream of income earning.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: And I beat you it'll be a fee to the PIM.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: I can't say it'll be free, but it won't mean
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: it might be very expensive.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be interesting. Wasn't it as to know what
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: they attached to that? Yeah? That will be Hey, thanks
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Calvin G. Hello, hang on a set. We'll wait till
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the G gets back on. I think of the multitasking there.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Here's let's have a look at a few of the texts.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Lots of questions. Somebody's said, I don't think you're allowed
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: to hook up the plumbing, read the toilet without a consent.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: But no, you can, as our understanding, isn't it, Nicole.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: That's what it says under the legislation. Because the interesting
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: thing about that comment is if you've got an existing
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: house and you want to put in a new toilet,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: you need a consent. But they're saying that you can
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: have a completely self contained dwelling with your bathroom in
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: your kitchen without any consent, but you must use your
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: license plumber to hook everything up and they must supply
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: the PS three certificate.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, here's one. I'm glad we got you here as
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: an expert, because I wouldn't there never get any of this,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: which is why we have experts. Actually, I've just realized, hey,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: here we go. I've just built a sixty square meter
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: two bedroom little home. It's taken twelve months with RFIs
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and more RFIs.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: What's an RFI request for information for the council? They
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: would have needed a resource concent.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, and what is required for CC see Code of
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Compliants is unbelievable. So I do not see how it's
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: going to be so simple. You speak of piles that
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: needs a geotech.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: You are supposed to get a geotech. Yes, depending on
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: the contours of your land.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, have been in six weeks and love it, wish
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: anyone doing it, lots of good luck. Okay, so we've
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: got geotechs now.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Well, if so, they needed a resource consent. RFIs only
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: come with resource consents. Resource consents is a whole different
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: kettle of fish. You need about seven or eight different reports,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: the geotech being one of them, and then and then
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: it usually takes about it depends which council you're in,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: but usually about six to twelve months to get your
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: resource consent. And RFIs is part of that.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Isn't it funny that the photo on the article I'm
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: looking at there's a photo of a sort of side
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: via a granny flat, and it looks so it's gorgeous flat,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: it's got a nice little deck and it just looks
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: beautiful ladder, and it all looks so simple. But I'm
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: sort of thinking it's not as simple as we imagine
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the headlines tell.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: Us, because you need to get with your your building consents.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Easy to get takes a few months, but you need
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: to sign off on so many stages.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: They sign off the concrete, they sign off the earthworks,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: they sign off the drainage, they sign off the right
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: type of piping, they sign off the electrical blah blah
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: So there's a lot on their play, doesn't that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: And if you get something wrong, you know, I've seen
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: them out there with their measuring tape. And if you're
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: out by five centimeters, you've got to do it again.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: If you're driveways out by five mil, you've got to
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: relay one hundred and fifty mili concrete being relaid as all.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: You right, to get it right, you've got to have
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: the right people on your team.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, let's I think we've got g back good
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: A Yeah, I can hear me, Yes, we can.
• 31:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm sorry about earlier. My question is I have
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: a garage downstairs to convert that into a sleepout. Do
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: I need counschool consent or do I just go through
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: this new PYM proceedure.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Is the garage internal? Is it part of the footprint
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: of the house?
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is?
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: And what is it constructed out of? Is it the
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: same construction material as the house?
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Okay in that case, no, you don't need any consent.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: What makes a bedroom comply because it would be a bedroom,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: not if for sleepout is the ceiling height, so you
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: have to be able to walk on it. Well, the
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: window space. You need to have ten percent of it
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: with window space that can open, and then it complies
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: as a bedroom. So sometimes with a garage, you can
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: take the garage door off and put a sliding door
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: on into the glass sliding door and that's enough to
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: your window space and your opening. And it's just a
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: case of where the ceiling height complies.
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: Okay, what if I were to take it a step
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: further and converted into a like a two bedroom sleepout,
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: that would be fun.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Yep, you don't need any consense for an internal.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: It's not really a sleepout, because a sleepout definition is outside.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: This is something internal.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you don't need any consent for any internal
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: bedrooms as long as the footprint of the dwelling is
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  Speaker 4: not changing, and is.
