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Golf Coaching Strategy: Building Consistency Through Better Decision-Making with John Hughes · The Growth Class with Phil Masiello

• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Hey everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Crunching Your Growth, the show where we skip the fluff and focus on real-world traction that actually moves the needle.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, and today we're diving into a world where precision, mindset, and consistency are just aren't just buzzwords.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're the difference between winning around and lost weekend.
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  SPEAKER_00: So our guest today is a master professional, a world-class instructor, and the mind behind one of the most respected names in golf coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: So joining us today is John Hughes from John Hughes Golf.
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  SPEAKER_00: John, it's great to have you on the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm so happy that you took the time to do this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh it looks like a great background.
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  SPEAKER_00: It looks like a beautiful sunny day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh I can't thank you enough for the opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love sharing the passion of what I do, and and in our case, for the discussion today, how I got there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I can't thank Omni Orlando Resort at Championsgate enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is my home all year long.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's like this 350 days a year.
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  SPEAKER_01: When the hurricanes come through, we seek a little bit of shelter, but it's it's an awesome place to call home.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why why don't you take us back a little bit to how you got started, what you were doing, where, you know, and how you got to be where you are today.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Out of college, I was a little lost.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm a I played collegiate soccer, played professional soccer while I was in college, and discovered golf sort of as a drinking game, as most people do, and uh took it from that to a hobby, to a lifestyle.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then about four or five years out of college, sort of realized, wow, I'm pretty passionate about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it sort of ties into being a previous athlete in another sport.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I sort of just jumped shipped uh uh in the world of game theory.
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  SPEAKER_01: I burned my boat per se and went and found a job as an assistant golf professional and really fell in love with it, but sort of knew coaching was where I really wanted to go.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was being teased a lot in college with the front office.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I have friends that played collegiate and professional sports and other athletic endeavors, and they're now part of front office, and it was really intriguing to me.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: So through my career, I made decisions, number one, to coach full-time, and number two, to try to climb more the corporate ladder of the coaching versus, say, the technical end.
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  SPEAKER_01: But what I found throughout that journey is the two mix, and they have to mix, and the very successful coaches out there, whether they're golf or any other sport, find a really good balance between that, number one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Number two is at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you do.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's about being able to report to my host behind me, hey, this is what I contributed, or going to the people I'm working for, and this is what we did.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I ended up becoming the director of instruction of a small school that acquired the licensing to golf digest schools, which is the grandfather of all golf schools, uh, formed in 1974.
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  SPEAKER_01: We took it over in 2009, and by the time I left in 2013, we had 13 resort locations, 55 instructors that I identified, trained, contracted, supported.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then one day the person I worked for me said, you know what, you're just not worth six figures.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I took it personally, and uh, he said, he says, well, wait a minute, let me clarify that.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's worth six figures.
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  SPEAKER_01: And my contract was just ripped up.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I found myself out there on an island, like most entrepreneurs feel at some point, and immediately just took all the cumulative knowledge, lived through the mistakes, lived through the rough times, almost lost my house twice, those kinds of things, to where now I do have a really good business.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a very good reputation as to not just helping golfers get the results they're looking for, but sort of a go-to person within the industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've got friends all over the world that will call me and what about this or what about that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Has nothing to do with trying to fix the X's and O's of your golf swing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's more stories and sharing, uh sharing experiences that I've lived through, that they've lived through, that that help each other out get where we ultimately want to go.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that golf there's such a um there's such a mental component to golf, at least in my experience, there's such a mental component to golf that I I think golf instructors sometimes uh uh it's not just about teaching people the fundamentals or the the ability to to swing the golf club, but it's also almost uh a mindset coaching, you know?
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: There is.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is there I I think I blend that a little bit to sort of toot my own horn, but I base it on what you're successful with off the golf course.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um everybody, I I tend to charge a little bit higher rate than most people, obviously, but I try to understand a little deeper who who's in front of me and what their ultimate result has to be, which isn't always hitting the ball better.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, the most common thing I get is hey, I don't want to embarrass myself in front of other people.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what I tell people at that point, it's not your embarrassment's not your score.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your embarrassment's not that you whiffed the ball.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your embarrassment is how you handle the whiff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your embarrassment is how you handle your adversity.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, from a mindset standpoint of view, particularly of people who were highly successful off the golf course, how do you help them out with that?
