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Episode 756: The Rising Tide Conference with Michael Remole · The Trauma Therapist

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That's the Trauma Therapist Project dot com. Let's get started. So here
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we go, all right, five four, three, two and one,
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our folks, welcome back to the podcast. Thrill to have back. Michael
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Remilly, Michael, welcome back. Thank you so much for having me.
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It's an honor to be back. Awesome. So, Michael has been working
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with children and families for close to two decades in variety capacities, including as
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a multi systemic therapist, clinical director, children's pastor, camp counselor, and
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speaker. After serving as a children's pastor, he went on to obtain his
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Master of Arts and Clinical Counseling from Ashland Theological Seminary. Following seminary, Michael
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worked at the Buckeye Ranch in Columbus, Ohio as a multi systemic therapist working
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with individuals twelve to eighteen and their families. Primary focus was to work with
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the family system to assist children who were having too difficulties with behavior. Michael
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has since founded and leads Gateway Family Services at Illinois, providing trauma focused equinessycist
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psychotherapy, individual and family therapy. He's also the founder of the Rising Tides
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conference, which is coming up and we're gonna be talking a lot about that.
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Michael, welcome back to the podcast. Thank you so much for having
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me. Dude, you I just gotta say you are so inspiring. I
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mean, you do a lot. You're just so passionate about what you do,
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and you know, I see you out there and obviously have we've spoken
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a couple of times, but really it's awesome to have you back here.
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Thank you. My parents always said, you know, find something that you
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love to do and find out how to get paid to do it, and
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I can't. I feel like I'm living that every day, that I'm living
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my dream job. There you go. So, now, there were a
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couple additions to your bio which I want to highlight here. So why don't
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you take time to do that? Yeah. So I was able to complete
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my EMDR Specialists for Kids with the Agate Institute with on A. Gomez,
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and so I'm just learning the ins and outs of how do we provide appropriate
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EMDR therapy for kids, which was amazing. And then I also have enrolled
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as a fellow at UC Davis with the Infant Parent Child Institute there and so
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I'm over halfway through that fellowship and just continue to learn incredible things for birth
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to five. And so through that, I've been able to become an Infant,
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Early Childhood and Health consultant for the state of Illinois. Wow. Awesome.
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So we're going to talk about the conference, but before we do,
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I want to give those listeners who maybe haven't heard previous interviews, Let's give
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them a thumbnail sketch of how the heck did you get into this field?
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Yeah, so it started. I was a children's pastor first, That's what
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my undergrad was in. And I had kids and families coming to me all
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the time in that pastoral role, and I felt like, man, I
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just was missing something. There was there was only so much I could give
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and provide for the families. And so I realized that my role needed to
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change, and I decided to pursue my master's in clinical counseling and I went
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to Ashland Theological Seminary and when I was there, I connected with a friend
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who was passionate about equine assisted psychotherapy, which is just the background on me.
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I grew up showing and training horses from ten years on up. That
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was my life. So I knew that there was something amazing about working with
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horses, and I wanted to help people, and so as I the more
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I learned about mental health and being a counselor, and then the more I
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learned about the science, the neuroscience behind working with horses, and it made
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sense why horses had been so powerful for me as a child growing up,
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and I just couldn't help but think, I want to provide this as a
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gift to other people that they can find healing in the way that I did
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growing up. And so that's kind of how I came to this. And
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after working at the Buck, I ran for a while and getting my independent
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license, I moved back home and it started the clinical practice here and we've
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grown from a team of just me to a team of fifteen now and providing
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services to over a hundred families a week here, whether that's on site here
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at our farm or since I've spoke to you last, we are now taking
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our miniature horses into several different school districts in the area and being able to
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continue the work there as well. What was it when you were a postor
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for kids? You said, you know, you realize you wanted to help
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more. What were you seeing? Yeah, I think the big thing I
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was seeing was a lot of kids who had experienced trauma and my I didn't
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know what exactly to do. There was a lot of complex behaviors that were
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showing up at home or in the school in the classroom setting, and I
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couldn't quite figure out what to do and how to best help them. And
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so I felt like my toolbox I had a pretty fool toolbox as far as
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working with kids, but there were a lot of kids. I just was
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stumped, and I didn't know how to best help support the families. And
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so that's why I decided to go and pursue my masters and counseling. All
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right, so let's let's jump to this conference. Now. I'm going to
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make a little joke here, pardon my humor. You've got a couple of
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people here who Bruce Perry. Who's Bruce Perry? Who is this? How
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the heck talk about that? How? How did you get involved with doctor
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Perry? I mean, come on, amazing. Yeah, So I actually
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the model of therapy that we use here is called natural lifemanship, and that
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is the basis of human and horse brain development and importance of relationships and a
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lot of the work there. It ties into doctor Perry's neurosequential process. And
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I was introduced to doctor Perry through Natural Lifemanship and I jumped on board.
