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126 "We Took Out Their Asset" | Air Force Pilots Threatened After Dogman Encounter · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: There was this massive dog man and he had already
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  Speaker 1: had one Paul, massive Paul on my front the chield,
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  Speaker 1: and one Paul right above my mirror on the driver's side,
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  Speaker 1: and the driver's side of my car just pushed down,
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  Speaker 1: just the weight of it just puts pushed down, and
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  Speaker 1: the Paul that was on my front windshield, my windshield
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  Speaker 1: started cracking.
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  Speaker 2: And held it and held it and held it.
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  Speaker 3: And then while I was holding it, but it's like the.
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  Speaker 2: Ground underneath me just kind of opened up and I
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  Speaker 2: just kind of fell through the planet.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't moving, he wasn't blinking, like there was a
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  Speaker 3: complete like just like blankness to his face, like there
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  Speaker 3: was this there was nothing there.
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  Speaker 2: I rubbed my corn my.
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  Speaker 1: Truck, I jump out the truck and tuck, and that's
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  Speaker 1: what I knew it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was just golf there.
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  Speaker 1: There would be a real low guttural brown.
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  Speaker 3: One more step and he's going to be in clear view.
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  Speaker 2: And he takes that one.
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  Speaker 3: More step and he just it was like he just
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  Speaker 3: stepped behind an invisible curtain and he wasn't there anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show everyone. This episode is with
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  Speaker 3: I really know where to begin, but this is with
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  Speaker 3: Matt Harvey. First of all, shout out to Daniel J.
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  Speaker 3: Williams over there at the Krypton Wranglers forgetting me in
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  Speaker 3: contact with him. Thank you so much Daniel for that.
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  Speaker 3: Going like and subscribe to their channel, great podcast or
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  Speaker 3: Blue Guy, So I contacted Matt. Matt came on in
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  Speaker 3: the afternoon. It's the only time he had time to
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  Speaker 3: do it, and there was so much This is such
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  Speaker 3: a jam packed episode of basically the genis of what
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  Speaker 3: Matt has experienced and then became. And I kind of
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  Speaker 3: centered the podcast around a quick moment towards the end
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  Speaker 3: when he's told me about some Air Force pilots who
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  Speaker 3: took out a dog man even though they didn't know
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  Speaker 3: what it was, and the government then came by and
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  Speaker 3: basically threatened them with their careers, telling them that and
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  Speaker 3: if you say anything about it, you're not going to
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  Speaker 3: be pilots anymore. Incredible, incredible episode if you keep coming
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  Speaker 3: back to the episode. First of all, thank episode to
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  Speaker 3: the podcast. First of all, thanks, I appreciate that. Please
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  Speaker 3: leave me a rating. I would really really appreciate that
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  Speaker 3: if we can get this up there so more people
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  Speaker 3: can hear these incredible stories and accounters. If you want
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  Speaker 3: to reach out to me, you can do so at
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  Speaker 3: the IA Jupiter Podcast at gmail dot com. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this has been a lot of fun. I really hope
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  Speaker 3: you enjoy this episode. I know I did. It's one
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  Speaker 3: for the ages. Thank you so much. Matt Harvey.
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  Speaker 2: Hey you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing well, my friend. How are you doing in
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  Speaker 3: sunny Texas?
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  Speaker 2: For now?
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  Speaker 3: For now?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Was it raining a lot? Oh, it's been pouring.
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  Speaker 2: We've got five inches of rain the last three or
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  Speaker 2: four days. They're expecting a lot more.
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  Speaker 3: Had rain last night and it's the first time we've
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  Speaker 3: had rain in about three and a half months. But
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  Speaker 3: here in a Yugatan it's that we have dry season,
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  Speaker 3: so it's like the rainforest kind of thing. So it
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  Speaker 3: was dry as a cotton fart, and we had a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of drizzle last night. So when out the
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  Speaker 3: water my banana plants today, I'm very happy. Yeah, Matt,
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  Speaker 3: first of all, I reached out to you invited you
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  Speaker 3: to come on the show. You accepted the invitation. First
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  Speaker 3: of all, thank you so much for that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, well, thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: That's not a problem. Do me a favorite Matt, tell
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  Speaker 3: people a little bit about yourself and where they can
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  Speaker 3: find you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my name is Matt Harvey. I've been researching the
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  Speaker 2: paranormal for thirty three years now. I grew I grew
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  Speaker 2: up with ghosts, and about seventeen years ago, I had
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  Speaker 2: my first bigfoot encounter or sighting I should say, with
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  Speaker 2: about thirty two other people. Uh, just shocked the hell
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  Speaker 2: out of me. Uh you know, I didn't know what
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  Speaker 2: to you know, what was going on. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: why is this thing standing out there in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the field, you know, fourteen plus feet tall, and
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  Speaker 2: just shocked. You have every great, huge creature.
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  Speaker 3: So you have the podcast. Tell me a little bit
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  Speaker 3: about your podcast. First, man, let's AEAD and get you
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  Speaker 3: promoted up here.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, we started the podcast about three years ago.
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  Speaker 2: A bunch of my friends are like, you have so
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  Speaker 2: many stories, and all of yours are telling us stories.
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  Speaker 2: You should just go on and create a podcast and
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  Speaker 2: share them with people. Because, like I said, I grew
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  Speaker 2: up ghosts, terrified at ghosts until I was about nineteen
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  Speaker 2: when I met my wife and she basically taught me
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  Speaker 2: to turn the tables and and uh so I started
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  Speaker 2: investigating the paranormal at nineteen years old, back in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety five, when ghost unting was not popular and was
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  Speaker 2: dealing with the negative side of the paramo normal. Didn't
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  Speaker 2: know what the hell I was doing, And I started
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  Speaker 2: getting some crazy audio clips on you know, the how
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  Speaker 2: the you are. But I'm gonna show my age here
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  Speaker 2: an old audio recorder, uh tape recorder, and uh scared
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  Speaker 2: the hell out of my dad because he was a lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: And he went to, uh, you know, put give his
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  Speaker 2: secretary something he had dictated and I had recorded on
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  Speaker 2: a fresh tape and he had no idea what it was.
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  Speaker 2: And he comes into my room. He's like, what is it? Like,
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  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Yeah? Him and my dad's
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  Speaker 2: an all believer, right, could you be like? What? Something
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  Speaker 2: must have been all there that scared the hell out
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  Speaker 2: of him.
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  Speaker 3: M's been really funny. It would be like, Debbie, could
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  Speaker 3: you please He's like, notating, could you please fact those
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  Speaker 3: documents to Johnson and Williamson police. There is somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a lot nastier than that,
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  Speaker 2: because he was terrified. His face went white. Thank god
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  Speaker 2: he didn't give it to his secretary, but he listened back.
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  Speaker 2: I recorded for like a half an hour up in
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  Speaker 2: that and they weren't. I was by myself about almost
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  Speaker 2: a six thousand square from home in that house. They
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  Speaker 2: built that house and it was on Indian burial ground
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  Speaker 2: and we didn't know it. And so there was also
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  Speaker 2: other things that happened. I mean, tools disappeared while the
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  Speaker 2: workers were building the house. My dad was in construction
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  Speaker 2: at that point, and a lot of the crazy things happened,
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  Speaker 2: Things got rearranged, I mean typical paranormal activity, like ghostly activity,
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  Speaker 2: and then shadow people, people saw things, they wouldn't come
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  Speaker 2: back to the site. Okay like that. So but that
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  Speaker 2: was why I was on my teen years kind of
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  Speaker 2: started back when I was a Yeah, I mean if
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  Speaker 2: you listen to every you know, if you go back
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  Speaker 2: and listen to some a lot of our podcast guests
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  Speaker 2: who are end up ghost hunting and they're doing their research,
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  Speaker 2: it all it seems like we all have the same story.