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  Speaker 2: That that's not covered by this legislation, any legislation.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Correct, Okay, yes, yep, Now you could even if your
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: ceiling height doesn't comply. But it's your own house. You
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: can still use it as a bedroom anyway. But when
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: you go to sell it down the track, it can't
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: be marketed as a bedroom. But you can do it,
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: and you can use it much to your heart's content,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: totally legally.
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: And what if I were to extend out of the garage,
• 33:13
  Speaker 9: maybe adding another bedroom or or something.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Now, if you're going to extend the footprint of the house,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: you need to consent. If you're going to add a deck,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: as long as it's under a meter off the ground
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: and away from a meter off the boundary, you don't
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: need any consent.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, gosh, you've lit up the phones there. Gee with
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are thinking, oh, I've
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: got a question for Nicole. They've left it late. But well, anyway,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: let's go to Steve.
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  Speaker 1: Hello.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm an architectural designer. I've been in Auckland, been
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: the business for a long time, text builder. I haven't
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: got my head right around all the all the technicalities
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: of this new legislation, but I can just straight off
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: the mark just see so many fish hawks in it
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: issues down the track that it's kind of like, wow,
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: I'm going you know this is this is this is huge.
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: You know, we're not talking a ten square meter shed
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: up against a you know, a fence anymore that a
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: council tells them to, hey, you better move that back
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: and meter. We're talking a seventy square meter building exactly.
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: And the people actually sort of you know, you're in
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: the business. I'm in the business. Most people don't understand
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: the checks and balances that we have to go through ourselves,
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: many many to determine the bulkan location of where a
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: you know, seventy sixty square meter seventy square meter building
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: would go. Even on a relative large site, there are limited,
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: limited possibilities on most sites, most sites in Auckland. Let's
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: say that the suburban areas are going to have massive limitations,
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: probably ninety percent, Like, for instance, you're still not going
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: to be able to you've got to know how the
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: distance that you can build to a public line that's
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: a manhole and people are going to know this. You've
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: got floodplanes, you've got flow paths on just about every
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: site in Auckland.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Now, well, I guess the LBP would have to.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Well, the plumber would know, if you've got the license,
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: plumber would know. But then again, a plumber and a
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: drain layer are two different things. We don't use our
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: plumber to hook up to our services. We use our
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: drain layer.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: And Steve, Yeah, what do you make about Steve? Do
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: you think it will make as big a difference as
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: the headlines would indicate.
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: I'm going to tell you one thing I know right
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: now is going to be a lot of these used
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: car salesmen. Car salesman, he'll be selling cabins Stephen square
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: meter cabins now and rubbing their hands of glee, laughing
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: their heads off right now because they won't have the
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: council right there to get in their way, and they'll
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: be able to turn up with cookie cutter designs and
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: they'll say, oh, yeah, no, that's fine, that'll be able
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: to go there. Yep, No, that's all good because there
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: are no there are no preconsenters there, but.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Someone will still have to do but Steve, someone will
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: still have to be responsible for balls ups.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Well that's the homeowner.
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: Oh I'd like to feel much better now.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no, I'm not arguing for it.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, but whoever builds that puts that up,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: it's going to be liable if something's wrong.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: The pim your pre consent, that's your consent. But don't forget.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I think that you can make a very valid point
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: because liability shifts real quickly. The plumber is reliable for
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: the pipes, the spark is reliable for the wires. The
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: builder is reliable for the construction. But no one's reliable
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: except the homeowner is reliable if they've put it in
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: the wrong place, if they accidentally cut through a public So.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: The LBP is not responsible for the wrong position. Oh okay.
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: Well, the thing is is that you've got to understand.
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's like there are so many lpbs out there.
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: Just because you're an LPB doesn't mean you're gonna you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: you're going to do anything correct.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Correct. There's good ones and not correct.