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I was. I remember during my training for Natural Lifemanship, I ordered boy
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who was Raised as a Dog, And I'm not a really fast reader,
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but I read that in twenty four hours. I just couldn't put it down.
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And signed up for the NMT Phase one and went out to boot camping
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and the symposium and every time doctor Perry had something, you know, online,
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I've jumped on those calls to try and learn from him, and it's
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been my dream. After going out to BAM for his symposium, I was
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like, we need to bring this back to Central Illinois. I want to
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share the gift to doctor Perry with as many people as possible, and so
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he can attest to this. I send a lot of emails asking for him
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to come join us, and he's agreed to do that, to come and
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share with us. And he's been with us the last two rising tides that
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we've had, and I just feel like his neurosequential process has radically changed my
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life personally and professionally. And I couldn't help, but he has to be
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the keynote, one of the keynotes for a rising tide. So what was
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the impetus for you to start rising? Tidd? Tell us about this conference.
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Yeah, when we when I moved to Illinois in two fourteen, I
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kind of thought it was going to be a stepping just kind of a small,
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a short stay before I moved someplace else. And then I we had
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a AD that was done to assess the needs of our community and recognizing that
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Vermilion County, where we live, has the highest residential placement rate. We
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have our abuse and neglect rates are twice the state average, and we have
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a very high addiction and overdose rate here in Vermilion County. We're a very
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rutable area and when I moved here, there were very few therapists that were
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working with kids, and so to me, after I went out to the
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symposium and I came back home, it just felt like in order for us
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to see the kind of sustainable change that we wanted to see with our kids
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and families, we had to start to equip those around us, the teachers,
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the mentors, the pair of professionals, the pastors, the community leaders,
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so that the change that we were making and working in that family system
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could be carried out in all spheres of life for the kid. But I
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couldn't do that by myself. I needed to bring in other people to do
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that. And I remember I was driving, I was mowing yard one today
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and heard the same from JFK that a rising tide raises all ships, and
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I was like, that's it. I want to have a conference called Rising
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Tide that equips people, no matter what your line of work is, that
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it helps you make the world a better place, that helps you heal personally,
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helps your family heal, and that we can break those generational cycles of
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abuse and neglect and our communities can be healthier and happier and safer. And
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so that's where it started from and then part of my like, in reflecting
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back on you know what would make a great conference, I went back to
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the people who have influenced me. They're speaking, they're teaching, their work
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has really influenced me. And I just started reaching out because I was like,
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they, if they can join us for Rising Tide, that I feel
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like we're going to make a much bigger impact here in Vermillion County than if
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I just did it by myself. That's an incredible story, super freaking inspiring.
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So I mean, you're such a do or. You seem to have
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this this ability to not just envision ideas and concepts, but to go out
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and make them create them. So pulling back a little, so, the
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Rising Tide Conference is for who, Yeah, so we are. We've really
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tried to be intentional in this that we're going to be able to speak to
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a wide variety of audiences from your mental health professionals, your counselor social workers
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at LMFTs as well as your educators, your community leaders, your parents at
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para professionals, pastors. Because we've invited a lot of people from a variety
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of different backgrounds. We wanted to really you know, be a very comprehensive
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conference, not just for mental health professionals, because I really think and doctor
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Perry is really starting to speak to this about the mental health crisis that we're
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facing, is that there is such a high need or people who need services
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and there are a few therapists to meet that need that it's not realistic.
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We're gonna we don't have enough hours in the day to act to appropriately meet
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that need. And so in order to really address the needs of those who
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are struggling, we've got to equip other people in the community. We've got
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to equip those teachers, those parents, those caregivers to really start to address
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that so that we can provide the type of services that individuals need. So
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it's for a wide variety of an audience and they're going to learn what skills
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about helping Yeah. Yeah, So we're going to take a look at basic
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brain development doctor Perry's neurosequential process, and then we're going to continue to build
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off of that with our presenters, whether that's our some of our keynote presenters
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are breakout presenters and so we're to me, we have to understand how we
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operate. We have to have a pretty solid foundation of the neurosequential process.