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  Speaker 2: You've you've been podcasting for a long time, You've probably
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  Speaker 2: heard the same thing. And it all started back when
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  Speaker 2: I was a kid, and that experience and then next thing,
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  Speaker 2: I know, you know, I just got curious in it
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  Speaker 2: and the more I did the research, the more it was, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the more interesting they got in it for me,
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  Speaker 2: it was more terrifying for me. Uh you know, all
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  Speaker 2: the way I've told he was about six, I could
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  Speaker 2: see ghosts like they were you and I, and then, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, something happened. I don't know what it was that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, psychic came up to me one time and
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know. She was like, I didn't even know
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  Speaker 2: what the psychic was at that point. She cames up
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  Speaker 2: to me, she goes to you when you were six,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't know. She sad. She's like,
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  Speaker 2: you should go through you know, regression with a somebody
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  Speaker 2: that can hypnotize you and tell you what exactly happened. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, damn, okay, you know. But then
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  Speaker 2: I stopped seeing them, you know, as as solid people
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  Speaker 2: like you and I, and they became more like you know,
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  Speaker 2: basically like shadow people or just catching glimpse of them
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  Speaker 2: like most other people do. But I do see them
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  Speaker 2: a lot. In fact, a lot of the stuff behind
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  Speaker 2: me on the shelf there I was haunted objects. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I just redid this whole office last week and so
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  Speaker 2: it's been like a hornet's nest in here. They're not
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  Speaker 2: very happy about having their stuff rearranged. You know. You
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  Speaker 2: can see the old haunted doll up there. She's hard,
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  Speaker 2: but she just needed a place to go. And we
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  Speaker 2: repaired that doll a little bit. But I've got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the other dolls you can't see, and I'll
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  Speaker 2: just do this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, O my god.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah you can see them all. And then Andy is
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  Speaker 2: there life size doll. He kind of looks like the
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  Speaker 2: Raggedy and doll, right, so yeah, essentially yeah, uh, he's
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  Speaker 2: got a little boy attached to him. And I was
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  Speaker 2: sitting in another room one day and he was I
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  Speaker 2: had a different couch in here on this against this
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  Speaker 2: window over here, and I look over and I just
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  Speaker 2: see this little head pop out, I mean like a
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  Speaker 2: circular head, like a head just looked out through the
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  Speaker 2: through the doll and starts looking around the room like
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  Speaker 2: what the hell. I had to pinch myself. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: am I just you know, hallucinating or but no. The
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  Speaker 2: dog starts growling, my little dog and he starts growling
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  Speaker 2: at it, and I'm like, what the hell. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what actually got my attention and I looked over him, like,
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  Speaker 2: holy crap, and I didn't know. He's a good little boy,
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  Speaker 2: though he's not anybody that you know. Some of these dolls, though,
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  Speaker 2: some of these dolls up here are not going back
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  Speaker 2: into circulation ever, if I can help it. Some of
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  Speaker 2: them are not. This room is blessed. I keep this
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  Speaker 2: room blessed, and I do not let anything out of
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  Speaker 2: this room. You know, every once in a while, I
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  Speaker 2: get a little kid walking through the house. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: a little little girl, she's one of the nicer ones.
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  Speaker 2: She just kind of roams around. But yeah, there's some
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  Speaker 2: dolls in here that are very malevolent, and uh, I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't want a little kid getting them. So so what's
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  Speaker 2: to keep them out of circulation? Okay? To protect sometimes
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  Speaker 2: we do a spirit box or ghost box session with
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  Speaker 2: them with this, okay, and you can see that there
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  Speaker 2: we go getting used to the new camp, like my
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  Speaker 2: computer used to be over there. Yeah, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: rearranged everything in here, so but yeah, we had I've
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  Speaker 2: been collecting those for for about the last three or
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  Speaker 2: four years, just trying to keep them out of circulation.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, because like I said, when I grew up,
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  Speaker 2: I was terrified to ghosts and things happened to me
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  Speaker 2: like my I had a bunk bed. Pillow would go
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  Speaker 2: flying out this way, you know, railing on this side,
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  Speaker 2: and had a ladder at the bottom on this side
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  Speaker 2: of the bed, two route ladders, and then the bottom
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  Speaker 2: bunk could sometimes turn out into an l and then
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  Speaker 2: the dresser would go in on this side, which was cool.
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  Speaker 2: It was a really cool setup. Anyways, I had my
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  Speaker 2: pillow go flying out this way, go straight down, disappear,
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  Speaker 2: and then it always end up at the foot of
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  Speaker 2: the ladder. And uh. This happened to be a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And so one night I basically was holding onto it
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  Speaker 2: like this, you know, so it wouldn't get pulled out,
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  Speaker 2: and something yanked I held it. I'm like nope. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And then I think I fell asleep. And oh and
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  Speaker 2: then I looked down. I couldn't find it, find it anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, it's at the ladder. It's like all my tummy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm crawling down. And I reached down and I pull
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  Speaker 2: on the pole on it right, grabbing hold of the
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  Speaker 2: pillow and I got to pull it up and and
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  Speaker 2: something yanks back. And then I heard this creepy little
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  Speaker 2: girl's laugh. Oh my god, I can't even mimic the laugh.
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  Speaker 2: It was scary. And shadows just a dark darting around
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  Speaker 2: my room. Close the door, you stop and close. Have
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  Speaker 2: you seen the movie The sixth since, yes, where he
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  Speaker 2: has that FOURT tint that shadow goes by. Well, I
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  Speaker 2: used to take the bottom bunk and turn it out
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  Speaker 2: into an L. So you had the bunk bed this
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  Speaker 2: way and the l out like this, and I put
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  Speaker 2: a sheet over and I took a line on inside
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  Speaker 2: because I couldn't sleep. I became an insomniac guy seven
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  Speaker 2: eight years old because I just couldn't sleep because of
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  Speaker 2: all activity, and I didn't understand what it was. My
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  Speaker 2: mom was heavily Catholic. My dad was nonbeliever. And back
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  Speaker 2: growing up in the eighties, you didn't see psychic ghost medium,
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  Speaker 2: you know, polter guy. You didn't talk about any of
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  Speaker 2: that stuff. It was like forbidden. You know, they put
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  Speaker 2: you in a house basically, you know, so they you know,
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  Speaker 2: he started talking about that stuff. So anyways, my mom
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  Speaker 2: kind of knew something was going on. And the shadow
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  Speaker 2: just goes right by the sheet, right Jesus, out of
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  Speaker 2: the you just see a silhouette go and it was
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  Speaker 2: a very tall you know, it's probably about my heart
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  Speaker 2: at that point in time, and so scared of living
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  Speaker 2: with Jesus out of me. But yeah, there was a
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  Speaker 2: figure that would come out of the closet and then
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  Speaker 2: go back in, and it was scary. Do you think
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  Speaker 2: it was a little girl?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think do you think it's maybe the same
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  Speaker 3: little girl that's roaming the No, No.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that was a little girl. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it was a little girl. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: more of the let's just call it the negative side
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  Speaker 2: of things. I think that was what was going on. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So then as I got into my teenage years, we
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  Speaker 2: moved out of that house and we moved over to
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  Speaker 2: another house in the area. And the guy had died,
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  Speaker 2: he had kind of had a heart attack, and his
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  Speaker 2: family kept the house basically was rigging it out. So
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  Speaker 2: we were staying there for about a year and I
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  Speaker 2: used to go into the rec room over the garage
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  Speaker 2: and he had this beautiful, really long, I want to
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  Speaker 2: say it was ten fifteen feet long. He had this
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  Speaker 2: beautiful bar. It was like a three thousand square foot room,
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  Speaker 2: and he loved the bar. And he had a dance
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  Speaker 2: floor in there and all that stuff. I think he
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  Speaker 2: just used to do parties or whatever. And so essentially
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  Speaker 2: he uh, Basically, one night, I'm sleeping in there, and
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  Speaker 2: I was sleeping on the ball on couch because they
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  Speaker 2: didn't like my room. My room was tiny in that
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  Speaker 2: little house. I didn't care because we were moving anyways. Well,
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  Speaker 2: story short, I started hearing like bottles being jiggled around
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  Speaker 2: right like clanking together, and all of a sudden, this
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  Speaker 2: guy stands up with these bottles and sets them on
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  Speaker 2: the counter and looks over at me with this just
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  Speaker 2: less angry face, like why are you in my house?
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  Speaker 2: And then disappears and I went, oh no.
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  Speaker 3: Like like a full fledge like I'm sitting.
