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The Late Debate | 15 January · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Lateens General, welcome the Late Bay.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and thanks for joining us on the
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Speaker 2: Late Debate James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond
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Speaker 2: coming up. You would have heard celebrities always banging on
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Speaker 2: about how the use of fossil fuels causes natural disasters,
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Speaker 2: you know, like fires. Well, what are we to make
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Speaker 2: of Hollywood celebrities fleeing the fires in la in their
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Speaker 2: private jets. We'll talk about that a little later. Plus,
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Speaker 2: when we look at the papers, rail strike set to
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Speaker 2: cause chaos in Sydney tomorrow as they did today, And
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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty million dollars allocated to fight domestic
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Speaker 2: violence in the Northern Territory is unspent, In fact, worse
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Speaker 2: than unspent. It hasn't even been allocated yet. We'll get
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Speaker 2: to all of that when we look at what's making
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Speaker 2: news tomorrow. But first, have you ever looked at a
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Speaker 2: misbehaving child, someone else's misbehaving child, and thought that kid
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Speaker 2: needs a really good smack. Well a Queensland doctor not
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Speaker 2: only thought it, he did it and was fined five
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Doctor Arthur de Villiers smacked the misbehaving toddler
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Speaker 2: after the two year old ignored repeated requests to stop
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Speaker 2: flicking the lights on and off during a medical appointment. Now,
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Speaker 2: the doctor had requested the boy's mother control the child,
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Speaker 2: but the mother was deaf and by the time the
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Speaker 2: interpreter who was present had communicated the message, well, the
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Speaker 2: doctor had lost his patience. He got up from behind
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Speaker 2: his desk, walked over, picked up the child and gave
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Speaker 2: it a good smack on the bum. Now the child
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Speaker 2: was out of control. That was agreed, and the doctor
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Speaker 2: gave a smack with an open hand on trousers which
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Speaker 2: had a nappy underneath. There was no suggestion the child
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Speaker 2: was hurt other than, of course, the child's pride. But
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Speaker 2: the Queensland Civil and Administrative Administrative Tribunal ruled that the
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Speaker 2: doctor's actions were and I quote completely inappropriate and he
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Speaker 2: should never have acted as he did. There's no doubt.
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Speaker 2: The tribunal said that the little boy's behavior was very
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Speaker 2: challenging and it was completely inappropriate for the respondent to
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Speaker 2: intervene as he did. I got to say, Caleb, Liz,
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Speaker 2: I sympathize with this doctor because I think we've all
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Speaker 2: been to shopping centers. Maybe supermarkets where we've seen out
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Speaker 2: of controlled toddlers throwing tantrums as parents stand there idly.
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Speaker 2: As a parent of two boys, I understand that I
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Speaker 2: never had to teach them to be bad, lying, throwing tantrums.
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Speaker 2: They had that figured out all by themselves. It was
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Speaker 2: my job to teach them to be good. Somehow they
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Speaker 2: didn't know how to do that with a little bit
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Speaker 2: of intervention. It reminds me of a story of a
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Speaker 2: maid of mine. He used to run an organization dealing
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Speaker 2: with delinquent teenagers, and he once told me how he
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Speaker 2: was at a supermarket and this kid was just throwing
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Speaker 2: an absolute mental tantrum, having a meltdown, as mum just
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Speaker 2: stood there sort of, you know, trying to coddle him,
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Speaker 2: unsuccessful gentle, and he watched for about a minute and
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Speaker 2: a half, and then finally he walked over and handed
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Speaker 2: this woman one of his business cards he deals with
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Speaker 2: the link and she looked at him, like, what's this for?
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Speaker 2: And he said, trust me, you'll be calling me in
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Speaker 2: about fifteen years from now. I reckon, instead of finding
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Speaker 2: this got the five thousand dollars, the state government should
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Speaker 2: have given him five thousand dollars for doing his bit
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Speaker 2: to try and head off the crime crisis we're currently
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Speaker 2: seeing across our nation.
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Speaker 3: Or perhaps they should have sentenced the mother to a smack.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the real problem here, right,
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Speaker 3: And you can understand why the doctor who is simply
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Speaker 3: trying to do his job and the kids fiddling with
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Speaker 3: light switches which were near some other important switches in
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Speaker 3: his practice that he did not want touched. He's trying
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Speaker 3: to communicate this to the mother. It was difficult because
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Speaker 3: she's dere I get all of that, but surely as
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Speaker 3: a parent, I mean, you know, I am not a parent,
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Speaker 3: though my girlfriend has two kids, so I've had a
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Speaker 3: bit of experience with young children of late, but I
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Speaker 3: try not to be the parent in that situation for
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Speaker 3: obvious reasons. But I would be horrified as a parent
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Speaker 3: if my child was running a mark in the doctor's
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Speaker 3: surgery while his brother was trying to be attended to
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Speaker 3: by the doctor. I'd be so embarrassed that this is
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Speaker 3: the show my kid was putting on in front of
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Speaker 3: the doctor and others, and I'd have something done about
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Speaker 3: it quick, smart the doctor.
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Speaker 4: Shame the fact that.
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Speaker 3: It got to the point where the doctor himself felt
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Speaker 3: like he had to intervene. I would suggest, mean it's gone,
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Speaker 3: you know, quite a long way down the line, because
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Speaker 3: most people know that in most circumstances, you don't interfere
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Speaker 3: with someone else's child. He's only done that because he
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Speaker 3: was really frustrated and he felt like nothing was being
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Speaker 3: done about it. I totally sympathized with him that five
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars should go into a fund to deal with
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Speaker 3: these delinquent kids.
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Speaker 4: But genuinely bring back shame.
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Speaker 5: I remember the days when do you have your child
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Speaker 5: behaved like that in public? Was the most humiliating experience
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Speaker 5: a person could have, because they knew in society at
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Speaker 5: large understood they were being judged as a result. This
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Speaker 5: is the product of your parenting or lack thereof. I
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Speaker 5: certainly remember when I was a kid, if I had
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Speaker 5: done anything to bring dishonor upon the family, the trip
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Speaker 5: home was the most that you're just sweating bullets because.
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Speaker 4: You know what you're going home to. They have not forgotten.
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Speaker 5: You will be disciplined for what you have done, and
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Speaker 5: everybody you got to reap the benefits though then of
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Speaker 5: well behaved children in public. My parents had seven, so
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Speaker 5: they didn't let us get away with anything. Couldn't afford
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Speaker 5: to have a bad apple in that bunch. It would
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Speaker 5: have become contagious. And let's face it, this guy, for
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Speaker 5: a few seconds.
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Speaker 4: There lived the dream. Like you say, who among us
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Speaker 4: hasn't been in public going.
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Speaker 5: Oh my good Anyone who's babysat my niece's for more
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Speaker 5: than five seconds.
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Speaker 4: Knows the urge to just go oh my goodness.
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Speaker 5: And yet parents these days expect you to just put
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Speaker 5: up with it. You might be at a fence, restaurant,
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Speaker 5: you may be in any number of settings, and they
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Speaker 5: just expect you to suck it up like they do.
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Speaker 5: And you're like, no, actually, this is not what I
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Speaker 5: gave here for all, believe it or not.
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Speaker 2: And of course people will raise the issue of abuse,
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Speaker 2: but all normal functioning people understand the difference between discipline
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Speaker 2: and abuse. And by the way, you just reminded me
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Speaker 2: when my kids were naughty and we'd drive home and
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Speaker 2: I had not yet disciplined them, and they would then
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Speaker 2: they would start asking, Dad, are you going to discipline that?
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Speaker 2: Because they knew when there was a pause between the
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Speaker 2: offense and the discipline, they knew it was going to
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Speaker 2: raise for repacked.
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Speaker 4: Oh was I smacked?