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you help them understand what it takes to be successful on the golf course?
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's no different than what you did to become successful as an entrepreneur.
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  SPEAKER_01: What were your problem-solving methodologies that worked?
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  SPEAKER_01: What were your systems and protocols in a very specific and prioritized way that got you to where you are, where you can spend time with me as a golf coach?
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  SPEAKER_01: And when people start thinking that way, golf's not an easy game.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's probably the hardest game you'll ever play, but it becomes simpler.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think the ongoing stories that I've seen of your series is everybody's trying to make things simpler to where it's not just easier to get to that finish line, you start seeing finishes, finish lines beyond the ones you were looking for.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's true.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um that's a good point.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um so, so, but you're not just you're not just at that one location anymore, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Are aren't don't you move around or don't you Correct.
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  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do a temporary summer residency at Omni Homestead Resort in Hot Springs, Virginia.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: I've been doing this is my second year doing that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've done that a couple of other places in the southeast corner of the states.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do travel a lot to see clients.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my passport's well stamped in case somebody in Europe wants to come wants me to come see them.
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  SPEAKER_01: But um, I do some traveling with clients when needed, whether it's, hey, I've got a member guest I'm really trying to prep for, or will you come and speak to my company?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: The what you said to me at your tent uh in Orlando made so much sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you come and and talk to my team about that?
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh which is uh uh that's probably the biggest compliment I get, not just fixing someone's golf swing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Omni Homesprings, Hot Springs, boy, I got it.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: Hold on.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: Omni Homestead Resort in Hot Springs, Virginia, it predates the kind the Declaration of Independence by 10 years.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's America's oldest resort, two fantastic golf courses.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's very serene, it's it's very, very quiet.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you hear an airplane go over, it's unusual.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and it it offers a an environment much different than Florida, in that there's no hustle and bustle.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: There's a traffic noise, and you can really just come to peace with yourself there.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's a beautiful place.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: I played that, I played uh one of those courses years ago.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um and like I told you, I I stopped playing.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why I stopped playing, but I did.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um But as a coach, do you get a chance to play at all?
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: I do, not very much.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: I played for the first time with my son about three weeks ago, first time all year, simply because our season is very hot and heavy from like the 10th of January.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody gets over their holiday hangovers and they see the snow or the cold weather outside and they gotta get out.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: They got cabin fever.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Florida, we're pretty busy through the end of April.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we do see a decent shoulder season.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: So most of my golf is played from April through December.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of it's done videotaping the material on my YouTube channel or that's posted to the internet or or to my social channels.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but I do get out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I still enjoy playing.
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  SPEAKER_01: My competitive days are long behind me due to latent injuries.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, when you play soccer at a young age and you're invincible, you don't know what kind of damage you're doing to yourself 40 plus years later.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: What are you doing on your YouTube channel?
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  SPEAKER_00: What kind of content are you creating?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like uh golf-related content or coaching content or a combination of both?
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  SPEAKER_01: So when when most golfers go to YouTube, they're looking for that quick fix.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh the way I say it is they're looking for Cheech and Chong's magic dust that made their Santa Claus reindeer fly.
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  SPEAKER_01: If I had that magic dust, I wouldn't be hanging out with these people, trust me.
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  SPEAKER_01: But what most people are looking for is some kind of in-swing flaw.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what I try to have people understand, you open this with consistency and precision.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you're making better decisions and then setting up for those better decisions, that will camouflage poor performance almost all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the bulk of what you see on the John Hughes Golf YouTube channel is about how to set up.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's about how to make a decision, how to deal with situations that you deal with on the golf course and how to work through that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why setup is so important with the various skills that you have to perform on the golf course, whether it's hitting a driver to a putt or anything in between.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's long form, which is the predominant.