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  Speaker 2: In the operation. He looks, he looks solid me. He
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  Speaker 2: looks just like you and me, And I'm like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I almost started calling from my mom. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was a teenager at that point. I was just
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  Speaker 2: about sixteen fifteen, so I wasn't as scared, but I
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  Speaker 2: was still trawlve probbatized by it. And so looking at
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  Speaker 2: this thing, I'm going, uh, you know, there's a guy
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  Speaker 2: in the house. Where did he come from? And then
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  Speaker 2: he just disappeared on it. Oh and so did the battles.
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  Speaker 2: So it's almost like a residual type thing. But when
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  Speaker 2: he turned to look at me, it showed intelligence. And
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  Speaker 2: oh and ever since then he you know, after that,
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  Speaker 2: he was all over me. He would try and scare
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  Speaker 2: me anyway he could. I don't remember what all happened
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  Speaker 2: after that, but then we moved into that other house
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  Speaker 2: that my dad built about two years later. And that
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  Speaker 2: house unfortunately had something very negative in it. And uh,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't after me. It was after my brother actually,
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  Speaker 2: I think, but it was trying to you know, it
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  Speaker 2: was one of the higher up entities I could possess somebody, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and it definitely had a negative influence. My friends would
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  Speaker 2: not stay the night.
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  Speaker 3: Can you you keep hinting at these dark side of
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  Speaker 3: things and the other side of things. Could you maybe
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  Speaker 3: go into that a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm the person that people call when you
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  Speaker 2: know there's nobody else to call. You know, we get
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  Speaker 2: called in for ghost hunts and dealing with that kind
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  Speaker 2: of that side of things when you know things get
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  Speaker 2: really bad. I'm the guy that they call in when
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: everybody's sleeping in one room on a you know, on
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  Speaker 2: a mattress because we want to stay in their own
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  Speaker 2: room when things get really bad. Unfortunately, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: get the worst of the worst cases. We go in
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  Speaker 2: and close homes and stuff like that. I don't really
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  Speaker 2: like to that much, but you know, somebody needs help
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  Speaker 2: and we come in help, but we don't we don't
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  Speaker 2: charge anything for that. We just go help them. We
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  Speaker 2: don't want anybody living in fear of the paranormal, extremely
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  Speaker 2: because I grew up with that and I know scary
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  Speaker 2: that can be and some of the things that we've seen.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so god, what was it eighteen nineteen years ago?
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  Speaker 2: I started a group called the California Ghost Hunters go
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  Speaker 2: as long as I go back in early two thousands. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was about fifteen sixteen years ago. And uh, basically
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  Speaker 2: we became a TAPS family member team. And UH started
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  Speaker 2: out with just a bunch of friends. Basically we were
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: my wife and I and a few other friends. We
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: would We didn't have a gear at that time, you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: we didn't have the night vision king, you know, gear,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: we didn't have audio quarterers. We basically just were going
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: to like the Wayley House, the Queen Mary and anywhere
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: else we could go that was said to be haunted,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: to go try and experience something. I mean, we lived
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: on the Queen Mary. We were where's the basically where's that.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Where's the Long Beach? Long Beach, Okay, Long Beach, California. Yeah,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: so we basically we used to live in California, and
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: so we we were there like every weekend. It seemed
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: like we were just there every opportunity we got, and
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: we would we necessarily wouldn't stay in the night, but
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: we would you know, spend most of the night roaming
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: the ship. And they didn't care back in the early
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: you know, late nineties, early two thousands, they didn't care
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: if you rolled their on to the ship. And uh
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: the way the house too. Now you can't you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: the last time I was in the way I was
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: it is probably about several eight years ago. And they
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: don't like anybody doing any kind of paranormal research in
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: there at all without paying for it. Unfortunately, that's what
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: this field has become. People have seen to chieve the cheat,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the cheat, you know, they can make money off of it.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: And so unfortunately that's the way the ware this field's going.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: And I think it's going to sour the field to
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: be a little bit honest with you. I understand the
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: business owners saying, hey, you know, you want to come
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: in and do an investigation. You know, I'm only I'm
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: going to charge you a certain about but you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: the astronomical prices that they're charging people is yeah.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I mean someone to like, you know, maybe like some
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: type of insurance thing. You break something, you fix it,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: you know, sweeping and cleaning the house, things like that.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: I understand that, bringing kind of like dirt on your shoes.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I get that, maybe a little maintenance on the house
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: things like that. But like I understand, it's it's become
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: some type of capitalistic system because people are into it,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: which I understand too, but there is I think there's
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: be some type of cutoff point that us Yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it just got popular, you know, with taps
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: coming out and stuff like that. Basically, it was all
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: one night Christmas Eve and uh, we're at a party
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and everybody looks at me and they're like watching the
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: show and they look at me and they're like, that's
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: totally you man, that's what you do, you know, and
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: they're like, you should start a group, you know, and
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: they of course the people that were doing it casually
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: with me didn't want to do it. And my wife,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I kind of she was part of the team, kind
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: of off the side. She didn't go to investigations because
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I was afraid something would happen to her, right, and
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: we just never knew what we were going to get into.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: But you know, now she comes with me all the time.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: But so we were looking. We basically started a team
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: start with like three or four people, and we grew
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: into a team of thirty. We became so popular. I mean,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: if you've ever seen that show, we had all that,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: We became a tap family team. We got to the
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: point where we're getting in so many cases that we
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: were doing what two to three investigations a weekend. Literally,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I have three, two to three four teams going out
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: in different locations. AVR systems. Everybody had at least one
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Sony handicam. You know back in the day those so
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: the incams were the thing. Now they're still pretty good,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: but the other cameras are caught up. You know, everybody
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: had at least one audio corder, if not two. Everybody
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: had at least one K two and stuff like that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: And uh so you know, we went out and we
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: we did the research and we did that for god
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen years until basically I burned out and uh,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of came down to a man saying,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: you know, do you want your marriage or do you
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: want to keep it going with the ghost Sonny and
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: we were working with Fox. I'm trying to put together
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: a show, but we couldn't come to an agreement because
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: they wanted to take reality and make it not reality.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Was just put it that way. The producer not far,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: but the producer did. And it's like, no, you know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: that's not what we want to do. We want to
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: keep it real. We don't want fake crap out there.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And to this day, I don't like fake crap. We
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: don't do fake crap souh. After that, basically I took
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: a break, started going to place, you know, doing my
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: own research on my own when I could. I started
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: going to place called Black Sar Canyon, said San Juel Camistrano.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Uh, that's what Daniel d J. Williams was telling me
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: about Black Star. Yeah, can you tell me about that place?