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Speaker 5: My elder brother used to tell everyone, because I'm number
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Speaker 5: three in the bunch of seven, used to tell everyone,
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Speaker 5: you put mine and Anna's buildings together and you get
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Speaker 5: half of Elizabeth's.
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Speaker 4: My mom was debately smacked.
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Speaker 2: My mom had the biggest biceps from all the time
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Speaker 2: she was smacking my mom.
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Speaker 3: It. Yeah, I think I sacrificed a few wooden spoons
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Speaker 3: over made.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, mine, we had pains. I flip
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Speaker 4: Kaynes and look at the backside.
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Speaker 1: We all turned out alright. We're running around in doctors
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Speaker 1: surgeries fiddling with you.
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Speaker 5: All the parents out there with strong worled children, take
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Speaker 5: it from a strong willed child.
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Speaker 4: Hang in there. We turn out okay in the end.
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Speaker 3: Though my mum might now be sending a text message
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Speaker 3: in to say, actually you did fiddle with the switches
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Speaker 3: in the doctor's surgery. I don't remember, and if I did,
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Speaker 3: I'm pleading ignorance on this one. Now you'll remember last
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Speaker 3: year Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi announced that he was going
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Speaker 3: to appoint a special Envoy on anti Semitism.
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Speaker 1: Envoy.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, I should say I've been in trouble for this
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Speaker 3: one before when I've said envoy, the correspondence I get
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Speaker 3: from viewers to remind me that it is envoy, so I.
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Speaker 1: Will relearn it. I am sorry. He said he would appoint.
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Speaker 3: A special Envoy on anti Semitism, but of course at
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Speaker 3: the same time we need a special Envoy on Islamophobia
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Speaker 3: as well, because you know that's just as bad as antisemitism.
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Speaker 3: But whatever, Jillian Siegel was the woman he appointed. Now
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Speaker 3: I said at the time, this is going to do nothing.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister since October seventh, twenty twenty three, has
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Speaker 3: shown little regard for antisemitism in this country. All this
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Speaker 3: really is window dressing. I mean as if he needs
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Speaker 3: to appoint someone on a public salary to tell him
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Speaker 3: that antisemitism is a problem in Australia right now we
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Speaker 3: can all see that. But he's done very little about
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Speaker 3: it during his Prime ministership. So Julian Siegel has now
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Speaker 3: come out and come up with a few suggestions, among
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Speaker 3: them that if you attack a synagogue you should face
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Speaker 3: mandatory minimum sentencing, that meaning you will have to go
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Speaker 3: to jail, and that there ought to be a National
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Speaker 3: Cabinet meeting to discuss antisemitism.
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Speaker 1: Here she was talking to Chris Kenny earlier tonight.
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Speaker 6: Infecting our community with hate and attacking places of worship
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Speaker 6: in particular, but other places in order to intimidate the
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Speaker 6: Jewish community. They should actually result in jail time. We
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Speaker 6: need to make sure as a community that we convey
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Speaker 6: to those bringing prosecutions and those assessing the penalty is
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Speaker 6: how serious this is for the future of our country.
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Speaker 1: Well, what would you know?
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister who appointed someone to tell him what
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Speaker 3: to do about anti Semitism now says, no, I'm not
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Speaker 3: going to do what the person who I appointed to
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Speaker 3: tell me what to do about anti Semitism has told
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Speaker 3: me to do.
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Speaker 1: He was at a press conference today.
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Speaker 7: Well, she spoke with Jillian Siegel, Yes, say a couple
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Speaker 7: of times. So we convene into a meeting yesterday with myself,
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Speaker 7: the Premier of Victoria, the acting Premier of New South Wales,
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Speaker 7: and the AFP Commissioner to coordinate activity. We have Operation
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Speaker 7: Abelite that is in place. What I want is to
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Speaker 7: ensure that any act of anti Semitism.
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Speaker 2: That it stops, that it stops.
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Speaker 7: I want people who are responsible for these acts to
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Speaker 7: be prosecuted fully because they are a crime and people
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Speaker 7: should be held to account with the full force of
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Speaker 7: the law.
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Speaker 3: Now, I think the Prime Minister does actually have a
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Speaker 3: point here, that being that an attack on a synagogue
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Speaker 3: having mandatory minimum sentencing would be an extraordinary move, one
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Speaker 3: that has to be made by the states, not at
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Speaker 3: a federal level, because of course that's where the criminal
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Speaker 3: codes lie. But normally mandatory minimum sentencing is applied to
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Speaker 3: the worst of the worst crimes, things like murder, rape,
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Speaker 3: child abuse, etc. And also, what did national Cabinet ever achieve.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that having another meeting would ever actually
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Speaker 3: do anything. But it proves the point, does it not?
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Speaker 3: That when he appointed a Special Envoy on anti Semitism,
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Speaker 3: it wasn't so that he could actually get any advice
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Speaker 3: that he would ever take any notice of, or that
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Speaker 3: he particularly cared about. He was simply trying to say
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Speaker 3: to the Jewish community, oh look, look, I'm doing something.
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Speaker 1: Now, I'm doing something now.
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Speaker 3: It was always window dressing. He's proved it today. He
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Speaker 3: doesn't want the advisor.
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Speaker 5: To say, though, that he won't take future advice or
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Speaker 5: he hasn't taken past advice. And like you say, he
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Speaker 5: does have a point here.
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Speaker 4: There's the matter of jurisdiction.
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Speaker 5: National counsel would involve obviously all of the premiers.
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Speaker 4: Whereas we know that the hotspots here in.
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Speaker 5: Australia are New South Wales, namely Sydney and Victoria, namely Melbourne.
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Speaker 4: And he was talking to Min's and Allen.
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Speaker 5: Just yesterday, so he really is honing in on those
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Speaker 5: troubled spots. As for mandatory sentencing, I mean this, even
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Speaker 5: for that heinous crimes that you named. There mandatory sentencing.
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Speaker 5: The reason why there isn't many of them is because
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Speaker 5: it's so fraught for the uninitiated. That simply means that
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Speaker 5: the sentence is already decided. So if and when you
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Speaker 5: are convicted of a particular crime, the judge doesn't have
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Speaker 5: much to deliberate over, you get the mandatory sentence regardless
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Speaker 5: of the circumstances.
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Speaker 4: But let's for a second imagine.
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Speaker 5: That we have found the person who's burnt down the
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Speaker 5: synagogue in Melbourne and it turns.
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Speaker 4: Out that they were bribed, they were told that their
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Speaker 4: family would be killed, etc. And so on.
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Speaker 5: So when we're talking about mandatory sentencing, we're talking about
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Speaker 5: an instance in which any of those situations, any other
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Speaker 5: extenuating circumstances are thrown out the window, and someone is
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Speaker 5: simply given a cut, copy paste every single time, the
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Speaker 5: same sentence. And I do think that it would be
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Speaker 5: a curious thing to have a special sentence for the
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Speaker 5: burning down of a synagogue as opposed to somebody's church,
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Speaker 5: somebody's mosque, or any other person's place of worship.
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Speaker 2: I think that what the envoy is trying to say
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Speaker 2: is that there's a distinction between a church being set
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Speaker 2: on fire right now or a mosque as compared to
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Speaker 2: a synagogue. A church fire right now would be an
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Speaker 2: isolated incident. But we've had.
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Speaker 5: That's called knee jerk legislation, and it's always about it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I would say fifteen months of anti Semitic attacks
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Speaker 2: without any action maybe requires a bit of knee jerking,
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Speaker 2: and that must be the.
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Speaker 5: Is the special operation Adelite that he's talked about.