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  SPEAKER_01: We started doing shorts a few years ago, and those have taken off.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the shorts normally accompany some social media posts that my team put out, puts out on almost a daily basis.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um we've also started putting some things out related to a book that I published last year, a separate YouTube channel all in itself called Instant Golf Improvement.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that is more about those silver bullet magic dust kind of moments, but it's still based on are you making a good decision?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you have enough information to make that good decision?
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  SPEAKER_01: And let's dummy it down to the core essence so you can have some instantaneous gratification, not necessarily improvement, but the improvement should be more gratification that I had a good time and I know what I'm doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a that's a good point and a good way of expressing it because golf is a di it's it's a it's a uh sport of decision making and a sport of uh fast decision making.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, you you 90% of the time, right, guys go out and play a course that that they they never played before.
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  SPEAKER_00: They get a couple of buddies together, they go on a trip, they go somewhere and they never played the course before, and they've got, you know, you've got your scorecard, which really has like a little bit of information about, you know, the length of the of the the hole and maybe, you know, the positioning of some obstacles, but it's not really like a a course book.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so you really have to sort of make those those decisions, and you're right, you know, set up um, setup and organization and then execution, it really is almost the same as as business decision making.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because you have to think about what you're trying to achieve, and then you've got to get, you've got the information or whatever information you can get, then you've got to get your setup and your alignment and your clarity, and then you you can execute.
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  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and then once you've made the decision to execute, are you committed to executing it or are you second-guessing yourself?
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  SPEAKER_01: And the analogy I use a lot, and and I'll give the reason why.
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  SPEAKER_01: Golf is one of the few athletic activities that you will ever partake in where you create the action.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything else you've done basketball, baseball, football, soccer, lacrosse hockey, I can keep naming, you're reacting.
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  SPEAKER_01: So as a business person, yes, you do react to market trends or finances or cash flow or whatever the case may be.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I do that with my business.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when it comes to hitting a golf ball, it's sitting there, it's doing absolutely nothing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's you who have to make it work.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's you who has to make it fly.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not any different than holding a dart and your nose is the dartboard bullseye.
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  SPEAKER_01: Would you be looking at this, second guessing yourself all the time?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or are you just looking and committing and going?
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I try to have golfers understand.
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  SPEAKER_01: They do every day off the golf course.
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  SPEAKER_01: So why does it have to be different here?
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  SPEAKER_01: The retorts I get is, well, I don't want it to be like work, or I don't want it to be like this.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, but that's what makes you successful.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: That that that's why you have the ability of time resource alone to be spending time with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that once somebody, I'll use the term loosely, buys into that and they start understanding how to prioritize it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And another example I use with people is when you go to the doctor, there's an intake form.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know this, my wife's a nurse for 30 plus years.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's an intake form.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, think about the different professions that actually use an intake form.
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  SPEAKER_01: What if somebody came to you and said, Phil, your intake form for your podcast is great, but this is better.
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  SPEAKER_01: And question number one now shows up at 13.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's going to blow everything out of the water.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's how people look at golf.
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't take and order things in a priority.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: But the problem with golf is number one could show up at 13.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's how do you stick with that way that works most successful for you?
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: Work through it.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: You're not, golf's not a perfect game, nor is business.
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  SPEAKER_01: You learn from those mistakes, but when you're staying in a protocol type manner to do it, how many people succeed off of that?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's a good point.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good point.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I'll tell you, uh, and I you know, I started playing golf when I was young, you know, a kid.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I was probably 12 years old, 13 years old.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um but just going out there swinging the club on a on a public course.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I it, you know, I didn't have any preconceived ideas about score or I I just, you know, it was here's the here's, you know, your tea box, and then there's the hole.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the objective is to get it in the hole in the least amount of strokes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I didn't have any fear, I didn't have any delusions.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just went out and did it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I got better and better as I as I watched people swing the club, especially, you know, I had the opportunity to to see a couple of uh tournaments at places like Wingfoot and uh, you know, a couple of U.S.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: opens and stuff like that.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool around New York, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, and and just watching like Arnold Palmer and and some of these other guys, and even on TV.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so I sort of, you know, created the swing and it worked.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then you know, I went to college and played, and then when I got out into the business world, for some reason, you know, it became competitive.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like you're out there with guys and you're all of a sudden now I'm not playing for fun anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm playing to beat this guy, you know?