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Black Star Canyon Unfortunately gets a bad rap. If you
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: look at Black Sarcanyon, you know there's been a lot
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: of murders that have happened there. There's been a lot
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: of history from there. They started out with Mexico when
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: he get and basically you know, doing uh farming, cattle
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: farming there. Uh. Basically there was a little lake up
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: there called over a Lake that basically they had and
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: then there's a lot of fur trappers that were up
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: in that area, and also there were some Indians, and
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: yes they did get into a skirmish, but you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: because they were stealing horses. And people think that the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Indians lived up there the full time. They didn't actually
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: live up there. During the summer. It was too hot,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: too rough for them to stay up there, so they
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: moved out of that area. But they would steal horses.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: They would eat horse meat, so they would steal horses
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: from the local ranchers. And there was a skirmish and
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: basically what happened was, you know, the fur trappers were
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: like marksmen. They were like snipers of today. I mean,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: they were way better equipped with way better gear, guns
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So of course it was a slaughter.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: They just basically stuck in and killed about four or
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: five Indians. There was a cowboy, a couple of cowboys
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that got in a fight over a horse and ended
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: up shooting one of the guys, and so basically he
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: said to haunt that area. Indians are said to haunt
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: the area. I've actually heard of a chief that actually
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: stands above the If you first walk through into Black
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Star Canyon, let me kind of online this. It's black
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Star Canyon is up in the San Ana Mountains in
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: the Cleveland National Forest. Basically, it's just it used to
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: be a singling highway, not too lane, but singleing, you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: meaning that if you came down against another car, you
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: have to move out of the way or try and
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: get around him to get by. It was basically before
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the night he went through and the Ortega went through
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: out there. That was the highway out to Riverside. So
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: essentially there was a lot of accidents, especially when it rained.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: It floods up there, but actually does rain in California.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: So basically people would be coming down and you have
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to back up and sometimes they fall off the edge
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: or whatever. There's a lot of accidents. People definitely did
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: to lose their lives, but there's just no history of it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: There's no mention of it in the historical records. For
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: some reason, it does have There's been murders up there,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: There's been you know, Satanic rituals supposedly performed up there.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I've gone up there. I used to research up there.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I researched up there for fourteen years. I was up
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: there day night, all hours of the night and day
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: most of the time by myself. People are like, why
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: would you go out there in the middle of night
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: to investigate? Well, I mean I was safe. I knew
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: what I was doing. You know, it was very careful.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I always carried my provisions with me. I had an
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: extra water, extra food, you know, extra. This isn't that
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: there was no cellphon when I first started going up there.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: It was very spotty cell phone service. I think there
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: is better service now. But people go missing up there
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: all the time. They get they get lost, they get injured,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: they go off trail, stuff like that. So basically, a
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Blackstar mining company, our Blackstarcadian got its name from the
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Blackstar Mining Company, which mined up there for about eight years.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And for some reason, when they became they were mining
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: low grade coal, and just when they became basically what
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: is it called, when they started making money they essentially
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: sold for some reason and left it, but they kept
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: it as the Blackstar Mining Company. And so essentially that
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: road goes up through into the Cleveland National Forest. And
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: like I said, there's been murders, has been deaths. Unfortunately,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: it was a tragic accident before you get to the
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: gate allout to San Diego and Katie Road. The kids,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the teenagers liked to go up there and drag race
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: and there was a young lady that lost her life
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: when the kid was doing about eighty miles an hour.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: He slammed on the brakes because the other guy kint
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: him off, and she flew out the windshield and she
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: flew about eighty feet to her death. And so she
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: haunts that corner right as you turn off of Stea
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Kenya Road and then turned left onto Blockstar Road. She
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: haunts that corner. We actually made contact with her through
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: the k two meters.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: There's also there's also like according to Daniel Joe Williams
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: from the Crypt the Cryptive Wranglers, there's a there's a bit,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a history, at least as far
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: as I know. I don't know, you're gonna have to
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: inform me of crypt sightings up there as well.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Is that also, Yeah, there's uh, there's hauntings, UFO sidings,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Bigfoot sightings. That's where of my first big foot sighting.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: In fact. Yeah, So, I mean I've heard dog Man
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: up there. I've heard of I've heard of just about
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: anything paranormal that place. It's on an earthquake fault and
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: it has his own energy. It's crazy. There's no power
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: up there. There's power lines, but there's no power. You know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: there's homes scattered around in the in the canyon. But
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I mean literally, you can scream bloody murder and nobody
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: to hear you. I mean it's literally it's in the county,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: but it's literally in the middle of nowhere. Okay, And
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I used to. I used to. I got
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: in good with a ghost. I basically started having encounters
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: one after another, like the Lady White. Basically she started
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: to communicate with us. She's very fond of kids, very
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: protective of kids.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: We believe that she's the lady that drowned her kids
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: in the San Diego Canyon Creek and the sant Ana
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: River basically runs right through there, and so she's also
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: stationed with San Juan Capistrano, and so she basically what
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: happened was her husband cheated on her, and so basically
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: to punish him, she went and drown the kids, and
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: she tried to drown herself but didn't wasn't able to
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: so they didn't actually prosecute her. They just basically kicked
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: her out of San Juan Cambistranto and she lived in
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: shame for the rest of her life. But this happened
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: early nineteen hundreds.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Is that is that the same as like, like.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, uh huh, that is her. It's full and
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: black Stark Canadian. She's actually we've actually seen her like
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: in a bubble, like a human size form, you know,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: four or five foot bubble floating over the creek. And
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: then a lot of the time you see her up there,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: she looks like she's in a white wedding gown. All
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: you see is like the tail of a wedding gown.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: It's really weird. A lot of people have seen her.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I call Black Stark Candy its shadow wand because there's
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: shadows that just dart back and forth across the road
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: up there. So again it's just at this point, it's
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: basically a signaling highway, but they shut it off because
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: it was such a dangerous place and there was so
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: many accidents, and when they were take a highway way
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: through and the ninety went went through, they close it
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: off and made it into a nature preserve. And so,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: like they said, there's all kinds of animals out there.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It's very, very wild, and so essentially, yes, there are bigfoots.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: My very first bigfoot counter pretty much happened the first
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: time I went out there. I didn't even know I
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: had a bigfoot counter. I didn't really believe in bigfoot
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: at that point. I thought they were just something people
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: made up. I believe it does because I grew up
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: with them. I didn't have any choice in that. But
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: we were walking, we walked through the gate, we got
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: about a half mile down and this big black silhouette
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: was just crouched down on the left side of the
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: road about behind, about six feet crouched down and literally,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: you know, you know a wide road is basically it
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: was about three or four feet off the road, stood up,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: it was about twelve thirteen fourteen feet tall. Literally steps
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: into the middle road, steps off the other side of
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the road, and behind disappears behind a oak tree single.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty wide road. I mean it's wider than
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: a single. It's almost like a double. Okay it is.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I mean you could basically put two cars next to
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: each other. But they call them signal highway. I just
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: get up there. They widened it over the time just
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: because it's so dangerous to walk up there. But basically
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: it's it's a fire access road at this point. They
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: used it to get up there because California has such
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: horrible wildfires. So essentially, yeah, this thing walks across the
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: road and disappears, or we thought it disappear. Back then,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: we didn't you know, this is back in the early
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: two thousands. We didn't have you know, all that technology,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: so we didn't know what we had just seen. And
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: we were like, okay, what the hell was that when
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: we thought it was just the tallest shadow person we'd
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: ever seen, and back in the day, uh, this is
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: the first time I've ever been there, and we heard
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: stories and we're like, okay, this is creepy as hell.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: And it was you know, moonlight nights, you can still
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: see but you're walking along and as as we all
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, all stop at the same time, you
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: hear in the gravel here, and then it was stop,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: like somebody was walking. It was like they felt like
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: there's people walking with us, and I was the only
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: one who was picking up on it. Someone asked me,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: you know when my non believers became a believer that night,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: and that sucks when my skeptics become believers. But yeah,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: because they're they're not skeptical anymore. It's like, you know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I need you to keep me honest, just to make
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: sure when I double checked myself, you know what I mean.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I like to keep myself honest. My wife kind of
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: works in that manner now. She questions everything because then