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And then as we're looking at that, then what does that look like in
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the classroom. So strategies for teachers. We've got presenters who have been in
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the classroom, they've been administers principles and now their job is to help equip
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other people. We've got people who've been in clinical settings who are providing direct
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care, So how do you help the client, the family, the family
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system change. We've got people who've been influential in the community and really being
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creative and how they're looking outside the clinical walls to make systemic, systemic change
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in their community so that we can be more proactive instead of reactive to those
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who've experienced trauma. So we're gonna be gaining understanding. We're gonna be taking
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a look at what this, you know, looks like for us, and
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then what do we do. What kind of tools can we put in our
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tool belt that will help us no matter what line of work we do.
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Let's talk just a little bit about the new sequential model, because I think
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maybe a lot of people aren't familiar with that, and then want to talk
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about the guests themselves. But just give us a thumbnail sketch of what is
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doctor Perry talking about when he says the neurosequential model. Yeah, so it's
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talking about how the brain naturally develops from the bottom up and the inside out.
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So starting with the very for the basic brain, sim our survival responses
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that if we are going to help an individual, we've got to help regulate
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that lower part of the brain. And then he talks about how you need
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to relate, So moving up through that process, So first we regulate,
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then we engage the emotional part of the brain, and then we can reason.
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But a lot of us struggle because we jump right to reason when someone's
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disregulated. So he takes a look at how does the brain naturally develop,
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and then how can we engage the brain in the sequential order so that we
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can get a more fully integrated brain that we can help individuals organize the bottom
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parts of the brain so that they can access the more high level thinking parts
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of the brain. He talks about the brain stim which is survival things that
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we don't have to think about. Then the dyan cephalon. The next layer
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up is where am I at in space? And how is space impacting me?
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And then on top of that is the limbic system, the emotional part
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relationship part of our brain, and then the thinking part of our brain,
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the high level problem solving part of our brain. The neurosequential process talks about
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the importance of in engaging the brain in the correct order. We're going to
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start with regulating, providing the basic rhythm for the brain stem that dines cephalon,
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and then we engage emotionally and relationally, and then we get to the
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thinking part. I like to think about it as we work on the foundation
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of the house. We're making sure the bricks are good for the foundation of
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the house before we start to take a look at the roof. So we're
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building in a sequential order so that the brain can one We're engaging it in
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the natural way that it develops, and we're helping them build a more comprehensive
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and more integrated brain, so they're building healthy pathways that engage all parts of
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it. Awesome, awesome art. Just mind everyone. I'm speaking with Michael
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re His Rising Tide conference is happening when October sixth and seventh, Okay,
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and that's online, we're in person. We've got a co host site in
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Milwaukee, Wisconsin. One in Glyndon, Minnesota, and one in Boys Ranch,
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Texas. And then our primary site where we're launching out of is in
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Danville, Illinois. I'm just laughing because, dude, you're doing it all
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right, we'll come back. I'm gonna just pause here a moment to thank
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our sponsors. No, it's just incredible to me, Michael, It's just
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so inspiring. How are you doing all this? So let's talk a little
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bit more about this so people can come, they can access this online.
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Let's talk about how people can access this conference. Yeah, one of the
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things that I know is that in starting my practice, it was tough for
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me to get away. My schedule was busy, and so I knew we
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had to get creative in creating a conference that was affordable and accessible for people
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and that met people's busy schedules and lives. So we have co host sites
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where we can connect with other people, like minded people in an area that's
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closer to us, to cut down on travel costs and you know, time
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away from work and things like that, and build a network there and connect
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that way. And then we also know that people may not be able to
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get the two days off from work, so all of the presentations except for
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Doctor Perry's, are available on demand until December thirty first, So you have
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access to this material to watch it, to rewatch it, and to soak
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it all in, even if you're not able to attend October sixth and seventh,
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because I know that that's really important. I also know that there's times
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when you go to a conference and there's such rich content that you hit to
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hit a point where you're like, Wow, I'm maxed out on what I
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can take in. I need to digest this before I can take anymore.
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That's why the on demand is so important to me, is that I can
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come back to it later and I'm going to learn more, digest it a
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little more, wrestle with that content so that then I can take those things
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and put them in practice at home, you know, my job wherever.
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And so yeah, so we're addressing it. It's affordable, it's successible,
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and it meets the busy lifestyle of everyone. So you said all the other
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presenters were presentations were on demand except Doctor Perry's, So and what does that
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mean specifically? So someone who's interested in hearing him has to be attend that
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day? So he yeat nine o'clock Central Standard time till ten thirty, and
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so if you're attending in person, you need to, you know, make
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sure that you are there for that or virtually you can also watch that,
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but that is the only time that that is available for those who are attending
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at just making sure that you get that nine to ten thirty window blocked off.