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Speaker 2: And we've had a fire in a mosque. What a
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Speaker 2: month ago they initially said we've got three suspects where
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Speaker 2: afraid they might flee the country. We've heard nothing since
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Speaker 2: nothing has happened. And this is the frustration that must
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Speaker 2: be being felt by the Jewish community. You said mandatory
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Speaker 2: sentencing would be an extraordinary move, agreed, but are we
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Speaker 2: not living in extraordinary times? And as for jurisdiction, well,
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Speaker 2: she said, that's why we need to have a national cabinet.
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Speaker 2: They had a national cabinet meeting about social media, for
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Speaker 2: goodness sake, but won't have one about anti Semitism. This
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Speaker 2: is an insult to the Jewish community if you're going
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Speaker 2: to ignore their advice, and her advice is could we
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Speaker 2: have a discussion from the premiers?
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Speaker 5: So would you if he doesn't take all of the
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Speaker 5: envoyage guys.
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, I'm saying that this advice that she has
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Speaker 2: given is pretty innocuous. Get the premiers together have a
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Speaker 2: national coordinated response to antisemitism so we're all on the
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Speaker 2: same page. That would be the least I reckon that
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Speaker 2: we could do to address a subject that's been allowed
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Speaker 2: to go on and on and on for fifteen months.
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Speaker 2: And while you're at it, talk about mandatory sentencing. And
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Speaker 2: it would be nice if someone got arrested in the
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Speaker 2: first place.
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Speaker 1: But I think I think we're.
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Speaker 5: Rather misakes, which is why National council never works.
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Speaker 4: We saw this during COVID.
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Speaker 2: Even if they have.
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Speaker 5: Their meetings and then they walk away and they say,
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Speaker 5: I've got.
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Speaker 4: My own feet.
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Speaker 2: Say to the Jewish community that social media was important
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Speaker 2: enough to call everybody together, but apparently antisemitism isn't important enough.
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Speaker 4: Why are you sucked the elbow?
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Speaker 5: Isn't changing his tune after all this time?
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Speaker 3: Issunity one weeds here of you know, why is he
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Speaker 3: not doing something now about what the antisemity some invoices
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Speaker 3: he should do. He's failed to do anything for fifteen months.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not going to change now because someone
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Speaker 3: else has told him what to do. We know the
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Speaker 3: stripes of the Prime Minister as if we would expect
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Speaker 3: him to change now. I'm not saying that's right, but
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Speaker 3: but we can jump up and down now and say, oh, well,
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Speaker 3: he hasn't taken the advice.
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Speaker 1: He didn't want the advice.
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Speaker 2: But what I would say is he would have been
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Speaker 2: better off not appointing any anti antisemit because it was token.
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Speaker 2: When he appointed that, it was injury.
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Speaker 1: It was pure token.
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Speaker 5: The applause, much like now sending the Attorney General to
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Speaker 5: Israel and we're all like, oh yeah, golf, clap buddy, amazing.
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Speaker 5: Everyone's convinced you've done a complete one eighty not now
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Speaker 5: to a very important issue that before today I did
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Speaker 5: not even know was a thing. Let's say you are
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Speaker 5: hospitalized here in Australia. You have nothing to do. Like
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Speaker 5: most people who are bed ridden in hosts hospital, you
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Speaker 5: get to stare at the.
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Speaker 4: Ceiling all day, every day.
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Speaker 5: I didn't know you have to pay ten dollars to
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Speaker 5: watch free to air tea V. This story today absolutely
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Speaker 5: rendered my heart hearing people tell these stories of Oh,
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Speaker 5: I went to visit my brother. He's laid up with
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Speaker 5: filling the blank of what he's suffering from. And I
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Speaker 5: asked him, why are you just lying here in silence,
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Speaker 5: staring at the wall, And he said, well, it's ten
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Speaker 5: bucks a day to watch free to air TV and
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Speaker 5: I simply can't afford it, which, of course then the
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Speaker 5: brother went sorted it out paid for it himself. But
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Speaker 5: this is the case across the nation and it's come
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Speaker 5: to our attention thanks to a group in Perth taking
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Speaker 5: this on.
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Speaker 4: They're called the Health Consumer's Council.
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Speaker 5: The article says in eight of the city's metropolitan hospitals.
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Speaker 5: We're talking about Perth in this instance, although it's the
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Speaker 5: same across the nation, access to bedside TV showing free
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Speaker 5: to air channels and a movie channel, but not streaming
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Speaker 5: services is provided by a third party, Hills Health Solutions.
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Speaker 5: The company takes responsibility for the purchase, installation, and maintenance
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Speaker 5: of the TVs and charges patients ten dollars a day
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Speaker 5: or fifty four a week nine dollars per day if
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Speaker 5: you're a cacession card holder. I just find this utterly miserable.
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Speaker 5: And the premiere WA Roger Cook has come out and says, yeah,
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Speaker 5: so I backed this one hundred percent. That people should
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Speaker 5: just be sitting in hospital bored, lonely, probably their mind's
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Speaker 5: full of the tragedy that they are living through, or
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Speaker 5: if they've been through an accident.
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Speaker 4: I mean, do you.
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Speaker 5: Ever need trash TV, which is what freeware TV is.
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Speaker 4: Let's be honest, do.
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Speaker 5: You ever need trash TV more than when you just
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Speaker 5: need to be completely distracted. It gives you a bit
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Speaker 5: of company, It takes your mind off things. And here
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Speaker 5: we have people in hospital beds unable to afford ten
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Speaker 5: bucks a day.
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Speaker 4: Genuinely, this made my blood run coal.
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Speaker 2: I would pay ten dollars a day to not have
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Speaker 2: free to air, making my miserable care in a hospital
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Speaker 2: bed in a hospital, the credit book will be far
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Speaker 2: better off than getting free TV. And at the end
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Speaker 2: of the day, someone's got to pay for it. So
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Speaker 2: if the user is not paying for it, the rest
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Speaker 2: of us pay for it.
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Speaker 4: I just want to pay for with hospital care.
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Speaker 3: You know, it seems a bit miserable, doesn't it to
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Speaker 3: force someone to pay ten dollars a day to watch
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Speaker 3: the garbage that they put on free to air TV.
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Speaker 1: But you know, if you were.
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Speaker 3: In hospital over summer, I'd want to watch the cricket, right,
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Speaker 3: So that's that's especially when you want to tell you.
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Speaker 3: But see, it's fine for any of us three, Right,
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Speaker 3: we'd take in an iPad or our iPhone or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Everyone's and you can stream all this stuff.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: But the people that this affects the most, as is
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Speaker 3: often the case when we talk about these things, whether
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Speaker 3: it's going cash lists, et cetera, is elderly people, right
19:04
Speaker 3: who maybe don't have a device, I don't know how
19:06
Speaker 3: to work a device, they don't have a smartphone whatever,
19:09
Speaker 3: and mere people who are more likely to spend long
19:11
Speaker 3: periods of time in hospital and for the pleasure of
19:14
Speaker 3: being a pensioner.
19:15
Speaker 1: They knock off am easily. One dollar a day the price.
19:24
Speaker 3: Even if I have to pay, because I earn a
19:27
Speaker 3: reasonable some of that whatever, I can copy it. But
19:30
Speaker 3: it's pensioners that I worry about, who might be in
19:33
Speaker 3: hospital for long periods of time and they've got to
19:35
Speaker 3: pony up ten bucks a day to watch the Telly.
19:38
Speaker 1: I mean, just let them have some simple pleasures.
19:40
Speaker 3: They want to watch Jerry Springer, they want to watch
19:43
Speaker 3: doctor film for heaven's sake. You might call it trash TV.
19:47
Speaker 3: I call it Hella vision. But just let them have
19:49
Speaker 3: some joy.