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: then I have to double check and look at and
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: make sure that I, oh sure, you know what I mean,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Because if you did something out there and you go, oh,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: this is definitely a ghost and somebody can disprove it
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: real quick, then you're like, uh, egg on your face,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: and you're like you know, so, yeah, I like to
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: make sure my evidence is one hundred percent reel, or
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: at least to my knowledge, that's one hundred percent reel
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: and I can't debunk it. I hate that word, but again,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that's what we learned when we work with the top
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: family member teams. You know, they we learned to debunk
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the first two hours of investigations, basically going through trying
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: to figure out what every noise was and that they
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: were claiming they were experiencing or trying to recreate situations
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: where we could explain something away to take away that
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: fear for the client. But anyways, so that was my
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: first bigfoot counter and then I started doing ghost tours
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: excuse me, doing ghost tours up there. And we were
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: walking around the corner about them all and a half
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: from where the gate is, and all of a sudden,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: there's this beautiful, huge old oak tree. It's probably about
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: three or four feet and I am its huge. I
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: mean the trunks, I mean, the branch saw that tree
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: are probably a foot or at least two or three
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: feet wide. I mean they're at the smallest. You know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: that tree is really old. It's beautiful, but it grows
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: right down on the creek. So we were walking around
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the corner and I thought somebody was shooting a shotgun
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: at us here bang bang bang. I never treeknock before,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: so I didn't know, and I'm like, holy crame. It
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: happened like within feet of us, and it's the first
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: time we sat a like shotgun and we all hit
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: the ground. We're like, what the hell, We're all down
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: on the ground. We're like, I'm looking back, it's everybody okay.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: And I had about five people with me. Every okay,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: you know, and yeah, I'm like checking myself. I'm like,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not hitting anything else hit And then happens again,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: but it sounds more witty, and I never put two
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: and two together. I'm like, okay, that's range. So we
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: continued all with that tour and then nothing else happened.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I can't think. I think there was a couple of
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: other times that we had some strange things happened where
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: we saw very large shadows go across the road, but
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I always just thought they were shadow people. Anyways. So
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: fast forward about four or five years later, Halloween Knight,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I was basically I had people horseshoed behind the car.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I had about thirty people on a very large group
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: of ghost hunting people. That night we were doing ghost
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: tour and barber offence on the left side and a
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: little burb, a little sand bourb and then it goes
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: down and kind of flattens out and then there's an
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: open kind of forested area on that side, and so
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: we're sitting there and I'm giving my safety spill because
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: safety is important. You got to make sure nobody disappears
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: on me or gets injured or anything like that. Even
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: though I had to sign a waiver, I just didn't
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: want to have any issues. Of course, I don't want
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: anybody getting hurt or anything like that. So giving my
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: safety spill. One of the girls on the left, who's
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: standing next to the burn on the burb, tells me, oh, hey,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: somebody just threw some rocks at us, Like, oh, crap, rocks.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? She goes, yeah, they just lighted
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: on our feet. I'm like, okay, that's strange. Another big
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: foot behavior. And so I'm like, okay, let me know
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: what happens again, because I'm thinking to myself, okay, stupid teenagers,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: the trespassing over over there and trying to scare people
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: out of here, you know what I mean. So I'm
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: thinking I'm just you know, trying to debunk whatever's going on,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: and she goes, well, no, it just happened again. I'm like, okay,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: we're gonna teach his kids a lesson. Right, So I
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: get the six biggest guys I can and I'm pretty
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: good sized too, and I'm gonna go over there, just
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: screaming all with these kids.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: So we get onto the room. But we're sitting there
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: and I had a little bit of light on the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: top of my head, and so I start skating from
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: about forty five to gray angle. I got to about here,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: and you know, it's just about like here. I spotlighted it,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there and it's it's it's not quite
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: dusk yet, it's just starting at dark. You can still
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: see it's still a little bit light out, and there's
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: a silvery gray, huge thing just standing there. And this
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: thing was pushing thirteen fourteen feet I mean the body.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I'm six foot two, about three hundred pounds arms on
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: the body or as big as be as big as
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: my torso. And I'm looking at this and the chest
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: was just ginormous, probably about four or five feet wide,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: watermelon for a head, I mean this huge, gianormous head
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: and just sitting there looking at us, and like, what
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: the hell? And I'm sure my jaw hit the ground
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: because it was turned it it turned into a steering
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: call test I don't know how long we were standing there.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I completely lost track of time. But finally somebody dudges me.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: They're like trying to snap me out of this trans right, Matt, Matt.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, are you guys seeing this too or
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: it's just me? And they're like, no, no, we're seeing it,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and so you know, I'm like okay, They're like, oh, yeah,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: you know, go grab it. Do you have a camera?
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: And I wasn't picky. I hadn't. I actually had a
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: video camera with me that night, and Sodi hating Camp
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: probably wouldn't have seen it either. But I ran back
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: to my car and grab my little cool picks and
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the flashes, you know, that little tiny little cool you
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: know flash they have on those little cameras. I flipped
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: the flash up and this thing's probably about thirty twenty
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: five feet away, thirty feet away. Put a little flash up,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and I've got my miner's like shining on it. And
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I take a picture and this thing goes like this
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: then grimaces and just made this face I'll never forget.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: It's just a scowl, and it growled this gut er
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: old growl. I can't even wow. And I'm like, oh
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: my god, it's gonna come over here, ribas piece for piece,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, was to tear us up
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: and kill us. All it could have gotten to us
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: in seconds. I'm like, holy crap, you know, like okay, So,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: being smart as I am, I looked down. I was like,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: oh crap. The picture came out black, and I turned
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: my monitor's like up one launched and I took a
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: better picture of it, and it just stood there, and
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it wasn't happy. And you know, you know
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: how they stand there and they try to look like
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: a tree. So I think that's what I was trying
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: to do, was standing oh, completely out and the open.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I think it was walking across, trying to sneak across,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and somebody happened to catch a glimpse of it and
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: it stopped and froze. Thinking that if it just stood there,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: maybe we wouldn't notice it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: But how did it explain the rock throwing? The rock
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: throwing get away from me?
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I was trying to get their attention. Maybe yeah,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: silvery gray, maybe it didn't care. It's older. It's really
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: cuge that you know anybody could see it anyways, it's uh,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: basically stood there again. And we continued to sit there
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: watching it, and I finally said out loud, you know,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: you know we could see you, right, and it looked
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: at me and it kind of graveled again, and it
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: walks behind this tree. And this thing's pushing fourteen feet tall.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: It walked behind about a I don't know, nine or
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: ten foot tree and it's it's like it that's it's
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: belly button essentially where it's belly but would be. And
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: it's towering over this thing, and I'm like, holy crap,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: you know, and it grabs. I had no idea they
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: threw trees or pulled trees up or did anything with
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: trees and grabs the tree like this with both hands.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what is it doing? I had no idea
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: about any big put behaviors at this point, and so
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell is it doing? And it's like,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: you know, we can still see you. And when it
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: walked over there, it made no noise. It was just
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: just real quiet, and then it stopped off. He got bad.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It started growling. It just almost like cursing under his breath. Ah,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: you know, it walks off, it stomps off and when
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: it walked away, this time, this thing is probably pushing
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: eight nine hundred pounds at least. Boom, boom, boom, and
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: it shook the whole ground as it walked. It felt
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: like a like a bitty earthquake. Uh so, yeah, it
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: walks by the trees and you can hear it snap
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: and branches and stuff back there. You couldn't see anymore,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: but you could hear it back there, and I'm like, okay,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: And that's why my realization came. I was like a
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: kid in candy stores, like, holy crap, they're real right,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I was so excited and I
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: couldn't wait to get the tour done. I felt bad
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: for this people. In fact, they invited me to get
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: more with them about two years later, which was fun.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: We had a crazy experience with them, I.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Mean their whole lights. Who will like people who you know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: have heard wood knocks or things doing hunting and they'll
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: go out and say I'm gonna start. They call it squatching,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: which I really don't not big fan of the word either,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: but they'll go out there and they won't have an
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: experience like that. That is one of the most like
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: obvious like right in your face experiences, and that's your
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: first time around.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: So that's thats where I started. Yeah, that's where it started.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: So up driving home and I'm calling my wife, I'm like,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: oh my god, they're real. She's like, what are you
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: talking about? What's real? And she doesn't believe in big Foot,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: which is great, you know, I love having her by skeptic,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: and so she's I'm telling her all these things and
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: she's like, what are you talking about? What are you smoking?