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And then we do have because and I didn't share this when I mentioned
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our co host sites. This year, we've added a co host site in
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the Middle East and a co host site in Australia, and they have that
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There's is the Middle East is going to be the thirteenth fourteenth and the Australia
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is the fourteenth fifteenth. And what we're going to do is they are going
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to be able to have access to doctor Perry's during their live presentation as well.
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Wow, no, let's let's can you mention who's gonna be who are
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the presenters? Just give a little brief overview. Yeah, we have six
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keynote presenters. Doctor Bruce Perry, We've got doctor Stephen Porges with the poly
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Bagel Institute, Doctor Melissa Americ, CEO of Prevent Child Abuse America, doctor
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Stuart Abalon with think kids in Harvard Medical School and Master General Hospital. And
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then Alex Keechatani is California Teacher of the Year. And then Ben Zobrist was
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the twenty sixteen World Series MVP and he has really been taking a different approach
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and talking about mental health and being. He's created Champion Forward and how do
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we help kids and those in high pressure situations, how do we navigate that
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stress. So those are our six keynotes, and then we have twenty two
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breakout presenters that are going to dive deeper into a variety of different things.
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From occupational therapy. We have a whole track for occupational therapists that can really
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look at from birth, you know, the full lifespan, what does this
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look like. We have people who are presenters who are talking about what this
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looks like in the community, How do we transform the community, How do
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we create leaders who are not just trauma informed, but are trauma responsive.
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So we've got Tim and Ann from Tim and Grow from well Point at the
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Milwaukee. We've got Michelle Mike Header from the neuro Squinchral Model and cal Farley's
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Emily Hole from Emily Wong from Whole Services in Calgary. We've got on a
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Gomez talking about those complex behaviors and the role that dissociation plays within with clients
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and how do we navigate that. Robin Goebel, she's been on your podcast
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before and she's doing amazing things, and she's gonna be talking about how do
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we address those baffling behaviors. What are the ways that we take a look
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at that. We've got Philip Tedeski, he is with the University of Denver
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and he's gonna be talking about animal assisted therapy. Obviously that's very close and
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near and dear to my heart. And one of the things that's really important
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for us is animal welfare. That animals that we are inviting into this relationship,
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this therapeutic relationship, how do we make sure it's appropriate and okay for
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them, How do we take care of them in the midst of this,
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and that they're not a tool that they're being that we're partnering with. So
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he's gonna talk about that, and then Shell Taylor from Australia, it's gonna
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be can I hold your paw? She does kanine assisted therapy. So there
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are a lot I would encourage people to get out on the website and take
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a look at the lineup of presenters, because I we are like, we
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have a rockstar team. And I'm a little partial because one of the presenters
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is my wife and I think she's an incredible therapist as well, and so
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I can't overlook her. But Gabby rimbay Is is going to be presenting on
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state dependent functioning and how does that impact our relationships as well? The website
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is Rising Tide Conference dot com. We'll have that linked appear at the shows
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page at the Traumatist podcast dot com. So how how would you say this?
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I mean you've mentioned before there there are a lot of conferences out there
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obviously, how does how are you differentiating this? What do you I mean,
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yeah, from the from the others. Yeah, I think one of
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the things that is, you know, conferences that have attended are there,
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there are a lot of theory, you know, talking about a lot of
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things. And then I'm an activator. You mentioned that I like to do
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things, so I love to hear the content and then I need to know
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what's next. I need to know. Okay, you taught me about the
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neurosequential process, but what do I do about it? And that is the
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part that I feel like we've done a really good job of having a pretty
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good solid foundation of neuroscience and trauma and how the trauma impacts us, how
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the trauma that transgenerational trauma, that the impact that it has in our communities
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and all those things. But then what do we do as providers, as
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parents, as teachers? And so we've brought in people who are able to
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provide those practical skills for you and strategies that I think are going to move
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us to the next level. And there are people that aren't just talking theory.
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There are people who are living it and they're seeing the fruit of their
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labor with the clients that they serve, and so I think that's what makes
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us different. I love that. Yeah, it really feels like you're putting
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your providing people with this amazing information, but you're also providing them with,
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as you say, all right, how can I utilize this? How can
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I implement this? Whether you're a parent, whether you're a teacher, whether
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your mental health therapist, whatever, That to me is really exciting. It
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sounds like people are going to be getting this information and also getting information about
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what they can do with this information. Yeah, yeah, I want to
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make sure that people are encouraged, because I think a lot of times in
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this work it can get very discouraging. So hearing you know that there is
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something that we can do, there are things that we can do, and
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I want them to be equipped so that they can go out and make a
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difference. Like you know, we all got into this work because we wanted
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to help people, and it you know, sometimes we lose sight that we
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can get discouraged. And and I'm quite confident that our presenters are going to
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inspire other people to go and make a difference wherever they work, because that's
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what they're doing in their own communities. So this is the third time you
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put the conference on, Yes, how how has this evolved for you?