19:50
Speaker 2: In their lives. Imagine the whole working life. Taxes to
19:54
Speaker 2: fund the ABC watch ABC Horrible. Staying on the theme
19:59
Speaker 2: of hospitals, I'll tell you if it's bad in Australia,
20:02
Speaker 2: try a hospital in the UK. Radiographers in UK hospitals
20:07
Speaker 2: have been told to ask men if they might be
20:09
Speaker 2: pregnant before performing X rays. Now this comes about because
20:13
Speaker 2: a transgendered man that's a woman who was identifying as
20:17
Speaker 2: a man, underwent an X ray unaware that she was
20:21
Speaker 2: pregnant at the time, and of course staff never thought
20:24
Speaker 2: to ask because this person was presenting as a man
20:28
Speaker 2: and they didn't want to offend by misgendering the person.
20:32
Speaker 2: So now, in order to avoid that happening again, there
20:36
Speaker 2: are signs. I'll show you the sign when you go
20:38
Speaker 2: for an X ray at NHS hospitals in the UK
20:41
Speaker 2: saying this and I quote, please be aware. All patients
20:45
Speaker 2: aged twelve to fifty five being X rayed will be
20:48
Speaker 2: asked whether there is any chance of them being pregnant,
20:51
Speaker 2: regardless of gender. Now this is not inclusive. This is
20:55
Speaker 2: absolutely insane. More than insane, it's abuse. Imagine asking a
21:01
Speaker 2: twelve year old boy if he might be pregnant before
21:05
Speaker 2: he's given an X ray. If you did that with
21:07
Speaker 2: the parents absent, that is abuse. If you did that
21:10
Speaker 2: with the parent present, you should probably get a punch
21:13
Speaker 2: in the face and it would be well deserved.
21:15
Speaker 1: You find five grand for that, It would be five
21:17
Speaker 1: grand well.
21:18
Speaker 2: Spent for a smack on the bottom of that person's reality.
21:23
Speaker 2: Think about this. You've got vulnerable people, right, they've been
21:26
Speaker 2: denied free to air TV.
21:28
Speaker 5: You can't afford that seven pounds in the UK freaking
21:32
Speaker 5: out about ten days back.
21:34
Speaker 4: Try seven pounds.
21:35
Speaker 2: You're already feeling miserable and vulnerable, and then to add
21:38
Speaker 2: insult to injury before you get an X ray to
21:41
Speaker 2: find out just how bad your situation is. They ask you,
21:44
Speaker 2: as a bloke, do you reckon you might be pregnant? Seriously,
21:47
Speaker 2: if a doctor asked me if I was pregnant before
21:50
Speaker 2: getting an X ray, I would ask if I could
21:52
Speaker 2: have a doctor who was competent to treat me, please.
21:54
Speaker 3: I'd say, Look, I might have put on a few
21:56
Speaker 3: kegs over summer, wiggle of the wine and obecu't.
22:00
Speaker 1: Mean I'm pregnant. Maybe it's a food baby. I don't know.
22:04
Speaker 1: I also want to know. I mean. They say they're
22:05
Speaker 1: only asking patients.
22:06
Speaker 3: Between the ages of twelve and fifty five, presumably because
22:10
Speaker 3: they assume that every woman biological or otherwise, by the
22:14
Speaker 3: age of fifty five has gone through menopause. But what
22:17
Speaker 3: if you haven't gone through menopause by the age of
22:19
Speaker 3: fifty five. They are making assumptions on this side, just
22:22
Speaker 3: as they were previously making assumptions about whether or not
22:25
Speaker 3: you were a female.
22:26
Speaker 1: And I reckon, that's a discretion.
22:27
Speaker 2: Men don't have menopause, so they could still be pregnant.
22:29
Speaker 2: Though the whole thing goes wrong.
22:33
Speaker 1: The one point, do we just use our brains? Right?
22:36
Speaker 3: Like if a transgender man who is actually a woman
22:41
Speaker 3: comes in to see you.
22:42
Speaker 1: Like, unless they've had extraordinary.
22:45
Speaker 3: Surgery, it's probably reasonably obvious that this person is a
22:49
Speaker 3: biological woman.
22:50
Speaker 5: As you are to be obvious, because these days it
22:53
Speaker 5: can be quite confusing. I mean, we've all been there
22:56
Speaker 5: once or twice these days. But we're talking about medical
22:59
Speaker 5: professional to have their medical records. If I'm about to
23:03
Speaker 5: X ray you, surely I know enough about you from
23:07
Speaker 5: your medical forms to know whether or not there is
23:10
Speaker 5: any possibility that you could be pregnant. Maybe they are
23:15
Speaker 5: legitimately doing it just to avoid all liability and to
23:20
Speaker 5: ensure because it's sadly hospitals can't be too careful.
23:23
Speaker 2: That's okay, So why not have a sign that simply says,
23:26
Speaker 2: please notify us if there's a chance you could be pregnant.
23:29
Speaker 5: That would again, that could leave them open to liability.
23:33
Speaker 5: I can easily say, oh, I didn't see that sign,
23:35
Speaker 5: and now you've X rayed me, and yes, I was pregnant.
23:39
Speaker 1: Fair.
23:39
Speaker 5: So they're just like, you know what we are asking
23:43
Speaker 5: every Tom Dick and Harry.
23:45
Speaker 8: Literally literally can you imagine some bulky bricklayer or something
23:50
Speaker 8: going in for some sort of X ray and as
23:53
Speaker 8: they're about you, they're like, you're pregnant.
23:55
Speaker 2: That question would put radiographers in danger. So forget the patient.
24:00
Speaker 2: What about your life alility to protect your staff from
24:03
Speaker 2: angry men.
24:05
Speaker 5: Just imagine some pommy bloke being like, are you ka mate?
24:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, Matte, drop the kids off at the pool this morning.
24:12
Speaker 3: While we're over in the UK, let's talk about Wales. Now,
24:16
Speaker 3: you would have heard recently about the grooming gangs in
24:20
Speaker 3: the UK.
24:21
Speaker 1: Now this dates back more than a decade ago.
24:23
Speaker 3: This odded coming to light in about twenty thirteen, and
24:26
Speaker 3: it had been going on for at least a decade
24:29
Speaker 3: before that, particularly in Rottenham in England, but certainly other
24:35
Speaker 3: parts of the UK as well, where Pakistani in particular
24:39
Speaker 3: grooming gangs were systematically taking and abusing young British girls.
24:45
Speaker 3: So let's fast forward teen years on from that and
24:49
Speaker 3: we are starting to talk about this, or a bit
24:51
Speaker 3: more than ten years on, we're actually starting to talk
24:53
Speaker 3: about this again.
24:53
Speaker 1: It's getting the publicity it deserves.
24:56
Speaker 3: There are suggestions now that there should be an inquiry
24:58
Speaker 3: into this, though of course the Sarma government has k
25:01
Speaker 3: not that on the head and guests who was the
25:03
Speaker 3: DPP at the time and all this was going on.
25:05
Speaker 1: It was Sirkar Starmer.
25:08
Speaker 3: But in twenty twenty three a school in Wales twelve
25:13
Speaker 3: year old girls we're talking about here, put together a
25:16
Speaker 3: video encouraging refugees to come to Wales and saying you
25:20
Speaker 3: will be well treated here, etc. That was then shared
25:25
Speaker 3: by the Welsh Refugee Council. Now this has come back
25:29
Speaker 3: to light in recent days after there has been more
25:32
Speaker 3: publicity about what happened ten odd years ago and all
25:35
Speaker 3: the years before that. But you have to ask the question,
25:39
Speaker 3: what on earth was this school thinking and what was
25:41
Speaker 3: the wealth the Welsh Sorry Refugee Council thinking when a
25:46
Speaker 3: year ago, just a decade after Pakistani men had been
25:50
Speaker 3: found to be systematically abusing girls of about this age,
25:55
Speaker 3: What were they thinking putting out a video saying come
25:58
Speaker 3: to Wales, We're going to treat you well.
26:00
Speaker 1: Take a look.