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: What did you guys smoke while you're up there? And
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I don't smoke, you know what I mean, I don't
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: do any of that stuff. But so then I got
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: really interested in them, and I spent the next eight
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: years until we moved here, researching them. And so I
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: started going up there again day and night, trying to
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: trying to have experiences with them. Started watching that show
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Finding Bigfoot, and started learning as much as I could,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you know, websites and all that stuff, and started having
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: sightings of them daytime, nighttime, all different sightings, all different shapes, colors, sizes.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: My last encounter probably was the scariest I've ever had.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: There was two I believe they were twins. I called
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: them the bouncers. In my experience, the black ones are
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the biggest. They're usually pushing fourteen. Some of them aren't
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: even bigger than that. Bigfoots actually get much larger from
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: my experiences, not only a Blackstar, but Joe's camp, which
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: is already a tube channel. We came across about it
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: almost a twenty footer there. I mean that thing was
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: a massive twenty almost thirty foot footprints inch footprints. Excuse
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: me anyways, getting back to Blackstar. So I believe that
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: was the elder and I think that after I think
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: that was a generation. And so they started showing themselves
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: to us, to me at least daytime. Bytime I was
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: giving a tour one time and we're walking back and
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: literally one ran right across the road in front of us.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the heck, what was that? You know?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: And left. Actually, you know, they had just smoothed out
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: the sand up there, they repacked down the gravel and
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, and uh, there's a little burb under
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: the barber fence and there's this thing stepped over the
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: fence and the fence was about four about four feet tall.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: It cleared the fence without a problem. We looked for hair.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Couldn't funny, but you can see where the footprint had
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: come down, and it left the heel print right in
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: that burn this high. It squshed it down, and I
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: asked the other six people with me, I like, did
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: you did you see that? And so they're like, yeah,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: this big foot was only about six seven feet tall.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: It literally ran right in front of us. It scared us. Actually,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: we're like, what the hell? But like I said, I
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: started having siding s daytime, nighttime. I got pictures of them.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: My last sighting was kind of creepy. I was actually
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: up there looking for uh, doing ghosts, honey. I went
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: up to an area where I called a tree where
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the trees grow over. It's right before the mine, and
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: there's been a lot of activity in that place. A
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: lot of people don't like to go in there because
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: it looks like a dark tunnel, especially when it's really
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: dark out. So walking up to that area and I
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: start hearing growling off to my right, and there's I've
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: seen a mountain lion jump that fence, run across the
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: road and jump the other side and go down into
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: the creek. There the creek fence off to the left.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: The road kind of follows the creek all the way
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: up and so I'm like, okay, crap, there's a mountain
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: lion on up here. And I had my I was
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: recording my video and had my audio on, and I
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: was just doing ghost honey, have my kt out and
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: so walking along and I hear this growling. I'm like, okay,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: there must be a mountain line up here. That's the
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: biological thinking. I'm thinking there must be a lout mountain lioned, right.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, I'll keep my behind me. And
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: so I set the camera on a tripod in front
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: of me, and I was just doing ghost hounding. I
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: was having my kt out, had my audio corner out.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I'd actually put the audio on a tree and a
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: tree drunk ort kind of wide, and I was standing
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: over there because I didn't want to be back where
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: that wasn't and you could hear the bush, the bush
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: kind of rustling back there. Long story short went on
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: for about three or four minutes and stopped. I'm like, okay,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: maybe I scared it away. It doesn't want anything to
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: do with me. So I started doing my EVP session
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: and then on the other side of the of the fence.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: On the other side of the road, down closer to
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the creek, there's this bush and it's probably four or
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: five feet wide and probably about seven eight feet tall,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, it starts going back and
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: forth like it's windy, but it wasn't windy at all,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: and it does get windy up there, and you hear this,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: oh oh, I was grunting. I'm like, what the hell?
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: And then as the tree went back and forth, I
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: kind of stopped and just stared right to the middle
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: and I could see the head and outline of a
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: head and shoulders, but there's no neck. I'm like, oh,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: my gosh, that's a bigfoot. And like I said, this
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: is I think this is one of the twins I
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: called the bouncers. These guys were almost as wide as
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: they were tall. I think they were about at this point,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I think they were like seven six seven feet tall,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: and they're probably at least four or five people why
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: big burly chest. We had seen them in the road
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: one time, and they were just more like a silhouette,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: so you couldn't really see the face or the hair
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: or anything like that. You could just see a silhouette
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: of them, but they're just massive. Anyways, So this goes
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: on for thirty forty seconds, and I had my corner.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I grabbed my video corner, and it was just so
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: dark out there. I didn't have the technology. If I
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: had my camera that I have today, my low light camera,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: with all the IR light I have, I could easily
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: seen it. Anyways. I had these little tiny ire lights
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: stacked up on top with the Rubberman holding it down
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: on the on the camera so I could see. I
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: can see about five six feet this thing was more
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: like ten to fifteen feet away, and it was pretty dark.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: So this thing takes off up the creek right into
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the clearing. I could see it run. I'm like, oh
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: my gosh, I just got a big fun on camera,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: right and so I'm like, okay, I'm good, I'm good.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I'm going home from the night. I just got, you know,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: this prize. I couldn't I couldn't, you know, I'm so excited.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. So I start walking down. I
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: got about I don't know, tenth of a mile down,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: and the hill kind of slopes down to where they
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: you know, if you if they cut out, you know,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: along the roads they cut out the side of the hill,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: so there was a burdmark came down to about I
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: don't know, two three feet off the ground, and I
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: was walking over to my left because I didn't want
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: to be close to that creek. It's just in case
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: this thing came back. And uh so, I out of
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: the corner of my eye, I see something. I kind
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: of turned. I went, oh crap, there's this huge, you know,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: burly thing crouched down on the on the side of
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: the hill right next to me. I mean literally, I
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I could have reached out grabbed it. I mean it
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: was like, like away, it's thinging. This thing could have
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: grabbed me easily too. And I didn't make eye contact.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I made sure I didn't let make eye contact. But
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I just saw these grolowing red eyes. I'm like, oh,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: you know what. And I was like, that's scared of
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: the living with Jesus out of me. I got about
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: five steps and I'm like, I gotta stop, I gotta
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: turn around. Look I can't. I got I turned. I
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: had just turned off the audio corner and video camera.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I should have left them all on. I should have
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: left the video camera on. At least it's I grab
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: the camera head over the corner. I turned around. It's
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: calling no, no, He's just gone. I'm like, damn it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: And so then I started hearing this crashing, like branches
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: being snapped, and it's just like a bulldozer was going
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: through the woods above me, and I'm like, oh crap.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: So I got chased out. I started, you know, basically
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: went back at least a while. It chased me as
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: far as it could without being seen, and I'm like,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: oh crap. So I think what led up to that
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: encounter was I crossed the line with him. There are
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: boundaries you shouldn't cross with big foots. I learned that
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: they were using the creeks as highways, and so basically
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: all along where the road is, and that creeks down
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: four or five feet below, sometimes lower below. You could
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: walk down there and nobody would even know you were there.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: And then of course there's the mountains above which you
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: can also walk on and nobody would see you.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Dying things together for me because you always hear them
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: in connection with some type of water, like it's from
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: a waterway, creek, whatever it may be. Now, in your experiences, Matt,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: if I could, if I be so bold to ask
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: the question. Being a person who's been a paranormal investigator
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: for you know, a very long time, and now you know,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: getting in the crypto's dipping your toe in for the
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: last eight years. Is there any overlap? Have you noticed
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: some overlap between the two you know, magisteria.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the ghosts of the bigfoots. I drop pins on
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: a Google map, and if you look at the Google map,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: it there's clusters. There's bigfoot clusters, there's haunted hunting clusters,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: there's UFO sidings. You know, you got dog Man, you
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: know all that stuff. Dog Man doesn't seem to be
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: white in the same cluster it usually is outside. But
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: you got hauntings, UFOs and bigfoots all on the same
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: exact cluster. They're all surrounding each other. And you can
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: literally go on the map into an area where you
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: have bigfoot clusters, bigfoot sightings, clusters of sightings, turn on
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: the UFO, the hauntings, they're all around each other. In fact,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I got to the point where I had good standing
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: with ghosts. You know, I always friend them, I always
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: say hi to them, I always be really friendly with them.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: They would light up my k two to say hello.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: And it got to the point where one night where
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I said, you know, have you seen any big hairy
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: beasts out here? Gorilla like beasts out here? And the
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: K two lit up. I'm like, oh well, maybe maybe
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: we can use this right and again you got to
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: take all this a really great assault. Of course, of course,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: there's no there's no EMF out there, there's no electricity.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: My cell phone I didn't. Let's see, I think I
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: left my cell phone in the car that night just
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: because there's no cell phone service up there. I couldn't
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: call anybody even if I wanted to, And so I asked,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: you know, I started to asking these questions about bigfoot
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: and it started lighting up. I said, are you afraid
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: of them? They lit up, and so they're afraid of
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: the bigfoots. And I'm like, okay, number one, you can
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: see them. Number one too, you know where they are?
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Number three, you're afraid of them? Okay. So it got
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: to the point where I would carry Keith to you
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: with me in all times, even if I was just
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: bigfoot researching, because I'd ask the ghosts, you know, or
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: you know, do you know where the bigfoots are? Oh? Wow?
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I got if I started having a bigfoot encounter, those
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: would it would light up like they were rewarding me. Hey,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: you know there's something going on. Better be ready. And yeah,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: I mean it happened that Joe's camp two. We researched
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: a property out here at up in the east East
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Pinty Woods in the Sabine National Forest. And if you
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: take Texas and you cut in half, there's bigfoot reports
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: all the way across Texas, but as you get to
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: the middle, it's there's a lot more. And then if
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: you go to the east side Texas Louisiana border even
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: uh you know Arkansas and all those areas up there,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: it's all all the way around. I mean it's all
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: way around. Even in New Mexico there's there's sightings of them,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: and uh, you know, you can I can basically show
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: you on the map. It's crazy how they you know,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: they're like through the middle of the country. There's there's
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: thousands of sidings, and from what I've learned out here,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: people don't report the sidings. Uh you know. The way
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: we found Joe was basically he put a uh you know,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I put an ad out asking if anybody had had
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: big footing counters and he was terrified of him. I
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: mean he countered forty five people out here. You don't
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: trustpass on people's property because you'll be dead or you'll
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: be you know whatever you want to call it, you know,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: not alive or what do they call it now, not alive?