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: There's a lot of non good ones. I can tell
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: you that right now, you are right. Don't take the money.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: Don't want to grab the money and run. If you
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: haven't grabbed the money, run without the checks and balances. Look,
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: my neighbor, I'll this is what happened.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Steve, Steve. Fortunately, mate, we needed you to call at
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: least five minutes earlier because time is upon us. But
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about this again sometime. I do appreciate your call,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: but we've got to come back with the adjustment with
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: one roof Property of the week. But thanks for coll mate.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: It is I wanted to hear that story too, but
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: time is upon us. Ten to five News Talk.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Sib the one roof property of the week on the
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: weekend Collective.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, and the one roof Property of the week is
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: a fascinating property because it is, and I'll give you
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the address for it. You can go google it. Three
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: two two, three hundred and twenty two to Pookie Highway,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Papa Moa Totrong. It's got three different town addresses. To
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Pookie Highway sounds like Tapookie, Papa Moa sounds like Papa Moya.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Taroga sounds like Taronga. Anyway. It is four bedrooms, two bathrooms,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: two car garage. The house is two hundred. It's a big,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: reasonly big house, two hundred and seventy seven square meters
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: on land of one point eight four hectares, and it
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: does I don't know how to describe it, but forgetting
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the house, it's got a sort of a terrace where
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: it slopes down to this. I love the swimming pool
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: nicole it's got. I mean, it's not great for supervising kids,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: as my producer Tire pointed out.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Well it's fenced and it's a salt water heated pool.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Sounds great and it's just I mean, it is a
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: gorgeous looking property. The thing that came to mind with
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: me was that, I tell you what, unless you are
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: a really keen gardener, you've got a bit of a
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: bill each every in summer, every week or two or
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: three with trimming those blooming hedges. What did you make
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: of it?
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I actually thought it looked like a stunning property. It
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: was a shame they weren't more photos of the inside.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: There was only a photo of the kitchen and that
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: was it. And I was like, oh, but it talks
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: about its beautiful fixtures throughout, but it actually does look
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: like a lovely property.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: You actually didn't have a lot of photos, but the
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: external part of it was the external part of it.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Lots of external photos and it looked lovely.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, hang on a minute, what have we got If
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I'm scrolling on there's a video there, right, I've ended
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: up on the wrong page. Yeah, anyway, it's worth checking
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: it out. But and it's it's interesting. We also had
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: a terrace off to the side that looked like a
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: terrace that no one would ever use, and I was
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: trying to work out why. But it's probably because it
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: didn't have a pergola or an arch goal or something
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: like that. But anyway, it is, it's it's not cheap.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: It's got it's an RV of two and a half million.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: An estimate of two point two two is the one
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: roof estimate on it. But it's got it lock. The
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: gardens are magnificent, magnificent. It's got eighty year old Magnolia's
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: got heritage trees. It's bordering by the way for location
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: because that that that location is confusing Tipooky Highway, PA TOTR.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: It is bordering Papamoa Hills Regional Park and the pool's
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: heat it as well so go and check it out.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: It's worth it because, as I say every time we
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: do the one roof radio show, that it's nice just
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: going have a bit of a nosey through other people's homes,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: look for some ideas. What'll be your a cup of tea?
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: You're retired of the country. You were slightly out in
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: the wops, aren't you.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm in coach school. That's in the wops.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Ye wouldn't that be funny? Somebody actually said, as part
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: of the real estate blurb, Hey, look it's a bit
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: out in the whops, but wow, what a house. I'd
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: be curious.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: That would be a you know, come on, agents, let's
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: see what traction that gets.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: It's funny. I was visiting some friends at Huapai over Christmas,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: which that used to be seen as being out in
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the wops, but now it's you know, heard of suburbia. Boy. Amazing. Anyway, Hey,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: thanks so much, nice to see you, Nicole. We'll look
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: forward to next time. Hey, we'll be back with the
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: parents squads next talking about how do you help your
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: kids when they're not very happy with those NCA results.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Dealing with failure. Nathan Wallace is with us that'll be
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: in just a moment. We're coming up to it's coming
• 40:51
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• 40:53
  Speaker 2: He'd be.
• 41:05
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• 41:06
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• 41:10
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