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  SPEAKER_00: And all of a sudden I everything changed.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was almost like I, I, I had to, I, you know, I had to get a par or I had to get a, you know, a bogey, or, you know, uh had to get a birdie if I could, wherever.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and that sort of went on for about 10 or 15 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then one day I sort of said, you know what, I don't really care.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just started going out there, swinging the club again, and I started to enjoy the game a lot more.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't care if I got into the sand trap, but I had the skills by then, because I had gone and taken lessons and done all that.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: But I had the skills by then to, to know what I was doing when I got in that sand trap and not really care because I knew, you know, all right, if I do this, here's the process.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you you figure out, you know, where you want the ball to land, you set yourself up, you get, you know, at the right club, and you, you know, you get the ball out.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: You you get your swing correct, get the ball out, and and and uh and so it became like a totally different game.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then I think I I got bored with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I st I I thought that I I loved the game for for many, many years, but I can see the analogy of, you know, this process, and I really never thought about it the like the way you're explaining it about sort of this process is the same as as business.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe that's why business people gravitate towards golf.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think highly successful business people who are who are disciplined do really well with golf.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: You you hit on three or four key words, one of them's fun, one of them was fear or fearless, the other was bored.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'll think of the fourth one here in a second.
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  SPEAKER_01: What do we not have fun?
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody has fun, or we change what we do.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's sort of an unwritten rule of life.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I have a another phrase that tags along with that that I'll keep to myself for this purpose.
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  SPEAKER_01: But literally, I have fun or I change what I do.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what people do in life, whether it's the spouse you're with, the job you have, the company you own, the hobbies and activities you choose to do, and the people you hang out with.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Those are probably the five biggest categories of what you have control over and who you have fun with and what doing what you do to have fun.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: When you're fearless, you just go do it.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: And when you're young, you you're fearless, but yet learning off the mistakes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as you learn, you gain experience, you gain knowledge, but more importantly, you gain wisdom.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: And when the fear, the fearlessness is here and the wisdom's here, at some point you meet about right here, and wisdom overtakes fearlessness, and you say, Well, I don't need to take that risk anymore, or I don't need to be, I don't need to do this anymore.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: Do you not do that in business or with people that you lose uh interest with?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: The the common interests aren't there.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it golf's sort of a microcosm of life that way.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: And the one congruent thing, regardless of age or gender, I've yet to meet a golfer who's not self-competitive, which ties back into hey, that's why a lot of business owners do this.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's their game within a game where they can compete against themselves.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: And the really good ones, it doesn't, the good ones are not judged by the score.
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  SPEAKER_01: The good ones are judged by how they deal with adversity.
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  SPEAKER_01: But also, what are they taking from the core, from off the course to apply?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: What are they learning on the course that can be taken somewhere else?
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: I have a working title to another book I'm doing.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm writing, I've been writing it for 20 years.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's parables about people like you.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I call it, Are you dedicated to the discipline of your details?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it's parables about uh, I'm waiting on this person to say yes, it's fine, but very famous Hollywood actor, an Oscar winner who doesn't like to be unprepared and he would never go out to play golf prepared.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, why don't you prepare?