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: But uh yeah, so essentially, yeah, you'll be alive before
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: you even hear the bullet in the shot. You know,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: essentially it'll be on the ground gone. But h yeah,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: he told me I need to come up there, and
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: you talk about bigfoot activity. Oh my god, you know
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: everything you ever want to have with bigfoots, tree dogs,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: bigfoot sightings. I mean all the time, six different people
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: have six sightings during the day of them. Uh. They
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: literally would come out of the woods, right to the
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: edge of the woods and watch you all different shapes
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: and sizes. And I'm pretty sure he had a I'm
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: pretty sure his property was like a a breeding area
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: or you know when they bed it down sometimes because
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: we had so many encounters up there. Uh, you guys
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: go watch Joe's camp documentary. It'll leave a link to
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: my I guess said.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Promoted and yeah, absolutely absolutely check it out.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: So you guys go watch that it started one of
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: our best videos. You know a lot of people have
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: told me why does this have well over a million
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: views because YouTube doesn't like us posted videos in the
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: past where I mean I used to have one hundred
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: thousand subscribers before they monetized it, you know, just doing
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: the Black Star Canyon thing where I was walking around
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: like an idiot talking about ghosts and stuff. And then
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I posted a UFO video one day and my Facebook
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: and my YouTube count disappeared on me. And then basically
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: shot a video of a UFO or Orange County and
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: they didn't like it. It basically then my computer was
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: melted down to my laptop. They as soon as I
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: pluged in my external hard drive, you know, twenty years
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: of paranormal activity, you know, research call it Bigfoot videos
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that UFO stuff. I mean, I had
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: so much stuff on there, and they just waited until yeah, effort.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: I took it to an expert, a hacker, and he
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: looked at it and he's like, this is way above
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: my pay grade. Yeah, this was government. This is done
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: by the government. Somebody really had to know what they
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: were doing. I had high security on my computer. You
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: my brother in law was into doing cybersecurity and stuff
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: like that, and he set my computer up for that
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: exact reason. And they went right around without eating with ease,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: just completely alted the hard drive and then wiped all
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: the files off my external hard drive since I plugged
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: that in call it you know, the same time by
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: basically my Facebook page went down, my YouTube channel went down.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: So we over, Matt, what do you think is going
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: to be the it's the smoking gun? And which people
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: finally just like there's because there's sightings everywhere. There's people
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: like yourself and many many other great researchers. You're one
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: of them. I already know this. I could just tell
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: by talking to you. Well, you don't talk of it,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I don't think you're doing
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: great man, You're fantastic what you're doing. Uh, and I'm
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: sure your podcast is the same. We're going to make
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: sure that everyone goes over there and subscribe that.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've we're now getting consistently over one hundred thousand views.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: We're probably gonna get past that pretty soon.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Great. So what it's going to be the smoking gun?
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: What is going to be the thing in which people
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: can to go you know, all right, dude, this is real.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: What do you think it's going to happen?
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for cryptids. Like I had two Air
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Force captains pilots they went hiking. They were off duty
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: for like twelve hours, so they went hiking up in
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: the Dallas area. They went out into the woods just
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: to hike. They didn't believe in dog Man, right, they
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: never even heard of it, okay, And they were carrying
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: nines with them and they were hiking, and they kept
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: hearing rustling the bush and they helped carring growling, and
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: finally this thing basically came out of the bushes and
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: they basically thirty two bullets they put it down, and uh,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: these guys were smart. I talked to this guy on
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: the phone. He didn't want he didn't want anybody knowing
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: his name or anything like that. They got threatened, I
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: mean with their careers and oh my family and oh yeah,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: everything you hear about with then and Black. It wasn't
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: the mid in Black, but it was basically high in people. Yeah,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: basically telling them you know, in fact, he told they
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: told him you took out one of our resources, which
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: you know, light bulb goes on, like what what does
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: that mean, uh, they might be using dog band dog
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: man to excuse me, my allergies are going crazy. But
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: they might be using dog Man to uh, you know, soldiers,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of stories. A long story short.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: They collected all kinds of samples, they kind of put
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: pulled the body off the trail, put it somewhere, and
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: as they started hiking down, they saw two black helicopters
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: flap over where the body was and they, you know, guys,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: propelled down on ropes. And by the time they got
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: to their car, these guys were waiting for him, A
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: bunch of military police were waiting for them. They threatened
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: the hell out of them and told them, you know,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: your your flying careers will be over and all this
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: other stuff will happen to you if you ever talk
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: about this. And again I can't, but it was there.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, what would you what would you think? What
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: would you fathom?
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: How they know that? They got pictures, they got videos,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: They they did the whole They spent half an hour
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: collecting as much as they could. They took everything from them.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: What I meant by that is, okay, the government agencies
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: know that they're there, right, What did they got GPS
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: trackers in them and they can tell them.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: I think the bigfits are the same way, like Joe's camp.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: One night Joe's camp there was basically there's I think
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: there's family groups all around where he lives, and one
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: of them kind of lived in his on his family property.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Real quick, I know, we're running out of time. Joe.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Joe's family had owed I don't know, one hundred thousand
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: acres pre Civil War, and his family told him, you know,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: about twenty years ago, twenty one years ago, when he
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: got out of the military, he came back, he was
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: looking for a place to live, and his parents had
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: moved off his property. It was fifty five acres in
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: the middle of speed National Force, so he's basically really secluded.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: He's basically was a mountain dam. So he said, okay,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: well he put a trailer on there and basically moved
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: on to this property. When he first moved on to
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: the property, it was so overgrown and so you know,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: you couldn't even you couldn't basically hike onto the property.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: They had to use machetes and chainsaws and stuff just
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: to cut their way in. And so they cleared the
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: first I don't know, twenty thirty feet set up a
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: tent that night, and they had seen all these hoops,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: these big trees right all shapes and sizes, bent over,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: hooked it, you know, basically pushing in the ground or
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: you know, they used vines to basically wrap around to
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: hold it down right, and stuff like that. Trees snaffed
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: off tree structures. Like I said, with Joe's camp, everything
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: you ever want to hear, everything you ever want to
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: experience with Bigfoot happened there sightings daytime. By time we
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: got them on video, we got these huge eyes. Unfortunately
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: we didn't have the technology we had had better technology,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: which we do now we'd be talking about video of Bigfoot.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: That night. You could see the silhouettes. I mean they
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: literally had trees that were two feet three feet around
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: and basically you could see them on one half of them,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: you know, their arms sticking around one side and then
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: literally leaving around to look out at you. You could
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: see the eyes blink you can only you couldn't see
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: them with your own eyes. You could just see the
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: infra red. But anyways, going back to that story, so
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: they cleared a bunch of this, the brush and the trees,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: the tree structures and stuff, not knowing what it was,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: and because he didn't believe in bigfoot either, And so
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: they set up a camp a tit that night down
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: in that area and they were assaulted all night long. Uh, screams, howls,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: things thrown at the tin. The tin push did, which
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: happened to me on this property. Was scary as hell. Yeah,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: to have a hand reach it and push it and
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: touch you. But yeah, it's creepy. Yeah, I tell you
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: what anybody's thinks, Brez, that you guys are damn brave,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: tell you that much. But anyways, so his friend left
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: that day and he ended up spending the next two
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: years basically carving out, you know, just enough room for
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: him to get up. His property was like a football
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: field basically, you know, long and skinny. So he cleared
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: up the first twenty yards and set up a camp
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: up there. He left the back wild because he had
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: deer and all every animal you know that's in the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: forest is basically on his property. And he would hunt
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: off his property and stuff like that. And so as
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: he was clearing stuff, he was terrified of these things.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: He carried at forty five because he thought he was
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: going to get attacked, and he put a trailer on there,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: and he said, you know, one night, this huge, massive
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: head like we were talking about earlier, this watermelon for