26:02
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to ours. We understand being a refugee
26:06
Speaker 2: isn't easy. They go through so much cleaning.
26:08
Speaker 3: Your country is difficult for Wales as to help you
26:11
Speaker 3: feel welcome.
26:12
Speaker 5: As a nation of country who welcome anyone and everyone.
26:16
Speaker 4: We recognize your skills and talent.
26:18
Speaker 2: Not only that, but Whales office free education unhealthy.
26:22
Speaker 3: We understand that you're feel a lot and that is
26:24
Speaker 3: why the Wild Refugee Council is here to help you.
26:28
Speaker 3: I mean it's almost like they're enticing these men to
26:30
Speaker 3: come to Wales. Look what you can have here. Chris Philp,
26:33
Speaker 3: the UK Shadow Home Secretary, said it was deeply irresponsible
26:37
Speaker 3: for the Welsh Refugee Council to share a video featuring
26:40
Speaker 3: only young girls in the first place, especially in light
26:43
Speaker 3: of the long standing grooming gang's scandal. I mean, you
26:48
Speaker 3: look at that now. I can't believe they didn't look
26:49
Speaker 3: at it then and what the elder but you look
26:52
Speaker 3: at that now and go, honestly, who ever thought that
26:56
Speaker 3: was a good idea?
26:57
Speaker 2: We should point out we blurred the girls, correct, The
27:00
Speaker 2: Welsh Refugee Council did not. This is wrong on two levels. Firstly,
27:04
Speaker 2: while we involving twelve year old girls in the immigration debate,
27:08
Speaker 2: what does a twelve year old kid have to say
27:10
Speaker 2: of value about all the nuances of immigration policy. And second,
27:16
Speaker 2: of course for the Welsh Refugee Council to share that
27:20
Speaker 2: video and they said, oh we weren't promoting you know,
27:23
Speaker 2: for refugees to come. We just thought it was nice
27:25
Speaker 2: that they had said something about the Refugee Council. Well,
27:27
Speaker 2: that's absolute rubbish. They knew exactly what they were doing.
27:31
Speaker 2: It's wrong. The school took it down after they realized
27:34
Speaker 2: the Refugee Council should never have done that. And now
27:37
Speaker 2: Kirs Starmer is saying that this video, it's been shared
27:41
Speaker 2: by Elon Musk, he's promoted it, and Kios Starmer says
27:44
Speaker 2: it's more right wing.
27:45
Speaker 4: You know.
27:48
Speaker 2: What's the word I'm looking for, ohsterio, the right hysteria.
27:53
Speaker 2: It's highlight highlighting one of the greatest failures in the
27:57
Speaker 2: history of England, at which he was at the forefront
28:00
Speaker 2: of it. No wonder he doesn't like this video now resurfacing.
28:03
Speaker 5: There are genuinely no words. We would not be allowed
28:08
Speaker 5: to share the words that judges have uttered regarding these
28:12
Speaker 5: particular cases describing what was done to the girls in England,
28:19
Speaker 5: especially in certain parts like Rotterdam. Like you mentioned, it
28:22
Speaker 5: is unspeakable. It is beyond animalistic, it is demonic.
28:27
Speaker 4: It is disgusting.
28:30
Speaker 5: And the fact that anyone thought this was a good idea.
28:34
Speaker 5: I often say that negligence, this bad doesn't exist. This
28:41
Speaker 5: is when I start looking at was this deliberate? Because
28:45
Speaker 5: for crying out loud, you're telling me no one at
28:49
Speaker 5: the Welsh Refugee Council thought, oh actually this isn't This
28:54
Speaker 5: isn't going to fly.
28:55
Speaker 4: This is very distasteful.
28:57
Speaker 5: Even if you didn't have the background of what's been
29:01
Speaker 5: happening over the last decade or so, even if that
29:04
Speaker 5: wasn't there, this is extremely unwise, Like you say, to
29:08
Speaker 5: involve children in essentially talking about something that they have
29:11
Speaker 5: absolutely no idea what they're saying, using them as political pawns.
29:16
Speaker 5: You do wonder where their parents were. My goodness, I'd
29:19
Speaker 5: want these people's guts for garters back home to Australia now,
29:23
Speaker 5: where citizenship test failure rates have been revealed.
29:28
Speaker 4: For last year in twenty twenty.
29:31
Speaker 5: Four, as migration and social cohesion shape up to be
29:36
Speaker 5: key battle grounds at the next election, the Herald Son
29:39
Speaker 5: can reveal that while more than one hundred and eighty
29:41
Speaker 5: three thousand citizenship tests were taken last year, only one
29:46
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty two thousand people pass.
29:49
Speaker 4: The Opposition, which.
29:51
Speaker 5: Has previously acclused accused Labor of neglecting to teach new
29:55
Speaker 5: citizens what it means to be Australian, says the new
29:58
Speaker 5: data is of deep concern.
30:01
Speaker 4: What's of deep.
30:02
Speaker 5: Concern to me is that you are already living here. Okay,
30:07
Speaker 5: you're not visiting. You are living here. You have emigrated here.
30:11
Speaker 5: Now you're applying for citizenship, which means that you've been
30:14
Speaker 5: here for quite some years already. And you can't pass
30:19
Speaker 5: a twenty question multi choice.
30:22
Speaker 4: So you've got the answer in front of you.
30:24
Speaker 5: You just have to pick out of three choices which
30:27
Speaker 5: is the right answer. You can't pass that test.
30:31
Speaker 4: You're allowed to get a quarter of.
30:33
Speaker 5: Them wrong and still pass any more of that than
30:37
Speaker 5: you've failed. Then if you fail, you get to come
30:39
Speaker 5: back three more times and just.
30:41
Speaker 4: Try it on again.
30:42
Speaker 5: I find it disturbing that the failure rates of this high,
30:46
Speaker 5: simply because we're talking about people who already live here
30:50
Speaker 5: and haven't even cared enough about their new home country
30:55
Speaker 5: and the culture and the people therein to learn basic
30:59
Speaker 5: stuff like what's the capital of Australia.
31:01
Speaker 1: Well, there's two important points here.
31:04
Speaker 3: One of them is that the failure rate went through
31:07
Speaker 3: the roof after twenty twenty, when the Morrison government put
31:11
Speaker 3: in questions about Australian values, Right, that's the hurdle that
31:15
Speaker 3: they're falling down at. So these people are being asked
31:18
Speaker 3: what are Australian values and they can't tell you this.
31:21
Speaker 2: It's like a freedom of speech, the mocracy, these kinds of.
31:24
Speaker 1: That is extremely traveling.
31:26
Speaker 3: And the largest failures were people on humanitarian visas, those
31:31
Speaker 3: who should be the most grateful that Australia has given
31:35
Speaker 3: them the opportunity not only to live somewhere safer and
31:38
Speaker 3: have another go at their life, but now a shot
31:40
Speaker 3: at actually being an Australian, and these are the people
31:44
Speaker 3: who fail most often. It makes a mockery of what
31:47
Speaker 3: we have offered them.
31:48
Speaker 2: But the mockery really is the people have put together
31:50
Speaker 2: this test. I mean one of the questions that we're
31:53
Speaker 2: currently asking people who want to be citizens of this country.
31:56
Speaker 2: We're asking them who is authorized to perform a welcome country.
32:01
Speaker 2: That now, apparently is the very important thing to know
32:03
Speaker 2: if you're going to be a citizen. What a lot
32:06
Speaker 2: of a rubbish. That's the last thing we need them
32:08
Speaker 2: to worry about. But a government spokesperson who was talking
32:11
Speaker 2: about the high failure rate said that it's very important
32:14
Speaker 2: that those doing the tests are given a fair go
32:17
Speaker 2: and that the test one of the Australian values and
32:19
Speaker 2: that the test does not quote create barriers to citizenship.