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't you stop, don't stop in the middle of things, come to a logical conclusion.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: So your brain is there on the golf course, never touched a swing, and he improved 10 strokes simply because he was present.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: He was present and he could be disciplined with it.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: There was a gentleman I coached several years ago who started with absolutely nothing, uh, graduated school in the UK, and through complete diligence, only diligence, has built himself into the sole provider of kitchen hardware for three major hotel chains in Europe.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: When they need something, they go to him.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: But it was his diligence, it was his discipline of doing things a certain way and being able to deliver what he was telling these.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hotels they could deliver.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: And if he had to do the extra, he did it.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: And when I saw him several years ago, his goal was to win his club championship.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's gone on to win a major amateur senior event over in the UK.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I knew he would because of his diligence.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know this other person's a good athlete because of their preparedness.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think if you look at golf and try to take those things that you do well off the course and apply them, you may not get, you may still get bored, but at least it becomes self-competitive.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Again, you may get, yeah, I don't like hanging out with these people because they're they drink too much or they curse too much or we have nothing in common.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: But hey, here's a I actually worked out a problem off the golf course, on the golf course.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: It just came to me because I had to do these certain things in a certain way.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: And in the middle of it, I had this aha moment.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a good point too.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Because when I I when I was playing a lot, I I wasn't I wasn't the most social person on the course.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: I because I was always thinking about what I did and what I was doing.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't like riding in a cart.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: I liked walking to the ball and and kind of figuring out where where I put the ball and then where I had to get the ball.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: I I liked that aspect of it.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: I like the the outdoor part of it and the thinking that went and the strategy that went along with it.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, everybody hits an errant shot every once in a while.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody's perfect, you know, especially not on the amateur side.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you gotta figure out how to get out of it, right?
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: How to how to still make your score uh without, you know, turning it into a disaster.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so I like that part of it, but I like the walking part up to the ball to figure it out because you're walking and you can see what you have to do.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: That was just uh that's just something I I enjoyed.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: But uh you know, I transitioned from that and I started doing triathlons.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: What you just talked about in the entrepreneurial world is small fires.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so sometimes you solve the small fires with a team, and sometimes you solve them shaving in the morning.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're just about out of time.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: I I I appreciate you uh sharing your wisdom, and I think it was really uh relatable.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: I I think uh it's it's it's really great.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: You've obviously thought a lot more deeper than just golf, which is fun.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but any last-minute words you want to share with anybody?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: And also where can people get in touch with you?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: And if they are looking for lessons, or where where can they get in touch with you and where can they find you?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: So once again, thanks, Phil.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: I really appreciate the opportunity to share what I do and and try to help people understand that golf is not an easy game.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's not it's not for everybody, but if you can simplify it, it becomes fun.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: And isn't that what we're trying to get done?
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think if people were to replay this episode, that would probably be the common theme.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: And here's some things that you can use, here's some nuggets you can use that you use off the course to actually help you on the course.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: The way to get in touch with me, I made it easy back in 2013, johnhughesgolf.com, ampersign, uh hashtag, you name it.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's just John HughesGolf, uh John HughesGolf on YouTube.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: If you look that up, that's how you'll find me.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, easiest way to get in touch with me personally is through email.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's out there, John at johnhughesgolf.com.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I do hope that people can not only visit me here in Orlando, which is very easy to get to.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: I do have openings throughout my residency schedule this summer and into 2027 as well, where you can visit me one and one-to-one at On Me Homestead Resort as well.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: And where's your book?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Is your book on Amazon?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: It is on Amazon, and it's a separate website called Instant Golf Improvement.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: You can buy it there.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: When you buy it there, I actually high hand sign it and I've got the envelopes in my office.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: I stuff the envelope and put the mailing list on it for you, the mailing uh, the uh label rather.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we're trying to grow that as another brand.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're trying to grow that as a sort of somewhat of an entry-level brand for newbies, for people who are in a hurry.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: That book was written out of my frustration of people wanting things instantaneously.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: So here's five pillars.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: And if you follow these five pillars from a change of attitude standpoint of view, you may see some instant improvement with that.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: So that's another website where you can find me and my team.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we should have a very unique new type of golf school through using those pillars ready launched by fall.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, excellent.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Excellent.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: So uh we'll we'll put all that information in the description of the show.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: So for everybody who who uh didn't catch it on here.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: And uh again, John, thanks for for coming on and taking the time.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Phil.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Wonderful opportunity.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: All right, thanks again.