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: our head, looks into it, you know, bends down and
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: looks into his window, which scared the hell out of him.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Woke him up while he was sleepy. His trailer got
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: rocked back and forth, rocks thrown.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: At his tent.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Pine they used pine cones or bud clusters. They would
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: throw bud clusters at his property, at a trailer. You know,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: at night you'd hear the tree knocks. He had the
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: screams of the house, all that stuff, and so he
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: finally responded to our ad. We went up there, and
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: I mean the first night we were there, we basically
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: saw a bigfoot and I got out of the truck.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: He had a blind that was probably about six feet
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: tall off the ground. It's just like he used I
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: think he used palettes basically to make a He basically
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: took all the palettes apart and made a blind. And
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: the tree that was kind of in front of the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: of it, that was kind of league against was probably
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: almost four feet diameter, and the branches were up thirteen
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: fourteen feet tall, because he'd cut him off up that
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: high so he could see up the road where the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: deer were. Basically, he had old logging roads that went
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: up through both sides of his property and then around
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: his property too, and so so basically where I got
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: out of the truck and had I had left my
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: handicamp in the truck, and I went upen to introduce myself.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: And as I'm standing there, I look over and I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: just see this branch fifteen feet up. Granted, this branch
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: is up fifteen feet high. You see something bid down
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: literally push the branch down. You see it peek out
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: at us, and I'm like, what the hell? He was like,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: you see that, right, And I'm like I see that.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, holy crap. I think it was pushing eighteen
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: nineteen twenty feet. I was like, holy crap. I mean
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: because literally if I had to bid down to pull
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: the branch down at that hike, yeah, I mean, that's
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: that's a big boy, Matt. I actually saw that. I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: think I saw that same exact one about three or
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: four years later, in the middle of the day. You know,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: we talked about the single ling Highway. Literally it had
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: its foot on one side of the road and the
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: other foot on the other side. I mean the imagine
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: that gape. This would be a twelve thirteen foot gape
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: right literally like this. So I turned byways looking straight
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: at us the middle of the day, and I'm looking
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: at him, going, is there a tree there, Joe? And
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: we're sitting on a bench and we can clearly see
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: it's about forty to fifty feet away. He's sitting into
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: my right. I'm sitting here looking straight up the road,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: and we had all our gear literally sitting on the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: table at that point, and it's just like a picknip bench.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: So I reached up and I grabbed my daytime binocular
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: and it didn't record, unfortunately, but I didn't think I
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: gave recorded anyways, it's too far away. It was very
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: I had to go really slow because they didn't want
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: this thing to just disappear, so very slowly pulled it
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: up and it wasn't wearing glass At that point. I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: look into the binocular, Oh, like, holy crap, that's a bigfoot.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: And it's literally standing, big, huge black one, just standing
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: in the middle road. And it was just massive and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: I can still see it in my head. I looked
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: in and I started zooming into the face and it just,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: you know, the skin here was all just flat. There's
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: no hair all the way around down here, just kind
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: of wrinkled. And so he told me they look like
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: they're wearing glasses. I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Like sunglasses? I'm like, what's you know? So I start
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: zooming it on the ali because I want to see
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: this things. I probably was about that big a round.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like the size of a baseball, and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: it's sawid black. But in the middle the people looked white.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell? What is what the what
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: is that? And so yeah, I mean I was like,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: you couldn't see like the noble eye you could do.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: It was just white sall white. I'm like, what the hell.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm wondering that's you know, I'm wondering if that's
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: what he meant by they're wearing sunglasses because he saw
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: them day night when he was moving around. They would
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: come to the tree line and walk out and just
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: stand there. In fact, some of them, he had lived
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: up there for eighteen years, and so he got they
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: got really comfortable with him, okay, to the point where
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: he you know, they they basically would walk out and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: just stand there and watch it. In fact, they got
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: comfortable with me too. They started doing that to me too.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: They were afraid of us. Yeah, like, what the hell
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: is that? I couldn't I still see the eye of
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: my head. I'm like, this thing is this big around
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: with this big like a quarter sized white pupil. So
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: I almost wonder if they have like a lids that
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: slides down over their eyes or something, or maybe that
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: that black part could be biolumin essence. Maybe at night
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: it shines out, you know, puts out by a livius
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: and so they can see. But yeah, I mean I
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: could clearly see that. I think I could see the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: fur on the body. It was just crazy that first night.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just so it's it's so much and and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: and I know if we're gonna have to finish up
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: here very soon, I want to make sure you promote
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: your show on YouTube channel and all that I'm going
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: to I'm going to have to have you on again.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I'd love to come back. But anyways, that
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: was Yeah, we spent four or five years. I think
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: we spent about five years researching his property. Unfortunately, he
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: passed away in what they call an accident of us.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Sure was an accident. He's clearly caught fire in the
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: middle of the night.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: Are you trying to say, maybe you know at least connection.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Activity. Yeah, he had some weird UF activity on his
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: property too. We had how many trail camps, he had
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: seven or eight trail camps, and we go up there,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: we leave our trail camps up there too in the hotspots. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: and literally we caught almost nothing, you know, they was
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  Speaker 2: they were very hard to catch. And then when I
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: started realizing when I was talking to Haley, who's a
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  Speaker 2: part of Owen's Outdoors or whatever it is now on Facebook,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're part of his group as well, Harley, Harley. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: He and I started talking, he started showing me his
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  Speaker 2: pictures and I'm starting zooming in. I'm like, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: it's a damn big foot behind you, dude. So I
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: would started going back into Joe's camp and start looking
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  Speaker 2: at the old trail camp videos and pictures, and we
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  Speaker 2: have probably about a million of them, and we've just stored,
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  Speaker 2: you know, five years of research cameras being up there
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  Speaker 2: all that time. You start going into yeah, oh, everything's
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: started on several hard drives. Yeah, I've got about six
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  Speaker 2: of them now, Yeah, I fill them up so fast,
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  Speaker 2: especially you know, with all that stuff. Anyways, I started
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  Speaker 2: zimming in. I'm like, holy crap, there's a bigfoot standing there.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't realize that. I mean, they're so they
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: look so much like a tree. They're just in the treelights,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're just on the edge where the shade is.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, a bigfoot could literally be standing right next
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  Speaker 2: to you. Can walk by, you won't even know it's
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  Speaker 2: there because it's just it just stands there, just it
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  Speaker 2: blends in, doesn't make any noise whatever. I mean, I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: could go out into the wolderness out here, I could
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  Speaker 2: go stand in the the you know, tree line shade.
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  Speaker 2: You could be standing at my back porch looking off
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  Speaker 2: the trees, and if I didn't move and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: have any reflection to have my glasses on or anything,
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  Speaker 2: you wouldn't see me. I just look like part of
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: the brush, right. So, I mean it's real easy for
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: them to hide. I mean people think, oh, yeah, they're
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: so stealthy. No they're not. They're just smart. They're smarter
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: they know. So Anyways, Our podcast is called The Deeps
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Paranormal Podcast. We have The Deeps Paranormal Podcasts on our
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: YouTube channel as well. We do video podcasts back. We're
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: going to be doing a podcast here right after this,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: so uh, if you guys want to check that out,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: I'll give them the leak. Start YouTube channel and our
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: podcast or you know, get you can find our podcast
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: anywhere you find podcasts. We're on our Art Radio and
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, Apple, Spotify, We're on I think sixty
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: different platforms and stuff like that, so we're actually on
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: platforms around the world. Pretty crazy podcast.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: I you know, people, this is definitely one of those
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  Speaker 3: things that people always say, but I literally feel we
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  Speaker 3: just scratch the surface and I could go on for
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: hours and you're you're you, You've done this a lot.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: And uh I want to give a shout out to
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: uh the Crypti Wrangler with there, Daniel and uh yeah,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: thank yeah, he just got me in contact. Well you
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: need you need to reach out the Matt and I
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: did so.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: This has been very enlightening as well as terrifying, and
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: uh yeah, we're gonna have to do this again, man,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you. Thank you so much for having
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: me on.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely my friend. Remember, guys, we are the I, we
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: are aware, and I love you all. Have a wonderful day. Okay,
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