32:23
Speaker 2: I would have thought the purpose of the test was
32:26
Speaker 2: to create barriers, barrier out understand our values. The Refugee
32:32
Speaker 2: Council of Australia was just recently lobbying for the test
32:35
Speaker 2: to be offered in languages other than English. Is a
32:39
Speaker 2: little bit sort of counter productive, but there you go.
32:42
Speaker 2: That's the state of our country under the current government.
32:46
Speaker 2: I want to talk about an interesting decision by Cole's
32:48
Speaker 2: Supermarkets in light of a horrific attack on one of
32:52
Speaker 2: their staff members in Ipswich, Queensland on Monday. A sixty
32:56
Speaker 2: three year old staff member was stocking the shelves when
32:59
Speaker 2: a third teen year old boy grabbed a knife that
33:02
Speaker 2: was on the shelf for sale and stabbed her in
33:06
Speaker 2: the back allegedly. Allegedly. She is now in hospital, allegedly
33:11
Speaker 2: recovering alleged, but the kids being charged.
33:15
Speaker 1: The kids being charged, we have he's alleged that he's committed.
33:17
Speaker 2: This was pretty clear what happened. Knife didn't end up
33:20
Speaker 2: there by accident. As a strong as a response to this,
33:26
Speaker 2: alleged incident, Coles have now made the decision they will
33:29
Speaker 2: not stock kitchen knives at all. I would argue that
33:33
Speaker 2: while this is a horrific attack, it's also incredibly incredibly rare.
33:39
Speaker 2: It seems to me, and I don't want to sound heartless,
33:42
Speaker 2: but it does seem like a bit of an overreaction
33:44
Speaker 2: to now say we will not sell kitchen knives at all.
33:47
Speaker 2: It means your average Ozsie has got to find a
33:49
Speaker 2: specialist knife shop to buy basic kitchen utensils. And it
33:54
Speaker 2: begs the question what sort of security now do knife
33:56
Speaker 2: shops overreaction.
33:59
Speaker 5: Or if they behind the counter with smokes or something
34:03
Speaker 5: something like that where you can be seen to do
34:05
Speaker 5: something to respond to the incident.
34:08
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a massive overreaction.
34:11
Speaker 5: Especially because if you shop.
34:13
Speaker 4: At Cole's, browsers are down.
34:14
Speaker 5: If you're want of those people they have recently, like
34:19
Speaker 5: literally they are locking up their smeag knives that you
34:23
Speaker 5: were in line to get as loyal customers that were
34:25
Speaker 5: literally handing out free knives, and now they're chucking them
34:30
Speaker 5: out by the bus load. This is utter nonsense, and
34:34
Speaker 5: they could have managed this so much more easily by
34:36
Speaker 5: being like, hey, if you want to buy knives, they're
34:39
Speaker 5: in this cabinet, you have to go up to the
34:42
Speaker 5: customer service desk. I mean, not many people are buying
34:45
Speaker 5: knives on a daily average, so it's not like.
34:47
Speaker 4: They're going to be like, oh, the desk can't handle it.
34:50
Speaker 4: That would have been perfectly fine.
34:52
Speaker 2: The other thing that annoys me with stuff like this
34:53
Speaker 2: is we all know it's just much easy to say, well,
34:56
Speaker 2: we just won't stop knives, and they have a conversation
34:58
Speaker 2: about what the hell is wrong? Yes, with our culture
35:00
Speaker 2: where we've got thirteen year old kids stabbing strangers in
35:03
Speaker 2: the back in the middle of a Coles supermarket, that
35:06
Speaker 2: is a conversation we should be having, but no one
35:09
Speaker 2: wants to have it, much less should you smack your children.
35:11
Speaker 2: Let's put all of that together. There's something we don't
35:13
Speaker 2: want to talk about, so instead let's just hide the knife.
35:16
Speaker 3: Well is brought up earlier the idea of knee jerk policy, right,
35:20
Speaker 3: and this is the ultimate example of kneejerk policy.
35:23
Speaker 1: Now I've written about this for news.
35:25
Speaker 3: Dot com dot Au you can read it tomorrow, an
35:28
Speaker 3: excellent column. But I'll tell you all the stuff that
35:30
Speaker 3: I'm going to write in it anyway, but I suggest
35:32
Speaker 3: you do go and read it nevertheless.
35:33
Speaker 1: But the thing that annoys me about this is.
35:35
Speaker 3: You know, I get that Cole's wants to be seen
35:38
Speaker 3: to be doing something. Just as last year when we
35:41
Speaker 3: had a spate of knife incidents in New South Wales,
35:44
Speaker 3: the Men's government wanted to be seen to be doing something,
35:47
Speaker 3: so they brought in these laws that meant that you
35:50
Speaker 3: could be searched for a knife at a place where
35:53
Speaker 3: there had been another knife incident without a warranty.
35:57
Speaker 4: US.
35:58
Speaker 3: It doesn't do anything to stop knife I mean, if
36:01
Speaker 3: a thirteen year old kid wants to stab someone, they
36:04
Speaker 3: can get a kitchen knife from any house in the
36:07
Speaker 3: country or any workplace in the country. We're not talking
36:10
Speaker 3: about something that is hard to get your hands on.
36:13
Speaker 3: A kitchen knife is not designed to be a weapon.
36:15
Speaker 3: It's designed to do a job in the same way
36:17
Speaker 3: that a car is not designed to be a weapon,
36:20
Speaker 3: but it is also incredibly dangerous and kills thousands of people.
36:24
Speaker 3: Get cars at a supermarket, well no, but you can
36:26
Speaker 3: get a car at a car dealership. But you wouldn't say, oh,
36:28
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sell that because we've had an
36:30
Speaker 3: incident with a car right.
36:32
Speaker 1: And the problem here is so often we say.
36:34
Speaker 3: Look, okay, we'll give up a little bit of liberty
36:37
Speaker 3: in order to make people safer, until one day we
36:40
Speaker 3: will wake up having given away every bit of liberty
36:43
Speaker 3: we have to achieve ultimate safety, and we still won't
36:46
Speaker 3: be safe. Then that's what annoys me about this. It
36:49
Speaker 3: doesn't actually fix anything. It doesn't stop knife crime. And
36:52
Speaker 3: by the way, knife crime in New South Wales anyway
36:56
Speaker 3: is lower than it was ten years ago, lower than
36:58
Speaker 3: it was twenty years ago. We don't have a big
37:01
Speaker 3: problem with knife crime. We have a problem with youth crime.
37:04
Speaker 3: And you don't treat that by banning the sale of kitchen.
37:08
Speaker 2: You know, after that our apply be in America. I'm
37:12
Speaker 2: rushing out to buy the paper to Maria, real that
37:14
Speaker 2: that was very very good. Speaking of papers. Will be
37:16
Speaker 2: back in just a moment with what's making news in
37:18
Speaker 2: tomorrow's papers? Stick around, welcome back. Let's take a look
37:24
Speaker 2: at what's making news in tomorrow's papers. Caleb, you've got
37:26
Speaker 2: the Australian some great stories on tomorrow's front paper.
37:29
Speaker 3: They certainly are hardly a chain saw is the headline
37:32
Speaker 3: lives guardrails no guarantee of fiscal prudence, and this one's
37:36
Speaker 3: a ripper. The coalition self imposed expenditure limits would allow
37:40
Speaker 3: for higher spending than what is being for us by labor,
37:44
Speaker 3: prompting economists to accuse Angus Taylor of failing to outline
37:47
Speaker 3: a credible pathway towards a lower spending and lower taxing
37:51
Speaker 3: future if there is a change in government.
37:53
Speaker 1: So The Australian has.
37:54
Speaker 3: Done some analysis of the numbers that the Coalition have
37:57
Speaker 3: put together and found that they would permit sixteen point
38:01
Speaker 3: eight billion dollars more spending than what was forecast by
38:05
Speaker 3: the Albanese government in December.