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The material of the conference? How has your if at all, how has
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your goal with the conference revolved? You know, this was to help Vermillion
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County, This was to help our area. And one of the things that
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I would say is figuring out those pieces that it could be overwhelming to hear
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the content of the neurosequential model and people like oh neuroscience. So mine has
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kind of evolved from making this more accessible, So taking doctor Perry's work and
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then finding the people the practical implement implementation parts of it, making sure that
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they're included in that so that it's you know, it's that good balance for
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people. So I think that's been the biggest thing for this. I also
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recognize the fact that in order for this to be digestible, we've got to
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have it accessible a little bit longer. We can handle little bits and pieces
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here and there, and we're going to be able to come back to it.
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So when we first started launching Rising Tide, it was right before COVID,
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and then COVID had a you know, kind of recked some things,
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but it forced us to get creative and how we were going to provide this.
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And that's the part that I think that has changed. Because my thought
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was it was going to be a two day conference where there was just get
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what you can and good luck and then you know, and now to say
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the on demand part. And then I also there are big change has been
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focusing on community and connections and relationships. You know, we're all about relationships,
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but he didn't even think about the conference being relational as much. And
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then also as you experience the conference, we're integrating the neuro sequential process of
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regulate, relate reason. When we first started, we didn't. We went
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straight to reason. And now we're implementing the neuro sequential process through all the
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things, even visual regulation through the website, music and integrating dance and things
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like that that we're planning to do with the conference. That is part of
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what has evolved because the more I understand the neuro sequential process, the more
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it fits into all the little things in ways that we can provide active and
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passive regulation. It helps us learn better even as adults. And then how
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do we, you know, provide enough stimulation without overstimulating and how do we
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provide that appropriate amount of dosing and doctor Perry talks about So those are some
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of the shifts and changes that we've made along the way and rising tide to
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where it's more accessible, and honestly, I think it's going to be more
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beneficial for those who attend because they can digest the information for a lot longer.
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Really interesting how you've given thought to not just what is within the conference,
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but how it's being presented and even utilizing the Nor's equential model to help
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you present the whole conference. That's really cool. Thanks, So yeah,
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go ahead, go ahead, well, and I think that that that is
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a part of learning this is the more doctor Perry has taught us, the
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more I think we need to be able to experience this, because then that's
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going to better help us as we go to implement it with those around us,
26:57
right right. And you mentioned and you've got these other satellite sites in
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Australia and the Middle East. How did you acquire those? How did you
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into Yeah? So Maha and Shell, who are the two co host sites,
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the leaders there, They have been with me with the NMT cohorts and
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so we've been talking about what this looks like and how we could make this
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accessible over there, and it's been a lot of fun. We've had to
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get pretty creative on how we navigate the time zones and also internet and all
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those good things. But Shell was part of the Rising Tide conference in twenty
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twenty one, and I will tell you there was just this beautiful bit of
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community that took place with Blossom Tree Psychology and the organization that she leads there.
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It was amazing to see how online it because of COVID, hers went
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completely virtual. So we did a presentation and then we had these processing groups
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and to hear the people talk about the processing and what changes, what small
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changes they would make in their in their clinical setting there in their classroom.
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It was amazing and to me, I couldn't help but think we have to
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partner with it again because they inspired me and taught me a lot through the
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process as well. Awesome, awesome, all right, Michael, let's wrap
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up here. So people want to find out more and register, where should
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they go? Yeah, head on over to Rising Tide Conference dot com and
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we have the early bird registration is available till September fifteenth, but tickets are
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still full. Price is one ninety nine and so I you can earn up
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to thirty continuing education units on cpd US multiple licenses that we can offer continue
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ned for for one hundred ninety nine bucks. I don't think that you can
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have this lineup for that kind of price as well. Yeah, awesome,
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awesome, all right man, Well again we'll have all this linked up.
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Michael. You are so freaking inspiring and what you're doing is I mean,
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just it's really incredible, it really is, and just I commend you.
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I love having you on this podcast. You just emanate inspiration and hopefully I'm
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soaking it in. Well, thank you very much. I would say I'm
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inspired and motivated by you as well. So thank you and thank you for
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all the work you're doing for our community. It's an honor to be on
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your podcast. I appreciate that. All right, man, we'll be in
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touch. Thank you.