38:08
Speaker 1: I think you couldn't script this stuff.
38:10
Speaker 5: And Albo's literally out there saying they're going to take
38:13
Speaker 5: a sledgehammer, They're going to take a chain sawter services.
38:17
Speaker 5: You guys are going to be living in caves. Now
38:20
Speaker 5: that's my paraphrase, but basically threatening people saying, you know,
38:24
Speaker 5: the quality of service with a.
38:26
Speaker 4: Health, education, you name it.
38:27
Speaker 5: These guys are going to absolutely slash It's simply not true.
38:34
Speaker 2: More well, I mean, it doesn't mean that they're going
38:36
Speaker 2: to spend that extra sixteen billion dollars more than the
38:39
Speaker 2: government at spend if re elected. But it does mean
38:42
Speaker 2: they can make some mockrob they have promised. I mean,
38:44
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, you give some flexibility.
38:47
Speaker 4: We all love a bit of flat you know.
38:50
Speaker 3: I just love to see and then you know, I
38:52
Speaker 3: hate to praise the guy given his latter day pursuits,
38:56
Speaker 3: but you know the days of Bob Hawk and Paul
38:59
Speaker 3: Keating as a treasurer, who in their day Keating as
39:03
Speaker 3: a treasurer and later as a Prime minister, who were
39:06
Speaker 3: unafraid to pursue economic reform, who were unafraid to shake
39:11
Speaker 3: things up and say no, this is what I mean.
39:13
Speaker 3: The reformer was instituted by labor governments that you wouldn't
39:17
Speaker 3: get from any labor government.
39:18
Speaker 1: Today. I just everyone seems.
39:20
Speaker 3: Afraid to actually say, yes, we're going to have major
39:23
Speaker 3: tax reform, We're going to have major spending reform. We're
39:26
Speaker 3: going to change the way the government works in this country.
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Speaker 1: No one has the balls to do.
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Speaker 2: It any You're saying free everything is not a reform.
39:33
Speaker 1: Oh well, funny about that.
39:34
Speaker 2: I thought it was an economic refer in the way our.
39:36
Speaker 1: Government good way to get votes, isn't it.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: The story on the front of the elves tomorrow. This
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Speaker 3: one is truly extraordinary.
39:42
Speaker 1: Judge Lash's egregious breach.
39:44
Speaker 3: A district court judge has lashed a decision by Western
39:47
Speaker 3: Australian minister Don Punch to return awarded the state into
39:51
Speaker 3: the home of a child sex predator as utterly extraordinary
39:56
Speaker 3: and suggested the state rethink fighting a sex abuse compensation
40:00
Speaker 3: against it. Mister Punch was in a senior role with
40:02
Speaker 3: the Department of Communities in nineteen ninety eight when he
40:05
Speaker 3: helped return an eighty year old to his mother and
40:08
Speaker 3: her de facto partner. Now, this is far from the
40:12
Speaker 3: only example of these things across the country. I mean,
40:16
Speaker 3: this is just one case in Western Australia. But if
40:19
Speaker 3: you want to delve into the foster system, there are
40:21
Speaker 3: so many stories I've heard I could tell you about
40:23
Speaker 3: that will make your skin crawl. But it's amazing to
40:27
Speaker 3: think that the government would now try to defend itself
40:31
Speaker 3: against that.
40:32
Speaker 1: Just put your hands out and say, yep, that was bad. Well.
40:35
Speaker 2: The admission came during a court case. The boy who
40:40
Speaker 2: now I guess older, who has allegedly been abused, is
40:44
Speaker 2: claiming not just the de facto but other members of
40:47
Speaker 2: the family also abused him and is blaming the government
40:50
Speaker 2: for it. So the government have admitted that, on the
40:54
Speaker 2: balance of probabilities, they knew the de facto was abusing
40:57
Speaker 2: this boy, and yet they return him to the de facto. Anyway,
41:01
Speaker 2: what the government are disagreeing with is that other members
41:04
Speaker 2: of the family were abusing and that they knew about that.
41:07
Speaker 2: The point that's being made by the judge is, well,
41:10
Speaker 2: if you're going to admit you knew about the de facto, indeed,
41:12
Speaker 2: are you seriously going to continue with this court case?
41:14
Speaker 2: Why don't you just stop now while you're ahead, pay
41:17
Speaker 2: whatever compensation is due, and let this kid not have
41:21
Speaker 2: to give evidence. He's been violated enough, not just by terrible,
41:26
Speaker 2: evil people, but by the government themselves in pursuing this
41:29
Speaker 2: court case.
41:29
Speaker 5: One hundred percent, they don't have a leg to stand on.
41:32
Speaker 5: By the sounds and whenever a hear of a case
41:34
Speaker 5: like this, this is something that tax payers would be
41:37
Speaker 5: more than happy for the government to fit the bill for.
41:40
Speaker 1: Just own up.
41:41
Speaker 4: It is your fault.
41:42
Speaker 5: Oh I just well, these kind of cases just they
41:47
Speaker 5: boggle the mind that that could ever happen.
41:51
Speaker 4: And yet here we are.
41:52
Speaker 3: Just going on a lighter angle. Another story on the
41:54
Speaker 3: front of the Ears tomorrow. This one is hilarious. I
41:58
Speaker 3: have to say in the top right hand call of
42:00
Speaker 3: the paper that you'll see it's his wife band India's
42:03
Speaker 3: response to Ossie tour drubbing.
42:06
Speaker 1: And of course you would know that.
42:08
Speaker 3: The Indians came out here to play against Australia in
42:11
Speaker 3: the Test.
42:11
Speaker 1: Series the Border Gabasca.
42:12
Speaker 3: Trophy and we demolished them and rightly so, getting the
42:16
Speaker 3: trophy back for the first time in a decade. But
42:20
Speaker 3: India has now said the BCCI, which runs Indian Cricket
42:24
Speaker 3: and also runs World Cricket, but we don't.
42:27
Speaker 1: Talk about that. But they have said that the wives.
42:30
Speaker 3: And partners of the players now because you know they
42:34
Speaker 3: think they played badly in Australia, that they must have
42:36
Speaker 3: been a distraction.
42:37
Speaker 1: That was the problem. That's what caused.
42:39
Speaker 2: It wasn't that catching.
42:42
Speaker 3: It wasn't the fact that the women, wasn't the fact
42:43
Speaker 3: that Virat Cooley should have retired a year ago and
42:47
Speaker 3: that the captain should have retired a year ago, hence
42:49
Speaker 3: why he didn't play in the last match. But they've
42:52
Speaker 3: now said that wives and partners will only be able
42:55
Speaker 3: to join for two weeks on six week tours and
42:58
Speaker 3: one week on shorter tours. That's what's going to turn
43:01
Speaker 3: the Indian cricket team around, is to deprive them of
43:05
Speaker 3: access to their wives and parties.
43:07
Speaker 2: Call this one up, all right, let's go to the
43:10
Speaker 2: front page of the Daily Telegraph. Obviously, people in Sydney
43:14
Speaker 2: suffering today badly with trained strikes that's set to continue tomorrow.
43:19
Speaker 2: The headline says commuter fury over one thousand canceled trains
43:23
Speaker 2: as strikes stop Sydney dead in its tracks. It's getting ridiculous.
43:27
Speaker 2: The article reads commuters will abandon the CBD and their
43:30
Speaker 2: workplaces today. That's speaking, of course, of Thursday, after rail
43:35
Speaker 2: strikes caused a thousand train cancelations and a complete meltdown
43:38
Speaker 2: of the system. Crammed carriages sat still for hours, infuriating
43:43
Speaker 2: commuters as the union boss at the center of a
43:45
Speaker 2: bit of wage fight with the state government sensationally claimed
43:48
Speaker 2: he had the support of the public. I'm not about that.
43:52
Speaker 2: I got to say that is a sensational lane, quite presumptuous.
43:57
Speaker 2: They've just knocked back a fifteen percent. I'm not sure
44:01
Speaker 2: about the support of the public. One train today, Liz
44:04
Speaker 2: was running at this you know how late it was.
44:06
Speaker 2: It was eight hours late. When your train is eight.
44:09
Speaker 5: Hours nobody's waiting, nobody waiting.
44:12
Speaker 2: And Uber chargers just you know how Uber surge is
44:15
Speaker 2: at periods. Yes, De Mardin, of course you were trying
44:17
Speaker 2: to get an Uber in the Sydney CBD today. You
44:21
Speaker 2: were paying an absolute fortune.
44:23
Speaker 3: The union needs to be absolutely reamed over this like
44:26
Speaker 3: it is a disgrace and to think that they would
44:27
Speaker 3: have the support of the public after that.
44:29
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Uber.
44:30
Speaker 3: I saw in all the like Facebook community groups today
44:33
Speaker 3: people are like, are you trying to go home?
44:35
Speaker 1: Can we share an Uber? Because it was so expensive?
44:39
Speaker 5: Friends will be made over this to the front page
44:41
Speaker 5: of the Northern Territory News now dv cash stuck in
44:45
Speaker 5: limbo promised one hundred and eighty million dollars you have.
44:49
Speaker 4: To be allocated.
44:50
Speaker 5: The CLP has been accused of backtracking from a critical
44:53
Speaker 5: domestic violence funding promise and playing politics with WI women's
44:58
Speaker 5: and children's lives. We don't have access to the full
45:02
Speaker 5: article yet, but we know the Northern Territory has the
45:05
Speaker 5: worst domestic violet rates in the nation, with intimate partner
45:10
Speaker 5: homicides seven times the national average. Why on earth would
45:17
Speaker 5: you hold up something like this. The government has some
45:21
Speaker 5: serious answers to give.
45:23
Speaker 2: This is typical of our politicians now, and they do
45:25
Speaker 2: it on all sides. They make an announcement and then
45:27
Speaker 2: think they've done their job. They tell you how much
45:29
Speaker 2: money's been allocated. Then they walk away and forget all
45:32
Speaker 2: about it.
45:33
Speaker 4: And they don't forget.
45:34
Speaker 2: It's not a fix, It doesn't change anything. You've actually
45:36
Speaker 2: got to follow through. There's a distinct lack of that.
45:39
Speaker 1: But how hard can it be? I mean, you've got
45:41
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty million.
45:42
Speaker 3: That's a sizeable sum of money to deal with what
45:45
Speaker 3: is a sizeable problem. And it won't even touch the sides,
45:48
Speaker 3: to be perfectly honest, But you've got that money sitting there.
45:52
Speaker 3: How can you not do something with it? I mean,
45:55
Speaker 3: you know, we talk about what's going on in our
45:57
Speaker 3: springs all the time. Sometimes I think if we weren't
46:00
Speaker 3: talking about it, no one would talk about it. This
46:02
Speaker 3: is what people are living through every day.
46:05
Speaker 1: One hundred and eighty million dollars is sitting there. Just
46:08
Speaker 1: get the hell on with it.
46:09
Speaker 3: Ye.
46:09
Speaker 2: Indeed, we're going to go to a break when we
46:11
Speaker 2: come back a celebrities are always telling us that fossil
46:14
Speaker 2: fuels cause natural disasters. So why are celebrities fleeing the
46:18
Speaker 2: La fires in private jets. It's coming up in just
46:21
Speaker 2: a moment. Welcome back, well, celebrity hypocrisy, You say, surely
46:26
Speaker 2: there can't be such a thing, Caleb, Oh.
46:29
Speaker 1: Never heard of it, But I'm about to tell you
46:30
Speaker 1: about it. Though.
46:31
Speaker 3: Leonardo DiCaprio, who would you believe it, in twenty fourteen,
46:35
Speaker 3: was able to get this right.
46:36
Speaker 1: He was a messenger of peace.
46:38
Speaker 3: To the UN on climate change. For heaven's sake, you
46:41
Speaker 3: would have seen these wildfires going on in La at
46:44
Speaker 3: the moment. They've basically raised the Pacific Palisades, and lots
46:48
Speaker 3: of celebrities, including Megan Markle, have been out there on
46:52
Speaker 3: the ground hugging people or more importantly, donating money to
46:56
Speaker 3: help people who've been affected by these fires. Not Leonardo Decao,
47:00
Speaker 3: the man who has lectured us on climate change, and
47:03
Speaker 3: of course we are told that these fires are at
47:05
Speaker 3: least in part caused by climate change.
47:07
Speaker 1: What did he do about it?
47:09
Speaker 3: He got on a private jet, packed on his wife
47:11
Speaker 3: and her family and flew to Mexico.
47:13
Speaker 1: Because that is exactly what you do when you.
47:16
Speaker 3: See fires caused by climate change, you make the situation
47:20
Speaker 3: just a little bit worse.
47:22
Speaker 1: I mean, you know they can talk the talk. Where
47:25
Speaker 1: are we going to see these people walk the walk?
47:27
Speaker 3: The elites once again telling us how to live our
47:30
Speaker 3: lives while people suffer in la He says, bugger, you
47:34
Speaker 3: got mine.
47:36
Speaker 1: It's just typical.
47:38
Speaker 2: I agree. Now, let's talk about pizza for a moment.
47:40
Speaker 2: Everyone watching at home. If you're a smart person and
47:42
Speaker 2: I know who you are, you like barbecue meat lovers.
47:45
Speaker 2: It's the only way to have pizza, and all the
47:48
Speaker 2: important people that.
47:49
Speaker 1: What about a pepperoni?
47:50
Speaker 2: True pepperoni is fine Hawaiian? Hawaiian that divides people. There's
47:55
Speaker 2: a pizza store in the UK. They sell their pizzas
47:58
Speaker 2: from between ten and seventeen pairs. But if you want
48:01
Speaker 2: to buy a Hawaiian, they're going to charge you one
48:03
Speaker 2: hundred pounds for the privilege. They call it a tropical menace,
48:08
Speaker 2: and so they're charging one hundred pounds as a way
48:10
Speaker 2: of trying to deter people from ordering this. On the
48:14
Speaker 2: menu they've written get this Hawaiian. Yeah, for one hundred
48:17
Speaker 2: pounds you can have it. Order the Champagne to go
48:20
Speaker 2: on your monster one hundred pounds. Now they say they
48:23
Speaker 2: haven't had any orders yet. Funny about it, but I reckon,
48:26
Speaker 2: if you're stupid enough to like, stupid enough to pay pizza,
48:33
Speaker 2: not just for the prize, but once you've seen.
48:35
Speaker 5: That visual that's you most discussed.
48:38
Speaker 2: Wouldn't he take it?
48:39
Speaker 3: When the moon eats a eye like a big pizza pie,
48:42
Speaker 3: that's more money you've got to pay for it.
48:44
Speaker 2: I got to say I don't mind it, to be honest.
48:46
Speaker 3: Well, you know I'll eat it if it's in front
48:48
Speaker 3: of me. I know the purists will say you can't
48:50
Speaker 3: do that. But the thing I judge Italian restaurants on
48:53
Speaker 3: is if I go into a restaurant and they've got
48:55
Speaker 3: cream in the carbonara, I won't touch it. Cream does
48:59
Speaker 3: not belong in carbon and more important than pineapple on pizza.
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Speaker 2: I reckon, There you go, well, we're hungry, we're gonna
49:04
Speaker 2: go get something to eat, but you stay in front
49:05
Speaker 2: of your TV. Read A penny is up in just
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Speaker 2: a moment